Back 4 Blood [ALPHA] vs Left 4 Dead | Direct Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
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Direct comparison of Turtle Rock Studio's upcoming cooperative zombie shooter "Back 4 Blood" and how it stacks up to their original breakaway hit "Left 4 Dead." Also includes mention of content exclusive to Left 4 Dead 2.
Full breakdown of everything from the graphics, level designs, enemy types, weapons, and features - and what I'd like to see when the final game releases this October.
Footage of Back 4 Blood was recorded during the initial Alpha Phase and therefore all features are subject to change by release. 
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Thank you all for tuning in on this rare Monday video release. I've been wanting to cover this title for a while, as I've always been a big fan of the Left 4 Dead series, and I wish the best to the development team working on Back 4 Blood. I've decided to focus more on gameplay this time, only because the footage I captured was from an early alpha build of the game, but I'll most definitely be covering Back 4 Blood along with the Left 4 Dead series in more detail this fall season. Hope you enjoy the video - and stay tuned for my upcoming documentary at the end of this month! (It's a big one)
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"a ton of health" sounds like LAZY design to me
show me one - ONE player who loves BULLET SPONGES
did you ever see anyone cheer for those!? .....................
good old boss fights got variety and stages... not "we took 2hrs to kill it"
bruh ive got lost so many times whilst playing left4dead2
Walking Dead Survivors like a low budget online strategy game like every other one so, no thanks
Ye
Damn, you hit the nail on the head with L4D's map design. Never occurred to me how big and wide and maze-like-ish they are but that's exactly why they are so fun and unique. It gives room to explore, to fall back, to dodge, to change routes, to get lost, to get overrun from multiple angles.
Precisely. I'd like to expand on this in greater detail later this year as I feel it's the biggest mistake developers that attempt these 4 player coop games seem to keep making. Turtle rock in particular knows how to do it right. Hopefully they deliver with the other maps
@@Nick930 Yeah. Narrow paths just tend to be actually simply disguised corridors, differently colored but actually the same tracks, whether in buildings or outside, making you only worry about what's up front and not what's around you and your only choice being to push forward, not to think which route to take - left, right, front, up, around or over obstacles etc.
I really hope that the developers listen to your feedback. Every point you brought up is really important and they should definitely make changes
As a kid I would free roam the subway station in E1M2 and just try and survive for fun, the map design really lent itself to that
Really good point. I am very worried that smaller levels will take away player agency.
The ogre looks out of place, its too big and looks more like a giant monster, rather than a special infected zombie.
It looks like a monster from a heroic fantasy game that was put by accident in this game.
I like him but I still gotta agree with you here.
It definitely doesnt fit into L4Ds universe
keep in mind this is alpha and they can make a few changes before open beta and then full game
@@brook4201 this game isn't in l4d universe...
Left4dead still looks amazing 13 years later.
@MR.C&A Video911Game Is still great
Still great tho
Yeah even tank throwing cars in Left 4 dead is so impressive and well made for such an old game, I hope Back 4 Blood will also add some physics interactions and dont let everything be scripted
Just imagine left 4 dead 3 in source 2 engine
Turtlerock really made a timeless masterpiece with L4D
Game just needs to be simple , that’s what helps it stay realistic and fun
Totally agree. Back 4 blood is sounding horribly convoluted
@@terryhaircastle5702 ya, the thing that was so great about left 4 dead was its simplistic and replayable
@@terryhaircastle5702 it’s really bad lol really bad
@@terryhaircastle5702 it’s not too bad. The card system is easy as hell it’s simple like +10 ammo storage, an extra life before you insta die when you down, more stamina to melee spam more. Just helps you make a build. And the way you get cards is after every safe room you get a card to pick (from your owned cards) so you pick one, beat the level, pick another. By the end of the campaign you’re stacked and your build is done. Lots of room for different builds/replayability. I run the ginger chick with all stamina cards and go ham with the axe.
@@LefaaOW cool, thanks man. Appreciate you taking the time. Good gaming!! 🎮
I'm happy we're getting an open Beta this Summer, and that they pushed it back to this Fall.
Yeah I'm excited to play this again. We had fun with it back in december. This footage has been backlogged on my machine for months lol
Is it only for Content creators and specific consoles or pc
@Shiori A delay isn't always like that. It depends if they use the time wisely and well their leadership. Cyberpunk for example, was because of leadership and how they planned for the most part.
Who knows how many times this will be pushed back. Turtle Rock have been hiring a lot of animators, lately, to work on the game.
@@thehind3119 It's an open Beta, so it'll be for everyone. 😌
@@NostalgiaNet8 cyberpunk it's a terrible example lol
They better add the flashlight on the guns or else it ain’t left 4 dead
Hm that's a good point. Totally forgot theres no flashlights in b4b. Will be sure to mention this next time I cover these games.
l4d beta didn’t have flashlights
@@aliceliddell8883 Yeah...Thats the beta, the games finished now. Your point is?
The game isnt l4d to begin with
@@cortex8239 yea and this game is still in development and will get an open beta soon it might get a flashlight i don’t see the point in having one tho
I know you said that Back4Blood looks like "a great improvement", but honestly, L4D1 and 2 have some really great art design, which is careful with its shaders and post-processing, that makes it look more "real" than what I'm seeing here. I think the blood effects and shaders look more "hyper-real" and it just looks more generic because of it.
I get what you're saying, but personally the unsaturated colors and flat color tones just made everything look bland. It's how most older games (xbox, xbox 360, ps2, ps3) looked. Compare it too the old Call of Duty's, Resident Evil 4, etc. Even the more colorful games were still flat such as GTA IV. I wouldn't say it was a design choice as much as it was following suit with other games' color palettes.
yeah it looks like an action movie compared to a story accurate environment
yeah. what i dont like about it is the sharpness of the light reflection. It's everywhere and anything that has it looks so unrealistic or slimy.
I feel like one of the biggest let downs for me in back 4 blood is that they've gone for a more high energy badass vibe than a creepy vibe like l4d
I think l4d fits both honestly
Yea they went more mainstream.
I agree. That's also why I much prefer L4D1's atmosphere over L4D2's
@@BUGHUNTER6 You can l4d1 in 2
@@diegotm4365 I know, but those campaigns are still taken from the original first L4D. The L4D2 campaigns are generally pretty light and less scary.
The copper pickup mechanic worries me, I feel like its made like that to support micro transactions
Exactly what I'm worried about. I even had a note in my script about that. But unless we hear otherwise, the devs have confirmed there wont be any pay2win features... hoping that remains the case
The card and all that purchase for ammo thing is so bullshit. What happens to just simply having fun shooting zombies and stuff.
@@Nick930 This are the same guys that did Evolve, i hope they learned that micro transactions was one of the things that killed that game
Even if it is not pay to win in this case, the mechanic alone letting you buy stuff takes you out of the game.
The problem I see is they seem to have taken a crap ton of notes from COD from the way the weapons handle to the way you can buy ammo and upgrades makes it feel way less like Left4Dead and way more like COD zombies and I very much wouldn't be surprised if there was also a micro transaction system much inspired by Activision too.
Wow I'm actually impressed. It only took 16 minutes to kill my hype for B4B lol. I'll still keep an eye on the game, but that card system really raised an eyebrow.
Exactly my thought lol, I was hyped and now between the card system and everything else I'm like... :|
@@Sonofadcuk have the faith in the fucking game damn
No.
Micro transactions? Nope im out.
@@40kkidlock18 have faith on the same guys that brought you Evolved? sure buddy
the amount of maps still being released is what makes left 4 dead still alive until today
Yup the small but dedicated modding community for L4D keeps those games fresh.
@@theninjamaster67 25000 players daily is a pretty nice number if you ask me
@@stefanelul2744 That's really not that much though it sounds like a lot but compare that to TF2 for example which a lot of people call a "dead game" and that has around 100,000 daily or CSGO (unfair comparison I know) that had 900,000 an hour ago as of writing this so like I said small but dedicated.
@@theninjamaster67 true, i meant that the game really feels alive, there are lots ( atleast when i enter the game) of campaign and versus servers, i kinda prefer a small community yet decent ppl then 1 million ppl which 1/4 are hackers and ppl who just installed csgo because it was free
@@stefanelul2744 Yah I agree smaller communities tend to be kinda cool not too small though cause really small communities tend to be toxic cause they like gate keeping.
I personally like the classic crosshair only shooting style from Left 4 Dead. Ironsight shooting tends to make games a lot slower paced. Also I'm glad you can take off hitmarkers in Back 4 Blood. I get it's good for feedback knowing you hit an enemy, but I can pretty much know they're dead by looking at their blood splattered corpse.
Yeah same.
Instead of a hitmarker, the splattered blood or destroyed body part are enough indicator to see if the shot is a miss or not.
@@dereenaldoambun9158 More games should have the ability to toggle off hitmarkers. Instead of being helpful, it sometimes can be a cause of obtrusive visual clutter on screen.
@@ninjadude183 makes it feel less realistic, HUD tends to do that
The zombies dont gib like in left4dead so they had to add the hit market bs
I had access to the B4B Closed Alpha. There's a card you can use that disables iron sights and increases hip fire accuracy. As a Left4Dead player, I obviously picked that card as my go-to option.
There will never be another one like Left 4 dead. The source engine makes it really creepy
Yeah source engine makes the game a little liminal like if you played Gmod in singleplayer, it feels like someone watching you.
@@aidenzapper8437 ikr
@@aidenzapper8437 Someone watching you Khm.... Special Infected and Sneaky Tank When you hear the music and the screen start shaking but you can't see the God Damn Tank and your Pulse is about 138/min and you start sweating if you in a sauna and then the Tank is right behind you and lick your ear.
@@davidt9002 what's this?
@@aidenzapper8437 I write down what happening if you feels like you have been watched in Left 4 Dead
Feels like B4B doesn''t have 10% of L4D's charm
I hope they’re able to figure out the pacing issues before launch. Something I love about Left4Dead is due to the simplistic gameplay, the combat and movement felt so seamless.
It felt so strange and clunky to be “starting and stopping” so often in Back4Blood due to ADS and sprint
Great video :) this felt like a nice trip down memory lane
I hope so too, though I wonder how they can make the pacing changes before their release. This would completely redesign the levels in some aspects.
I feel like these betas games get nowadays are a mix between simple bug fixing and balancing, and simple demos.
Yeah giving players ak47s right at the start of a campaign certainly takes away from the pacing.
I'm afraid the "cards" might make this game much more different from l4d than people would think
@@Nick930 I wonder if the card system was used so that the game was different enough to not get the devs sued.
I commented the exact same thing on the gameplay reveal
Needless to say people did not like that comment
looks like cod zombies honestly
I want some Left 4 Dead 2 gore in Back 4 Blood
Agreed. I want Australia to ban this game
@@gnarcky6ix6 watttt?
@@user-jc2in3cp3g like how they banned L4D2
@@user-jc2in3cp3g Australia has a government full of babies so they ban EVERYTHING
@@Jim-vg3vb pretty sure they dont like human dismemberment in video games :p which was featured heavily in left for dead. Would be awesome to see it brought back
I hope they have enough time to polish B4B, it looks really bland and uninspired compared to L4D
Yeah I think the last 3 months of full development will be crucial in turning it around
That isn't changing. They only have time to fix core issues and bugs.
@@Randarrradara This is an alpha build of the game it’s gonna change but not necessarily for the better
@@ravioli-bamboli it's missing gore. L4d gore was very good, here it's lacking and it looks like it's not going to get better
@@Randarrradara Again this is an alpha build of the game, alpha builds lack most content as it’s one of the first completed stages of a game.
I swear Half Life 2, Portal/2 and Left 4 Dead/2 look like games that could be released today, amazing graphics for the times
so true man, specially portal 2 that game looks beautiful even today
Listen even Half-Life 1 still looks good (to me)
Yeah, Source is a revolutionary game engine.
No
Valve games already have amazing graphics just need source 2
This just makes me realize what a masterpiece left4dead 2 is. The graphics, character design, and gameplay loop was just so well done. Does it show its age? A little...but it was so far ahead back then that to me, it still looks really really good. And the AI Director is just amazing in L4D2. But im excited about this game. Nice job
l4d2 with a good graphic mod can be more beautyfull than b4b
@@davidjeanmichel8358 I saw a picture of the big mansion in Plantation that looks really cool and grand. It was made in a latest source engine before and it was scrapped or cancelled. Never touched again.
Left 4 Dead had set the bar for zombie apocalypse mayhem survival on a terrifying scale so that means that Back 4 Blood has a massive shoe to fill in.
damn watching this vid makes me realize how much i miss playing L4D
Why not play it again?
@@stefanelul2744 He never said he wouldn’t?
@@wrenboy2726 no
@@julianmuniagurria6632 play on a pc. The game is 13 years old. I bet you could play l4d2 on an run of the mill office computer.
Go ahead go open L4D right now. It's fun.
Back 4 Blood seems more like a Killing Floor-ish game
Nah I dont get that impression. Reminds me of Earthfall though
Looks like more a cod than a l4d :/
@@wrenchproductions at least this one is more fun than CoD
@@valy0o728 totally agree
Its like someone took dying light concept with cod guns which is dull
I really hope they atleast have a “classic” mode without the vendor
Nope. Game is already done. It will play exactly like in this gameplay.
@@radek4634 bit of an optimist I see
@@radek4634, dude they still have a few months to do things, stop acting like you know everything when obviously you don't
@@radek4634 yep. Alpha happened and beta not long after, this is the game we're getting. Some of these problems are cooked into the core of the game
@@MerchantrRe4 How are you this deluded in 2021? The game has 2 months till release. This is it. You saw it in this Open Beta.
They better add "Pills here" line. Or else it ain't Left 4 Dead
Bruh, this game ain't left 4 dead
10:47 that spinning arm is glorious.
Lmfao amazing!
The Ogre is just a reskin of the Goliath from Evolve if you wanna feel more disappointed.
No way please tell me your lieing
@@juggei_jugsxd2841 look at the movement and silhouette of the creature. They just made a new skin for it to look more like fleshy monster instead of a Scaly one.
@@Dimitri9511 im sad
or the Ogre from Destiny 2
Well what you expect from a company that made the game "EVOLVE"?
One thing you didn’t cover is voice dialog, do the characters still interact with each other like in left for dead?
B4B characters don't feel realistic, they have fewer interactions and somehow feel less diverse. They can't all be the same stereotypical "optimistic survivalist", they need to have more minor imperfections that make the character feel more relatable
The original L4D cast really added perfection to that game, and L4D2 cast was a good follow up. So far I have heard zero about voice acting on B4B, which makes me think that's Valve's secret spice, seeing as all their top games feature top voice acting and good characterization.
From what I've seen not nearly as much. Nothing will replace the ellis/keith stories
I played the beta, they still do, but sometimes its overdid interaction which kinda annoying like a slight friendly fire will make the character cry louder/longer
@@mrrodriguezHLP this, valve is the boss when it comes to ingame sounds,music and characters. check tf2 half life. dota 2 most of these charactars in these games are so fucking iconic
I almost forgot how great left4dead soundtrack was.. I hope they will make sure back4blood also gonna have some good music that just adds up to overall game atmosphere which is also very important imo
This seems to be a common trend with new "remake" kinda games. They all have greater visuals and effects with smoother gameplay, but just go backwards in the things that actually matter like level design and general difficulty balancing. Surely 12 years after left 4 dead 2 they'd be able to make the ogre be able to smash through walls and foilage to continue chasing and causing carnage but no. Wish game development teams would step up their game at this point.
Agree
Yes
games like Arma, red dead 2, gta5 even, and even games like elite dangerous PROVE yes, you can achieve such greatness and epic moments into games such as destructible environments (bfbc2 bf3 bf4 levelution) and dynamic changes made on the fly (lefft 4 dead series) to create an ultimately unique and dynamic game. however, companies know a game like that might take 7 years to develop. of course the gamer is willing to wait for greatness (fuckin opposite cyberpunk) but they will be losing money during that process and they just might flop and go under. Thats what used to happen back in gamecube and Ps2 days and back then we had some of the greatest games of all time, simply due to people stepping their game up and wanting to prove next gen would be huge. nowadays it just aint like that and companies would rather rack in money from shitty half baked games
@@DoomJoy666 I really want to disagree...
But I can't. Sadly it's true.
At least some indies are pushing the gaming industry.
The fact that l4d is made on source engine makes the game creepier.
Any map without mobs in the source engine makes you feel lonely and that creates tension. And that added to a survival zombie game makes it perfect.
With unreal engine the game looks like a mobile game in my opinion. Reminds me of a new COD zombie game with the engine and the card system.
@Freesmart i mean, you ever seen titanfall 2? that was built on source
there is source engine 2 which dota 2 runs on in 2k21
@Freesmart Source 2 exists, now. Alternatively, they could have just given the game a little extra flair to help it stand out in a sea of UE4 games
L4D vs B4B is the textbook example of soul vs soulless
The upgrade/purchasing system genuinely sounds awful. The reason why Left 4 Dead players are so good at their game is because of the limited tools they're given to combat every situation the game can throw at them. When you give the player the ability to have a build in a survival game like Left 4 Dead, it becomes less about teamwork and individual skill and more about optimization and stats/specs.
I don't know why they went with this idea. It's also extremely immersion breaking, like, suddenly having menus in the middle of game time. I think this is a poor decision overall that only exists because it's what modern FPS's are doing.
We all know why. Money.
fully agree with you man. Left4dead is almost similar to reality thats why people still love it until today.
Yup. PANDERING for DOLLARS. This game is just TERRIBLE, UNINSPIRED. Well actually it is INSPIRED...
As a CASH GRAB.
We live in a modern world where everything has money involved hence why older games are better than new ones
Doubt this game will last as long as l4d has
It will never be. Not even from the "Creators of the Left 4 Dead series" (They just made the first game and also with Evolved they said the same)
They probably wont add workshop so yeah no. That's the biggest reason L4D stayed alive for so long. All the fun custom campaigns and maps.
@@TurUwU Technically the bast majority of UE4 games don't have a workshop or modding tools.
@@Dimitri9511 it's sad tho cuz in epic, the tools are available. Then again, map tools should be more easily to include on UE than other modding tools.
@@TurUwU something so simple but for some reason some Devs get offended by the abismal work that modders can do
Something I remember bringing up with the level design on back 4 blood is the lack of variety with each run, the best comparison I always make is dead center in left 4 dead 2, in the third level the director can decide which route you take making you go to a lower level sometimes before the alarm, I feel with the bigger engine this'd be a great feature to explore and play around with, I wish I had noticed the lack of open space as that's a really good point which I think works hand in hand with that. Still! We have a beta coming so hopefully that'll put some worries to rest
I hope they desaturate the color a little bit to get the horror feel of the older games
The biggest problem back 4 blood will have are the micro transactions. The steam workshop can't be beat. People will still play left 4 dead 2, because of the unlimited free skins, guns, mods. When you can make the tank music play Thomas the tank engine music you win. Left 4 dead 2 will be the better game by far. Back 4 blood needs to let the community make content, and it needs to be free.
damn right! I have about 250 mods on L4D2, and still playing it, when I get too bored of other games. Steam Workshop of L4D2 is *immortal*
all valve offical servers dont allow workshop anymore cause of cheats
so you dont ever really get to use anything
@@freakbag556 Even if just a Chicken costume for Ellis?
@@freakbag556 don't know what are you talking about. I'd say that community versus servers don't allow to use mods due to game advantage, like 3rdperson, for example.
Overall, I can play with mods without any trouble on official coop servers.
yes. this.
There were over 480 body dismembered animations in left 4 dead. I hope back 4 blood does that. Also, the card system literally killed all the hype I had
And the zombies are slow and the ogre is literally a reskin of the Goliath from Evolve.
Me too that card system seems sketchy.
@@jordanianchristian8387 That's what disappointed me too. In L4D the common infected are really weak, but if your not careful they can surround you and kill you really easily because they are so fast and there are so many of them. In Back 4 Blood they look slow and there aren't as many at one time so its not that threatening.
@UChsINq7FlOgdfITo4MZOOdg another dumbass who has zero fucking clue what he's talking about.
L4D looks oddly smooth for a 2008 - 2009 game bruh, and the fact that it stands out on a 2021 game says alot. Valve really knows their shit
I find it funny that the AK is shooting brass cased ammo. AK owners know that 90% of the ammo that exists for it is Russian or Chinese Grey/dark brown colored steel case.
Sure, brass 7.62x39 exists. But it's typically Hella expensive. Most of the mass produced stuff use steel.
It's the end of the world in a zombie apocalypse and homie is blasting his rare brass stuff on full auto lol.
Pssh.. they only kill zombies with the best. These guys roll hard
Right. I’d love to see some Tula casings flying around 🤣🤣🤣
The Left 4 Dead games also benefit from the strange and eerie atmosphere of Source games. I remember seeing a video about it and how certain Gmod maps with the silence of them is creepy
Exactly. This is exactly what I was thinking too.
(I haven't played the B4B demo, so take this with some salt)
Something I love is the L4D's commons is their idle AI. From what I've seen in gameplay, the B4B commons seem to just stand around. In Left 4 Dead, the commons can:
- Vomit their guts out
- Lean on walls and sit on the floor and in chairs
- Fight each other
- Try breaking down near by doors
From what I've seen, in B4B they don't do anything!
Yea, L4D definitely put in a ton of small details like that to make the experience just that much more immersive.
Well if you feedback turtle rock they'll probably pick up on your idea! Don't expect a game to have a lot of details when it's an alpha.
Still prefer L4D 1 and L4D 2 over B4B . Get rid of the card based system and just make a normal jump in co-op shooter.
Thanks for the great comparison. I really like the point about the large maps in L4d. I remember a lot of times thinking oh man, I don't think I'm gonna make it to my teammate that needs help! It would really add to the tension. If the map is really linear and smaller in B4b I can see how that tension would get removed. Still it's looking like a phenominal game, can't wait to get my hands on it.
I love how the AK in B4B has only 20 bullets per magazine and spits like three casings per shot
and the M1 Carbine has 10 rounds in the video..
Back for bloods alpha is an example of grahpics don't matter if the gameplay can't hold the game up.
Man good thing the gameplay was great huh
@@nickhoude21 yeah, I say it needs improving but at least it wasn't evolved.
I'm still shocked how L4D still holds strong.
This is something to study on. With great graphics, comes with great responsibility.
A Game needs a good foundation, for it needs to withstand strong winds and floods.
Never build your house on sand, always build your house on rock.
Yeah I still come back to L4D2 fairly often, it’s the randomization and openness of the gameplay that keeps it interesting. It’s never exactly the same.
I prefer they ditch the vendor, otherwise we only pick the weapons we want, which make finding weapon dull. While L4d2 it's random and because of this we are force to learn not to be picky but to adapt whatever we found, and that's make interesting every time you play L4d2.
Nothing will beat left 4 dead not even this one created by the same creators.
it's kind of sad when left for dead 2 is still on par graphically with back for blood.
Back 4 blood looks incredibly generic to me it fails to capture Left 4 Deads appeal in my opinion
But l4d2 is moddable with a strong community, I have l4d2 running in 4k textures with allsorts of other graphics, Sound and Visual mods in making it look movie like and impressive, But the thing is l4d1 and 2 also have over 1.8 million custom maps, Not sure if back for blood will have mods but even if so, It wont have as strong a following as l4d series does, I played the alpha and i wasn't impressed with it much, Visually on graphics its eye candy good But the campaign i played was short and the gameplay was average in the alpha trail i got free and the price tag the devs are asking is ridiculously high starting from £55 for the starter game and £85 for the ultimate edition, It will sell well but i dont see it selling aswell to be honest as the l4d series.
I love its modularity, but these comparisons only focus on official material from the developers themselves
@@Nick930 Fair enough i know :D
I feel like the special infected have less recognizable designs (or the game is just too dark to see any of them). Left 4 dead’s special infected had an instantly recognizable silhouette
all of the ridden special infected is bald and pale lol
The ogre seems like a gaint miss fire. Just waddle around it
Still blows my mind how good the face models in Left 4 Dead look for the time it came out.
Back4blood: sprint
Left 4 dead: *B u n n y h o p*
So true😂
Was really excited for this game, feel like not having big open spaces like in l4d will be a huge miss. I love the exploration aspect of the game and if it’s just: go through here, then here, then here, it’ll be quite tedious. Also that copper system kind of takes away the whole survival aspect like wtf
Yea, and that would also diminish replay value. Something about L4D is that due to it's procedural generation and overall randomness, each run of a campaign feels like a new experience. If B4B doesn't have the same style of not knowing what's gonna happen next, a lot of the experience will be gone.
The special infected must be fun to play if this game wants to have success. That goes hand in hand with map size, etc. I feel like making clunky characters like the ogre is gonna turn me off. There's nothing better than playing a sneaky tank, throwing rocks to maintain control, hitting environmental objects at people when the opportunity opens. It was like a chess match. I feel like they're just removing that experience from the game
Great video. Very informative. I completely agree with that you say about the difficulty of L4D feeling more unpredictable and the cards taking some of that away. And especially the ogre being disappointing. That music playing announcing the arrival of the tank was always terrifying no matter where or when it happened, especially on higher difficulties.
I never stopped playing this and have been eager for B4B, not now it sadly sounds like L4D is still the undisputed winner.
B4B hurts. The base is there. But its missed the little things. It's all substance and no style
L4D sucks dude
@@lilbmusic9629 B4B sucks
They should just including a mode that plays exactly like left for dead 2 (No cards, half size version of the giant, item and weapon piles found on stage/no stores)
l4d was so much fun because you jump in with your buddies and start killing zombies. now you have to setup your cards and look for copper around in the level. I think is time to reinstall l4d2 and play it again
What a great comparison video, exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
I’m getting so much nostalgia seeing L4D & L4D2 idk why. Guess it’s been that long since I played the two games. Run, and shoot. So simple yet so much fun.
That’s what I’m feeling is really hurting B4B. The horrible hipfire aim, and the dead slow movement when you ADS means it’s just START STOP gameplay. It’s really annoying I want to MOVE WHILST I SHOOT. It’s really annoying me actually
It would be nice to see a faster movement speed, it’s hard to tell just from watching but the default speed just seems a tad too slow
Hm maybe. But they definetly need to make the world larger to allow for that.
Yep and the movement speed when you ADS is just UGHHHH. So annoying I don’t want to be slowed down to a snails pace in a zombie game I want to MOVE WHILE I SHOOT like in the originals!!! How do they not get this.
I never noticed how big L4D was, I just kept moving, but I do appreciate the facial features of L4D2. I hope it’s as good as the legend itself
Can you please do a comparison between killing floor 1 and 2 ? Great videos mate, keep them coming!
Great video, just the info I was looking for! Our L4D group is keen to move on to something similar but new.
The zombies look like they’re moving in slow motion. Needs to be darker and more gory🙏🏼
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Left 4 dead: green fluid
Back 4 blood: worm
Soulless, what happened to having a style both in tone and art direction
Back4blood felt off to me and I just realized why after watching this video, it's promising but it took away some of the things that made L4D2 so good, hope they fix/change some stuff before releasing cuz I'd love to play
Seems a COD zombie disguised as l4d2.
Not bad but the soul of this game is too generic... it wont last.
Exactly
Left 4 Dead 1 will always be the GOAT best characters, best map, best environment and classic special infected
The sound tracks for left 4 dead is so good
Working on that epic video I see. Had me worried for a sec.
Can you do Ground Branch vs Zero hour next? Or even compare the new Beyond the wire with the "veterans" Post Scriptum and Hell Let loose?
I was considering looking into that new ww2 shooter, Enfield I think it was called? Enlisted? Cant remember.
Havent heard of zero hour, but ground Branch could be cool to return to
@@Nick930 please do zero hour vs ground branch
@@Nick930 just like Hell LL & Post Scriptum, Enlisted is also a WWII game, whereas Beyond the Wire is set during WWI, although it uses the same core as PS & Squad, so it would be cool to compare all of them at the current state.
Ground Branch & Zero Hour are tactical shooters, so it's a different genre. They could be compared to Rainbow Six. I'm sure these comparisons would get you tons of views :D
@@Nick930 enlisted is an...interesting game. It's 10-15 players but each player has an AI squad they can command/switch between like in bf2 on console (if you played that) and yes, the AI is pretty bad with no preservation of life. It is made by the guys behind war thunder and already have signs of p2w.
have no care for the card system, just another obstacle that gets between me and playing the game
Finally, I found a non biased comparison. Thank you so much!
I cant get over how in back 4 blood the guns spit out multiple shells after each shot.
Environments just looking weird man, hope they improve the gloominess and the occasional jump scare. I’ve realised a lot of gamers adding hit markers and having way too much on the hud it just takes away that immersive experience.
Imagine if it turns to have a very big pay2win problem with that copper stuff
The l4d2 daily player count would jump from 25000 to 100000 real fast
Hopefully then turtle may go the route that Capcom did with RE and LISTEN TO THEIR FANS shocker ik
I feel like this anncouncement from turtle rock studies is low key a ad for L4D 2
I don't care what they're called, i'm only going to refer to the specials by their original names.
I’m still sad that there will really never be other games like left 4 dead and left 4 dead 2.
We all are....
What about sound design? Characters? Or gore? I feel like these should have been cared for more.
I heard that for the Alpha of B4B they "cranked" things up high, which is why some parts of the beta felt unbalanced (aka the final level of the alpha chapter where there was constant horde spawns)
The only reason why B4B that don't have on L4D is the following
1. Very Good Plot
2. Triggering obstacle
3. Well- envelope environmental issues during z apocalypse
4. Military are still active on the game
5. Relaxing coil sound when you reload and right- clicking of it.
My best friend that I used to play L4D with would love this. Sadly, he passed away October 2020 on his birthday while he was in the army. This will def bring up some memories 😭
I hate the idea of the cards and buying ammo, the reason l4d is better is coz it makes u think about ur ammo, health and best ways to deal with things.
L4d ain't as limited as u make out, I can climb over stuff + there multiple routes.
I just don't like how back for blood looks so tactical and heavy.
So basically they added all the usual stuff that current gen games have like better models, textures and lighting. But left out everything that made Left 4 Dead an amazing experience which I still jump into till today. Gotcha.
СУПЕР видео. Отличный разбор, а не просто сравнение графики. Лайк)
This game will never be as good as left for dead
Honestly, I think people - including myself - have a totally irrational hate towards cards.
I immediately lost all hope when you even just mentioned the word, but then, y'know...
It really _is_ a lot like mutations. And honestly, I think the backlash would be infinitely smaller, if those cards were instead presented as a boring old list.
I think cards carry an association that - like real life card games - it will be heavily monetised.
I've just started playing Left 4 Dead again and it still looks quite good. The art direction is really cohesive and the weapon models are really well done.
One thing I love about L4D is the sound design. That creepy background music was always great.
I tuned out at the card system... seems like a red flag. Actually I see many red flags. The game will probably tank like Evolve did.
Exactly why I refunded my preorder
I really credit Valve for the quality and the masterpiece that is Left for Dead 2.
You forget the HD and even 4K character texture updates that you can use with L4D2, makes the characters look really nice
I like how L4D uses lights, graffiti, and subtle cues to guide you to where you need to go without you actively seeking out where to go.