I've been watching Byte Size Tech recently. Apparently the cost of the 5900x is lower (Total cost of ownership), because it'll last you longer and for more generations. 5800x is cheaper, but you'll need an upgrade sooner, making it more expensive, he says.
The more I learn about new engine tech the more I wonder if we have to upgrade soon anyway. Both the ps5 and the M1 Mac smoke out PCs with higher bandwidth / IO. That way they can load in asstes later, therefore drastically reducing the assets the GPU has to worry about at any time. It doesn't matter ofc because the M1 doesn't even compete with a 5600x and we'll have much beefier GPUs soon than the ps5. However I wonder if different IO tech and DDR5 will have insane performance gains 1-2 years down the road. Let's see how the Radeon unified memory works. Interesting times after 10 years of stalemate.
Vote for a 5900X. It's just the better value when compared to a 5800X. This might also be the last AM4 CPU you might be buying, so it makes sense to get something that will be future proof for years to come. The switch to the Vulkan API will happen at some point as well, and that move has already proven to increase core usage (and the effectiveness of that) in other games.
Great informative videos for a game that can be hard to know what’s best. I’ve shared your channel in our org for people to come and look. Keep up the good work. I’d be really interested in the best middle ground specs for a laptop to run SC.
Thanks for the share and glad you found them useful :) Laptops are a tricky thing to work out! You'd definitely want the fastest CPU you could possible get, but that wouldn't come cheap. Maybe in the future (if I ever make any money!) I'll have a look at laptop performance!
If you have a ryzen gen 3, ryzen 36-3900x do this for 5-10 extra fps. go to task manager, right click on SC->go to details->right click SC->Set affinity, turn off every second core having only 50% ON, or turn of half of the cores from number 8 forward. With my Ryzen 3800X I turn off thread 9-16, leaving only 8 on. This boosts performance greatly. Good luck
I have an older setup. I got Star Citizen this morning. I had enough gpu (MSI Radeon R9 380 4GB 256-Mbit) I thought my cpu and ram were good. Turns out I had the very weakest of the Intel CPUs that are in the minimum requirements list and my 32GB ram was ddr3 1600MHz. The ram at least was likely acceptable. I just ordered a Ryzen 7 3700x with an ASUS TUF GAMING B450-PLUS II AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard, Corsair Ryzen ready 32GB (8GBx 4 sticks at DDR4 3200MHz) and a great big damn cooler master double fan CPU cooler. I know these new to me components won’t be future proof, but I was able to keep it at $700. I’ll make sure to keep up with your videos for knowledge. Thank you.
Me too Just hope to see more hardware analysis with star citizen I build my rig specially for this game Now missing gpu after selling my last one without knowing nv and amd will do shenanigans with stocks Ps If elite dangerous can be played on my pc on 4k!!!! With 7970 3gb!!!! Gpu!!!..... Cig can do something with there game In the other hand i cant play pubg on 4k😒
A 2600 / 2600x, 3600x and 5600x you cannot go wrong with either of them. I originally had a 2600 paired with a RTX 2080 and at 1440p I have not really seen much difference with that setup and with my upgrade now with a 3900X paired with the same GPU other than in my development work that takes advantage of all the cores. There was a slight bump as the IPC of the 3000x series processors are better than the 2000 series but wasn't anything drastic. My wife uses a 2600x paired with a GTX 1660ti and SC runs smoothly for her at 1080p. If someone is building a rig just for gaming only, I could never suggest a 3900x / 3950x or 5900x / 5950x. Those processors are overkill for any gaming rig as the majority of the cores will simply sit idle.
Agree with all of that! I think the IPC improvement of the 5000 series will be interesting to test, but I don't expect the 5900x to be utilised by SC very much. Very jealous of you and your wife both having a PC for the game!
Mate! You made me so happy. I bought a 5600x three weeks ago. Was wondering until now if a 3700x would have been the better choice for SC. I guess that settles it. Ppl justifying their oc 10900k made me insecure. ;) Seems like the 3700x also has still some headroom, if it performs essentially the same with 6 cores.
Yep I think you're good! I'm pretty sure the nearly 20% IPC improvement from 3000 to 5000 series means that the 5600x will handily beat the 3700x. Enjoy your new CPU!
There are several reasons why SMT (hyperthreading) can lower a game's performance: - Scheduling for a single thread per core is easier then scheduling for two threads per core. - Security mitigations for SMT exploits (Spectre, Meltdown, ...) use no clock cycles when SMT is disabled. - Ryzen reserves a portion of the core resources for each thread in case a low usage thread suddenly gets scheduled a increased load. - Heat and Power output is higher with SMT ON, limiting boost clock performance in some cases. SMT is essentially asking a single core to do the work of multiple cores. There is some overhead associated with managing multiple threads, and that overhead can add latency. It balancing act to ensure the correct thread gets the priority, and overall it is a rather hard problem to solve. If it is solved incorrectly, it can actually impact performance negatively. Intel has similar problems with hyper-threading (their version of SMT)... but they have had a lot more time to refine their SMT implementation given that it was first introduced in 2002. But even today, there are certain situations in which disabling hyper-threading can actually improve performance on an Intel CPU.
My set up is Asus X570, Ryzen 5 3600, 16gb 3600Mhz (debating to up to 32gb), Nvidia 2060 super, and 1440p IPS monitor... So far I think mine runs descent.
On the charts add a title of what we are seeing.. like when you disable hyperthreading. Can't wait for the Ryzen 9 5950X ;) ... might be a cpu to do a video has you can't disable more cores to try to mimic the less cores versions.. Some memory tunning might help squeeze some more fps as well.
That's a good idea thanks! I'm currently testing the 5900x, aiming to have the video up next week! Might be a separate video for memory tweaking but I'll try and get something done!
Vulkan kicking in, it could be interest to observe the performance difference over 3.22.1, 3.23 with first Vulkan implementation, and optimizations further down the next patches
Great video, ... I have tested to remove the SMT on my amd cpu 3950x ( multi thread ), and I feel the difference. Your video show us well is not my imagination ! could be great if a guy can make a video with an Intel CPU.
Glad it was helpful! I would like to test Intel's latest at some point, but I don't have the money for a while new system right now! Hopefully in the future!
Thanks for the video. They are still optimizing many systems, and creating new ones. Multi core performance is in a fledgling state, and any recommendation will be out dated over a few releases. That said, if you can use 8 cores, you can use 12 cores. The price diff on the 5900x is negligible.
If you want to save a lot an 8 core 2700/2700x with a 2060 only runs a few frames slower than this far more expensive setup, so I will be holding back until star citizen moves on and prices on all the new cpus and gpus are not excessive as they are at the moment.
I'd love to test with the 1700 and 2700 to see how much difference the ryzen generations make, but you're right, not much more performance to be had with a 3700x and rtx 3080!
@@tenpoundfortytwo yep I look forward to when we get some software tuning when star citizen is ready and hardware will make a proper difference. Shame that is a good few years away on the other hand the hardware will have improved so much more :)
My i3 & gtx 1060 are officially too outdated and it can't handle Star Citizen anymore. I hope to get back in soon commanders o7 [New Sub trying to learn]
"still" works with my 1060 6gb and ryzen 5 2600.. Surely not too great on populated areas or while quantum into or out of a nebula for example.. FPS get very low now that there's fleet-week.. I hope it (greatly) improves with "interior/exterior culling"
I'm glad it is finally out! I was looking for that one! EDIT: FPS being close to the same, how were stability, drops in fps and freeze between 6/12 to 8/16?
@@tenpoundfortytwo Thank you. I will share your video across my organization as you totally deserve it ! Anybody asking for such informations, I'll lead them towards this video as well!
I think the best way to benchmark star citizen right now is the Hangar section. Hangars are not that much influenced by the servers and the environment is always the same. Right?
You are completely right, the hangar is definitely the most consistent place to try to benchmark! In my opinion though, it doesn't really give you any relevant information (the hangars don't really represent any part of the final game). The servers are part of the game (even though they make consistent benchmarking incredibly hard), and so I think you get more useful results when you test the Persistent Universe. But I do sometimes include hangar and area commander results if I have time!
They are working on vulkan My belief is...! When it come 6 cores and up at high res will be same fps I sure hope so i dont see resone to upgrade my 6core ryzen GEN1😶
Upgrade to 3000 series is quite noticable. 5000 series even better. Especially if you can utilize the chip well with 3800 Mt/s ram and 1900 fclk which you gotta set manually. Auto default only goes up to 1800.
Good stuff thanks. I've never been into overclocking CPUs since the early days of Celerons and Pentium 4s. The chance of frying a CPU compared to the minimum fps benefit never appealed to me. Same goes for gfx cards they are just too expensive to try crank out another 5% performance boost. Better to try afford the next gfx card up the scale. Thinking of going over to AMD and buying a higher end chip. I try to squeeze as much long term usage as I can from my builds.
@@davidl6354 I finally did the CPU OC on a used 6950x I picked up off Ebay. Installed Asus Ai tuner 3 and let her run up to 4.2GHz from stock 3Ghz. Also took the Corsair vengeance c16 3200 from default 2133 out to full 3200 on XMP. On the CPU the temps top out for a few of the 10 cores @ 58c & 59c after extended StarCitizen session. Water cooled using the Corsair H100i
@@VonSpud you must have missed out on all the performance even just the xmp profile there is a huge difference just in that ryzen really likes high clocked memory
@@davidl6354 yeah I only just ordered the 64GB (4x16GB 3200) Corsair Vengeance about amonth ago...it replaced the 32GB (8x4GB 2133) Ordered the 6950x a month & half ago to replace the 5820k. Soon as I had the 2nd cpu for the 2011 x99 board I figured I could try OC...anything went south I would have a replacement on hand.
@@scoso1313 thanks for advice... so to back peddle a little bit .. I recently bought a used 3Ghz i7-6950x from Ebay. O/C to 4.2Ghz with h100i water cooling. This one reminds me of my old 300A Celeron I o/c by changing the fsb speed bus and achieving a full speed 450 that outperformed the more expensive Pentium. I read that the i6950x was an excellent o/c chip..with 50% performance returns, I bit the bullet. CPU runs an Avg of 24C on idle with highest of 10 cores hitting 28C.
Shame this comparison wasn't made with a higher core count. I'd like to see results of 16 core and doing the same run of tests. I really want to know if more than 8 is still a boost and where the falloff from scheduler is. 12 cores? 10 cores? Does SC use all 16 well? Whats the performance gain from disabling just the first core does it boost the 1% lows. I'm so curious about this.
The 5900X is great bang for the buck, if you want to save a bit go 5600X A 5950X with a 6900XT give you 60+ FPS without overclocking. SC like high clock multi core...
Its a good question! Currently vram isn't really an issue in SC, so you won't see any benefit now (and a 3080ti won't be highly utilized by the engine as it is). But as they optimise and get closer to 'release' in the next few years, and graphics cards start shipping with more and more vram, CIG may end up using more than the 10gb on a 3080. But a lot of people who buy a 3080 now will likely upgrade in a few years anyway. So short answer, I wouldn't worry about vram too much right now, but that could change.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Nice, thanks for your reply! I'm hoping the 5900x will last me until release, but who knows. It could still be 5 years out, and I doubt it'll hold up that long. Thanks for the add the other day btw! Send me a party invite next time you see me on (I'll be more active after Christmas and new year) and we can start playing! Have a Merry Christmas!
Yeah it's tricky to know will run the game well in a few years time- I would guess that a 5900x will still be pretty good! Yeah that would be fun! Have a great Christmas!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Did you get a 5900X yet? (For the sake of 'telemetry' I didn't notice any improvement disabling SMT on the Ryzen 5 3600X) @MrButuz Looking forward to see your results as I might upgrade to the 5600X myself to pair with my current Radeon RX6800.
Yes I managed to get one last week- planning to do the testing when the kids are back in school next week! Interesting SMT results on the 3600x, I guess it makes sense that 6c/12t would be faster than 6/6 based on what I found.
Yeah smt off worked better for my 2700, 3900 and now the 5900. Btw a 5900 with smt disabled significantly outperforms a 5600 with smt on. Same number of threads. But I have noticed that core utilization goes up to 12 cores at least with even the least utilized cores being in the 30 to 40% range. 5900 with smt on also crashes the game consistently for me, same for 3900.
Thanks so much for those insights! I've just managed to get a 5900 so will run some of these tests again with it. Glad to know that I wasn't going crazy!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Ive also tested different ram configurations from single channel single ranked to dual channel quad ranked (4 dual ranked modules is a quad ranked system to the memory controller) Also up to 5000 Mhz with very loose timings (CL 22 24 24 39). Best bet with Ryzen is to lock infinity fabric clock 1 to 1 at 3600 to 3800 MT/s. But thats not really a Star Citizen thing, thats just Ryzen. Also my testing has concluded that under best case processor/ram configuration (5900x @ 4.6 Ghz and 3800MT/s ram @ CL16 18 18 36) the GPU doesnt really matter from the 1080ti upwards which is the slowest more recent card I own. Its in the single digit percentages. I didnt test my R9 200 series or HD 6000 series cards btw.
Yeah hopefully the game will utilize these new graphics cards at some point in the future! Great testing on the ram, makes sense that it's performs in line with everything else on ryzen!
@@tenpoundfortytwo dual ranked makes a difference btw. Just the clock speed doesnt do anything once you go over what your fclk can do. Substraight is shite on my 5900. Im pushing volts like nobodys business :D
I plan on getting an 8c/16t laptop with a 1660ti GPU soon. My question is can it cut down the cores and threads on a laptop as you did on a desktop? And if so can you say how?
I haven't had any experience turning off cores on a laptop, but my guess is that you should be able to do it. From a quick bit of research it looks like laptop bios' can be more restrictive than desktop (I went into my bios and changed the amount of cores and turned SMT off), so you may have to do it another way. And also you might find that it doesn't help gaming performance, as laptop CPUs are not as powerful as desktop CPUs. Having more cores for background tasks that windows performs might be useful on a laptop. But ultimately, I'm guessing a bit and don't really know!
So basically if I'm getting this correctly... AMD CPU's are just better in gaming performance while intel's are just better for working stuff like productivity and so on?
It's actually probably the other way round now- the latest intel CPUs (12th gen) handily beat the ryzen 5000 series in SC, but ryzen has more cores, so will likely be better in productivity. Check out my 12700kf video to see how that performs.
Unfortunately the game is pretty brutal! It really likes very fast single core performance and roughly 6cores12threads. The only real options you have on that motherboard would be to either upgrade to the k version of the 6700 and overclock as much as possible or the 7700k and do the same. But really that will probably be a waste of money and you'd be better off saving for a new motherboard and CPU. Hopefully CIG will optimise a bit this year!
This is a wee bit irrelevant as the game is not optimized yet. But from my personal experience and opinion, at least 6 cores, like any other game out there. Though in the future a 8 core minimum sounds good to recommend.
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Votes for 5900x here please.
I've been watching Byte Size Tech recently. Apparently the cost of the 5900x is lower (Total cost of ownership), because it'll last you longer and for more generations. 5800x is cheaper, but you'll need an upgrade sooner, making it more expensive, he says.
Yep that makes sense. Im assuming the 5900x will hold its value better too.
The more I learn about new engine tech the more I wonder if we have to upgrade soon anyway.
Both the ps5 and the M1 Mac smoke out PCs with higher bandwidth / IO.
That way they can load in asstes later, therefore drastically reducing the assets the GPU has to worry about at any time.
It doesn't matter ofc because the M1 doesn't even compete with a 5600x and we'll have much beefier GPUs soon than the ps5.
However I wonder if different IO tech and DDR5 will have insane performance gains 1-2 years down the road. Let's see how the Radeon unified memory works.
Interesting times after 10 years of stalemate.
Its definitely an interesting time, the next few years should be fun! I agree the I/O stuff could be massive.
Check the Demons Souls digital foundry interview for some techbabble :)
Vote for a 5900X. It's just the better value when compared to a 5800X. This might also be the last AM4 CPU you might be buying, so it makes sense to get something that will be future proof for years to come. The switch to the Vulkan API will happen at some point as well, and that move has already proven to increase core usage (and the effectiveness of that) in other games.
I think you're right, and the votes are definitely heading that way. Let's hope vulkan comes in the next year!
I just bought one! Literally FOR star citizen and futureproofing! haha
Great informative videos for a game that can be hard to know what’s best. I’ve shared your channel in our org for people to come and look. Keep up the good work. I’d be really interested in the best middle ground specs for a laptop to run SC.
Thanks for the share and glad you found them useful :) Laptops are a tricky thing to work out! You'd definitely want the fastest CPU you could possible get, but that wouldn't come cheap. Maybe in the future (if I ever make any money!) I'll have a look at laptop performance!
your channel is really great with your production value and professionalism, keep up the great videos and you will see growth!
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@@tenpoundfortytwo anytime, good luck :)
If you have a ryzen gen 3, ryzen 36-3900x do this for 5-10 extra fps.
go to task manager, right click on SC->go to details->right click SC->Set affinity, turn off every second core having only 50% ON, or turn of half of the cores from number 8 forward.
With my Ryzen 3800X I turn off thread 9-16, leaving only 8 on. This boosts performance greatly. Good luck
Thanks I'll have to check that out!
I have an older setup. I got Star Citizen this morning. I had enough gpu (MSI Radeon R9 380 4GB 256-Mbit) I thought my cpu and ram were good. Turns out I had the very weakest of the Intel CPUs that are in the minimum requirements list and my 32GB ram was ddr3 1600MHz. The ram at least was likely acceptable. I just ordered a Ryzen 7 3700x with an ASUS TUF GAMING B450-PLUS II AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard, Corsair Ryzen ready 32GB (8GBx 4 sticks at DDR4 3200MHz) and a great big damn cooler master double fan CPU cooler. I know these new to me components won’t be future proof, but I was able to keep it at $700. I’ll make sure to keep up with your videos for knowledge. Thank you.
That will be a very nice upgrade and well done for getting it for a decent price! Let me know how it performs when its all installed!
This is a good quality video. I just subbed.
Thanks very much!
Me too
Just hope to see more hardware analysis with star citizen
I build my rig specially for this game
Now missing gpu after selling my last one without knowing nv and amd will do shenanigans with stocks
Ps
If elite dangerous can be played on my pc on 4k!!!! With 7970 3gb!!!! Gpu!!!.....
Cig can do something with there game
In the other hand i cant play pubg on 4k😒
A 2600 / 2600x, 3600x and 5600x you cannot go wrong with either of them. I originally had a 2600 paired with a RTX 2080 and at 1440p I have not really seen much difference with that setup and with my upgrade now with a 3900X paired with the same GPU other than in my development work that takes advantage of all the cores. There was a slight bump as the IPC of the 3000x series processors are better than the 2000 series but wasn't anything drastic. My wife uses a 2600x paired with a GTX 1660ti and SC runs smoothly for her at 1080p. If someone is building a rig just for gaming only, I could never suggest a 3900x / 3950x or 5900x / 5950x. Those processors are overkill for any gaming rig as the majority of the cores will simply sit idle.
Agree with all of that! I think the IPC improvement of the 5000 series will be interesting to test, but I don't expect the 5900x to be utilised by SC very much. Very jealous of you and your wife both having a PC for the game!
Mate! You made me so happy.
I bought a 5600x three weeks ago.
Was wondering until now if a 3700x would have been the better choice for SC.
I guess that settles it.
Ppl justifying their oc 10900k made me insecure. ;)
Seems like the 3700x also has still some headroom, if it performs essentially the same with 6 cores.
Yep I think you're good! I'm pretty sure the nearly 20% IPC improvement from 3000 to 5000 series means that the 5600x will handily beat the 3700x. Enjoy your new CPU!
There are several reasons why SMT (hyperthreading) can lower a game's performance:
- Scheduling for a single thread per core is easier then scheduling for two threads per core.
- Security mitigations for SMT exploits (Spectre, Meltdown, ...) use no clock cycles when SMT is disabled.
- Ryzen reserves a portion of the core resources for each thread in case a low usage thread suddenly gets scheduled a increased load.
- Heat and Power output is higher with SMT ON, limiting boost clock performance in some cases.
SMT is essentially asking a single core to do the work of multiple cores. There is some overhead associated with managing multiple threads, and that overhead can add latency. It balancing act to ensure the correct thread gets the priority, and overall it is a rather hard problem to solve. If it is solved incorrectly, it can actually impact performance negatively.
Intel has similar problems with hyper-threading (their version of SMT)... but they have had a lot more time to refine their SMT implementation given that it was first introduced in 2002. But even today, there are certain situations in which disabling hyper-threading can actually improve performance on an Intel CPU.
Thanks for the very informative post! Very helpful!
Thanks for info. Trying to decide for rig specs for SC. Very informative
No problem! Glad it was helpful!
My set up is Asus X570, Ryzen 5 3600, 16gb 3600Mhz (debating to up to 32gb), Nvidia 2060 super, and 1440p IPS monitor... So far I think mine runs descent.
Yep that's a good setup! I'd recommend the 32gb of ram!
On the charts add a title of what we are seeing.. like when you disable hyperthreading.
Can't wait for the Ryzen 9 5950X ;) ... might be a cpu to do a video has you can't disable more cores to try to mimic the less cores versions.. Some memory tunning might help squeeze some more fps as well.
That's a good idea thanks! I'm currently testing the 5900x, aiming to have the video up next week! Might be a separate video for memory tweaking but I'll try and get something done!
Hey, you should do an updated video with latest CPUs and fixes to E-Cores now
Vulkan kicking in, it could be interest to observe the performance difference over 3.22.1, 3.23 with first Vulkan implementation, and optimizations further down the next patches
Extremely helpful. Thank you.
No problem!
Great video, ... I have tested to remove the SMT on my amd cpu 3950x ( multi thread ), and I feel the difference. Your video show us well is not my imagination !
could be great if a guy can make a video with an Intel CPU.
Glad it was helpful! I would like to test Intel's latest at some point, but I don't have the money for a while new system right now! Hopefully in the future!
I look some Starcitizen video, they have the same issue. Since the 3.13 is live .... I ll test it :)
Thanks for the video. They are still optimizing many systems, and creating new ones. Multi core performance is in a fledgling state, and any recommendation will be out dated over a few releases. That said, if you can use 8 cores, you can use 12 cores. The price diff on the 5900x is negligible.
Completely agree with all of that!
Votes for 5800x here please.
If you want to save a lot an 8 core 2700/2700x with a 2060 only runs a few frames slower than this far more expensive setup, so I will be holding back until star citizen moves on and prices on all the new cpus and gpus are not excessive as they are at the moment.
I'd love to test with the 1700 and 2700 to see how much difference the ryzen generations make, but you're right, not much more performance to be had with a 3700x and rtx 3080!
@@tenpoundfortytwo yep I look forward to when we get some software tuning when star citizen is ready and hardware will make a proper difference. Shame that is a good few years away on the other hand the hardware will have improved so much more :)
Yeah that's a good way to look at it, hardware should be much more powerful when SC is getting closer to 'release'.
thank you for your work mate :-)
No problem!
My i3 & gtx 1060 are officially too outdated and it can't handle Star Citizen anymore. I hope to get back in soon commanders o7
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"still" works with my 1060 6gb and ryzen 5 2600.. Surely not too great on populated areas or while quantum into or out of a nebula for example.. FPS get very low now that there's fleet-week.. I hope it (greatly) improves with "interior/exterior culling"
Even CPU prices are going up now.
Yep it's crazy! And wow, thanks for becoming a member! Very kind of you and really means a lot!! Thank you!!
I'm glad it is finally out! I was looking for that one! EDIT: FPS being close to the same, how were stability, drops in fps and freeze between 6/12 to 8/16?
Yes the testing took a while!
Just saw the edit-6/12 and 8/16 basically felt the same. I couldn't feel a difference at this point.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Thank you. I will share your video across my organization as you totally deserve it ! Anybody asking for such informations, I'll lead them towards this video as well!
Thanks, appreciate it!
I think the best way to benchmark star citizen right now is the Hangar section. Hangars are not that much influenced by the servers and the environment is always the same. Right?
You are completely right, the hangar is definitely the most consistent place to try to benchmark! In my opinion though, it doesn't really give you any relevant information (the hangars don't really represent any part of the final game). The servers are part of the game (even though they make consistent benchmarking incredibly hard), and so I think you get more useful results when you test the Persistent Universe. But I do sometimes include hangar and area commander results if I have time!
They are working on vulkan
My belief is...! When it come 6 cores and up at high res will be same fps
I sure hope so i dont see resone to upgrade my 6core ryzen GEN1😶
Not true. Netcode is different from renderer.
Upgrade to 3000 series is quite noticable. 5000 series even better. Especially if you can utilize the chip well with 3800 Mt/s ram and 1900 fclk which you gotta set manually. Auto default only goes up to 1800.
Good stuff thanks.
I've never been into overclocking CPUs since the early days of Celerons and Pentium 4s.
The chance of frying a CPU compared to the minimum fps benefit never appealed to me.
Same goes for gfx cards they are just too expensive to try crank out another 5% performance boost. Better to try afford the next gfx card up the scale.
Thinking of going over to AMD and buying a higher end chip. I try to squeeze as much long term usage as I can from my builds.
2 years with my i5 8600k with a 4.9ghz oc and still not fried I get like 20% off stock
@@davidl6354 I finally did the CPU OC on a used 6950x I picked up off Ebay.
Installed Asus Ai tuner 3 and let her run up to 4.2GHz from stock 3Ghz.
Also took the Corsair vengeance c16 3200 from default 2133 out to full 3200 on XMP.
On the CPU the temps top out for a few of the 10 cores @ 58c & 59c after extended StarCitizen session.
Water cooled using the Corsair H100i
@@VonSpud you must have missed out on all the performance even just the xmp profile there is a huge difference just in that ryzen really likes high clocked memory
@@davidl6354 yeah I only just ordered the 64GB (4x16GB 3200) Corsair Vengeance about amonth ago...it replaced the 32GB (8x4GB 2133)
Ordered the 6950x a month & half ago to replace the 5820k.
Soon as I had the 2nd cpu for the 2011 x99 board I figured I could try OC...anything went south I would have a replacement on hand.
@@scoso1313 thanks for advice... so to back peddle a little bit .. I recently bought a used 3Ghz i7-6950x from Ebay.
O/C to 4.2Ghz with h100i water cooling.
This one reminds me of my old 300A Celeron I o/c by changing the fsb speed bus and achieving a full speed 450 that outperformed the more expensive Pentium.
I read that the i6950x was an excellent o/c chip..with 50% performance returns, I bit the bullet.
CPU runs an Avg of 24C on idle with highest of 10 cores hitting 28C.
Shame this comparison wasn't made with a higher core count. I'd like to see results of 16 core and doing the same run of tests. I really want to know if more than 8 is still a boost and where the falloff from scheduler is. 12 cores? 10 cores? Does SC use all 16 well? Whats the performance gain from disabling just the first core does it boost the 1% lows. I'm so curious about this.
The 5900X is great bang for the buck, if you want to save a bit go 5600X
A 5950X with a 6900XT give you 60+ FPS without overclocking. SC like high clock multi core...
Ryzen 5000 series is definitely a big step up!
Do you think Star Citizen would benefit more vram? Rumors of 3080TI in February. Wondering if it's worth waiting for that.
Its a good question! Currently vram isn't really an issue in SC, so you won't see any benefit now (and a 3080ti won't be highly utilized by the engine as it is). But as they optimise and get closer to 'release' in the next few years, and graphics cards start shipping with more and more vram, CIG may end up using more than the 10gb on a 3080. But a lot of people who buy a 3080 now will likely upgrade in a few years anyway. So short answer, I wouldn't worry about vram too much right now, but that could change.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Nice, thanks for your reply! I'm hoping the 5900x will last me until release, but who knows. It could still be 5 years out, and I doubt it'll hold up that long.
Thanks for the add the other day btw! Send me a party invite next time you see me on (I'll be more active after Christmas and new year) and we can start playing! Have a Merry Christmas!
Yeah it's tricky to know will run the game well in a few years time- I would guess that a 5900x will still be pretty good! Yeah that would be fun! Have a great Christmas!
Well I am "upgrading" from 3700x to 5600x so I'll let you know if the lower core count is offset by the faster core speeds!
Yes please do, that will be very interesting to see! My guess is that the 5600x will beat the 3700x, let me know!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Did you get a 5900X yet? (For the sake of 'telemetry' I didn't notice any improvement disabling SMT on the Ryzen 5 3600X)
@MrButuz Looking forward to see your results as I might upgrade to the 5600X myself to pair with my current Radeon RX6800.
Yes I managed to get one last week- planning to do the testing when the kids are back in school next week! Interesting SMT results on the 3600x, I guess it makes sense that 6c/12t would be faster than 6/6 based on what I found.
Wonder what might be a benefit from 10 or even more cores.
When I can get hold of a 5900x I'll be able to answer that question! Could be a while though!
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Yeah smt off worked better for my 2700, 3900 and now the 5900. Btw a 5900 with smt disabled significantly outperforms a 5600 with smt on. Same number of threads. But I have noticed that core utilization goes up to 12 cores at least with even the least utilized cores being in the 30 to 40% range. 5900 with smt on also crashes the game consistently for me, same for 3900.
Thanks so much for those insights! I've just managed to get a 5900 so will run some of these tests again with it. Glad to know that I wasn't going crazy!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Ive also tested different ram configurations from single channel single ranked to dual channel quad ranked (4 dual ranked modules is a quad ranked system to the memory controller) Also up to 5000 Mhz with very loose timings (CL 22 24 24 39). Best bet with Ryzen is to lock infinity fabric clock 1 to 1 at 3600 to 3800 MT/s. But thats not really a Star Citizen thing, thats just Ryzen. Also my testing has concluded that under best case processor/ram configuration (5900x @ 4.6 Ghz and 3800MT/s ram @ CL16 18 18 36) the GPU doesnt really matter from the 1080ti upwards which is the slowest more recent card I own. Its in the single digit percentages. I didnt test my R9 200 series or HD 6000 series cards btw.
@@tenpoundfortytwo I would send you the data sheets but I didnt make any :D
Yeah hopefully the game will utilize these new graphics cards at some point in the future! Great testing on the ram, makes sense that it's performs in line with everything else on ryzen!
@@tenpoundfortytwo dual ranked makes a difference btw. Just the clock speed doesnt do anything once you go over what your fclk can do. Substraight is shite on my 5900. Im pushing volts like nobodys business :D
did you use a software to set the affinity? or just the task manager
No, I didn't change that.
@@tenpoundfortytwo but doesn't affinity mean changing how many cores the application uses? or am I misunderstanding something
I changed the amount of cores active in the BIOS. I think you're right that you can do it in windows, but I did it the other way!
I plan on getting an 8c/16t laptop with a 1660ti GPU soon.
My question is can it cut down the cores and threads on a laptop as you did on a desktop?
And if so can you say how?
I haven't had any experience turning off cores on a laptop, but my guess is that you should be able to do it. From a quick bit of research it looks like laptop bios' can be more restrictive than desktop (I went into my bios and changed the amount of cores and turned SMT off), so you may have to do it another way. And also you might find that it doesn't help gaming performance, as laptop CPUs are not as powerful as desktop CPUs. Having more cores for background tasks that windows performs might be useful on a laptop. But ultimately, I'm guessing a bit and don't really know!
What we get out of this. Nothing is really worth it apart from upgrading to 4 cores untill they have optimised
Yeah the only thing you can do at the moment is get a newer CPU which is faster really.
Last Time i played sc i had a gpu bottelneck me finally buying 3080 and now i am cpu bottelnecked (i5-8600k) LUL XD
Would a 1660oc gpu work with this game? I have a b550 mobo and a 3700x cpu
Should be a decent match for SC, what resolution are you playing at?
I recommend about 64 with an Invidia 5090Ti and should be able to get some decent frames.
I'm not even sure that will get decent frames!
The new renderer should optimize performance
That's the hope! It should make the game much more playable on lower end machines!
@@tenpoundfortytwo In the roadmap it looks like it will be ready for Citcon. I am crossing my fingers
@@fmartingorb I'm crossing my fingers with you! Let's hope they get it in as soon as possible!
tldr they are playable
So basically if I'm getting this correctly... AMD CPU's are just better in gaming performance while intel's are just better for working stuff like productivity and so on?
It's actually probably the other way round now- the latest intel CPUs (12th gen) handily beat the ryzen 5000 series in SC, but ryzen has more cores, so will likely be better in productivity. Check out my 12700kf video to see how that performs.
@@tenpoundfortytwo will do thx for the really fast reply mate! 😁
No problem!
i have an i7 6700 and am getting killed. 24fps average over an hour of play
Unfortunately the game is pretty brutal! It really likes very fast single core performance and roughly 6cores12threads. The only real options you have on that motherboard would be to either upgrade to the k version of the 6700 and overclock as much as possible or the 7700k and do the same. But really that will probably be a waste of money and you'd be better off saving for a new motherboard and CPU. Hopefully CIG will optimise a bit this year!
This is a wee bit irrelevant as the game is not optimized yet.
But from my personal experience and opinion, at least 6 cores, like any other game out there. Though in the future a 8 core minimum sounds good to recommend.
I don't disagree with you! But I'm hoping it will be useful for some people who are looking to build machines now.
is the R5 5600 good fot the game ?
Yeah the ryzen 5000 series is good for SC, check out my ryzen comparison video !
How do you turn SMT off?
Should be settings in the bios, you can also do it in ryzen master I believe.
Now buy the 12600kf and retest
I've ordered the 12700kf!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Sweet! I cant wait to see what the change in game will be.
Me too!
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