NIKKI SIXX DID NOT PLAY BASS ON MOTLEY CRUE' S THEATER OF PAIN SAYS GREG LEON
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Tom Pettersson once said like 10 years ago that Nikki doesn’t play bass on stage. Sixx is a poser. It’s just coming out to light now cause of the lawsuit.
"No posers allowed"
I was calling them posers back in 1986.
It's always been obvious that he doesn't actually play live.
He clearly does play bass live.
The way I heard it Nikki was let go from London he saw Tommy playing drums at the Starwood talked to him about quitting that band and making one with him Tommy knew Greg Leon he auditioned and didn't make it the saw a add in the recycler that was micks then they decided to hire Vince I heard that from the hoses mouth so to speak eating pizza and drinking with them one night after they were done at the whisky we talk quite some time
Since Mick is no longer in the band, maybe he can confirm Matthew Tripp being in the band
The name MOTLEY CRUE came from Mick Mars so he was their first guitarist 😮
Technically there was a guitar player before Mick joined. He did not like Sixx so he left. Then Mick and Vince joined. Mick came up with the name but he was not the original guitarist.
@@ernestbuckley8671using your logic, Zack de la Rocha is the original lead singer of Audioslave then.
I guess so. Does it really matter? Nope. Have a great day.@@biohazard_613
I thought a Janitor walked into their rehearsal room and they were all passed out drunk a the Janitor said what a Motley Crue…!!! Just saying😊
After they screwed Mick i gave up on them
How could someone stand onstage and pretend to be playing an instrument? It's so dishonest and it's completely lacking in integrity. Sixx has been at it for decades, if he still doesn't know how to play the instrument, he should retire. Milli Sixx. Nikki Vanilli.
I’d dress like an idiot and stand up there pretending to play bass if I was making the money he is. 🤣
i call him Mikky Suxxx
I tried starting about 3 bands in my life. Its hard to find musicians who aren't hacks and or weirdos. A lot of them are either too obsessed with what the current flavor is or the complete opposite and try too hard create the next big thing but only end up making unlistenable noise. Just my limited experiences
I have a friend that fits the latter. LOL There are times, however, when artists do hit on something and get an original sound. System of a Down, Rob Zombie, Linkin Park, TOOL, Slipknot, Pantera all have distinct sound in my opinion.
Yes!
At 52 year’s old - I continue to thoroughly enjoy gibberish nonsense such as this…thanks mate - the channel (yours) is great fun to visit! 😂
Many thanks!
I think that Motley Crue made 2 good albums. The 1st 2. Otherwise, I couldn't care less. When Nikki auditioned for Quiet Riot, he couldn't tune his bass.
As a guitar/bass player, I can tell you the bass on that record is very easy to play. Damn.
He played on most the stuff- maybe not that album because he was fucked up. He can play- he isn't great but he does know how to play. I can't believe how many people think he can't play at all. He is simply very basic and makes a lot of mistakes
@@earld158 👍
@@earld158he is not a bass player, 13 yo girls can play bass Mikky Suxxx not
One day (soon I hope) The world will recognize that the entire entertainment industry has been playing you since the TV was invented (and even before). WAKE UP! I was in the Girls Girls Girls video and my brother and I got MORE screen time on the first cut of the video than these lame-brains because they were so damn BORING! They even asked my brother to ride (a Harley) the next day because Mick Mars didn't know how to ride. Mick eventually did end up riding, but my point is that it's common practice to misrepresent something on camera just to give the illusion on film. Warrent didn't play their own guitar solos on the first album, Ringo's drums were replaced by Paul - and the list goes on & on. The news media is the WORST! Break away from the matrix... 😉 Think for yourselves! It's all B.S.
It’s definitely all just a bunch of smoke and mirrors
@@BangBang-hk4rg 100%!
Keep your mouth shut about The Beatles because you don't have a clue what your talking about.
I've heard that about warrant. I know a lot of producers used fill ins. I still love the image and the whole scene
@@Karl-ie1oo There is nothing wrong with liking the music! I also enjoy me some hair metal when I'm in the mood. Just know that things are not always what they seem in Tinsel-Town. (And now moving into just about EVERYTHING online as well).
Keep up the great job.
Thanks, will do!
But. Pickle sixx played. The tromboner male sax. And skin flute on all songs on every album
Nikki has always looked like a an actor in a movie miming playing.
I guess it worked out for the guys I'n motley. Leon who? John 5 is not the right guy for that gig. Tracii guns would kill the motley songs. Imo
Rockers who “almost made it” usually have good stories that wind up in documentaries. The Sunset Strip story is pretty epic because it covers a lot of territory. It’s totally possible Werman did mixes with hired guns or Mick Mars overdubbing Nikki’s bass - David Gilmour did that in Pink Floyd, Billy Gibbons did it in ZZ Top, and it’s not that uncommon. Bob Ezrin used Hunter & Wagner on PF,KISS, & Cooper sessions.
Nikkis value is his song writing skills, Tommy was right
But how do you do that if you can't play, write songs I mean...
How...
But what skills if Motley's songs suck, oh yes, girls girls girls, change, now is time for changeee, nothing feels the same,..... Shout at the devil 🤦🏾♂️ wuooo yeiii kickstart my heart etc etc , oh I forgot, without you I feel lost.... 😂😂😂
Nikki didn't have time having to do drug testing.
He tested all the drugs in LA.
He had to make sure all those drugs were safe.
That took some time.
Mikky Suxx is so fake and fraud that he has not even had drug problems in his life, his alleged death was another lie, how are you going to write a diary while high on heroin? Mikky Suxxx is a fake and his followers are retarded
I saw them with Ozzy on the Shout at the Devil tour. I was about 16 and I will say that it was the first time I ever left a concert thinking that was terrible. I went there to see them and was very disappointed. Love your videos!
Saw that show in Buffalo NY. Ozzy was great Crue not so much.
@@joemartucci4786 Portland Oregon here and Ozzy was much better.
Ditto for Boston!👎
It's obvious now that Nikki isn't playing bass. But jeez. He wrote the songs. You'd think he could play bass by now but Paul Stanley makes mistakes all the time live and he's been playing those songs since '73. I saw the TOP tour and I think Nikki was replaced by that Trippe guy for the tour. Just didn't have the star quality on that tour. I think for sure he was replaced live on that tour. Never even thought about it till recently but if you watch TOP footage you can tell it's not Nikki.
Why do people think drug addicts are capable of professionally playing on a record? Why are you surprised to hear that drug addicts and alcoholics didn’t play on the record? You guys know what kind of level of skill it takes to record to tape? A lot of good musicians that you’d think sound just fine live… can’t record to tape. You had to be great not just good. Most of your favorite records have session players on them whether they admit it or not, ESPECIALLY, back in the day when you recorded to tape.
That's kind of ignorant. Plenty of addicted musicians have managed to record, regardless, even if it took them a long time.
what about jaco?
I never got into motley crue at all so this is just me listening to Ralph !!
Shmakamagob !! King Diamond rules !! Stay heavy !!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘
I have been playing bass for a very long time and the only thing I'm accused of is turning up...
Never played a show. Ya, very important in the band’s history
Very interesting story. Its wild how The Dirt was so historically inaccurate. I wonder if the chubby guitarist who was in the room when Mick showed up was supposed to be Tom...?
Rafalito.thats old news..even in Cuba we did know that
Everybody who was involved in those albums under contract, probably signed non-disclosure agreements if they brought in ringers. So to break one of those, you will be facing a lawsuit for a hefty sum.
3:38 mark Tommy Lee wearing a VENOM shirt in the leather jacket n studded belt! THIS WAS the CRUE that "we" were introduced to, obviously....And so, there WAS a "CRUE band", BEFORE Dikki Sticks showed. UP? .....🤔 Huh.. Interesting...😏 GREAT job again HERE! 😎🤘🔥🤘
Once the 3 amigos decided to treat Mick dirty the Band became Mostly Crud! John 5 is an excellent guitarist and a great choice to play the gigs. Mostly Crud should have stayed retired.
Too many sources have said Nikki didn’t play bass on Theater or Girls. Nikki was way too fucked up during this era so I can believe it
He could have played because the bass lines are mediocre at best. Very meat and potatoes. If Sixx was so lame, how come Mick Mars decided to join him? Not defending him at all.
I agree with you, Doc. Leon was being bitter.
😮😮😮😮greg leon has his version because he got fired
Their first few albums are pretty good due to studio trickery, but I wouldn’t pay a dime to see them live (even though they’re evidently not really playing live)
Super informative! I had no idea! Thanks for making this news video!
You bet!
I saw this comin'!..after I heard the interview on Full in Bloom
You can say what you want about Sixx and his bass playing but his biggest and most important asset to the band was/is his songwriting. No other songwriter in the rock genre wrote more hits than he did in the 80s. Without the songs, MC is just another hair band.
And VN is not a singer either but his look and stage persona had the sex appeal to win over the girls. MC always understood this was a business first, and the music is secondary. KISS did the same thing... their entire gimmick was their over the top personas makeup/look and their live shows. They understood that at a very early age because the reality is, if they got up on stage in jeans and t-shirts, no one would have cared about their music because its really not that good... lets be honest. Their biggest hits were written with other songwriters much like Bon Jovi.
This is rock and in rock, looks and attitude come first, then the songs.
MC had all three (looks, attitude, and songs) firing at full speed from 1981 to 1991.
To the bands credit, their 1994 album was great but fans don`t know what good music is and they only wanted VN back which proves my point... fans don`t really know what good music is, but they do want attitude and the look.
Unfortunately, since VN returned, MC has been nothing but a money grab but the fans eat it up anyway.
Keep It Stupid Stupid.
Yeah, but how did he write those songs if he couldn't play a note to save his life...
@@LarryFleetwood8675you’re not a musician I guess… you can write great songs and be a lousy player.
@@ernestbuckley8671 But he's not even a bass player, is he...
@@LarryFleetwood8675he knows enough guitar to write. Sixx IS a songwriter. That has always been his forte.
@@ernestbuckley8671 Funny, because the story goes he brought a guitar to his first audition thinking it's a bass, that's how much he knew about instruments back then. But hey, maybe he's a fast learner... lol
I WONDERED why my favorite Riff DID not once Nikki put on A GUITAR
Wasn't that the time allegedly Matthew Trippe was in the picture? There might be something to it after all.
Why would Tom Werman lie? Well look what happened to Nilli Vanilli when they found out they didn't sing. Do you think Tom Werman would want to end Motley Crue's career? On the other side we have Greg Leon saying he didn't and didn't Matthew Tripp also state Tripp doubled for Nikki when Nikki was too drugged out?
Of course he didn’t. He was so doped out on heroin, remember? His diary says so😂
As a drummer I played with about 25 bands from the late 80's through the length of the 90's. It's a regular thing to have studio drummers for the sake of being efficient for the overall budget. Met Nikki in the 90's once = ick personality.
Why not have Motley Crue change their name to Motley Flu?
Everyone knows you the bass on all the Motley Crue albums ❤
WHAT bass? It's ALWAYS been Tommy Mick and Vince through the speakers. IF there IS ANY bass on THOSE 1st few CRUE records? It is BURIED, in the mix. 🫣
Thanks for the info so tommy is the only original member
Nikki was a full on heroin addict at the time,so it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't play on Theater of Pain
Saw MC in Sacramento in 85. They were a joke. The only real musician on stage was Mick, Nikki just COULD NOT PLAY. It was obvious to anyone that took 4th grade music lessons the Nikki was faking it, just pretending.
We all got to hear Vince's SHRILL voice squeak like a chipmunk getting stomped to death.
I left angry, and to this day, I STILL WANT MY MONEY BACK
Never could stand Sixx
Mathew trippe was the bass player for theatre of pain i bet ya
Motley Crue was closest to being a genuine, credible band from their inception in 1981 up until the release of "Shout At The Devil" in 1983. At the time they'd recaptured the vibe and spirit of early Kiss that the actual Kiss had lost touch with by then. But immediately after success the Crue started to fall apart, Sixx getting himself too strung out to write or play decently, Neil and Lee getting too f***ed up, and so on. Mick Mars was always the most stable, when compared to the others I guess isn't saying much, but still. By the time it came time to record "Theater Of Pain", it's little wonder the only songs anyone remembers are the cover and the ballad. The rest of the album is weak. There probably is some truth that others had to be made to play bass on the record. Before the heroin took hold, Sixx could at least write songs and play basic-bass competently. And I guess he got himself together enough to get through "Girls Girls Girls" and "Dr. Feelgood", neither of which I care for.
Greg was never in Motley. Ever.
Always love Motlie Crue news.
Manythnx 🤘
Ralph, you need to read these a few times before doing your video's. This was still a great news video, but a little hard to follow at times. Peace..
Wouldn’t surprise me at this point. Especially since hearing that Mick hadn’t played on their last few efforts, & he’s the one who can actually play.
Perhaps the engineer or session player who was playing was only playing for certain parts Nikki couldn’t get down, & not the entire record. That would be the more realistic scenario to me.
I’m a pretty solid guitarist & the scrutiny of recording truly magnifies what you need to work on as a player. Keep in mind too, we live in the days of Pro Tools now for production, where you can do all takes you want with the click of the space bar. Think of how scrutinizing the process was back then recording on tape, not too mention the costly rate of the studio itself. You gotta have your chops & stuff down. So considering financial restraints & deadlines, I can totally see some secret personnel doing some stuff behind the curtain.
I swear, I can nail a lick flawlessly over and over until that red “record” light comes on. Then I can’t play it to save my life 🤣
@@BangBang-hk4rgso damn true.
Can that fool really play bass at all?
This is a lie, according to Doc. He said there was no way anyone else played a note on those 1st few albums unless they snuck in from 3 am to 8 am. He said he wasn't great, but he worked very hard to keep getting better. Nikki is an easy target if you want to talk shit about it. He is a huge drama queen...always fighting or talking smack to other bands. He is almost a bigger drama queen than you boneheads on hear talking shit about something you know nothing about. This dude talking smack, the same person who couldn't make it when almost everyone was getting signed? Never heard of this guy until he started spreading lies. There are plenty of things to complain about regarding Nikki...this isn't one of them.
Jeez even Sid actually sort of played live….and bled lol
Heck, it's now coming out that Casper the "Friendly" Ghost was a real dick to the paranormal researchers who discovered him. Talk about ingratitude.
Mars was the only musician in the Crue. I liked old Motley Crue too fast 4 love threw Feelgood. Thats it
As great as the 80s were for music ,heres the hairsprayed,eye lining nail painting non musical pretty boy underside that we hate to acknowledge but we must because of...well chicks ,thats all it is ,you had your lame ass playing male barbies so the girls could be apart of the scene too ,like your with your girl you listen to poison and crue ,get you a piece and soon as she leaves you flush your system out with the best musical drano , Slayer,Anthrax, Metallica and Megadeth and the world was back to normal
Hilarious!
I still love their music but fuck em lol
Weird how he can barely play bass but when you look at the liner notes on the first two albums (the only ones I really care about) just about every song says Music and Lyrics: Nikki Sixx. I wonder how he was writing the music if he can barely play?
That's the million dollar question, yes.
True or not it is humorous listening to all these "never was" musicians suffering from "Mustaine Syndrome" because they either got fired or left a band in 1982 before the band hit it big.
I liked there first couple records but after seeing them live my opinion changed they were really bad it was theatre tour still enjoy there studio albums though
Doesn't Nikki write the lyrics??..I so , Nikki was the right move..
I mean I get his point but it's funny he keeps talking about Nikki bringing him down when he wa sthe one who became rich and famous and nobody knows who Greg is lol. Good thing he didn't hold you back Greg
He was to drugged out to play anything except skin flute. Crue sucks. Seduce rules real musicians.
Any guess who the bass player really was on Theater of Pain?
[Matthew Trippe?]
Your mama
Niki was playing on theater because he was shooting junk for the pain Greg Leon started the rumor nikki was is sister and London both fairly successful with him playing bass
Motley Crue.... I love to hate them! Worst band of all time, IMHO.
Who knows. That being said, Nikki is responsible for a lot of Motley's best (and worse) music as a songwriter.
A songwriter who can't play an instrument, now that's a rare talent...
@@LarryFleetwood8675 He can play, just not very well LMAO. All I was getting at was a lot of people (me included) do like some of what Motley Crue did. I don't like everything or anything passed the Corabi album. Without Nikki Sixx there is no Crue. Some will say that is ok too lol I really liked Too Fast for Love and Shout tho.
who drug who down? lol
Crue sucks..Born Again & sabatage above all.
I've always said I don't know who lies more Nikki Sixx or Joe Biden😅
Of course not , that's been told for years .