The Holocaust The New York Times Ignored
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Between 1932 and 1933, the Soviet Union deliberately starved to death somewhere between 7 and 10 million people, mostly Ukrainians, in an act of genocide known as the Holodomor. But almost no one outside of the Soviet Union knew about this holocaust for decades. The film “Mr. Jones” directed by Agnieszka Holland and starring James Norton and Peter Sarsgaard shows us why.
The film is based on the true story of freelance Welsh reporter Gareth Jones. In the midst of the Great Depression and the global economic turmoil that came with it, Jones is concerned about the situation in Germany where Hitler has just risen to power. He’s convinced that the Nazis are a threat to the rest of Europe. But given the economic realities of the times, there’s no way Britain could afford another war. The only solution Jones sees to the imminent threat of Hitler and the Nazis is an alliance with Stalin and the Soviet Union who are, according to all the news reports, not simply weathering the crisis, but actually flourishing.
Jones arranges a trip to Moscow with the intention of interviewing Stalin and assessing the Soviets’ ability to hold off a hostile Germany, but when he gets there, he discovers a new mystery. Things aren’t quite right in Moscow. Surveillance, dodging questions, travel restrictions, questionable arrests, suspicious deaths. And hushed whispers by foreign reporters of “something big” happening in Ukraine.
Jones manages to get some unsupervised time in Ukraine-an area that was supposed to be the Black Earth Region, the breadbasket of Europe-and finds horrific conditions. The people there are starving. The grain they’re forced to grow on the newly-collectivized farms is confiscated, along with everything else edible. The people are resorting to eating tree bark and even cannibalism.
This is what the reporters in Moscow were whispering about. This is what New York Times Bureau Chief (and Pulitzer Prize winner) Walter Duranty attempted to distract him from in Moscow. And when Jones finally makes it back home and begins to speak and write about what he saw in Ukraine, it’s what Duranty and the rest of the foreign press corps in Moscow promptly discredit through The New York Times and their home newspapers despite knowing that Jones is telling the truth.
The Communist Party, led by Stalin, managed to cover up millions of deaths -- a true holocaust -- through a combination of censorship, intimidation, and the willful complicity of people like Walter Duranty and The New York Times. Although the press largely ignored the Holodomor nearly a century ago, Mr. Jones offers serious lessons that force us to reflect on the state of journalism in 2020.
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Thank you for covering this. I am a Ukrainian and I heard some "stories" about that time from older folks. The death is not the biggest tragedy, but rather what hunger does to people. In "what" it turns them. You wouldn't imagine how far some would go in order to survive or to save a loved one.
Never let your government take your freedom. Or mother would have to feed one kid with corpse of other.
Touche´! Well said!
I saw a capitalist and communist debating at politicon. When the communist said that he wondered why people wouldn’t indulge communism, the capitalist said it was responsible for millions of deaths in Europe alone.
The communist then said “Oh here we go !” and rolled his eyes.
His apathy to all the death and unwillingness to acknowledge it really stayed with me.
Yeah, I think it would stick with me too if I saw a guy literally rolling his eyes at the mention of millions of people dying! XD
Yes, but remember " You can't build a Global Ommolete without breaking a few Billion Eggs ".
Jorge Gomes you sound remarkably like Senator Armstrong (The Main Villian) Of Metal Gear Rising Revengence with the quote “I am making the mother of all omelets Jack! Can’t fret over every egg!”
I thought he was gonna scream"Not true communism, Karl Marx didn't mention millions of death in his manifesto.Reeeeeee"
Yes but remember stalin was corrupt and insane and basically opposed the communist manifesto
As a Pole, I want to thank you for telling people about the misery of living under communist regime, and I am grateful for sharing the horrible story of our neighbor, Ukraine.
Przepraszam za rzeź w Wołyniu
America is heading into that dark time, may God have mercy on us.
It's sad how many idiots want to see this in the USA. They aren't the smartest people 😕
This a tragedy but its not a genocide.
Most Americans know that Stalin starved millions to death. I learned about the Holodomor specifically in HS in the ‘90s.
I love how RUclips thinks they need to provide context on the Holocaust for this video. Wrong war crime, stupid algorithm
Different scenario, same pattern.
RUclips doesn't acknowledge communist genocides.
well, the NYTimes covered up for both...
It's probably a case of: "Video uses the word 'Holocaust' in the title."
EDIT: The above hypothesis has been disproven.
@@gamesmithy Or the Armenian Genocide, for that matter.
why am I not surprised I never once heard of this in school
Just look for Nazino affair or Mao Zetung biography and you will become an anti-communist.
You need to support your team that's why.
Legion are you a millennial? This was standard curriculum back in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s, so I’m trying to,figure out why so many comments here say “I never knew about this.”
@@jpe1 schools got highjacked by commies
I'm a millennial and I did hear about it, but I'm an old millennial so it may have been phased out after the soviet union fell.
As Ukrainian I can't thank you enough for covering Holodomor. We learned not to believe commies and russians. Never again.
There are some people who want to listen, but never get the chance. Thank you for waiting.
Stay safe man.
My heart goes to Ukraine 🇺🇦 love form Canada, never agian.
I'm glad my family immigrated here when they did, before Stalin.
Strangely Ukrainian I think in America, you get a better sense of the realities ofCommunism if you go to a Catholic high school - though I am sure that varied with individual teachers and is less likely now that the Marxists own the Education departments of most universities. A few years ago, a friend who was getting her teaching license took a seminar class called “comparative educational philosophies “ when she got to class, she learned that the educational philosophies being compared were those of Lenin and Mao.
As a person that lived for 25 years in the Fidel Castro murderous regime until I scaped 4 years ago. I just want to say thank you for the work that you all do.
You got a story to tell, bro. Let the people hear it! Use your voice!
Hope you are doing well.
hi there i just read this and id like to ask your opinion, what is the cause of communism in USA we can see all the other countries where it failed but still some believe in it. its definitely in education (look up teachers union and a couple of other interesting things like making you sign a NDA to not look at your kids schoolwork or something like that the specifics escape me at this time)
@nhà độc tài Yang Wen Li Hello người anh em Việt Nam.
Quick question: What were YOU doing there?
"Those who trade freedom for security end up with neither."
milton friedman
You could say freedom has a price as well it must be constantly fought for otherwise it can be taken from you
@Central Intelligence Agency There is a difference between having order and giving up all rights for a totalitarian state.
@Central Intelligence Agency All of those agencies are there to protect government power. Government of any kind is the most proficient enabler of mass death and oppression there is. So yes, get rid of them.
@@bluesky4637 The original quote even said "essential liberty" and "a little temporary safety"
The new York times and media in general has become too concerned about their agendas rather than reporting truth
Because they support communism
Always have been and always will be. We can just add this whole incident on to the pile of reasons as to why I distrust the media.
My grandfather was Ukrainien, thank you for talking about this.
My nana came to NYC from the Ukraine when she was 16. This was just prior to the start of WW1. I wouldn't be here otherwise. I am still outrageously disgusted as all hell that I was not aware of this until perhaps 7 or 8 years ago - yet I was as young as 7 or 8 back in the 70s when I first starting learning of the "Holocaust" and the "evil Nazis". PATHETIC.
Finally, someone acknowledges the plight of Ukraine!
I grew up in a immigrant community in Pennsylvania made of Ukrainains and Poles, and I grew up hearing the stories of persecution, starvation, and the atrocities that happened. And now, I see people praising him, people who refuse to see what happened to them, And all the people that never made it Home again, where us Ukrainain Catholics had our Religion banned due to suspected treason for Rome, And Famines Stalin deliberately caused to us.
It fills me with anger, and I hate Those who Continue Acting like nothing happened. You do good work here.
Hello from Ukraine. And I fully agree with you.
But do you vote Democrat?
@@gamesmithy - No, of course not! People like AOC,and Bernie Sanders are propogating Socialism right now,why would I continuously vote for the party that supports their campaigns??
That, and I miss the 2020 election by only three months, so I can't really vote yet. :(
i would avoid mentioning catholicism in this themes because they also sided with dictatorships whenever they could, i they were chased out its merely because the state considered them competition, not enemies
As a Latvian who lost family members to Stalin I totally understand what Ukraine and Poland endured as the Baltics suffered horrifically as well under Stalin's iron fist
Walter Duranty was just the start. They got awards from Castro for their obfuscation of the cuban atrocities. They also seem very friendly to China.
The New York Times also loved Corporal 'Stache.
It wasn't the start. Pulitzer himself was a democrat party member and activist, a propaganda journalist. That dates to much earlier. Then prizes in his name were of course given to NYT mostly, for propaganda pieces.
Pulitzer has always been a shill and worthless prize, just like the Nobel Peace Prize.
In soviet Russian the lucky ones who Left were Right.
r/iamhavingastroke
You know Yuri Bezmenov?
I am descended from Germans that started a colony called Kautz (Werschinka), near Saratov, that started during the reign of Catherine the Great in 1766. When things were getting bad, some of my family escaped back to Germany in 1904. My part of the family then sailed to USA. Some died during the starvation period in the late 1930's in the Soviet Union. The Soviets gave them a choice to continue farming their private land, or work on a collective. They chose their private land and were punished by authorities by forfeiting their possessions and and were sent to Siberia. In 1961-1964 the Russian Army destroyed the village of Kautz and other similar villages. At about the same time many Germans were returning from Siberia. It is hypothesized it was done to discourage Germans returning to the area. Before the communists took over Russia, Kautz was a self-sufficient village. Currently, most of my relatives live in US, Germany, and Siberia, Russia.
@@chrispeter5799 I have heard of him. The KGB defector. His discussion about ideological subversion is fantastically scary. Especially now that US is showing the late stages of it. ruclips.net/video/KLdDmeyMJls/видео.html
If you know him, you may like Gary Allen:
ruclips.net/video/XhxpIFTkxMk/видео.html
@@12vscience your ancestors story rly got me and thx for the xtra link bro
And I thought the French revolution was when journalism went to hell. This period seems more on the nose.
Some journalists went on fullmurder mod during this era. They killed inocent people by spreading lies and rumors. It was a sad bloodshed. The brits managed their revolution better than us.
What happened to Journalism in French Revolution?
@@prasadpawar7027 research it! Basically the French Revolution had mass murder of anyone who didn't agree with the revolutionaries. Speaking out about their excesses got the guillotine.
@@prasadpawar7027 look for "la terreur" (Reign of Terror)
@@prasadpawar7027 Marat and the reign of terror.
Our great grandparent's farm was taken when my grandfather was about 8 years old. His older brother spoke out about the injustice, and was taken away in the night, never to be heard from again. Thank you for recognizing this story. I appreciate you encouraging us all to be people of integrity.
To similar to my great grandfather in Ukraine from what my grandmother told me. He was a prominent farmer in his town and had many employees, while the town was starving he did his best to hoard grain in a secret location from the communist to feed the town only to be ratted out. My grandmother told me her and the women were forced to watch as my great grandfathers employees were all subject to firing squad and my great grandfather was taken to Moscow (The gulag) never to be seen again.
@@JD-qt2yi You've shared your side of the story, now share the truth. From what you wrote alone, it's clear that your great grandfather cared more for profit for himself than actually helping people. It's sad, but during a famine, he put greed ahead of empathy
Just finished watching the film. I haven't watched something that's pissed me off so much I a while. The fact that they've never revoked Durarty's Pulitzer is a disgrace and should be brought up when anyone has the gaul to pretend the New York Times is some bastion of truth.
The NYTS is the BASTARD of truth
Durante.
Well said.
Because it’s all fake. They create the narrative and they give themselves awards for doing it. Imagine believing people gain things based on merit and hard work.
I would like to remember that there were also the *volga germans* that got decimated by the Soviets
My family was part of that group. I'm very glad they left Ukraine before the Revolution.
@@muricaforever2978 Now your name is muricaForever...
So were khazakhstanis. The animal soviet confiscated all the animals, which died from disease and over crowding. Human genocide followed.
@@mumbairay And then the Soviet Union screwed the Kazakhs over further with the Semipalatinsk test site-said to be uninhabited past a certain point but populated by nomads.
@@marymcelroy6157 Also, many of the people from other parts of the USSR were deported to out land - Kazakhstan. As my grandgrandma said, there were many people dying from hunger, and they helped them by bringing them any type of a food. I won't ever forget these stories and history of my people.
My great grandfather never threw away any food, he ate everything, even if it was quite rotten or otherwise spoiled. My great grandmother would have panic attacks if there were no at least one sack each of mallet and salt in the house. They both survived 32-33. Most of their families didn't. If only this movie would`ve been made earlier. Maybe then i would see less underage communists coming up with dozens of poor excuses for mass murder that happened.
They'll just say that it wasn't done right and repeat the same madness even going as far as to double down. I'm not sure if they just have broken minds or are simply evil.
@@invisibletosociety8338 well most pro commies have behavioral/psychological issues. Generally it comes from a deep feeling of insecurity. The equalization of everyone in a subconscious way, helps them to comfort themselves. The group think and conformity is a reflection of a deep need for validation. Communism can not take root in a healthy society.
@@sbragan5lg76i that makes sense, it's very sad and frightening how weak they really are.
@@invisibletosociety8338 There's a difference....?
Reminds me of my great-grandfather, who also survived. He was just a little child who saw his toddler brother, his friends, and his grandparents die a horrible death. When he was older his biggest rule was that the children always eat first, something he learned from his grandparents who had starved because they had given all their food to the children.
I think the only reason he survived was because his family had connections to a family of jews who knew how to gather for mushrooms and to prepare them.
It's also really interesting how this still lingers in our family, even though it's so long ago. My mother always has to have a lot of extra reserves of food or she will get anxious.
Woops I've written more here than I had originally planned, It's just something that's really important to me and my family.
7:05 Orwell gave the best response to that quote:
"Well, where's your Omelet?"
Damn!!! Durante is going to need aloe vera for that burn.
"B-BuT oRwElL wUz A sOcIaLiSt!!"
The pigs of Animal Farm : ''we ate it.''
@@DonVigaDeFierro He was though. 1984 isnt the only novel orwell has written, yknow. I reccomend reading homage to catalonia, it speaks of his experiences with the anarchist rebels of Spain. (Just a reminder that marxism-leninism isnt the only form of socialism.)
what do you mean???? that the communist and socialists and US social democrats are not the same????
in all fairness, it is often difficult to see the differences in viewpoints which are too different to you
I have heard of the holodomor, but I never heard about Gareth Jones Thanks for uploading his story It is important that people like him are remembered
Whoever made and released this movie has a brass pair in this current political & cultural climate.
Absolutely, thats a Mr. Jones himself. Mad respect.
Well, it was directed by a Ukrainian. If anyone knows a thing or two about the evils of Stalin’s regime and left wing authoritarianism in general, it would be them.
@@garrettsattem4799 And the Georgians. Remember Tbilisi(Tiflis) April 9th 1989.
@@garrettsattem4799 The movie's director is a Pole. And the movie discreetly showed what will be the western attitude towards Poland. During one of the first scenes Jones (at that time still interested in communism) tries to warn the british government "Germany will surely attack Poland, let's ally the Soviets". And from now on Poland isn't mentioned at all. Jones' attitude is basically "Let's just already assume that there's no Poland, all hail Stalin".
@@JohnSmith-zs9vr A polish director? Huh, I remember reading somewhere that he was Ukrainian. Oh well.
As a descendant of the Ukrainian people, I thank you. Not many indulge in the learning of other countries' histories, even fewer learn about the darker ones. It warms my heart that some people pay heed to the lessons that history teaches us.
Thank you for covering this, I'm Ukrainian and as you can guess it's quite a painful topic to be forgotten by the rest of the world
Glad to see the Holodomor brought up. Explaining the severity of it has lead to people all but denying it "if it was really that bad why haven't I heard of it" for me the worst part is when people then refuse to look into it themselves and wonder how people deny the Germans Holocaust.
One line that stuck with me was "Stalin is not the man you think he is." It really pulls you into the context, out of the omniscient modern view.
Oh, so we can thank Duranty for that saying. I heard it came from an American supporter of communism, but never realized it was someone with that much influence.
Apparently Orwell replied: "So where's your omelet?"
Also there was the Goloshchekin Genocide in 1930-1933. An artificial famine that wiped out nearly 40% of ethnic Kazakhs.
There's an almost endless amount of these kinds of atrocities coming from 20th century communism :(
Foundation for Economic Education it still hasn’t been recognized as a legit genocide by the UN, I believe. not many know about the forced deportations of ethnic minorities either: Koreans, Chechens, the Karachays etc.
Foundation for Economic Education also please do one about anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union
Well as a romanian I know very well about the "death canal" massacre that my grandfather almost fell victim to. It wasn't just famine in the death canal.
I am descended from Germans that started a colony called Kautz (Werschinka), near Saratov, that started during the reign of Catherine the Great in 1766. When things were getting bad, some of my family escaped back to Germany in 1904. My part of the family then sailed to USA. Some died during the starvation period in the late 1930's in the Soviet Union. The Soviets gave them a choice to continue farming their private land, or work on a collective. They chose their private land and were punished by authorities by forfeiting their possessions and and were sent to Siberia. In 1961-1964 the Russian Army destroyed the village of Kautz and other similar villages. At about the same time many Germans were returning from Siberia. It is hypothesized it was done to discourage Germans returning to the area. Before the communists took over Russia, Kautz was a self-sufficient village. Currently, most of my relatives live in US, Germany, and Siberia, Russia.
This was the last film I saw before lockdown. Had no idea it was a Welsh journalist who blew the lid on this. It's a good film and I encourage you to watch it.
I find it funny that RUclips has a “context” notice on this video... linking to a Wikipedia article about the Holocaust... even though this video is about the Holodomor.
victim hierarchy? certain lives matter more than other lives.
Lol RUclips deleted my comment :c
Like they're literally saying "hey! Don't focus on what the video is talking about. Focus on this, instead!"
@@alpw1234 Certain Holocausts matter more than others.
They cover it up just like NYT did. Communists all.
While studying for my masters in Russian history, one book I was assigned was "Red Famine" by Anne Applebaum. I found this to be a very informative work on the Holodomor. I look forward to viewing this movie.
Fantastic video, this is a part of history that unfortunately, almost no one has heard of, and yet is so important.
These “out of frame” videos should be shown in schools.
Being welsh this film made me proud that someone from my country went out and exposed the famine. It also annoys me so many people from wales are socialists/communist and they act like the ideology is what we need to be prosperous again. When the film was coming out I was hoping it would become mainstream and it would show the people of wales communism was and is not the answer. What gets to me even more is that no one in wales knows about this man he’s forgotten there’s a small sign mentioning him in Cardiff that’s it. The reason this happened is because the welsh government is left leaning and won’t criticise the ideology the secretly support.
I believe that there's a plaque in Aberystwyth as well. Both he and Malcolm Muggeridge were awarded the Ukrainian Order of Freedom posthumously.
I had never realised that Muggeridge had sent reports from the USSR, in the same way as Jones, in 1932-33, highlighting the situation. I had always seen him as a rather pompous old conservative, opposed to The Life of Brian. I never knew that he had gone to the USSR as a communist sympathiser and the experience had turned him into a more right wing thinker.
most people who are socialists or communists haven't even worked a day in their life and are under 18 once they work they learn
I agree, but the right don't even want Wales to exist seperate from England, culturally or politically. So which is worse?! I'd take a little corruption and Wales existing well into the future, than being absorbed into England, with all its culture and history being passed of as English. The Mabinogi has already been used for the basis of Lord of the Rings. King Arthur as an English kings, so on and so on.
Socialism and communism aren't the same thing. Wales is also a capitalist country
I read a book about Stalin back in the mid-70s when I was in junior high school. The book had this in it. It was horrifying.
Not only on Ukraine.
But also In Kazakhstan.
Kazakhs lost 40% of their population.
Why does every single movie or book in English about anything related to the Soviet Union (or even Russia) have to do the stupid mirrored "R"? WHY!? Its not the equivalent of a cyrylic "R" - its pronounced Ya. Thats right, Mя. Jones is therefore pronouce M'ya Jones - stupid right?
it's mostly because it the most recognizable thing about the Russian alphabet and it's because hollywood elites think that people aren't smart enough to know a movie is set in Russia i they don't include it
Well that reality but it could be worse it could be a film that not even talk bad about communism and talks how bad capitalism is
it's instantly recognisable - the same way Omega is often used for films detailing the exploits of Greek heroes, or the Cross/Jesus when discussing topics related to Christianity
Interesting that a backwards "R" was your one takeaway from this entire sad video.
Isn't He a Mayor?!
It's really cool to see this being talked about since my great grandfather almost lost his life in Ukraine along with his whole family under Stalin
I don’t understand all the “I never learned about this in school” comments. It was standard curriculum back in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s; has something changed?
@John Early - Seriously?
Never heard the word Holodomor before but did learn about it in school, of course I was home schooled.
Though I wouldn't assume it isn't in standard curriculum just because people don't remember hearing about it. I have a friend that didn't know who the US fought in the revolution and I know that was covered.
I went through high school in the first half of the 1960s and never heard even a whisper about this.
fuck man even i knew that stalin intentionally starved millions. then again i learned that outside of school so....
Finished class of 2017 never heard about this we only learned about what Stalin dude during and after the war
I'm so thankful I've had the initiative to learn the important history schools will never teach us. I'm also thankful for the content creators like you, who've made me see the world in a more accurate way as a result.
This was truly brilliant. As a person from Hong Kong with a Welsh Grandfather (Mr Jones was also a Welsh boy) this story really resonated with me. Keep up the good work.
I first learned of the Holodomor from a bumper sticker at age 57. A little digging on line and found out more. Chillingly contemporary story. I want to live a peaceful life, do my business and take care of my disabled wife. But there are forces at work in America that are leading down the path of Gareth Jones' world.
"make sure of all things, hold fast to what is fine"! (1Thess.5 :21, the Bible) hard times ahead, so hold fast!
Why am I not surprised that this film didn't become popular.
How true…..
I wish we were taught about the Holodomor in US public school. I remember my high school history classes briefly covering the USSR, while having laser-focus on WW1 and WW2 and Germany. Why don't we talk about the evils of communism? Why am I only learning about it in my twenties?
Because those who commited most of the Soviet crimes are of the same group which drives the academic and media narrative in the us
Full government-controlled public schools in the US (Actually think in every country,but I can only speak as an American) should go back to being the minority. Private and Charter schools MUST become the common majority. This way Parents Just Don't blindly throw their kids interpublic indoctrination, but instead have a choice of where to send their children that would be the best. Expense is the main issue of course, but I think if they were more numerous the prices would go down.
@@alexdunphy3716 You are telling me that the US the people who fought globally against communism and socialism in all aspects. You are telling me that these people are hiding the evils of communism?
Why the fuck would they?
There was a little thing called the cold war. Please tell me one reason why the US would hide this crime against humanity.
@Hidden Aspects There is no Holodomor.
Just a famine.
@@personaldove We don't listen to porn addicted anime commies.
I can’t believe I forgot about that Captain America quote towards the end, now I can’t think of a more suitable quote that fits our current relationship with the media.
As someone who studies history and intends to go into higher level education as an educator, lessons like these are so important to keep in mind.
Excellent analysis here and I’ll definitely have to check out the film!
6:11 I gotta disagree with you there. I fear the man who ignores crimes against humanity for his own hedonistic pleasures less than I fear the man who looks at those crimes against humanity and says "yeh, this is what I believe in. This is good, this will bring about an Utopian society".
Fear is perhaps a different issue, but the reason I'm generally less concerned about the latter is because committed communists are rare and almost always tell you exactly what they believe. The people who just casually sit by and accept totalitarian horrors without challenge are far greater in number and they mostly rationalize away their actions.
But they ultimately are the ones who allow these things to happen and lie to the people about what happens in countries ran like this. That garners support for communism, socialism, and leads many down the ugly path those terrible leaders take advantage of. Silence or active suppression is much scarier because even if there is truth shown, we've been so conditioned to believe what the others tell us that we write them off as "conspiracy theorists". It's horrible.
@@FEEonline 1) committed communists are irrational, and will happily murder millions of people for their ideology, the people who follow their pleasures have no such loyalties, and will abandon ship as soon as the going gets tough. 2) the committed communists seem to know how to manipulate human psychology. they seem far greater in numbers than they may actually be, or perhaps it is even more than it seems, they attach themselves to the media, to our schools, and to our politics like a tumor, honestly, politics was already a tumor in my opinion. 3) the committed communists have a far greater effect on the world than the boot lickers, they are the ones who start the revolution, they are the ones who order people to do the killings, and they are the ones who justify their own atrocities after the fact, hoping to start again some time later. without the ideologues, there would have never been a holodomor, or a holocaust at all. perhaps it is irrational to fear the committed communists more than the pleasure seeking hypocrite, in much the same way that one might fear terrorists more than car accidents, but the likelihood of a bad thing happening isn't the only thing that people consider, how bad the thing is often plays a far greater role in what people fear more.
Perhaps. Like you, I might fear the latter more, but it is the former that I despise.
@@FEEonline I hadn't quite looked at it from that perspective but you raise a good point.
Hi Sean, excellent work, as always.
I just wanna ask: Can you make an Out Of Frame video about Richard Jewell and the dangers of the media manipulation and institutionalized corruption within Law Enforcement? I think there's a lot of topics you can cover with that movie (witch I loved BTW)
Greetings from Venezuela.
Venezuela? I guess you may have witnessed firsthand how horribly wrong socialism inevitably always goes.
@@TH3F4LC0Nx Of course I have. And I wil never defend the bastards who destroyed my country with an evil leftist ideology like socialism is. I dont buy that propaganda that everything is the US fault.
I actually haven't watched it yet. Though it might give me an excuse to talk about another movie I've wanted to bring into a video for a long time: The Thin Blue Line.
@@TheBuenaventura93 I hope you all get that new president you were pushing for; maybe Venezuela can go back to the way it was. You have my sympathy. It's not easy to watch the country you love go down the toilet. It's happening right now in America. :(
"We defeated the wrong enemy" -General Patton
I hadn't heard the term Holodomor until two years ago. But I was aware of it.
I have not heard it until _now_.
Excellent summary and review of the film. The thing that I most loved about this film is the use of Orwell as an allegory for those intelligent enough to see what Stalin and communism were all about. OF course, Mr Jones sees it BRUTALLY with his own eyes, and Orwell saw it firsthand in the Spanish Civil War. AND BOTH WEREN'T BELIEVED or had active disinformation campaigns against what they saw. And both have been massively vindicated by history.
As Orwell wrote (and as relevant as ever):
"This kind of thing is frightening to me, because it often gives me the feeling that the very concept of objective reality is fading out of the world. After all, the chances are that those lies, or at any rate similar lies, will pass into history....The implied objective of this line of thought is a nightmare world in which the Leader, or some ruling clique, controls not only the future but the past, if the Leader says of such-and-such an event , "It never happened" - well, it never happened. And if he says that two and two are five - well, two and two are five."
And therein you see the looming shadow of why he had to write "1984"......
But that wasn't "real communism".
“It’ll work for sure when we do it!”
- every communist ever, including all the dead ones
Yeah, those weren't "real atrocities" either, I bet.
@@silvussol8966 Communism cannot work because it has 2 options :
- a.) the person believes in communism
- b.) the person doesn't believe in communism
now communism, works on the principle that everyone has an integral part in society.
what do you do with the one who doesn't believe in a communalistic nature of humans?
deport? lenin was deported... and he came back
execute? well... yes.
since this effect doesn't happen in a democracy(you work for your own shit, not for the collective) it doesn't have to deal with radical ideologies in normal/peace times.
Communism would only work if the Human race was 1 big communistic hivemind.
but we aren't... sooo.
because communism is an illusion
im greek and my history teacher is a hardcore communist, when i asked him about holodomor, he just said it is capitalistic propaganta and never happened, he also said that all the photographs were from america during the great depression
he also said to a ukrainian kid that came to escape the war that it didnt happen
They won't show the inevitable end of their political beliefs
Thank you for covering this. As a pole being educated about soviet atrocities seems like a given, although I feel as if this isn't taught enough in countries that didnt experience soviet attrocities and the soviets are often portrayed as "good guys".
The same in Finland, and yes, I agree, the West doesn't seem to care too much.
thank you so much for posting this, it makes me sick how the world just forgot
I remember reading about this in a Thomas Sowell book. Never forgot it.
Vyacheslav Chornovil.
My school is named after him, and i have since moved on to university. Why does he matter, why name school after him?
He is a journalist. While under stalin Ukraine suffered literal genocide, the time has passed. It was not forgotten nor forgiven, but regime keeps itself above by denying you escape. It tries to tell you all is well, that you prosper - and tell the world you prosper. But that is silly with naught to back it up
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The Berlin wall has long fallen. But ussr could not affrd accepting it's defeat. So it deflagrated, and among the many things that happened we would break away (And so would Chechnya). Salvation story? Not at all.
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Vyacheslav Chornovil was a journalist at that lovely time of early independence. Of exposing the truth of what passed and what is. But people are merely human. Socium is highly personal, it's far more about the families and connection than we want to admit. When one proposes to overthrow the governments they forget how much is tied to names, connections and families.
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His expose would be unbearable, and even calamitous for those that wish to conserve what they have. Even if earned by others' blood. Even if they need to do so again. On a trip to Kyiv, an ambush was set for him - KamAz truck with a suicide driver. The paperwork would be oh so conveniently never to be found relating truck and man, of which little remained to tell the tale.
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Naming school after him was a PR trick, to a degree. But done by conscientious people. I was in luck to be taught by one of them, my english teacher in fact - so i learned English, a language in which i have more access to wider gamut of press. So i learned of the perils of journalism... And how important it is to know.
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I was born in 1999. Same year as First Chechen war... A bloody conflict in which our troops mustered a volunteer force... A conflict that made many journalists enemy of russian throne for telling about the horrors that are burned bodies of men, women and children on blasted into ruin streets. For what? For wanting independence in their little corner of the world
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Wikipedia's article on first and second chechen wars is by no means a complete picture, nor can you believe it unbiased. But they convey the jist of it, russia exists by beating cultures and nations into submission. Even as we speak. In 2019 a peaceful protest to have a pointless choice of picking something akin to moscow town mayor (Which has far less of a role on governing and managing finance, mind you) lead to people being abducted into buses and driven away, physically beaten for wanting the choiice not issued by government
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My eyes are not blind to current war, a very similar attempt to "reclaim". I'm lucky to be on the other side of the country. I'm lucky my town is this close to Europe, and our government cooperates with it. I'm lucky to have been taught about Vyacheslav Chornovil - that's why i care about politics and journalism. It plays a bit with my natural multi-facet curiosity that made me learn about economics despite being a programmer.
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There's more on topic than i can tell. There's no movie on Vyacheslav Chornovil to speak about these. Andi could go on about what i read from russian (Exclusively state-owned) mass-media. I live in a country with foreign (russian) meme culture influence changing how children, and even grown people think. In a great example of a country that knowing your language and history matters.
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Wiki is by no means exhaustive. But it provides sufficient overview to understand historic context. Finding independent news outlets is far easier in internet. With this comment i don't mourn the many deaths for freedom. With this comment i celebrate that truth is harder than ever to suppres. And express my wish it only continues to proliferate
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There are still many challenges. Not the least of which are political bias, unfair coverage, and indeed, the persevering human networks of ambition. But you can learn about them. You can tell others why it matters to you. You can seek more equitable tomorrow.
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In celebration of free speech. Of language. And knowledge
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Well that sent me on a ride. Thank you for bringing up the history people should learn from and objective facts in the face of so much ignorance. May it provide some food for thought and express my gratitude for covering China and Middle eastern situation - i lacked context on them massively in recent history beyond post-ww2 British Borders mess-up and passing knowledge that there was in fact a democracy in china
In celebration of free speech, language and knowledge, indeed
Thank you for that comment. You have that spark of intellectual curiosity that has served you well. Bravo! I found the majority of these comments left me saddened at the pitiful state knowledge most ppl seem to possess. Yours was a breath of fresh air and realism.
@@susanray4059 You are always welcome, and glad that the few times i speak do count!
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Thank you for looking out into the abyss that is comments section and matching me in curiosity to not be scared off by text-wall
Dammit! Another movie I’m going to have to watch before watching your video. My life is so difficult
I never knew about this, thank you. I knew people were starved because of Stalin but not to this extent.
Most Americans know zip about their own history, and couldn’t find the Ukraine on a map with a gun to their head.
weißer Ritter you’re not kidding. I’m 68 and meet kids with degrees from ‘top’ colleges who are less well educated than I and my classmates were in sixth grade.
Do Mao Zedong as well too. Many people overlook his utterly disastrous 'Great Leap Forward' that caused even more Deaths by Hunger.
Thanks so much for the video! This movie really was difficult to watch, those scenes in the villages made me sit right back and freeze on how terrifying they were. Thinking of showing my Dad’s friend this, she’s Ukrainian and might have some interesting takes to add.
they sure didn't teach us about the Holodomor but they remind us of the Holocaust every chance they get..
This video inspired me to write my senior research paper on the Holodomor so thanks for this amazing video inspiring me
Besides holodomor, the truth about the Red Terror wasn't even known to the public until 1991 when the old soviet documents were released to the public. It revealed that since it's conception in 1917, the Soviet Union has been committing massive genocides on it's own people. The first one came in 1918 when, due to starvation and unemployment caused by the revolution, Lenin ordered several million people to be eliminated or sent to gulags. These genocides went on until 1952. Not many people know that the first communist country was literally running on genocide.
In school, we did all this stuff about the holocaust and how bad Hitler was. While I agree with it obviously, I'm disappointed. We never really talked about holodomor. At best, all that was talk about concerning it was that there was a famine in Ukraine at the time. In high school, we did have a chapter about Stalin's rule, but it just went over the general, like totalitarianism and stuff. Didn't really talk much about holodomor.
There are other tragedies we are very rarely if ever talked about. Holodomor, the Armenian/Greek Genocide, the Cambodian Killing Fields, etc. It's easier to pin the blame on the Germans and the Americans (in the case of the Trail of Tears) than it is to pin any blame on these communist "utopias".
The longer I live and the more I see the media react to tragedies being exposed while they suppress it (all these genocides plus downplaying the child sex trade), the more I realize just how evil and corrupt the world is.
I, for one, can never believe in the lie that we can make Heaven on Earth. Not while there are demons and devils running around openly.
I’m Ukrainian. Thank you for talking about it. It is very important for us. My family has survived but millions are not. My grand grand grand father was helping one boy, his neighbour, during Holodomor. From time to time my grandfather was giving some food for a boy. But one day he couldn’t find him anymore. When my grandfather entered boy’s house, where he used to live with his mother, grandfather did not find a boy, but boy’s mother was cooking meat. She lose her mind from hunger and eat her son. Imagine, how many stories we still don’t know. Because if you talk about it, you might be killed by government. But my grandfather told his kids this story. That’s how I know it.
I really hope that USA will recognise Holodomor like genocide of Ukrainians!
Casual Historian has a three-part series called "Conspiracy of Silence" that goes into more detail about the Holodomor, the effort to cover it up, and the later efforts to drag that horrible event into the light.
Also, Gareth Jones was about as close to Clark Kent that we're ever likely to get.
There's a book called Unfreedom of The Press that goes into much more detail.
Great book from levin.
The holodomor, was a horrible event that happend everywhere in the USSR, but in Ukraine especially, because most food was sold off
Both of my grandparents on my dad's side lived through this. My great grandfather was a member of the communist party who played a role in the holomodor. My grandfather was a communist until his last day on earth. My grandfather believed to his dying day that the holomodor was necessary to modernize Ukraine. All efforts for me or my father to broach the subject with him were met with my grandfather's ire and ended with us sitting in silence.
The book,”Harvest of Sorrow” by Robert Conquest describes the intentional starvation of rural families in Ukraine in the 1930’s.
Thank you for bringing this to the public
People keep telling me that Capitalism has killed billions more than Communism, I was wondering if this held any water.
It doesn't. Communism has killed more people than nearly anything short of natural disasters and plagues.
I'm a capitalist. Any time Capitalism kills, it's due to the same reason Communism spreads: Internationalism
All the countries where capitalism is killing is the same ones where the country's leader doesn't love his country, doesn't seek the greater prosperity of his country, and will just seek short term wealth sucking off of richer countries than loving his own country and national identity or longing it to be independent and strong on its own. This short term thinking is anathema to the very reason capitalism is so effective and liberating as explained by the Austrian School. Free markets and private property are mandatory, foremost, but equally is loving your nation and seeking what is best for it is just as important.
Which is why countries shouldn't be shelling out for a fascistic country like China for example. Should some extra profit really outweigh the soul and pride of your nation which will grant you wealth both monetary and spiritual?
The people who say this attribute every bad thing done by any person under a system that wasn't communism or socialism to "capitalism".
That is demonstrably false. Communism and Marxist thought have killed more people than the Black Death and the Third Reich combined. Capitalism can never kill as many people as communism, because capitalism is about keeping the power in the hands of the individual. Is it even necessary to say that an individual can't kill as many people as a government? I guess maybe you could chalk up something like the Johnson County Range Wars as "capitalist killing", but when you measure that against something like what the video is talking about, it pales by comparison.
I'd like to see a real argument for it. Because in thinking of "how" I only come up with Crime and maybe Corruption which I'd say are not things Communism does not solve but actually exacerbates.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana
This is such an important story for the present state of media and government narratives. While the circumstances are clearly different, the concepts are so similar when it comes to critical thinking and encouraging constructive dialogue that facilitates growth as a society.
Three related movies that you might watch along with "Mr. Jones" (2019), are "Reds" (1981), "The Death of Stalin" (2017), and "Dr. Zhivago" (1965). "Reds" is also about an American journalist covering Stalin's Russia. "The Death of Stalin" takes a look at Stalin's tyrannical rule, offering some insight into the reasons behind the mass starvation in Ukraine. "Dr. Zhivago" is a broader historical drama portraying the transition from Tsarist Russia into Communist Russia, from a civilian perspective.
The ending actually made me question my own morality, how far am I really willing to take it.
When I was reading Civil War it shocked me how patriotic Captain America was coming off. But now, I realize, it Stan Lee. Marvel went the other way after Stan Lee pasted. Thank you Stan Lee for all the great years of amazing comic books.
I came from Russia, the more i learn about Walter Duranty and his life and career the more i despise him. It is an absolute travesty that his Pulitzer has not been revoked.
I’m a Russian Jew whose roots are in the Ukraine (Commies loves shuffling people around). I thank you from the bottom of my heart for making this movie and publicizing it. 😍
(Did you really put Hannity with the bad guys...?)
I have recommended this to my son to watch - he is a huge "Bernie Sanders" fan - little does he realise the end result of some of these ideals. Any politician who gets a kick out of honeymooning in Russia and being an avowed socialistic needs to be taken with a grain of salt...
ThotSlayer Bernie is a self admitted Democratic Socialist, which Lenin, Stalin, and all the other Russian socialists were. Calling yourself democratic means nothing if there has never been democratic socialist regime in history, and considering it’s been over a century since the first socialist revolutions, I highly doubt it will ever happen.
You know what sucks, getting an unskipable ad in the middle of an emotional ending
"To struggle against censorship, whatever its nature, and whatever the power under which it exists, is my duty as a writer, as are calls for freedom of the press. I am a passionate supporter of that freedom, and I consider that if any writer were to imagine that he could prove he didn't need that freedom, then he would be like a fish affirming in public that it didn't need water."
Mikhail Bulgakov
I read about this 32 years ago in a library in Harrow. I have always questioned everything I have ever been told since. For any English person read the Babbage report. Shocking.
Ah Communism... It never saw a graveyard it didn't want to fill to maximum capacity... For the greater good...
Thank you for making these videos. They are a breath of fresh air in today's news cycle.
Depressing to think that media has just gotten even worse. Real journalist are so hard to find:(
When I realized you will be talking about Holodomor my stomach twisted... Thank you for talking about this
India was always aligned with the USSR and no wonder why India's only Capitalist leaning Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri died (under mysterious circumstances) during his brief visit to the USSR! #TashkentFiles
I am training as a freelance journalist.
Courageous journalists like Gareth Jones are an inspiration.
I was today years old when I learned there was a name for the seer amount or people killed during Stalin's reign.
holodomor.
My exwife's grandmother survived 2 years in the worst Siberian gulag. She even survived cannibal island.
Cannibal island sounds fucked up
just keep in mind there are woke millennial out there who worship Stalin Unironically
I love Stalin
Whenever I watch your videos it brings a smile to my face.
WOOH! I just watched this last night. We must have the same source :)
FBI OPEN UP
Interesting. Its a really big part of history and it shows horrors of communism so I would expect Americans to know about this.
They do. Every right wing news outlet will call burnie a socialist while talking about the horrors of the holadamore.
In a just world, Duranty’s pulitzer would be revoked and posthumously awarded to Gareth Jones, who ultimately gave his life for reporting the truth.
This film is even more important given the how corrupt the press has become in many parts of the world.
God bless us all 🙏🙏🙏
*I've been screaming at the top of my lungs about this and other mass murders committed by the "socialist paradise." And I WILL CONTINUE TO MY DYING BREATH!*
As a former citizen of the Soviet Union
(born 1976, native Siberian particularly the last living member of the yugh tribe)
I’d testify to these things, as a child I was often told about what happened to our Ukrainian brothers. Nobody will say this but it’s a part of the reason russia is in Ukraine today, they are still mad about their suffering and Russia is desperate to calm them. My people, personally are mad as well. Though I might be the only one of my tribe alive, my people and everything we can offer is going towards Ukraine
Holodomor denial should carry the death penalty