Comparing + Sizing MPPT vs PWM Solar Charge Controller

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  • Опубликовано: 5 янв 2025

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  • @DuetJustusFam
    @DuetJustusFam  7 лет назад +49

    Hey guys! Hope you enjoyed the video! It's a ton of info but I found an awesome video that goes into the technical differences between PWM and MPPT. Check it out here if you're interested in learning more of the "dirty details" → ruclips.net/video/wmyuxKmlBCk/видео.html. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll do my best to answer as many as I can... see you all on the next one 😎 ☀️

    • @abhishekkumar-oi8qk
      @abhishekkumar-oi8qk 6 лет назад +1

      Duet Justus thanks

    • @samudeenaziz3706
      @samudeenaziz3706 6 лет назад

      hi

    • @samudeenaziz3706
      @samudeenaziz3706 6 лет назад

      how to making solar

    • @BLITZCREEG
      @BLITZCREEG 6 лет назад

      im about to buy a system for my VW Rialta RV and i have 2 batteries already ran off the car that charges them but i want i want my own boondockind tech deck for my fridga nd computer and camera gear n tv basiclally everything but the AC!
      amazon has alot of decent deals around 60$ for 200 watts is what i want and i have a 2000 inverter already to hookup,so what solar panel, ,controller and baterry should i get?? ..btw cant afford Lithium yet..

    • @nonobebert7646
      @nonobebert7646 5 лет назад

      A question about the size of the controller : my system and my batteries are 12V, what If I connect my 2 12V 135W solar panels in series, do I divide 270 by 24 or by 12 ?

  • @lilysgarden9810
    @lilysgarden9810 4 года назад +2

    very easy to understand even from someone like me, a senior woman, who does not know anything but wants to build a solar powered small home. Thank you.

  • @gvjester
    @gvjester 2 года назад

    Just came across this video. Holy smokes, Outstanding vid, out of dozens, this is the BEST, most concise and easiest to
    understand I have seen!!! A little late but many thanks!! ☺

  • @beareramlal8842
    @beareramlal8842 3 года назад

    Hi There
    Its Beare Ramlal here from Gauteng, South Africa. Your videos are extremely useful. I'm currently designing a solar system for my small holding (small farm)
    Thanks for this initiative

  • @littlemisssunshine2931
    @littlemisssunshine2931 4 года назад +3

    As always incredibly clear and concise information that even I can comprehend, not that I'm unintelligent, my brain was just never wired for any electrical information; looks like that is slowly changing thanks to you. Thanks for sharing.

  • @robertgarbe6348
    @robertgarbe6348 7 лет назад +11

    As a practical matter in the context of a RV, except for very large arrays in very exposed situations and very careful panel placement, a PWM controller will come very close to most MPPT. Shading as you have noted is important and can be an overwhelming factor in a solar rig that moves from place to place and is affected by AC covers, campsite locations etc.

  • @avocado3748
    @avocado3748 5 лет назад

    You have been the only one that has broken it down in an understandable manner. Thank you!!

  • @trevortrevortsr2
    @trevortrevortsr2 4 года назад +1

    On smaller systems, it's worth noting that under 10watts MPPT stop tracking - so I use PWM on a small 20 watts system on my shed for charging car batteries with a well-matched panel that peaks at 17.5v - and an MPPT on my 280-watt system on my motor home where the panel peaks at 32volt and the lifepo4 battery is charged at 14.4volt. So i would say well-matched panels on sub 40watt systems PWM works well

  • @jeffreyscott4564
    @jeffreyscott4564 4 года назад

    Simple and concise explanation of the controller differences. This is going to help me build my solar system on my Overland truck build.
    Thanks for being so factual

  • @troyseagondollar4565
    @troyseagondollar4565 6 лет назад

    Incredible knowledge. I watched all three videos - panels, batteries, and controllers. Now I feel more comfortable talking with the solar companies. Thank you.

  • @haveminivanwilltravel
    @haveminivanwilltravel 3 года назад

    This is exactly what I have been looking for! Thank you. Great video!

  • @TomandLoriRVLife
    @TomandLoriRVLife 7 лет назад +5

    With each video, I get one step closer to installing solar on our rv! Thanks...VERY helpful, VERY informative!

  • @throwaway3661
    @throwaway3661 4 года назад

    Excellent explanation without too much wordies.

  • @Joshuatreelocal
    @Joshuatreelocal 6 лет назад

    You articulated everything well, and were concise, so I gave you a sub for not wasting my time! This is what I look for in videos

  • @klouism1
    @klouism1 7 лет назад +4

    Love it. Thanks. I find the simple illustration all I need. I am not too tech savvy so your videos will help me select what I need. Stay well & keep having fun.

  • @spanishcamarillo
    @spanishcamarillo 6 лет назад +24

    I spent hours trying to get these answers through other videos. Thank you for sharing this info! Super informative and helpful👍🏼

  • @59Wanders
    @59Wanders 4 года назад +1

    Hey, i love your simple and straight explanation. It really helps me. Thanks mate.

  • @falcundo
    @falcundo 6 лет назад

    Just found your channel. U do the best job I have seen simplifying the solar process. Will subscribe. Look forward to watching the archived stuff. Peace!

  • @DebjitDas93
    @DebjitDas93 4 года назад

    A lot of useful content in 7 minutes. Thanks!

  • @hogcat858
    @hogcat858 7 лет назад +13

    To make it simple for folks the way to go if you do not live where the sun shines all day and is cloudy alot, go with a MPPT controller. In a 12 volt battery system wire your panels for a 24 volt system. The MPPT can handle the higher voltage and charge your 12 volt batterys. The advantage is when cloudy the panels will still be putting out higher voltage with fewer amps to the controller. The controller changes the voltage into more amps to charge the batterys at 12 volts.
    But if you're out in the desert or where you get sunshine most of the day, either type MPPT or PWM will work fine.
    I found that a MPPT charge controller taking in wired for 24 volts solar panels will be charging a 12 volt battery system at nite parked under a street light!!!

  • @michaelm9621
    @michaelm9621 7 лет назад +5

    Keep up the video, this is a must have info.

  • @bbjnimens
    @bbjnimens 6 лет назад

    thx for your video and also for the reference to the AU Direct video... both much appreciated.

  • @gordonmcgill4532
    @gordonmcgill4532 4 года назад

    Fantastic! Crystal clear explanation and exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

  • @darrellwampler6473
    @darrellwampler6473 7 лет назад +3

    Thanks I always learn something from your videos! I always wondered about the amp size controller needed. Thanks so much.👍

  • @OfficialLILV
    @OfficialLILV 4 года назад

    Can I buy a bigger amp controller than what I need? I plan on buying more panels and want to be prepared

  • @soving
    @soving 4 года назад

    Great articulate and informative videos sir. Thank you.

  • @BeastyPLAYZ16
    @BeastyPLAYZ16 Год назад

    So I'm planning on making a solar system with 2 100w solar panels and I'm not to make a battery with eve 280ah cells with a daly 200a or higher bms and I was wondering if I was able to use a pwm charge controller for that kinda of system or would I have to get a mttp charge controller I'm building it for a micro camper

  • @bitworkx6028
    @bitworkx6028 7 лет назад +1

    Good well laid out information. I like the comparison charts too.

  • @MrHenstak
    @MrHenstak 4 года назад

    You have been helpful in your explanation and its really amazing thank you so much for those details.

  • @ph4rddesciple719
    @ph4rddesciple719 3 года назад

    So I connected a square foot solar panel to a 12 volt battery that was drained to 11 volts. The solar panel puts out 24-28 volts. After a few hours, the battery was back to 12 volts. Please explain why I need a "charge controller"..thank you for the video-better than most....

  • @andrewf.7813
    @andrewf.7813 2 года назад

    I have a Fronius primo inverter - not suitable for batteries in the future. Can you expand the Fronius system with an MPPT charger and batteries?

  • @toddramsay977
    @toddramsay977 7 лет назад

    Would love to see a vid about the differences between mppt vs own. I want to learn as much as I can about solar so I can engineer mine. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

    • @DuetJustusFam
      @DuetJustusFam  7 лет назад

      Hey Todd. There is a link to the technical video on these two types of controllers in my pinned comment on this video. Hope this helps give you all the info you need. Thanks for watching!

  • @spartty1856
    @spartty1856 Год назад

    Thanks for the guide, and about sizing, is it okay if you already have an available 20a SCC but then you only have a single solar Panel , can you use it to the 100w panel , while you are still planning to have a parallel Solar array soon? Or do I really need to calculate the panel and battery 1st and follow the recommendation for the SCC size? Thanks again...

  • @yindyamarra
    @yindyamarra 6 лет назад

    I’m only charging one deep cycle battery for my camping fridge for weekends ,I think I will stick with my PMW , and it’s shows me on the back when the fridge is using or isn’t using ,

  • @forestbrooks4025
    @forestbrooks4025 Год назад

    I understand the 50 amp requirement for the 600 watt solar system. But do a 600 watt solar array ever produce 600 watts. Most panels are only 15 to 20 percent efficient. Cheers great video

  • @vicarioustraveler1507
    @vicarioustraveler1507 7 лет назад +5

    Thanks for keeping it simple.

  • @faridmakkawi3174
    @faridmakkawi3174 5 лет назад

    always you are in right track ,informative

  • @onuohaaugustine1409
    @onuohaaugustine1409 Год назад

    Please I would like to know how to detect the current the charger controllers produce

  • @rdblankenship
    @rdblankenship 2 года назад

    I have a 100 watt panel output about 18V and need to charge 2 12 volt deep cycle batteries in parallel on my camper, is there anything besides what amp charger I should be concerned with?

  • @kevincislo5334
    @kevincislo5334 2 года назад

    Question? Can a MPPT charge controller be used with lead acid batteries? THX

  • @TheClaytonPaul
    @TheClaytonPaul 5 лет назад

    another great video ! well done !

  • @ekeochapascal2815
    @ekeochapascal2815 Год назад

    Nice and appreciative,but i need to see the diagram of the panel to the inverter to the battery and the building

  • @LeandroSantos-hv3nw
    @LeandroSantos-hv3nw 7 лет назад +1

    Very good videos. I am always learning. Best regards from Holland

  • @fishhuntadventure
    @fishhuntadventure 4 года назад +5

    Curious about this. Some PWM charge controllers will output 12v with a 24V input from the panels.
    Why do you believe this cannot be done?

  • @lemueldayo4805
    @lemueldayo4805 3 года назад

    Can I use 60a SCC for 4pcs 455watts panel in a 24v system?

  • @dhulbahante1dhaanto82
    @dhulbahante1dhaanto82 6 лет назад

    We get one step closer to installing solar on our rv! Thanks

  • @sopharpro
    @sopharpro 5 лет назад +1

    I will change PWM to MPPT soon!

  • @countryboycharlie9793
    @countryboycharlie9793 4 года назад

    Great video 👍

  • @InsaaniatDost
    @InsaaniatDost 5 лет назад +2

    Nice😊
    But pannels dont produce exactly 12 volts.. they can go up to 20 volts..
    So keeping this variation in mind.. how can we select a solar charger both in MPPT & PWM

    • @geraldhenrickson7472
      @geraldhenrickson7472 5 лет назад

      Controllers come with an open (max voltage allowable) voltage rating. Use that figure for calculations.. BTW...I have panels labeled as 20 volt, 30volt and 80 volt. Get a multimeter and starty measuring maximum voltage and current. Be careful.

  • @williamsantiago320
    @williamsantiago320 4 года назад

    Which 2 videos where you talked before this one?

  • @davionsterling8784
    @davionsterling8784 3 года назад

    which MPPT charge controller is the best to buy for a 3000 watt 24-volt system

  • @tokenhelpsdotcom5735
    @tokenhelpsdotcom5735 6 лет назад

    Hello, Just got the SMK MPPT Solar Charge controller, Please i need to understand the parameters,I know PV means voltage from sun P means charging power and U means voltage of battery what does Today mean? and when do u know the battery is fully charged as well as when do we know we are using the solar panel for grid and not the charge stored in the battery?

  • @ikechukwuogbenna3918
    @ikechukwuogbenna3918 2 года назад

    Can I connect two solar controller from the same solar panels?

  • @MrEricH5470
    @MrEricH5470 6 лет назад

    What if your solar array produces more amps than what you can find an average MPPT controller? Can you hook up two controllers to the same battery bank? For example, I want to have 8 - 310w solar panels. Each panel is rated at, (36.54V and 8.49A) which is (36.54V x 8.49A=310.22 rated watts per panel) even at 48v system configuration, it would be 51 amps.

  • @KT-uu7kc
    @KT-uu7kc 5 лет назад

    how to choose between high volts and high amps ? what are the possibilities we can go through them. i mean which charges the battery faster ?

  • @DianaSFNg
    @DianaSFNg 7 лет назад +4

    Wonderful information! Very helpful and clear. Thank you very much! 👍👍😊

  • @Yukonjackman1
    @Yukonjackman1 5 лет назад

    I need a video on 4, 6 volt batterys wired sitting side by side to make 12 volts with positive wire to a trailer on the left side and ground on the right side then attached a solar wireing from a controller attached along with a 3000 watt inverter attached,,,, every other battery banki see on RUclips is set 2 on top 2 below mine is 4 across the tongue of my travel trailer can ypu help me ?

  • @khaledhassan9126
    @khaledhassan9126 Год назад

    Yes I want to see the in details video please

  • @franciscambron
    @franciscambron 5 лет назад

    Clear concise explanation. Thanks

  • @davidfountainenato6366
    @davidfountainenato6366 Год назад

    Great teacher

  • @offgridcitytrapper7545
    @offgridcitytrapper7545 4 года назад

    Very well explained

  • @MrRegwilliams
    @MrRegwilliams 2 года назад

    Hi Michael. I have 6-495w panels,with 4-170amp agm batteries, what size MPPT would I need. Thanks Reg.

    • @MrRegwilliams
      @MrRegwilliams 2 года назад

      These panels are 11-45amps. Thanks Reg

  • @MrCancercbc
    @MrCancercbc 2 года назад

    Thank you. Amazing videos. Can you make a video about different types of inverters like Growatt or Must and what does hybrid means and being PH or PV... Thanks

  • @odayobaba8325
    @odayobaba8325 4 года назад

    wow good explanation thanks keep it up

  • @williamsantiago320
    @williamsantiago320 4 года назад

    Can you post the video that you talked about it ?

  • @johnneywesley9868
    @johnneywesley9868 5 лет назад

    please can you do a video on how to properly size your charge controller for you solar pales. Example lets say i have 64 panels of 150watts each. how can i select a suitable charge controller?

  • @WIZ56575
    @WIZ56575 3 года назад

    Is there a charge controller that when your battery is full it uses the energy directly from the solar panels saving the batteries only when the sun is down, if so please name the brand so I can purchase it

  • @kooloneism
    @kooloneism 4 года назад

    @Duetjustus A questuon here do 24v or 48v which battery arrangment last the longest ?

  • @MrMraza123
    @MrMraza123 4 года назад

    Thanks for explaining.

  • @--press
    @--press 3 года назад

    I have a 100 W topsolar panel with a pwm charge controler just to charge a normal car battery...it will not charge battery properly

  • @Steveski70
    @Steveski70 6 лет назад +1

    Hello from Canada!
    I have question, how do you determine size of your battery bank, how many amps base on your solar system. Let say if I have 400 W solar what would you recommend?
    Thx
    Steve

  • @ahmedakkad1952
    @ahmedakkad1952 5 лет назад

    how to calculate the solar panels needed tfot 10HP well water pump?

  • @Spva-s9k
    @Spva-s9k 5 лет назад

    Great man..i want to run solar panel and wind turbine togethere .can i attach both different energiese in one battery bank and inverter?

  • @mobilehomelife4028
    @mobilehomelife4028 5 лет назад

    Great video!

  • @petermoygannon698
    @petermoygannon698 5 лет назад

    my pwm 20/20 ...12 24 48 volt charge controller it won't work with my single house solar panel 180 watt ..why ???

  • @danielandrews7329
    @danielandrews7329 4 года назад

    What about 48v system with mppt vs pwm with 55v panels

  • @BillGAndrews
    @BillGAndrews 6 лет назад

    I have a 200 (2 panel) Renogy kit with PWM controller with 2 6 volt golf cart batteries totaling 225 amps at 12 volt. I plan on getting a 2000 watt pure sine inverter so I could run my microwave along with other things on the RV completely off grid. I would like to be able to use 110 amps per 24 hours and completely recharge that amount. Would I get more efficiency buying two more hundred watt panels and keeping my pwm controller or 1 - 100 watt panel (bringing the total to 300watts) and a MTTP controller?

    • @gigmanazmt2952
      @gigmanazmt2952 6 лет назад +1

      I have a similar system and the problem is not the panels or controller but the batteries. If your microwave is a small 600 watt unit that is 50 amps at 12 volts and over 100 amps if a 1200+ watt microwave plus if you are running anything else. Batteries to not last long if you discharge them much over 20-25 amps load or below 50% charge. For example your 225 amp hour battery will last much longer at a 25 amp per hour discharge for 4 hours than 100 amps per hour for one hour. Yes, I know you will not run your microwave that long but the idea is to keep the battery load below 25 amps per hour. l would add more battery capacity. My AGM 110 amp hr 12 volt batteries 10 years old and working well.

    • @blairbushproject
      @blairbushproject 5 лет назад

      GIGman azmt yah but having more panels is necessary or you could under charge consistently. You will need both. More panels and more batteries. And an mppt controller. Morning stars you can do up to 60amps I believe, and about 5 panels to max.
      110 amps per 24 hours constantly? That’s a large load for that system it sounds like. Maybe you mean 110 amps in a 24 hour period.

  • @Mazel_Tov_888
    @Mazel_Tov_888 6 лет назад

    What if your solar panels have solar charge controllers on them and the solar generator has a solar charge controller on it would that be a bad thing? Is it better if the solar panel have a charge controller on itself then feed a regular charge controller. Or once the solar panel sends voltage from the panel controller it can go directly to battery without any worries?
    Reply

  • @niallwildwoode7373
    @niallwildwoode7373 3 года назад

    I've had a Tristar PWM for years and it's worked well. But for the last year it's barely ever diverted overcharge to my dump load, and always indicates state of charge as being below maximum even on long, sunny days. I measured my batteries and they're waaay overcharged...up to 30% over. I'll go to an MTTP I reckon.

  • @fu1945.
    @fu1945. 2 года назад

    Thank you for your video.

  • @chrismanning2867
    @chrismanning2867 4 года назад

    Does it matter if you have a higher charge controller than you need

  • @jazbronoh5873
    @jazbronoh5873 4 года назад

    Do you still need BMS when u have mppt?

  • @dankollars4501
    @dankollars4501 5 лет назад

    i cant find anywhere what is the maximum voltage i can put into a mppt charge controller. i want to wire my panels in series but isnt there a limit on the voltage?

    • @myde2k5
      @myde2k5 5 лет назад

      Yes there is, it is different from one charge controller to another and is written on the box

  • @guywhoknows
    @guywhoknows 3 года назад

    That other kid did a live comparison with different price mppt and pwm controllers and found little to no actual difference in the performance. About 2-4 watts..
    There was one test condition that had around 40watts for the mppt CC. But this was a small window and thus having watched the live showing of a wide range of CC's I was going to get a mppt, but will not bother with the 7 times the price for 2 watts.
    My next consideration is micro inverters, but they're grid tied, there are no batteries. And they are split, so you can have half the array shaded and it will maximize power. Each unit supports 4 panels and you can string them together up to 6 units.
    I will be trying a buck converter, as really the mppt is just one of these with a voltage check, if it lowers the voltages, it raises the amps, so if you have a 18v 4 amp and need and are charging a 12v battery. You may get 13v at 6 amps... Or if you have a 33v 8 amp, you would get near 15amps.
    There 87-99% efficient depending on what you buy, but there around the same price as a cheap PWM controller.
    But you would need to add a cut off..

  • @lisahernandez2614
    @lisahernandez2614 7 лет назад +1

    I'm a home stead homie checking out your channel

    • @DuetJustusFam
      @DuetJustusFam  7 лет назад +1

      Welcome Lisa! Thanks for stopping by! 😎 It's great to have a fellow Homestead Homie along for the ride.

  • @JesusDisciple99
    @JesusDisciple99 5 лет назад

    Thank you so much ... very clear with you

  • @danicanyon4201
    @danicanyon4201 5 лет назад

    is there a solar panel that is 1000w?? What AC do you recommend for offgrid living??

  • @oldschooldiy3240
    @oldschooldiy3240 5 лет назад

    Well, didn't answer my question! Is it bad to have a higher amp controller? For example, could it harm the system if I put a 50 amp charge controller on a 100 watt solar system, with one 12volt battery?

    • @isaackarjala7916
      @isaackarjala7916 5 лет назад

      No, the amp rating is a maximum. Almost all power supplies are constant voltage power supplies, and will only supply amps according to ohm's law, I=V/R

  • @PAPAPcravings
    @PAPAPcravings 4 года назад

    Thank you For the formula.👍

  • @seminolerick6845
    @seminolerick6845 6 лет назад

    Do Charge Controllers get software updates, or are they only assembled hardware components ? Any hacks as to increasing efficiency percentages ?

  • @JustHobbiesoke
    @JustHobbiesoke 6 лет назад

    Nice i need this info...thanks for sharing...

  • @bradmcclure4945
    @bradmcclure4945 4 года назад

    what batery bank implemetation creates additive amp-hour results

  • @laxelmejor
    @laxelmejor 4 года назад

    Thanks for the video! Just 1 question. Why do you size de controller with FVP(W)/Sistem V (V)? Isnt the current of the solar string limited by the module itself?

  • @acebryantaruc9893
    @acebryantaruc9893 2 года назад

    Very informative.thanks

  • @BillBradstreet
    @BillBradstreet 5 лет назад

    I'm working on building my 2nd off-grid boat dock (this one is for a friend). I went with PWM for mine for a number of reasons. If I have a 2-panel array in an area (no buildings or trees nearby) where there is no shade (other than clouds). Is there any efficiency benefit to MPPT in this situation?
    Each panel should be able to receive the same amount of sunlight all the time. I'm trying to decide whether it is more important to choose higher wattage panels or an MPPT. For my friend's dock, I'm trying to decide whether to go with a 12v battery configuration and whether I should choose a 12v array or a 24v array along with whether to pick MPPT or PWM.
    On a cloudy day, I see my PWM system charges at around 10% of panel capacity -- 670w array charges at around 67w with full cloud cover. Would an MPPT system achieve higher efficiencies in this situation? With my current load, that means I have around 10 watts of excess power that goes towards charging the batteries. I have 210aH, 24v battery array, so that gives me plenty of storage to last through a few days/nights of full cloud cover.
    I'm hoping I can accomplish the same for my friend but by spending as little as possible.

  • @marigoldlimbo6931
    @marigoldlimbo6931 6 лет назад

    big question is, how do i ratio the panel and batteries, if my batteries 12v / 200ah / 20hr, sealed batteries is to expensive so how many panel and batteries do i need to set up, i know it depend how much load. if solar panel stats 12/ 100watts.. to much panel may goes wrong, to much batteries disadvantages may exist.. solar controller depend how much panels and inverter it depend what load do i have. am i right ?

    • @blairbushproject
      @blairbushproject 5 лет назад

      marigold limbo yes depends on your loads. I have a solar powered shower with a 12v battery charge controller and two 100w panels. 300 gal cistern and a instant hot water heater and a 12v water pump 40 psi. It keeps the batteries nice and fresh. We have a lot of people who take showers. On our heaviest days it carries day and night showers and only once or twice have had to isolate to charge. And that was due to weather. Remember that 100w panels will not give you 100w. Maybe 50-75w. Typically.

  • @LITTLEEXPERIMENTCHANNEL1
    @LITTLEEXPERIMENTCHANNEL1 5 лет назад

    whats the maximum input of a charge controller? thanks

  • @mirchichamu
    @mirchichamu 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you very much for the awesome videos full of information. But one suggestion please which many you tubers neglect.
    When you show some diagram, please show it for a long time. We can hear your voice but we miss necessary information in the diagram. A diagram conveys more information than what you talk the same. You can talk in the background but please show the diagrams for a long time. Thanks and sorry if I annoyed you or anybody.

  • @amodanand3176
    @amodanand3176 6 лет назад

    Hi i want to buy solar controller from loom solar in India, not sure which one to buy?

  • @richardpayne9640
    @richardpayne9640 2 года назад

    very good information Thank you,