My grandpa survived it as well. She was just a kid when it happened, but remembered it vividly. For her whole life she was saying that one soviet is worse than ten nazis, that's how traumatized she was by them
@@kamilaferens682 My polish grandma said the same: "At least the Germans will kill you fast, Russians will torture and rape you for days..." Horrid stories.
My family lived through this. My great-grandfather worked at the local kolkhoz as a security guard, and stole a bag of flour to keep gis wife and my grandmother from starving. Being the kind soul he was, he shared some with his neighbor, who then proceeded to snitch on him to the party. He spent almost a decade in Siberia for it, and never was the same after he returned.
My grandparents lived through this, a few short years later, they were forced into Nazi work camps, fortunately they survived both and made it to America where my mother was born. Thank you for this video.
I see Simon has his own Western liberal agenda, but let me tell something. I hear the truth (for example, indeed there was a famine because of communist brutal/stupid agrarian policy), the untruth (for example, famine 1932-1933 was also to the East of Kharkov in Russia and Kazakhstan) and the half-truth (for example, communists indeed were against Ukranian nationalism, but they were even more against Russian natioalism at the same time) in this video. Why do I think the hunger was not specifically against Ukranians and the Bolsheviks were more rusophobes rather than ukrainophobes? 1. What about ethnicity of the Soviet rulers? Lenin was techincally Russian, but in fact he was a half breed. His father was of Russian and maybe Chuvash (Turkic) or Kalmyk (Mongolic) origin and his mother was of Jewish (from Ukraine) origin by her paternal side and German-Swedish by her mother side. So Lenin was Russian + Jewish + German + Swedish (and probably + Chuvash or Kalmyk). And Stalin was ethnic Georgian. 2. What about their ideology? Lenin and Stalin both were internationalists. Their both spoke against Russian nationalists, they were pro-Ukranian + pro-Belarusian in their political publications. Also like I said, they were against Ukranian and other nationalists, but at the same time they literally wrote in own political articles that all nationalisms indeed are bad, but Russian nationalism is the worst among them. So according to Lenin and Stalin Ukranian (and other non-Russian) nationalism was the lesser evil. 3. What about their actions? Lenin created the Ukranian SSR, gave many lands to this republic and gave to Ukraine (not just to Ukraine of course) the constitutional right to secede from USSR. Also he did the first ukrainisation there in 1920s. Before 20 century new Ukranian identity was weak and without Bolsheviks it probably wouldnt be a thing today, it probably would be a small regional identity now. But Lenin replaced Malorussian identity with Ukranian. There are memoirs of the Ukranian nationalistic military general of Ukranian Peoples Rupublic, where he wrote that in 1917 among several thousand of soldiers from Ukranian/Malorussian provinces only about 5% identified themselves as "Ukranians", the rest identified themselves as "Malorussians" and "Khohols" (vernacular name of people from these regions). And Stalin did the second ukrainisation in Western Ukraine in 1930s. Before 1939 Western Ukraine was uder the Polish rule. According to the Polish 1931 census about 40% of "Ukranian" people ethnically/linguistically still identified themselves not as Ukranians, but as Ruthenians/Rusyns and Poleschuks (Tutejscy). So what did "ukrainophobe" Stalin do, when he conquered Western Ukranian lands? Maybe he created three states: "Ukraine", "Ruthenia", "Polesia"? Or maybe he gave these lands to Russian SFSR? No! He included these lands into Ukranian SSR and made Rusyns and Poleschuks (about half of Poleschuks became Belarusians) part of the Ukranian ethnicity. Soviet Union didnt recognize Rusyns and Poleschuks as separate ethnicities. Even Poles recognized them as independant ethnicities (not because Poles were good people or something, it was just "divide and rule" policy), but not "ukrainophobe" Stalin, who made them Ukranians... Btw Ruthenians/Rusyns are still exist and recognized as separate ethnic group in several European countries (Croatia, Slovakia, Serbia...), they are mentioned in constitutions and/or in laws of those countries. You know what Stalin also did? In 1940s he made Ukraine (with Belarus) a member of the UN. P.S. One more thing. If Stalin for some reason wanted to destroy Ukranians, why did he stop the famine next year?..
I've graduated from a Russian school in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan. I've studied Russian history for five years. They never told us anything about Holodomor at school. They never told us about any of Russian or Soviet atrocities.
I grew up in Armenia. We are taught the same thing about Russia. General population believes Russia is the best country in the world and almost like a saint. But diving into their history I read about things like Circassian genocide, Holodomor, and other similar events. There is many wrong things they have done both to us and other nations.
I grew up in Estonia and only after our independence we heard some historical facts corrected but there was no time to teach everything that was missed. Since Soviet Union was an occupying force (that Kreml still denies) we were never taught it was the greatest place but obviously nothing negative was said.
@@N_0968 Exactly, in my High School in the US we barely learned anything about the Vietnam War. Definitely nothing about the death tolls or war crimes. Unfortunately schools are really no longer trustworthy sources of historical knowledge.
My Grandparents were Holodomor Survivors. Yes they too were traumatized for life. My Grandmother was the only survivor on her side of the familly. Her first born was a girl and the baby starved to death in her arms. She described trying to extract milk from her breasts for the baby but since she was starving there was no milk for the baby either. She went out after dark to secretly bury the baby rather than have the baby taken away on a cart with the other bodies. Still brings ters to my eyes when think about them.
This is so heartbreaking. This story will stay with me I’m sure. May your grandmother and her baby rest in peace. I sincerely hope your family is doing well today and are able to enjoy peace
"This surprised the Bolshevik who thought the peasants would support them!" Mate, you overthrew landlords and aristocracy who overtaxed them, only to flip around and basically take everything they made and maybe give some of it back if you felt like it. If there's a prime loser in communist revolutions it's peasants who were hoping for more freedom and less taxes who instead fought and died only to end up with less than they started with
I mean to be fair the Bolsheviks were already pretty delusional when they split and called themselves the Bolsheviks and their opposition in the party the Mensheviks... Bolshevik and Menshevik literally translated mean Majority and Minority. But the Bolsheviks (the Soviets that followed Lenin) where not the majority of the party, they were just far more aggressive and had people like Trotsky on their side who were trusted by the Provisional Government making the October Revolution taking out the Provisional Government and putting Lenin in Power very easy.
@@CartoonHero1986 So the loud minority then? This is exactly what we're seeing in the West right now. Pissed off brats who shout, scream and cause trouble because they have absolutely nothing USEFUL to offer society. We need to normalize punching people in the face again...It's that simple.
While many people recall Stalin's famine, few remember Lenin's famine. Thank you for this episode and for making such a complex topic accessible. There were so many warring factions that this is no easy feat. Bravo.
@[BosS] HITMAN 20 Ulyanov was not Jewish (although he had some Jewish ancestry via his maternal grandfather); Marx's family had converted to Christianity while he was still young while he himself was a devout anti Semite; and Bronstein dissociated himself from his Jewish roots while his parents were wealthy assimilated Russians. Judaism had zero impact on these men. Dzhugashvili was not at all Jewish. In fact at the time he was radicalized he was studying at an Orthodox seminary as his mother wanted him to be a priest.
"You must understand. The main Bolsheviks who took control of Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred, they tortured and massacred millions of Russians without the shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you in America call the "Russian Revolution". It was an invasion and conquest of the Russian people. More of my compatriots suffered horrible crimes from their bloody hands which no people or nation has ever suffered in the whole of human history. This cannot be underestimated. Bolshevism was the greatest human massacre of all time. The fact that most of ignores this reality is proof that the world's media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators." -Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Please note that Holodomor happened at the same time (1931-32) in Georgia, with at least one million of victims. And then, another Holodomor, almost never talked about - but well known by the survivors and their children and grandchildren - took place from 1947 in what is today the country of Moldova!
My grandfather barley escaped from Chisinau and settled in the west of Romania. I just hate when Americans and westerners are trying to figure out this part of Europe and side with Putin. They simply can't understand how much suffer did russians inflict on all of us. And why none of us wants to deal with Russian ever again
There’s a sign less than a mile from my house saying to remember the holodormor and I’ve been wondering what it meant, thank you for covering it. How very sad….
There's a horrific similarity between what the Holodomor means to Ukraine and the Great Famine, An Gorta Mor, is to Ireland. During my time in Ukraine this year, humanitarian project, I had the honour of paying my respects at the simple memorial of Holodomor in Kyiv. Never forget...
The British government definitely just let An Gorta Mor happen on purpose. It's so infuriating to read about how callous the British ministers and aristocrats were toward people starving to death.
Ukraine has suffered at the hands of many enemies, human, chemical and radiological. Soaked in blood, radioactive fallout and now scared by the bombs of a once so called ally. I hope one day they will find peace and breathe a breath of freedom and peace.
Ukraine's history is why I don't get how anyone believed Russia would be able to just walk in there and meet scant resistance. Ukrainians have lived under some form of oppression for centuries, taking all the hits and horrors that come from being another power's possession. Ukraine might not be perfect itself, but they would much rather oppress and abuse themselves rather than ever allow anyone else to do it to them. I can only imagine hubris and bias as the reasons Putin or any other Russian official would think Ukraine wouldn't cause them to pay with blood for every inch. Even if Ukraine doesn't hold out, even if Ukraine was completely annexed by Russia, Ukrainians would make it painful for as long as it took to become independent again.
@@NakedOwl501 as it stands the Russians can’t even threaten Odessa anymore, and Putin can’t afford to call for a full military mobilization to finish this war. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Ukraine push them back to the borders, unless Belarus gets involved.
@@NakedOwl501 , Estimates are that Russia has lost between 7000 and 15,000 troops already, *in just one month*. They lost 15,000 troops in Afghanistan over the course of ten years. Even if they manage to conquer Ukraine, they're unlikely to be able to control it or administer it. It will descend into guerilla warfare and ultimately cost them far more than Afghanistan did.
my grandma survived this as well. A part of me is glad she passed a few years ago because if she were alive today i know this war and what russian soldiers are doing would have triggered her PTSD. A lot of whats happening now happened to her and it is horrific.
I never could have imagined just how bad it actually got in Ukraine over the last century. Yet, they still continue on. Again, fighting for their lives. They truly deserve to finally be free of Russian oppression for good. Long live Ukraine! 🇺🇦
@Arbane's Sword I hear you, and its a correct observation i guess. But, trying to hold people responsable only bc of their membership ta a certain religious tribe is futile. These people were Sovjet citizen and hired to work out a plan to please Stalin. And many , many people with that particular ethnic background are successful, more so then any other group What story does it tell ? That success is not evenly distributed in all the tribes and people around the world ? I guess its that simple.
I think of the Holodomor every time I hear someone (especially Russian propaganda) saying that Ukraine isn't its own separate nation or Ukrainians aren't a unique people from the Russians. After what the Ukrainian people have been through in their history, much of it at the hands of the Russians, they are most certainly a distinct people with a distinct heritage. They deserve to be able to live peacefully and prosperously in their sovereign homeland. Russia has no right to take that from them. Slava Ukraini! Heroyam slava!
@@steelytemplar Indeed. Russia's official policy is denying facts about the crimes their nation has comitted both in the past as well as present. Slava Ukraini. Heroyam Slava!
@@Primal-Weed The famine in Ireland was caused by Potato Blight that hit Europe. However as Ireland was so dependent on potatoes it hit them worse. Likewise the Indian Famine in the 1940s was caused by a monsoon and the Japanese invasion of Burma cutting off food supplies. Britain arranged for emergency food supplies to be sent from Australia to India.
I know at least in the US, there was a concerted effort by fellow travelers in the media to never criticize the soviets in the early years especially but it continued until the cold war. The new york times won pulitzers for their reporting that no famines were taking place & the Russian system was working well. For ordinary people that was all they knew. We had some information about gulags and bread lines but we didn't really know anything until the iron curtain fell. I grew up in a heavily Eastern European neighborhood and my Ukrainian friends never spoke of home. The Poles did sometimes but it was a combination of longing but gratitude that they got away. I never thought about the difference between them until I started learning about it. I don't blame them for not wanting to talk about it
Was it this? "You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators." ---Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
Thank you for this Simon. This is an important piece to either reaquainte or open people's eyes to. I had relatives that survived the holocaust and moved to South Africa post war and they told me about fleeing Ukraine at that time when the purges started happening to Poland . I also learnt this in school growing up in Holland but that that was 40+ odd years ago. In Australia and I'm sure other "new world" countries, throughout the 80 and 90s (and probably particularly still so in many places), learning history was fairly low on the scale in secondary education so unless people as adults have taken the trouble to find out or utilise history in what they do, they unlikely would know about this. (The net as most people know it hasn't realistically existed as an easy access public tool since 1997 thru 2005 or so depending upon where people grew up). Thanks again for all the fine work you always do. PS. My wife loves your "A casual criminalist" podcasts on spotify.
Yes. I watched the 2019 movie Mr. Jones and this was the first time I had heard of the Holodomor. The cover up by NYTs journalist Walter Duranty was criminal
@@archlich4489 Also that NYT won a Pulitzer for that denial, which tells you about Pulitzer political leanings, and how much that stupid Pulitzer Prize is actually worth.
@@craiga2002 more then that, recently a petition I believe forced them to review Durantys Pulitzer and they left it as is, the current nyt, not people from 80 years ago who are not even alive anymore. Worst newspaper ever and Pulitzer is worthless trash, too.
Thank you, again, for providing me with important, factual information, about something I know so little about. I think this is one of the few videos I've seen you do, in which I can sense your disdain, frustration, anger, and more importantly, your empathy in what you're speaking about. Rock on Fact Boy.
He didn't lol This has to made very clear: The Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33 did in fact happen. The point of contention is that it was not a result of intentional genocide. Here's my response to someone saying it was an intentional genocide. Literally just ask the people there at the time. Not even from the USSR or communists. 1) Then why did it hit parts of Russia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Poland and the EASTERN part of Ukraine where there was and still is a major Russian population? 2) Why did Stalin then send aid from the other republics to relieve the famine? The Uk.S.S.R. received from other republics more than 320,000 tons of grain, in other words, nearly twice as much as the republic ‘exported’, and was authorised to use (from both internal and imported sources) some 520,000 tons of grain as seed, about two‐thirds of total seed loans for the entire Soviet Union.’ 3) Every single source claiming it was an intentional genocide goes back to literal fascists. The Hearst Press run by William Hearst, at the time even known as America's #1 fascist, whose newspaper was bought by non other than Nazi Germany in 1935. They used photos from Thomas Walker who was apparently in Ukraine in 1933/4 though his American colleague in Moscow, Louis Fischer, did some digging and found out he had never passed anywhere near Ukraine and the photos he used were edited photos of people dying in the civil war era famine and WW1 famines. Some photos not even from Russia but from Austro-Hungary. neodemocracy.blogspot.com/2017/12/fraud-famine-and-fascism-hearst-press.html 4) The actual causes are as follows: \-Kulak sabotage(From Professor Scuman who was actually in Ukraine at the time says: "Their \[kulak\] opposition took the initial form of slaughtering their cattle and horses in preference to having them collectivized. The result was a grievous blow to Soviet agriculture, for most of the cattle and horses were owned by the kulaks. Between 1928 and 1933 the number of horses in the USSR declined from almost 30,000,000 to less than 15,000,000; of horned cattle from 70,000,000 (including 31,000,0000 cows) to 38,000,000 (including 20,000,000 cows); of sheep and goats from 147,000,000 to 50,000,000; and of hogs from 20,000,000 to 12,000,000. Soviet rural economy had not recovered from this staggering loss by 1941. ... Some \[kulaks\] murdered officials, set the torch to the property of the collectives, and even burned their own crops and seed grain. More refused to sow or reap, perhaps on the assumption that the authorities would make concessions and would in any case feed them. The aftermath was the "Ukraine famine'' of 1932--33 .... Lurid accounts, mostly fictional, appeared in the Nazi press in Germany and in the Hearst press in the United States, often illustrated with photographs that turned out to have been taken along the Volga in 1921 .... The "famine'' was not, in its later stages, a result of food shortage, despite the sharp reduction of seed grain and harvests flowing from special requisitions in the spring of 1932 which were apparently occasioned by fear of war in Japan. Most of the victims were kulaks who had refused to sow their fields or had destroyed their crops.") \-A drought hit Ukraine 3 years in a row (in his A History of Ukraine, Mikhail Hrushevsky, described by the Nationalists themselves as Ukraine's leading historian, writing of the year 1932, claimed that 'Again a year of drought coincided with chaotic agricultural conditions'. Professor Michael Florinsky, who struggled against the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, noted: \`Severe droughts in 1930 and 1931, especially in the Ukraine, aggravated the plight of farming and created near famine conditions'. ) \-The third cause of the famine was a typhoid epidemic that ravaged Ukraine and North Caucausus. (Dr. Hans Blumenfeld, internationally respected city planner and recipient of the Order of Canada, worked as an architect in Makayevka, Ukraine during the famine. He wrote: \`There is no doubt that the famine claimed many victims. I have no basis on which to estimate their number .... Probably most deaths in 1933 were due to epidemics of typhus, typhoid fever, and dysentery. Waterborne diseases were frequent in Makeyevka; I narrowly survived an attack of typhus fever.' Horsley Grant, the man who made the absurd estimate of 15 million dead under the famine --- 60 per cent of an ethnic Ukrainian population of 25 million in 1932 --- noted at the same time that \`the peak of the typhus epidemic coincided with the famine .... it is not possible to separate which of the two causes was more important in causing casualties.') \-The fourth cause of the famine was the disorder provoked by the reorganization of agriculture and the equally profound upheaval in economic and social relations: lack of experience, improvisation and confusion in orders, lack of preparation and leftist radicalism among some of the poorer peasants and some of the civil servants. (Hans Blumenfeld gives, in his autobiography, a résumé of what he experienced during the famine in Ukraine: "The famine was caused by a conjunction of a number of factors. First, the hot dry summer of 1932, which I had experienced in northern Vyatka, had resulted in crop failure in the semiarid regions of the south. Second, the struggle for collectivization had disrupted agriculture. Collectivization was not an orderly process following bureaucratic rules. It consisted of actions by the poor peasants, encouraged by the Party. The poor peasants were eager to expropriate the kulaks,'' but less eager to organize a cooperative economy. By 1930 the Party had already sent out cadres to stem and correct excesses .... After having exercised restraint in 1930, the Party put on a drive again in 1932. As a result, in that year the kulak economy ceased to produce, and the new collective economy did not yet produce fully. First claim on the inadequate product went to urban industry and to the armed forces; as the future of the entire nation, including the peasants, depended on them, it could hardly be otherwise .... \`In 1933 rainfall was adequate. The Party sent its best cadres to help organize work in the kolkhozes. They succeeded; after the harvest of 1933 the situation improved radically and with amazing speed. I had the feeling that we had been pulling a heavy cart uphill, uncertain if we would succeed; but in the fall of 1933 we had gone over the top and from then on we could move forward at an accelerating pace.' ) And to top it all off here's what the Ukrainian nationalist Isaac Mazepa had to say about it "At first there were disturbances in the kolkhosi \[collective farms\] or else the Communist officials and their agents were killed, but later a system of passive resistance was favored which aimed at the systematic frustration of the Bolsheviks' plans for the sowing and gathering of the harvest .... The catastrophe of 1932 was the hardest blow that Soviet Ukraine had to face since the famine of 1921-- 1922. The autumn and spring sowing campaigns both failed. Whole tracts were left unsown, in addition when the crop was being gathered ... in many areas, especially in the south, 20, 40 and even 50 per cent was left in the fields, and was either not collected at all or was ruined in the threshing." www.greanvillepost.com/2015/08/10/the-holodomor-hoax-joseph-stalins-crime-that-never-took-place/ books.google.rs/books?id=jpv0NICOEb8C&pg=PA157&redir%5C_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false neodemocracy.blogspot.com/2017/12/fraud-famine-and-fascism-hearst-press.html newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tauger-Natural-Disaster-and-Human-Actions-in-the-Soviet-Famine-of-1931-33.pdf?0bbe13&fbclid=IwAR3Ycp%5C_wtlUup8Pei3LnuPB-BGf6MRpiEr7UledZcaZKqGhi1o4x37Z26pw](newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tauger-Natural-Disaster-and-Human-Actions-in-the-Soviet-Famine-of-1931-33.pdf?0bbe13&fbclid=IwAR3Ycp_wtlUup8Pei3LnuPB-BGf6MRpiEr7UledZcaZKqGhi1o4x37Z26pw) "In Search of a Soviet Holocaust. A 55 year old Famine Feeds the Right" Village Voice, 1988 lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v09/n02/j.-arch-getty/starving-the-ukraine msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/ukfaminedocs97.pdf eh.net/book_reviews/the-years-of-hunger-soviet-agriculture-1931-1933/ www.jstor.org/stable/2500600?seq=1 agrarianstudies.macmillan.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/papers/TaugerAgrarianStudies.pdf “Grain Crisis or Famine? The Ukranian State Commission for Aid to Crop-Failure Victims and the Ukranian Famine of 1928-1929.” carlbeckpapers.pitt.edu/ojs/index.php/cbp/article/view/89 www.researchgate.net/publication/236001585_Natural_Disaster_and_Human_Actions_in_the_Soviet_Famine_of_1931-1933_Carl_Beck_Papers_in_Russian_and_East_European_Studies_no_1506_University_of_Pittsburgh_2001 msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/aidtoukraine020733
An important story to help us understand the deep history between Ukraine and Russia, and why Ukraine has every reason to want nothing to do with Russia. And thank you for your closing statement, it was sensitive and on point.
The Holodomor is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. It was not a genocide. The people who propagatecthe Holodomor are holocaust deniers in pretty much every case. Clara Weiss has written numerous articles about why it’s antisemitic to call it genocide.
"You must understand. The main Bolsheviks who took control of Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred, they tortured and massacred millions of Russians without the shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you in America call the "Russian Revolution". It was an invasion and conquest of the Russian people. More of my compatriots suffered horrible crimes from their bloody hands which no people or nation has ever suffered in the whole of human history. This cannot be underestimated. Bolshevism was the greatest human massacre of all time. The fact that most of ignores this reality is proof that the world's media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators." -Alexander Solzhenitsyn
It makes me so angry that after all this suffering, the Ukrainians had to live through the hell of WW2. And the horror of the current war Ukraine 🇺🇦😭😭😭
@@offlinegirl5956 I don't think he's *literally* Hitler, either. I was using that comparison to draw attention to the *blatant* antisemitic tone of his comment.
No one cares about begging Ukraine anymore. Zelensky is a con man and leeching money from europe. I hope Ukraine gets annexxed by russia, once and for All
And it's absurd how many ppl still fall for the Russian propaganda that it was actually the Russian speakers who were discriminated against! Such nonsense. It's always been the Russians who were the ones suppressing the Ukrianians.
I have a friend from Kharkiv. To know more about her cities history makes me understand why she stayed for two weeks when Putin invaded before going to Belarus with part of her family. Thankfully they’re still all ok as of right now. Had to pause this a few times… and ugly cry for a moment when it was done bc this is all so much.
A professor from my university did his study in 2018 on how the real number of Ukrainians starved to death was closer to 7.5 mil than to 3 mil. We attended the international conference in Kyiv where he presented his study. All the professors from other countries (Poland, Germany, Latvia and some other) were laughing at him after his speech and told that was “an interesting interpretation of a famine”… I was so sad and offended for my professor who encouraged us to attend the event just to be embarrassed like that by his European colleagues… He presented really good evidence supporting his “interpretation” actually. Somehow it was normal for them to indirectly deny Holodomor, but they would destroy their reputation if they tried to doubt whether Holocaust happened.
Considering that Europeans have never forgiven the Jews for the Holocaust it's probably not surprising they'd resent Ukraine for showing what decadent rot the 'intellectual class' is...
Or, you know, maybe it was just wrong? Soviet Union was enemy number one for decades, with any possible angle to demonize them used, and even to this day the West tries to stomp their legacy to the ground (not so long EU passed some statement about how USSR was one of reasons the war broke out, but ofc no mention of West's appeasement). If Holodomor was as bad, then it would be known.
That being said, the present Putin should get the Mussolini treatment. Or the Rasputin treatment. Makes more sense seeing as Rasputin was called a devil but Putin actually is one
@Ruán Conán for every soldier in the field, there are half a dozen or more ensuring he has food, intelligence, bullets, and that his logistics network is sound and solid. For an example of what happens when this is not done... well. Just look at Russia right now?
@@BiturixTaranuncnos When was that CIA document about caloric intake written? Oh yea the 1980s. What time period did it look at? Oh yea the 1980s. How much higher was the caloric intake? Oh yea about 200 calories. What do doctors say about caloric intake and average ambient temperature? Oh they say you need a higher caloric intake for lower temperatures. Soviet citizens should have been getting over 3000 cal every day to survive without under-nutrition, their caloric intake was still lower than it should have been, in the 1980s after they had liberalized somewhat. Keep trying to push your bs propaganda and lies of statistics.
🇺🇦❤️🇪🇪My solidarity is with you! I learned about Holodomor when it was mentioned in the Chernobyl series. An Ukrainian expat explained in their own video that it was the wrong region for the character to live through it. Hopefully it inspired people to look up the historic event. Maybe it was added into the dialogue to underline Ukraine’s previous difficulties with Soviet Union.
Thank you. My great grandmother went through this. And through WWII and Nazi work camps after that with her two little children (my grandmother was one of them). After my great grandmother passed away and we started to clean her room, we were shocked to find food hidden everywhere: grains, dried bread, flour... under her bad, in mattress, behind the sofa, among her clothes and even under the floor board. She was afraid of hunger till her last days. My grandmother went through this as well, but she was a 4 years old girl back then, she remembered the horror of wwii and nazi camps much better. She passed away 3 years ago and on February 24 the only thing I was thinking about was "Thank God my grandmother doesn't see this" and it's a terrible thought, but I can’t imagine how she would have lived through another war. And the thing is a lot of elderly people now reliving the horrors from their childhood and it breaks my heart. This and the understanding that my daughter is repeating their fate - child of war.
And this, among other reasons, is why they fight. Back in the early eighties I started going through Soviet history. I'm glad to see you bringing this up.
My home town of Derby quite rightly recognised the Holodomor as a genocide in 2018. It has a large Ukrainian community, and is doing wonders for refugees fleeing Kharkiv and Kyiv. I will never forget what happened in Ukraine
The Holodomor is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. It was not a genocide. The people who propagatecthe Holodomor are holocaust deniers in pretty much every case. Clara Weiss has written numerous articles about why it’s antisemitic to call it genocide.
@@rileygladue3979 Ask a Bengali in the 1940's. Or the Irish in the 1840's. The so‐called Holodomor was not a (deliberate) genocide. This video is, like so many videos sponsored by the propaganda apparatus of the US empire, dangerous nonsense.
@@rileygladue3979Soviets,(that is Stalin) conducting their terror based class warfare against independent and what deemed prosperous peasants + natural causes. The lie here is that Soviet = Russia and that people of non Russian ethnicity were specifically singled out and targeted by "Russians".
This has to made very clear: The Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33 did in fact happen. The point of contention is that it was not a result of intentional genocide. Here's my response to someone saying it was an intentional genocide. Literally just ask the people there at the time. Not even from the USSR or communists. 1) Then why did it hit parts of Russia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Poland and the EASTERN part of Ukraine where there was and still is a major Russian population? 2) Why did Stalin then send aid from the other republics to relieve the famine? The Uk.S.S.R. received from other republics more than 320,000 tons of grain, in other words, nearly twice as much as the republic ‘exported’, and was authorised to use (from both internal and imported sources) some 520,000 tons of grain as seed, about two‐thirds of total seed loans for the entire Soviet Union.’ 3) Every single source claiming it was an intentional genocide goes back to literal fascists. The Hearst Press run by William Hearst, at the time even known as America's #1 fascist, whose newspaper was bought by non other than Nazi Germany in 1935. They used photos from Thomas Walker who was apparently in Ukraine in 1933/4 though his American colleague in Moscow, Louis Fischer, did some digging and found out he had never passed anywhere near Ukraine and the photos he used were edited photos of people dying in the civil war era famine and WW1 famines. Some photos not even from Russia but from Austro-Hungary. neodemocracy.blogspot.com/2017/12/fraud-famine-and-fascism-hearst-press.html 4) The actual causes are as follows: \-Kulak sabotage(From Professor Scuman who was actually in Ukraine at the time says: "Their \[kulak\] opposition took the initial form of slaughtering their cattle and horses in preference to having them collectivized. The result was a grievous blow to Soviet agriculture, for most of the cattle and horses were owned by the kulaks. Between 1928 and 1933 the number of horses in the USSR declined from almost 30,000,000 to less than 15,000,000; of horned cattle from 70,000,000 (including 31,000,0000 cows) to 38,000,000 (including 20,000,000 cows); of sheep and goats from 147,000,000 to 50,000,000; and of hogs from 20,000,000 to 12,000,000. Soviet rural economy had not recovered from this staggering loss by 1941. ... Some \[kulaks\] murdered officials, set the torch to the property of the collectives, and even burned their own crops and seed grain. More refused to sow or reap, perhaps on the assumption that the authorities would make concessions and would in any case feed them. The aftermath was the "Ukraine famine'' of 1932--33 .... Lurid accounts, mostly fictional, appeared in the Nazi press in Germany and in the Hearst press in the United States, often illustrated with photographs that turned out to have been taken along the Volga in 1921 .... The "famine'' was not, in its later stages, a result of food shortage, despite the sharp reduction of seed grain and harvests flowing from special requisitions in the spring of 1932 which were apparently occasioned by fear of war in Japan. Most of the victims were kulaks who had refused to sow their fields or had destroyed their crops.") \-A drought hit Ukraine 3 years in a row (in his A History of Ukraine, Mikhail Hrushevsky, described by the Nationalists themselves as Ukraine's leading historian, writing of the year 1932, claimed that 'Again a year of drought coincided with chaotic agricultural conditions'. Professor Michael Florinsky, who struggled against the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, noted: \`Severe droughts in 1930 and 1931, especially in the Ukraine, aggravated the plight of farming and created near famine conditions'. ) \-The third cause of the famine was a typhoid epidemic that ravaged Ukraine and North Caucausus. (Dr. Hans Blumenfeld, internationally respected city planner and recipient of the Order of Canada, worked as an architect in Makayevka, Ukraine during the famine. He wrote: \`There is no doubt that the famine claimed many victims. I have no basis on which to estimate their number .... Probably most deaths in 1933 were due to epidemics of typhus, typhoid fever, and dysentery. Waterborne diseases were frequent in Makeyevka; I narrowly survived an attack of typhus fever.' Horsley Grant, the man who made the absurd estimate of 15 million dead under the famine --- 60 per cent of an ethnic Ukrainian population of 25 million in 1932 --- noted at the same time that \`the peak of the typhus epidemic coincided with the famine .... it is not possible to separate which of the two causes was more important in causing casualties.') \-The fourth cause of the famine was the disorder provoked by the reorganization of agriculture and the equally profound upheaval in economic and social relations: lack of experience, improvisation and confusion in orders, lack of preparation and leftist radicalism among some of the poorer peasants and some of the civil servants. (Hans Blumenfeld gives, in his autobiography, a résumé of what he experienced during the famine in Ukraine: "The famine was caused by a conjunction of a number of factors. First, the hot dry summer of 1932, which I had experienced in northern Vyatka, had resulted in crop failure in the semiarid regions of the south. Second, the struggle for collectivization had disrupted agriculture. Collectivization was not an orderly process following bureaucratic rules. It consisted of actions by the poor peasants, encouraged by the Party. The poor peasants were eager to expropriate the kulaks,'' but less eager to organize a cooperative economy. By 1930 the Party had already sent out cadres to stem and correct excesses .... After having exercised restraint in 1930, the Party put on a drive again in 1932. As a result, in that year the kulak economy ceased to produce, and the new collective economy did not yet produce fully. First claim on the inadequate product went to urban industry and to the armed forces; as the future of the entire nation, including the peasants, depended on them, it could hardly be otherwise .... \`In 1933 rainfall was adequate. The Party sent its best cadres to help organize work in the kolkhozes. They succeeded; after the harvest of 1933 the situation improved radically and with amazing speed. I had the feeling that we had been pulling a heavy cart uphill, uncertain if we would succeed; but in the fall of 1933 we had gone over the top and from then on we could move forward at an accelerating pace.' ) And to top it all off here's what the Ukrainian nationalist Isaac Mazepa had to say about it "At first there were disturbances in the kolkhosi \[collective farms\] or else the Communist officials and their agents were killed, but later a system of passive resistance was favored which aimed at the systematic frustration of the Bolsheviks' plans for the sowing and gathering of the harvest .... The catastrophe of 1932 was the hardest blow that Soviet Ukraine had to face since the famine of 1921-- 1922. The autumn and spring sowing campaigns both failed. Whole tracts were left unsown, in addition when the crop was being gathered ... in many areas, especially in the south, 20, 40 and even 50 per cent was left in the fields, and was either not collected at all or was ruined in the threshing." www.greanvillepost.com/2015/08/10/the-holodomor-hoax-joseph-stalins-crime-that-never-took-place/ books.google.rs/books?id=jpv0NICOEb8C&pg=PA157&redir%5C_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false neodemocracy.blogspot.com/2017/12/fraud-famine-and-fascism-hearst-press.html newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tauger-Natural-Disaster-and-Human-Actions-in-the-Soviet-Famine-of-1931-33.pdf?0bbe13&fbclid=IwAR3Ycp%5C_wtlUup8Pei3LnuPB-BGf6MRpiEr7UledZcaZKqGhi1o4x37Z26pw](newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tauger-Natural-Disaster-and-Human-Actions-in-the-Soviet-Famine-of-1931-33.pdf?0bbe13&fbclid=IwAR3Ycp_wtlUup8Pei3LnuPB-BGf6MRpiEr7UledZcaZKqGhi1o4x37Z26pw) "In Search of a Soviet Holocaust. A 55 year old Famine Feeds the Right" Village Voice, 1988 lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v09/n02/j.-arch-getty/starving-the-ukraine msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/ukfaminedocs97.pdf eh.net/book_reviews/the-years-of-hunger-soviet-agriculture-1931-1933/ www.jstor.org/stable/2500600?seq=1 agrarianstudies.macmillan.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/papers/TaugerAgrarianStudies.pdf “Grain Crisis or Famine? The Ukranian State Commission for Aid to Crop-Failure Victims and the Ukranian Famine of 1928-1929.” carlbeckpapers.pitt.edu/ojs/index.php/cbp/article/view/89 www.researchgate.net/publication/236001585_Natural_Disaster_and_Human_Actions_in_the_Soviet_Famine_of_1931-1933_Carl_Beck_Papers_in_Russian_and_East_European_Studies_no_1506_University_of_Pittsburgh_2001 msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/aidtoukraine020733
It's not wise to trust Anne Applebaum on anything. She wrote an article where she defends Pinochet for giving up power after losing a referendum which not only is ridiculous on it's own since he had promised that there wouldn't even be a referendum and that he would step down after his term ended, but we also know that he didn't want to respect the results and only did it because the rest of the military forced him to. Case in point, the much much much more deadlier military government of Argentina gave up power easier than Pinochet did.
All the trendy western neo-communists that hang a hammer and sickle poster in their room and talk about the evils of capitalism should be given an extensive course in Soviet history.
You forgot to mention that 4-8 million Ukrainians died and throughout the rest of the entire Russian Empire around (only) 900k died of famine. That one stat tells the whole story from beginning to end:
A horrific reality is this STILL has not ended in Russia even today. If you look at the extreme difference in Quality of Life for the Average Russian living in the Western parts of Russia closer to Moscow and Europe compared to those living in the more rural and isolated Central and Eastern parts of Russia. I think that is mainly why Putin and Moscow are so worried about "Western influence" in Ukraine because it puts more pressure on Moscow to take care of problems they can't afford to fix and keep manipulating their economy to make the Oligarchs rich and powerful. It's in reality less a fear of the West and NATO like they claim and more a fear of the Developed Modern World approaching their South Eastern borders affecting the wealth's bottom line back in Moscow.
Even Ukrainian official sources say this is false. About the same people died I other SSRs as in Ukraine itself. Which is still a solid message given they did produced the food. But saying Ukrainians were only victims is simply false. Also the Russian empire did not exist anymore at this point because of time.
My ex-husband's grandfather, he died in 1973 therefore this is a theory his family supports, left Russia (Ukraine) sometime prior to 1933. Ended up in Serbia, married my ex-husband's grandma, lost 3 kids to starvation and illness due to WW2 before immigrating with his 3 surviving kids (including my ex-mother in law) in 1951.
Hell of a thing to go through. With history now repeating itself before our very incredulous eyes, at the hands of a nation and a man that should bloody well know better? THAT is entirely unforgivable.
You meant "left the Soviet Union (Ukraine)", right? Cause Ukraine was never part of Russia. I don't mean to be rude, it's just important to phrase this correctly. Thank you.
Whenever I hear a young person extolling the virtues of communism, I say, “tell it to the Kulaks.” Most such young people have never heard the therm, and those who have deny both the scale and the intentionality of the famine. These are typically young people who despise oppression in general.
They did the same in Estonia, anyone with property was sent to Siberia. Housing, farming, milk production etc was made communal. My grandmother told me about having to give the family’s cows to the collective farm and how sad they were. One cow per family was allowed as far as I remember but party officials kept more.
That's really one of the major issues. Communism certainly has a few viable ideas, but as a whole it is not a sustainable system, it is far too vulnerable to extremist takeovers, cover-ups for ethnic violence and the attempted relativization of atrocities. Communist states also tend to be too nationalist for their own good, being way too eager to prove themselves to the capitalist world and in their eagerness, completely losing track of their priorities.
Yeah. We will never see communism actually work. There's always people who turn it to their personal playground. The idea is not really that bad, but people will turn it to shit every time. Social democracy is the way to go. For now at least. Let's give everyone the basics, but also allow people to thrive if they have something that might make them rich
Its good that these things are remembered so maybe in the future they won't be repeated. Unbelievably there are those who still deny this or even the holocaust. ☹
The Holodomor is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. It was not a genocide. The people who propagatecthe Holodomor are holocaust deniers in pretty much every case. Clara Weiss has written numerous articles about why it’s antisemitic to call it genocide. How dare you compare neo Nazi propaganda to the holocaust of more than 6 million Jews like seriously???
@@irvangb94 Jewish writer Clara Weiss has already shown that belief in the holodomor is antisemitic. Nobody denies people died in the famine but to compare it to the death of Jews let alone the death of six million is outrageous and antisemitic. The holocaust and uniquely Jewish event and antisemitic attempts to compare it to mere hunger will not work. The Chosen People will not allow you to undermine the memory of the holocaust!
I was 5th or 6th grader when I got a history class assignment to study the Holodomor. Our teacher told there's an older lady from Vinnytsia region just a block away from our gymnasium that survived the entire thing. We called her and later that day visited her and she told us some horrible things. I remember myself 9 or 10 yo crying silently while listening attentively to her story. I live in a Western region of Ukraine that joined soviet union later after the famine, so we weren't affected and share no stories about it. But the old lady's story was just unbearably painful. It's probably the first time in my life I truly imagined and realized how much of horrible pain people can suffer.
Wow. That's some of the most sadistic sh*t I've ever heard. History, although full of unimaginable death, suffering and dispair, SHOULD be remembered. Especially the really hard stuff to stomach. This hurt my soul a bit actually.
Remembering and actually understanding our history, Especially the worst parts, is how we can (hopefully) prevent it from repeating itself, and actually move forward and prosper as humans.
@@lilandry Simon has a million channels, nobody could be expected to watch them all. If he felt that it was a genocide, this would be the perfect place to say so
Hearing stories of so many horrible manmade accidents and disasters the USSR tried covering up, I don't blame Ukraine for wanting to be distant from Russia today.
And can you imagine that we didn’t just start wanting it on February 24, but hundreds of years ago. We were never okay with them. Russia’s threats and corrupt leaders led the government, people constantly wanted to be in EU. Russia just fears us to be in a better place. Live better. That’s the entire reason. Jealousy is jealousy, hatred that we are a strong, patriotic nation, simply consisting of people like me who just loves their country and land so very much. Ukraine will never be russia!!!
@@yls0540 What I find so dumb is apparently Putin can't come up with a better excuse than "The US is going to set up missiles on our border!" 1) The US has missiles that can cross an ocean, fighter jets that can carry bombs, drones, what have you - they don't NEED to set up missiles on the Russian border. 2) There's no way the US would ever be stupid enough to attack Russia (at least now that Trump is no longer in office) because of the same reason why the Cold War ended: mutually assured destruction is still just as real now as it was then, and everyone knows that if Russia goes down it will take the rest of the world down with it. Sure, the US *wants* to take down Russia. But they can't, and they know it. They're not North Korea. They're not gonna fly a little nuke over Russian territory just to see if they get a reaction. Putin should just be honest: Ukraine and the other buffer nations between Russia and the rest of the world have always belonged to Russia in Putin's mind, ever since he came to power, and he wants to keep it that way. Why else would he break out the "Kievan Rus" argument? In his eyes, Ukraine is another toy he owns, and was a part of Russia in everything but name up until this year. Now the toy has decided to run away - Ukraine was about to take the last step to truly becoming independent from Russia - and he can't stand that. Rock on, Ukraine. (Just to be clear when I mention the names of countries like the US and Russia I'm always talking about the governments, not the people)
The Soviet Union: "Nationalism is a threat to the workers!" Also the Soviet Union when said workers are starving: "You're Ukrainian you stay in Ukraine"
it always blow my mind how this event among so many in history are rarely talked about. It's as to believe people think the only bad thing that happened in the 20th was during ww2. I didnt learn any of this, basically genocide, until I took interest in history after graduating. School never mention anything about either the soviet famines nor Mao's great famine.
It's not that it was deliberate. We know so much about Nazi atrocities because a) we fought them directly, b) they took meticulous records, and c) they were defeated. The Soviet and Mao regimes did not suffer defeat, did not take records, and essentially led secret societies.
@@crhu319 yup! my grandma was a german mennonite born in ukraine at that time, she was also taken to siberia but she eventually escape with her life. But she told me many many horros stories of what russian soldiers all did to her and her family...very similar as to what is happening now.
Thank you Simon for this video from the bottom of my Ukrainian heart. My grandmother was living through this horrible time of the Soviet regime in Ukraine. My grandfather was sentenced to 20 years in a gulag in the Russian city of Vorcuta. He was very lucky to come back home and get rehabilitated in 1953 after Stalin's death after 12 years of his prison term. Both my grandparents used to talk about those dreadful years of inhumane Soviet regime with horror. They taught us to never throw away stale bread even during more prosperous years. Never again should this happen in the history of human kind. That is why it is so crucially important for the West to support Ukraine in its war with Russia.
@Commander Russian Waifu An ethnic or economic group targeted for death, in this case by starvation. Pretty sure that qualifies as a genocide. Historians need to stop kissing socialist ass.
With the current events going on in Ukraine we could see a major disruption in grain supply globally. While it may not be on the scale of the Holodomor, millions could still suffer both in Ukraine and elsewhere that rely on their exports.
I'm in the egg industry in the US. We are already seeing increased prices for feed ingredients. Poultry and meat product prices will increase soon in the US.
Ukraine is the world's 5th largest producer of wheat. Russia is the 2nd largest. Russian control of that much wheat will allow them to control global wheat prices and could lead to starvation, or at the very least, rising food prices and massive economic instability for the rest of the world. Ukraine also has proven reserves of oil and gas in at least 3 regions. Putin may be attempting to sell this invasion to the Russian people by appealing to their nationalist pride and a promise to return Russia to it's "past glory" (gee, where have we seen that tactic being used recently 🤔?), but his end game is to exert economic pressure so that he and his rich cohorts can cement their power and become even richer. This isn't "communism", it's Capitalism.
Yemen is entering it's 9th year of conflict and the UN fundraising goals have not been close to being met. The same holds true for Afghanistan and for the Tigray region of Ethiopa. People will needlessly starve because of this war. If you read this and can donate, please do. The Houthi people especially are caught between a rock and a hard place.
@@goodun2974 ^ It's not about past glory. If you want to know how Putin is selling the war, listed to the man himself. His whole speech on day of Ukraine invasion (translated into English) is on youtube: ruclips.net/video/1qS6J-WbTD8/видео.html
@@horkhorkiI also used to think before that "the Jews are behind it". But reading and studying history made me not believe in this antisemitic rubbish anymore. Now I know that the russians were and are responsible for it. Every archival document shows that (and as an archivist, it's my duty to stick to the archives).
My grandma lived through this hell. On the remembrance day we never eat in memory of the victims of the holodomor. She recalled how russians came to her village taking every single grain and crumb, how women were raped and men were killed if they refused to give away food they had…..
This post is exceptional Simon. Many thanks for the research and talent that went into it. My heart breaks for the Ukraine citizens. This brought me much insight to the history of a young nation. Thank you for this timely presentation.
@@lilandry I meant the country is young in it state of independence. Ukraine as an independent country is young with an intense lengthy history under control of others. So very impressed with it's resilience.
@@gwynmartin5004 Yes, we got independence again only after somewhere around 700 years and on fifth time proclaiming it. So yes, modern Ukraine are turned 30 last year.
Oh man, I was already feeling bad for Ukrainians and now even more so. I had heard of the Holodomor but I only had a vague idea of what it was. Thanks Simon for casting a light on this dark part of history.
Unfortunately, our history was always never brought to light like for others, let’s say, the Holocaust. I really hope that people now realize who the russians are and what they have been doing to us over hundreds of years. It is so very important to stand with us, stand with Ukraine. We will always be thankful. Our land will always exist💙💛💙💛💙💛
The Holodomor is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. It was not a genocide. The people who propagatecthe Holodomor are holocaust deniers in pretty much every case. Clara Weiss has written numerous articles about why it’s antisemitic to call it genocide.
Similar thing happened in Hungary in the early 1950's. It called "padlásseprés" which means "sweeping off the attic" , because the communist government of Rákosi, Gerő,Nagy Imre,etc.. took literally everything from the people of rural Hungary. Animals,pillows,blankets,jams,compot,meats,everything.Even they sweeped off the attic to the last ceed, where its name from. It didn't cause this kind of huge famine and horror like the Holodomor, but caused many problems and deaths in society which lead to the revolution of 1956. It's a shame the soviet tanks turned that revolution into bloodbath,and same happened to the 1848-1849 hungarian revolution as well. The tsarian Russia made a bloodbath along with Habsburgs. And the same during the red terror in 1919. 😞 The communist were the devil himself, no doubt about that.And a reminder to everybody: russians are not our friend...
My mom told me stories of my great grandma spending 12 hour shifts at the docks with handful of grain in her boots so she could bring it back home to her kids to feed them. If she would’ve been caught “stealing” the grain they probably would’ve killed her. My grandma never talked about it, she would only get very nervous when I tried to throw away stale bread. Mom to this day scolds me for throwing away food. Generational trauma is no joke. Thank you very much for brining light to our painful history.
Yes it is true, more than a million of Ukrainians left to Canada because of soviet oppressions. Also there was a forcefully removal of a million Ukrainians to Kazakhstan.
It REALLY didn't help the USSR that Stalin was pretty much a stubborn dimwit that fell for a lot of pseudoscience from con men with simple solutions (that didn't work). Look into the history of people like Trofim Lysenko's direct influence over Stalin which was a major factor in what was responsible for how bad and long term the USSR's Famine lasted, they've even covered one of the more famous cases of him using Stalin to disappear his opposition with the story of Nikolai Vavilov who spoke out against Lysenko's pseudoscience in an episode of COSMOS Possible Worlds.
What a harrowing yet poignant picture you have painted. This doesn't just tell the story of Ukraine's painful past but of the strength and determination of a people who never give up. The world has now seen that courage first hand. The utter devastation inflicted hasnt dampened their resolve..In fact that resolution has spread throughout the land.. resonating within the hearts of the world. We stand together with Ukraine and her democracy. Together we will see a beautiful country rise above the ashes.. just as the mighty phoenix does.. spreading her wings of inspiration and freedom into the future.
No. This country, whether it wins or not, will be a complete mess for many decades. They are still the same people who, pretty much, are ok with living in a country that is a mess. They expect the state to provide; not themselves.
@@brett4264 You are incorrect. We always do everything that needed to be prosperous, even before our government think about it. Rebuild will be made quickly, people just start do it themselves, someone would make a clean up, someone would bring a concrete, someone would build a new school.
What I don't get are why the conservatives in the US are siding with Putin. The right leaning pundits to actual representatives and are saying Ukraine are the aggressors and Nazis.
Many of the same graphics were shown that the three other channel's, that I've seen, showed in their rendition of the Holodomor recently. Holodomor is a popular subject of YT videos lately.
So you’re starting to see the narrative in action… much like the ‘matrix’ code lol… good luck trying to go back to sleep and enjoying RUclips, TV, movies & music etc. as the narratives becomes even more obvious…
@@-Awareness My man. The news ALWAYS regurgitates old stories related to current events, it's done it for as long as humans have been able to connect dots. This is not some grand awakening that has shocked me to my core.
I don't want to make light out of such dark content but I have to comment that this is your best channel yet Simon. These are stories that simply must be heard and you tell them with such empathy and emotion, the execution of which is admirable. You do our generation a great and just service with these historical reflections of humanity's past transgressions, that no television shall show nor schoolbook dare teach.
While a good video, you forgot (the later Pulitzer-prize winning) Walter Duranty, quite possibly one of the most cynical "Western" "journalists" who not only denied the Holodomor but wrote about it: "These conditions are bad, but there is no famine" and "But - to put it brutally - you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs." Also, let us not forget Gareth Jones, who did publish all the horribleness - often finding himself within situations that would nearly cost him his life weren't he such a pugnacious character - sadly in a newspaper that did not matter at that that time. To everybody interested in this topic I can only recommend reading Anne Applebaum's "Red Famine" as a first glimpse on how just how horrible this time was. What can we learn from all that? Maybe that we should pay attention to the angry guys on the ground? That industrialization means nothing if all the potential workers starve? I am unsure.
Ah yes, the prize-winning writers and journalists who swallowed the Soviet lie hook, line and sinker; and who, when the whole edifice finally came crashing down, and the records were opened and the lies exposed ..., simply said "let's move on from this"
@@morganmcallister2001 , Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh similarly praised Hitler and the Nazi regime, prior to World War II. The Koch brother's father sold oil refining technology to both the Nazis and the Soviets prior to the war.
This ought to be taught in public schools in the U.S. Most people in the US think that the only people in history to cause suffering on this scale were the Nazi's and American slave owners. People have such a lack of historical context, they are ignorant of how prevalent genocide and slavery was throughout the world in all cultures, and even worse; people fail to realize that this is still happening in Africa and the Middle East. It could potentially happen in western countries as well.
this makes no sense to me when people say this. Wouldn't the US want to highlight Communist atrocities, especially during the Cold War? Its not like this infoprmation is hidden or censored. You can't expect to learn about every single historical event in your public school history classes. Read a book or go online, its all free information.
@@GooseGumlizzardThe Cold War is over and people, especially the youth are lazy and easily manipulated. You have no idea how many idiots I’ve seen either pretend this never happened and call it CIA propaganda or blame it all on the kulaks. They need to be taught about this
Thank you very much for educational opportunities like this one . A perfect example on why local media is almost obsolete . You've summarized highlights and brought this invasion even more into perspective while raising more questions simultaneously . Now we see how Ukrainians have become the courageous and brave people that they are . Peace to them and may God Bless from 🇺🇸 Florida !!!!!
There has never been a single famous "good" Communist. Karl Marx was a piece of work, every other communist killed so many people it is nothing more than a statistic.
I tell you people I didn’t want to watch this video at first but slowly and surely as the video continued I said to myself I need to watch this and I had to exercise while I was doing it to hold back the anxiety. This really does add such a horrible context to Howell Russia has treated Ukraine. And right now one of those same monsters is leading Russia. We cannot allow those monsters to stand for this.
I'm Chinese. Almost 30 years after this, Nikita Khrushchev tried to tell Mao not to do the Great Leap Forward, but Mao refused to listen. My grand father who was a professor also criticized the obviously crazy plan and for that he was imprisoned for more than 10 years. The Chinese famine of the 1958-62 played out exactly the same way, collective farming, food exported, food taken away from the farmers to keep cities alive. Outside of the cities, people ate grass, tree barks, clay, even other people. 45 million Chinese died in the almost exact the same way Ukrainians did 30 year before. Mao was the only person in China who grew fat during that time.
This is, yet again, something that we should've learned about in school. I've heard you mention the Holodomor in other videos, so thank you for highlighting this little known history. Well done Simon and team! We stand with the people of Ukraine and I'm sure that we'll see the incredibly brave and determined Ukrainian democracy rise above this horrendously unjust war perpetuated by Putin. They need more help though!!
Looks like only ordinary people are supporting us, well there is Poland, Czech Republic, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia who give some support like taking refugees, but others looks like they waiting that we save them form bloody dictator. Look on a map and you'll see that we have more longitude of border with enemy and so small on the west with friendly Poland. But we are fighting for our freedom, our democracy(which actually finally working) and our right to live, so far we kicking ass to invaders.
bro wtf, i've seen lots of horror, creepypasta, and psychological videos in my time on the internet but this is the first time i've ACTUALLY shivered wtf
Stalin's mass famine of 1932-33 was NOT exclusive to Ukraine. For example, over 1 million people starved in Kazakhstan, and over 2 million starved in Russia. The Holodomor was NOT a genocide, but a politicide. For example, as I mentioned above, Ukrainians weren't the only people starved by Stalin and those who starved were the farmers and their families who wouldn't join the Soviet Collective farms, thus it was a political murder not an ethnic murder. It's intellectually dishonest to say that Stalin exclusively starved Ukrainians because Kazaks & Russians were starved in the millions too!
They were peasant farmers who largely spoke Ukrainian and put in context with the assault on Ukrainian academics and intelligence and Ukrainian identity idk … im Leaning on genocide lately.
@@bentrinker1937 So you’re denying the fact that over 2 million Russian farmers and 1 million Kazak farmers were also murdered during the Holodomor? It appears mate you’re trying to re write history and say it was exclusively done to the Ukrainians.
@@maxsportsman2416 what is your point? Are you asking me do the deaths of more farmers in other places make the Holodomor worse or am I denying them which I’m not? I feel like that would just go to show that the Soviet union was an even worse state, and than people give it credit for being. So I’d ask again what it ur point?
@@bentrinker1937 You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said that the famine deaths in one country are more important than the deaths in the other country. I was simply stating that the Holodomor famine was not exclusive to Ukrainian peasant farmers but also to ANY FARMERS WHO REFUSED to join the Soviet Collective Farms. For example, over one million Kazak and over two million Russian farmers were starved during the Holodomor. So to claim that the Holodomor exclusively murdered Ukrainians is a terrible lie.
The fact that many of my peers are calling themselves “communists” is a sad reality. It’s like saying you’re a nazi. My grandparents narrowly escaped communist China and know firsthand the dangers of communism.
I had a chance to talk about The Holodomor with both of my grandmas. They were kids at that time. My fathers mom said a lot of people died when they eat "the bread" made from milled river plants for the first time, she said some river plants are edible but if you was starving for months you have to eat bit by a bit. She showed me photos with many relatives (her father, mother uncles and aunts with her cousins), Families were big at that time and added that only she and her older sister survived. My grandma said that Bolsheviks took all the food from her family and people were not allowed to go to pick up firewood to the forest or go to the river, her father had to do it secretly at night, her mother (my grand grand mom) died first, she was giving all the food they were able to find to the kids and her father was caught almost at the end, just before Stalin decided to return grain they took back to Ukraine. I was shocked. IMO Putin just wants to repeat what Stalin did before, he calls it to solve [Ukrainian] question, replace with your nation in brackets.
I don’t think we can gloss over the effect of persecuting the kulaks. For the most part they got to be richer than their neighbors by being more efficient and productive than their neighbors. Get rid of them and you’re guaranteed to have a bad harvest.
@@konstantinkelekhsaev302 A farmer that had on average 2 acres of land and employed a handful of people to help with the harvest. You are the only one who appears not to know what a Kulak is, or know anything else for that matter.
@@99EKjohn Good Lord You Are A Dummy. Even the poorest peasant households pre revolution had around 2 tithe (5.4 acres) land allotment. Was Everyone A Kulak Back Then ?
My grandmom lived though this as a kid. She remembered the horrors until her very death, this scarred her more than WW2 did.
Sorry she had to go through that hell
I am so sorry she had to live through that, and I hope that her later years were more peaceful.
Much praise to the elders and ancestors 🙏 🙌 ❤
My grandpa survived it as well. She was just a kid when it happened, but remembered it vividly. For her whole life she was saying that one soviet is worse than ten nazis, that's how traumatized she was by them
@@kamilaferens682 My polish grandma said the same: "At least the Germans will kill you fast, Russians will torture and rape you for days..." Horrid stories.
My family lived through this. My great-grandfather worked at the local kolkhoz as a security guard, and stole a bag of flour to keep gis wife and my grandmother from starving. Being the kind soul he was, he shared some with his neighbor, who then proceeded to snitch on him to the party. He spent almost a decade in Siberia for it, and never was the same after he returned.
It's fascinating to watch the GOP just straight up become Russian assets.
My grandparents lived through this, a few short years later, they were forced into Nazi work camps, fortunately they survived both and made it to America where my mother was born. Thank you for this video.
Either the luckiest or unluckiest
Sorry about what happened to ur grandparents bro but if I were in that situation I would’ve simply just said no
Mine moved too Belorussia. Then Canada.
@@urmomlikesitruff5064 If they did refuse they would have been killed… bro.
I see Simon has his own Western liberal agenda, but let me tell something. I hear the truth (for example, indeed there was a famine because of communist brutal/stupid agrarian policy), the untruth (for example, famine 1932-1933 was also to the East of Kharkov in Russia and Kazakhstan) and the half-truth (for example, communists indeed were against Ukranian nationalism, but they were even more against Russian natioalism at the same time) in this video. Why do I think the hunger was not specifically against Ukranians and the Bolsheviks were more rusophobes rather than ukrainophobes? 1. What about ethnicity of the Soviet rulers? Lenin was techincally Russian, but in fact he was a half breed. His father was of Russian and maybe Chuvash (Turkic) or Kalmyk (Mongolic) origin and his mother was of Jewish (from Ukraine) origin by her paternal side and German-Swedish by her mother side. So Lenin was Russian + Jewish + German + Swedish (and probably + Chuvash or Kalmyk). And Stalin was ethnic Georgian.
2. What about their ideology? Lenin and Stalin both were internationalists. Their both spoke against Russian nationalists, they were pro-Ukranian + pro-Belarusian in their political publications. Also like I said, they were against Ukranian and other nationalists, but at the same time they literally wrote in own political articles that all nationalisms indeed are bad, but Russian nationalism is the worst among them. So according to Lenin and Stalin Ukranian (and other non-Russian) nationalism was the lesser evil.
3. What about their actions? Lenin created the Ukranian SSR, gave many lands to this republic and gave to Ukraine (not just to Ukraine of course) the constitutional right to secede from USSR. Also he did the first ukrainisation there in 1920s. Before 20 century new Ukranian identity was weak and without Bolsheviks it probably wouldnt be a thing today, it probably would be a small regional identity now. But Lenin replaced Malorussian identity with Ukranian. There are memoirs of the Ukranian nationalistic military general of Ukranian Peoples Rupublic, where he wrote that in 1917 among several thousand of soldiers from Ukranian/Malorussian provinces only about 5% identified themselves as "Ukranians", the rest identified themselves as "Malorussians" and "Khohols" (vernacular name of people from these regions). And Stalin did the second ukrainisation in Western Ukraine in 1930s. Before 1939 Western Ukraine was uder the Polish rule. According to the Polish 1931 census about 40% of "Ukranian" people ethnically/linguistically still identified themselves not as Ukranians, but as Ruthenians/Rusyns and Poleschuks (Tutejscy). So what did "ukrainophobe" Stalin do, when he conquered Western Ukranian lands? Maybe he created three states: "Ukraine", "Ruthenia", "Polesia"? Or maybe he gave these lands to Russian SFSR? No! He included these lands into Ukranian SSR and made Rusyns and Poleschuks (about half of Poleschuks became Belarusians) part of the Ukranian ethnicity. Soviet Union didnt recognize Rusyns and Poleschuks as separate ethnicities. Even Poles recognized them as independant ethnicities (not because Poles were good people or something, it was just "divide and rule" policy), but not "ukrainophobe" Stalin, who made them Ukranians... Btw Ruthenians/Rusyns are still exist and recognized as separate ethnic group in several European countries (Croatia, Slovakia, Serbia...), they are mentioned in constitutions and/or in laws of those countries. You know what Stalin also did? In 1940s he made Ukraine (with Belarus) a member of the UN.
P.S. One more thing. If Stalin for some reason wanted to destroy Ukranians, why did he stop the famine next year?..
I've graduated from a Russian school in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan. I've studied Russian history for five years. They never told us anything about Holodomor at school. They never told us about any of Russian or Soviet atrocities.
I grew up in Armenia. We are taught the same thing about Russia. General population believes Russia is the best country in the world and almost like a saint. But diving into their history I read about things like Circassian genocide, Holodomor, and other similar events. There is many wrong things they have done both to us and other nations.
I grew up in Estonia and only after our independence we heard some historical facts corrected but there was no time to teach everything that was missed. Since Soviet Union was an occupying force (that Kreml still denies) we were never taught it was the greatest place but obviously nothing negative was said.
And this surprises you?
@@barneymiller7894 No. Obviously they had the power and told the history in their own way.
@@N_0968 Exactly, in my High School in the US we barely learned anything about the Vietnam War. Definitely nothing about the death tolls or war crimes. Unfortunately schools are really no longer trustworthy sources of historical knowledge.
My Grandparents were Holodomor Survivors. Yes they too were traumatized for life. My Grandmother was the only survivor on her side of the familly. Her first born was a girl and the baby starved to death in her arms. She described trying to extract milk from her breasts for the baby but since she was starving there was no milk for the baby either. She went out after dark to secretly bury the baby rather than have the baby taken away on a cart with the other bodies. Still brings ters to my eyes when think about them.
This is so heartbreaking. This story will stay with me I’m sure. May your grandmother and her baby rest in peace. I sincerely hope your family is doing well today and are able to enjoy peace
"This surprised the Bolshevik who thought the peasants would support them!" Mate, you overthrew landlords and aristocracy who overtaxed them, only to flip around and basically take everything they made and maybe give some of it back if you felt like it. If there's a prime loser in communist revolutions it's peasants who were hoping for more freedom and less taxes who instead fought and died only to end up with less than they started with
You mean like how we're getting dangerously close to that today?
Its amazing how communism always takes away from the people it's meant to give to.
I mean to be fair the Bolsheviks were already pretty delusional when they split and called themselves the Bolsheviks and their opposition in the party the Mensheviks... Bolshevik and Menshevik literally translated mean Majority and Minority. But the Bolsheviks (the Soviets that followed Lenin) where not the majority of the party, they were just far more aggressive and had people like Trotsky on their side who were trusted by the Provisional Government making the October Revolution taking out the Provisional Government and putting Lenin in Power very easy.
@@CartoonHero1986 So the loud minority then?
This is exactly what we're seeing in the West right now. Pissed off brats who shout, scream and cause trouble because they have absolutely nothing USEFUL to offer society.
We need to normalize punching people in the face again...It's that simple.
It is a plain tragedy. That's all you can call it.
While many people recall Stalin's famine, few remember Lenin's famine. Thank you for this episode and for making such a complex topic accessible. There were so many warring factions that this is no easy feat. Bravo.
@[BosS] HITMAN 20 Ulyanov was not Jewish (although he had some Jewish ancestry via his maternal grandfather); Marx's family had converted to Christianity while he was still young while he himself was a devout anti Semite; and Bronstein dissociated himself from his Jewish roots while his parents were wealthy assimilated Russians. Judaism had zero impact on these men.
Dzhugashvili was not at all Jewish. In fact at the time he was radicalized he was studying at an Orthodox seminary as his mother wanted him to be a priest.
@@eleanorkett1129 you good bro
@@eleanorkett1129 if he had jewish ancestory then he is jewish by definition since its not just a religion but also a people
@@miceatah9359 The definition of being Jewish is someone born to a Jewish mother or converted according to Jewish law of which Ulyanov was neither.
"You must understand. The main Bolsheviks who took control of Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred, they tortured and massacred millions of Russians without the shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you in America call the "Russian Revolution". It was an invasion and conquest of the Russian people. More of my compatriots suffered horrible crimes from their bloody hands which no people or nation has ever suffered in the whole of human history. This cannot be underestimated. Bolshevism was the greatest human massacre of all time. The fact that most of ignores this reality is proof that the world's media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators." -Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Please note that Holodomor happened at the same time (1931-32) in Georgia, with at least one million of victims. And then, another Holodomor, almost never talked about - but well known by the survivors and their children and grandchildren - took place from 1947 in what is today the country of Moldova!
And down the rabbit hole I go! Never had heard about either of these, time to educate myself. Thanks for the info!
My grandfather barley escaped from Chisinau and settled in the west of Romania. I just hate when Americans and westerners are trying to figure out this part of Europe and side with Putin. They simply can't understand how much suffer did russians inflict on all of us. And why none of us wants to deal with Russian ever again
Kazakhstan too, also targeted cossacks. They weren't targeting ethnicity but anyone anti Soviet.
Shocking, too, considering Stalin was Georgian.
@@ChrisCryptoCoffee I’m American, and I don’t understand it either. Putin always struck me as a snake and a liar.
There’s a sign less than a mile from my house saying to remember the holodormor and I’ve been wondering what it meant, thank you for covering it. How very sad….
There's a horrific similarity between what the Holodomor means to Ukraine and the Great Famine, An Gorta Mor, is to Ireland. During my time in Ukraine this year, humanitarian project, I had the honour of paying my respects at the simple memorial of Holodomor in Kyiv. Never forget...
It's a pity that the Irish EMP said Ukraine doesn't deserve to be in the EU. Then after th Villnius summit,did a u-turn.🤔
The British government definitely just let An Gorta Mor happen on purpose. It's so infuriating to read about how callous the British ministers and aristocrats were toward people starving to death.
I've heard you talk about this a bit. I'm so glad you're deep diving into it
Ukraine has suffered at the hands of many enemies, human, chemical and radiological. Soaked in blood, radioactive fallout and now scared by the bombs of a once so called ally. I hope one day they will find peace and breathe a breath of freedom and peace.
Ukraine's history is why I don't get how anyone believed Russia would be able to just walk in there and meet scant resistance. Ukrainians have lived under some form of oppression for centuries, taking all the hits and horrors that come from being another power's possession. Ukraine might not be perfect itself, but they would much rather oppress and abuse themselves rather than ever allow anyone else to do it to them. I can only imagine hubris and bias as the reasons Putin or any other Russian official would think Ukraine wouldn't cause them to pay with blood for every inch.
Even if Ukraine doesn't hold out, even if Ukraine was completely annexed by Russia, Ukrainians would make it painful for as long as it took to become independent again.
@@NakedOwl501 as it stands the Russians can’t even threaten Odessa anymore, and Putin can’t afford to call for a full military mobilization to finish this war. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Ukraine push them back to the borders, unless Belarus gets involved.
@@asgdhgsfhrfgfd1170 well put. And Putin loses face every day this goes on.
@@NakedOwl501 , Estimates are that Russia has lost between 7000 and 15,000 troops already, *in just one month*. They lost 15,000 troops in Afghanistan over the course of ten years. Even if they manage to conquer Ukraine, they're unlikely to be able to control it or administer it. It will descend into guerilla warfare and ultimately cost them far more than Afghanistan did.
@@goodun2974 Well this comment still holds on well. And I bet it will untill some decent russian will actually revolt, or their military will
I tell you what brother, some of your shows are deeply disturbing, but they are very well researched and a privilege to learn from.
History is pretty disturbing to be honest.
@@bobloerakker7010 And everyone should have to learn it.
You related to the William Cooper who predicted 9/11??
@@TheAtomicSpoon 100%! Or we will repeat our mistakes...oh wait🤔
Holy fuck, I'm used to this kind of thing, is story after all and I love stuing it, but daam, havent felt like this in a while
We needed a more recent telling of this story. Thank you. History is often hard to relive....but it's necessary.
my grandma survived this as well. A part of me is glad she passed a few years ago because if she were alive today i know this war and what russian soldiers are doing would have triggered her PTSD. A lot of whats happening now happened to her and it is horrific.
My Ukrainian great grandfather was sadly killed by the soviets during this time, my great grandmother barely escaped
I never could have imagined just how bad it actually got in Ukraine over the last century. Yet, they still continue on. Again, fighting for their lives. They truly deserve to finally be free of Russian oppression for good. Long live Ukraine! 🇺🇦
Thank you🥺🇺🇦💙💛
@Arbane's Sword I hear you, and its a correct observation i guess. But, trying to hold people responsable only bc of their membership ta a certain religious tribe is futile. These people were Sovjet citizen and hired to work out a plan to please Stalin. And many , many people with that particular ethnic background are successful, more so then any other group What story does it tell ? That success is not evenly distributed in all the tribes and people around the world ? I guess its that simple.
Indeed.
Russia needs to be finally brought to heel and tought a lesson they will remember for generations!
Slava Ukraini.
I think of the Holodomor every time I hear someone (especially Russian propaganda) saying that Ukraine isn't its own separate nation or Ukrainians aren't a unique people from the Russians. After what the Ukrainian people have been through in their history, much of it at the hands of the Russians, they are most certainly a distinct people with a distinct heritage. They deserve to be able to live peacefully and prosperously in their sovereign homeland. Russia has no right to take that from them.
Slava Ukraini! Heroyam slava!
@@steelytemplar Indeed.
Russia's official policy is denying facts about the crimes their nation has comitted both in the past as well as present.
Slava Ukraini.
Heroyam Slava!
Thank you from bringing this to light. It's surprising how many people never knew about this
Lol the Twitter commies just ignore it
Is it really surprising though?
This isn't something that we're taught about in school.
So true…. Like how not many people know about the famines the British brought to Ireland (late 1840s) and India (early 1940s)…. Which killed millions.
@@Primal-Weed
The famine in Ireland was caused by Potato Blight that hit Europe. However as Ireland was so dependent on potatoes it hit them worse. Likewise the Indian Famine in the 1940s was caused by a monsoon and the Japanese invasion of Burma cutting off food supplies. Britain arranged for emergency food supplies to be sent from Australia to India.
I know at least in the US, there was a concerted effort by fellow travelers in the media to never criticize the soviets in the early years especially but it continued until the cold war. The new york times won pulitzers for their reporting that no famines were taking place & the Russian system was working well. For ordinary people that was all they knew. We had some information about gulags and bread lines but we didn't really know anything until the iron curtain fell. I grew up in a heavily Eastern European neighborhood and my Ukrainian friends never spoke of home. The Poles did sometimes but it was a combination of longing but gratitude that they got away. I never thought about the difference between them until I started learning about it. I don't blame them for not wanting to talk about it
@E Van Dangerously based buddy. You’re on dangerous territory. Bad things happen to those who point these things out.
@@censoredquotes His quote has been censored
@@censoredquotes ooh I wanna know what they said
Was it this? "You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators." ---Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
@@taylorc2542 Ok, so what people should be considered as being Russian?
Thank you for this Simon. This is an important piece to either reaquainte or open people's eyes to. I had relatives that survived the holocaust and moved to South Africa post war and they told me about fleeing Ukraine at that time when the purges started happening to Poland . I also learnt this in school growing up in Holland but that that was 40+ odd years ago.
In Australia and I'm sure other "new world" countries, throughout the 80 and 90s (and probably particularly still so in many places), learning history was fairly low on the scale in secondary education so unless people as adults have taken the trouble to find out or utilise history in what they do, they unlikely would know about this. (The net as most people know it hasn't realistically existed as an easy access public tool since 1997 thru 2005 or so depending upon where people grew up).
Thanks again for all the fine work you always do.
PS. My wife loves your "A casual criminalist" podcasts on spotify.
Never forget the new york times denied that this happened.
Yes. I watched the 2019 movie Mr. Jones and this was the first time I had heard of the Holodomor. The cover up by NYTs journalist Walter Duranty was criminal
WHAT?! 🤬
@@archlich4489 Also that NYT won a Pulitzer for that denial, which tells you about Pulitzer political leanings, and how much that stupid Pulitzer Prize is actually worth.
@@craiga2002 more then that, recently a petition I believe forced them to review Durantys Pulitzer and they left it as is, the current nyt, not people from 80 years ago who are not even alive anymore. Worst newspaper ever and Pulitzer is worthless trash, too.
@@craiga2002 What denial?
Thank you, again, for providing me with important, factual information, about something I know so little about. I think this is one of the few videos I've seen you do, in which I can sense your disdain, frustration, anger, and more importantly, your empathy in what you're speaking about. Rock on Fact Boy.
Amen to that.
I completely agree as well. Thank you for this video.
Preach :)
@DiversityIsOurStrength unfortunately they destroyed a lot of documents when the USSR dissolved.
He didn't lol
This has to made very clear: The Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33 did in fact happen. The point of contention is that it was not a result of intentional genocide.
Here's my response to someone saying it was an intentional genocide. Literally just ask the people there at the time. Not even from the USSR or communists.
1) Then why did it hit parts of Russia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Poland and the EASTERN part of Ukraine where there was and still is a major Russian population?
2) Why did Stalin then send aid from the other republics to relieve the famine?
The Uk.S.S.R. received from other republics more than 320,000 tons of grain, in other words, nearly twice as much as the republic ‘exported’, and was authorised to use (from both internal and imported sources) some 520,000 tons of grain as seed, about two‐thirds of total seed loans for the entire Soviet Union.’
3) Every single source claiming it was an intentional genocide goes back to literal fascists. The Hearst Press run by William Hearst, at the time even known as America's #1 fascist, whose newspaper was bought by non other than Nazi Germany in 1935. They used photos from Thomas Walker who was apparently in Ukraine in 1933/4 though his American colleague in Moscow, Louis Fischer, did some digging and found out he had never passed anywhere near Ukraine and the photos he used were edited photos of people dying in the civil war era famine and WW1 famines. Some photos not even from Russia but from Austro-Hungary.
neodemocracy.blogspot.com/2017/12/fraud-famine-and-fascism-hearst-press.html
4) The actual causes are as follows:
\-Kulak sabotage(From Professor Scuman who was actually in Ukraine at the time says: "Their \[kulak\] opposition took the initial form of slaughtering their cattle and horses in preference to having them collectivized. The result was a grievous blow to Soviet agriculture, for most of the cattle and horses were owned by the kulaks. Between 1928 and 1933 the number of horses in the USSR declined from almost 30,000,000 to less than 15,000,000; of horned cattle from 70,000,000 (including 31,000,0000 cows) to 38,000,000 (including 20,000,000 cows); of sheep and goats from 147,000,000 to 50,000,000; and of hogs from 20,000,000 to 12,000,000. Soviet rural economy had not recovered from this staggering loss by 1941. ... Some \[kulaks\] murdered officials, set the torch to the property of the collectives, and even burned their own crops and seed grain. More refused to sow or reap, perhaps on the assumption that the authorities would make concessions and would in any case feed them. The aftermath was the "Ukraine famine'' of 1932--33 .... Lurid accounts, mostly fictional, appeared in the Nazi press in Germany and in the Hearst press in the United States, often illustrated with photographs that turned out to have been taken along the Volga in 1921 .... The "famine'' was not, in its later stages, a result of food shortage, despite the sharp reduction of seed grain and harvests flowing from special requisitions in the spring of 1932 which were apparently occasioned by fear of war in Japan. Most of the victims were kulaks who had refused to sow their fields or had destroyed their crops.")
\-A drought hit Ukraine 3 years in a row (in his A History of Ukraine, Mikhail Hrushevsky, described by the Nationalists themselves as Ukraine's leading historian, writing of the year 1932, claimed that 'Again a year of drought coincided with chaotic agricultural conditions'.
Professor Michael Florinsky, who struggled against the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, noted: \`Severe droughts in 1930 and 1931, especially in the Ukraine, aggravated the plight of farming and created near famine conditions'. )
\-The third cause of the famine was a typhoid epidemic that ravaged Ukraine and North Caucausus. (Dr. Hans Blumenfeld, internationally respected city planner and recipient of the Order of Canada, worked as an architect in Makayevka, Ukraine during the famine. He wrote: \`There is no doubt that the famine claimed many victims. I have no basis on which to estimate their number .... Probably most deaths in 1933 were due to epidemics of typhus, typhoid fever, and dysentery. Waterborne diseases were frequent in Makeyevka; I narrowly survived an attack of typhus fever.'
Horsley Grant, the man who made the absurd estimate of 15 million dead under the famine --- 60 per cent of an ethnic Ukrainian population of 25 million in 1932 --- noted at the same time that \`the peak of the typhus epidemic coincided with the famine .... it is not possible to separate which of the two causes was more important in causing casualties.')
\-The fourth cause of the famine was the disorder provoked by the reorganization of agriculture and the equally profound upheaval in economic and social relations: lack of experience, improvisation and confusion in orders, lack of preparation and leftist radicalism among some of the poorer peasants and some of the civil servants. (Hans Blumenfeld gives, in his autobiography, a résumé of what he experienced during the famine in Ukraine: "The famine was caused by a conjunction of a number of factors. First, the hot dry summer of 1932, which I had experienced in northern Vyatka, had resulted in crop failure in the semiarid regions of the south. Second, the struggle for collectivization had disrupted agriculture. Collectivization was not an orderly process following bureaucratic rules. It consisted of actions by the poor peasants, encouraged by the Party. The poor peasants were eager to expropriate the kulaks,'' but less eager to organize a cooperative economy. By 1930 the Party had already sent out cadres to stem and correct excesses .... After having exercised restraint in 1930, the Party put on a drive again in 1932. As a result, in that year the kulak economy ceased to produce, and the new collective economy did not yet produce fully. First claim on the inadequate product went to urban industry and to the armed forces; as the future of the entire nation, including the peasants, depended on them, it could hardly be otherwise .... \`In 1933 rainfall was adequate. The Party sent its best cadres to help organize work in the kolkhozes. They succeeded; after the harvest of 1933 the situation improved radically and with amazing speed. I had the feeling that we had been pulling a heavy cart uphill, uncertain if we would succeed; but in the fall of 1933 we had gone over the top and from then on we could move forward at an accelerating pace.' )
And to top it all off here's what the Ukrainian nationalist Isaac Mazepa had to say about it
"At first there were disturbances in the kolkhosi \[collective farms\] or else the Communist officials and their agents were killed, but later a system of passive resistance was favored which aimed at the systematic frustration of the Bolsheviks' plans for the sowing and gathering of the harvest .... The catastrophe of 1932 was the hardest blow that Soviet Ukraine had to face since the famine of 1921-- 1922. The autumn and spring sowing campaigns both failed. Whole tracts were left unsown, in addition when the crop was being gathered ... in many areas, especially in the south, 20, 40 and even 50 per cent was left in the fields, and was either not collected at all or was ruined in the threshing."
www.greanvillepost.com/2015/08/10/the-holodomor-hoax-joseph-stalins-crime-that-never-took-place/
books.google.rs/books?id=jpv0NICOEb8C&pg=PA157&redir%5C_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
neodemocracy.blogspot.com/2017/12/fraud-famine-and-fascism-hearst-press.html
newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tauger-Natural-Disaster-and-Human-Actions-in-the-Soviet-Famine-of-1931-33.pdf?0bbe13&fbclid=IwAR3Ycp%5C_wtlUup8Pei3LnuPB-BGf6MRpiEr7UledZcaZKqGhi1o4x37Z26pw](newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tauger-Natural-Disaster-and-Human-Actions-in-the-Soviet-Famine-of-1931-33.pdf?0bbe13&fbclid=IwAR3Ycp_wtlUup8Pei3LnuPB-BGf6MRpiEr7UledZcaZKqGhi1o4x37Z26pw)
"In Search of a Soviet Holocaust. A 55 year old Famine Feeds the Right" Village Voice, 1988
lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v09/n02/j.-arch-getty/starving-the-ukraine
msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/ukfaminedocs97.pdf
eh.net/book_reviews/the-years-of-hunger-soviet-agriculture-1931-1933/
www.jstor.org/stable/2500600?seq=1
agrarianstudies.macmillan.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/papers/TaugerAgrarianStudies.pdf
“Grain Crisis or Famine? The Ukranian State Commission for Aid to Crop-Failure Victims and the Ukranian Famine of 1928-1929.”
carlbeckpapers.pitt.edu/ojs/index.php/cbp/article/view/89
www.researchgate.net/publication/236001585_Natural_Disaster_and_Human_Actions_in_the_Soviet_Famine_of_1931-1933_Carl_Beck_Papers_in_Russian_and_East_European_Studies_no_1506_University_of_Pittsburgh_2001
msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/aidtoukraine020733
An important story to help us understand the deep history between Ukraine and Russia, and why Ukraine has every reason to want nothing to do with Russia. And thank you for your closing statement, it was sensitive and on point.
Thank you for covering such an important history events! Love from Ukraine 🇺🇦
Stay strong. ❤
The Holodomor is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. It was not a genocide. The people who propagatecthe Holodomor are holocaust deniers in pretty much every case. Clara Weiss has written numerous articles about why it’s antisemitic to call it genocide.
"You must understand. The main Bolsheviks who took control of Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred, they tortured and massacred millions of Russians without the shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you in America call the "Russian Revolution". It was an invasion and conquest of the Russian people. More of my compatriots suffered horrible crimes from their bloody hands which no people or nation has ever suffered in the whole of human history. This cannot be underestimated. Bolshevism was the greatest human massacre of all time. The fact that most of ignores this reality is proof that the world's media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."
-Alexander Solzhenitsyn
My grandparents somehow survived this, but they said that people were forever changed, they lost their spark and nothing ever was the same.
It makes me so angry that after all this suffering, the Ukrainians had to live through the hell of WW2. And the horror of the current war Ukraine 🇺🇦😭😭😭
@Arbane's Sword Are you *seriously* blaming the Jews for this?
Hello, Hitler.
well they had 8 years to stop killing their own citizens, its their own fault for taking the wests money
@@brigidtheirish???? I don't think he's literally Hitler for asking why he didn't cover 2 people who seem involved. Geez.
@@offlinegirl5956 I don't think he's *literally* Hitler, either. I was using that comparison to draw attention to the *blatant* antisemitic tone of his comment.
No one cares about begging Ukraine anymore. Zelensky is a con man and leeching money from europe.
I hope Ukraine gets annexxed by russia, once and for All
It is truly remarkable that Ukrainian language and culture have survived the centuries of attempts by Russia to stamp them out. Слава Україні!
Yup but sadly the same thing cannot be said about their Ruthenian brothers aka Belarusians
@@josecano9210 as ukrainian - really shame...
And it's absurd how many ppl still fall for the Russian propaganda that it was actually the Russian speakers who were discriminated against! Such nonsense. It's always been the Russians who were the ones suppressing the Ukrianians.
I have a friend from Kharkiv. To know more about her cities history makes me understand why she stayed for two weeks when Putin invaded before going to Belarus with part of her family. Thankfully they’re still all ok as of right now. Had to pause this a few times… and ugly cry for a moment when it was done bc this is all so much.
If people ask me why Ukraine hates Russia so much, I relay them to this video.
You could just honestly tell them the entire history with Ukraine and Russia lmao
Even before the invasion happened I was already aware that Ukraine despises Russia and Russia despises Ukraine
if you only knew... holodomor is a lie
Yeah I'm pretty sure the relationship was sour long before this
@@armouredjester1622 oh yeah, it was.
As a Ukrainian who loves to study my country's history, I can confirm: it was
A professor from my university did his study in 2018 on how the real number of Ukrainians starved to death was closer to 7.5 mil than to 3 mil. We attended the international conference in Kyiv where he presented his study. All the professors from other countries (Poland, Germany, Latvia and some other) were laughing at him after his speech and told that was “an interesting interpretation of a famine”… I was so sad and offended for my professor who encouraged us to attend the event just to be embarrassed like that by his European colleagues… He presented really good evidence supporting his “interpretation” actually. Somehow it was normal for them to indirectly deny Holodomor, but they would destroy their reputation if they tried to doubt whether Holocaust happened.
Professors often like to talk down the Holodomor, as it is a blemish on their pro-socialism wishes
Considering that Europeans have never forgiven the Jews for the Holocaust it's probably not surprising they'd resent Ukraine for showing what decadent rot the 'intellectual class' is...
so you just absolutely deny that your professor could have done an innacurate study?
Or, you know, maybe it was just wrong?
Soviet Union was enemy number one for decades, with any possible angle to demonize them used, and even to this day the West tries to stomp their legacy to the ground (not so long EU passed some statement about how USSR was one of reasons the war broke out, but ofc no mention of West's appeasement).
If Holodomor was as bad, then it would be known.
@@muradlekov3679 Yes, bolshevik.
But true Socialism/Communism/Collectivism has never been tried. This time I'll be completely different....right.....RIGHT?
Thank you from Ukraine. The more people know our history the fewer next "Putins" there will be...
That being said, the present Putin should get the Mussolini treatment. Or the Rasputin treatment. Makes more sense seeing as Rasputin was called a devil but Putin actually is one
@@punksoab I believe mussolini got too much humane treatment in comparison to what pootin deserved
@Ruán Conán who said I am not? Not every fight is the same.
@Ruán Conán fighting with guns on a front line allowed only to those who have such experience during 8 years stalemate phase of this war.
@Ruán Conán for every soldier in the field, there are half a dozen or more ensuring he has food, intelligence, bullets, and that his logistics network is sound and solid. For an example of what happens when this is not done... well. Just look at Russia right now?
Communists only ever say that it was never real Communism; but every single attempt so far has ended in death and famine, without exemption.
Ever heard if Cuba?
Or Vietnam?
Or that Soviet citizens had on average a higher calory intake than americans?
@@BiturixTaranuncnos All three of those had food shortages. All three had government backed death squads.
@@saanon9334 Same for the US in latin america when they elected a leftist president.
@@BiturixTaranuncnos When was that CIA document about caloric intake written? Oh yea the 1980s. What time period did it look at? Oh yea the 1980s. How much higher was the caloric intake? Oh yea about 200 calories. What do doctors say about caloric intake and average ambient temperature? Oh they say you need a higher caloric intake for lower temperatures. Soviet citizens should have been getting over 3000 cal every day to survive without under-nutrition, their caloric intake was still lower than it should have been, in the 1980s after they had liberalized somewhat. Keep trying to push your bs propaganda and lies of statistics.
@@99EKjohn Yea no need to lie about the later stages. They were still stagnant and left society wanting more.
🇺🇦❤️🇪🇪My solidarity is with you! I learned about Holodomor when it was mentioned in the Chernobyl series. An Ukrainian expat explained in their own video that it was the wrong region for the character to live through it. Hopefully it inspired people to look up the historic event. Maybe it was added into the dialogue to underline Ukraine’s previous difficulties with Soviet Union.
Thank you for covering this story. We must never forget.
Thank you. My great grandmother went through this. And through WWII and Nazi work camps after that with her two little children (my grandmother was one of them). After my great grandmother passed away and we started to clean her room, we were shocked to find food hidden everywhere: grains, dried bread, flour... under her bad, in mattress, behind the sofa, among her clothes and even under the floor board. She was afraid of hunger till her last days. My grandmother went through this as well, but she was a 4 years old girl back then, she remembered the horror of wwii and nazi camps much better. She passed away 3 years ago and on February 24 the only thing I was thinking about was "Thank God my grandmother doesn't see this" and it's a terrible thought, but I can’t imagine how she would have lived through another war. And the thing is a lot of elderly people now reliving the horrors from their childhood and it breaks my heart. This and the understanding that my daughter is repeating their fate - child of war.
Food hoarding is very common for people who suffer through hunger.
Thanks for bringing attention to important history that needs to be learned from.
And this, among other reasons, is why they fight. Back in the early eighties I started going through Soviet history. I'm glad to see you bringing this up.
My home town of Derby quite rightly recognised the Holodomor as a genocide in 2018. It has a large Ukrainian community, and is doing wonders for refugees fleeing Kharkiv and Kyiv. I will never forget what happened in Ukraine
It's not a genocide lmao
@@blondezeke6640 So tell me what the confiscation of food with the intent to starve is then?
The Holodomor is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. It was not a genocide. The people who propagatecthe Holodomor are holocaust deniers in pretty much every case. Clara Weiss has written numerous articles about why it’s antisemitic to call it genocide.
@@rileygladue3979
Ask a Bengali in the 1940's. Or the Irish in the 1840's.
The so‐called Holodomor was not a (deliberate) genocide.
This video is, like so many videos sponsored by the propaganda apparatus of the US empire, dangerous nonsense.
@@rileygladue3979Soviets,(that is Stalin) conducting their terror based class warfare against independent and what deemed prosperous peasants + natural causes. The lie here is that Soviet = Russia and that people of non Russian ethnicity were specifically singled out and targeted by "Russians".
I'm currently reading Red Famine: Stalin's War On Ukraine by Anne Applebaum. Thank you for posting this, Simon.
Thank you for the tip! Will definitely have to read that
Lmao Applebaum is a nazi sympathizer
This has to made very clear: The Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33 did in fact happen. The point of contention is that it was not a result of intentional genocide.
Here's my response to someone saying it was an intentional genocide. Literally just ask the people there at the time. Not even from the USSR or communists.
1) Then why did it hit parts of Russia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Poland and the EASTERN part of Ukraine where there was and still is a major Russian population?
2) Why did Stalin then send aid from the other republics to relieve the famine?
The Uk.S.S.R. received from other republics more than 320,000 tons of grain, in other words, nearly twice as much as the republic ‘exported’, and was authorised to use (from both internal and imported sources) some 520,000 tons of grain as seed, about two‐thirds of total seed loans for the entire Soviet Union.’
3) Every single source claiming it was an intentional genocide goes back to literal fascists. The Hearst Press run by William Hearst, at the time even known as America's #1 fascist, whose newspaper was bought by non other than Nazi Germany in 1935. They used photos from Thomas Walker who was apparently in Ukraine in 1933/4 though his American colleague in Moscow, Louis Fischer, did some digging and found out he had never passed anywhere near Ukraine and the photos he used were edited photos of people dying in the civil war era famine and WW1 famines. Some photos not even from Russia but from Austro-Hungary.
neodemocracy.blogspot.com/2017/12/fraud-famine-and-fascism-hearst-press.html
4) The actual causes are as follows:
\-Kulak sabotage(From Professor Scuman who was actually in Ukraine at the time says: "Their \[kulak\] opposition took the initial form of slaughtering their cattle and horses in preference to having them collectivized. The result was a grievous blow to Soviet agriculture, for most of the cattle and horses were owned by the kulaks. Between 1928 and 1933 the number of horses in the USSR declined from almost 30,000,000 to less than 15,000,000; of horned cattle from 70,000,000 (including 31,000,0000 cows) to 38,000,000 (including 20,000,000 cows); of sheep and goats from 147,000,000 to 50,000,000; and of hogs from 20,000,000 to 12,000,000. Soviet rural economy had not recovered from this staggering loss by 1941. ... Some \[kulaks\] murdered officials, set the torch to the property of the collectives, and even burned their own crops and seed grain. More refused to sow or reap, perhaps on the assumption that the authorities would make concessions and would in any case feed them. The aftermath was the "Ukraine famine'' of 1932--33 .... Lurid accounts, mostly fictional, appeared in the Nazi press in Germany and in the Hearst press in the United States, often illustrated with photographs that turned out to have been taken along the Volga in 1921 .... The "famine'' was not, in its later stages, a result of food shortage, despite the sharp reduction of seed grain and harvests flowing from special requisitions in the spring of 1932 which were apparently occasioned by fear of war in Japan. Most of the victims were kulaks who had refused to sow their fields or had destroyed their crops.")
\-A drought hit Ukraine 3 years in a row (in his A History of Ukraine, Mikhail Hrushevsky, described by the Nationalists themselves as Ukraine's leading historian, writing of the year 1932, claimed that 'Again a year of drought coincided with chaotic agricultural conditions'.
Professor Michael Florinsky, who struggled against the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, noted: \`Severe droughts in 1930 and 1931, especially in the Ukraine, aggravated the plight of farming and created near famine conditions'. )
\-The third cause of the famine was a typhoid epidemic that ravaged Ukraine and North Caucausus. (Dr. Hans Blumenfeld, internationally respected city planner and recipient of the Order of Canada, worked as an architect in Makayevka, Ukraine during the famine. He wrote: \`There is no doubt that the famine claimed many victims. I have no basis on which to estimate their number .... Probably most deaths in 1933 were due to epidemics of typhus, typhoid fever, and dysentery. Waterborne diseases were frequent in Makeyevka; I narrowly survived an attack of typhus fever.'
Horsley Grant, the man who made the absurd estimate of 15 million dead under the famine --- 60 per cent of an ethnic Ukrainian population of 25 million in 1932 --- noted at the same time that \`the peak of the typhus epidemic coincided with the famine .... it is not possible to separate which of the two causes was more important in causing casualties.')
\-The fourth cause of the famine was the disorder provoked by the reorganization of agriculture and the equally profound upheaval in economic and social relations: lack of experience, improvisation and confusion in orders, lack of preparation and leftist radicalism among some of the poorer peasants and some of the civil servants. (Hans Blumenfeld gives, in his autobiography, a résumé of what he experienced during the famine in Ukraine: "The famine was caused by a conjunction of a number of factors. First, the hot dry summer of 1932, which I had experienced in northern Vyatka, had resulted in crop failure in the semiarid regions of the south. Second, the struggle for collectivization had disrupted agriculture. Collectivization was not an orderly process following bureaucratic rules. It consisted of actions by the poor peasants, encouraged by the Party. The poor peasants were eager to expropriate the kulaks,'' but less eager to organize a cooperative economy. By 1930 the Party had already sent out cadres to stem and correct excesses .... After having exercised restraint in 1930, the Party put on a drive again in 1932. As a result, in that year the kulak economy ceased to produce, and the new collective economy did not yet produce fully. First claim on the inadequate product went to urban industry and to the armed forces; as the future of the entire nation, including the peasants, depended on them, it could hardly be otherwise .... \`In 1933 rainfall was adequate. The Party sent its best cadres to help organize work in the kolkhozes. They succeeded; after the harvest of 1933 the situation improved radically and with amazing speed. I had the feeling that we had been pulling a heavy cart uphill, uncertain if we would succeed; but in the fall of 1933 we had gone over the top and from then on we could move forward at an accelerating pace.' )
And to top it all off here's what the Ukrainian nationalist Isaac Mazepa had to say about it
"At first there were disturbances in the kolkhosi \[collective farms\] or else the Communist officials and their agents were killed, but later a system of passive resistance was favored which aimed at the systematic frustration of the Bolsheviks' plans for the sowing and gathering of the harvest .... The catastrophe of 1932 was the hardest blow that Soviet Ukraine had to face since the famine of 1921-- 1922. The autumn and spring sowing campaigns both failed. Whole tracts were left unsown, in addition when the crop was being gathered ... in many areas, especially in the south, 20, 40 and even 50 per cent was left in the fields, and was either not collected at all or was ruined in the threshing."
www.greanvillepost.com/2015/08/10/the-holodomor-hoax-joseph-stalins-crime-that-never-took-place/
books.google.rs/books?id=jpv0NICOEb8C&pg=PA157&redir%5C_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
neodemocracy.blogspot.com/2017/12/fraud-famine-and-fascism-hearst-press.html
newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tauger-Natural-Disaster-and-Human-Actions-in-the-Soviet-Famine-of-1931-33.pdf?0bbe13&fbclid=IwAR3Ycp%5C_wtlUup8Pei3LnuPB-BGf6MRpiEr7UledZcaZKqGhi1o4x37Z26pw](newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tauger-Natural-Disaster-and-Human-Actions-in-the-Soviet-Famine-of-1931-33.pdf?0bbe13&fbclid=IwAR3Ycp_wtlUup8Pei3LnuPB-BGf6MRpiEr7UledZcaZKqGhi1o4x37Z26pw)
"In Search of a Soviet Holocaust. A 55 year old Famine Feeds the Right" Village Voice, 1988
lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v09/n02/j.-arch-getty/starving-the-ukraine
msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/ukfaminedocs97.pdf
eh.net/book_reviews/the-years-of-hunger-soviet-agriculture-1931-1933/
www.jstor.org/stable/2500600?seq=1
agrarianstudies.macmillan.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/papers/TaugerAgrarianStudies.pdf
“Grain Crisis or Famine? The Ukranian State Commission for Aid to Crop-Failure Victims and the Ukranian Famine of 1928-1929.”
carlbeckpapers.pitt.edu/ojs/index.php/cbp/article/view/89
www.researchgate.net/publication/236001585_Natural_Disaster_and_Human_Actions_in_the_Soviet_Famine_of_1931-1933_Carl_Beck_Papers_in_Russian_and_East_European_Studies_no_1506_University_of_Pittsburgh_2001
msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/aidtoukraine020733
It's not wise to trust Anne Applebaum on anything. She wrote an article where she defends Pinochet for giving up power after losing a referendum which not only is ridiculous on it's own since he had promised that there wouldn't even be a referendum and that he would step down after his term ended, but we also know that he didn't want to respect the results and only did it because the rest of the military forced him to.
Case in point, the much much much more deadlier military government of Argentina gave up power easier than Pinochet did.
I'm watching Bitter Harvest.
All the trendy western neo-communists that hang a hammer and sickle poster in their room and talk about the evils of capitalism should be given an extensive course in Soviet history.
You forgot to mention that 4-8 million Ukrainians died and throughout the rest of the entire Russian Empire around (only) 900k died of famine. That one stat tells the whole story from beginning to end:
Get the source plz.
A horrific reality is this STILL has not ended in Russia even today. If you look at the extreme difference in Quality of Life for the Average Russian living in the Western parts of Russia closer to Moscow and Europe compared to those living in the more rural and isolated Central and Eastern parts of Russia. I think that is mainly why Putin and Moscow are so worried about "Western influence" in Ukraine because it puts more pressure on Moscow to take care of problems they can't afford to fix and keep manipulating their economy to make the Oligarchs rich and powerful. It's in reality less a fear of the West and NATO like they claim and more a fear of the Developed Modern World approaching their South Eastern borders affecting the wealth's bottom line back in Moscow.
Just like official numbers about Chernoblyl, only 31 deaths.
Even Ukrainian official sources say this is false. About the same people died I other SSRs as in Ukraine itself. Which is still a solid message given they did produced the food. But saying Ukrainians were only victims is simply false. Also the Russian empire did not exist anymore at this point because of time.
Yikes.
My ex-husband's grandfather, he died in 1973 therefore this is a theory his family supports, left Russia (Ukraine) sometime prior to 1933. Ended up in Serbia, married my ex-husband's grandma, lost 3 kids to starvation and illness due to WW2 before immigrating with his 3 surviving kids (including my ex-mother in law) in 1951.
Hell of a thing to go through.
With history now repeating itself before our very incredulous eyes, at the hands of a nation and a man that should bloody well know better?
THAT is entirely unforgivable.
You meant "left the Soviet Union (Ukraine)", right? Cause Ukraine was never part of Russia. I don't mean to be rude, it's just important to phrase this correctly. Thank you.
Don't forget there were more than a couple Holodomors.
Yeah there was one Churchill did in India
"And he enters our next character: THE MAN OF STEEL" Oh, God... This is where the suffering and human misery enters fever dream levels lol
Whenever I hear a young person extolling the virtues of communism, I say, “tell it to the Kulaks.” Most such young people have never heard the therm, and those who have deny both the scale and the intentionality of the famine. These are typically young people who despise oppression in general.
Of course, there are also those who are gleeful about what happened...
They did the same in Estonia, anyone with property was sent to Siberia. Housing, farming, milk production etc was made communal. My grandmother told me about having to give the family’s cows to the collective farm and how sad they were. One cow per family was allowed as far as I remember but party officials kept more.
That's really one of the major issues. Communism certainly has a few viable ideas, but as a whole it is not a sustainable system, it is far too vulnerable to extremist takeovers, cover-ups for ethnic violence and the attempted relativization of atrocities.
Communist states also tend to be too nationalist for their own good, being way too eager to prove themselves to the capitalist world and in their eagerness, completely losing track of their priorities.
Yeah. We will never see communism actually work. There's always people who turn it to their personal playground. The idea is not really that bad, but people will turn it to shit every time. Social democracy is the way to go. For now at least. Let's give everyone the basics, but also allow people to thrive if they have something that might make them rich
Who talks about the virtues of communism I’ve never heard anyone claim communism is anything but an abomination socialism yes communism never
Its good that these things are remembered so maybe in the future they won't be repeated. Unbelievably there are those who still deny this or even the holocaust. ☹
Don't worry, "Socialism Will Work This Time" ™️
@@etherealrose2139 i hate it when people say that socialism has never be tried
The Holodomor is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. It was not a genocide. The people who propagatecthe Holodomor are holocaust deniers in pretty much every case. Clara Weiss has written numerous articles about why it’s antisemitic to call it genocide.
How dare you compare neo Nazi propaganda to the holocaust of more than 6 million Jews like seriously???
The Holodomor is far more denied, everybody knows Holocaust happened but the holodomor is mentioned by almost nobody.
@@irvangb94 Jewish writer Clara Weiss has already shown that belief in the holodomor is antisemitic. Nobody denies people died in the famine but to compare it to the death of Jews let alone the death of six million is outrageous and antisemitic. The holocaust and uniquely Jewish event and antisemitic attempts to compare it to mere hunger will not work. The Chosen People will not allow you to undermine the memory of the holocaust!
Is it any wonder Ukraine never wants to be under the yoke of Russia again... even symbolically?
I was 5th or 6th grader when I got a history class assignment to study the Holodomor. Our teacher told there's an older lady from Vinnytsia region just a block away from our gymnasium that survived the entire thing. We called her and later that day visited her and she told us some horrible things. I remember myself 9 or 10 yo crying silently while listening attentively to her story. I live in a Western region of Ukraine that joined soviet union later after the famine, so we weren't affected and share no stories about it. But the old lady's story was just unbearably painful. It's probably the first time in my life I truly imagined and realized how much of horrible pain people can suffer.
I actually think that's pretty fucked up 10 year old kids can't really handle that kind of info. Better quit till highschool or even uni
thank you for this. This video has both gravity and information, and places it into modern context. This in my opinion has been your best work.
Wow. That's some of the most sadistic sh*t I've ever heard.
History, although full of unimaginable death, suffering and dispair, SHOULD be remembered.
Especially the really hard stuff to stomach.
This hurt my soul a bit actually.
Remembering and actually understanding our history, Especially the worst parts, is how we can (hopefully) prevent it from repeating itself, and actually move forward and prosper as humans.
It was genocide
In some previous Simon's video he actually called it a genocide.
@@lilandry Simon has a million channels, nobody could be expected to watch them all. If he felt that it was a genocide, this would be the perfect place to say so
@lisapop5219 Like the Holocaust, yes it was
Another well balanced, researched and presented video from Simon and the team
Hearing stories of so many horrible manmade accidents and disasters the USSR tried covering up, I don't blame Ukraine for wanting to be distant from Russia today.
And can you imagine that we didn’t just start wanting it on February 24, but hundreds of years ago. We were never okay with them. Russia’s threats and corrupt leaders led the government, people constantly wanted to be in EU. Russia just fears us to be in a better place. Live better. That’s the entire reason. Jealousy is jealousy, hatred that we are a strong, patriotic nation, simply consisting of people like me who just loves their country and land so very much. Ukraine will never be russia!!!
@@yls0540 What I find so dumb is apparently Putin can't come up with a better excuse than "The US is going to set up missiles on our border!"
1) The US has missiles that can cross an ocean, fighter jets that can carry bombs, drones, what have you - they don't NEED to set up missiles on the Russian border.
2) There's no way the US would ever be stupid enough to attack Russia (at least now that Trump is no longer in office) because of the same reason why the Cold War ended: mutually assured destruction is still just as real now as it was then, and everyone knows that if Russia goes down it will take the rest of the world down with it.
Sure, the US *wants* to take down Russia. But they can't, and they know it. They're not North Korea. They're not gonna fly a little nuke over Russian territory just to see if they get a reaction.
Putin should just be honest: Ukraine and the other buffer nations between Russia and the rest of the world have always belonged to Russia in Putin's mind, ever since he came to power, and he wants to keep it that way. Why else would he break out the "Kievan Rus" argument? In his eyes, Ukraine is another toy he owns, and was a part of Russia in everything but name up until this year. Now the toy has decided to run away - Ukraine was about to take the last step to truly becoming independent from Russia - and he can't stand that.
Rock on, Ukraine.
(Just to be clear when I mention the names of countries like the US and Russia I'm always talking about the governments, not the people)
@@yls0540 are you sure the Western governments and leaders are any better now?
@@tlcetc4506 Well they haven't wiped out millions of them. So yeah. They're probably better.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they were ready to strap rockets to the land and *move* their country further from Russia.
That was the exact right way to end that. Gives me space to think about what I've just seen. Thanks for the presentation.
The Soviet Union: "Nationalism is a threat to the workers!"
Also the Soviet Union when said workers are starving: "You're Ukrainian you stay in Ukraine"
it always blow my mind how this event among so many in history are rarely talked about. It's as to believe people think the only bad thing that happened in the 20th was during ww2. I didnt learn any of this, basically genocide, until I took interest in history after graduating. School never mention anything about either the soviet famines nor Mao's great famine.
It's not that it was deliberate. We know so much about Nazi atrocities because a) we fought them directly, b) they took meticulous records, and c) they were defeated. The Soviet and Mao regimes did not suffer defeat, did not take records, and essentially led secret societies.
Between 1930 and 1945, Ukraine was a deadly place to be.
Indeed. My Grandparents fled Ukraine to escape Stalin in 1943.
Especially for people neither Ukrainian nor Russian. Look into Crimean Tatars, German Mennonites, Jews & Roma...
@@crhu319 yup! my grandma was a german mennonite born in ukraine at that time, she was also taken to siberia but she eventually escape with her life. But she told me many many horros stories of what russian soldiers all did to her and her family...very similar as to what is happening now.
More like between 1914 until well…today
Thank you Simon for this video from the bottom of my Ukrainian heart. My grandmother was living through this horrible time of the Soviet regime in Ukraine. My grandfather was sentenced to 20 years in a gulag in the Russian city of Vorcuta. He was very lucky to come back home and get rehabilitated in 1953 after Stalin's death after 12 years of his prison term. Both my grandparents used to talk about those dreadful years of inhumane Soviet regime with horror. They taught us to never throw away stale bread even during more prosperous years. Never again should this happen in the history of human kind. That is why it is so crucially important for the West to support Ukraine in its war with Russia.
Fight on Ukraine 🇺🇦
"It was the most appauling man-made famine in history. And it was done deliberately." Donald Rayfield.
its terrible, but Mao did much worse as far as death toll
Were doing the same thing right now too. All this green energy stuff is going to kill millions of people. Expensive energy = death.
@Russian Waifu it may not be Genocide, but it is an artificially constructed famine. whether through malice or ineptitude.
@Commander Russian Waifu An ethnic or economic group targeted for death, in this case by starvation. Pretty sure that qualifies as a genocide. Historians need to stop kissing socialist ass.
I wouldn’t say it was the worst in history, Europe for sure. Wasn’t the British one in India just as bad or worse?
With the current events going on in Ukraine we could see a major disruption in grain supply globally. While it may not be on the scale of the Holodomor, millions could still suffer both in Ukraine and elsewhere that rely on their exports.
I'm in the egg industry in the US. We are already seeing increased prices for feed ingredients. Poultry and meat product prices will increase soon in the US.
Ukraine is the world's 5th largest producer of wheat. Russia is the 2nd largest. Russian control of that much wheat will allow them to control global wheat prices and could lead to starvation, or at the very least, rising food prices and massive economic instability for the rest of the world. Ukraine also has proven reserves of oil and gas in at least 3 regions. Putin may be attempting to sell this invasion to the Russian people by appealing to their nationalist pride and a promise to return Russia to it's "past glory" (gee, where have we seen that tactic being used recently 🤔?), but his end game is to exert economic pressure so that he and his rich cohorts can cement their power and become even richer. This isn't "communism", it's Capitalism.
Yemen is entering it's 9th year of conflict and the UN fundraising goals have not been close to being met. The same holds true for Afghanistan and for the Tigray region of Ethiopa. People will needlessly starve because of this war. If you read this and can donate, please do. The Houthi people especially are caught between a rock and a hard place.
@@goodun2974 ^ It's not about past glory. If you want to know how Putin is selling the war, listed to the man himself. His whole speech on day of Ukraine invasion (translated into English) is on youtube: ruclips.net/video/1qS6J-WbTD8/видео.html
@@goodun2974 that isnt capitalism at all bub...
If you haven't already. Read the book Red Famine by Anne Alpplebaum.
Don’t forget bloodland by synder.
Yes, I have the book.
And people wonder why Ukraine never wants to be part of Russia again
I recommend you to research on your own who was responsible for it
they follow the same people today and a small hint ..they are from west asia
@@horkhorki the people responsible are the same people who murdered my ancestors in both their tsarist and Soviet pogroms: Russians
@@horkhorkiI also used to think before that "the Jews are behind it". But reading and studying history made me not believe in this antisemitic rubbish anymore. Now I know that the russians were and are responsible for it. Every archival document shows that (and as an archivist, it's my duty to stick to the archives).
My grandma lived through this hell. On the remembrance day we never eat in memory of the victims of the holodomor. She recalled how russians came to her village taking every single grain and crumb, how women were raped and men were killed if they refused to give away food they had…..
This post is exceptional Simon. Many thanks for the research and talent that went into it. My heart breaks for the Ukraine citizens. This brought me much insight to the history of a young nation. Thank you for this timely presentation.
Young? We have somewhere around of thousand years of history and self-determination.
@@lilandry I meant the country is young in it state of independence. Ukraine as an independent country is young with an intense lengthy history under control of others. So very impressed with it's resilience.
@@gwynmartin5004 Yes, we got independence again only after somewhere around 700 years and on fifth time proclaiming it. So yes, modern Ukraine are turned 30 last year.
Oh man, I was already feeling bad for Ukrainians and now even more so. I had heard of the Holodomor but I only had a vague idea of what it was. Thanks Simon for casting a light on this dark part of history.
Unfortunately, our history was always never brought to light like for others, let’s say, the Holocaust. I really hope that people now realize who the russians are and what they have been doing to us over hundreds of years. It is so very important to stand with us, stand with Ukraine. We will always be thankful. Our land will always exist💙💛💙💛💙💛
The Holodomor is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. It was not a genocide. The people who propagatecthe Holodomor are holocaust deniers in pretty much every case. Clara Weiss has written numerous articles about why it’s antisemitic to call it genocide.
Similar thing happened in Hungary in the early 1950's. It called "padlásseprés" which means
"sweeping off the attic" , because the communist government of Rákosi, Gerő,Nagy Imre,etc.. took literally everything from the people of rural Hungary. Animals,pillows,blankets,jams,compot,meats,everything.Even they sweeped off the attic to the last ceed, where its name from. It didn't cause this kind of huge famine and horror like the Holodomor, but caused many problems and deaths in society which lead to the revolution of 1956. It's a shame the soviet tanks turned that revolution into bloodbath,and same happened to the 1848-1849 hungarian revolution as well. The tsarian Russia made a bloodbath along with Habsburgs. And the same during the red terror in 1919. 😞
The communist were the devil himself, no doubt about that.And a reminder to everybody: russians are not our friend...
My mom told me stories of my great grandma spending 12 hour shifts at the docks with handful of grain in her boots so she could bring it back home to her kids to feed them. If she would’ve been caught “stealing” the grain they probably would’ve killed her. My grandma never talked about it, she would only get very nervous when I tried to throw away stale bread. Mom to this day scolds me for throwing away food. Generational trauma is no joke. Thank you very much for brining light to our painful history.
This makes me think do a biographic on Aleksander Solzhenitsyn! His Gulag Archipelago is dark, enlightening and amazing
Thank you Sir Simon for making this video! I suggested this topic since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Prayers for Ukrainians... #WeStandWithUkraine
@Arbane's Sword Are you just copy and pasting this same comment everywhere? Seriously, this is not a good look.
Brilliant Simon! Mega credit to your writer
Canada has the largest population of Ukrainians outside of Ukraine.
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Yes it is true, more than a million of Ukrainians left to Canada because of soviet oppressions. Also there was a forcefully removal of a million Ukrainians to Kazakhstan.
Is it honestly surprising that ukraine wants to join the EU and NATO?
It REALLY didn't help the USSR that Stalin was pretty much a stubborn dimwit that fell for a lot of pseudoscience from con men with simple solutions (that didn't work). Look into the history of people like Trofim Lysenko's direct influence over Stalin which was a major factor in what was responsible for how bad and long term the USSR's Famine lasted, they've even covered one of the more famous cases of him using Stalin to disappear his opposition with the story of Nikolai Vavilov who spoke out against Lysenko's pseudoscience in an episode of COSMOS Possible Worlds.
What a harrowing yet poignant picture you have painted. This doesn't just tell the story of Ukraine's painful past but of the strength and determination of a people who never give up. The world has now seen that courage first hand. The utter devastation inflicted hasnt dampened their resolve..In fact that resolution has spread throughout the land.. resonating within the hearts of the world. We stand together with Ukraine and her democracy. Together we will see a beautiful country rise above the ashes.. just as the mighty phoenix does.. spreading her wings of inspiration and freedom into the future.
No. This country, whether it wins or not, will be a complete mess for many decades. They are still the same people who, pretty much, are ok with living in a country that is a mess. They expect the state to provide; not themselves.
@@brett4264 You are incorrect. We always do everything that needed to be prosperous, even before our government think about it. Rebuild will be made quickly, people just start do it themselves, someone would make a clean up, someone would bring a concrete, someone would build a new school.
@@brett4264 This country wasn't a mess, the very reason Putin tries to destroy it.
What I don't get are why the conservatives in the US are siding with Putin. The right leaning pundits to actual representatives and are saying Ukraine are the aggressors and Nazis.
There are Russian innocent too... it's always the 'peasants' who suffer at the hands of the bourgeoisie
Many of the same graphics were shown that the three other channel's, that I've seen, showed in their rendition of the Holodomor recently. Holodomor is a popular subject of YT videos lately.
...I wooooonnnnndeeerrr whhhhyyyyyy ....
So you’re starting to see the narrative in action… much like the ‘matrix’ code lol… good luck trying to go back to sleep and enjoying RUclips, TV, movies & music etc. as the narratives becomes even more obvious…
@@-Awareness My man. The news ALWAYS regurgitates old stories related to current events, it's done it for as long as humans have been able to connect dots. This is not some grand awakening that has shocked me to my core.
One of many reasons why Ukraine doesn’t like Russia that much
I don't want to make light out of such dark content but I have to comment that this is your best channel yet Simon. These are stories that simply must be heard and you tell them with such empathy and emotion, the execution of which is admirable. You do our generation a great and just service with these historical reflections of humanity's past transgressions, that no television shall show nor schoolbook dare teach.
Agreed! The content is (usually) so new to me, or throws light on an aspect I’d never considered.
While a good video, you forgot (the later Pulitzer-prize winning) Walter Duranty, quite possibly one of the most cynical "Western" "journalists" who not only denied the Holodomor but wrote about it: "These conditions are bad, but there is no famine" and "But - to put it brutally - you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs."
Also, let us not forget Gareth Jones, who did publish all the horribleness - often finding himself within situations that would nearly cost him his life weren't he such a pugnacious character - sadly in a newspaper that did not matter at that that time.
To everybody interested in this topic I can only recommend reading Anne Applebaum's "Red Famine" as a first glimpse on how just how horrible this time was.
What can we learn from all that? Maybe that we should pay attention to the angry guys on the ground? That industrialization means nothing if all the potential workers starve? I am unsure.
Ah yes, the prize-winning writers and journalists who swallowed the Soviet lie hook, line and sinker; and who, when the whole edifice finally came crashing down, and the records were opened and the lies exposed ..., simply said "let's move on from this"
American Journalist Lincoln Steffens on the Soviet Union, "I have been over into the future, and it works" 1921 (during the first famine).
ruclips.net/video/cef_3sfMIGY/видео.html interview with a survivor explaining how some survived.
@@morganmcallister2001 , Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh similarly praised Hitler and the Nazi regime, prior to World War II. The Koch brother's father sold oil refining technology to both the Nazis and the Soviets prior to the war.
0:55 - Chapter 1 - The holodomor
4:15 - Chapter 2 - The bandit government
9:15 - Chapter 3 - Man of steele
15:10 - Chapter 4 - The great hunger
21:15 - Chapter 5 - Vichnaya Pamyat
And Communists say it wasnt that bad. 😒
This ought to be taught in public schools in the U.S. Most people in the US think that the only people in history to cause suffering on this scale were the Nazi's and American slave owners. People have such a lack of historical context, they are ignorant of how prevalent genocide and slavery was throughout the world in all cultures, and even worse; people fail to realize that this is still happening in Africa and the Middle East. It could potentially happen in western countries as well.
the perpetrators won thats why its not
Give it time. A pogrom is always just around the corner.
this makes no sense to me when people say this. Wouldn't the US want to highlight Communist atrocities, especially during the Cold War? Its not like this infoprmation is hidden or censored. You can't expect to learn about every single historical event in your public school history classes. Read a book or go online, its all free information.
It’s already happening in western cultures, sex slavery, domestic too. There have been cases in the uk. Too many to count.
@@GooseGumlizzardThe Cold War is over and people, especially the youth are lazy and easily manipulated. You have no idea how many idiots I’ve seen either pretend this never happened and call it CIA propaganda or blame it all on the kulaks. They need to be taught about this
This is an excellent presentation! Thank you.
Thank you very much for educational opportunities like this one . A perfect example on why local media is almost obsolete . You've summarized highlights and brought this invasion even more into perspective while raising more questions simultaneously . Now we see how Ukrainians have become the courageous and brave people that they are . Peace to them and may God Bless from 🇺🇸 Florida !!!!!
This is why I'll never accept fetishization of Lenin or Trotsky.
Also, good summary of Soviet history.
There has never been a single famous "good" Communist. Karl Marx was a piece of work, every other communist killed so many people it is nothing more than a statistic.
Hmmm.
All too often subjectated to the whim of Moscow 🇺🇦 it seems. Regardless of who's ruling. 😒
I tell you people I didn’t want to watch this video at first but slowly and surely as the video continued I said to myself I need to watch this and I had to exercise while I was doing it to hold back the anxiety. This really does add such a horrible context to Howell Russia has treated Ukraine. And right now one of those same monsters is leading Russia. We cannot allow those monsters to stand for this.
You are so brave
I'm Chinese. Almost 30 years after this, Nikita Khrushchev tried to tell Mao not to do the Great Leap Forward, but Mao refused to listen. My grand father who was a professor also criticized the obviously crazy plan and for that he was imprisoned for more than 10 years. The Chinese famine of the 1958-62 played out exactly the same way, collective farming, food exported, food taken away from the farmers to keep cities alive. Outside of the cities, people ate grass, tree barks, clay, even other people. 45 million Chinese died in the almost exact the same way Ukrainians did 30 year before. Mao was the only person in China who grew fat during that time.
Poor Ukraine. Now Russia is DOING THIS AGAIN! But it's also to the World this time!
This is, yet again, something that we should've learned about in school. I've heard you mention the Holodomor in other videos, so thank you for highlighting this little known history. Well done Simon and team!
We stand with the people of Ukraine and I'm sure that we'll see the incredibly brave and determined Ukrainian democracy rise above this horrendously unjust war perpetuated by Putin. They need more help though!!
Looks like only ordinary people are supporting us, well there is Poland, Czech Republic, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia who give some support like taking refugees, but others looks like they waiting that we save them form bloody dictator. Look on a map and you'll see that we have more longitude of border with enemy and so small on the west with friendly Poland. But we are fighting for our freedom, our democracy(which actually finally working) and our right to live, so far we kicking ass to invaders.
bro wtf, i've seen lots of horror, creepypasta, and psychological videos in my time on the internet but this is the first time i've ACTUALLY shivered
wtf
more then 200.000 deaths in war in urkaine already and counting
Get me a rifle and a fishing rod. I'll take my chances in the wilderness. F sticking around for that BS.
Holy fuck Simon, I knew about this but the way you present it makes it hit even harder. That closing ...mic drop
Stalin's mass famine of 1932-33 was NOT exclusive to Ukraine. For example, over 1 million people starved in Kazakhstan, and over 2 million starved in Russia. The Holodomor was NOT a genocide, but a politicide. For example, as I mentioned above, Ukrainians weren't the only people starved by Stalin and those who starved were the farmers and their families who wouldn't join the Soviet Collective farms, thus it was a political murder not an ethnic murder. It's intellectually dishonest to say that Stalin exclusively starved Ukrainians because Kazaks & Russians were starved in the millions too!
They were peasant farmers who largely spoke Ukrainian and put in context with the assault on Ukrainian academics and intelligence and Ukrainian identity idk … im Leaning on genocide lately.
@@bentrinker1937 So you’re denying the fact that over 2 million Russian farmers and 1 million Kazak farmers were also murdered during the Holodomor? It appears mate you’re trying to re write history and say it was exclusively done to the Ukrainians.
@@maxsportsman2416 what is your point? Are you asking me do the deaths of more farmers in other places make the Holodomor worse or am I denying them which I’m not? I feel like that would just go to show that the Soviet union was an even worse state, and than people give it credit for being. So I’d ask again what it ur point?
@@bentrinker1937 You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said that the famine deaths in one country are more important than the deaths in the other country. I was simply stating that the Holodomor famine was not exclusive to Ukrainian peasant farmers but also to ANY FARMERS WHO REFUSED to join the Soviet Collective Farms. For example, over one million Kazak and over two million Russian farmers were starved during the Holodomor. So to claim that the Holodomor exclusively murdered Ukrainians is a terrible lie.
Thank you for this, Simon. Prayers for all of those affected then, and now. Hugs
The fact that many of my peers are calling themselves “communists” is a sad reality. It’s like saying you’re a nazi. My grandparents narrowly escaped communist China and know firsthand the dangers of communism.
Thank you for telling the truth. It will NOT make you popular, but you have my gratitude. Slava Ukraini
I had a chance to talk about The Holodomor with both of my grandmas. They were kids at that time. My fathers mom said a lot of people died when they eat "the bread" made from milled river plants for the first time, she said some river plants are edible but if you was starving for months you have to eat bit by a bit. She showed me photos with many relatives (her father, mother uncles and aunts with her cousins), Families were big at that time and added that only she and her older sister survived. My grandma said that Bolsheviks took all the food from her family and people were not allowed to go to pick up firewood to the forest or go to the river, her father had to do it secretly at night, her mother (my grand grand mom) died first, she was giving all the food they were able to find to the kids and her father was caught almost at the end, just before Stalin decided to return grain they took back to Ukraine. I was shocked. IMO Putin just wants to repeat what Stalin did before, he calls it to solve [Ukrainian] question, replace with your nation in brackets.
thank you Simon. sharing.
I don’t think we can gloss over the effect of persecuting the kulaks. For the most part they got to be richer than their neighbors by being more efficient and productive than their neighbors. Get rid of them and you’re guaranteed to have a bad harvest.
You obviously dont know what a kulak is
@@konstantinkelekhsaev302 A farmer that had on average 2 acres of land and employed a handful of people to help with the harvest. You are the only one who appears not to know what a Kulak is, or know anything else for that matter.
@@99EKjohn Good Lord You Are A Dummy. Even the poorest peasant households pre revolution had around 2 tithe (5.4 acres) land allotment.
Was Everyone A Kulak Back Then ?