The question then is who, back in the period it was presumably forged, was the sculptor who created it? He/she was clearly an exceptional artist in their own right.
It would have been somebody in the expedition who was there when they discovered the architectural ruins. They made it on site out of original ancient artists materials recovered from one of the buildings, which was presumably an artists studio. Yes, any classically trained fine artist could have done such a forgery. Nefertiti has very tenuous provenance, at best.
It looks like it meets a modern standard of beauty, which would make me think it’s a fake, but its features are similar to other, less well-preserved depictions of the queen, so that’s not determinative. I think it comes down to its state of preservation. It just defies belief. I have no idea if it’s authentic, and it very well might be, but I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if it isn’t.
The narrator repeatedly refers to the discoveries of Borchardt as "spoils". That is a deliberately misleading word. The word 'spoils' is most commonly used to refer to the goods stolen in war. There is no scientific nor scholarly reason to refer to the discoveries of archeological digs as spoils. The German archeologist was there in Egypt legally, allowed to do his digs. The narration is seeking to cleverly bias the listener to what happened between Egypt and Germany. . . . A better case must be made for the history of the division of finds than this documentary does. This video is displaying a political bias. I am unequipped to judge if what happened was honest, fair, and legal. I sympathize with the Cairo museum that it longs for the bust of Nefertiti. But chauvinism does not trump science and the laws when things happened. Let the Berlin museum and the Cairo museum work it out. Share the bust. . . . And suppose it is fake? Then what?
The Greeks, the Romans, the Chinese (terracotta warriors) and the Egyptians were fully capable of producing the bust of Nefertiti. People forget that the Chinese, Greek and Roman sculptures were all painted and decorated, and not in the condition of the white marble/alabaster forms we see today. The Egyptians were no different. The ancient world was far more cosmopolitan than given credit for. Not only trade, but also literature and art was widely dispersed among the various nation states and kingdoms. No dynasty was more forward thinking than Akhenaten's reign. Many standardized traditions of culture and religion were thrown out and replaced. As to returning the bust to Egypt - let's wait a while longer to see if the Middle East will have a lasting peace. There are far too many radicals in the region who are more than willing to destroy works of art and archeological treasures for religious reasons. Cairo is not safe, any more than Tel Aviv, from ballistic missile attacks. Germany can keep the Queen safe and protected until the lions lie down with the lambs.
Reproductions of real antiquities should be acceptable these days....originals can go back where they belong. But gee sounds like the guy who found king Tuts stuff, I guess Brits aren't the only potential liers in Egyptian archeology.
It just goes to show how the provenance of art is such a delicate and controversial subject. In this case I would go for copy or fake, as it's condition is too good.
@flashladderacrobat I believe so too. The condition is way too good. It could have been semi-restored when found with found pigments. We unfortunately will never know.
I was really convinced it’s fake by the way the bust is cut at the shoulders vertically, which the Egyptians never did. The only other bust cut this way was also discovered by Borchardt. No other object discovered in all the history of Egyptology is cut in this manner, which the way busts are cut in modern times. Along with all the other circumstantial evidence, this seems pretty conclusive to me: Ludwig Borchardt, under pressure from the Berlin Museum to make a big find, had a forger create the bust of Nefertiti.
Yes, fake. The paint was too perfect over 3000 years. No discolor, no cracking, too clean. The person who claimed to have found it had acquaintances with a forger. He also claimed before hand he would find something fantastic.
and what they actually found was an artists studio, and original materials and pigments. the temptation to make your own artifact must have been overwhelming on such an expensive expedition.
Is it possible that her husband's statue was destroyed because of someone opposing his belief in this new religion? Perhaps Nefertiti's statue was left as it wasn't She who imposed this new religion? I think all the wonderful Egyptian artefacts should be returned to Egypt where they belong. Whatever the truth is, Nefertiti was an exceptionally beautiful Queen.
Because what they actually discovered was an artists studio complete with stores of raw materials and pigments - forging a sculpture using original materials creates a difficult prospect as far as determining the age. The discovered materials all date properly, of course. But when was Nefertiti assembled and rendered ? Nobody can know.
If Petries didn’t find any of these so available finds, how could the second person in? Doesn’t make sense. It should be in Egypt, it’s an Egyptian Bust, whether real or fake.
Zahi hawass is the arrogant Buffon he's done lot of frauds selling artefacts and Egyptian jewelry to many. He has hidden many facts, didn't wanted truth to come out.
Nefertiti should be given back to Cairo. That's where she belongs. She was obviously taken out of Egypt illegally. As to if she is fake or not. It's very difficult to know. It's such a beautiful sculpture ❤
No. There was a policy of splitting the finds in the 19th century. Germany funded the archeological dig and the Egyptian government had first claim of what was found. The Egyptian government chose the Amarna stele of Akenhaten and his family the Germans chose the bust.
@@SmokytheBear6969 No. There was a policy of splitting the finds in the 19th century. Germany funded the archeological dig and the Egyptian government had first claim of what was found. The Egyptian government chose the Amarna stele of Akenhaten and his family the Germans chose the bust.
The question is , how come it is the only head sculpture ever found in this condition…even the other Head sculptures found at the same site look like all the others..
Why are have so many ancient sculptures had their noses chopped off or rubbed away? There is more to the literal defacing of so many images than just war time aggression.
I don't understand why the Germans get butt-hurt when you question the authenticity of the Queen's bust. It's not even theirs. Not only that, the man who "discovered" was on so much pressure and was told that he better find something amazing or else. How convenient. The bust is an absolute fake. I've been to Egypt 3 times and have seen all the museums, tombs, some which are inaccessible to the public and dove under water to temples that are no longer visible on land, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing similar to the Nefertiti's bust. The one thing about ancient Egyptians that is true, and no Egyptologist can deny is that Egyptians did not like anything that was different or out of order. Everything had to be the same. Always. That is one of the main reasons that their civilization survived for so long AND that is why the Queen's husband, Akhenaten was the most hated pharaoh.
I watched this whole video searching and waiting.... Never did see her bust!!! Just what would they have used as implants? Can't they do the jiggle test to find out if her bust is real🥺
Jealousy for what ever reason in the world of collections and antiquities happen. Once the claim fake is out and loud, the waters are for ever muddied. I think some dealers collectors and historians like to do this.
Its a well known practice for fakers to use genuine materials. Especially if you want to fool the experts. Egypt was awash with very knowledgeable experts at the time willing to pay good money for the right artifacts and the wealthy patrons would have expected a return on their investments.. You'd have to say this is a fake inless it can be proved to be real. When things are to good to be true, they probably aren't...
Total nonsense! Just because we cannot imitate the superior technique needed to build the Great Pyramid, doesn't mean that the Pyramid is fake! -Likewise, the ancient beauty of a woman who's beauty has divine signs that God created her. So many things about Egypt are super, that you could also say that the Egyptians nolonger exist, when they are still existing. European state of mind is racially bias and ill.
So I'm only assuming tht this doc..so far does not account 4 the plethora of neothic green saraha periods in the 3rd planet from the closest star huh..
@ It wasn’t. It was common practice for archeologists to split the archeological finds with the host country to recoup funding. In this case the Germans took the bust and the Egyptian government took the Amarana Stele of Akenhaten and his family
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I saw this in real life and ever since have been saying this is the most amazing thing ive ever seen and it seems like it was made yesterday!
I've always maintained that it just looks wrong ... and was made, not yesterday, but within the last century.
The question then is who, back in the period it was presumably forged, was the sculptor who created it? He/she was clearly an exceptional artist in their own right.
It would have been somebody in the expedition who was there when they discovered the architectural ruins. They made it on site out of original ancient artists materials recovered from one of the buildings, which was presumably an artists studio. Yes, any classically trained fine artist could have done such a forgery. Nefertiti has very tenuous provenance, at best.
This sounds like very bad faith. Anyone knows that the statue of the Pharaoh was damaged purposefully by successors.
There is one thing - and one thing only - that the French hate about the Neferti bust: that it's not in the Louvre!
It looks like it meets a modern standard of beauty, which would make me think it’s a fake, but its features are similar to other, less well-preserved depictions of the queen, so that’s not determinative. I think it comes down to its state of preservation. It just defies belief. I have no idea if it’s authentic, and it very well might be, but I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if it isn’t.
i dont recall any ancient statue with eye creases-ever
WOW AFTER ARAB SPRING THE BUST NEEDS TO STAY IN GERMANY
It wouldn't be near the top of the list of artefacts Egypt wants back if it was fake.
The narrator repeatedly refers to the discoveries of Borchardt as "spoils". That is a deliberately misleading word. The word 'spoils' is most commonly used to refer to the goods stolen in war. There is no scientific nor scholarly reason to refer to the discoveries of archeological digs as spoils. The German archeologist was there in Egypt legally, allowed to do his digs. The narration is seeking to cleverly bias the listener to what happened between Egypt and Germany. . . . A better case must be made for the history of the division of finds than this documentary does. This video is displaying a political bias. I am unequipped to judge if what happened was honest, fair, and legal. I sympathize with the Cairo museum that it longs for the bust of Nefertiti. But chauvinism does not trump science and the laws when things happened. Let the Berlin museum and the Cairo museum work it out. Share the bust. . . . And suppose it is fake? Then what?
The Greeks, the Romans, the Chinese (terracotta warriors) and the Egyptians were fully capable of producing the bust of Nefertiti.
People forget that the Chinese, Greek and Roman sculptures were all painted and decorated, and not in the condition of the white marble/alabaster forms we see today. The Egyptians were no different.
The ancient world was far more cosmopolitan than given credit for. Not only trade, but also literature and art was widely dispersed among the various nation states and kingdoms.
No dynasty was more forward thinking than Akhenaten's reign. Many standardized traditions of culture and religion were thrown out and replaced.
As to returning the bust to Egypt - let's wait a while longer to see if the Middle East will have a lasting peace.
There are far too many radicals in the region who are more than willing to destroy works of art and archeological treasures for religious reasons. Cairo is not safe, any more than Tel Aviv, from ballistic missile attacks.
Germany can keep the Queen safe and protected until the lions lie down with the lambs.
Reproductions of real antiquities should be acceptable these days....originals can go back where they belong.
But gee sounds like the guy who found king Tuts stuff, I guess Brits aren't the only potential liers in Egyptian archeology.
It just goes to show how the provenance of art is such a delicate and controversial subject. In this case I would go for copy or fake, as it's condition is too good.
@flashladderacrobat I believe so too. The condition is way too good. It could have been semi-restored when found with found pigments. We unfortunately will never know.
If it were a fake, it would more closely resemble other artifacts from the period.
This has always looked way too “preserved” and modern to me. The style of the face looks different than other styles I’ve seen.
I was really convinced it’s fake by the way the bust is cut at the shoulders vertically, which the Egyptians never did. The only other bust cut this way was also discovered by Borchardt. No other object discovered in all the history of Egyptology is cut in this manner, which the way busts are cut in modern times. Along with all the other circumstantial evidence, this seems pretty conclusive to me: Ludwig Borchardt, under pressure from the Berlin Museum to make a big find, had a forger create the bust of Nefertiti.
Completely disfigured bust of ankhnaten-- i smell spoiled mayonnaise 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, fake. The paint was too perfect over 3000 years. No discolor, no cracking, too clean. The person who claimed to have found it had acquaintances with a forger. He also claimed before hand he would find something fantastic.
and what they actually found was an artists studio, and original materials and pigments. the temptation to make your own artifact must have been overwhelming on such an expensive expedition.
Fake or not, it's an exquisite piece of work. I first saw a picture when I was a child. I have judged beauty by her looks .ever since
Is it possible that her husband's statue was destroyed because of someone opposing his belief in this new religion? Perhaps Nefertiti's statue was left as it wasn't She who imposed this new religion? I think all the wonderful Egyptian artefacts should be returned to Egypt where they belong. Whatever the truth is, Nefertiti was an exceptionally beautiful Queen.
No other Egyptian statue used stone covered in plaster. Definitely fake.
Because what they actually discovered was an artists studio complete with stores of raw materials and pigments - forging a sculpture using original materials creates a difficult prospect as far as determining the age. The discovered materials all date properly, of course. But when was Nefertiti assembled and rendered ? Nobody can know.
Ive allways had the feeling it was fake from the docs ive seen about it but what do i know
Definitely is a FAKE
If Petries didn’t find any of these so available finds, how could the second person in? Doesn’t make sense. It should be in Egypt, it’s an Egyptian Bust, whether real or fake.
Looks nothing like the other known portraits of Nefertiti that exist. It's very Caucasian in its features.
I dont know but that aint her real head, my guy.
I was in museum and saw it.. looked too new to be true .
She DOES seem to look too 'modern'...
She looked like this in other wall paintings and friezes.
The Art of the Armana period was dramatically different from what came before or indeed, after.
fake. no question . and stop using hawass. hes a thief
Hawass- his crimes are known
Zahi hawass is the arrogant Buffon he's done lot of frauds selling artefacts and Egyptian jewelry to many. He has hidden many facts, didn't wanted truth to come out.
Nefertiti should be given back to Cairo. That's where she belongs. She was obviously taken out of Egypt illegally. As to if she is fake or not. It's very difficult to know. It's such a beautiful sculpture ❤
No one would give a crap if it was fake.
@@wackychicken faker real and feeds into their fantasy
Agreed, even if it is a fake
No. There was a policy of splitting the finds in the 19th century. Germany funded the archeological dig and the Egyptian government had first claim of what was found. The Egyptian government chose the Amarna stele of Akenhaten and his family the Germans chose the bust.
@@SmokytheBear6969
No. There was a policy of splitting the finds in the 19th century. Germany funded the archeological dig and the Egyptian government had first claim of what was found. The Egyptian government chose the Amarna stele of Akenhaten and his family the Germans chose the bust.
It's a reproduction, nobody ever said it was real.
The question is , how come it is the only head sculpture ever found in this condition…even the other Head sculptures found at the same site look like all the others..
As fake as a turkish barbers shop.
Using pseudoscience like a "lie detector" as a comparative way to prove if something is genuine is... not at all a good basis for argument, lol
Why are have so many ancient sculptures had their noses chopped off or rubbed away? There is more to the literal defacing of so many images than just war time aggression.
It is as authentic as the portrait of Tut Anch Amun .
Could they have made plaster from ingredients found on the dig? His notes said the pigments he found were still usable, so…
Auchenaten’s features are as cartoonish as Nefertiti’s is beautiful.
She should go back to Egypt.
Is it a fake or not?
In a nutshell - when you see the big picture and then make 1 + 1, the answer will be that "unfortunately" it is 100% fake!!!
Fast forward asap when Zahi hawass appears….
@@internetpolificationThat paragon of honesty and integrity?
@@Maisiewuppp That’s right, the modern day Indiana Jones never told a lie.
I don't understand why the Germans get butt-hurt when you question the authenticity of the Queen's bust. It's not even theirs. Not only that, the man who "discovered" was on so much pressure and was told that he better find something amazing or else. How convenient. The bust is an absolute fake. I've been to Egypt 3 times and have seen all the museums, tombs, some which are inaccessible to the public and dove under water to temples that are no longer visible on land, and there is nothing, absolutely nothing similar to the Nefertiti's bust. The one thing about ancient Egyptians that is true, and no Egyptologist can deny is that Egyptians did not like anything that was different or out of order. Everything had to be the same. Always. That is one of the main reasons that their civilization survived for so long AND that is why the Queen's husband, Akhenaten was the most hated pharaoh.
I watched this whole video searching and waiting.... Never did see her bust!!! Just what would they have used as implants? Can't they do the jiggle test to find out if her bust is real🥺
Wrong video. You got her mixed up with Nefertittie.
Yes, it’s fake.
They'll never let that piece go. They did get it out with a fib. Maybe an elite Egyptian squad could go in and swipe it back. 🙄 Possession is 9/10ths.
@@stevenedwards4470 Definitely taken out of Egypt on a fib.
Never found and lost forever
Jealousy for what ever reason in the world of collections and antiquities happen. Once the claim fake is out and loud, the waters are for ever muddied. I think some dealers collectors and historians like to do this.
I’ve seen this so called bust. It looked to me to be unbelievably well preserved. Unbelievably….
It is a bust, not a so called bust, whether fake or not.
Who pronounces au-then-tic au-ten-tic? Its so annoying.
She looks like a 90's super model, so I'm going fake.
Its a well known practice for fakers to use genuine materials. Especially if you want to fool the experts. Egypt was awash with very knowledgeable experts at the time willing to pay good money for the right artifacts and the wealthy patrons would have expected a return on their investments.. You'd have to say this is a fake inless it can be proved to be real. When things are to good to be true, they probably aren't...
I saw it in person, it didn't look right to me Nefertiti, was a black woman....
That’s wrong!
Total nonsense! Just because we cannot imitate the superior technique needed to build the Great Pyramid, doesn't mean that the Pyramid is fake! -Likewise, the ancient beauty of a woman who's beauty has divine signs that God created her. So many things about Egypt are super, that you could also say that the Egyptians nolonger exist, when they are still existing. European state of mind is racially bias and ill.
😂😂😂😂 he is such a baby
Fake history
So I'm only assuming tht this doc..so far does not account 4 the plethora of neothic green saraha periods in the 3rd planet from the closest star huh..
It’s as fake as the shroud of Turin
At least she was a real person from history!
Fake, obvious to me, is beautiful in it's own right but sorry no way it would be in one piece and in pristine condition.
These people were evil ROBBERS.🙄
This bust looks nothing like Queen Nefertiti images. It looks like the modern day Egyptian!
It's a fake
Keep it in Germany, it's a fake.
This fake has already been proven. Nothing else to say.
THE BUST NEEDS TO STAY IN GERMANY AFTER ARAB SPRING DOES ANYONE HAVE A DOUBT WHERE THE BUST IS SAFE
It shouldn’t be returned
It was stolen.
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It wasn’t. It was common practice for archeologists to split the archeological finds with the host country to recoup funding. In this case the Germans took the bust and the Egyptian government took the Amarana Stele of Akenhaten and his family
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HORUS ANUNNAKI
ANUBIS ANUNNAKI
THOTH ANUNNAKI
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God is Zeus Dionysus Dios goat devil 👿
From Greek acropolis
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Stupidity!
All stolen from Egypt
Rescued
Bullshit they were stolen, rescued my ass did anyone ask the Egyptian people if they could take ancient relics that belonged to them, no they didn't.