This Cheater used AI, but did he get away with it?
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- When the results of the Pokemon Trading Card Game Illustration Contest were announced and they feature Pikachu, Eevee, Pokemon Cards, Cheating Entrants, Traced Artwork and AI Art! A couple of days ago we finally got an update and we know who got disqualified. I'm here to give an overview of the Drama and spill the tea on what happened, who got disqualified and who took the cheaters' place. For a bit of positivity, I also rate my top three artworks of every catagory!
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Glad they are listening to the feedback ^_^
me too
you have a big forehead, mate
@@beforedrrdpr what r u on that’s like a 2 finger four head
They’d have to. The dude broke a legitimate rule and “made” the laziest artpiece in that competition.
Imagine having an art style similar to AI and being accused of using it 😬 We are definitely living in interesting times
for real
people really do need to realize that ai trained from human art, not human art trained from ai "art"
Someone actually had that happen to them
One artist girl was accused to use AI unfortunatelly. They use AI checker to check if her art is indeed AI. AI checker show it was, but also AI checker said that Originally Starry Night from Van Gogh is AI generated. So yeah, don't believe AI checkers,b ecause they're not accurte. You must first educate yourself and chech yourself, not with app or program if it is AI or not.
@@WilczycaCzarownica unless Van Gogh was a robot 🤖 (I doubt it)
Solid W for real artists. I really like that you emphasized the good art in this video too, instead of focusing on the negativity of AI art.
Yeah, I figured there was enough negativity going around, I should really use some of my time for the good haha
it's comforting to learn that laws are being put in place recognizing ai generated images as exactly what they are, other people's actual art cut up and stitched back together
gives me hope that there'll always be a place for creatives in work, seeing as companies won't like the idea of not being able to copyright stuff
Really loved the artwork that you showed off from the artists. The bidoof made of felt has to be my favourite because it's so damn adorable💘
Right??? Its so cute
The Pokemon Company needs to let their artists draw off model more often than they do. I remember the early TCG and those cards have such memorable art.
I love a good goofy card haha
The Jungle set Vaporeon is iconic.
@@Tenko72 That's the one I was gonna bring up! The fins are so gorgeous!! What's kinda sad to see is that same artist did more Vaporeon cards and as they get newer they become just the stock-standard Allowed design.
That last charizard definitely caught my eye too. Easily the most emotional piece submitted for me. Those who recognize minior’s lore know that that minior is dying. Charizard is recognizing that some Pokemon only fly at the very end. It’s very emotional to me that charizard is sharing in minior’s final flight. In alola, you summon charizard to fly for convience. But minior isn’t able to experience that luxury.
31:58
Thank you for your comment about my Melmetal! It's very encouraging!! Melmetal is also happy!
YO!!!! You're so talented, the art's incredible
Your Melmetal is easily my favorite in the entire top 300!
WAIT YOU'RE THAT MELMETAL ARTIST????? YOUR WORK IS FUCKIN WONDERFUL!!!! THANK YOU FOR GIVING MY GUY MELMETAL THIS ATTENTION
@@CuppaPhee
Thank you. You conveyed most of what I had in mind with this illustration in this video. By the way, the lava pool and Melmetal are digital art :)
you art is so fireeee
I’m glad they’re selecting other entrants in lieu of the disqualified entries. I’m mostly curious if any entrants who posted their art online after seeing the results are no longer going to be considered because the rules state it can’t be previously published works.
Honestly I was worried about then when I revealed mine after the initial announcement, I hope I didn't ruin my chances haha
I was thinking about that too! I Hope they're still considered
Tbh I'm still not too sure about the "AI is here to stay" comment, because that's what people said about NFTs. All tech fads nowadays die out like this in favor of the new stupid shit that tech bros can get their hands on
As someone more based in computer science than art, yes. AI is absolutely here to stay. AI isn’t some fad that requires human buy in to have purpose. It’s closer to the invention of the assembly line than NFTs, being a process that increases productivity.
What we know as AI art though? Much less likely. However, it’s more likely things get a lot worse for the anti-AI crowd. Currently AI has a legal hurdle. But once that hurdle is overcome, the challenges to artists will remain. How do you compete with the mass replicability of code? Ideally, through quality. But for the vast majority of people, AI art is already pretty good. And it’s only going to improve. (Hell, I agree with the judges that picked the AI generated images as winning. They may have flaws that RUclips artists love latching onto, but they’re more visually appealing than plenty of other entries.)
AI art can overcome the legal issues either through simply “not stealing” (using either public domain or art they have permission to use), or AI technology improving enough to not rely on training data so close to the final version. Artists can try to instill in others a value for human-made works, but that will be an uphill battle. Especially if you aren’t very good at what you do. As long as people enjoy art though, it’s unlikely that AI art will fade away.
@@skycastrum5803 Ai literally steals and no law will defend AI use, you really a AI dilusional bro
Companies not in the creative industry who don't give a shit (i.e. most of them) about having human-quality imagery will take any excuse to ditch freelancers. Even in the industry, like on stock image sites, it's creeping up hard and fast and the average person won't absorb an image long enough to notice all the ugly bits and utter lack of intent. Just look at the comment above mine. : /
Yes, please do look at the comment above Neogeddon's. Though, while the fact the average person is going to be perfectly content with AI art is important, it would also be appreciated to look at the rest of my comment.
On the subject of the "ugly bits," it's important to remember the quality of AI art is a moving target. If a job (not just art) absolutely requires a high level of precision with numerous details, AI may take a while before it's truly a threat. If not, AI gets scarier a lot faster.
To the "lack of intent," the manner in which appreciation of art is such an individual experience hampers the impact of this considerably. For better or worse, beauty's placement in the eye of the beholder makes it difficult to ever appreciate art to the extent of its creator.
@@skycastrum5803 Nah. AI imagery is tacky garbage and always will be. More words don't make you more right :3
I only draw a bit on paper as hobby, but I used to be in a band and we wrote original music, and let me tell you seeing AI take over in every art form and autotune too in music makes me so mad. The human imperfections make art, Art!
Loved the artworks you showed by the way!
thanks! its upsetting seeing how far ai is spreading, we just gotta stick together as artists and support eachother
i go to my local farmers market and saw AI coffee mugs, a art store i also visited had AI art post cards.... i am disgusted by seeing that :(
I can't say I expected you to cover more controversial/dramatic community news stuff so quick after making the channel (hah, I see now you've tagged it as drama too) but big respect for doing so
AI has no place in art, *especially* in competitions
I actually have a friend whose art gets confused with AI a lot. It’s really sad because they have a gorgeous art style. It’s sadly just in that semi realistic style.
Truthfully, TPCi should ask for an appropriate social to both confirm the artist's credentials and to promote the artist.
genuinely i'm surprised they dont make it an option, it would be so beneficial to the artists and it would help to screen for cheaters
I think any art contests need to have progress pictures as a requirement along side their final entries, that would hopefully be an easy way to distinguish between real and ai art.
Why not have them submit a video recording of them creating the art?
It won't eliminate AI art completely but it would make it extremely hard for cheaters to cheat
It’s definitely a good idea if you have a similar style to what ai copies
Problem: Apparently AI can create speedpaints now. Pretty bad speedpaints right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if even those get improved as time goes on.
Because AI prompters are so desperate to pass as real artists, that they've made AIs that can create speedpaints. Instead of putting in all the work it takes to *be* a real artist.
@@LittleParody oh my god… WHY WOULD ANYONE EVEN WANT TO PROGRAM THAT?
@@redwolf9998 Like I said, AI prompters are desperate to pass as real artists, without doing any of the actual work it takes to be a real artist.
@@LittleParody like I said, it will make it harder to cheat, not impossible
*Hans Moleman voice* "I wanted Fly Fivegons"
9:43 ✨Absols✨ 💙
Really glad they're listening, and giving people whose spots were stolen a chance to be selected in the top 300.
me too
I could be tripping but i feel like I’ve seen some of these BEFORE the contest came out, maybe on some long pokemon music compilation. But like i said, i could be tripping and having a Mandela thing happening rn.
AI art tends to look really similar depending on the model being used and what it's pulling from, so that may be why you're feeling deja vu with these pieces.
8:01 the fact that this person is asking for credit is actually disgusting
16:00
The detailed foot on that Feraligatr tells me plenty.
1:20 if you use the same AI checker that was used for Vigen K's AI images, all 3 of these show up as 99.9% (as well as DARA's, whose Pikachu's left hand melts into the floor). Please spread the word!
As for my favorite entry, Gotch's Melmetal deserves to win the whole thing!
Well, I'm not from japan, but I can confirm there are plenty of japanese AI artists
God, anyone who has a painterly/smooth or anime art style is kind of fucked with AI. Now their genuine art will have this stigma or double-take where people have to figure out if it's real
This is a fantastic video summarising everything, and a really interesting look into what you like in some of the entrants.
That Ganondorf jump-scare was uncalled for though, some of us watch this stuff late at night, we can't be dealing with things as scary as that /s
sorry ill put a ganon warning tag on it next time
this video has been great so far! i'm struggling to watch due to misophonia, seems like a lot of mouth clicks and stuff have been included, but i can manage. just have to watch mostly muted with subtitles. i love all the artwork you showed in the second part of the video!
Thank you for this! You are SO GOOD at describing and explaining the artworks. Lovely video to watch.
Awww thankyou!
Great video, thanks for sharing the outcome of the whole ai entries thing, glad it worked out. Loved the wholesome and positive art admiration section, some stunning pieces there.
Some of them are so gorgeous!
i really appreciate your explanation of what you liked about on the cards that you chose. very to the point. imma share it to my students so that the can design drawings with good appeal.
Aww thanks!
7:00 I missed the announcement regarding some of the artwork being mislabeled. Thank you for mentioning this!
2:04 DAMN I’ll go that rn, 2 rare candies that’s pretty good
worth
Cheers, thanks for the analysis video!
My pleasure!
To me, the art looks similar to Mitsuhiro Arita's work on older Pokémon cards. As such, I can't say if the cards were or were not generated automatically by a computer program. I can say there are several works of a similar style entered under similar names; that deserves an investigation.
Amazing videos. I really love the way you discuss AI and break down everything. Also, so many talented artists. 🎨 ❤❤❤
Thank you so much!
Thank god they received some feedbacks about the situation and glad that the cheater who used AI got disqualified and that's what we wanted to hear
Not really, some of us don't condone these anti-AI recreational outrages.
@lexruptor it's an art competition. You're supposed to make the art yourself, donkey 💀
solve all problems: show your work! submit your final piece with the recording of you drawing it!
I've even seen speed paint videos that are faked with AI. In that video you can see the hand and pencil sometimes being broken and morphing into other things, but only if you pause it on certain frames. From a distance it looks like a real hand! So yeah they apparently getting so desperate to trick people now that AI bros are even trying to create fake speedpaints now!!! I just don't understand why they even go to these lengths to trick people at all... This is so stupid! Why try this hard to pretend to be good at something you're not. People are gonna find out, you can't build a good reputation in scamming people in the long run. I guess their only goal is try to get quick bucks if they succeed in one scam and then jump to next scam.
But the funniest of all was that idiot who did AI art for a real gaming company, he was found out immediatly. Like did he really think he was gonna become a pro artist as a fraud???
@@zebnemma maybe like have a recording on a different device of you drawing
Stg we just need to outlaw all AI garbage altogether. Nothing good comes out of it whatsoever and its stealing the hard work of actual artists.
I never get to see this side of Pokémon art, thank you
8:54 I whent to a mall close to where I live and they had on all the mall's doors (entrances and elevators) Ai generated images. It was so obvious, they literally had a different looking blue monster on doors that were side by side 😞
I'm an artist and that really pains me how even a mall doesn't want to hire artists anymore
I literally got an advert for whatnot with Toby before this, I found that coincidence rather funny
ahhaah wow thats an old ad
I’m confused what that is, is it an Ai thing?
Since they're Ai they probably submitted hundreds and hundreds of generated images to get 6 through
As an artist myself i have to agree with everything you said in the video, great work
thankyou!!!
Only residents of six selected countries can enter?! I so hate the PC right now 😢
Hooray corporate hellscapes have made beggars of us all!
"Can we please please have real human art?"
10:16 this absol is digital art btw! it's probably trying to emulate graphite yeah. still very nice art tho!
this eevee however 12:38 does indeed look to be traditional
i'm super in love with the felt bidoof at 25:45, so precious!!!!
Good video, and I'd like to say good background music too!! The Dog Island is important to me so I'm happy to hear its music here :]
it was my favourite wii game, I cant believe i didnt think 'til now to use it haha
It's gotten to the point where I'm regularly searching google to see if there's any good news about AI art hitting a ceiling or something, and not being able to get better. But nope. It just seems to keep improving. Hopefully it can never draw hands.
the day ai learns hands we're doomed haha
If it helps, I have seen AIs getting worse and worse because everything they create that gets posted then gets used by the next generation, which keeps implementing their mistakes.
There are obviously algorithms made to select the artwork they pick from (which is atrocious) but generally they don't so they will hit the ceiling at some point.
as a wrtier for a og comic series, I will always prefer human arist over AI
Glad TPC are doing something about this!! Feels like they should've been WELL aware of this before the competition started!
(Also, is the audio out of sync for anyone else? 😅) Great video either way Phee!!
8:39 that shrimp jesus though is fire
if the rules say anything about "submissions must be created by the submitter" then that covers AI, as using AI isn't creating anything
i'm deeply saddened that a WARRIORS ARTIST was accused of using ai
That favorite Absol in tbe snowy woods at night is amazing! I love that at first glance it looks like the Absol is an imposing predator looking down on some timid creature, but then you look closer and you see its got a kindly smile and a friendly gaze. Really encapsulates Absol's whole lore in one image! I hope it wins!
I love all the Feraligatr. They're all so good in their own way!
Most of the Pikachu are great! Although, you're favorite gives me the whillies! That is clearly a cat someone traced over and its even got the Squirtle/Psyduck hands like that stadium AI one had. Not for me at all!
I love that everybody can agree that Koraidon is the biggest goober! 😂 Definitely my favorite legendary since Groudon.
Cute Eevee are cute. I really liked the one with the realistic lighting running through the dandelions.
That first Toxtricity goes hard and just encapsulates fun! Wish the "favorite" one was the low key form. I feel like everybody forgets about it. 😢
Flygon is best Gen 3 Pokemon and all its entries are splended! Though that first one's wings seem to be on an odd place on it's body.🤔
That first Melmetal goes hard! Feels like a print you'd see at an auto body shop or a cool band album cover! The BotW one is my favorite! Like you said the way the metal is rendered so simplicity yet effectively really sells it. The Claaaaaawwww! The Claw is our master! The Claw decides who will stay and who will go.
Those entries are all great. It would be difficult being the judge for these contests.
Your art for elestrals is my favorite!
Thankyou so much!
that three stripe pikachu from Dara. i want that person out it’s some serious AI sus i’m sniffing from that piece
Shame on that person..
NOOOOOO, NOT THE BEEP BOOPS 😢
rip beep boops 2k24
that pikachu on the bottom right is 100% ai art too, there are just too many things that doesnt make sense, like that pikachu has no brown on its tail, his back leg is completly broken (ai just put a food where his tigh bone still is), the cloud in the middle is the only one that has a random fiddly blue thing coming out of it and the plants on the right in the background are bleeding ogether with the clouds if you look closely- I bet i could tell more ai thingys about this piece but yeah, it is obviously ai art.
But tbh, im glad that the contest autorities did response to the backleash about ai art and removed the other ones. I feel so sorry for all the artist that have to go through this feeling of possibly losingag ainst ai.
It could be a possibility that they were disqualified due to tracing, but what do I know
I've entered everytime and sadly they seem to over look my art. I tried twice so far and they always pick ai artwork or better artists.
Hey wait I am late but now that I think about it if Pokemon X and Y we got Yeveltal and Xerneas what about Pokémon legends ( Z-A ) Z TO A 24 LEGENDARIES?
love the idea!
@@CuppaPheeYipppe you responded :D I like your art like the more hisuian bloodmoon pokemon and a lot more
Look at that cute Bidoof by Kaitlin Jackson tho! 🤩
AI images aren’t art!
I'm so proud of my boy Xous! this man is incredibly talented.
37:55 IM AN ELESTRALS GUY HI PHOEBE!!
Hello :D
The “people are assholes” argument against AI is a cop out.* At least by artists who claim it’s their main issue. If all AI images were made known to be such, and the technology (not the training material, but the underlying code) improved to the point it did not need to steal from artists, the anti-AI crowd would remain just as bitter. Because the underlying problem they face is that code is far more replicable than human work.
The goal of AI is the replication of the human mind. The closer that goal gets to being achieved, the more us humans will have to grapple with what it means for a human mind to be replicable.
*On rereading, “cop out” is almost certainly too harsh. It would be better to say that the reasoning just isn’t thought all the way through.
Only time I use Ai, is for reference (much like when you use photos via search). But all work done is 100% mine.
Thats how I think it should be used tbh, its a good tool just shouldnt be the entire piece haha
Saw someone saying the only AI that should be allowed near this contest is the one from Zero Lab. Yeah I'd let them enter. Porygon as well if it wanted to get artsy.
...i'll let 'em slide.
winners should upload video of drawing proccess as required
This is how it starts first AI start coming after our art next thing you know we get Skynet and terminators and The Matrix And the Disney Channel original movie smart house if anybody here is old enough to remember that movie.
I love every time there's a Drag Race x Pokémon crossover
any time
I'm happy to hear the Pokemon Company listened.... For once but also happy 8:31 Chibi cameooooo!!!!
im happy too!
12:56 this is not colored pencil, this is watercolor.
I wanted to enter this contest but for some reason they excluded Europe. Let's hope next year's is treated with more care (and regard for us European artists).
Just from looking at the three “unproven” art pieces, I’m willing to bet money that the Pikachu sleeping under the tree and the sleeping Eevee are AI. The black markings on Pikachu’s ears slope differently; one is an arcing slope but the other is a v-shaped indent. Plus that hind foot looks funky. Plus the lines for Eevee’s front toes don’t match up either; one is clearly defined (front) and the other doesn’t travel up as high as the front one. Plus the ear tufts at the inner base are off, one has three and the other has two (for a higher number, more complicated tufts of hair it wouldn’t matter as much, but for a simple number like that, it would drive me crazy as an artist myself if it wasn’t the exact same number).
Hey just want to say, there is this RUclips channel, @pokedexfillers with 200k subs that posts ai generated Pokemon, what this dude does is take a comment from his video and turn it into a Pokemon using ai, every time i see this I get mad, if I really wanted to I could get the same results since he is using ai, more recent videos i have seen have more blatant ai use.
I admit I do use Nightcafe,but I personally don't consider myself an artist. To be perfectly honest I'm not really impressed for the most part with what Nightcafe produces either. Most of it is actually pretty crap,99% in fact. Little flaws here and there in genuine art is one thing. But my god you should see just how awful some of the results from Nightcafe are. It doesn't help that more than a few people who use it have some very questionable views either. Sometimes I will come up with little stories for the images the ai generates,but that's really as fair as any genuine artistic endeavours go with Nightcafe from me. I used to draw when I was a young boy,but I fell off and as result my actual real life artistic skills are stunted at a rather juvenile level ( I used to doodle crude cartoon demons, because I was an edgy boy 😅). What's sad to me about Nightcafe is that I know this young woman off of it who used to be able to make art in real life but her health started to fail her and so she uses Nightcafe as therapy for herself. So it's really a mixed bag of people. There's people like myself who use it more as a hobby now ( a pretty lame hobby at that 😑) and the young lady who uses it for therapy. But most of the rest are probably a bunch of chancers and scoundrels. Some of them even have the pure cheek to actually sell what the ai produces. Now that to me is really taking the piss and spitting in the eye of real artists. That really annoys me and I'm not a real artist. I'm a charlatan compared to real artists,so I can only imagine how upsetting it must be to real artists. Oh one last thing before I forget Nightcafe allows "artists" to sell NFTs of their "creations"! It would almost be laughable if it wasn't so horribly dystopian 😦 anyway I am sorryfor the long comment.
ROBOT CHATGPT wants to battle!
Just draw ai """"artists"""" pregnant if they get caught
I feel like non-artists should avoid calling out AI entirely without either 100% proof or without input from an artist who understands this technology. A lot of real talanted artists have been caught in the crossfire cause dumbasses who dont understand the signs to actually look out for with AI publically call them out. That sucks so much.
I don't mind AI but using it for a contest is definitely No No, just not fair to some artists I'm glad they took them out
Wow Beautiful and Awesome list!
Thanks!
I think this is why I use the official Pokémon artwork as reference for my drawings...
I hate how digital artists are acting over AI art. They are doing the exact same demonizing and attacking of others that was done to them by traditional artists when digital art first started, including the issues with copyright, tracing, and a "computer is doing all the work". I switched to digital art from traditional in 1999 and dealt with so much of it. Digital art is now a respected medium but artists either haven't learned anything or are too young to have gone through it. I've lost a number of old digital artists to bullying over it already and Ive switched back to traditional to avoid the gatekeeping and abuse.
Personally I think AI does have it's place as a new medium and as a reference and concept tool but only when the art it trains on is licensed. Until then it's breaching copyright and should not be treated as anything other than a fun tool.
I don't know why the pokemon competition hasn't done what photography competitions have done for forever. For photography they must produce the original files to show their image hasn't been edited or composed. Art could produce the original files showing the layers and process. While AI can fake process video's, it can't fake (photoshop) files with layers ect.
I hope that digital art programs introduce a feature that records all actions for the file much like accounting software does so nothing can be faked.
DOWN WITH AI!!!
Love people using AI to detect "AI" art 🙄
It's not even perfect but in a way it can act as a Turing test for AI art.
People underestimate how much damage accusing people can do. I've been accused on more than one instance from people who obviously aren't looking too hard, and they're almost always incredibly insulting and aggressive. While I appreciate the passion, you guys SERIOUSLY need to calm down. Unfortunately AI isn't going anywhere, but artists might if they not only have to content with AI but have to contend with rabid "fans" constantly attacking and scrutinizing them with little to no basis.
As Cuppa said, don't scrutinize the piece, scrutinize the portfolio. I've been drawing since the 90's, but the people that accused me of using AI clearly didn't even care to check.
Also Cuppa, I really appreciate that you didn't make this video purely as an obvious grab for views from drama, but instead take the time to show off some of the great art! Made it an easy subscribe for me.
I heard Japan actually banned AI used for art so yeha
Flygon, my speedy boy ^w^
Does the tcg do art contests like that often(like yearly or whatever)? I missed out of that since I had no clue it was happening but I really wish I knew it was happening
there was a big one like this in 2022, as well as a few smaller ones throughout the years. This is the first one that the UK has been allowed to enter.
@@CuppaPhee thanks!
First hearing about this out of context, by "results" you mean the "top 300" (aka. "quarter-finalists"). According to the rules, quarterfinalists are required to meet additional verification requirements to be judged for the "top 100" (semifinalists), after which the actual, final judging will take place to declare the winners. So their update that certain users may be disqualified for violating the rules (while quite timely and welcome) is actually a pretty standard announcement.
Good art, I liked the ones that seem the most liked aren't low-vision friendly. I liked them too, but if asked for details to explain...can't really see things distinctly enough.
8:27 Kai what have they done to you
these types of AI "artists" would use aimbot in a tournament for sure
and get surprised why anti cheat program kicks them out
I'm not an artist, I have dabbled with ai generation to make references and such though. I would never claim anything I've generated as my own work, and I will always prefer getting actual art made by actual people. Anyone who does try to pass off the amalgamation of other people's art as their own is being inherently dishonest.
Also, as a massive absol fan, I love that first absol, it is so adorable!
its so pretty!
Could not stick though the winners because those background chimes are so distracting
Roshi wasn't the one to blow up the moon
He did in the original series
Are we all stuck calling Amoonguss “Among us” too?? 😂