Took up archery about a year ago at the tender age of 46. Probably not quite as much of a following for compound bows here in the uk as you guys have. Just took delivery of a stinger and can't wait to get shooting. Loving your videos very useful and simple to follow. Great work 👍
I have watched many people's videos talking about archery and yours are by far the most informative of all I have seen Your explanations are knowledgeable, unbiased and easy to understand. Thank you and keep up the good work
Love your videos, down to the point, informative and yet humble. Shooting arrows for more than a decade, always seem to correct some rookie mistakes watching... 🙏🏼
I realize you came out with this video 5 years ago and it may be a long gone thought, but another great idea to solidify your anchor point is taking a little knot of serving string and tying it to the string where it touches somewhere on your face (ie. tip of nose, corner of mouth like a kisser button, etc) gives a 3rd anchor point and guarantees you will have the exact same anchor point every time. Good muscle memory activity for beginners. I've been shooting for 20 years and I still have it on my bow. I would Rather feel redundant than accidentally mess up on a hunting trip out of excitement and adrenaline!!! Great informative video!
I've done it all. Kisser, nose button, brass nock, serving piece, etc. I just never got used to a foreign object on my string touching my face. Lol! But it's definitely a godsend for a lot of bowhunters out there.
Thank you so much, Everytime i watch one of your vids, i take that knowledge to the range and adapt it to my style of shooting, I keep getting better from it. Im also hard headed so your way of teaching is perfect for an old knuckle head like myself,lol. Thank you my friend.
Hey, good vid man - really clear cut. I've moved on to a 30" axle to axle from 33.5. I'm now having trouble with touching my nose to the string. I've moved my anchor and started using a thumb release. I'm sure I'll get it, but man the draw length - I'm bouncing between 29.5 and 30 trying to get it where I don't have to bend so far to get my nose on the string. Part of the fun I guess.
Thanks for the tips. I started with a new compound bow today, felt 29" was too short and 30" didn't feel quite right either. I'll watch this again tomorrow before I pick it up again and see if I can get more comfortable with it.
I was always told by really good pros is to draw eye level to target. If you draw low alot of times people have to fight to bring bow up to target like there's a weight on it
Thank you for making the videos. I am new have used many of your videos to learn and better myself with a little of all I have looked at. So thx take care and keep on
Really thanks for this video. I understand now that i have to change my draw lenght from 32 to 31,5 because on 32 i feel uncomfortable and i have straight arm. Best wishes from Poland! Thanks again!
Complicated and takes time.. Peep position, draw length, anchor points, some bows sight position. I ended up anchoring in the exact same spot as you to get the string on the tip of my nose without tipping my head. If you close your eyes, draw, anchor your draw hand, touch the string with your nose without any contortions, open your eyes and your peep and sight housing are right on, you got it.
@@bigjon576 I did xD my Black Mamba from Howatt has 70#@28". I'm pulling 29,5".... But my Ringfinger quit. Now i'm back to a 70# compound and use a wrist release till my hand will work again. Not really happy about. But last week i bougt a Fred Bear Super Kodiak from the Grayling aera so hopefully my finger gets better soon. 😁
I recently got Into archery. and your videos from the anchor point, to draw weight, from bow selection have made this whole learning process so much easy! and I am also from PA. Thanks for the help!!
Epic video AJA been trying to work out my draw length and now I know. I’m running similar numbers to you just under 31” so 30” it is. Time to look for he bow which thanks to you will be a better quality used bow rather than a cheap Chinese one with all the extra fluff. Hopefully get right into Archery and excite my kids to do the same. Thank you very much 🤙🏻
I also have to see what arrows I'm going to use now, my old Hoyt recurve aluminums were really, really light, slimline and narrow-gauge, with the smallest aluminum target points, never field!
About to start shooting again after years of being away, but switching to a compound Diamond SB1 instead of my old Olympic Style Hoyt setup I used to shoot exclusively. The reason is I didn't have $2000 to give Hoyt, as much as I love them. I don't ever recall having to mess with draw length with my old Hoyt takedown Medalist, of course you were stuck with that riser and those limbs, everything else was optional on the riser, rests, stabilizers, etc. I'm assuming this was because those risers and limbs were pre-selected for youth archers or something? My old club always had people who knew how to adjust these things and do string work, though they didn't have a full shop on site, which was a bit odd--they'd set your nocking points, whatever, so I never worried about all that. I was even trained in how to repair and re-fletch arrows, which was really cool! Just need a brace or table clamp and some nocking and fletching cement. This was before carbon and screw-in points came along. Now of course I'm faced with a bow that can adjust draw weight and length any way you like. I found I didn't even have the 1/4" allen key (for some ridiculous reason, wasn't on my otherwise fully-loaded allen key set!) you need for adjusting draw weight, though I see how easy it is to do. It would have been better, however, if Diamond had been able to put the incremental values on the limbs so you can see the precise draw weight you are adjusting to. I like precision. Adjusting Draw length is a bit trickier, you have to take down and loosen the cams or whatever to do that. I'm taking the whole thing to the range and getting them to set it all up, without a doubt. Anyway, this video was enormously helpful. I always was trained to use the clicker release, a kisser button to anchor every single time, and a plunger button thing on the rest, along with a steel wire arrow drop off rest. But again, this was recurve competition shooting. I never used a peep sight though I knew what one was, just never needed one, given I used the old CheckIT target sight! Just adjust and shoot. Anyway, thanks and I'm looking forward to being on the line again!
there's a lot of folks that would disagree. I shoot exactly the same anchors at a 29". been told I'm a 27", been told I'm 28", but both of those are uncomfortable. feels like I'm shooting in the fetal position. my bow arm isn't extended either, still got the string avoidance bend in it. Pretty sure I'm doing it right too since it's comfortable to me and my groups aren't open or loose, and are very repeatable. most of them folks look at my height. I ain't particularly tall. actually 5'8", but I've got gorilla arms. been a few folks that found out the hard way that when they hit me, I can reach out and touch them back. they at a double disadvantage, they got to swing low, and if they can hit me, I can hit them. thanks for the confirmation that I'm not shooting willy nilly.
Great info! I had a feeling my draw lengtg was too long. I'm new to the bow world and just let me say the shop i got mine set up at left a lot to be desired and i walked away fustrated as can be.
Great video, as always. I’m a newbie to archery. I haven’t shot since I was a teen. 47yrs old now and have just shot a recurve a few times recently. I’ve purchased a Diamond Edge SB1, as that’s a perfect beginner bow, with literally no bow press adjustments required. I bought it online from a shop and have done the arrow rest alignment from videos. The question I have is...I have to install the peep sight and I’m not sure if that can be done, without having to loosen and separate the string? FYI: The peep sight string is already strung through the bow string via a fine peep sight string to a thicker one. I hope that doesn’t sound complicated. And I think I have the description correct. Namaste and thanks from Vancouver Island, BC. 🇨🇦🙏🏼
There are products made that can split the string without using a press, but as you can imagine they can put a hurting on a string under tension trying to pry them open with the tool. Licking for you though, if you want to go that route, your bow can be lowered to a VERY light poundage. That will allow a lot less stress on the string, and you could split it more easily. Then you can simply turn your poundage back up to your desired weight once the peep in is.
I'm trying to get my son into bow before moving into rifle (bolt action), currently he is 10, 11 by summer and my question is, should we go into a bow packaged for teens or something cheap and change as he grows? For instance, I believe he could pull 30+ lbs as well being tall for his age, as he grows, he'll be on the top chart for age and could work up poundage? No I don't own one myself nor shot one, but it's time for both of us to grow together ? Thanks for any input on this subject. Obviously accessories and high end attachments can wait until he earns it
Hi fellow tall person! I have a PSE catalog right in front of me- looks like a Supra Focus XL LD is 28"-33.5" which looks like their biggest option within this booklet. Never tried this one personally tho, but I like PSE a lot.
does the length of a release aid have an effect? should i aim to have the release only come out to the tip of my finger? for me personally, i feel like i loose strength on my draw when i use a wrist mounted release vs just drawing the same weight with my fingers. i haven't found any videos talking about how a release aid could make drawing a bow harder, is that something that actually happens, or am i only experiencing that because im new to archery?
YES! The differences in the lengths of release aid do make a difference in your draw length as you will either be drawing the bow further or less far depending on the type and size of the trigger you use. Having a release that has a longer length means that you will have to draw a little further to get the string to the stops and you may find that this is awkward and uncomfortable to do regularly. You may have to adjust your bow's draw stops a little to suit the kind of release you want to use. You will know when its right as it will feel right and, more importantly, be repeatable!
I'm a beginner, and want to buy a bow and I found this so informative. I'm 6' 1" with a full 72 inche reach but relaxed I'm down to a 70 .5 and did your math and came to a 28 draw. What is a good bow to start off with because there is so many and it is overwhelming. Thank you for your time and any further advice you can give.
32DorBust The short answer is you don't account for a dloop length. If your draw is 30" then you shoot 30" with a dloop as well. The dloop allows you to anchor with your hand away from right in front of your face and allows the use of a peep sight.
Not uncommon at all! The basic measurement guide is just that, a guide. You could like it longer or shorter depending on how a bow or shooting style suits you!
When I was watching you showing the form issues with incorrect draw length I had a few thoughts... That bow has a relatively low draw weight, or you are a beast. ;)
i am 29 and a half inch draw length when i draw my bow the arrow point is right in front of my arrow rest the arrow length is around 31" AM I DOING RIGHT I SHOOT A 58" TAKE DOWN RECURVE BOW IN A DAY I SHOOT 30 3D TARGETS PLUS HALF HOUR PRACTICE TWICE A WEEK
I noticed you pressing the string a lot into your cheek. Doesn't this affect the strings path? I guess you tune for that and as long as you're consistent it shouldn't matter, right? I ask this because i purposely lowered my peep a bit so that i now touch the SIDE of my nose, which brings the string a bit off center of my face, which in turn keeps me from pressing it too far into my cheek. I do have to tilt my head a bit though, now. Thoughts and feelings please
Well I certainly wouldn't recommend it!!! A draw length that is too long can really have negative effects on your shooting form and become really uncomfortable over time.
Like your videos, subbed. Have gotten interested in bowing and bow hunting. So what are your thoughts on a PSE stinger x for a first bow? Secondly, doesent the release system shorten the drawlenght? Could you do a more detailed video on arrows, arent they poundage and drawlenght dependent?
John Desolator Glad you enjoy the content! I have shot the original Stinger 3G and that was a really nice entry bow. I'm really a fan of single cam bows for those starting out. I would also recommend you watch Archerytalk's latest video in their 5 entry-level bow comparison. Really a great video from a very reliable resource, and the Stinger X is one of the bows they shoot! To answer on your draw length question, yes, it can shorten it. However, with a release that's set to the proper length and form that's correctly set up, it shouldn't. A TON of people use a release that's way too long when they start out, and it's just bad form and uncomfortable to shoot! So just keep that in mind. I have been wanting to talk about arrows for forever now, but I just haven't had the time to talk about arrow spine, weight, length, FOC, etc. For now, watch John Dudley and his nock-on series here on RUclips about arrow spine and the different kinds of arrows. Good guy with some good teaching skills! Hope this helps!
would the new hoyt powermax be a good investment it would be my second bow I recently just purchased a 2013 Parker inferno as my first bow and I plan to get into archery and I want as a hoyt or a bowtech or something around there and around 500-700 dollar range that will last me quite a few years
Both Hoyt and Bowtech are reputable companies and the Powermax and predecessor of the Charger are great bows. I would also throw in Quest bows made by G5/Prime as top bows in that 500-700 range. Good luck making one of life's hardest decisions!
Why is it that I am more accurate with an older bow ie: I Robinhood my arrows more often than not and with a newer bow I'm all over the target? Both bows are set at 28 inches draw length, or should I go to a pro shop and have them watch me shoot both bows?
There are a lot of different factors (half of them are internal) factors that go into how accurately we shoot a bow. So don't be alarmed! A pro shop is definitely best to help you out as a second (or third) pair of eyes can really be beneficial in determining what needs to be adjusted to get you into tip top shape.
Thanks for this video! One question: should the bow be at max draw when it reaches the corner of the mouth? Just tried archery at Gotham Archery. I was told to draw back to the corner of my lip, but I noticed that the bow provided could be drawn back further than this. Looking to buy my first bow and want to get the proper size
Draw length for a compound bow and anchor location are very user-specific. Guys anchor in a variety of different ways. The behind the ear method I show is a very solid spot to anchor because your can't contort the position of your ear. Haha! Draw to whatever length is comfortable and ensure that your bow arm (left arm for right handed shooter) is bent just slightly. If it's straight out you risk a lot of string contact and those bruises and welts will hurt like the Dickens.
I measured my draw length it came out as 32 I have a Oneida black eagle the string can be pulled back to my check fully drawn with fingers so should I change the modules? For a shorter draw or is it ok?
Average Jack Archery thanks. I currently have a 30” I bought 2nd hand I can shoot it and I took an 8pt last season w it but I noticed it’s not very comfortable to shoot. 😂
This is an old video but I’ve got a question, if I cannot physically draw my bow across my chest like you do here, and I have to kind of push/pull starting high then coming down, is my draw weight too high? It’s only 60lbs but it’s an older Barnett dual cam bow, my buddies single cam PSE at 70lbs I can draw no problem.
Old video but I still see your comment! :) Push/pull is definitely a fine way to draw your bow if that's what's comfortable. But if you find yourself having to go high and low and really fighting for each draw of the bow, then yes I'd say the weight might be too high with that bow for you. Like you said, some bows are easier and smoother than others, and that might be the case with your Barnett. Hope this helps!
Average Jack Archery - thanks for your help bud, I lied it’s actually an old Darton Fury lol like a 2003 😆 man I didn’t know this thing was that old. This old beast slings em but I think it’s time to upgrade! I’m on a budget so I’m thinking PSE Stinger X
Awesome. My in-laws live there near University Park. Been small game hunting several times near Rothrock State Forest, Bald Eagle State Forest, Toftrees gamelands and Shiloh gamelands near State College & Bellefonte areas, but never had a chance to hunt any PA big game in those regions. Looking forward to scouting and getting familiar with the gamelands in Capital area, Lancaster, Dauphin, and Lebanon areas. God Bless you and your family brother!
Does your nose have to touch? My head leans forward when trying to touch with my nose. Is that normal or should I increase the draw length? I'm a beginner and had my draw length set up at a local archery store. The guy seemed to know what he was doing so not sure if I should adjust the length or not.
@@HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy not always the case! get yourself properly measured to be sure and avoid making an expensive mistake by buying arrows that may be too short as a result! if you find the arrows are too long, you can always shorten them but you cant make them longer again!
I recently changed the draw weight on my bow and now feel like the draw length has changed, is this possible or is it more likely that I'm just not used to the feel of it with the higher draw weight and that's why it seems different?
Nope! That totally happens. Although the change is usually very small and for the vast majority of archers, it's impossible to detect. Lightening poundage will increase length, and increasing poundage will decrease length. Most likely though it feels odd because now your peak weight and letoff/holding weight are different and that'll definitely make the bow feel different in its draw. Hope this helps!
I wish I had a good Archery guy to help me I went to a big time archery dealer for my new bear bow and I swear I'm not shooting correct length . I feel like I'm reaching and he has me on a wrist release and I need a thumb release and he wo up ld not mount a kiss button overall not to impressed with this popular store. But overall I'm stuck with a non-tune bow and I don't even feel comfortable taking it out , he tightened the sight screw so tight I can't adjust it I feel truly robbed
I bought a used Bear The Truth bow. The manufacturer says 29 inch draw, whoever had it before me evidently had a longer draw than me, mine is 28 1/2. The release point lands at the front of my ear. Can I twist my string to shorten the draw length? If so how would I go about doing that, I don't have a bow press.Any help would be appreciated.
GARY BUSBY I was under the impression that The Truth (like nearly all Bear bows) was draw length adjustable via a rotating module that you can adjust without a press. If that's the case you just need a set of Allen keys to move it.
Thanks Jack, my cam was totally different so I called Bear, you have to change the module instead of adjusting it,they don,t make the cam any more but they do have the module so I ordred one. Next week I should be up and running. Thanks so much for your help. Love your videos, most informative.
Hi, as I'm relatively new to archery and have only so far bought off the shelf arrows I was wondering if I could shorten them myself. The arrows are 30" but my draw is 27 1/4" so I'd prefer to have 28" arrows. Can I simply cut 2" off the arrow, remove the insert and tip and re-fit? The arrows are 500 spine which at at 28"/50-55lbs draw weight would suit my bow better than at the full 30" if I've read the chart properly. Thanks for sharing and God Bless.
R Mac You most certainly can do that. I would remove the insert first however, then cut the shaft to length. My guess is they'll be in with some sort super glue or fast set glue. The best way to remove them is to remove the nock from the other end, and put a drill bit or other decently heavy piece of slim metal in that end Then flick your wrist and slam the bit into the back of the insert when it runs through the shaft. Tim Gillingham did a video on this for Gold Tip a few years back. You can most likely find it if you do a RUclips or Google search. Good luck!
Thanks for the reply, maybe this is a stupid question but how do I remove the nocks? they don't have an insert so I'm guessing they're just a friction fit and should pull out? Thanks, Richard
Hi thanks, yeah I discovered that last night, spent all day today making an arrow cutting jig for my dremel, finally got all 10 arrows cut (27 1/2") and the inserts and tips fitted. Unfortunately by the time I'd finished it was too dark to try them. Thanks Again.
Great video again, I hope my questions don't get too tiresome :) As I'm getting back into recurve shooting, could I take the wing span method to get close to my draw length and then, with some help, draw my bow to my shooting position and have someone measure it from string to rest and work out how I have my arrows from there? The times I had arrows measured out before were at a shop many years ago and I can't remember how they did it. I'm unable to make it along to one( as they're very far from where I live) so I'm opting to go online, ordering the same make as my last ones but with the right length. Hope for some great advice again :)
SE FullmetalJake If you have someone to help you measure, what you said is definitely a great option. But something to keep in mind is that recurves are fickle beasts. They really like the arrows they shoot the best to be tuned the best. And you never know what those best tuned arrows are until you start playing around with arrow weights, lengths, and spines. Good luck!
Joseph D For me, I create the least amount of excess movement going across my chest. I've seen folks with a high or parallel elbow not be able to, or really struggle to get their bow back in the heat of a hunting moment. I've never had such an issue going across my chest so I stick with it. When I shot competitively with a lighter poundage bow I did have a different draw cycle to my shot, but extraneous lateral or vertical movement isn't an issue as the paper target won't spook and run away! Thanks for the question! God bless.
Why do you draw across your chest like that? Why don’t you draw with your elbow up? I have seen videos made by professionals like Chris Bee who says you should never draw your bow like that. Drawing your bow should be on fluid movement draw into your anchor. Also better for your shoulder from what I have read. Is there a reason why you learned to draw your bow like that?
ruclips.net/video/jva-nMa0CVY/видео.html&ab_channel=AverageJackArchery Part of the issue with that video was I didn't think through my filming space and that ceiling was about 7'6" and I'm already 6'4". LOL! So I couldn't truly execute a clean draw at the time.
i gotta ask you a question hopefully you can answer im 6'1 and my wing span is 77" witch comes out to 30.8 inches would it be better for me to shorten it to 30.5 or 30 or keep in at 31, im at 31" but for some reason it still feels short
Without being able to see your form and how you shoot I don't want to give you any "all out" advice and ruin your experience. But I will say a few things I've always encountered in my times helping folks (and myself) find draw weight and length. 1. 99% of people are either at or below their number. Meaning that I'm at 30.4", but shoot 30". So I doubt that you are a true 31"+ draw length. 2. If possible, shoot at all possible draw lengths with your bow (I'd go 30-31" for you) and see if you particularly group best at one draw length. 3. For us archery hunters, in particular in the North where cold weather is imminent, a shorter draw length causes that nice elbow flex which helps get a big puffy winter coat out of the way during the shot. 4. Make sure your form is really up to snuff and standing straight up. A form that's really leaning back can give the illusion of a longer draw length. Hope this helps! God bless.
+An Average Jack okay perfect thankyou i will try a bit lower around 30 hopfully 30 feels better cause its hard finding bows above 30. but now that i think of it, i do hit my arm every once in a while idk if its cause my dl is to long or just shooters error every once in a while
A draw length that's too long is the most likely culprit of the arm slap! I made myself gun shy and actually shot 29.5" for a while after I was fooling around shooting and royally caught my arm with a 70lb bow a few years back. Stick to good form and your proper draw length will show in both shooter comfort and accuracy down range.
@@russelllangworthy8855 Well I'm that lady and I'm 6ft 4 and shoot recurve holding 45LB on the fingers on 34lb limbs. 2 give you an idea of how long my arms are I have a friend who I do kickboxing sparring sessions with and my arms reach is longer than his leg reach by about 1 inch.
@@LenorHPV18 You must have had a difficult time growing up being what some people would consider "outside the the norm". Children can be very cruel. Trust me, I lnow.
you should be drawing the bow only with your rear delt, straight across your body from your other arm. This guy's form is not perfect, far from it. It might work for him, but that's not what everyone should do.
@@rodrekus I damaged my rotator cuff back in the late '80s and had to start drawing my bow across my chest, elbow down, incorporating more bicep. Up until about 5 yrs ago I was still shooting 82 lbs (I'm 60 yrs old now), but now only shoot 70 lbs. I've never experienced any additional problems with my rotator cuff or shoulder drawing like this.
I am an old Archer but I learn something from all you guys. Thank you
Took up archery about a year ago at the tender age of 46. Probably not quite as much of a following for compound bows here in the uk as you guys have. Just took delivery of a stinger and can't wait to get shooting. Loving your videos very useful and simple to follow. Great work 👍
as someone who is just starting out with bows i find your videos helpful in manny ways even if i got the bow befor finding you
You are really good at teaching people. Thanks for your videos.
Thanks!
I have watched many people's videos talking about archery and yours are by far the most informative of all I have seen Your explanations are knowledgeable, unbiased and easy to understand. Thank you and keep up the good work
Thanks, Bill!
Love your videos, down to the point, informative and yet humble. Shooting arrows for more than a decade, always seem to correct some rookie mistakes watching... 🙏🏼
Thanks for the kind words and thanks for tuning in!
I realize you came out with this video 5 years ago and it may be a long gone thought, but another great idea to solidify your anchor point is taking a little knot of serving string and tying it to the string where it touches somewhere on your face (ie. tip of nose, corner of mouth like a kisser button, etc) gives a 3rd anchor point and guarantees you will have the exact same anchor point every time. Good muscle memory activity for beginners. I've been shooting for 20 years and I still have it on my bow. I would Rather feel redundant than accidentally mess up on a hunting trip out of excitement and adrenaline!!! Great informative video!
I've done it all. Kisser, nose button, brass nock, serving piece, etc. I just never got used to a foreign object on my string touching my face. Lol! But it's definitely a godsend for a lot of bowhunters out there.
This is incredibly useful information. Really clears up a lotta questions I’ve had lately
Awesome thanks! I’m brand new to archery this is helpful for me thanks. 🙏🏽
I have been shooting for about two years now. Your video explanation was outstanding and will help me obtain much better shooting ability. Thanks
Thank you so much, Everytime i watch one of your vids, i take that knowledge to the range and adapt it to my style of shooting, I keep getting better from it. Im also hard headed so your way of teaching is perfect for an old knuckle head like myself,lol. Thank you my friend.
Hey, good vid man - really clear cut. I've moved on to a 30" axle to axle from 33.5. I'm now having trouble with touching my nose to the string. I've moved my anchor and started using a thumb release. I'm sure I'll get it, but man the draw length - I'm bouncing between 29.5 and 30 trying to get it where I don't have to bend so far to get my nose on the string. Part of the fun I guess.
Thanks for the tips. I started with a new compound bow today, felt 29" was too short and 30" didn't feel quite right either. I'll watch this again tomorrow before I pick it up again and see if I can get more comfortable with it.
I was always told by really good pros is to draw eye level to target. If you draw low alot of times people have to fight to bring bow up to target like there's a weight on it
Thank you for making the videos. I am new have used many of your videos to learn and better myself with a little of all I have looked at. So thx take care and keep on
Right on thank you I really appreciate your videos.
Really thanks for this video. I understand now that i have to change my draw lenght from 32 to 31,5 because on 32 i feel uncomfortable and i have straight arm. Best wishes from Poland! Thanks again!
Complicated and takes time.. Peep position, draw length, anchor points, some bows sight position. I ended up anchoring in the exact same spot as you to get the string on the tip of my nose without tipping my head. If you close your eyes, draw, anchor your draw hand, touch the string with your nose without any contortions, open your eyes and your peep and sight housing are right on, you got it.
Just bought myself a new bow, my first one. I thought I would be able to draw 70lb no problem......boy was I wrong.
Oh no! But yes, this is one of the biggest misconceptions in archery. People sometimes over-bow themselves by accident.
@@averagejackarchery is ok tho it's adjustable 17-70 lb so I've turned the power down to around 45lb. Love your channel I've learnt alot from it.
I have shot 2 deer within 30 yds with 50lbs draw weight. Arrows pass through
I have a 75lb recurve. You should try pulling that.
@@bigjon576
I did xD my Black Mamba from Howatt has 70#@28". I'm pulling 29,5".... But my Ringfinger quit. Now i'm back to a 70# compound and use a wrist release till my hand will work again. Not really happy about. But last week i bougt a Fred Bear Super Kodiak from the Grayling aera so hopefully my finger gets better soon. 😁
Very helpful. I am new to compound bow archery.
Great job with your explanation!
I learned a lot from this video. Thanks.
You're most welcome! Glad I could help. God bless.
I would love to have some good friends like yourself and just someone to share the love of archery as I do
I've been thinking about getting into bow hunting these videos are very informative thanx
So glad I could help! God bless.
I recently got Into archery. and your videos from the anchor point, to draw weight, from bow selection have made this whole learning process so much easy! and I am also from PA. Thanks for the help!!
I'm so glad I could help out! Best of luck with your archery journey! God bless.
Epic video AJA been trying to work out my draw length and now I know. I’m running similar numbers to you just under 31” so 30” it is. Time to look for he bow which thanks to you will be a better quality used bow rather than a cheap Chinese one with all the extra fluff. Hopefully get right into Archery and excite my kids to do the same. Thank you very much 🤙🏻
I also have to see what arrows I'm going to use now, my old Hoyt recurve aluminums were really, really light, slimline and narrow-gauge, with the smallest aluminum target points, never field!
Im brand new to archery. I just bought a bear cruzer g2. This video helps alot in finding correct way to draw and shoot
I’m 31 inch draw and I do have just a bit of elbow bend and the spectra E settles perfect
About to start shooting again after years of being away, but switching to a compound Diamond SB1 instead
of my old Olympic Style Hoyt setup I used to shoot exclusively. The reason is I didn't have $2000 to give
Hoyt, as much as I love them. I don't ever recall having to mess with draw length
with my old Hoyt takedown Medalist, of course you were stuck with that riser and those limbs, everything else was optional on the riser, rests, stabilizers, etc. I'm assuming this was because those risers and limbs were pre-selected for youth archers or something?
My old club always had people who knew how to adjust these things and do string work, though they didn't
have a full shop on site, which was a bit odd--they'd set your nocking points, whatever, so I never worried about all that. I was even trained in how to repair and re-fletch arrows, which was really cool! Just need a brace or table clamp and some nocking and fletching cement. This was before carbon and screw-in points came along. Now of course I'm faced with a bow that can adjust draw weight and length any way you like. I found I didn't even have the 1/4" allen key (for some ridiculous reason, wasn't on my otherwise fully-loaded allen key set!) you need for adjusting draw weight, though I see how easy it is to do. It would have been better, however, if Diamond had been able to put the incremental values on the limbs so you can see the precise draw weight you are adjusting to. I like precision.
Adjusting Draw length is a bit trickier, you have to take down and loosen the cams
or whatever to do that. I'm taking the whole thing to the range and getting them to set it all up, without a doubt.
Anyway, this video was enormously helpful. I always was trained to use the clicker release, a kisser button to anchor
every single time, and a plunger button thing on the rest, along with a steel wire arrow drop off rest. But again,
this was recurve competition shooting. I never used a peep sight though I knew what one was, just never needed one,
given I used the old CheckIT target sight! Just adjust and shoot. Anyway, thanks and I'm looking forward to being
on the line again!
there's a lot of folks that would disagree. I shoot exactly the same anchors at a 29". been told I'm a 27", been told I'm 28", but both of those are uncomfortable. feels like I'm shooting in the fetal position. my bow arm isn't extended either, still got the string avoidance bend in it. Pretty sure I'm doing it right too since it's comfortable to me and my groups aren't open or loose, and are very repeatable. most of them folks look at my height. I ain't particularly tall. actually 5'8", but I've got gorilla arms. been a few folks that found out the hard way that when they hit me, I can reach out and touch them back. they at a double disadvantage, they got to swing low, and if they can hit me, I can hit them. thanks for the confirmation that I'm not shooting willy nilly.
That is a very insightful explanation.
Simple and concise TY
Great info once again. You are like the virtual buddy anyone should have in their team
Great info! I had a feeling my draw lengtg was too long. I'm new to the bow world and just let me say the shop i got mine set up at left a lot to be desired and i walked away fustrated as can be.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, as always. I’m a newbie to archery. I haven’t shot since I was a teen. 47yrs old now and have just shot a recurve a few times recently. I’ve purchased a Diamond Edge SB1, as that’s a perfect beginner bow, with literally no bow press adjustments required. I bought it online from a shop and have done the arrow rest alignment from videos. The question I have is...I have to install the peep sight and I’m not sure if that can be done, without having to loosen and separate the string? FYI: The peep sight string is already strung through the bow string via a fine peep sight string to a thicker one. I hope that doesn’t sound complicated. And I think I have the description correct. Namaste and thanks from Vancouver Island, BC. 🇨🇦🙏🏼
There are products made that can split the string without using a press, but as you can imagine they can put a hurting on a string under tension trying to pry them open with the tool. Licking for you though, if you want to go that route, your bow can be lowered to a VERY light poundage. That will allow a lot less stress on the string, and you could split it more easily. Then you can simply turn your poundage back up to your desired weight once the peep in is.
I'm trying to get my son into bow before moving into rifle (bolt action), currently he is 10, 11 by summer and my question is, should we go into a bow packaged for teens or something cheap and change as he grows? For instance, I believe he could pull 30+ lbs as well being tall for his age, as he grows, he'll be on the top chart for age and could work up poundage? No I don't own one myself nor shot one, but it's time for both of us to grow together ? Thanks for any input on this subject. Obviously accessories and high end attachments can wait until he earns it
Thank you so much! Best instructional video
Great video. I'm 6'4" and my wingspan is 82", and I have a 32.8inch draw length. Who sells a compound bow in my size? I appreciate the help.
Hoyt, Prime, PSE, and Bear. But you'll have to look for specific models and possibly from older model years.
Hi fellow tall person! I have a PSE catalog right in front of me- looks like a Supra Focus XL LD is 28"-33.5" which looks like their biggest option within this booklet. Never tried this one personally tho, but I like PSE a lot.
@@axnovs9726 heard good things about PSE, but I have seen anything that goes 33" DL starts wt $1k, way out my budget
@@GTX10 dang sorry to hear. Hope you find something!
@@axnovs9726 Found Bear Species LD (long draw) goes to 32. This may work
does the length of a release aid have an effect? should i aim to have the release only come out to the tip of my finger? for me personally, i feel like i loose strength on my draw when i use a wrist mounted release vs just drawing the same weight with my fingers. i haven't found any videos talking about how a release aid could make drawing a bow harder, is that something that actually happens, or am i only experiencing that because im new to archery?
YES! The differences in the lengths of release aid do make a difference in your draw length as you will either be drawing the bow further or less far depending on the type and size of the trigger you use. Having a release that has a longer length means that you will have to draw a little further to get the string to the stops and you may find that this is awkward and uncomfortable to do regularly. You may have to adjust your bow's draw stops a little to suit the kind of release you want to use.
You will know when its right as it will feel right and, more importantly, be repeatable!
I'm a beginner, and want to buy a bow and I found this so informative. I'm 6' 1" with a full 72 inche reach but relaxed I'm down to a 70 .5 and did your math and came to a 28 draw. What is a good bow to start off with because there is so many and it is overwhelming.
Thank you for your time and any further advice you can give.
ruclips.net/video/rNGSE6cJxug/видео.html A lot of this still rings true for 2022.
I developed terrible tennis elbow this year from overextending fir 27.5 inch dl. 27 feels better too
Please, any advice on compensating for the release loop? I would think that if it adds 3/4'', or so, one would shorten the draw length by that much?
32DorBust The short answer is you don't account for a dloop length. If your draw is 30" then you shoot 30" with a dloop as well. The dloop allows you to anchor with your hand away from right in front of your face and allows the use of a peep sight.
Thank you Sir, your videos are very informative I am a complete beginner with a bow and your video has catapulted me forward.
Bob P. Dziadaszek As always, I'm glad I could help!
I am 5'5" and my draw length is supposed to be 26". But I measured with a draw check bow, it's 27".
Not uncommon at all! The basic measurement guide is just that, a guide. You could like it longer or shorter depending on how a bow or shooting style suits you!
Damn hose fletches are nice
Good stuff. Replacing my PSE Triton that was almost 20 years old.
I was shooting that half long and it worked but you start loading up on layers of clothes now that extra half inch might be hitting on clothes
I'm so confused can't see through my peep sight it won't go any higher because serving on string is in the way don't no my correct draw length
When I was watching you showing the form issues with incorrect draw length I had a few thoughts... That bow has a relatively low draw weight, or you are a beast. ;)
i am 29 and a half inch draw length when i draw my bow the arrow point is right in front of my arrow rest the arrow length is around 31" AM I DOING RIGHT I SHOOT A 58" TAKE DOWN RECURVE BOW IN A DAY I SHOOT 30 3D TARGETS PLUS HALF HOUR PRACTICE TWICE A WEEK
Thank you
Nice one Bro.
I noticed you pressing the string a lot into your cheek. Doesn't this affect the strings path? I guess you tune for that and as long as you're consistent it shouldn't matter, right? I ask this because i purposely lowered my peep a bit so that i now touch the SIDE of my nose, which brings the string a bit off center of my face, which in turn keeps me from pressing it too far into my cheek. I do have to tilt my head a bit though, now. Thoughts and feelings please
Span - 15 divided by 2 works
this is a well done video sir. God bless.
Thank you! I have a lot of fun making videos for my channel and this was no exception. God bless you as well.
Thanks for your great video!
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching!
I would work on that draw,
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Unfortunately really hard when you're 6'4" and the ceiling was less than 8'.
very important info for a noob like me Thanks
Great video. I'm brand new and your videos are all easy to understand and informative. Thanks!
PSE 2016 "the Beast" has a 31" draw length.
Great information, after determining draw length how long should your arrows be?
I like 1" longer.
Thanks for the quick response, keep the videos coming.
W t H I'm 6'1" and I calculated it out ballpark 30.8 I mean come on most bows stop at 30. I'll have to try some bows though to make sure
Thanks
My draw length is 27", but my bow is fixed at 29". Is that a big deal?
Well I certainly wouldn't recommend it!!! A draw length that is too long can really have negative effects on your shooting form and become really uncomfortable over time.
Like your videos, subbed. Have gotten interested in bowing and bow hunting. So what are your thoughts on a PSE stinger x for a first bow?
Secondly, doesent the release system shorten the drawlenght? Could you do a more detailed video on arrows, arent they poundage and drawlenght dependent?
John Desolator Glad you enjoy the content! I have shot the original Stinger 3G and that was a really nice entry bow. I'm really a fan of single cam bows for those starting out. I would also recommend you watch Archerytalk's latest video in their 5 entry-level bow comparison. Really a great video from a very reliable resource, and the Stinger X is one of the bows they shoot!
To answer on your draw length question, yes, it can shorten it. However, with a release that's set to the proper length and form that's correctly set up, it shouldn't. A TON of people use a release that's way too long when they start out, and it's just bad form and uncomfortable to shoot! So just keep that in mind.
I have been wanting to talk about arrows for forever now, but I just haven't had the time to talk about arrow spine, weight, length, FOC, etc. For now, watch John Dudley and his nock-on series here on RUclips about arrow spine and the different kinds of arrows. Good guy with some good teaching skills! Hope this helps!
Ok thanks! I think I´l go with the stinger, there is a pretty good deal imo on it with accessories. Think it will do decent to get a hang on archery.
Go for it! PSE is a good company with their warranties and customer service. You should be very happy. :)
Well, Im a PSE guy now :D
Congrats! And welcome to the sport of archery!
would the new hoyt powermax be a good investment it would be my second bow I recently just purchased a 2013 Parker inferno as my first bow and I plan to get into archery and I want as a hoyt or a bowtech or something around there and around 500-700 dollar range that will last me quite a few years
Both Hoyt and Bowtech are reputable companies and the Powermax and predecessor of the Charger are great bows. I would also throw in Quest bows made by G5/Prime as top bows in that 500-700 range. Good luck making one of life's hardest decisions!
thank you!
Why is it that I am more accurate with an older bow ie: I Robinhood my arrows more often than not and with a newer bow I'm all over the target? Both bows are set at 28 inches draw length, or should I go to a pro shop and have them watch me shoot both bows?
There are a lot of different factors (half of them are internal) factors that go into how accurately we shoot a bow. So don't be alarmed! A pro shop is definitely best to help you out as a second (or third) pair of eyes can really be beneficial in determining what needs to be adjusted to get you into tip top shape.
Thanks for this video! One question: should the bow be at max draw when it reaches the corner of the mouth? Just tried archery at Gotham Archery. I was told to draw back to the corner of my lip, but I noticed that the bow provided could be drawn back further than this. Looking to buy my first bow and want to get the proper size
Draw length for a compound bow and anchor location are very user-specific. Guys anchor in a variety of different ways. The behind the ear method I show is a very solid spot to anchor because your can't contort the position of your ear. Haha! Draw to whatever length is comfortable and ensure that your bow arm (left arm for right handed shooter) is bent just slightly. If it's straight out you risk a lot of string contact and those bruises and welts will hurt like the Dickens.
Great video!!
Thanks, Cathy! God bless.
I measured my draw length it came out as 32 I have a Oneida black eagle the string can be pulled back to my check fully drawn with fingers so should I change the modules? For a shorter draw or is it ok?
I'd leave it alone!
Great videos man
I have no idea how 36 people disliked this. Awesome video thank you
My math comes out to 30.68 would you
Suggest I round down or up
I would give 30.5" a shot first and see how it feels!
Average Jack Archery thanks. I currently have a 30” I bought 2nd hand I can shoot it and I took an 8pt last season w it but I noticed it’s not very comfortable to shoot. 😂
This is an old video but I’ve got a question, if I cannot physically draw my bow across my chest like you do here, and I have to kind of push/pull starting high then coming down, is my draw weight too high? It’s only 60lbs but it’s an older Barnett dual cam bow, my buddies single cam PSE at 70lbs I can draw no problem.
Old video but I still see your comment! :) Push/pull is definitely a fine way to draw your bow if that's what's comfortable. But if you find yourself having to go high and low and really fighting for each draw of the bow, then yes I'd say the weight might be too high with that bow for you. Like you said, some bows are easier and smoother than others, and that might be the case with your Barnett. Hope this helps!
Average Jack Archery - thanks for your help bud, I lied it’s actually an old Darton Fury lol like a 2003 😆 man I didn’t know this thing was that old. This old beast slings em but I think it’s time to upgrade! I’m on a budget so I’m thinking PSE Stinger X
Where you at in PA? I'm moving to Hershey area and looking for good places to archery hunt
DocB I'm in Centre and Clearfield counties. Good luck in the Harrisburg area!
Awesome. My in-laws live there near University Park. Been small game hunting several times near Rothrock State Forest, Bald Eagle State Forest, Toftrees gamelands and Shiloh gamelands near State College & Bellefonte areas, but never had a chance to hunt any PA big game in those regions.
Looking forward to scouting and getting familiar with the gamelands in Capital area, Lancaster, Dauphin, and Lebanon areas.
God Bless you and your family brother!
Does your nose have to touch? My head leans forward when trying to touch with my nose. Is that normal or should I increase the draw length? I'm a beginner and had my draw length set up at a local archery store. The guy seemed to know what he was doing so not sure if I should adjust the length or not.
Lori Perez Find an anchor that works for you! A lot of people use their nose as an anchor point but it doesn't mean you have to!
Thank you! I'll try that out :)
Lol I'm a girl my draw is 29.2 I'm 6'2 though so I guess it's pretty accurate
Never shot a bow, was looking to figure out my draw length, so Thank you fo ryour comment, I'm also 6'2 =D So 29 it is.
@@HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy not always the case! get yourself properly measured to be sure and avoid making an expensive mistake by buying arrows that may be too short as a result! if you find the arrows are too long, you can always shorten them but you cant make them longer again!
I recently changed the draw weight on my bow and now feel like the draw length has changed, is this possible or is it more likely that I'm just not used to the feel of it with the higher draw weight and that's why it seems different?
Nope! That totally happens. Although the change is usually very small and for the vast majority of archers, it's impossible to detect. Lightening poundage will increase length, and increasing poundage will decrease length. Most likely though it feels odd because now your peak weight and letoff/holding weight are different and that'll definitely make the bow feel different in its draw. Hope this helps!
@@averagejackarchery Very helpful, thanks a bunch!
I wish I had a good Archery guy to help me I went to a big time archery dealer for my new bear bow and I swear I'm not shooting correct length . I feel like I'm reaching and he has me on a wrist release and I need a thumb release and he wo up ld not mount a kiss button overall not to impressed with this popular store.
But overall I'm stuck with a non-tune bow and I don't even feel comfortable taking it out , he tightened the sight screw so tight I can't adjust it I feel truly robbed
I bought a used Bear The Truth bow. The manufacturer says 29 inch draw, whoever had it before me evidently had a longer draw than me, mine is 28 1/2. The release point lands at the front of my ear. Can I twist my string to shorten the draw length? If so how would I go about doing that, I don't have a bow press.Any help would be appreciated.
GARY BUSBY I was under the impression that The Truth (like nearly all Bear bows) was draw length adjustable via a rotating module that you can adjust without a press. If that's the case you just need a set of Allen keys to move it.
can you guide me to the module, and how to adjust it, I am brand new to compound bows.
GARY BUSBY This isn't the same cam as the Truth, but the premise is the same. Good luck!
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Thanks Jack, my cam was totally different so I called Bear, you have to change the module instead of adjusting it,they don,t make the cam any more but they do have the module so I ordred one. Next week I should be up and running. Thanks so much for your help. Love your videos, most informative.
Another very helpful video! Thank you and God bless
Hi, as I'm relatively new to archery and have only so far bought off the shelf arrows I was wondering if I could shorten them myself. The arrows are 30" but my draw is 27 1/4" so I'd prefer to have 28" arrows. Can I simply cut 2" off the arrow, remove the insert and tip and re-fit? The arrows are 500 spine which at at 28"/50-55lbs draw weight would suit my bow better than at the full 30" if I've read the chart properly.
Thanks for sharing and God Bless.
R Mac You most certainly can do that. I would remove the insert first however, then cut the shaft to length. My guess is they'll be in with some sort super glue or fast set glue. The best way to remove them is to remove the nock from the other end, and put a drill bit or other decently heavy piece of slim metal in that end Then flick your wrist and slam the bit into the back of the insert when it runs through the shaft. Tim Gillingham did a video on this for Gold Tip a few years back. You can most likely find it if you do a RUclips or Google search. Good luck!
Thanks for the reply, maybe this is a stupid question but how do I remove the nocks? they don't have an insert so I'm guessing they're just a friction fit and should pull out?
Thanks, Richard
R Mac Yes. Held in strictly by friction. Should twist and pull out no problem.
Hi thanks, yeah I discovered that last night, spent all day today making an arrow cutting jig for my dremel, finally got all 10 arrows cut (27 1/2") and the inserts and tips fitted.
Unfortunately by the time I'd finished it was too dark to try them.
Thanks Again.
Great video again, I hope my questions don't get too tiresome :)
As I'm getting back into recurve shooting, could I take the wing span method to get close to my draw length and then, with some help, draw my bow to my shooting position and have someone measure it from string to rest and work out how I have my arrows from there? The times I had arrows measured out before were at a shop many years ago and I can't remember how they did it. I'm unable to make it along to one( as they're very far from where I live) so I'm opting to go online, ordering the same make as my last ones but with the right length. Hope for some great advice again :)
SE FullmetalJake If you have someone to help you measure, what you said is definitely a great option. But something to keep in mind is that recurves are fickle beasts. They really like the arrows they shoot the best to be tuned the best. And you never know what those best tuned arrows are until you start playing around with arrow weights, lengths, and spines. Good luck!
Average Jack Archery Great to know! I'll begin my journey soon then. Thanks again, you've helped me out a lot :)
Jack, I'm a newbie to archery. I'm strongly leaning toward a handheld release aid as opposed to a wrist strap. Any thoughts either way for a beginner?
I'm interested to hear your view on how to draw a compound bow... Drawing across the chest or elbow up horizontal..?
Joseph D For me, I create the least amount of excess movement going across my chest. I've seen folks with a high or parallel elbow not be able to, or really struggle to get their bow back in the heat of a hunting moment. I've never had such an issue going across my chest so I stick with it. When I shot competitively with a lighter poundage bow I did have a different draw cycle to my shot, but extraneous lateral or vertical movement isn't an issue as the paper target won't spook and run away! Thanks for the question! God bless.
To bad you you don't own a bow shop in western Ohio. I'd be a customer
jack you could pull the bow back better
Excellent video!
Why do you draw across your chest like that? Why don’t you draw with your elbow up? I have seen videos made by professionals like Chris Bee who says you should never draw your bow like that. Drawing your bow should be on fluid movement draw into your anchor. Also better for your shoulder from what I have read. Is there a reason why you learned to draw your bow like that?
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Part of the issue with that video was I didn't think through my filming space and that ceiling was about 7'6" and I'm already 6'4". LOL! So I couldn't truly execute a clean draw at the time.
@@averagejackarchery that totally makes sense. At 5’9” those are problems I’m not accustomed to lol.
Thanks for the great Vids!!
+Shaun Shenanigans My pleasure! God bless.
God Bess you also!
Great vid! Good info!!
steel lines ? sliverhawh xi ?
so young!!!
I KNOW
i gotta ask you a question hopefully you can answer im 6'1 and my wing span is 77" witch comes out to 30.8 inches would it be better for me to shorten it to 30.5 or 30 or keep in at 31, im at 31" but for some reason it still feels short
Without being able to see your form and how you shoot I don't want to give you any "all out" advice and ruin your experience. But I will say a few things I've always encountered in my times helping folks (and myself) find draw weight and length.
1. 99% of people are either at or below their number. Meaning that I'm at 30.4", but shoot 30". So I doubt that you are a true 31"+ draw length.
2. If possible, shoot at all possible draw lengths with your bow (I'd go 30-31" for you) and see if you particularly group best at one draw length.
3. For us archery hunters, in particular in the North where cold weather is imminent, a shorter draw length causes that nice elbow flex which helps get a big puffy winter coat out of the way during the shot.
4. Make sure your form is really up to snuff and standing straight up. A form that's really leaning back can give the illusion of a longer draw length.
Hope this helps! God bless.
+An Average Jack okay perfect thankyou i will try a bit lower around 30 hopfully 30 feels better cause its hard finding bows above 30. but now that i think of it, i do hit my arm every once in a while idk if its cause my dl is to long or just shooters error every once in a while
A draw length that's too long is the most likely culprit of the arm slap! I made myself gun shy and actually shot 29.5" for a while after I was fooling around shooting and royally caught my arm with a 70lb bow a few years back. Stick to good form and your proper draw length will show in both shooter comfort and accuracy down range.
+An Average Jack okay and thanks again for the help, much appreciated
You haven't seen my girlfriend her draw length is 12" LoL 🤣
I’m 26 wtf! That’s why I shoot a crossbow.
what about a lady with a 32.5 inch draw length!!!
Wow. She must be an Amazon.
@@russelllangworthy8855 Well I'm that lady and I'm 6ft 4 and shoot recurve holding 45LB on the fingers on 34lb limbs. 2 give you an idea of how long my arms are I have a friend who I do kickboxing sparring sessions with and my arms reach is longer than his leg reach by about 1 inch.
@@LenorHPV18 I apologize if I offended you.
@@russelllangworthy8855 no you are fine, most people don't believe or realise how I am.
@@LenorHPV18 You must have had a difficult time growing up being what some people would consider "outside the the norm". Children can be very cruel. Trust me, I lnow.
you should not be drawing to your chest buddy, thats a sign of too much weight.
I think you came here for his information… not the other way around. Maybe you should start a youtube channel ;-]
Jason Moore just trying to help you bad, drawing across your chest is terrible for your shoulder/rotator cuff but you're the expert, my bad lol
you should be drawing the bow only with your rear delt, straight across your body from your other arm. This guy's form is not perfect, far from it. It might work for him, but that's not what everyone should do.
Devil actually you should use your lat and scapula.
@@rodrekus I damaged my rotator cuff back in the late '80s and had to start drawing my bow across my chest, elbow down, incorporating more bicep. Up until about 5 yrs ago I was still shooting 82 lbs (I'm 60 yrs old now), but now only shoot 70 lbs. I've never experienced any additional problems with my rotator cuff or shoulder drawing like this.