Is The Boys dropping off?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- The Boys are back with 2024's Season 4 with the promise of the most intense season yet. We also have news that Season 5 will actually be the last with things presumably ending with Homelander having his head caved in with a crowbar. Not everybody is happy with the ways things are playing out with this latest season, with some considering it the weakest yet. Here we get into all of that with an exert from our podcast The Weekly Planet where we discuss the first three episodes. Thanks for listening!
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They need to introduce the only man they can defeat Homelander
Corn-on-Coblin
Nah he is fighting Robert Batinbat atm
The only man that can defeat Homelander: The Corporations 😂
Corn OF Coblin
Too busy looking for a mate or running down a bloke in his undies
@@dontyouworryaboutit_is this a real character?? 😂
I really liked when Sister Sage asked Deep if he wanted to watch Transformers 2, the one James and Mason really liked. And the Deep was all "yeah Sister grab the gem"
Sister sage is quickly becoming my favorite character
It’s funny because she got lobotomized making her stupid, so of course she wants to watch transformers 2 😂
@@donovan4222 well she got lobotomised so i hipe you loke Dumb Sister sage too 😂 why do you think the most intelligent person on the planet mention wanting to watch transformers
James and mason like the one with the racist robots typical Aussies
Pretty sure that was meant to call Transformers fans stupid, since The Deep is very dumb.
I loved the little moment between Kimiko and Frenchie where he denies the moon landing
Oh, and I love Frenchie's new movie : "Colin Me By Your Name".
Kimiko is cute
Definitely a top 5 Frenchie line. Even Kimiko didn’t know whether to believe him or not.
Right? In a show with superheroes and people that can literally fly, Frenchie can't believe we got to the moon haha.
@@Circaninesix idk with how much he realizes events and media fabricate everything within the universe of The Boys, it is plausible in that world it was just a stunt and not real. If America had Supes then the race against the Soviets probably wouldn't be that intense
Shows need to end, that's how it can truly become a masterpiece. 5 seasons are enough for most shows
Supernatural would be a cult classic if it had ended at 5
@@alonsoarana5307 I would say it's still a cult classic. I had fun with the entire show, but I was ready for it to end during the 15th season
6 seasons and a movie
@@infctdpptfive seasons and the final episode gets extra run time as a special.
@@AnalogStick95there's no denying there are gems in there, but the planning they did with those first five seasons were thought out well. The later seasons just kept power scaling it's villains
That scene with Will Ferrell playing A-train's coach was a howl....
Soldier Boy and Stormfront don’t age is because they were given the original version of compound V, which no longer exists.
And where'd you get that from?
@@hiduck8247 From The Boys Wiki: "The original, stabilized version of Compound V given to Soldier Boy and Stormfront is not produced by modern day Vought. It is unclear why this is so; possibilities include the original formula being lost to time or intentionally concealed."
@@alexfilma16 I heard it was a cost cutting measure. You know Vought always trying to squeeze out that extra dollar. They made an inferior version of compound V cause it would be cheaper.
@@budley8539 That dovetails with their theory behind Temp V. Supes are much easier to control if they don't stick around too long.
@@alexfilma16 I don't care for the boys wiki, when was it mentioned in the show? I'm not about the info from fanfiction or maybe the comic that was completely different
Carlo-Esposito's charecter is alive. He was pushed out of the company by Homelander in a prior season.
I believe they mentioned he is chilling on an island somewhere in retirement
@@NotCharAznableHe’s confirmed to be back this season, in a much smaller role.
@@NotCharAznable I got more of the vibe that they were just using him to set up Victoria Neuman’s character than anything else
@@donovan4222 He's waiting to come and swoop in when Homelander has fucked so much shit up, and save the company.
Plotting his revenge, which will be fun.
I've always likened The Deep to that squirrel thing in the Ice Age movies. Doing completely irrelevant things but also the dumbest and most entertaining things, and people just enjoy him get his comeuppance every single time.
Exactly, i love the deep, eventhough nothing he does matters xd
His name is hilariously ironic.
I wish he was just bullied for the hell of it because I want to feel bad but then I remember he assaulted starlight
That's a realy good comparison!
It’s still great but the sheer amount of plot lines is ridiculous, it’s become quantity over quality and it’s really killed the pacing
The Seven is far more compelling than The Boys themselves. No disrespect but I’m only really invested in Butcher and Hughie. Compared to the seven where it’s all of them.
I think the Frenchie and Colin one seems so unnecessary. Like are you telling me Colin is going to have a massive bearing on the end of the season? I doubt it.
@@Moray2023he literally came out of nowhere too and is just sidelining his relationship w kimiko
To be honest I love most of the plot lines going on minus the Frenchie and Colin one. To be honest though I like Frenchie as a character I'm often bored the most by his sections of the story.
Ryan - Butcher - Homelander is probably the most interesting storyline to me this season.
@@blueguygaming1330 I think they wanted a LGBTQ relationship in the show after writing off Queen Maeve. I feel like they did it really poorly.
More like Mr Monday Night Movies
Gottem
Brutal
They need to review The Garfield Movie.
@@ingen_nate_kenny6588 wait your turn. Snakeyes first
you have to travel to the core to get to the correct timeline (it costs pesos of course)...
Victoria actually has the same powers as Marie from Gen V! Some form of Hemokinesis.
I thought her power was bone based, because of what she did to the guy's hand in the alley scene
@@LordVolkov She is a blood bender i believe.
@@LordVolkovshe pushed all the blood into the arm and soildafied it to break the bone same way she pops heads and other parts is she builds up blood in the skull until it pops
I believe it's insinuated that Marie has a more advanced form of hemokinesis
How does she even control blood
How does that work
I am getting that feeling I got with Breaking Bad S4 where we’re in a penultimate stage. It doesn’t quite feel like we’re at the end yet but it feels like we’re getting there.
Truely insightful comments especially since it's been said even in the video that it's ending next season. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Bravo you are deep and smort
@@godshand6822 what exactly is your problem?
So Homelander can’t see through zinc, not lead. Zinc is a major component of HVAC systems at all Ice Capades productions. Now, why he didn’t look for Hughie *after* that? I don’t know, but maybe he just said “fuck it, it doesn’t matter” after 10 minutes
A-Train took Hughie potentially miles away. Did you not see the literal next scene after Homelander chases him? How is he supposed to track him down?
He can't use his lasers in combination with his x ray plus we have seen his x ray vision takes a few seconds to look through a wall at Stillwell , it may have a capped range or just take a few seconds where as his laser is almost instant
@@lolusuck386 that’s fair. The thing I appreciate about the show is that it’s still fun even when there are little plot contrivances that might be annoying in a less good show, but with this I’m like 🤷🏻♂️. I love the characters and it hits the right emotional beats when it wants to
I thought Homeland was gonna just fly through the ceiling looking for Hughie, instead he just awkwardly stood there shooting at ghosts. I get that there was a lot of noise but HL's powers seem so shit since he got whooped in Season 3 that it's hard to take him seriously, add the huge amount of plot armor the Boys have and it's just boring.
@@Substantial-hf1rm I’m more permissive of it because it’s still a fun show for me. If the writing for the rest of it wasn’t as strong, I’d be more critical.
Eric Kripke learned his lesson, he let Supernatural go on after season 5 and look what happened to it.
You mean the greatest show ever made?
@@theprinceofallsaiyans_vegita 😂 the show went completely bunkers and lame after season 5 and I loved every minute
At least supernatural had the appeal of characters who you like to see interact and just go through a bunch of crazy stuff. The Boys doesn’t really have that, it’s a bunch of assholes kicking eachother while we watch for more crazy stuff
@@Beetdabot Nothing comes close to Riverdale. the contrast between season 1 and the rest of the show and how wild and predictably unpredictable is unmatched in any media.
@@sain1536 haha I’m sure. I couldn’t get into Riverdale. But I was a hardcore Winchester fan so the unhinged craziness of their later seasons just worked for me lol
I don’t think the show is dropping off, but if they didn’t decide to end it at season 5 then the show would really start to become repetitive.
My thoughts exactly 😂
They completely threw away Kimoko's established relationship after 3 seasons and fundamentally changed the characters' personalities to fit a new relationship plotline. Actual bottom tier writing.
it's very degenerate woke show, it's way off the cliff
Only so many times you can fail to kill homelander I mean
@@DrFrogglePhDwhat? No that's just not true
The first red flag for the dropoff was the season 3 finale not being very good.
Was it not?
I thought I was the only one disappointed. Maive and Soldier Boy get shoved out of the story and homelander gets spared. We're really spinning our wheels too scared to mess with status quo.
They should have ran up to the end of season 4, but they stretched season 3 out to add a middle season
@Macapta I felt it was disappointing that they didn't kill off a single character and made Soldier Boy get punked out after doing what he was asked to do
You didn't enjoy Starlights little bright lamp mode that pushed that guy away a bit?
Season 3 was the BEST season up until that final episode. The writers gave every character momentary stupidity and scrapped Hughie's arc just to keep Homelander alive. This entire season feels contrived and redundant.
Yeah I'm almost over the "can they ever stop Homelander???" bit. That's been THE goal since basically the start, and you can only keep teasing it and giving no resolution before people stop caring. I think 4 seasons is pushing it, 5 sounds like too many.
@guttsu Is that where you think they're going and not a redemption arc?
"What, for HOMELANDER?!"
If EK can pull it off realistically and not in a "I'm good now, forget the past", I want to see it.
I mean it all surrounded around protecting Ryan, and Soldier Boy was about to KO Blast Hoemlander and Ryan
I didn’t love the last episode but… hughie arc in the whole season was learning to deal with his fear of losing starlight and insecurity that he isn’t powerful enough to protect her - they did the opposite of throw away his arc, how else could that have ended?
They did not “scrap Hughie’s arc” and it was not stupidity to not kill Homelander, it was Butcher protecting his wife’s son. Thats called character development, he put off his revenge to save Ryan.
I feel like the "shocking" scenes in previous seasons were more motivated. This season feels like cynical attempts to be shocking to maintain their brand.
The only “shocking” scene so far has been Splinter, “pleasuring” himself, I always say people say the show has become shock value ridden but it never takes away from the story for me so it’s not really a issue
I thought this when the ice skater scene happened. Just a comedy of bloody errors and it really took me out
I have no idea why people are picking season 4 to start making this complaint when the last season started with a man crawling inside another man’s ding dong and exploding
I can't imagine them topping the penis sneeze, I think they jumped the shark on shock value with that scene and won't be able to top it. Nothing has felt more brutally unexpected since. The splinter scene is being overhyped and imo wasn't that shocking. Like Herogasm, I saw something "shocking" coming and was disappointed by the reveal.
@@shrumgus5608 yup, Completely unnecessary from a writing standpoint, It served no purpose to the plot other than "What if we just have some Bloody stuff here"
Season 4 is already starting to feel like a filler arc. Imo it’s good that season 5 is the end since I felt that the Homelander and Butcher dynamic was played out by season 3 and Soldier Boy saved it.
Filler? Come on now. It’s doesn’t seem like filler at all.
@@stevenmark4407 yes, it absolutely does. Three episodes in and literally nothing is going forward. And most characters are doing the same things all over again. It could definitely get better but that's where we are at right now.
@@stevenmark4407Yeah, it does feel like filler. This season is BAD so far. I’ll be done with it if it doesn’t get better by episode 5. Just gross toilet “humor” all the time.
@@stevenmark4407 do you really care about frenchie, kimiko and hughies side story? Hughie never learns
I know the whole using dissinformation to manipulate people into trusting those in power is a bit close to home these days, but I'm thoroughly enjoying it
Victoria's power is that she can manipulate blood, like the chick in Gen V. She reveals that in that show. She could do a lot more with her powers, basically being able to manipulate blood via some sort of material specific telekinesis, but she is trying to keep her powers a secret so she doesn't really show that aspect of her abilities.
Also, we did find out who Black Noir was. He was not a Homelander clone here, but there was huge chunks of episodes dedicated to his past and history with Soldier Boy last season. Not sure if you guys didn't watch Gen V, or forgot what happened last season, but these two issues were heavily addressed.
I can see the argument that theyre retreading similar plotlines, especially with killing Homelander and is Butcher still part of The Boys or not etc., but it's still a bit of fun along the way with new characters, just hoping they nail the ending.
Nah, those aren't even the biggest retreads but they do still add to the feeling. So do the intentional call backs. Oh, season 4 starts with a mission where frenchie walks in on something he shouldn't and says "oh I didn't see anything" and then gets attacked and saved by kimiko. Cool, nice call back to how season 3 started. But then when the rest of the show starts repeating more and more and it builds up. Frenchie and colin and now kimiko with this supe girl from her past. We've done that before. It's not going to be important and it isn't fleshing out either character any more than they have been already.
@NotCharAznable oh no! People have thoughts after watching three more hours of a show that's now in it's 4th season. How dare we have opinions!!!
@@fullmetalb5241it’s just weird. The level of obsession over details. Shows aren’t meant to be watched like this. They aren’t mean to be consumed like this. Today’s media culture is obsessive. They’re supposed to be fun. If you aren’t having fun watching then dip, it’s that simple
@Rowlandi11 shows aren't meant to be watched with your brain? Or to be praised for things you like and critiqued for things you don't? Like all stories have been in the history of people? Watch shows however you want, but that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I'm not dipping a show I've been watching for years because there are some parts I'm not enjoying.
@@Rowlandi11he’s right, what you just said is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. That is the most consumer take ever, thinking it’s “weird”to review something you are spending personal time watching. It’s a very detailed show so it would be kind of ridiculous and do the show a disservice to not critique in detail. But wow. Wow.
Butcher defeats homelander and dies in the process. Ryan lives with Hughie and starlight. They seem unsure how it gets there though.
Except the comic ending where Butcher murders all of his friends and literally every character dies lmao.
@@Elfenlied8675309I doubt they are going that route
@@Elfenlied8675309 Yeah and the comics were crap in comparison to the show
@@Elfenlied8675309lucky they rarely follow the comic
@@Elfenlied8675309 Show Butcher has no reason to kill the Boys though, in the comics he did that because they were all supes too.... the compound V in the comics they took was permanent. Hughie and Annie also survive and move to Scotland. OP theory is sound for the shows logic and storytelling. Hughie and Annie together, both represent human and supe respectively, would be the best balance for Ryan to grow up with.
Black noir was shown in season 3 in flashbacks
Yeah, but he actually was "just some dude" in them.
@@ParadroidArkanoid actually it's the same actor playing black noir who's now allowed to talk
@@Deathwink1 different actor for the flashbacks though
Yes and he’s probably remembering the animated soldier boy and noir scene
I like this season so far but I was livid with the reasonings behind keeping Homelander alive in thr S3 finale. They can't drag it out much longer as it becomes increasingly implausible that Homelander doesn't just kill The Boys and be done with it
Black Noir should have killed Soldier Boy in place of Queen Maeve to give his storyline in S3 a conclusion and a satisfying end to to his character while also a somewhat shock twist taking the heavy hitter in The Boys’ plan to kill Homelander.
Instead, Homelander just decides to kill Noir because reasons. And Maeve has the heroic self sacrifice scene trying to kill the guy trying to kill the guy she wants to be killed just to wake up in a hospital bed in the next scene because she needs to have another heroic entrance and/or self sacrifice killing Homelander next season.
S1 and S2 are goated and so was S3 right up until that point.
Soldier boy is not dead and Black Noir is too weak to do the job
Maeve wasn't willing to let a child die just to satisfy her selfish needs. It's called character growth.
Saying homelander decided to kill Noir for “reasons” is such an understatement lol.
Yall know soldier boy is alive right?
Victoria isn't just a headpopper. We learn in Gen V that she is a bloodbender like Marie. A bloodbender is one of the last super-people that you'd wanna mess with in any form of fiction. Those guys aren't balanced.
Bloodbenders need to be nerfed in the next balance patch honestly. They can just spam their head popping move.
I’m guessing she might fix Butcher’s clot or whatever’s happening to him
@@KarldeRavinthat’s actually one of the cooler theories I’ve heard
@@donovan4222 skill issue
i mean they're unbalanced until they meet someone with barbeque sauce for blood for some reason then they're just fucked.
27:41 -- It's a surgical tool for lobotomies. Sage made herself dumber & then slept with Deep because of it.
Yeah her file also says she has "moderate regeneration", so she can come back from doing that in, I don't know, a day probably. Or overnight.
Yeah I wonder if she’s going to keep herself “dumbed down” so homelander dosnt take over the world or if she just does that at night to chill out and watch trash reality tv and bang the deep. But sage seems to be a supe supremacist so she prob wouldn’t care if homelander fucked up some people up
Yup
Why get drunk when you can lobotomise yourself
I like the idea that she does it like having a few drinks or getting high at the end of the day, but I also think it could be a thing she does because she doesn't want to grow so intelligent that she see's herself as a god like figure, maybe she does it to keep her powers from overwhelming her.
Not killing off Maeve in the season 3 finale was such a mistake. All the good guys have plot armor, and it's really making the show boring to watch.
Frenchie randomly popping out a boyfriend is hilarious
He was bi and in a poly relationship in earlier seasons
Yeah and this dude just came out of nowhere😂
@@randomusername3873Hes always been gay, But i will admit that Side plot is fucking boring. I couldn't care less if he finds out Frenchie killed his family
Who cares about him being bi
It's him randomly having a boyfriend that never happeared before just to have some drama that bothers me
Especially since he already had the thing with kimiko (that now everyone decided is like a sister to him, which, why)😂
Frenchie being a homo is what made me quit
I'm good with it ending. Not really shocked at anything anymore. Frenchie & Kimiko aren't getting together. I'm kind of over fighting the same battle of fighting Homelander. Soldier Boy is gone. I don't hate it or think it's bad now, but I've about had my fill of it. Antony Starr is still AMAZING though & deserves an award for his performance.
Frenchie and Hughie's parents subplots are boring and unnecessary and takes away screen time from more important plots.
@@user-uy1rg8td1vI’m tuned in for The Deep more than anything else tbh
It’s run into the same wall that GoT and TWD and even Breaking Bad eventually run into; shows that build their cred by presenting an illusion that ‘anyone can die and anything can happen’ eventually hit a point where it becomes obvious which people can’t die and what things can’t actually happen .
Yeah it’s time a main character dies if you ask me
I don't think breaking bad ever had that game of thrones/walking dead problem of constantly introducing tomato can characters for the meat grinder with a main cast with obvious plot armor, like did you even finish the show?
When has this show ever presented itself as anyone can die besides random supes?
It is a good thing it is ending as far as a TV show goes, it has to be an arc that ends. They can only go so far with Homelander/Butcher story, and Kripke has said that. I was hoping S4 would have been the last, but as long as it has an ending planned.
Season 3 kinda killed it for me, they had a perfect chance to kill homelander and they choose the dumbest actions to keep him alive, it's clear the writers dont want to upset the status quo, every season ends the same
In fairness, no Homelander means no The Boys. But I see your point, if that is the case just don't so many fake outs.
@@aidan9266yea they just shouldn’t have put themselves in that situation to begin with
just curious, who would you want to be the villain after homelanders death? hes arguably the only interesting part left in the show since the boys havent done a single thing in the last few seasons
Amazon has to keep making money
Yeah fam crazy how billy and hugh hasn't died yet, considering how much honelander hates them, it doesn't read as dark and realistic anymore, it's a kid show with dicks and blood💀
I dropped off... about fifteen minutes into the first episode of the new season. I woke up mid-way through episode 2. Great cure for insomnia.
Lol, me too.
I was surprised by how much I did not care about Hughie and Starlights storylines. I remember really enjoying Jack Quaid as a fish-out-of-water character in season 1, but I've been steadily becoming more frustrated with the character and actor. The way he delivers his lines irks me. I kept wanting to fast forward past anything with the two of them.
literally same, i skipped his scenes in the last couple episodes, especially with starlight. When they are onscreen together some kind of charisma blackhole opens up and the show starts to grate on my nerves,
Erin Moriarty looking so much different than when the show started is also just uncanny.
I actually like the theory that butchers powers are like homelanders because he fucking hates him so much
That’s a good point because when Butcher talks about taking Temp-V he said it turns him into more of *him*
He hates Homelander so much that he might even be a little jealous of his powers
I dont care about hughie, starlight, frenchie or kimiko character arc and their trauma, focus should be on how to stop homelander and his crew
Bro said “I don’t care about the characters, only plot”
@@donovan4222 the characters just aren’t that interesting
Boring way to approach a story.
@@doug176 Maybe marvel shows are more your speed then? a slow paced character study about characters you don’t like may not be for you
@@donovan4222 then why is better call saul one of my favorite shows? The boys is not a slow paced character study lol
It's a miracle it lasted this long. I think The Boys would've been an absolutely brilliant show if it wrapped up in maybe 1 - 3 seasons. There's only so long you can drag on a show where the premise is "kill Superman" without killing Superman. It really struck me when Soldier Boy was incapacitated at the end of Season 3 because I realised we'd had two consecutive seasons where the core plot involved a new supe arriving, fucking with Homelander, and then disappearing in the finale.
Homelander should have died in season 3 and they should be dealing with the consequences in season 4, but instead they are just going around in circles
They will drop in views if Homelander dies but I also think that we didnt reach the peak of Homelander in season 3. My problem with season 4 is that plotlines are too disjointed and there is no main plot...idk maybe after 3 episode it will peak up the pace
They need to stop running in place to avoid killing him, yes. But going two seasons more after killing the best actor of the show is absolutely not the path.
Died or at least lost his powers. Yeah it sucks. Every season they just ignore all the crazy shit that occurred before.
I feel like the fans who say this just really wanted Homelander to die, and that’s understandable, but we all know that’s going to happen at the end of the show and there is more to explore with him and his son/butcher…so why do that? The boys trying to navigate their schemes around Homelander is a huge part of what makes the show interesting, and having him just die in season 3 would have ended up feeling very unsatisfying and incomplete.
@@taters9722 that's even better actually. a powerless Homelander would be interesting.
Of all the absurd things in The Boys the most unbelieveable is how Hughie is still alive. That plot armour is tougher than Homelander.
I watched the first 3 seasons as they aired, but I just do not care about this one. If season 4 was set to be the finale I probably would be watching, but with the addition of the spin off and each of the previous seasons just re-setting to the boys escaping homelander with a "ill get you next time!" I just don't care anymore. In parodying the superhero franchise, it has become a superhero franchise. I'm sure it's still good, I just lost interest
No problem with not liking the show, but “I want Homelander to die and it’s taking too long!” Feels like a pretty lazy criticism. The boys has never been a show about killing Homelander, it’s more about all of the characters dealing with their traumas with the superhero stuff as just a tool to make that more interesting.
@donovan4222 I never said I didn't like the show. I just lost interest because I believe the show is retreading the same territory over and over again. After season 1 I never truly believed any of the main characters were ever in danger, both the ones in the boys and the seven. Just feel like nothing in the show is fresh, it's just plodding along with the same things as before. I think a great comparison is the show Doom Patrol on HBO, where I think the quality is there, but towards the end of the show it was time to wrap it up. When the characters are still getting over their trauma and problems from season 1 in season 4 I start to lose interest despite the quality
@@donovan4222 who are you quoting!
@@ecg22201 Haven’t seen Doom Patrol so can’t comment on that, but from a plot perspective look how much has changed since season 1….
Stillwell is dead, Homelander has started a cult and taken over the company, Maeve has switched sides, Butcher and Hughies relationship has completely changed, same with Hughie and Starlight…both of which are totally different characters now, there is a secret supe running for president with her own agenda, Homelander is grooming a son who is also connected to Butcher, A train is becoming increasing disillusioned with Vought, there’s multiple new heroes…
@@donovan4222lol its not a lazy criticism. The final episode of season 3 was massively disappointing because it became clear the writers did Not have the guts to take the risks that were set up in that season. Maeve somehow survived tackling soldier boy mid explosion, soldier boy survived and is "saved for later" homelander got away, and the boys are all good. The finale decided to accomplish nothing because the writers or the producers were too afraid to do anything drastic, which is probably the worst thing a show can do. There were also quite a few stupid moments in that finale like maeve just fighting homelander who had always been perceived as way more of a threat and stabbing him with a pencil? Ryans arc also got super messy
Homelander cant see through ZINC, not lead. Most ventilation systems have a zinc lining
Maybe it turns out I only care about this show for superficial reasons, but I honestly don't give a shit about Hughie, Frenchie, MM, or even Butcher anymore. I'm legitimately more interested to see A-Train and the Deep fucking around, and of course Homelander steals the show.
yeah its like there is a different show runner for homelander parts than the other characters. Like if homelander isnt in the scene its trash, it was great all around before, I dont know what happened.
They're still spinning their wheels but the novelty has worn off.
Show has been hard confirmed to end with season 5. They aren’t spinning their wheels. If they didn’t have an end in sight I’d agree but they do. This ain’t spinning wheels. It’s more character and story building for the upcoming finale.
@@AnimatedTerror it's hardly character and story building when they're retreading ground from the same old character arcs. Thank God they're actually gonna have to move the story forward and end it cause their current pace is getting old.
I wouldn't mind if Frenchie died this season. His plot lines have not been engaging since Lamplighter was still alive
I agree, plus he’s an IDF soldier so they should find any way they can to stay far as possible away from him.
@@donovan4222how is he and IDF soldier? And you act like thats a bad thing
@@donovan4222so he’s a real life hero, and not some loser like yourself?
@@leonrussell9607have you seen the news recently in Gaza?
@@jonatanedgren9522 yeah, they launched a huge terrorist attack against Israel and are facing rightful resistance
The writers are focusing less on writing a proper story with a clear ending in my mind, and basing so many of the things that happen in the show based on what happens in real life. The show seems to dependent on real events, and less on what would be best for the characters
I feel like knowing this is the second to last season, they added a few unnecessary side stories that aren't going to further the narrative at all.
Frenchie and Colin is just a massively out of left field. Why now and not 2 seasons ago?
Was anyone that interested in Hughie and his mum? Why not have hughie looking after butcher?
I assume they’re adding these characters to they can kill them off , so that the main ones can have complete arcs without relying on more of the other major characters deaths. It’s an easy way of dodging this, but I would’ve preferred them to keep it simple
@@christopherlyndsay8611 yeah I think so as well. I feel like you could of had Homelander kill of Hughie's dad and Frenchie's old friend who has black hair and made it more impactful.
Yes, I am interested in Hughie and his mom. It's been mentioned a bunch of times during the show to the point where Annie thought his mom was dead. It's where his obsession for Billie Joel comes from, meaning it informs us more of his character to have this storyline.
@@blinkachu5275 I would of been interested 2 seasons ago, but with 13 episodes in total left, I feel like it's a bit too late for it to be developed. 90% sure the mum is just going to get fridged by episode 7.
Frenchie and Kimiko's arcs are very obvious and I'm not sure why people are confused. Kimiko has decided that they'll never be in a relationship, but it's clear that only they can help each other with their baggage this season. Them realizing that should finally push them into a romantic relationship.
"Hello... Newman."
I wish they would stop adding more backstory to Frenchie, it's becoming ridiculous how they don't know what to do with that character for the past 2 seasons so they keep contriving reasons for him to do side quests mostly unrelated to anything.
This is one criticism I definitely agree with. The show has had no idea what to do with Frenchie and Kimiko, and while they aren’t bad characters, they kind of feel like distractions from the better plots.
I’ve found most of the criticisms of this season to be pretty stupid but I think the one thing I’ll agree with is frenchies relevance to the plot. I love him, he’s a great character acted well but he’s had so little contribution to the plot. I don’t even think he needs to die but just take a back seat.
Why they made frenchie bisexual this season ?
@@udaysingh-wr2kwit was ironically probably studio mandated. Haha. But whatever doesn’t hurt his character. Just wish they maybe set up what they’re doing with him a bit better.
@@udaysingh-wr2kw To distract from the fact that he’s an IDF soldier
Its only 3 episodes so far so I'm not gonna pre judge it, but honestly the most interesting parts are seeing that Homelander is possibly aging and A-Train's redemption arc which I hope doesn't end with Homelander frying his brains out
This season is just "My past has caught up to me, I must kill it or accept it."
That ain't a bad theme tho
What's wrong with that?
Sounds like a good theme
"Some people consider their listeners family. [pause]. Not me. I don't." is actually a very sane thing to say and I respect that.
Diminishing returns of The Boys' shock value aside, Mother's Milk's disappearing/reappearing moustache is driving me absolutely batty.
Is that why he looks weird this season? I thought he’d been on the ozempic or something
@fionamowat9637 there's that too. However the beard is gone and then his moustache has been all over the shop. In episode 2, it's there one scene, gone the next and then back again. The action scene where it disappears is obviously a re-shoot, but the carelessness with the continuity is shocking. It's like Tommy Wiseau directed the episode.
My current problem is that the power balance refuses to change.
Homelander is STILL the biggest possible big bad who's only ever been in true peril basically once.
It feels more like the Injustice comics now. And that's not a compliment.
They need Dwayne to come and change the balance of power
16:08 one touch I liked - everyone in Vought says Sister Sage is the smartest woman in the world and she corrects them. But The Boys always call her the smartest person in the world
The internet has made it where 2 random Australian movie reviewers know about a small district senator from Rome GA. That’s crazy.
I’m not sure why but I feel like one way they could’ve made this season feel more cohesive at this point would be to combine Frenchie and kimikos arc into one.
So far I am liking season 4 but am glad it is heading to an end. Series without an end normally keep going till ratings drop off.
Exactly. If it was spinning it’s wheels with no end in sight then yeah this would suck.
But they’ve got an ending coming soon. I can forgive a lot more because of that.
I actually enjoy it. Sage has been my favorite character this season, her dynamic with Homelander/Vought is super interesting, and I like how Homelander is crazy, but smart enough to know that he needs to have someone on his team who isn’t just a “yes man.”
@donovan4222 I enjoy it too but having an ending makes every series that has a story better. The only series that don't need an ending have self contained episodes.
For sure. Could ypu imagine if they had to introduce like, a super homelander or something? I know this world is full of superheroes but eventually they will run out of interesting powers/dynamics to pull on.
16:34 In episode 4 we finally see that she can be "temporarily lobotomized" for about two hours, but her brain immediately regenerates. So her brain is sort of impervious, even if her body isn't.
Anthony Starr has learnt the lesson taught by Michael Keaton/Jack Nicholson - don't bulk up if you're going to wear a superhero suit. Nobody can see it and you get less space to move.
I don’t think it’s dipped, there’s a lot of characters and storylines going on so I think I might feel a little bit spread out but I’m sure as the season goes on and will all come together
It definitely has dipped. Separate from the retreading plot lines and feeling like the show us purposely running in place. The dialogue feels less creative and feels more forced. The amount of characters now being sarcastic/quippy/having edgy lines feels increased and not in a good way. Feels more full parody than satire now.
@@fullmetalb5241alright let’s not pretend this show hasn’t always suffered from some of these problems.
Listen homelanders about to snap, butcher has a literal expiration date and the shows hard confirmed ending with season 5. If this bit in season 4 is the worst it gets then that’s a pretty good show.
At least they aren’t spinning their wheels like supernatural, walking dead, lost, once upon a time or any number of other good shows gone bad due to lack of direction and with no end in sight.
It’s still decent but it could have been a bit more focused. The sideline stories are pretty weak and don’t help much with the progression.
Sage has enhanced regeneration as shown in the hero profiles in episode 1. Which are hilarious if you pause it to read them
Sitting on the couch vegging out is wild 😂
Homelander's super smell was coverrd in a previous season after Maeve slept with Butcher. He smelled Butcher on her
I think my favourite thing about Season 4 so far is how specifically they’re theming action sequences. I love that they commit to a sequence of Homelander inadvertently killing some ice-skaters, or watching a naked Shakespearean actor get bludgeoned by Karl Urban. That’s a lot of fun, I like that
Thats my main problem tbh. Feels like they undercut any action by just playing off gore shock value. Like the skate scene is a 3 stooges bit after the first skater gets cut in half.
They also set it up super poorly ya gonna tell me a spotlight is brighter than lasers coming out you're eyes?💀
@@dariuszupan8145I feel like that’s always been the approach they take to action tho. When I think of fight scenes in The Boys, there’s two categories to me: A punch up, like Stormfront Vs The Girls or the Herogasm fight and the more absurd instances, like Noir killing the terrorists or Soldier Boy in the flashback sequence. They’ve never really tried some Batman type choreography and I’m fine with them sticking to their cartoonish violence instead
All spectacle and no substance.
@@dariuszupan8145i’m pretty sure it was a reference to that one hockey player who died mid game
I love this show but it did lose me a bit in the ice rink scene, hughie should absolutely be dead, it’s crazy that he escaped homelander from that close up.
I didnt even realize the new season has started until i was looking for something to watch with my brother on vacation yesterday lol
I don't like suddenly having frenchie falling for some guy immediately. It's fine he's bi and all that but we actually don't get handicap people in relationships in media near as often as we get gay ones. They traded a rare one for something we see in damn near every show. Frenchie has hinted he's sexually open for a long time so again, I that's fine.
First 3 episodes just feels like a whole lot of nothing happened
Butcher is realizing he’s actually afraid of dying and may be able to save Ryan without any cia nonsense but also there are those willing to weaponize or kill his son if needs be and he’s realizing with what little time he has left he needs to make some seriously major choices and fast.
Homelander is talking about wiping the slate clean and comparing himself to ceaser and is attempting to sew enough discourse to start a civil war that he can end and proclaim himself the savior of humanity all while he’s clearly on the verge of a final mental breakdown.
A train is finally at a crossroads and being confronted by homelanders decline into madness he will soon have to choose who’s side he is really on.
Hughie is realizing that his commitment to the boys has cost him his relationship with his father and now he may be trying to rekindle his relationship with his mother before he is left truly alone.
Ryan is stuck with the powers of a god while homelander turns him into a little psychopath but Ryan still has his memories of his upbringing with his mom and is conflicted by what he knows is right vs what he’s being told is right.
Starlight is getting over her disenfranchisement with superhero culture as she realizes that despite “knowing how the sausage is made” and how things work behind the scenes, she can still use her starlight persona to be a truly positive force in the world and a real superhero.
Listen there are characters that aren’t doing much. (I love frenchie but it’s clear they don’t know what to do with him.) but let’s not pretend that nothing has been happening because plenty has been set up dude.
How many times can Butcher say he's leaving and then comes back 2 minutes later. It also feels like they are going for shock value
I think the biggest problem mainly with season 3 was they did so good building up the storyline and were unable to deliver a spectacle type battle due to budget.
I'd say definitely so, the first three episodes of this season felt so weak for a few reasons. Everyone I've spoken to about them has kind of felt the same way.
That’s crazy because imo the first three episodes of season four for me was was way better than seasons 2 and 3
Personally I’d say the only problems the episodes had were pacing. The trial was over veeery fast, but the writing overall was great imo
@@christopherlyndsay8611 can't agree on the writing, it felt very poor for those three episodes.
It’s almost like there are more episodes that we haven’t seen yet. People are acting like they’ve seen the whole season already
@@ayjay579Nobody’s judging the whole season, they’re judging the episodes we have available right now. They’re not gonna retroactively become better when we get more episodes
Anyone else notice the editing was often lower quality this season? Scenes were often ending before it felt like conversations were completed, jumps from set to set with the same characters were jarring, and sometimes there were edits that just didn't fit the level of drama in the scene.
YES the editing seems jumpy and jarring and the writing is just horrible, why do they have to do this to us?! I won’t ever forgive them haha
No, I haven't noticed that. It still feels like the Boys to me
Someone pointed out on instagram that Homelander mentions in a previous season that he can’t see through zinc, and that most air ducts are apparently made of galvanized steel which commonly incorporates zinc into the alloy i guess.
My problem with the show was in season 3, when Starlight was being an idiot throughout while the show itself made it seem like Hughie was in the wrong.
Starlight tries to fight Soldier Boy multiple times in season 3, right? But Hughie stops her every time before the finale. At the end it feels like the writers are trying to tell us that Hughie is in the wrong. But was he?
Annie fighting SB would have been suicide. Soldier Boy is nearly as strong as Homelander and Homelander has made it clear that he could rip Starlight in half without breaking a sweat. What was she going to do, exactly? Even if she could somehow go toe to toe with SB, how was she planning on dealing with his ability to nuke himself and depower every supe around?
What happens when she finally gets her chance to fight SB? She powers up more than she ever has before, hits him with her mega blast...and all it does is knock him over and daze him slightly. Wow. Way to prove Hughie right.
I get what they were going for. Hughie got powers and felt like he needed to protect his girlfriend even though she's been doing a very good job of protecting herself. It's (supposed to be) toxic masculinity with good intentions, I get it. But fellas, is it toxic to stop your SO from trying to box a moving freight train? They could be the CEO of a massive company, the best MMA fighter in the world and be the world's greatest fire fighter all at the same time; it doesn't matter. They ain't winning a fight against that train. It's suicide and you'd be right to stop them.
Season 3 still has plenty of good but when 2 of the main characters are complete morons (I didn't even talk about MM trying to fight Soldier Boy) it really brings the whole show down.
The ice skate massacre in Episode 3 was pure TV magic, it had me and my roommates howling!
As soon as I saw them rehearsing, I knew ... just, KNEW, that most of them were about to die. In over the top, hilarious ways. And that scene did not disappoint ...
1 minute ago is crazy
The problem The Boys is running into with the plausibility within the world is the Super are simply not dumb enough for them to be struggling so much to consolidate power. In the comics - which I'm glad they aren't following super closely - most of the Supes are complete morons and it makes sense they couldn't accomplish anything meaningful. On the show, the bigger problem is that most/none of them really want to be in charge, they just want to be able to live free of consequences.
I think Kessler is another hallucination of Butchers, the opposite of his wife... kinda like a angel/demon thing
The season 3 finale was a complete mess that made me believe they didnt know where to take it.
The start of s4 confirms that, making characters just suddenly either stupid op or way weaker than normal in a scene for no reason other than to cheaply raise and lower stakes.
Adding new characters that just are not interesting at all. The 'smartest' woman so far has just been a character with any kind of logical reasoning. Boring. Frenchies subplot is a mess. I dont care about Hughies mom, or fucking Firecracker. It just sucks.
One thing Im happy that they are doing this season is that A-trains moral struggles are finally paying off. I was waiting all of season 3 for him to find the balls to actually do something.. Instead both he and The Deep were just twiddling their thumbs for most of the season.
Yes.
No
I just got off work, I have a 40 minute commute back home, best relevant video to listen to. Let’s go
Wait, what happened to Jeffrey Dean Morgan's character? He was advertised in the trailer, but has had no more than five minutes of screen time so far.
No lol
It's been deopping since series 2. Feels like every time they get a way to kill the big bad, who is still a fucking monster, they find a way to back down from it so we can have more show.
Lost my interest knowing they cant get rid of Homelander, but always talk about how they want to stop him.
It’s the same as it ever was, dark, hilarious, raunchy, suspenseful and some real world commentary
This has aged like milk after episode 4
The villains have become too stupid and the violence is all comedy. Season 1 was honestly better because the good guys would die for making mistakes, the villains felt genuinely threatening, and the violence was more visceral and really scared you.
true, this season is like they changed editors and show runners, only homelander scenes are amazing and i think it might just be the actor since the rest of the show is crap
Season 1 was great and it’s kind of felt like nothing has really happened since then
Exactly. S1 was a perfect season. Season 2 and 3 had a lot of good and bad in it. Still enjoyable but not the same as S1.
Dam I better watch season 4 before everyone online starts retroactively saying it was bad.
@@donovan4222people pretending this is worse than it is. Nothings perfect but people are just making stuff up now.
What? A lot things has happened since season 1.
@@donovan4222 People will very soon, I saw some of it with season 3 and now it’s gonna happen with season 4, for the most part people’s criticisms are fair but others don’t make sense to me
After season 3 theres a obvious issue. Either they continue fail to kill homelander every season (boring) or forget about killing him and have the plot be about something else (defeat the purpose of the first 3 seasons). The show needs an grand finale and it as to be homlander dying.
The problem is absolute lack of advancement. All the main characters just juggle their positions and allegiances. While No one actually gets close to homelander and Huey and butcher survive everything. They just introduce new side characters to die each season.
Look at why Game of Thrones was popular in its heyday was because mains could die or make significant advancement against their enemies.
The show is losing stakes. Don’t get me wrong I’m still watching and enjoying, just hoping for some actual progress.
Pacing so bad, homelander still great
A faster God is honestly terrifying, God 1 already has broken stats.
I dno why, but i find it funny to use the word "laser" as a verb.
The Hero Card for Sage said she has light regeneration powers so the theory you guys got for her seems pretty spot on.
I’m not a person who’s offended by the political mirroring and I don’t consider myself liberal or conservative because American politics are a clown show in general, but I felt it was more subtle and honestly better written in the first three seasons. They’re much more focused on making political gotchas and it’s lazy. That whole convention episode and Firecracker’s character don’t serve much other than “Aren’t those conservatives so stupid, guys?”…I don’t know, feels tired.
You thought Stormfront was subtle? Idk why people keep saying this show is no longer subtle as if it's any different from previous seasons. Everyone I've seen making this criticism so far has been someone who turned out to be the type of conservative that the show makes fun of. You seem no different.
@@lolusuck386Stormfront might have not been subtle but she was certainly better written than anything I’ve seen so far in season 4. I just want more interesting stories, not a weekly episode of cable news drivel. Good try reaching that desperately to make me out to be on a certain side though👍
@@lolusuck386 the difference is before now it wasn't so literally "this character who supports a real politician from real life, is a nazi, ha lol, aren't I smart I'm calling people I dont like a nazi".
Stormfront was a literal nazi, but she worked for a company that they made fun of as being a parallel of Disney, and had the whole "pretending to be left wing" aspect to it. So it had some level of ambiguity.
Now it's literally just showing everyone who liked homeowner is a white supremacist gun nut.
The whole "he was defending himself" thing is a blatant parallel of things like the Kyle Rittenhouse case. Only that guy actually was defending himself from a convicted pee doh. No "conservative" would ever try to claim it's self defence for a god level super being to laser a guy's head off for having a cup thrown at him. They would want the guy throwing the cup to be arrested and charged appropriately.
It went from parody to blatantly one sided direct insults. At least for most of the first three episodes. The whole starlight actually being a terrible person in her past has some potential to balance it out but I don't see it balancing it out very much when you look how ridiculous they have gone with things like putting desantis stickers behind people.
They used to not use specific names at the very least.
@@ge2719 While I do agree it is getting less subtle, I also think that the American right is considerably easier to make fun of considering the whole Trump cult thing, ontop of the religious moralism... The most obvious left thing to make fun of is probably corporations pandering to minorities for social clout, but they have been doing that a ton already.
One thing that should perhaps even it out for you, is that Sister Sage is consistently shown to be very "woke" and anti-racist, but is also a manipulative psycho.
@@TakeJannerit's not a reach. You're not disproving anything I said, nor are you proving your point. You can't provide a single example of what you are talking about.
Can we simply say no 😂
This show with the premise of an elite underground group of fighters killing evil super heros has not had a single member of either group die in 4 seasons, excluding the very first episode and the joke character. Such interesting stakes, I’m sure something in the next five seasons.
Rumor has it there’s only one season left, but yeah I can see how the series could be played out if those rumors aren’t true
Mannnnn i miss this dude y’all ain’t come up on my feed in years good to be back!!!!