i don't know if anyone has mentioned it but fiyero does make a comment about elphie's skin color! he says something about her 'blending in with the foliage' but he never brings it up again after that
The way he delivered it I thought the implication was that he was going to say that anyway before he saw her properly and then sort of regretted it when he saw her skin colour lol
My biggest qualm with the movie is that they cut the fact that everyone’s wearing the green glasses in the emerald city so they don’t notice Elphie. There’s a moment in the stage show before Wizomania where Elphie stops to take it in and says, “I want to remember this moment. Always. Nobody’s staring. Nobody’s pointing. For the first time, I’m somewhere… where I belong.” That’s what makes it make sense that Elphie feels so comfortable in Oz. And as someone who relates to Elphie bc of her physical differences, I wish they had kept that in.
35:27 Ethan Slater (Boq) mentioned in a recent interview that the line "lemons, apples, and pears--oh my!" was in the film script and even filmed but didn't make the final cut. I hope we get some deleted or extended scenes.
37:14 One of the things Ariana said that about was, "The Wizard will see you now." That line was replaced in the first film script she read with, "Who rung that bell?" She immediately texted Jon to call her because she felt so strongly, and then contacted Cynthia and they both talked with Jon about getting the line back in.
@15:58 ! THANK! YOU! I have been saying this since I saw the movie, and you're the first person to bring it up.They split Morrible's role up BECAUSE Yeoh's Morrible is way more stern and has a different sort of charisma than the stage version did. Personally i LOVE the change. I always felt like it was weird for Morrible to just leave Shiz with the girls, whereas in the Movie it 100% makes sense.
The changes to Madame Morrible’s character and writing are setting up more malicious implications regarding her part in the Wizard’s agenda. She is essentially tenured in a prestigious position at a learning institution in which she can single-handedly control the access to the knowledge and harnessing of magical power in Oz. And what does she do? She doesn’t teach - she gatekeeps that knowledge. She is a looming shadow in the campus reporting back to the Wizard of her observations. She’s a spy and has probably been for a while. I feel the omission of her promotion as Press Secretary is hinting that she had already been in an established working relationship with the Wizard, perhaps his second-in-command. And the increased importance placed on the Grimmerie in the movie, particularly that only one is prophesied to be fluent in its lost language, could potentially hint that the Wizard executed the same deception scheme on Morrible to prove her worth to him. She must have caught on but was swayed into silence and compliance through nepotism and bribery. This could explain why Morrible is so adamant about Elphaba having the potential of being his “Magic Grand Vizier,” a real position of power that feeds on Elphaba’s desire to be respected while holding off her suspicions that the Wizard is powerless until she herself became complicit within his system.
Okay, that's brilliant. I'm certain that the way in which Morrible "proved herself" was by creating the Great Drought (weather is her specialty!) and so, she's been the Wizard's partner in crime for a minute. But I hadn't considered that she may have been initially deceived into it, as Elphaba was with the winged monkeys. And I hadn't thought about the way her "I don't teach every semester" sinecure is a method of gatekeeping talented youth! That makes so much sense out of something that seems ridiculous on its face, with her administrative duties reassigned to the new Mistress Coddle character.
I think a VERY important change is that instead of the nurse saying "it's atrocious" she says "It's uncanny" making her father the first and only person in the room refusing to accept Elphaba's skin, rather than just be surprised by it. It's an important distinction. It tells the audience maybe people would be okay with her skin color, but if one loud person in the room isn't, it can overrule everyone else. It felt...timely.
Regarding "what does Mme. Morrible do when she's not teaching sorcery?" I've heard several reviewers bring this up. In the US at least where I went to school, we had college professors who would teach "specialty" classes usually based on their PhD, but that's not all they did. There might be a biology professor with a specialty in marine biology. They'll teach a full slate of general studies and adjacent classes such as basic college biology and even English Composition (they're all qualified teachers) and fewer specified Marine Biology courses so they can work full time. But for a specialty class "underwater basket weaving" there might not be enough students interested in that class to fully fill it if it were offered every semester or every year, so the Marine Biology professor teaches their normal classes year round, and then may only be scheduled to teach their unique specialty class in Underwater Basket Weaving once a year or every other year (with the assumption that the students are there for a couple years at least so they won't miss it when it is offered and fill the class.) This basically jibes - Dillamond says "true sorcerers are rare" so Morrible doesn't need to teach Sorcery as an open-enrollment class unless they discover one or more students with talent who can take advantage of it. It'd be like a school not bothering to sponsor a track and field team until they get enough students who are interested and are capable of competing in track events.
I also think that there's something to be said about how the university places her on such a pedestal, as shown when she's introduced in the movie. It boosts how prestigious the university is because they have THE Mme. Morrible on staff. So even if she isn't teaching much, it's worth keeping her around. Plays into the theme of how you're perceived is more important than the actual work you may or may not be doing.
@@user-ft3pj1nr6c And i was also assuming she would teach the history and theories of sorcery maybe? And not actually teaching magic which is a seminar
I’m about to graduate college and still don’t know how professors work, but I just got the vibe that a renowned professor still being employed but on standby until a student is qualified to take their class would just get to chill because they’re probably doing important research that the University loves or something. But this explanation makes sense.
I had a professor who i adored who only taught for for 10 weeks a year. And it was a single upper division physics class on general relativity where he also didn’t grade us for how correct we were, but just… if we gave it a really good genuine try. The rest of the year he did not teach a single class however. And this was a well-respected tenured professor with multiple accolades under his belt, someone who genuinely was good at what he did, had multiple grad students, led a lab, all of it… but he also only had to teach 10 weeks a year to 30 students who really wanted to be in his class w/ an easy grading scheme. And he was 100% getting away with it on the fact that he was a well respected physicist.
Bravo on noticing all the changes between the stage show and the movie!!! I definitely enjoyed the changes made to the movie because it gave more depth to the characters, especially Fiyero. I love that he definitely seems more thoughtful and just chooses to have a superficial persona and Elphaba notices almost immediately. I also love Michelle Yeoh’s more serious take on Madame Morrible as more of a mentor because it makes it all the more heartbreaking and sinister when she turns on Elphaba . I’m so excited to see where part two goes!
As a blind person I love that Nessarose has more agency and that the changed intro between Galinda and Elphaba makes the latter even more of a disability icon. I was surprised but happy with the changes to Fiyero because we are actually seeing the pretense that she speaks of in the show. We know what she's talking about in the film because this is an act he can play incredibly well and for some reason is choosing to hide the fact that he has more depth so she does change him but it's not as dramatic a change and depending on how part two goes this could have much greater resonance than what we have to go on from the musical. It's also a bit more fitting with the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz film who constantly claims that he doesn't have a brain and isn't smart but is always the person to get Dorothy and Co out of trouble with some quick thinking.
I really love the Fiyero change. It feels so much better that he becomes an ally she didn't realize she had, rather than a smarmy doofus who got to use her as a stepping stone in his own character arc. It uplifts both characters, and makes for such a sweet moment. He becomes an excellent contrast to Galinda as well.
I've seen the film twice and think the next watch will be once it's available for streaming. So I really love these wicked Wednesdays! Still get to be reminded of the masterpiece ❤️ Great video. Thank you! (loved the monkeys 😁
In the scene where Elphaba magics Nessa into the air one the side effects was that a portion of the wall is knocked off and you can see a mural portraying Animals underneath.
37:07 ariana confirmed on a podcast that the line was “the wizard will see you now,” which is nuts to try and change!!! some people have then drawn the connection to the video of her and cynthia rehearsing one short day, when ariana reaches over and marks cynthia’s score - it’s likely that she crosses out the once-changed, now-restored line
One difference I noticed is at the train station as Elphie is about to leave, Boq doesn't have his moment of snapping at Glinda and storming off and Nessa thereafter snapping at Elphie when she tries to comfort her. Instead, in the movie, after Nessa introduced Boq to her dad, she becomes visibly upset and rolls away when she sees how enamored Boq is with Glinda's proclaimed name change.
I wonder if they're going for Nessa developing a resentment for Glinda and in part 2 its Glinda that enchants the shoes like in the book and since Boq thinks he can leave now thanks to Glinda, that prompts Nessa to attempt the love spell that goes wrong
It's possible that Madam Morrible's position at the university could be a primarily research-based one; she mentions later having spent decades studying the Grimmorie which is the sort of high-profile thing a place like Shiz would be happy to fund, even if she usually doesn't take on students
When you talked about the train and the impression that travelling around Oz isn't easy, it reminded me of a video on the Architechtural Digest channel where the production designer Nathan Crowley talks through some of the sets - it's absolutely fascinating! So much thought and detail goes into it. He mentioned transport in their decision to have the students arrive by boat.
I think the stage version Fiyero asks where is the most swankified place in town. Glinda says oz dust ballroom. But in the film its Fiyero that suggests it?
That line is my favorite Fiyero line, just cuz swankified is a fun word. I was sad it wasn't in the movie, though, I get why he had to suggest the oz dust. otherwise it wouldn't make sense in the movie for him to be kicked out of schools and be responsible for the corruption of his fellow students.
I'm not sure whether they do this in the stage musical or if something they added for the movie - either way, it certainly isn't in the original Broadway cast recording. In Dancing Through Life, after Nessa sings "and you felt sorry for me, well, isn't that right?" Ethan Slater as Boq says "oh no no, I don't feel sorry for you, you're great!" I'd like to imagine that was added at the behest of Marissa Bode, like as affirmation that disabled people don't need to be pitied
I think you're misinterpreting Stage Fiyero a bit. I don't believe he's actually vapid; just nobody's challenged him, particularly intellectually. We know there's more to him than meets the eye because Elphaba already picked up on it and fell in love with him. The difference between the stage and the movie isn't that he was actually brainless, it's that in the movie he doesn't pretend quite as hard.
I can't remember exactly how it plays on stage so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought another Fiyero difference is during I'm Not That Girl where (in the film) he arrives back to Shiz after Elphaba and is obviously looking for her while she sings from a corner. On stage I feel it's more he flees from the release of the lion cub back to the "safety" of Galinda and throws himself into their relationship to avoid the confusing thoughts his moment with Elphaba has thrown up.
There's definitely still a moment with Glinda on the bridge where he's looking for Elphaba - and though we see him go back to her, Glinda expresses in the next scene that he's been distant.
@MickeyJoTheatre Thank you, I thought there was something I'd forgotten. Yes, next scene he's been "thinking" but I'm in a muddle at the moment over the timeline. If day1 is when he first meets Elphaba, day2 is his arrival at shiz and "dancing through life", is dillamonds last class day3, seeing as Fiyero points out Elphaba has been "Galindafied"? Then what is the time gap between I'm Not That Girl and One Short Day? Galinda saying Fiyero has been different after Dillamond's sacking sounds odd if she only knew him for one day before.
37:10 i saw an interview where ariana stated that the thing that almost made her quit was that they had replaced the line "the wizard will see you now!" with "who rang that bell???" she called the director and had him change it back. It would had been a nod to the 1939 movie, but ariana said it was an iconic line that could not be replaced. So I think that's the line she's referencing
My biggest question with this movie is the gremory is said to only have one person to be able to read the book and it was alphabet in the movie so in the second half is Nessa going to turn back into the tin Man because how would she if she doesn't have power?
One of the changes that is kind of giving me anxiety is that I don't think we heard "the Wizard's unexpected departure." Am I misremembering? Do we have confirmation that the Wizard is gone?? Or does Glinda still need to go and kick him out???
she did say it right before "if there are no further questions i'm gonna go". she does kinda just mumble it to herself which is probably why you missed it!
She does say it! "as you can imagine I have much to attend to, what with the wizard's unexpected departure" - it's said quite quickly as she's already preparing herself to leave though!
@16:30 I'm preeeeeetty sure Morrible is announced as the Press Secretary in the movie, I remember that being said around when she says that line about the green skin being but an outward manifestorium??
No she never holds that position in the movie, or at least in Part 1. She just walks into the Wizard’s summoning room saying she didn’t want to miss Elphaba’s big moment, and when she warns the citizens on radio she never introduces herself. It’s hinted she’d already been working closely with the Wizard so she doesn’t need to be promoted to anything
Bear who raise Elphaba is actually based on the nanny character from the book But she was human who helped raise Elphaba with Both of Elphaba’s parents and Ozdust Ballroom is partially based on Actually, the infamous philosopher club which is a sex club that have the infamous scene in it but in the musical and Movie they cut that out for obvious reasons And Ozdust (souls of the people of oz) in the book
I read the book of Wicked and it was dark. I saw the wicked the musical in Seattle, at paramount theater. The musical is really good and I enjoyed with it. I saw part one of Wicked and it was really good. Ended the movie, it was epic. I can’t wait for part two.
I did see an interview where Ariana said she specifically recalled there being no "the wizard will see you now!" line and it being replaced with something like "ring the doorbell" or the doorbell ringing (I can't remember), and she called Jon M. Chu and was like "this line absolutely has to be in the movie!"
the thing that bothers me the most is the change of Something Bad. He needed to repeat the line one more time, where he mispronounces "bad", and then Elphaba sings, "It couldn't happen here, in Oz". that feels way too important to cut.
I figured they cut Elphaba's last line because in the movie context, she's seen enough that saying it couldn't happen in Oz wouldn't fit as well as a reaction.
Morrible being a professor in the university system and "hidden away" is very reminiscent of Angela Davis and her almost "leftover" status after the black panther movement.
I don’t think the later Fiyero dialogue doesn’t work, just that it paints a completely different picture of him as a character. But I’m biased as a blind movie watcher. It came across to me that being uncaring and vapid is his front, that he doesn’t want to care about things and has this sort of nihilistic hedonistic view because he wants to, not because it’s his natural state to be thoughtless and vapid. He espouses to not care because he doesn’t want to. If I’m psychoanalyzing him, he came across to me as someone who’s been burned before in the past for caring too much, and took on carelessness as a policy because he came to the conclusion that it was the smartest way to live. Glinda and him match up because his front matches with her (and her front? I’m not smart enough to analyze Glinda). She believes in his front that he doesn’t care and doesn’t like to think because he outwardly states it, so is shocked when he starts outwardly being introspective. Elphaba I don’t think cares about believing anything because either way he’s espousing apathy and being annoying, so she doesn’t care if it’s a front or not, she still thinks of him as a guy who doesn’t like to think critically, and may even be even more annoyed if she knows it’s just his personal choice. Either way, it’s still Fiyero portraying himself as one way and then acting different from how he usually does. Just my personal interpretation of him as a movie watcher, nothing came across as odd to me.
it’s because the nanny sings that line and she actually likes elphaba and raises her so she wouldn’t call her ‘atrocious’ but it’s still a strange green baby. also i guess ‘how can it be’ and ‘uncanny’ sorta rhyme?
Will you go and watch the new non-replica production that's premiering in Madrid next October? It's the first time the musical is going to be done in the country and the tickets are already for sale, which is very unusual for a Spanish production.
I… really hated the grammar corrections in the film! Considering all these weird Ozisms, you’d imagine the grammar would be weird in Oz too! Just made me rather not like Elphaba in those moments 🤷♀️
I absolutely missed the line from the stage play, “You’re positively phosphorescent!” I also missed the iconic green glasses from the stage play. Those glasses felt like looking at things the same way. Everything.very symbolic! I thought Defying gravity missed the mark of building up the tentative bravery of Elphaba. The stage play did that perfectly. The defying gravity in the movie was on a long time before the iconic… ahhhhhhhahahahhhhhhha.
I may be in the minority but I didn’t like the Kristen and Idina cameo. It went on too long and felt gratuitous. We love them but the movie stopped dead to give them a moment and it could have been better incorporated.
I don't like how the film has Elphaba calling out to Dr Dillamond when she starts following him: "Dr Dillamond, did you find out who wrote..." or words to that effect. It seems like an inappropriate thing to shout out/draw attention to in front of other students, and even if he had discovered the culprit, is he going to want to reveal this fact publicly? The scriptwriter should've come up with a less improbable line... As for Madame Morrible, as much as I love Michelle Yeoh (did someone correct your previous mispronunciation, MickeyJo?) ;) I think she's miscast - she's too regal an actress for this role that, as you point out, has a more maternal and endearing (initial) characterisation on the stage - perhaps that's why they created the Coddle character and reworked the role, to accommodate Yeoh's naturally imperious manner?
As someone who is physically disabled Do we not have a problem with wicked and casting a wheelchair user as there are two different types of wheelchair users and without wanting to go into spoilers you would need one particular type of wheelchair user and then you’ve would have to be able to cast one particular type wheelchair user for the role. Although there’s not enough of us mobility challenged performers around when it comes to wheelchair users are there enough of the particular type of wheelchair user required available for these productions? Wouldn’t you need cover performance as well?
This is what I've always wondered regarding this conversation. Surely the things required of the Nessarose performer in the second act would require someone who can do a certain amount of standing and walking? And they would need to reliably do that 8 shows a week, taking into account the fact that mobility and flare ups etc. are not always predictable. I'm not saying there's no one who could do that - ambulatory wheelchair users absolutely exist - but it seems a very tall order to consistently find someone who would check all those boxes *and* perform the part well.
I've heard Cynthia talk about her lack of anger as Elphaba on the Sentimental Men podcast and it made *perfect* sense to me! I also don't think she's any more feminine in the film than the stage musical?
@@MickeyJoTheatre As much as I adore Cynthia and have been blessed to see her perform in person this year, I don’t care for her somber, humourless take because I wonder how she’s going to dip into the humour when Elphaba confronts Dorothy. No one is going to want to see Dorothy bullied without humour. I do miss the fire of stage Elphaba. One of my few complaints.
E: "No, I did not eat grass as a child."
F: "I did."
it killed me
That was the line that got me on board with the slightly different Fiyero in the movie. He had me at "I did!" 😂
i don't know if anyone has mentioned it but fiyero does make a comment about elphie's skin color! he says something about her 'blending in with the foliage' but he never brings it up again after that
I was about to comment this.
The way he delivered it I thought the implication was that he was going to say that anyway before he saw her properly and then sort of regretted it when he saw her skin colour lol
My biggest qualm with the movie is that they cut the fact that everyone’s wearing the green glasses in the emerald city so they don’t notice Elphie. There’s a moment in the stage show before Wizomania where Elphie stops to take it in and says, “I want to remember this moment. Always. Nobody’s staring. Nobody’s pointing. For the first time, I’m somewhere… where I belong.” That’s what makes it make sense that Elphie feels so comfortable in Oz. And as someone who relates to Elphie bc of her physical differences, I wish they had kept that in.
YES
THIS!
35:27 Ethan Slater (Boq) mentioned in a recent interview that the line "lemons, apples, and pears--oh my!" was in the film script and even filmed but didn't make the final cut. I hope we get some deleted or extended scenes.
37:14 One of the things Ariana said that about was, "The Wizard will see you now." That line was replaced in the first film script she read with, "Who rung that bell?"
She immediately texted Jon to call her because she felt so strongly, and then contacted Cynthia and they both talked with Jon about getting the line back in.
Interesting. "Who rung that bell" would also have worked and been a reference to the MGM move... but I don't think it would have fit in the song.
Another excellent video from the WICKEDLY talented Marty John
This took me a minute 🤣
@15:58 ! THANK! YOU! I have been saying this since I saw the movie, and you're the first person to bring it up.They split Morrible's role up BECAUSE Yeoh's Morrible is way more stern and has a different sort of charisma than the stage version did.
Personally i LOVE the change. I always felt like it was weird for Morrible to just leave Shiz with the girls, whereas in the Movie it 100% makes sense.
The changes to Madame Morrible’s character and writing are setting up more malicious implications regarding her part in the Wizard’s agenda. She is essentially tenured in a prestigious position at a learning institution in which she can single-handedly control the access to the knowledge and harnessing of magical power in Oz. And what does she do? She doesn’t teach - she gatekeeps that knowledge. She is a looming shadow in the campus reporting back to the Wizard of her observations. She’s a spy and has probably been for a while. I feel the omission of her promotion as Press Secretary is hinting that she had already been in an established working relationship with the Wizard, perhaps his second-in-command. And the increased importance placed on the Grimmerie in the movie, particularly that only one is prophesied to be fluent in its lost language, could potentially hint that the Wizard executed the same deception scheme on Morrible to prove her worth to him. She must have caught on but was swayed into silence and compliance through nepotism and bribery. This could explain why Morrible is so adamant about Elphaba having the potential of being his “Magic Grand Vizier,” a real position of power that feeds on Elphaba’s desire to be respected while holding off her suspicions that the Wizard is powerless until she herself became complicit within his system.
Okay, that's brilliant. I'm certain that the way in which Morrible "proved herself" was by creating the Great Drought (weather is her specialty!) and so, she's been the Wizard's partner in crime for a minute. But I hadn't considered that she may have been initially deceived into it, as Elphaba was with the winged monkeys. And I hadn't thought about the way her "I don't teach every semester" sinecure is a method of gatekeeping talented youth! That makes so much sense out of something that seems ridiculous on its face, with her administrative duties reassigned to the new Mistress Coddle character.
I think a VERY important change is that instead of the nurse saying "it's atrocious" she says "It's uncanny" making her father the first and only person in the room refusing to accept Elphaba's skin, rather than just be surprised by it. It's an important distinction. It tells the audience maybe people would be okay with her skin color, but if one loud person in the room isn't, it can overrule everyone else. It felt...timely.
Regarding "what does Mme. Morrible do when she's not teaching sorcery?" I've heard several reviewers bring this up. In the US at least where I went to school, we had college professors who would teach "specialty" classes usually based on their PhD, but that's not all they did. There might be a biology professor with a specialty in marine biology. They'll teach a full slate of general studies and adjacent classes such as basic college biology and even English Composition (they're all qualified teachers) and fewer specified Marine Biology courses so they can work full time. But for a specialty class "underwater basket weaving" there might not be enough students interested in that class to fully fill it if it were offered every semester or every year, so the Marine Biology professor teaches their normal classes year round, and then may only be scheduled to teach their unique specialty class in Underwater Basket Weaving once a year or every other year (with the assumption that the students are there for a couple years at least so they won't miss it when it is offered and fill the class.)
This basically jibes - Dillamond says "true sorcerers are rare" so Morrible doesn't need to teach Sorcery as an open-enrollment class unless they discover one or more students with talent who can take advantage of it. It'd be like a school not bothering to sponsor a track and field team until they get enough students who are interested and are capable of competing in track events.
I also think that there's something to be said about how the university places her on such a pedestal, as shown when she's introduced in the movie. It boosts how prestigious the university is because they have THE Mme. Morrible on staff. So even if she isn't teaching much, it's worth keeping her around. Plays into the theme of how you're perceived is more important than the actual work you may or may not be doing.
I think it makes sense to believe that she was doing research when she wasn’t teaching.
@@user-ft3pj1nr6c And i was also assuming she would teach the history and theories of sorcery maybe? And not actually teaching magic which is a seminar
I’m about to graduate college and still don’t know how professors work, but I just got the vibe that a renowned professor still being employed but on standby until a student is qualified to take their class would just get to chill because they’re probably doing important research that the University loves or something.
But this explanation makes sense.
I had a professor who i adored who only taught for for 10 weeks a year. And it was a single upper division physics class on general relativity where he also didn’t grade us for how correct we were, but just… if we gave it a really good genuine try. The rest of the year he did not teach a single class however. And this was a well-respected tenured professor with multiple accolades under his belt, someone who genuinely was good at what he did, had multiple grad students, led a lab, all of it… but he also only had to teach 10 weeks a year to 30 students who really wanted to be in his class w/ an easy grading scheme. And he was 100% getting away with it on the fact that he was a well respected physicist.
Bravo on noticing all the changes between the stage show and the movie!!! I definitely enjoyed the changes made to the movie because it gave more depth to the characters, especially Fiyero. I love that he definitely seems more thoughtful and just chooses to have a superficial persona and Elphaba notices almost immediately. I also love Michelle Yeoh’s more serious take on Madame Morrible as more of a mentor because it makes it all the more heartbreaking and sinister when she turns on Elphaba . I’m so excited to see where part two goes!
As a blind person I love that Nessarose has more agency and that the changed intro between Galinda and Elphaba makes the latter even more of a disability icon. I was surprised but happy with the changes to Fiyero because we are actually seeing the pretense that she speaks of in the show. We know what she's talking about in the film because this is an act he can play incredibly well and for some reason is choosing to hide the fact that he has more depth so she does change him but it's not as dramatic a change and depending on how part two goes this could have much greater resonance than what we have to go on from the musical. It's also a bit more fitting with the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz film who constantly claims that he doesn't have a brain and isn't smart but is always the person to get Dorothy and Co out of trouble with some quick thinking.
I really love the Fiyero change. It feels so much better that he becomes an ally she didn't realize she had, rather than a smarmy doofus who got to use her as a stepping stone in his own character arc. It uplifts both characters, and makes for such a sweet moment. He becomes an excellent contrast to Galinda as well.
i’ll always be bitter that “no need to respond, that was rhetorical” was cut :((
The fact that line is actually in one of the trailers confuses me. Why did they cut it?
And I missed innuendo....outuendo
Glinda's mum was played by Alice Fearn!! She played Elphaba when I saw it in the West End
This may be odd feedback, but I really enjoy the audio quality of your videos! It’s practically perfect!
Must admit - never saw the stage play but the movie knocked my jeggings off.
Stephen wants to refresh the musical, I get the sense.
34:43 I adore this moment because it _is_ funny, but it can also be interpreted as Glinda buying time to compose herself and don her mask again.
I've seen the film twice and think the next watch will be once it's available for streaming. So I really love these wicked Wednesdays! Still get to be reminded of the masterpiece ❤️ Great video. Thank you! (loved the monkeys 😁
In the scene where Elphaba magics Nessa into the air one the side effects was that a portion of the wall is knocked off and you can see a mural portraying Animals underneath.
37:07 ariana confirmed on a podcast that the line was “the wizard will see you now,” which is nuts to try and change!!! some people have then drawn the connection to the video of her and cynthia rehearsing one short day, when ariana reaches over and marks cynthia’s score - it’s likely that she crosses out the once-changed, now-restored line
I was today years old when I realized the Chistery plush is inaccurate: where is his heterochromia???
I MENTIONED THIS TODAY while filming a different video! 😂
One difference I noticed is at the train station as Elphie is about to leave, Boq doesn't have his moment of snapping at Glinda and storming off and Nessa thereafter snapping at Elphie when she tries to comfort her. Instead, in the movie, after Nessa introduced Boq to her dad, she becomes visibly upset and rolls away when she sees how enamored Boq is with Glinda's proclaimed name change.
I wonder if they're going for Nessa developing a resentment for Glinda and in part 2 its Glinda that enchants the shoes like in the book and since Boq thinks he can leave now thanks to Glinda, that prompts Nessa to attempt the love spell that goes wrong
It's possible that Madam Morrible's position at the university could be a primarily research-based one; she mentions later having spent decades studying the Grimmorie which is the sort of high-profile thing a place like Shiz would be happy to fund, even if she usually doesn't take on students
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I'm rewatching and cackling at this comedy gold. Perfect reel material.
The blue Flying Monkey merch is so cute
When you talked about the train and the impression that travelling around Oz isn't easy, it reminded me of a video on the Architechtural Digest channel where the production designer Nathan Crowley talks through some of the sets - it's absolutely fascinating! So much thought and detail goes into it. He mentioned transport in their decision to have the students arrive by boat.
I think the stage version Fiyero asks where is the most swankified place in town. Glinda says oz dust ballroom. But in the film its Fiyero that suggests it?
Correct, well remembered! And the suggestion that it's a scandalous location is also new.
That line is my favorite Fiyero line, just cuz swankified is a fun word. I was sad it wasn't in the movie, though, I get why he had to suggest the oz dust. otherwise it wouldn't make sense in the movie for him to be kicked out of schools and be responsible for the corruption of his fellow students.
that one bugged me because i was looking forward to hearing jonathan say the word swankafied! lol
I'm not sure whether they do this in the stage musical or if something they added for the movie - either way, it certainly isn't in the original Broadway cast recording. In Dancing Through Life, after Nessa sings "and you felt sorry for me, well, isn't that right?" Ethan Slater as Boq says "oh no no, I don't feel sorry for you, you're great!" I'd like to imagine that was added at the behest of Marissa Bode, like as affirmation that disabled people don't need to be pitied
I am...not at all surprised that Mickey-Jo would use plushies to demonstrate the differences between the stage version and the film version.
I love wicked so much both the musical and the film 🎞
I think you're misinterpreting Stage Fiyero a bit. I don't believe he's actually vapid; just nobody's challenged him, particularly intellectually. We know there's more to him than meets the eye because Elphaba already picked up on it and fell in love with him. The difference between the stage and the movie isn't that he was actually brainless, it's that in the movie he doesn't pretend quite as hard.
6:25 - I love the idea of Oz having a shoe store that consists entirely of silver shoes- 🤣
I can't remember exactly how it plays on stage so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought another Fiyero difference is during I'm Not That Girl where (in the film) he arrives back to Shiz after Elphaba and is obviously looking for her while she sings from a corner. On stage I feel it's more he flees from the release of the lion cub back to the "safety" of Galinda and throws himself into their relationship to avoid the confusing thoughts his moment with Elphaba has thrown up.
There's definitely still a moment with Glinda on the bridge where he's looking for Elphaba - and though we see him go back to her, Glinda expresses in the next scene that he's been distant.
@MickeyJoTheatre Thank you, I thought there was something I'd forgotten. Yes, next scene he's been "thinking" but I'm in a muddle at the moment over the timeline. If day1 is when he first meets Elphaba, day2 is his arrival at shiz and "dancing through life", is dillamonds last class day3, seeing as Fiyero points out Elphaba has been "Galindafied"? Then what is the time gap between I'm Not That Girl and One Short Day? Galinda saying Fiyero has been different after Dillamond's sacking sounds odd if she only knew him for one day before.
37:10 i saw an interview where ariana stated that the thing that almost made her quit was that they had replaced the line "the wizard will see you now!" with "who rang that bell???" she called the director and had him change it back. It would had been a nod to the 1939 movie, but ariana said it was an iconic line that could not be replaced. So I think that's the line she's referencing
My biggest question with this movie is the gremory is said to only have one person to be able to read the book and it was alphabet in the movie so in the second half is Nessa going to turn back into the tin Man because how would she if she doesn't have power?
One of the changes that is kind of giving me anxiety is that I don't think we heard "the Wizard's unexpected departure." Am I misremembering? Do we have confirmation that the Wizard is gone?? Or does Glinda still need to go and kick him out???
I feel like I did catch that line or something related when I saw it the second time... but now I'm second-guessing! It could be done out-of-order...
she did say it right before "if there are no further questions i'm gonna go". she does kinda just mumble it to herself which is probably why you missed it!
She does say it! "as you can imagine I have much to attend to, what with the wizard's unexpected departure" - it's said quite quickly as she's already preparing herself to leave though!
@16:30 I'm preeeeeetty sure Morrible is announced as the Press Secretary in the movie, I remember that being said around when she says that line about the green skin being but an outward manifestorium??
No she never holds that position in the movie, or at least in Part 1. She just walks into the Wizard’s summoning room saying she didn’t want to miss Elphaba’s big moment, and when she warns the citizens on radio she never introduces herself. It’s hinted she’d already been working closely with the Wizard so she doesn’t need to be promoted to anything
I’m sad they missed out the line
‘What’s in the punch’
‘Lemons and melons and pears’
‘Oh my’
That line always makes me smile
Bear who raise Elphaba is actually based on the nanny character from the book But she was human who helped raise Elphaba with Both of Elphaba’s parents and Ozdust Ballroom is partially based on Actually, the infamous philosopher club which is a sex club that have the infamous scene in it but in the musical and Movie they cut that out for obvious reasons And Ozdust (souls of the people of oz) in the book
Fiyero said that Elphaba must have “blended into the foliage” so although he’s kinder, he still made a joke about her being green
I read the book of Wicked and it was dark. I saw the wicked the musical in Seattle, at paramount theater. The musical is really good and I enjoyed with it. I saw part one of Wicked and it was really good. Ended the movie, it was epic. I can’t wait for part two.
I could listen to you say “cinema” all day!
I did see an interview where Ariana said she specifically recalled there being no "the wizard will see you now!" line and it being replaced with something like "ring the doorbell" or the doorbell ringing (I can't remember), and she called Jon M. Chu and was like "this line absolutely has to be in the movie!"
Apparently they wanted to cut "the wizard will see you now" & Ariana called Jon saying you can't get rid of that
Thank you Chisterys for helping keep Mickey sane in explaining it :)
Was Ms. Coddle created for the film or was it from the book?
the thing that bothers me the most is the change of Something Bad. He needed to repeat the line one more time, where he mispronounces "bad", and then Elphaba sings, "It couldn't happen here, in Oz". that feels way too important to cut.
I figured they cut Elphaba's last line because in the movie context, she's seen enough that saying it couldn't happen in Oz wouldn't fit as well as a reaction.
You look like a young Michael Yagoobian. 😊
Morrible being a professor in the university system and "hidden away" is very reminiscent of Angela Davis and her almost "leftover" status after the black panther movement.
Thanks, Mickey Jo! 🌈
I don’t think the later Fiyero dialogue doesn’t work, just that it paints a completely different picture of him as a character. But I’m biased as a blind movie watcher.
It came across to me that being uncaring and vapid is his front, that he doesn’t want to care about things and has this sort of nihilistic hedonistic view because he wants to, not because it’s his natural state to be thoughtless and vapid. He espouses to not care because he doesn’t want to. If I’m psychoanalyzing him, he came across to me as someone who’s been burned before in the past for caring too much, and took on carelessness as a policy because he came to the conclusion that it was the smartest way to live.
Glinda and him match up because his front matches with her (and her front? I’m not smart enough to analyze Glinda). She believes in his front that he doesn’t care and doesn’t like to think because he outwardly states it, so is shocked when he starts outwardly being introspective. Elphaba I don’t think cares about believing anything because either way he’s espousing apathy and being annoying, so she doesn’t care if it’s a front or not, she still thinks of him as a guy who doesn’t like to think critically, and may even be even more annoyed if she knows it’s just his personal choice.
Either way, it’s still Fiyero portraying himself as one way and then acting different from how he usually does.
Just my personal interpretation of him as a movie watcher, nothing came across as odd to me.
My one noted lyric change that bugs me is changing “atrocious” for “uncanny”
it’s because the nanny sings that line and she actually likes elphaba and raises her so she wouldn’t call her ‘atrocious’ but it’s still a strange green baby. also i guess ‘how can it be’ and ‘uncanny’ sorta rhyme?
It bothered me too, but I guess they changed it out of politically correctness as the word “atrocious” is too harsh to say on somebody’s skin color.
@ but uncanny still makes no sense…. Never mind it was my opinion and once again it was wrong
@@yanivk18 definitely not political correctness because they still call her a BUNCH of other words. The reason is explained above (and in the video).
🤦♀️ no, it's changed because of WHO is singing it, someone who doesn't see it as atrocious, one of the animals in the room says the line. @@yanivk18
Will you go and watch the new non-replica production that's premiering in Madrid next October? It's the first time the musical is going to be done in the country and the tickets are already for sale, which is very unusual for a Spanish production.
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If nessa is played by an actual disabled actress how are they gonna do the part in part two where she starts walking?
They can use CGI but it might not look organic. I’m just afraid of it looking strange.
I… really hated the grammar corrections in the film! Considering all these weird Ozisms, you’d imagine the grammar would be weird in Oz too! Just made me rather not like Elphaba in those moments 🤷♀️
Elphaba is the only character who doesn't use the weird Ozisms in the play, and Glinda stops using them in private in the second act. It fits.
I absolutely missed the line from the stage play, “You’re positively phosphorescent!” I also missed the iconic green glasses from the stage play. Those glasses felt like looking at things the same way. Everything.very symbolic! I thought Defying gravity missed the mark of building up the tentative bravery of Elphaba. The stage play did that perfectly. The defying gravity in the movie was on a long time before the iconic… ahhhhhhhahahahhhhhhha.
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I may be in the minority but I didn’t like the Kristen and Idina cameo. It went on too long and felt gratuitous. We love them but the movie stopped dead to give them a moment and it could have been better incorporated.
I don't like how the film has Elphaba calling out to Dr Dillamond when she starts following him: "Dr Dillamond, did you find out who wrote..." or words to that effect. It seems like an inappropriate thing to shout out/draw attention to in front of other students, and even if he had discovered the culprit, is he going to want to reveal this fact publicly? The scriptwriter should've come up with a less improbable line... As for Madame Morrible, as much as I love Michelle Yeoh (did someone correct your previous mispronunciation, MickeyJo?) ;) I think she's miscast - she's too regal an actress for this role that, as you point out, has a more maternal and endearing (initial) characterisation on the stage - perhaps that's why they created the Coddle character and reworked the role, to accommodate Yeoh's naturally imperious manner?
Agreed. She is miscast. I love the stage confrontation between an empowered Glenda and a ferocious Madame Morrible.
As someone who is physically disabled Do we not have a problem with wicked and casting a wheelchair user as there are two different types of wheelchair users and without wanting to go into spoilers you would need one particular type of wheelchair user and then you’ve would have to be able to cast one particular type wheelchair user for the role. Although there’s not enough of us mobility challenged performers around when it comes to wheelchair users are there enough of the particular type of wheelchair user required available for these productions? Wouldn’t you need cover performance as well?
This is what I've always wondered regarding this conversation. Surely the things required of the Nessarose performer in the second act would require someone who can do a certain amount of standing and walking? And they would need to reliably do that 8 shows a week, taking into account the fact that mobility and flare ups etc. are not always predictable. I'm not saying there's no one who could do that - ambulatory wheelchair users absolutely exist - but it seems a very tall order to consistently find someone who would check all those boxes *and* perform the part well.
Why have the gays claimed the theatre! 😭
@@talibhussain5357 what did I say?
Fieryo is so worthless in this entire production, only reason he is there because of love interest. Rewrite the entire musical and take him out
the biggest change: elphaba's entirely new personality for whatever reason (misogyny? make her more feminine and comfortable?)
I've heard Cynthia talk about her lack of anger as Elphaba on the Sentimental Men podcast and it made *perfect* sense to me! I also don't think she's any more feminine in the film than the stage musical?
@@MickeyJoTheatre As much as I adore Cynthia and have been blessed to see her perform in person this year, I don’t care for her somber, humourless take because I wonder how she’s going to dip into the humour when Elphaba confronts Dorothy. No one is going to want to see Dorothy bullied without humour. I do miss the fire of stage Elphaba. One of my few complaints.
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