It’s a situational smoke it’s a normal site take and you have no idea how many enemies are on site just do the normal one if you know you have an advantage on site or already have site and looking to resmoke do the spawn one
@@xsomili5501 hes saying it because the person "feels stupid" when he shouldn't; meaning he didn't catch on to what tenz said about it being situational
It's only bad if you know for sure all the enemies are on the other site. If elbow hasn't been cleared yet and there could be a guy still in halls the default smoke is still better. It's not that big a deal in most situations, usually you want the default mostly because you assume there are players back hall. It's only really in situations where your site hit goes perfect and you clear everything so fast the players on the other site haven't even started rotating that this smoke is better. Otherwise if theres a guy back halls and you do this smoke then the guy holding CT has to worry about a peak from left or right. Generally smokes will go down before site is fully cleared as well. This would be a better re-smoke once everything is cleared. There's not only one way to do things, everything in this game is situational
@@Danyol23 the title and thumbnail are also misleading. Because it sounds like this smoke is bad. It's not bad, it was bad in this one situation. All of "default" smokes can be bad in one situation and all "bad" smokes can be good in the other. That's why playing controller is very hard with all those micro decisions, because smokes can make a huge impact on the outcome of the round
I also thought about that as an Omen main since my smokes are hollow but I still use the bad smoke because it was the default thing to do...Gotta get used to not smoking it like that then
Tenz explains that the smoke is situational. If you and/or your team have control on B, and you *know* all the enemies are on A, then you do this smoke. Otherwise default is fine
@@yubiyu4life That is true, When entering a site, default is fine and when doing a post plant then you don't want to do the default smoke as they will be able to go to elbow as tenz explained.
@@jeremydeveyra2462 This smoke is only good if all enemies are rotating through their base. If enemies are coming from long/window as well then it's easier to get flanked from this smoke opposed to default smoke, because this smoke gives the enemies coming from base cover (they can shoot from the door without entering site), whereas with default smoke if the enemies from base want to join the fight they're forced to enter the site So when we say "situational" - it's very situational
@yubiyu4life764 thank you for also noticing that, everyone's been telling me I'm now throwing the wrong smokes, and I've said it's only when we have control, while we are entering site at the start of the round it is horrible to throw that smoke
Thankyou for the advice, reached radiant in 3 minutes from iron2, got signed by a pro team making 60k per month, married the girl of my dreams. She left me as I was playing too much Val but all g, I smoke the right way now.
This is not bad smoke, it's just not optimal. The bad smoke we are talking about is like how enemy cypher using cage when entering site, that's the bad smoke. Don't confuse the low-mid elo about the word "bad smoke" because I'm also teaching my friend how to smoke.
In this 2 v 1 situation The brimstone now has access to 2 paths to enter the site from (and that just if you know he's coming from CT, which you dont) you went from having to defend 1 or 3 potential angles to defending 2 or 4(depending if you know theyre CT). Now isolating 1v1s for brim is a decent chunk easier. Ppl like to think smokers can do no wrong because they filled. Little things can throw rounds.
I do both smokes depending on situation. Nothing wrong with that. He could go elbow and you guys can still peek off each other. When the bomb is planted, makes it harder for the enemy to be elbow without making noise or the bomb explodes
@@BrokDoidao Either way if its a 2v1 its better to play together. Both players playing elbow is the worse possible scenario unless you wanna bait each other lol.
only if you know the enemy is rotating from A but otherwise you can still do that smoke and send someone elbow to hold. and if 1 v 1 just postplant and play mindgames
Also keep in mind this is a good smoke only if you are already on the site. The default smoke is good for taking the site especially if you don't know anyone is in elbow and you don't want to get insta headshot walking into Hookah
keynote "whenever you know you have control..." its clearly a situational smoke. No need to argue which smoke is better it all depends on the situation.
Idk, maybe is a lower elo thing but I myself had win 1v2 because enemy didn't smoke hall. With smokes I either have to wait, go elbow or use utility to push.
The smoke is 50/50 cause yes they can go elbow but at the same time if it’s smoked for spawn and one is planting . They could just flash thru and now you have no control over ct where as if you smoked default even if they flash out you can play anti so much easier and he has 3 angles to check straight away . Not just tube or hookah .
everything in the game is situational. in this case they knew the brim was deep ct and brim has no flashes, hence why the smoke is good. if it was a phoenix or skye or kayo or whatever, it would be different.
the smoke is good if u do the one he said, but the logic is bad about if u smoke spawn off instead of ct, since u can be anywhere on site, it is the same with the ct smoke u can be anywhere, the spawn smoke will work if ur more agro
Yeah you're exactly right, the best strategic approach is to smoke normally, and hold it together from different off angles, thats unloseable, if the opponent doesnt have a flash (like Brim didnt in this case). One of the cases where the deeper smoke is better is when you have an op, so you can hold and then a teammate swings on contact. In almost all other cases though he's wrong, and kinda shouldn't be saying nonsense like this like its a general fact. Theres a reason why we've never seen that deeper smoke in VCT, even when it is better, its not better enough to justify the adjustment that has to be made to play around it, it creates an opportunity for the opponent to isolate 1v1s easier and also clear site more easely. If you have an op holding the cross, dont smoke CT but smoke deeper, and thats about it.
you should realize that all pros go to the drawing board and the igl or coach explain what each role should do in many situations for 1 hours a day or something. so even as jett main he can pick most of the info and secrets when that happens.
This works if the team can kill the guys who sits at that spot. Most of the time my team gets one tapped from that spot so we smoke there to let us get into site.
I will smoke CT because what if some one is allready in the hallway? He can peek from the not smoked side and your team is gonne be suprised because they will lock down smoke.
In before mid-low elo players start using this smoke with zero site control and enemies inside the halls. Theres no right or wrong. Entirely situational. Stop playing by the book, we need to think while we play Also, what tenz suggests here is absolutely right, its just that its nothing "genius". Its literally the basics of smoking. "Smoke to your advantage", "smokes so you can hold their push"
it depends on situation, if the full site is cleared thats the smoke to use, else if you are taking site with people in it, the normal smoke is good enough
To be clear, you shouldn't do this on normal site hits because it lets the rotators fight from ct to help the people on site. You should only do this smoke when site and elbow are already clear
Shit title, the smoke is only bad in that one situation where they already have elbow. It is still good on entry. This could confuse ppl who just read this out of context.
L take imo, the Brim would still need shift round to elbow (which wastes time making it easier for attackers to play time) or face making loads of noise and bring the attention of the attackers back to elbow). The other option is to obviously swing out and hope to win against a cross fire from the attackers. Idk bout this one…
I respectfully disagree with you. Brim would have a more difficult time getting onto site with the smoke tenz suggested, because he would be forced to either swing out of it or waste time clearing close angles and angles on site. And how would he shift across to the elbow if astra and gekko had held it?
@@simplificatedd This smoke is very situational, it banks on majority/all of the enemies rotating through base. If that's not the case, default should be better. If enemies are coming from long/window as well then it's easier to get flanked using this smoke opposed to default smoke, because this smoke gives the enemies coming from base cover (they can shoot from the door without entering site), whereas with default smoke if the enemies from base want to join the fight they're forced to enter the site or walk through elbow where you can hear them. The 2v1 swing you mentioned is good, but if you're expecting only 1 enemy from base then you dedicate 2 people to 1 chokepoint, weakening long/window as a result
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As a smokes player I appreciate that tip. Didn’t even think of I like that, now I feel stupid.
It’s a situational smoke it’s a normal site take and you have no idea how many enemies are on site just do the normal one if you know you have an advantage on site or already have site and looking to resmoke do the spawn one
@@JoeCooll tenz already said it's for when you already have control of the site
would be even better if we smoke the spawn
@Trin1tyVAL what rank are you now? Curious, knowing that you want to be pro
@@xsomili5501 hes saying it because the person "feels stupid" when he shouldn't; meaning he didn't catch on to what tenz said about it being situational
It's only bad if you know for sure all the enemies are on the other site. If elbow hasn't been cleared yet and there could be a guy still in halls the default smoke is still better. It's not that big a deal in most situations, usually you want the default mostly because you assume there are players back hall. It's only really in situations where your site hit goes perfect and you clear everything so fast the players on the other site haven't even started rotating that this smoke is better. Otherwise if theres a guy back halls and you do this smoke then the guy holding CT has to worry about a peak from left or right. Generally smokes will go down before site is fully cleared as well. This would be a better re-smoke once everything is cleared.
There's not only one way to do things, everything in this game is situational
That's a given. The context in the video was clear, they knew brim was CT and hasn't crossed yet.
@@AllGoodsGee Lots of people in the comments are taking it at face value and thinking this replaces the default smoke is the only reason I said it
@@Danyol23 the title and thumbnail are also misleading. Because it sounds like this smoke is bad. It's not bad, it was bad in this one situation. All of "default" smokes can be bad in one situation and all "bad" smokes can be good in the other. That's why playing controller is very hard with all those micro decisions, because smokes can make a huge impact on the outcome of the round
The OP title is the one that generalizing
Literally said "if you're in control of the site"
Ty for clipping this I never thought about the proper way of smoking that in this situation
I also thought about that as an Omen main since my smokes are hollow but I still use the bad smoke because it was the default thing to do...Gotta get used to not smoking it like that then
Tenz explains that the smoke is situational. If you and/or your team have control on B, and you *know* all the enemies are on A, then you do this smoke. Otherwise default is fine
@@yubiyu4life That is true, When entering a site, default is fine and when doing a post plant then you don't want to do the default smoke as they will be able to go to elbow as tenz explained.
@@jeremydeveyra2462 This smoke is only good if all enemies are rotating through their base.
If enemies are coming from long/window as well then it's easier to get flanked from this smoke opposed to default smoke, because this smoke gives the enemies coming from base cover (they can shoot from the door without entering site), whereas with default smoke if the enemies from base want to join the fight they're forced to enter the site
So when we say "situational" - it's very situational
@yubiyu4life764 thank you for also noticing that, everyone's been telling me I'm now throwing the wrong smokes, and I've said it's only when we have control, while we are entering site at the start of the round it is horrible to throw that smoke
Since they know the enemy is on A, it should be common sense to have the smoke blocking spawn.
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Ahh yes, give the enemy a way to easily cross, letting them surprise you and win the round
Common sense ain't so common no more
bro when you're famous can you please remember me??
Thankyou for the advice, reached radiant in 3 minutes from iron2, got signed by a pro team making 60k per month, married the girl of my dreams. She left me as I was playing too much Val but all g, I smoke the right way now.
This is not bad smoke, it's just not optimal. The bad smoke we are talking about is like how enemy cypher using cage when entering site, that's the bad smoke. Don't confuse the low-mid elo about the word "bad smoke" because I'm also teaching my friend how to smoke.
Firstly he's talking to radiants but this is objectively a bad smoke
In this 2 v 1 situation The brimstone now has access to 2 paths to enter the site from (and that just if you know he's coming from CT, which you dont) you went from having to defend 1 or 3 potential angles to defending 2 or 4(depending if you know theyre CT). Now isolating 1v1s for brim is a decent chunk easier. Ppl like to think smokers can do no wrong because they filled. Little things can throw rounds.
@@akhwalters9784no, this is not a bad smoke, althought it's not the best one either
I do both smokes depending on situation. Nothing wrong with that. He could go elbow and you guys can still peek off each other. When the bomb is planted, makes it harder for the enemy to be elbow without making noise or the bomb explodes
No lol. If you have elbow control it is strictly worse to do that smoke shown in the game lmfao
@@BrokDoidao Either way if its a 2v1 its better to play together. Both players playing elbow is the worse possible scenario unless you wanna bait each other lol.
only if you know the enemy is rotating from A but otherwise you can still do that smoke and send someone elbow to hold. and if 1 v 1 just postplant and play mindgames
love ur clips
Also keep in mind this is a good smoke only if you are already on the site. The default smoke is good for taking the site especially if you don't know anyone is in elbow and you don't want to get insta headshot walking into Hookah
bros right, i had already examined that smoke in previous games many months ago
keynote "whenever you know you have control..." its clearly a situational smoke. No need to argue which smoke is better it all depends on the situation.
Idk, maybe is a lower elo thing but I myself had win 1v2 because enemy didn't smoke hall. With smokes I either have to wait, go elbow or use utility to push.
The smoke is 50/50 cause yes they can go elbow but at the same time if it’s smoked for spawn and one is planting . They could just flash thru and now you have no control over ct where as if you smoked default even if they flash out you can play anti so much easier and he has 3 angles to check straight away . Not just tube or hookah .
everything in the game is situational. in this case they knew the brim was deep ct and brim has no flashes, hence why the smoke is good. if it was a phoenix or skye or kayo or whatever, it would be different.
@@yunkailmonz1692 thank you for explaining my point . It’s the title that is misleading .
the smoke is good if u do the one he said, but the logic is bad about if u smoke spawn off instead of ct, since u can be anywhere on site, it is the same with the ct smoke u can be anywhere, the spawn smoke will work if ur more agro
I think the point is that it achieves the aforementioned properties without letting them cross.
The logic isn’t the same. Allowing them to go elbow lets the clear things more methodically.
Yeah you're exactly right, the best strategic approach is to smoke normally, and hold it together from different off angles, thats unloseable, if the opponent doesnt have a flash (like Brim didnt in this case).
One of the cases where the deeper smoke is better is when you have an op, so you can hold and then a teammate swings on contact.
In almost all other cases though he's wrong, and kinda shouldn't be saying nonsense like this like its a general fact. Theres a reason why we've never seen that deeper smoke in VCT, even when it is better, its not better enough to justify the adjustment that has to be made to play around it, it creates an opportunity for the opponent to isolate 1v1s easier and also clear site more easely. If you have an op holding the cross, dont smoke CT but smoke deeper, and thats about it.
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@@Trollllium though it doesn't prevent a peek from the left side of hall
That's true but that depends on how you take advantage of the angles the enemy team has no information of
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i am aware it is a situtional smoke but for him knowing how some smokes differ and their benefits is what baffles me since hes mainly a duelist
I mean he is a pro player and he prob learned that from scrims and other players. He is just sharing knowledge.
you should realize that all pros go to the drawing board and the igl or coach explain what each role should do in many situations for 1 hours a day or something. so even as jett main he can pick most of the info and secrets when that happens.
well jett uses smoke
he's a pro player bro and has been playing since beta i would hope he knows the other roles
This works if the team can kill the guys who sits at that spot. Most of the time my team gets one tapped from that spot so we smoke there to let us get into site.
damn, didnt even think of that
Smoke Hall or CT is situational, imo. But lesson noted
I will smoke CT because what if some one is allready in the hallway? He can peek from the not smoked side and your team is gonne be suprised because they will lock down smoke.
Ahhh yeah yeah yeah, thanks tenz for info
I never smoke there i put suck
In before mid-low elo players start using this smoke with zero site control and enemies inside the halls.
Theres no right or wrong. Entirely situational. Stop playing by the book, we need to think while we play
Also, what tenz suggests here is absolutely right, its just that its nothing "genius". Its literally the basics of smoking. "Smoke to your advantage", "smokes so you can hold their push"
Im sure the astra konws that but he rush to put down the star
yk whats funny i got yelled by my teammate for this smoke in diamond lobby the other day and they didn't even try to listen to my reasoning 😅
In low elo, i get called trash by teammates for using that smoke :/
it depends on situation, if the full site is cleared thats the smoke to use, else if you are taking site with people in it, the normal smoke is good enough
@@LoneBeastYT the normal smoke is better on a normal site hit because it doesnt let rotators shoot you from ct
@@olopaxx as I said...if the full site is clear (including ct)
@@LoneBeastYT its better, not "good enough"
@@olopaxx if you really wanna just be nitpicky over this, be my guest
I ve stated my point and I believe it's enough to convey what I meant
Been doing it out of common sense. Guess I was at least doing something right even though I'm silver at best lol
To be clear, you shouldn't do this on normal site hits because it lets the rotators fight from ct to help the people on site. You should only do this smoke when site and elbow are already clear
Situational smoke
I think this is "obvious" actually, but simply I'm not good enough and "cold" enough in-game to do that fast.
4 mins agioooo!!!
I am down to see how good he is with a controller
he used viper a lot before
Wait, you actually have a smoker?
As a omen main i just oneway the shit out of CT spawn
Logical smokes are the best...
Shit title, the smoke is only bad in that one situation where they already have elbow. It is still good on entry. This could confuse ppl who just read this out of context.
CT/spawn
finally! i got flamed for doing it
L take imo, the Brim would still need shift round to elbow (which wastes time making it easier for attackers to play time) or face making loads of noise and bring the attention of the attackers back to elbow). The other option is to obviously swing out and hope to win against a cross fire from the attackers. Idk bout this one…
I respectfully disagree with you. Brim would have a more difficult time getting onto site with the smoke tenz suggested, because he would be forced to either swing out of it or waste time clearing close angles and angles on site. And how would he shift across to the elbow if astra and gekko had held it?
But now the attackers have to watch 2 angles, forcing 2 1v1s, making the smoke tenz is talking about forces a 2v1
@@daniellujan2840 yea, a good point too
@@daniellujan2840 they can just play in elbow and wait for the tap and double swing
@@simplificatedd This smoke is very situational, it banks on majority/all of the enemies rotating through base. If that's not the case, default should be better.
If enemies are coming from long/window as well then it's easier to get flanked using this smoke opposed to default smoke, because this smoke gives the enemies coming from base cover (they can shoot from the door without entering site), whereas with default smoke if the enemies from base want to join the fight they're forced to enter the site or walk through elbow where you can hear them.
The 2v1 swing you mentioned is good, but if you're expecting only 1 enemy from base then you dedicate 2 people to 1 chokepoint, weakening long/window as a result
Isn't that common sense?
Honestly nothing worse than a controller who doesnt ACTUALLY know smokes
jett one trick giving smoke tips 😅😅
this better be ajoke
Tenz being a smartass again
hes just giving tips bro... how can u hate on him for that
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Situational smoke