I'm a INTP. The way I exercise my Fe is by arranging beer and chips hour on Friday afternoons at work. Surround myself with some happy people (that I know and am comfortable with) so I can learn to think less ill of the world at large.
.. and if people don't feel like partying I get really frustrated. DARN IT PEOPLE - THIS IS SCHEDULED HAPPY TIME - WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, DIDN'T YOU READ MY MEMO?
@@PowerRedBullTypology Part One is quite serious. I do have a quite cynical worldview that I do want to keep at bay - the followup.. less so - once people are accepted as friends, I don't really get mad at them.
Huh. As an I--P, I can't say I relate very much to the "see people as only either good or bad" statement. It's funny, cause one of my siblings and one of my parents are I--J's and they are exactly like that. They will rant about how horrible people are. If you don't behave a specific way in a specific context, the I--J's will think you are the devil. Literally. I feel like I'm more chill. I mean, yeah, some people really piss me off but I always try to see the reason behind their behavior and explain my theories to my I--J family. And they look at me and say: No, they are evil. Just evil. Or stupid.
Bernhardina Hörnstein Within this particular system (which isn’t the same as traditional MBTI), you might be classified as some sort of IxxJ or Exxp, vs. IxxP, at least judging from what you’ve written here. Obviously this is too little to go on, but what you’ve written here focuses on going back and forth between your perspective and the other person’s perspective in a reasonably balanced way. You’re not strongly oblivious to how people’s emotions and identities might be impacted- you can see their point of view even if you find it offensive or stupid. This skill then indicates (from this system’s approach) that your middle two functions are Decider/Judging functions. If that is indeed so, then your first and last functions are going to be Observer/Perceiving functions, thus Single Observer/IxxJ/ExxP.
I sort of see it the other way around. If my observer/perceiving functions are my middle two functions, that means I am balanced in seeing what the reality is/exploring what it could be. I'm thinking that would make me less narrow-minded and more prone to say "based on what this person did when he X, he might be going through Y", you know, speculating on why people behave in certain ways. While the I--J perhaps would be more prone to say "No, I see what's going on, he did X because he's an idiot who wants to hurt people". From my personal experience, I--J's generally have the highest expectations on other people, deciding how others should act in order to be "good" (especially the IN-J's). Of course if people don't meet my expectations, I will think of them as stupid, but we all do that to some degree. However, the I--J's are good at their judging/decider functions, so they are great at understanding what is good and bad to others, which should raise their expectations even more, because you have to adapt to all people, not just them. Does that make sense? But I agree with lots of other things in the video. If I get hurt, I take it a lot more personally than my I--J family, I have social anxiety, I hate drama, if someone hurt me I will curl into a ball and cry, I don't fend for myself. (I'm a feeler, I bet you already noticed ^^)
@@--._7953 My father is an ISFP and he is more like me in this regard. He never gives a damn about how other people behave - my INFJ mother however, she can't shut up about how evil some people are xD
Bernhardina Yes, you describe well what a balance between S. and N as the middle two functions (Double Decider in Dave and Shan’s system) would be. Part of the issue is that their system - “objective personality system”- is built on very crisply defined and exclusive terms/concepts, and looks to a great degree specifically at how people use their “language.” In their system, F centers specifically around Value and Value terms (“great!” “sucks!” “ helpful” “problematic” etc. for example) T around Reasons (“because . . “.) S around Facts/specific things. N around patterns/concepts/abstractions. All languaging is viewed through this lens as a starting point. You are certainly right that if you have good S and N balance it can give you the ability to look at interpersonal relationships. But in this system, this isn’t what they’re looking at. (As an example of what they’re looking at, notice in your response to me here- you are giving reason after reason after reason in your languaging. This is an emphasis on T in their system. Also, notice the abundance of concepts and patterns you’ve used in your languaging. This would be an emphasis or orienting around N) So, regarding Single Observer ( = Double Decider) or Single Decider ( = Double Observer) notice here in your response to me here, again, your ability to go back and forth between your point of view and another’s. But also notice in what you’ve written here, the relative imbalance of S facts/specific examples/very specific things you mention vs. the number of N concepts, generalizations, patterns. A great deal of N concepts and patterns and barely any S facts, specific examples. In their system, this would indicate a heightened imbalance between the 2 Observer functions, which could suggest a personality that is Single Observer. (Again, this is way, way too little info to make an assessment, and you need at least two outside observers to confirm you have an accurate assessment.) So part of making their assessment looks not so much at the content of what you are saying, or point you are trying to make or even the examples you are giving, but rather at what T,F,S,N is contained in the underlying semantic structure of what is said, and then the relative balance of these 4 functions. It’s a somewhat different approach than standard MBTI, and can therefore be unclear if you are trying to apply the standard MBTI approach. This is not to negate any insights, understandings, or observations you mention about yourself here! They are valid, too.
This one has always been tough for me. During the best times of my life, I have LOVED making the story be about people, listening to people's stories about other people, etc. Picking sides, going into the whole drama thing, having fun with it. But, I recognized later on that it felt like a lie, and that when I agreed that X was a bad person yet still corresponded with them, I was lying to Y, those who actually believed and needed it. So, I'd get rid of X from my life. It began to feel bad to not actually believe it, like I wasn't good enough for Y, my friends who needed it to be real. And then, I would question whether lying to Y for the sake of supporting them was as good as actually believing it with them. I kicked my own ass to hell and back about it. What has been legitimately hard has been remembering that Y has to do the work to support your needs, too. If you don't care all that much, Y has to support and lie to you, too.
oh boy! Im so hit by this. Im INTJ and the way I see it, Im surrounded by single decider siblings and parents. I never win over anything unless I join their thought process first! You guys just solved my dilemma. Doing marathon on all your vids and blogs here. 👍👍
So I think then that to a single decider, it's difficult to make decisions which are balanced between what they want or what works for them AND what works for the tribe or what the tribe wants. To double deciders though, it's easier for them to arrive at decisions where there's a balance between their needs/wants and those of the tribe.
I was diagnosed as Entj, 3 people had said so.. But I always led to believe that there's no evil or good side. It just side, and people in it. In the past I tend to blame people in my life to be the whole reason I was like this. But! They actually led me to the other side where I actually understand what they like or dislike. And even enjoying what they like. It's like, "maybe you haven't seen from this perspective! You should try it won't harm you" And I slowly growing up my interest. I also saw my parents as an annoyance because they also giving me bad times and stressful times, but they're not so bad all the times, both my parents have good side and bad side. Like there's something they should be blamed on but not all of them was their fault. They actually teach me so many good things. People have been my enemies since who knows when, but to be honest they giving me new perspective everytime. I still hate people because problem they bring, but just let be honest here.. even your enemies give a good advice.
Shite, as a kid and embarrassingly, even now, I always asked my parents or friends or anyone who'd just watched a movie or TV show, if specific characters played by actors were "good" or "bad"... I often also tend to completely like or completely dislike a person. And in times of stress, etc., it's often me against everyone else.
@@Arlyon9999 no, but having to have a career when the only way to make a living is something you don't want to do, does make one a slave, in a way (which seems to be more of an IxxP problem)
ENTP - If I sense someone is trying to put me in their fake invisible bad guy box, I purposefully play into that to get them to fuck off and get away from me by playing at being a horrible person. I have enough real problems without some shit lord with a self appointed PHD in witch hunting telling me I’m a sociopath. I’ve been misunderstood my whole life and these people always act like they’re the first and only ones to discover that I’m not exactly a saint.
INTP here and the only thing I relate to is the desire not to submit to groupthink. Otherwise, I’m not sure if this theory has a huge deal of credence.
They said those aspects were related to ExxJs. As an INTP, I can see both sides. People hate Hitler, but the guy did some good things for his people. ExxJs would have my head.
It's all either very EFJ or IFP. A lot of their theories seem more to throw Fi and Ti together, while it's often about Fi (which makes sense, becasue they use it so possibly understand it better)
I have gotten better thanks to y’all, but the struggle not to make people either “good” or “evil” is definitely real! This is a very weak area for me! I try to go back and watch videos like this one to remind me to tone it down! Balance! 😬
All the IxxPs in the comments think they can double decide because they're looking at outside perspectives but when someone offends them personally they'll get all upset lol
You/Me arguments, HOLY FUCK that's annoying. A guy I'm living with is definitely a single decider, and whenever I for example point out some shit I want him to clean up he'll be like "you made a mess last week TOooOo", and then he'll let his mess lay there for another week just out of spite. Kill me now
*The actual problem IP's and EJ's have is either being too focussed on the group and not focussed on themselves or not feeling they belong to a group or knowing how to belong to a group without adapting themselves* This video is just wrong
@@abecadlo15 Wow, you might be on to something there. I just thought that putting them in bold just makes everything I write an absolute objective truth. WTF!!
I have to always remind myself that things aren't always about me because I struggle really bad with that I was told to trim my beard yesterday at work and at first I was taking it as well they're just a discriminating against me because or whatever it is but I do realize my beard does get kind of nappy looking cuz I was looking at it in the mirror and a white well I guess I do need to trim it but still it felt like discrimination you know because I like having long hair and a beard and not doing anything wrong but I often feel like people are out to get me sometimes it's something I've battled my whole life
Charles Benson dude screw those people. Grow the beard even longer. I’m not trolling I’m serious. I hate when managers throw their weight around like that. Pisses me off so much. A beard is such an arbitrary thing to nit pick.
@@EndlessKurtis What the hell? We're talking about livelihood here, lol. How bout u keep the beard long, but well-groomed? That's a happy medium, right?
This is so true. If I have a good or bad quality about people in general in mind, I WILL SEE it in others. That just makes me hate or like them more. Weird.
Yeah... I stand by my previous comment. Maybe they didn’t dig deep but It’s pretty sad that kind of video got so many views. I’m not interested in that kind of sensationalism. The majority (99.999%) of Katie Morton’s body of work is legit and done with respect and concern for others mental health. Also I didn’t accuse, I posed a question if they were envious of her. Their cynical and sarcastic style has been entertaining but this apparently this is the downside and I’m going to call them on it. It’s not cool.
Ooooooh, boy, this video helped me think of the similarities and differences of how this often plays out in interpersonal conflict with INTPs vs. with INFPs. The video I'll do about this and the responses it'll get should be interesting! Thanks, you two! (I hadn't noticed before the alignments INTP has with INFP in such things.)
I've been thinking I'm a INTP now but I don't really relate to this video...I have a tendency to refrain from calling something or someone bad or good. I find these labelling stop us from looking at the actual issue or the overall situation...now I'm frikin confused hahahah.
Presumably Ti lead here. I spent a lot of time reading about cult leaders and psychological manipulation, interrogation/compliance tactics etc. Is this an example of single decider freakout? :D
Nina Schneidermann Not necessarily. A Single Observer will themselves be fascinated by issues of control and chaos and freedom in light of some form of “information” (in the broadest sense of the term) that’s being hidden or utilized in a presumably nefarious, controlled or uncontrolled way. So in the examples you give, you would need to suss out whether it is primarily focused around self-identity vs. tribe issues, interpersonal-relating proper (Single Decider) OR the control or chaotic handling of information, esp. conspiracies (Single Observers). It can get confusing because we can get upset with people (seems like it’s Single Decider and interpersonal!) about issues surrounding information (actually it’s Single Observer).
If you're a single decider you're a double observer, and what you're describing kinda goes against the points in the benefits for double deciders video pretty strongly
okay what if you have borderline personality disorder and RAPIDLY swing from one decider to the other back and forth constantly throughout the day. I'm pretty sure I'm an INFP or ENFP. Most likely INFP but am pretty ambiverted. So by your test, a Fi-Ne Consume lead. I suppose I'm a single decider bc my bpd makes me paint people as black and white depending on their actions and how I feel.
Yeah this video help me a lot ISFP (Fi Ni) or INTJ (Ni Fi). I think I am a single observer even tho I have social anxiety (not that bad) and when I was young I ask a lot of questions to my parents about the characters in the movie to know if they were bad and evil. The rest I dont relate at all.
@@amalksuresh286 yes they are double observer. That’s so funny I didn’t know I made this comment years ago on that account. I got type by them now as enfp CS/P MF. I don’t remember labeling myself as having social anxiety haha even tho it’s true between 15 and 18 years old I sort of had that to a degree.
I never feel good enough even though I do my best, and then some. It cuts me to the core if I get criticized for taking too long on something (perfectionist) especially if I worked on it during my free time off work. Absolutely shatters me. I’ve always purposely not followed the crowd - especially during high school, the worst peer pressure. People knew not to try to push me into anything.
Hey you probably already noticed this but Kati Morton's last name is misspelled in your video. Have you typed her? What's her type? I'm a fan of her videos (not the sociopath ones), she has a lot of great content on mental health and well-being.
What’s funny to me, a double decider, is when my single decider ESTJ father warns me to not fall into conspiracy theories, or warns me to not be a “bandwagon follower” or get caught in “group think.” Meanwhile I’m over here already such an individual that, that was never a problem for me in the first place. MY problem is that I’m too individual.
The ISTP i know loves watching videos about murderers and other criminals. I'm IxxJ and they just bore me after a couple. Conversely i can rewatch videos like these multiple times until i have a good frameworks for the concepts exposed while the ISTP has little interest.
I do this exact same thing 😅. If I see the tribe is rewarding behaviors or certain kinds of speech or even style; I’ll tap into my fi and reflect the same behaviors etc. lol
So it's more of a switching decision making as opposed to blending decision making? Any links to where someone may be in Spiral Dynamics or the drama triangle versus empowerment dynamic?
Well I see that a lot in the current political debate of the "alt-right" vs the extreme left wing community , I am not here to say that one side is right or the other is wrong , I just say that both sides accuse the other of following a script , of not really wanting a debate , of wanting to change the country into a hellhole
@Bryn Webster libertarian are rightwing , at least if it support capitalism it is right , if it support communism/anarchocommunism it is left, oh god i missed 99%of the political spectrum , anyhow for clearity on the tecnical right there are repubblicans , libertarians , anarcho capitalist fascist ans the alt-right. meanwile *does the sign of the cross asking for salvation* the left includes the many "politically" unassigned groups that care about the rights of minorities , feminist , LGBT+, blacklives matter ecc. ecc. then you have the thousen and thousen breed of socialist and anarchist wich include : pepole proposing the nordic model , socialist and anarchist. this is a brief rundown if i raised your intrest i only suggest you to go and do some research to guys like badmouse production , cuck philosophy and others , once you open the rabbitole you can go only deeper
@Bryn Webster yeah , i read wikipedia you're right in that , currently the magiority are right , kinda like the way in wich the democratic and republican party swiched sides over time
Oh man but I do go there as an IJ if I'm functioning on like three hours of sleep. I'm all Wiley at the bottom of the canyon, watching that Acme ball hurl its way down towards my cranium and there's nowhere to run.
Hey there! FJ got me hooked on your channel:) I like your videos because you tell it like it is...lol. Not a lot of people can handle that, but I do appreciate it. I have a question for you, Is it possible to be MBTI typed from high school and then later get tested in, we'll say Erik Thor's' test and get a slightly different result? Can we evolve from our root type and be another type? Or is it that we just have a better balance with our demon functions with our original type? I am an INFJ and I took Erik Thor's test and was typed INTJ. I have a theory, but I would like to hear your opinion as well:) Thank You! MizLynn
Oh. Well, *I* KNOW I do this already. So, *I* don't need to worry. Cuz, *I'm* already doing The Work. Therefore, *you* can't tell *me* anything. For, *I'm* already treading The Path!
"The power of a story | Giles Duley | TEDxExeter" is a great example about how people are in the story for single observers. He talks about finding meaning in his live and even himself is not the focal point of his talk. He lost both his leg and his left arm when he stood in a bomb in Afganistan. My guess is that he's and ENTP (like myself LOL)
A great example of this was a friend sent a video clip of some megachurch preacher looking and speaking in kind of a creepy way. My observer friend was like look at him it's because he's not actually human and me as a decider was like no he's probably a sociopath lol classic example, we're both dumb in our own special little ways... how fun.
I don't think "single decider" is a term that I would use. A more precise term would be single carer. You either care about yourself, which is mostly Ixxp, or care about everybody except yourself. Double carer or "double decider" can care about themselves and others at the same time.
OP info is always so good to hear bc. it's like an actual FEAR of mine. like i actually FEAR other people, i'm not just like.. being a dick. so now that i have intel/explanation of my function, and it's my silly function, I am in peace :)
Talking to someone: You cannot just telling if it is wrong or right, black or white, good or evil. Where are those grey area in your head? People are not just good or evil. People are spectrum. Someone: Is it good or bad to be like this? Me: GFYS in the corner!
Ok I have to say something to fully fucking process this because holy fucking crap. The decider "drug", keeping them stuck,,, of you vs me,,, of the world being against you,,, basically PEOPLE who are keeping you stuck. this has been my story..... when in reality it's been something that keeps coming back to me, a picture of like... a door to a place you're trying to get through,, and there's a security guard at the door. this could be a problem, but the security guard is ASLEEP at the door. you COULD fucking walk thru. the DOOR. IS. OPEN!!!!! but the decider (ME bruh) is fuckignw waving her arms around, freaking out over the security guard at the fucking door. I'M JUST WALKING THRU BITCH, NO ONE CAN ... yea no one IS stopping me. sheesh. what an ILLUSION!!! MIND GAEMS
Wow you lost my respect on this one... I ’ve never seen that video of Katie Morton and that other guy. You must have had to dig deep. All the Katie Morton videos I’ve seen (and she has hundreds) are well thought out and not dramatized as the example you chose. The other guy must have edited and enhanced with the eerie music and mask image. She’s legit and works hard at providing information about mental health- from valid sources and explaining in layman’s terms. She also encourages a positive and respectful forum for feedback. Are you envious of her or something?
Dig deep?! That's one of the biggest videos/series of the year on this platform. Check the views. It's been talked about by countless other RUclipsrs as well.
People can be good and bad at the same time. We're not 100% one or the other. I mean even Hitler was a vegetarian who loved dogs, yet he was leader of one of the most evil regimes in modern history. So calling out Kati Morton for participating in Shane's over-dramatised series about Jake Paul is not the same thing as saying that Kati Morton's content is all bad.
Yeah... I stand by my previous comment. Maybe they didn’t dig deep but It’s pretty sad that kind of video got so many views. I’m not interested in that kind of sensationalism. The majority (99.999%) of Katie Morton’s body of work is legit and done with respect and concern for others mental health. Also I didn’t accuse, I posed a question if they were envious of her. Their cynical and sarcastic style has been entertaining but this apparently this is the downside and I’m going to call them on it. It’s not cool.
Ok this has a place though. I mean come on you can totally dodge some bullets by being a single decider. Being a mature decider though you can start to see somewhat of a fluctuation of good and bad characteristics and behaviors in others and be a little more flexible in understanding without writing people off as sociopaths because they seem vapid or pretentious or uncaring of others or manipulative
I'm so confused....the video about sociopaths was completely accurate, that's what sociopaths are. How is that a single decider issue? This kinda comes off like you just don't like people making strong statements.
They are dehumanizing sociopaths. Sociopaths are humans too but those people treating them like they are some kind of monsters. This is equivalent to calling a person undergoing depression "lazy". The "strong statement" is actually bias. Especially if you are a professional therapist, you are there to help people. You shouldn't label anyone with mental illness as a bad guy.
A lot of the bulletpoints are very specific to one of the two groups, and it would be really helpful if you would divide them between the groups (not just in words as you do, but also in the visual representation). Just to give an example, I'm LII (or INTP), and I don't EVER villanize people. Overall a LARGE portion of the bulletpoints doesn't apply to me at all. I have social anxiety, I'll at a few occasions create a big drama (though mostly I'm just... There, and the drama will only surface with deeper personal connections), I might have some sociopathic tendencies, but from the narcissistic barely anything applies to me. Asshole is also stretching it, me against the world has some elements of truth, as well as fear of being a fan boy (though it's not really a fear as rather an effort to not be that that's fueled by logic instead of fear) So even including points that are stretching it I'm only fitting 6/12 arguments you give, while some of the others don't apply at all. If I were Te dominant, I might conclude from that I can't be a single decider. In conclusion, maybe I didn't type myself right or my type is a special case among the IXXP, but even just going by your arguments it seems that your listed behavior patterns are at the very least often somewhat specific, and as such you should separate them to avoid people watching this drawing the wrong conclusions. And then you should think if you should really include the points at all, if they're evidently not really what makes out single deciders. Honestly seems to me like you didn't really do your work for that video and just went with your subjective experience, which is mostly EXXJ based.
sociopath is a big old neon buzzword more than ever, right? A tiny pinch of psychotic behavior is like being Charles Manson to a person drinking their own neurotic koolaid Yesh, nice little break. Have a sip of your Haterade and continue with your life. Or make a freaky YT Doc like you're Dr. Phil. But you ain't got no RANCH?! Cmon bruh
God I love Double Deciding
Excuse me while I freak about chaotic situations
The pitch fork and torch brigade.
I'm a INTP. The way I exercise my Fe is by arranging beer and chips hour on Friday afternoons at work. Surround myself with some happy people (that I know and am comfortable with) so I can learn to think less ill of the world at large.
.. and if people don't feel like partying I get really frustrated. DARN IT PEOPLE - THIS IS SCHEDULED HAPPY TIME - WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, DIDN'T YOU READ MY MEMO?
@@CrystalblueMage Is this a serous comment or funny? I am not sure!
@@PowerRedBullTypology Part One is quite serious. I do have a quite cynical worldview that I do want to keep at bay - the followup.. less so - once people are accepted as friends, I don't really get mad at them.
Huh. As an I--P, I can't say I relate very much to the "see people as only either good or bad" statement. It's funny, cause one of my siblings and one of my parents are I--J's and they are exactly like that. They will rant about how horrible people are. If you don't behave a specific way in a specific context, the I--J's will think you are the devil. Literally. I feel like I'm more chill. I mean, yeah, some people really piss me off but I always try to see the reason behind their behavior and explain my theories to my I--J family. And they look at me and say: No, they are evil. Just evil. Or stupid.
Bernhardina Hörnstein Within this particular system (which isn’t the same as traditional MBTI), you might be classified as some sort of IxxJ or Exxp, vs. IxxP, at least judging from what you’ve written here. Obviously this is too little to go on, but what you’ve written here focuses on going back and forth between your perspective and the other person’s perspective in a reasonably balanced way. You’re not strongly oblivious to how people’s emotions and identities might be impacted- you can see their point of view even if you find it offensive or stupid. This skill then indicates (from this system’s approach) that your middle two functions are Decider/Judging functions. If that is indeed so, then your first and last functions are going to be Observer/Perceiving functions, thus Single Observer/IxxJ/ExxP.
Yeah, I feel the same way as an INTP with an INTJ father. And it's really hard to get him to budge.
I sort of see it the other way around. If my observer/perceiving functions are my middle two functions, that means I am balanced in seeing what the reality is/exploring what it could be.
I'm thinking that would make me less narrow-minded and more prone to say "based on what this person did when he X, he might be going through Y", you know, speculating on why people behave in certain ways.
While the I--J perhaps would be more prone to say "No, I see what's going on, he did X because he's an idiot who wants to hurt people".
From my personal experience, I--J's generally have the highest expectations on other people, deciding how others should act in order to be "good" (especially the IN-J's).
Of course if people don't meet my expectations, I will think of them as stupid, but we all do that to some degree. However, the I--J's are good at their judging/decider functions, so they are great at understanding what is good and bad to others, which should raise their expectations even more, because you have to adapt to all people, not just them. Does that make sense?
But I agree with lots of other things in the video. If I get hurt, I take it a lot more personally than my I--J family, I have social anxiety, I hate drama, if someone hurt me I will curl into a ball and cry, I don't fend for myself.
(I'm a feeler, I bet you already noticed ^^)
@@--._7953 My father is an ISFP and he is more like me in this regard. He never gives a damn about how other people behave - my INFJ mother however, she can't shut up about how evil some people are xD
Bernhardina Yes, you describe well what a balance between S. and N as the middle two functions (Double Decider in Dave and Shan’s system) would be.
Part of the issue is that their system - “objective personality system”- is built on very crisply defined and exclusive terms/concepts, and looks to a great degree specifically at how people use their “language.” In their system, F centers specifically around Value and Value terms (“great!” “sucks!” “ helpful” “problematic” etc. for example) T around Reasons (“because . . “.) S around Facts/specific things. N around patterns/concepts/abstractions. All languaging is viewed through this lens as a starting point.
You are certainly right that if you have good S and N balance it can give you the ability to look at interpersonal relationships. But in this system, this isn’t what they’re looking at.
(As an example of what they’re looking at, notice in your response to me here- you are giving reason after reason after reason in your languaging. This is an emphasis on T in their system. Also, notice the abundance of concepts and patterns you’ve used in your languaging. This would be an emphasis or orienting around N)
So, regarding Single Observer ( = Double Decider) or Single Decider ( = Double Observer) notice here in your response to me here, again, your ability to go back and forth between your point of view and another’s. But also notice in what you’ve written here, the relative imbalance of S facts/specific examples/very specific things you mention vs. the number of N concepts, generalizations, patterns. A great deal of N concepts and patterns and barely any S facts, specific examples. In their system, this would indicate a heightened imbalance between the 2 Observer functions, which could suggest a personality that is Single Observer. (Again, this is way, way too little info to make an assessment, and you need at least two outside observers to confirm you have an accurate assessment.)
So part of making their assessment looks not so much at the content of what you are saying, or point you are trying to make or even the examples you are giving, but rather at what T,F,S,N is contained in the underlying semantic structure of what is said, and then the relative balance of these 4 functions. It’s a somewhat different approach than standard MBTI, and can therefore be unclear if you are trying to apply the standard MBTI approach.
This is not to negate any insights, understandings, or observations you mention about yourself here! They are valid, too.
This one has always been tough for me. During the best times of my life, I have LOVED making the story be about people, listening to people's stories about other people, etc. Picking sides, going into the whole drama thing, having fun with it. But, I recognized later on that it felt like a lie, and that when I agreed that X was a bad person yet still corresponded with them, I was lying to Y, those who actually believed and needed it. So, I'd get rid of X from my life. It began to feel bad to not actually believe it, like I wasn't good enough for Y, my friends who needed it to be real. And then, I would question whether lying to Y for the sake of supporting them was as good as actually believing it with them. I kicked my own ass to hell and back about it. What has been legitimately hard has been remembering that Y has to do the work to support your needs, too. If you don't care all that much, Y has to support and lie to you, too.
oh boy! Im so hit by this. Im INTJ and the way I see it, Im surrounded by single decider siblings and parents. I never win over anything unless I join their thought process first! You guys just solved my dilemma. Doing marathon on all your vids and blogs here. 👍👍
So I think then that to a single decider, it's difficult to make decisions which are balanced between what they want or what works for them AND what works for the tribe or what the tribe wants. To double deciders though, it's easier for them to arrive at decisions where there's a balance between their needs/wants and those of the tribe.
Social anxiety in 2019: ''I'm not a billionaire who faces no life challenges and has 2 million people following them on Instagram''
Go fuck yourself
@@abecadlo15 ?
You are being ridiculously hostile for no reason here lmao
@@caffemocca8855 Because I find the typical "kids nowadays have it too easy, back in my days..." bullshit offensive
Ha
@@abecadlo15 No, actually you didnt even get it. Go fuck your own self tard
I was diagnosed as Entj, 3 people had said so..
But I always led to believe that there's no evil or good side. It just side, and people in it.
In the past I tend to blame people in my life to be the whole reason I was like this.
But! They actually led me to the other side where I actually understand what they like or dislike. And even enjoying what they like.
It's like, "maybe you haven't seen from this perspective! You should try it won't harm you"
And I slowly growing up my interest.
I also saw my parents as an annoyance because they also giving me bad times and stressful times, but they're not so bad all the times, both my parents have good side and bad side. Like there's something they should be blamed on but not all of them was their fault. They actually teach me so many good things.
People have been my enemies since who knows when, but to be honest they giving me new perspective everytime. I still hate people because problem they bring, but just let be honest here.. even your enemies give a good advice.
Shite, as a kid and embarrassingly, even now, I always asked my parents or friends or anyone who'd just watched a movie or TV show, if specific characters played by actors were "good" or "bad"... I often also tend to completely like or completely dislike a person. And in times of stress, etc., it's often me against everyone else.
The more I watch these the more it makes sense! I’m an IxxP! God damn it! I don’t want this. I want a refund on this crap.
Yeah, hit the nail on the head with this one... Damn. Been asking myself if I'm too hard on judgments of others lately.
That you left it in how you disliked that video 😂
😂 I absolutely loved that too
OMG i didn't notice that XD
Being IxxP sucks because it means you can't be a good slave.
ibanezmonsterg Following structure doesn’t make you a slave.
@@Arlyon9999 no, but having to have a career when the only way to make a living is something you don't want to do, does make one a slave, in a way (which seems to be more of an IxxP problem)
@Death To Diaper Ghouls what do you consider socialism? Do you think you deserve fire fighters? Sounds like dumb free crap to me.
@Death To Diaper Ghouls someone's toxic.
ENTP - If I sense someone is trying to put me in their fake invisible bad guy box, I purposefully play into that to get them to fuck off and get away from me by playing at being a horrible person. I have enough real problems without some shit lord with a self appointed PHD in witch hunting telling me I’m a sociopath. I’ve been misunderstood my whole life and these people always act like they’re the first and only ones to discover that I’m not exactly a saint.
*side-eyes Dr Ramani*
INTP here and the only thing I relate to is the desire not to submit to groupthink. Otherwise, I’m not sure if this theory has a huge deal of credence.
More ExxJ stuff I think...
They said those aspects were related to ExxJs.
As an INTP, I can see both sides. People hate Hitler, but the guy did some good things for his people. ExxJs would have my head.
William William exactly
Social anxiety ?
It's all either very EFJ or IFP. A lot of their theories seem more to throw Fi and Ti together, while it's often about Fi (which makes sense, becasue they use it so possibly understand it better)
I have gotten better thanks to y’all, but the struggle not to make people either “good” or “evil” is definitely real! This is a very weak area for me! I try to go back and watch videos like this one to remind me to tone it down! Balance! 😬
All the IxxPs in the comments think they can double decide because they're looking at outside perspectives but when someone offends them personally they'll get all upset lol
You/Me arguments, HOLY FUCK that's annoying. A guy I'm living with is definitely a single decider, and whenever I for example point out some shit I want him to clean up he'll be like "you made a mess last week TOooOo", and then he'll let his mess lay there for another week just out of spite. Kill me now
The ending cracked me up.
Laura Miller omg hey Laura!
The extent to which I'm unaware of my feelings at a time is often disturbing. Then they pile up and I explode.
*The actual problem IP's and EJ's have is either being too focussed on the group and not focussed on themselves or not feeling they belong to a group or knowing how to belong to a group without adapting themselves* This video is just wrong
Agreed
You realize that putting your words in bold doesn't make them more true?
@@abecadlo15 Wow, you might be on to something there. I just thought that putting them in bold just makes everything I write an absolute objective truth. WTF!!
I have to always remind myself that things aren't always about me because I struggle really bad with that I was told to trim my beard yesterday at work and at first I was taking it as well they're just a discriminating against me because or whatever it is but I do realize my beard does get kind of nappy looking cuz I was looking at it in the mirror and a white well I guess I do need to trim it but still it felt like discrimination you know because I like having long hair and a beard and not doing anything wrong but I often feel like people are out to get me sometimes it's something I've battled my whole life
Charles Benson dude screw those people. Grow the beard even longer. I’m not trolling I’m serious.
I hate when managers throw their weight around like that. Pisses me off so much. A beard is such an arbitrary thing to nit pick.
@@EndlessKurtis What the hell? We're talking about livelihood here, lol. How bout u keep the beard long, but well-groomed? That's a happy medium, right?
What kind of work do you do?
@@heatherbryant4197 I'm a night janitor I usually work alone
Jesus, I have the same stories... Someone told me that, I felt that way, they were mean, I am a victim...
As an INTJ, who values putting things into a fair perspective, is it normal to have _all_ these struggles talked about on the show?!
This is so true. If I have a good or bad quality about people in general in mind, I WILL SEE it in others. That just makes me hate or like them more. Weird.
Yeah... I stand by my previous comment. Maybe they didn’t dig deep but It’s pretty sad that kind of video got so many views. I’m not interested in that kind of sensationalism. The majority (99.999%) of Katie Morton’s body of work is legit and done with respect and concern for others mental health.
Also I didn’t accuse, I posed a question if they were envious of her. Their cynical and sarcastic style has been entertaining but this apparently this is the downside and I’m going to call them on it. It’s not cool.
Ooooooh, boy, this video helped me think of the similarities and differences of how this often plays out in interpersonal conflict with INTPs vs. with INFPs. The video I'll do about this and the responses it'll get should be interesting! Thanks, you two!
(I hadn't noticed before the alignments INTP has with INFP in such things.)
istp here…not sure about all good and all bad-with people I don’t know I just work from all bad and let them redeem themselves to maybe good.
I've been thinking I'm a INTP now but I don't really relate to this video...I have a tendency to refrain from calling something or someone bad or good. I find these labelling stop us from looking at the actual issue or the overall situation...now I'm frikin confused hahahah.
Presumably Ti lead here. I spent a lot of time reading about cult leaders and psychological manipulation, interrogation/compliance tactics etc. Is this an example of single decider freakout? :D
Nina Schneidermann Not necessarily. A Single Observer will themselves be fascinated by issues of control and chaos and freedom in light of some form of “information” (in the broadest sense of the term) that’s being hidden or utilized in a presumably nefarious, controlled or uncontrolled way. So in the examples you give, you would need to suss out whether it is primarily focused around self-identity vs. tribe issues, interpersonal-relating proper (Single Decider) OR the control or chaotic handling of information, esp. conspiracies (Single Observers). It can get confusing because we can get upset with people (seems like it’s Single Decider and interpersonal!) about issues surrounding information (actually it’s Single Observer).
If you're a single decider you're a double observer, and what you're describing kinda goes against the points in the benefits for double deciders video pretty strongly
okay what if you have borderline personality disorder and RAPIDLY swing from one decider to the other back and forth constantly throughout the day. I'm pretty sure I'm an INFP or ENFP. Most likely INFP but am pretty ambiverted. So by your test, a Fi-Ne Consume lead.
I suppose I'm a single decider bc my bpd makes me paint people as black and white depending on their actions and how I feel.
Yeah this video help me a lot ISFP (Fi Ni) or INTJ (Ni Fi). I think I am a single observer even tho I have social anxiety (not that bad) and when I was young I ask a lot of questions to my parents about the characters in the movie to know if they were bad and evil. The rest I dont relate at all.
Aren't IP s double observers?
@@amalksuresh286 yes they are double observer. That’s so funny I didn’t know I made this comment years ago on that account. I got type by them now as enfp CS/P MF. I don’t remember labeling myself as having social anxiety haha even tho it’s true between 15 and 18 years old I sort of had that to a degree.
I never feel good enough even though I do my best, and then some. It cuts me to the core if I get criticized for taking too long on something (perfectionist) especially if I worked on it during my free time off work. Absolutely shatters me. I’ve always purposely not followed the crowd - especially during high school, the worst peer pressure. People knew not to try to push me into anything.
Hey you probably already noticed this but Kati Morton's last name is misspelled in your video. Have you typed her? What's her type? I'm a fan of her videos (not the sociopath ones), she has a lot of great content on mental health and well-being.
@Omar Khalil shes an INFP imo. Maybe Si over Ne. Which isnt shocking considering shes a therapist.
omg now i'm scared of myself
What’s funny to me, a double decider, is when my single decider ESTJ father warns me to not fall into conspiracy theories, or warns me to not be a “bandwagon follower” or get caught in “group think.” Meanwhile I’m over here already such an individual that, that was never a problem for me in the first place. MY problem is that I’m too individual.
Wrote a paper in high school about all the people who didn’t like me called them bullies not proud of it. But definitely catch myself doing that
The ISTP i know loves watching videos about murderers and other criminals. I'm IxxJ and they just bore me after a couple. Conversely i can rewatch videos like these multiple times until i have a good frameworks for the concepts exposed while the ISTP has little interest.
Can a single observer have social anxiety and feel inferior to others in terms of skills like smarts, sports etc?
The cuts are making me laugh so hard 0:00
Are we still the cool table?
I do this exact same thing 😅. If I see the tribe is rewarding behaviors or certain kinds of speech or even style; I’ll tap into my fi and reflect the same behaviors etc. lol
It’s communicating with your energy
So it's more of a switching decision making as opposed to blending decision making?
Any links to where someone may be in Spiral Dynamics or the drama triangle versus empowerment dynamic?
Well I see that a lot in the current political debate of the "alt-right" vs the extreme left wing community ,
I am not here to say that one side is right or the other is wrong , I just say that both sides accuse the other of following a script , of not really wanting a debate , of wanting to change the country into a hellhole
@Bryn Webster libertarian are rightwing , at least if it support capitalism it is right , if it support communism/anarchocommunism it is left, oh god i missed 99%of the political spectrum , anyhow for clearity on the tecnical right there are repubblicans , libertarians , anarcho capitalist fascist ans the alt-right. meanwile *does the sign of the cross asking for salvation* the left includes the many "politically" unassigned groups that care about the rights of minorities , feminist , LGBT+, blacklives matter ecc. ecc. then you have the thousen and thousen breed of socialist and anarchist wich include : pepole proposing the nordic model , socialist and anarchist. this is a brief rundown if i raised your intrest i only suggest you to go and do some research to guys like badmouse production , cuck philosophy and others , once you open the rabbitole you can go only deeper
@Bryn Webster yeah , i read wikipedia you're right in that , currently the magiority are right , kinda like the way in wich the democratic and republican party swiched sides over time
Oh man but I do go there as an IJ if I'm functioning on like three hours of sleep. I'm all Wiley at the bottom of the canyon, watching that Acme ball hurl its way down towards my cranium and there's nowhere to run.
Arguing enfp vs entp adhd meets flash they have an infinite number of babies and that is the conversation 😊
Hey there! FJ got me hooked on your channel:) I like your videos because you tell it like it is...lol. Not a lot of people can handle that, but I do appreciate it.
I have a question for you, Is it possible to be MBTI typed from high school and then later get tested in, we'll say Erik Thor's' test and get a slightly different result?
Can we evolve from our root type and be another type? Or is it that we just have a better balance with our demon functions with our original type?
I am an INFJ and I took Erik Thor's test and was typed INTJ. I have a theory, but I would like to hear your opinion as well:) Thank You!
MizLynn
Every MBTI test sucks and bad testing is the reason why MBTI has a bad rep.
Please let her finish her sentences damn.. i don't knoe what she's saying in 5:42 because he interrupts...
What is the deciding function when interpreted in mbti functions? I keep seeing it
I thought that Katie Monton indentified as an INFJ. She has a very good U-tube channel
She took the test?
Oh.
Well, *I* KNOW I do this already. So, *I* don't need to worry. Cuz, *I'm* already doing The Work. Therefore, *you* can't tell *me* anything.
For, *I'm* already treading The Path!
Dangerous when other non qualified people make judgements
What EJ type is Shane Dawson? I always considered him an ENFP
I’m sure they believe he’s an ExFJ type.
From what I have seen of him he seems like an ENFP. He's got that Ne-dom chaotic and enthusiastic manner
FF Fe/Ne PC/S(B)
"The power of a story | Giles Duley | TEDxExeter" is a great example about how people are in the story for single observers. He talks about finding meaning in his live and even himself is not the focal point of his talk. He lost both his leg and his left arm when he stood in a bomb in Afganistan. My guess is that he's and ENTP (like myself LOL)
To learn that nothing is all this or that was live changing as a single decider. There is always two sides of a coin.
Tjatt That isn’t common sense?
Tekuila Sure in most aspect of life. But with people single decider tends to want to label people good or bad.
Collectivism vs individualism syndrome.
Cliven Longsight Yes some things are better than others.
No pls keep making videos you two really help me understand myself🥲
I know an INFP and ENFJ who are literally like that and it kinda annoys me when they're that stuck in their own viewpoint.. (I'm an ENFP btw)
I've been in a few of those - I sense some sarcasm against the wifey
Single deciders could become self-righteous when freaking out then.
What’s the difference between NeTe and TeNi?
A great example of this was a friend sent a video clip of some megachurch preacher looking and speaking in kind of a creepy way. My observer friend was like look at him it's because he's not actually human and me as a decider was like no he's probably a sociopath lol classic example, we're both dumb in our own special little ways... how fun.
I don't think "single decider" is a term that I would use. A more precise term would be single carer.
You either care about yourself, which is mostly Ixxp, or care about everybody except yourself.
Double carer or "double decider" can care about themselves and others at the same time.
OP info is always so good to hear
bc. it's like an actual FEAR of mine. like i actually FEAR other people, i'm not just like.. being a dick.
so now that i have intel/explanation of my function, and it's my silly function, I am in peace :)
Talking to someone: You cannot just telling if it is wrong or right, black or white, good or evil. Where are those grey area in your head? People are not just good or evil. People are spectrum.
Someone: Is it good or bad to be like this?
Me: GFYS in the corner!
Went above my head
Shanon I dont know exactly why, but I love you!!! Like very much!! -a fangirl
Same.
@@92enpuissance yea right?!
You're both all bad.
@@pjackson7395 ? Wym
@@user-mn5ge3mq9f I was just poking a bit of fun. You're both all good really.
ExxJ fearing about being a fanboy and having social anxiety? Uh no i dont think so..
A lot of this is mental health
See what I’m talking about!!!!
“Pharisees”?
Good info ty
Ok I have to say something to fully fucking process this because holy fucking crap.
The decider "drug", keeping them stuck,,, of you vs me,,, of the world being against you,,, basically PEOPLE who are keeping you stuck. this has been my story..... when in reality it's been something that keeps coming back to me, a picture of like... a door to a place you're trying to get through,, and there's a security guard at the door. this could be a problem, but the security guard is ASLEEP at the door. you COULD fucking walk thru. the DOOR. IS. OPEN!!!!! but the decider (ME bruh) is fuckignw waving her arms around, freaking out over the security guard at the fucking door.
I'M JUST WALKING THRU BITCH, NO ONE CAN ... yea no one IS stopping me. sheesh. what an ILLUSION!!! MIND GAEMS
Ty
Wow you lost my respect on this one... I ’ve never seen that video of Katie Morton and that other guy. You must have had to dig deep. All the Katie Morton videos I’ve seen (and she has hundreds) are well thought out and not dramatized as the example you chose. The other guy must have edited and enhanced with the eerie music and mask image.
She’s legit and works hard at providing information about mental health- from valid sources and explaining in layman’s terms. She also encourages a positive and respectful forum for feedback.
Are you envious of her or something?
It was Shane's video, and thus his editing. He has already addressed how dramatic he made it
Dig deep?! That's one of the biggest videos/series of the year on this platform. Check the views. It's been talked about by countless other RUclipsrs as well.
People can be good and bad at the same time. We're not 100% one or the other. I mean even Hitler was a vegetarian who loved dogs, yet he was leader of one of the most evil regimes in modern history.
So calling out Kati Morton for participating in Shane's over-dramatised series about Jake Paul is not the same thing as saying that Kati Morton's content is all bad.
Interesting how well this demonstrates the point of the video.
Yeah... I stand by my previous comment. Maybe they didn’t dig deep but It’s pretty sad that kind of video got so many views. I’m not interested in that kind of sensationalism. The majority (99.999%) of Katie Morton’s body of work is legit and done with respect and concern for others mental health.
Also I didn’t accuse, I posed a question if they were envious of her. Their cynical and sarcastic style has been entertaining but this apparently this is the downside and I’m going to call them on it. It’s not cool.
Type of thinking
Ok this has a place though. I mean come on you can totally dodge some bullets by being a single decider. Being a mature decider though you can start to see somewhat of a fluctuation of good and bad characteristics and behaviors in others and be a little more flexible in understanding without writing people off as sociopaths because they seem vapid or pretentious or uncaring of others or manipulative
I'm so confused....the video about sociopaths was completely accurate, that's what sociopaths are. How is that a single decider issue? This kinda comes off like you just don't like people making strong statements.
They are dehumanizing sociopaths. Sociopaths are humans too but those people treating them like they are some kind of monsters. This is equivalent to calling a person undergoing depression "lazy". The "strong statement" is actually bias. Especially if you are a professional therapist, you are there to help people. You shouldn't label anyone with mental illness as a bad guy.
A lot of the bulletpoints are very specific to one of the two groups, and it would be really helpful if you would divide them between the groups (not just in words as you do, but also in the visual representation).
Just to give an example, I'm LII (or INTP), and I don't EVER villanize people.
Overall a LARGE portion of the bulletpoints doesn't apply to me at all.
I have social anxiety, I'll at a few occasions create a big drama (though mostly I'm just... There, and the drama will only surface with deeper personal connections), I might have some sociopathic tendencies, but from the narcissistic barely anything applies to me.
Asshole is also stretching it, me against the world has some elements of truth, as well as fear of being a fan boy (though it's not really a fear as rather an effort to not be that that's fueled by logic instead of fear)
So even including points that are stretching it I'm only fitting 6/12 arguments you give, while some of the others don't apply at all.
If I were Te dominant, I might conclude from that I can't be a single decider.
In conclusion, maybe I didn't type myself right or my type is a special case among the IXXP, but even just going by your arguments it seems that your listed behavior patterns are at the very least often somewhat specific, and as such you should separate them to avoid people watching this drawing the wrong conclusions. And then you should think if you should really include the points at all, if they're evidently not really what makes out single deciders. Honestly seems to me like you didn't really do your work for that video and just went with your subjective experience, which is mostly EXXJ based.
God fucking damnit.
Gotcha
Self reflecting
Oooooh the creepy music
The girl was projecting
Scary
5:14 lmaoo
ted kaczynski says hello
Kind of amazed to see fake psychologists be so smug about an actual psychologist talking about an actual personality disorder
It’s a funnel
This all sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe too far down that rabbit hole at this point.
lol I’m playing both sides shhhh
Love shaneeeee
sociopath is a big old neon buzzword more than ever, right? A tiny pinch of psychotic behavior is like being Charles Manson to a person drinking their own neurotic koolaid
Yesh, nice little break. Have a sip of your Haterade and continue with your life. Or make a freaky YT Doc like you're Dr. Phil. But you ain't got no RANCH?! Cmon bruh
@Your Worst Nightmare oh snap, that's so woke I think I went back to sleep after a quick pee and a little water
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