I don’t think Nico did anything wrong at all.. He was camped out under the ball and heard PCA calling, and got out of the way. PCA and Seiya BOTH looked to be calling for the ball, then backed off for a half step not knowing if the others were backing off, and both came up an inch short. If you’re going to be screaming for the ball, you better go and get it.
Don’t think PCA doesn’t know he blew it….he’s a great kid to have.He will be beating himself Up for that for awhile.Still love that kid and love my Cubs
I agree. My big thing is that Nico was settled under the ball with 2 outs. PCA should've recognized that and let Nico have it. There's no reason to have the CF charging in get it because he doesn't need to make a hard throw home to stop the run from coming in.
Have to win these types of games, bad bad loss. Especially having Cleveland and Minnesota next week both excellent clubs. Hopefully this bit of momentum isn't gone, tomorrow's game will say alot. Must win
The fact that Horner could have got that ball kinda goes out the window when he realizes if he does try and catch the ball is going to have a nasty collision with pca …..so he lets pca have it…..and he should have had it ……pca’s fault 100%….
Well said Mick Now if we could teach them to hit to the opposite field that would be great Home Runs are nice but that’s what gets you in a slump Go Cubs
Hi Mick, absolutely right! This wasn’t a pick up softball game where you are playing with guys you know for the first time…, for crying out loud! They all been playing together for months now, if the centerfielder calls the ball he takes it! No more discussion. Sieya needs to just DH, he scares me every time a ball is hit to him. If the Cubs should turn things around and miss the playoffs by one game, remember the poor defensive play on August 3rd. They need the Bull Durham shower speech. 😂🐻🧢💙
Isaac Paredes is 2 for 20 since he joined the Cubs...😳 And now he's making mental mistakes on 3rd .. That kinda reminds me of someone named Christopher...
Twice Nico made the same mistake he was under the ball on those two plays. Mick, I’ve been a Cubs fan fir lore than 35 years. Couldn’t agree with yo more, this time. You made it a revelation I have been guessing fir a long time. There has to be a team which take care if the psychological part of this team. You said it all regarding Ripken Sr. I am thinking that major leaguers are not use ti have an outfielder like PCA he covers a lit of ground and is always near any ball in play in the outfield, just in case something happens. Thats the main readon Happ ans Seiya throw themselves to try plays they would not try in other cases, but they do, cause they know PCA is near there to help. I think Happ and Seiya are starting to get use to that and don’t get nervous having him near, but maybe it is not the case with Nico.
Mitch, I couldn't agree more about having "baseball guys" in the organization. Analytics has its place, but you have to have guys that have been around the game bc it's invaluable! Well said!
Mick, you're right about the "Oriole Way." From 1958 to 1983, the Orioles were the winningest team in the Major Leagues. Analytics has ruined the game, and as long as number crunchers call the shots, we can expect to see more of what happened today continue.
Too many times finding a way to lose. Well said by you. This loss felt worse than most. Hodge should have been out of it, despite not pitching great. Very dispiriting.
This is what happens when the kids play…for PCA, it’s learning experience, plain and simple. When I first saw the PCA play, I couldn’t tell if Hoerner would have gotten to the ball anyway or if PCA lost the ball in the sun. Neither was the case…it was just PCA being too aggressive. As far as the Suzuki dropped ball, he had the ball in his glove and the ball popped out when his arm slammed to the ground. Things like that happen too. Hindsight is always 20/20 but split second decisions were made and they just didn’t work out. Tomorrow’s another day…move on!
Amazing. If that game ends with all factors being the same but with Morel playing 3rd, this would have been a rant about how bad Morel is. Love that morel is no longer the scapegoat for the Cubs. Amazing how Nico throw shade at Morel after trade. All Chicago Media/Online blamed the cubs bad season on Morel. I think this game proves it. Barely a mention about the error at 3rd. 2-16 since trade. Yeah Cubs management sucks in development.
Completely on Nico. Pete was way too far out. Nico was aggressively out there first and put arms out. Also, I can’t understand why Paredes throws that damn ball. I’m shocked in Little league when I umpire, they throw the ball away all the time instead of just eating it. This is the bigs man. You gotta know when to hold it.
The Cubs are their own worst enemy. They beat themselves. I know they’re still in the hunt in the wild card. But because of blunders like this, and the constant underachieving, whether it be the bullpen blowing games and the hitters not hitting, I just don’t see them making the playoffs.
Hey mick,aren't these things stressed enough in spring training?why are we having this conversation this late in the season?the outfield coach should be stressing these basics in their preparation and pregame meetings. This should not happen. I was very hard on david ross but ross had these guys playing good defense.
Mick is absolutely right-r their any captains on this team? Too many mistakes w/out accountability- I’ve been disappointed with Counsel’s performance in many situations. Just doesn’t seem to have fire in his belly-you can’t give games away to the Cards. Where’s a John Lackey type character on this team-every Cub player should come out tomorrow ticked off!!!
To me, it looked like Nico Horner was right underneath the ball and PCA is running in calling him off the ball. Nico was called off the ball, and got out out of the way because PCA was calling him off. He didn’t want a collision. That’s the way it looks to me anyway. Seems to me like it was a rookie mistake and at that level there should be no rookie mistakes like that. If PCA would’ve caught the ball, nobody word be talking about it except what an awesome catch that was. If he’s gonna call Nico off the ball like that, then he should catch the ball. maybe it’ll humble PCA a little and make him a better player.
Mick i agree with you but these things should be stressed pregame..i think cliff floyd and that shortstop from years ago that played for the pirates name jack Wilson will be excellent teachers of the fundamentals of the game. I believe jack wilson will make an excellent managet someday...he is very smart mick.
I have a question for you. Had the Cubs sold bigger and got rid of Taillon and Bellinger...possibly Hoerner. Would you still be saying there's a chance? You much like myself said we should be sellers ...but Jed didn't really sell much. For me that was a huge missed opportunity. So because we didn't really sell does that mean you all of a sudden are back to believing this team can make a run. I'm not trying to show you up it's just I don't feel the same way. I can't see this team making the playoffs...and I think Jed really screwed up this deadline.
steele better and better? his best was couple starts ago, hopefully he reverts to that version rather than the last couple starts. We can never build on momentum.... when we can get that one that gets us rolling we lose like did tonight or just get molly whopped unfortunately. ( d backs series the giants game where neris gave up the 3 run bomb one of only 2 bad starts by imonaga against the mets and then against these cards losing both games of the double header ), our team doesnt have that one guy that can say just get to his spot in lineup late and he will come thru. Happ has some games where if he is only one he for sure wins/won us some games then immediately after went cold,,,, if dont have that one guy need a couple to be able to, Nico has started coming thru late more often and dont blow up my comp Dansby doing a little something... skeptic over here thinks its because they almost feel like they arent in the race as much so have nothing to lose vs feeling the pressure that every game is for playoff spot. I hope everyone on the team still believes playoffs this year is the goal no matter the outcome, if that isnt the case its an indictment on all levels of the organization, and Jed should have had a fire sale on any and all players teams would've have traded for. *Big stage on Sunday Night Baseball with the ability to win, I think, first series vs NL central team all season (ugh how's that possible???) it'd show some postive signs of life that we will need against a very tough Cleveland team, (call it a Baltimore series 2,0 get the brooms out and we might just build ourselves into a force late still,,, Go Cubs)
Jeter analogy doesn't work here. CF running in and calling for it gets it, period. Collision there could very easily turn into a serious injury with an extended IL stint. That's why the fundamentals are there to begin with. Once PCA called for it, it's his.
Wow you sound totally clueless. Thats the CF ball 100% of the time. Nico was there and camped. He then peeled when he was called off. Thats a little league play.
Im sorry but paredes is cheeks bro 😂😂😂 so much for " stabilizing the line up and bringing value defensively to the 3rd base position" the rays fleezed us paredes is hitting .155 with the cubs and is 2 for 19 thats sad bro morel at least brings the HR
Every mistake he makes as far as misreading fly balls, he should have learned in the minors. He called it and it was his ball. Theres so much more to baseball than being fast. PCA does not have the instincts.
Why does Neris get off the hook? How many games does he have to blow before we notice? Yes Nico and PCA SCREWED UP hugely. Neris still is the one who gave THEM the lead. Why is he still closing?
I don’t think Nico did anything wrong at all.. He was camped out under the ball and heard PCA calling, and got out of the way. PCA and Seiya BOTH looked to be calling for the ball, then backed off for a half step not knowing if the others were backing off, and both came up an inch short. If you’re going to be screaming for the ball, you better go and get it.
Horner backed off to late. PCA had to back off too. PCA reaction to the ball was outstanding but to late.
Don’t think PCA doesn’t know he blew it….he’s a great kid to have.He will be beating himself
Up for that for awhile.Still love that kid and love my Cubs
I agree. My big thing is that Nico was settled under the ball with 2 outs. PCA should've recognized that and let Nico have it. There's no reason to have the CF charging in get it because he doesn't need to make a hard throw home to stop the run from coming in.
Thanks Mick, I am with you! You called it right!
Thanks for the show Mick! LET'S GO CUBS!!! ⚾️✌️💙 🐻
Have to win these types of games, bad bad loss. Especially having Cleveland and Minnesota next week both excellent clubs. Hopefully this bit of momentum isn't gone, tomorrow's game will say alot. Must win
Thank you!! I've been thinking that too!! Thanks for putting that out there Mick!!👌🏾👏🏾👏🏾
The fact that Horner could have got that ball kinda goes out the window when he realizes if he does try and catch the ball is going to have a nasty collision with pca …..so he lets pca have it…..and he should have had it ……pca’s fault 100%….
Well said Mick
Now if we could teach them to hit to the opposite field that would be great
Home Runs are nice but that’s what gets you in a slump
Go Cubs
Hi Mick, absolutely right! This wasn’t a pick up softball game where you are playing with guys you know for the first time…, for crying out loud! They all been playing together for months now, if the centerfielder calls the ball he takes it! No more discussion. Sieya needs to just DH, he scares me every time a ball is hit to him. If the Cubs should turn things around and miss the playoffs by one game, remember the poor defensive play on August 3rd. They need the Bull Durham shower speech. 😂🐻🧢💙
Isaac Paredes is 2 for 20 since he joined the Cubs...😳 And now he's making mental mistakes on 3rd .. That kinda reminds me of someone named Christopher...
Youth and a vet. People always always learning.
Twice Nico made the same mistake he was under the ball on those two plays. Mick, I’ve been a Cubs fan fir lore than 35 years. Couldn’t agree with yo more, this time. You made it a revelation I have been guessing fir a long time. There has to be a team which take care if the psychological part of this team. You said it all regarding Ripken Sr. I am thinking that major leaguers are not use ti have an outfielder like PCA he covers a lit of ground and is always near any ball in play in the outfield, just in case something happens. Thats the main readon Happ ans Seiya throw themselves to try plays they would not try in other cases, but they do, cause they know PCA is near there to help. I think Happ and Seiya are starting to get use to that and don’t get nervous having him near, but maybe it is not the case with Nico.
You’re so right Mick…there’s no substitute for real experience in the game.
Mitch, I couldn't agree more about having "baseball guys" in the organization. Analytics has its place, but you have to have guys that have been around the game bc it's invaluable! Well said!
AGREED!
Mick, you're right about the "Oriole Way." From 1958 to 1983, the Orioles were the winningest team in the Major Leagues. Analytics has ruined the game, and as long as number crunchers call the shots, we can expect to see more of what happened today continue.
I can't wait to see the Rekap on this one. 😂. He's gonna be throwing things.
Too many times finding a way to lose. Well said by you. This loss felt worse than most. Hodge should have been out of it, despite not pitching great. Very dispiriting.
Armstrong needs to sit on the bench tomorrow .
NO
They need to send him back to the minors.
This is what happens when the kids play…for PCA, it’s learning experience, plain and simple. When I first saw the PCA play, I couldn’t tell if Hoerner would have gotten to the ball anyway or if PCA lost the ball in the sun. Neither was the case…it was just PCA being too aggressive.
As far as the Suzuki dropped ball, he had the ball in his glove and the ball popped out when his arm slammed to the ground. Things like that happen too.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but split second decisions were made and they just didn’t work out.
Tomorrow’s another day…move on!
Amazing. If that game ends with all factors being the same but with Morel playing 3rd, this would have been a rant about how bad Morel is. Love that morel is no longer the scapegoat for the Cubs. Amazing how Nico throw shade at Morel after trade.
All Chicago Media/Online blamed the cubs bad season on Morel. I think this game proves it. Barely a mention about the error at 3rd. 2-16 since trade. Yeah Cubs management sucks in development.
I hate to say it, but Jed needs to see this. Jed doesn't need any optimism going into this off-season. This team is a mess.
PCA made a rookie mistake again, he on the bench tonight, that two rookie mistakes in three days. Tauchman would be in center tonight.
Is there reason for not showing how they blew vs. a verbal replay ??
I shut it off start of 8th,had a feeling of doom,of course I believe now this 21st late collapse,win half,1st place done watching
Completely on Nico. Pete was way too far out. Nico was aggressively out there first and put arms out. Also, I can’t understand why Paredes throws that damn ball. I’m shocked in Little league when I umpire, they throw the ball away all the time instead of just eating it. This is the bigs man. You gotta know when to hold it.
The Cubs are their own worst enemy. They beat themselves. I know they’re still in the hunt in the wild card. But because of blunders like this, and the constant underachieving, whether it be the bullpen blowing games and the hitters not hitting, I just don’t see them making the playoffs.
Fire council
Hey mick,aren't these things stressed enough in spring training?why are we having this conversation this late in the season?the outfield coach should be stressing these basics in their preparation and pregame meetings. This should not happen. I was very hard on david ross but ross had these guys playing good defense.
Mick is absolutely right-r their any captains on this team? Too many mistakes w/out accountability- I’ve been disappointed with Counsel’s performance in many situations. Just doesn’t seem to have fire in his belly-you can’t give games away to the Cards. Where’s a John Lackey type character on this team-every Cub player should come out tomorrow ticked off!!!
The one way, in my opinion, it could start by them being called by mini, "The Cubbies" I hate that, because of what that implies!!🧐🤔🤨
To me, it looked like Nico Horner was right underneath the ball and PCA is running in calling him off the ball.
Nico was called off the ball, and got out out of the way because PCA was calling him off. He didn’t want a collision. That’s the way it looks to me anyway.
Seems to me like it was a rookie mistake and at that level there should be no rookie mistakes like that.
If PCA would’ve caught the ball, nobody word be talking about it except what an awesome catch that was. If he’s gonna call Nico off the ball like that, then he should catch the ball.
maybe it’ll humble PCA a little and make him a better player.
Mick i agree with you but these things should be stressed pregame..i think cliff floyd and that shortstop from years ago that played for the pirates name jack Wilson will be excellent teachers of the fundamentals of the game.
I believe jack wilson will make an excellent managet someday...he is very smart mick.
I have a question for you. Had the Cubs sold bigger and got rid of Taillon and Bellinger...possibly Hoerner. Would you still be saying there's a chance? You much like myself said we should be sellers ...but Jed didn't really sell much. For me that was a huge missed opportunity. So because we didn't really sell does that mean you all of a sudden are back to believing this team can make a run. I'm not trying to show you up it's just I don't feel the same way. I can't see this team making the playoffs...and I think Jed really screwed up this deadline.
I think or hope that Counsell is going to fix this team, and I hope they can add a big bat. Bellinger could still be gone before 2025 opener
steele better and better? his best was couple starts ago, hopefully he reverts to that version rather than the last couple starts. We can never build on momentum.... when we can get that one that gets us rolling we lose like did tonight or just get molly whopped unfortunately. ( d backs series the giants game where neris gave up the 3 run bomb one of only 2 bad starts by imonaga against the mets and then against these cards losing both games of the double header ), our team doesnt have that one guy that can say just get to his spot in lineup late and he will come thru. Happ has some games where if he is only one he for sure wins/won us some games then immediately after went cold,,,, if dont have that one guy need a couple to be able to, Nico has started coming thru late more often and dont blow up my comp Dansby doing a little something... skeptic over here thinks its because they almost feel like they arent in the race as much so have nothing to lose vs feeling the pressure that every game is for playoff spot. I hope everyone on the team still believes playoffs this year is the goal no matter the outcome, if that isnt the case its an indictment on all levels of the organization, and Jed should have had a fire sale on any and all players teams would've have traded for.
*Big stage on Sunday Night Baseball with the ability to win, I think, first series vs NL central team all season (ugh how's that possible???) it'd show some postive signs of life that we will need against a very tough Cleveland team, (call it a Baltimore series 2,0 get the brooms out and we might just build ourselves into a force late still,,, Go Cubs)
if you going to call off you have to catch it, point blank. If you would have had to dodge a little and couldnt catch it then dont call it.
And!! to your point, they had those ex Cubs in their organization!!🧐😠🤨
Center calls it ,its his since little league. Fundamentals
Why is no one talking about the walk and hit batter?
Jeter analogy doesn't work here. CF running in and calling for it gets it, period. Collision there could very easily turn into a serious injury with an extended IL stint. That's why the fundamentals are there to begin with. Once PCA called for it, it's his.
An error from our third baseman, an outfielder who can’t catch a routine fly ball and Neris giving up the go ahead home run. Some things never change.
David Ross was cheaper. Manager was not the problem, lack of talent was. But hey that’s just me
Not that many games left. Should have been sellers . Can they still make the play offs? you need a big winning streak. But not hopeful.
Craig doesn’t have the energy or passion like Ross did
All I can say about this game is.............😫
Hard to change the identity from being a mediocre team when the GM is scared to shed underperformers and scared to sign impact players
Clearly PCA fault.
Still playing loser baseball! Everyone has to change their attitudes. This includes Counsell!
Wow you sound totally clueless. Thats the CF ball 100% of the time. Nico was there and camped. He then peeled when he was called off. Thats a little league play.
Cubs can’t play with pressure
It’s lost. Ain’t no way Cubs can get into playoffs. I ain’t drinking the koolaid. Season over
Im sorry but paredes is cheeks bro 😂😂😂 so much for " stabilizing the line up and bringing value defensively to the 3rd base position" the rays fleezed us paredes is hitting .155 with the cubs and is 2 for 19 thats sad bro morel at least brings the HR
First game i’ve watched since May. Now i remember why i stopped watching. We’re a loser, plain and simple.
Every mistake he makes as far as misreading fly balls, he should have learned in the minors. He called it and it was his ball. Theres so much more to baseball than being fast. PCA does not have the instincts.
They need a brain
Why does Neris get off the hook? How many games does he have to blow before we notice? Yes Nico and PCA SCREWED UP hugely. Neris still is the one who gave THEM the lead. Why is he still closing?