The lack of inter-party romance is weird especially here considering how much chemistry is set up between kanji and naoto and yosuke and chie. The only real visible crush in persona 5 is Morgana on Ann. Persona 4 everyone's crushing on everybody. Even your non party social links have crushes on both people in and out of your party. It's a lot more involved but it sadly doesn't go anywhere.
The game tells you during the school trip about Izanagi and Izanami. The Persona games tend to have the MC's persona and the true villain be connected in myth in some way.
@Antman8993 yeah but it's edogawa. Only sm people pay attention to teachers rants 😭. I typically don't but I already knew abt the myth and edogawa's rants are rlly interesting imo
I feel like the primary point of the length of the games is to make you feel settle in with the social sim stuff. Not just characters but the whole calander/daily life aspect. I normally hate pacing issues and long length in game but I'm weirdly okay with it in Persona because I feel like I really lived a whole school year when I get to the end.
The game "ending" 5 times is a real problem though. 5 is better paced in that regard. And then 3 is pretty perfect in its pacing, but suffers from other issues - mostly in the QOL regard.
@@dancinginfernal to be fair, alot of those ending copouts are because of the golden edition (one of the reasons i think p4 vanilla is the better version) but yeah thats doesnt really change the fact that it does have pacing issues lol and i realized that this comment chain was a month ago whoops
@@dancinginfernal disagree with 3 having good pacing, it just didn't suffer from multiple final boss syndrome, the first few months have barely any plot and December feels like padding tbh
@@jamescarrotcsl8 yeah the game gives you a whole month to contemplate over whether or not to fight the fight against Nyx, even though everyone knows to chooses to fight because themes and more content and because its the end if the game the player has done mostly everything except for the social links they need to finish up very boring, 0/10
@@swagguy7515 if december was just the first 10 days where you get to see the effect it has on all the party it would be ok but the fact that its dragged out for a month with nothing to do in tartarus meaning it just becomes "do daytime social links" for a month
I know Joe said that the game shouldn’t be 100 hrs long, but it took me 60 hours to finish it, and I saw another streamer take 40 hrs to beat it. Also, looking forward to seeing how he’ll like the other Persona 5 stuff when he decides to get into it
60~ hours is about normal. I think it's more that Persona 3-5 aren't good streamer games and they're not meant to be, it's a very slow burn type of game where you're supposed to enjoy the moment to moment daily life, so when they stop to talk to chat or reload or make jokes over the course of a 60 hour game that builds up a lot. P5 is probably 70-80, and P3Fes is probably 100+ including the answer I also find it rich that a guy who makes multiple hour+ long reviews for games that do not have anywhere near enough to talk about to justify that is complaining about something being too long lmao
It was a fine playthrough but like, when someone isnt actively making an effort to engage with something you really have to learn to take their opinions with a grain of salt. Theyre gonna come out on the other end with opinions guided by that approach, ans theyre going to be incomplete, theyre going to miss the obvious points, and theyre going to be frustrating, and you really just have to hold that
This was one of the worst playthroughs ever to watch jesus, soooo much complaining and nitpicking it gets to a point where you should just stop playing the game
TBF most of his complaints are very valid; I am genuinely surprised at how meh Persona 4 Golden was after all the praise I've heard. Genuinely, the only great parts are the music and Dojima's confidant and even that confidant was suspect is some places. Joe absolutely saved this playthrough with his humor as well, now that I think about it more, P4 kinda sucks
@@m.czandogg9576 it got pretty annoying tho tbh. I love Joe but he can be a real baby about stuff sometimes. The game was fine, pretty cheesy sometimes but fine. You can't deny he over complained allot, but he does that for every game I've seen him play
The line about adachi helping because ur fighting a woman LMAO
him skipping through shu’s dialogue in the boss fight was the icing on the cake for the asshole run
"Great vegetables" - persona 4
The lack of inter-party romance is weird especially here considering how much chemistry is set up between kanji and naoto and yosuke and chie. The only real visible crush in persona 5 is Morgana on Ann. Persona 4 everyone's crushing on everybody. Even your non party social links have crushes on both people in and out of your party. It's a lot more involved but it sadly doesn't go anywhere.
totally agree tho I guess its realistic that it doesn't really go anywhere tbh the more I think about it
I dobt really see yosuke and chie as a couple they give off more sibling vibes; i think kanji /naoto shouldve happened at least in valentines or smth
@@jamescarrotcsl8 kanji/naoto is so cute and interesting that i don't wanna break them up with the naoto romance route
Persona 4 really did just say "we live in a society"
Basically every persona game says this 😂
Almost wished for nanako to be the true vilian.
Wouldn’t that be a shocking twist 🤣
The true vilian reveal has more impact if you're familiar with Japanese myth.
The game tells you during the school trip about Izanagi and Izanami. The Persona games tend to have the MC's persona and the true villain be connected in myth in some way.
@Antman8993 yeah but it's edogawa. Only sm people pay attention to teachers rants 😭. I typically don't but I already knew abt the myth and edogawa's rants are rlly interesting imo
The persona developers seem to have a very low opinion of "the masses."
This wasn’t just in my recommended, RUclips gave me a notification to recommend me this. You are the algorithm.
I feel like the primary point of the length of the games is to make you feel settle in with the social sim stuff. Not just characters but the whole calander/daily life aspect.
I normally hate pacing issues and long length in game but I'm weirdly okay with it in Persona because I feel like I really lived a whole school year when I get to the end.
The game "ending" 5 times is a real problem though. 5 is better paced in that regard.
And then 3 is pretty perfect in its pacing, but suffers from other issues - mostly in the QOL regard.
@@dancinginfernal to be fair, alot of those ending copouts are because of the golden edition (one of the reasons i think p4 vanilla is the better version) but yeah thats doesnt really change the fact that it does have pacing issues lol and i realized that this comment chain was a month ago whoops
@@dancinginfernal disagree with 3 having good pacing, it just didn't suffer from multiple final boss syndrome, the first few months have barely any plot and December feels like padding tbh
@@jamescarrotcsl8 yeah the game gives you a whole month to contemplate over whether or not to fight the fight against Nyx, even though everyone knows to chooses to fight because themes and more content and because its the end if the game the player has done mostly everything except for the social links they need to finish up
very boring, 0/10
@@swagguy7515 if december was just the first 10 days where you get to see the effect it has on all the party it would be ok but the fact that its dragged out for a month with nothing to do in tartarus meaning it just becomes "do daytime social links" for a month
Oh my god I just watched highlights of p4’s mc from the anime and no joke joe’s asshole jokey run is basically cannon lmao
Finally caught up on all the streams in preparation for the Witcher 3 video to come out next December.
Haha, good one...
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GTA 6 might come out before the release of his TW3 video@@platofellas
Haha...
But it was Ose Joe!
I'm fucking crying at the lvl 90 Ose max asshole run
Izanami drains lightning because Izanagi is a lightning main.
Yes. Also Joe would have done way more damage to Izanami with Mind Charge + Garudyne with Naoto than Megadoleon.
Great playthrough.
I know Joe said that the game shouldn’t be 100 hrs long, but it took me 60 hours to finish it, and I saw another streamer take 40 hrs to beat it. Also, looking forward to seeing how he’ll like the other Persona 5 stuff when he decides to get into it
60~ hours is about normal. I think it's more that Persona 3-5 aren't good streamer games and they're not meant to be, it's a very slow burn type of game where you're supposed to enjoy the moment to moment daily life, so when they stop to talk to chat or reload or make jokes over the course of a 60 hour game that builds up a lot. P5 is probably 70-80, and P3Fes is probably 100+ including the answer
I also find it rich that a guy who makes multiple hour+ long reviews for games that do not have anywhere near enough to talk about to justify that is complaining about something being too long lmao
"Normally, I wouldn't root for you, but you're fighting a woman!"
Finally i made it to the end
5:18:18 but it was for the Right Reasons.
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1:14:21 Goddamnit! The game couldn't resist the degeneracy
1:19:38
I really wanna think that you, refering to a little girl wanting to marry his ''big brother'' as something degenerate is a joke
It was a fine playthrough but like, when someone isnt actively making an effort to engage with something you really have to learn to take their opinions with a grain of salt.
Theyre gonna come out on the other end with opinions guided by that approach, ans theyre going to be incomplete, theyre going to miss the obvious points, and theyre going to be frustrating, and you really just have to hold that
Ai is worst girl on purpose.
This was one of the worst playthroughs ever to watch jesus, soooo much complaining and nitpicking it gets to a point where you should just stop playing the game
Its Cause of Ose!
But here you are
I thought his playthrough was pretty funny. Not everyone has to fawn over persona.
TBF most of his complaints are very valid; I am genuinely surprised at how meh Persona 4 Golden was after all the praise I've heard. Genuinely, the only great parts are the music and Dojima's confidant and even that confidant was suspect is some places.
Joe absolutely saved this playthrough with his humor as well, now that I think about it more, P4 kinda sucks
@@m.czandogg9576 it got pretty annoying tho tbh. I love Joe but he can be a real baby about stuff sometimes. The game was fine, pretty cheesy sometimes but fine. You can't deny he over complained allot, but he does that for every game I've seen him play