Yeah, it's tricky. I have the original, 6" Perry. I usually wear a 9.5 in most Keen's for example. I got the Perry in 9D, it's a snug fit, but IF I worked in them I suspect the leather would stretch out more. I tried 3 different White's Boots with a steel toe, none of them fit well, sent them all back.
@@marzcapone9939 Thanks for the information. The website recommends sizing down. However, based on the video and feedback like yours, that might not be completely accurate. Thanks again.
@@MrLlama999 Not as wide, I find Keen are very wide in the toe. The Perry is snug, I can see my big toe and the other side of my foot pressing against the leather. Plenty of length for my toes.
This is the biggest problem when it comes to ordering and waiting 6 months. I do it and it’s just a crap shoot man. You can’t be afraid to send them back. But if they are MTO you’re kind of screwed. I don’t understand why sizing for the Pacific Northwest boot makers are so varied! Just seems like they need unified. And don’t get me started about Viberg, who are my absolute favorites. It’s really aggravating
It would be cool to interview a foot doctor on the mystery of shoe sizes. To examine the variables (flat foot, high arch, toe shape/angle, etc) that determine how a shoe fits. I’m a brannock 10.5 D but had to go a full size up (11.5) and got a EE width for my 8 inch regular Perry.
yeah this is me too I think. my foot size is 8 I tried 7.5 twice nicks and whites both times the boot didnt bend in the right spot if I put my foot against the wall im a 9 because of my heel the brannock doesn't come in contact with my heel it juts out slightly. also by nicks standards im a ff in 8 while brannock says im a 8 ee/ e. doesn't account that my foot is just big everywhere. never noticed discomfort at 9 ee. I have to wear 9ee for cowboy boots but even then my instep is still pushing it. 9ee whites perry select seem to be fine instep hurt for a minute but it feels snug. people treat the brannock like the holy grail and if you say its wrong for you the whole shoe community treat you like real snooty
Started looking into buying the Perry select about a week ago and looked EVERYWHERE for this video haha glad to know I wasn’t crazy cause it didn’t exist yet.
As a boot noob this was helpful in a different way than a typical Rose Anvil video on the main channel. With those standard videos you learn mostly about construction and materials, but here there was a lot more talk about sizing and comfort and break in and how a leather insole feels (because honestly you don't get full thick leather insoles until $300+ I think...) Always curious how those feel since I only have tried Thursdays (Presidents) with plenty of poron in the insole. I really like the idea of a boot constructed with leather all the way in the sole including the shank, so this boot is one of the lower cost options that almost have that (I like the idea of more leather in place of the cork). Just wish it was a more service boot standard look rather than moc toe. Personal preference I guess. I also like the idea of the wedge sole, I primarily wear shoes on concrete in the city walking around doing daily tasks. Have onry tried the typical heel style common in many service boots.
I wish the PNW boot companies would just publish the mondo sizes and a measurement of what they actually make the widths.... they make all the footbeds the same. I don't know why it is so hard.
yes exactly, mondo is the way to go. Ski boots are at most .5 sizes apart (26.5 on one brand 27 on another) and it's easy to tell the heel widths apart as most companies use the same heel and midsole for a single size. It makes sizing so miuch easier and is far more accurate when youre spending $500-800 on ski boots, which is a similar price rantge to PNW heritage boots. Just give us the internal length, the metatarsal width, and the overall toe shape, and let us decide!!
This video now makes so much sense. On the Hey Dude video, Weston complained of his foot slipping forward, and when he showed the video of him walking, I said “well the shoes too damn big!” 😂 Now I understand. Love the sizing talk
I order all my custom Whites from Bakers. I have 10+ pairs and they are all 10D. My left foot measures 11 on the Brannock and my right foot measures a hair over 10.5. The best advice I can give you is to outline your feet and send in the required measurements. The guys at Bakers will take care of you. Keep in mind that different lasts will fit differently. You may not be the same size in all of their lasts. I wear a 9.5E in their MP last.
i've spent a full year trying to figure out sizing for both Whites and Nicks. My brannock size is a 8.5EE so I originally got 8EE Whites Perrys (non select version) because everyone said to do 1/2 size down, thought they fit decent but the heel slip was annoying, figured I just needed to break them in more. After a year, the heel slip really never went away but i added an insole and it's helped a lot. After watching this video a few months ago, I ordered a pair of Perry Selects in 7.5D to see if those would fit better (not sure why I went with D width honestly but I did), they absoutley did not lol they were way to tight so I returned them. Decided to give it 1 more try and went with a 7.5EE in the Perry Selects... they are absolutely incredible fit. ZERO heel slip, but also not like cramped or anything. I'm very excited to break these in. So, for me, going down a full size for the Perry Selects was the right move. If you want some more confusion, I also have a pair of whites semi dress and those are size 8F and fit great lol idk man, i hate the sizing guessing game. Thanks for listening to my TED talk hah
because i hear too many misconceptions about this: objectively (in an orthopedic sense) a good fit in a boot means it's snug behind the joint (at the metatarsals and around the heel, where you lace it in place tightly, so it holds your foot and supports your arch and ankle), just slightly hugging the ball area (WHITHOUT squishing but so that it doesn't slide around) and roomy at the toes to give them space. and off course the insole should resemble your joint positions and the shape of your foot as good as possible.
Im a 10 on brannock and went down to a 9 EE. They fit VERY snug with their insole and it screws up my heel as well. BUT once I took the insole off and put in a super thin one I had, my heel felt way better and the shoe fit better.
Hi Ónix. In hindsight, are you glad you got the 9EE or would a 9.5 have been the best choice? Thank you. I’m in the market for these but it’s such a toss up with sizes/ wait times.
@@shakebake2680 I’m hindsight I would’ve gotten a 9EEE instead of 9EE if I wanted to use their insole, but I enjoy the boot without an insole. I also have pretty wide feet and the length was fine, I’m Sure 9.5 EE would’ve probably fit better with an insolE though.
great video! Ordered a pair with White's Fathers Day sale and with all the orders coming in it'll be another few weeks before they come in. Have a pair of White's Hiker I got years ago so I'm assuming the sizing is about the same as those. Looking forward to trying them out. Can't get a group of guys together without a bunch of jokes slipping in......if you know what I mean.
its crazy how i own a bunch of boots but half of them dont fit me because theres no consistency to the sizing. Ordering boots online is such a gamble ha
Just to help people out, I'm a 10.5 EE on the branock, I got the 8" in tobacco stampede size 10 EE and they fit perfectly. I love these boots, and I hope this helps.
This was great! Would love to see another shootout. I have wedge sole Red Wing Weekenders that I use daily for walking in town, trail biking in all weather, and working in the garage & woodshop. Definitely my most comfortable shoe.
Very generous of Seidel to let Whites use their couch to make the Tobacco Stampede boots. Must be a super limited-release. I gotta cop some before that couch is all gone
I think the arch is a huge differentiator. I own the 9.5EE White's Semi-Dress British Tan CXL which comes with the 55 last. I'm a 10.5 Brannock on one foot and just under 11 Brannock on the other. The 9.5 fits great...toes 'do not' touch the end of the toe box. The higher arch definitely holds your foot back in the boot.
I wear the smokejumpers by whites Im 9.5 E on the brannock 9.5E Smokejumper fits good with my wool boots socks 9E is nice and tight, and after 9 months of wear, fits me better than any woman ever could
This was really well done. I put off ordering White's on a different last for this reason and might go bespoke after all. I also just received a pair of Grant's after a ton of research before ordering but ordered the wrong size after all.
Grand Stone are great boots but their sizing is wonky too. They told me to go down a half size from my sneaker size. The boots were a half size to big. I needed to go down a full size. Plus on their Diesel the tongue isn't gusseted very high which is very frustrating on a $350 boot. The tongue slips off to the side when walking no matter how tight you tie the laces. I am keeping them but going to get a boot I can try on in the store for my next heritage boot. No more internet sizimg.
I love this! The combo of lace-up moc toes and guys discussing them is very attractive to me. I'd love to see more of these! Frank discussion about boots! 🔥
I can end up wearing 8.5-10 depending on brand, forces to wear "oversized" gym shoes to have the width. The fact boots have different width grades is a game changer I didn't know about til my 30s
White’s has amazing customer service; they exchanged Perry boots for me including shipping and even exchanged a new pair of Millwoods I was going to sell on eBay that were out of the return window. The latter was done without me asking either, just a mention about ebay. My brannock is a 10, 9.5 was too small and swapped out for a 10d. Also tried a 9.5EE which way way too big. Dropping down a half size is probably a good starting point, then size up or stay put.
Hey hey!! I just got my Perry selects 8” in tobacco stampede 4days ago. Half size down to 11 and a double EE! Normally D. I changed the laces to Milwaukee Leather Universal Leather Side Lace Boat (White, 72") right away and absolutely love them! My other comparable boot is redwing billy boot. Night and day feel. Love the Billies but. Also White’s threw in a piece of leather for me to add a pocket knife!! Couldn’t be happier!
I think for White's going for half-size down based on foot-length is quite correct for D width. Some folks should check their arc-length as well. 8.5 foot | 9 arc still fit would White's size 8
This was a great video and helped me out a lot deciding on the leather and sizing. As a midwesterner I did have to chuckle because this is the most PNW looking group of guys I think I have ever seen assembled. The clothes, haircuts, verbiage, just a completely different vibe. That said, you guys are absolutely rad and I appreciate what you do. Cheers from the Buckeye state.
I made the mistake of wearing my redwing supersole 2.0s to work the day I bought them, and I also forgot to bring a spare pair of shoes/boors. I worked a 12 hour day that day and did over 20 miles carrying stuff in a warehouse. When I finally got the boots off, I had a small blood stain in the like Achilles area of both feet. I skinned them a little with one of them missing like a dime sized chunk of skin.
I am loving this candid/real world unedited round table review of a product. The unscripted reality is a breath of fresh air! Consumer Reports magazine ain't got notin on dis!
Been waiting on this video since there isn’t a lot of info out there post break-in. I got 10.5D 6” in TS about 30 days ago. The heel blisters are real, but that heel counter is very stiff. Very comfortable boots that really stand out.
I’ve worn 8” Thorogood moc’s for the last five years. Usually get a 13EE. And I usually get a year and a half out of them. And by the end of their life they feel too loose. I actually work in them. In a fairly clean shop. But I recently switched to the Red Wing Traction Tred Lite in a 8”. Went with a regular 13. But I’m actually thinking about getting the Whites Perry for everyday wear. I just want a good looking boot to wear that’s comfortable. I have a super jacked up ankle and pretty much only wear boots now.
Thank You Jason for asking the questions that I had as well. And awesome shirt. Fairies wear Boots should have been the intro to this segment. Sabbath fans will get it.
Just got my Black Perry Select's.....been too soon to have a true opinion, but so far so good.....tough on the heel thus far, but that was totally expected. Can't wait to see how they are after a little broken in.
I kind of wonder if White’s has an quality control issue as far as sizing. I have two pairs of the reg. Perry. First pair was just a bit too snug, so I took the insole out and replaced it with a very thin leather insert. Boots fit pretty well, maybe just a bit too small. So second pair went a half size up, wow. I wear a super-feet insert and thicker sock and they are still slightly larger than I would like. No way there should be that much difference a half size!
i recently got my first pair of leathers a pair of Fultons which are just a heavy duty collared 8" Perry, have to say best footwear purchase iv ever made.
Ya - just a cool heads up to whites - bought a pair of tobacco Perry’s because of this video - my favorite whites yet. Would like a Rose Anvil whites select - would be immediately.
@@moviepedro absolutely 👍 Break in was a breeze. Very comfortable! Just wore last week also walking all over the Las Vegas strip for 3 days and feet felt great!
Thanks for your reply. I got a red wing sizing in store (they have a fancy computer machine) and I found out I have very narrow heel… so I’m gonna go with 10.5D because I got 10.5EE Thorogood moc toe and the heel is too loose and even the front of the shoe could be less wide for a better fit with medium weight merino sock.
Whites never makes true to size (brannock) boots. You always have to go at least a half size down, I have to go a full size down on all of there boots... I've even gone 1.5 sizes down on my 350 Cutters. I'm a 9.5 and I have a pair of 8 in whites.
@thec. I’ve been wondering about this... Do you wear Red Wing moc toes or Thorogood’s? If so, what’s your size in them versus the Whites Perry’s? Thank you. I’m having the hardest time deciding on a half or full size down.
So I too have the British Tan double shot. I am a 12 on the Brannock. I bought an 11.5. I am okay with them. They feel ok. I bought the journeyman in a 12. Truth be told I kinda wish I would have got my Perry select in a 12. I love both.
I now have 2 pairs of the Whites now. I have a Perry Moc Toe in Brown distress leather. I really enjoy this boot. Fit and sizing wise are spot on. I am not sure about Brannock size. I went with 13EE. Just got a Perry Select in Burgundy last week. It also fits good right out of the box. It will be my weekend boot...Way too nice for work...Both are 6in boots. I got the boot on your recommendation... Now, I have to figure out what to get next. A Nicks or another pair of Whites...?
Loved the vid, do more of this style! I got my Perry's (not select) 1 month ago. Same issue with my heel being torn up. I've found wearing darn tough socks eliminates the chafing pain. It may be the socks slip more and arent as rough as cotton socks. I also have lady ankles. I went down a half size from brannock, and while they fit well, I do wonder if going another half size down would have been better. My feet don't slide around but there is plenty of heel slip and the last is all together roomy and generous. Plenty comfy standing and walking all day though!
I've had a pair of White's Hillyards for a few months and I tell you, the break in takes ages, but it'll totally change the way they sit on your feet. Your heel won't slip as much in a couple months
Very good video - but this is the first time anyone mentions that they are slippery when wet?!? What is the purpose of a boot if you cannot wear it when the weather is anything but dry?
Again with the lucky slice pizza shirt. AWESOME you should come watch our lucky slice hockey old mens beer league ice hockey team play up at weber state this winter.
As a finish carpenter I wear the Perry Moc Toe and I am on my 2 nd resole ! The Throgood Boot to me had super thin leather cheaper eyelets and a rubber welt! I think I can get one more resole out of them and then probably buy another pair! Next time if I was you roll over to a house construction site hunt up a couple real carpenters and offer them a free pair of boots for a 2, 4, & 6 month evaluation? I see one guy who actually wore his boots for what they are meant for! He was the one ppl probably zeroed in on ! The rest of it as an interested party was just noise! Let me know if you hv a left over pair of 8.5 ( I wear a 9) which is my White Size!
@@noone-pg4lr I make a good wage but it’s all depending on where you are and how much you can do? I don’t build stairs & I do crown but I hate crown so I avoid it! If I built complicated stairs I would make a lot !
Never seen this brought up however your feet can swell during different times of day and during long hikes etc. I was always told to get a half size bigger to account for that. Always worked for me although now looking at PNW style boots I'm even more confused as the sizing is all over the place. Try them in person maybe pull out an insole of a good fitting boot you have and take it to the store etc to compare.
I have 8 inch regular black Perry’s and 6inch British tan selects. I did get blisters breaking in the 8 inches but I feel that was my fault for pushing them to early. I started just wearing them for hour or 2 then I wore them for 3 mile walk and that shredded my heels. Since then they broke in and feel great and i didn’t have any issues with the selects breaking them in even with the leather counters. I’m 12 on brannock and both are 11.5 d and for the same on me. They are both great boots I don’t like wearing my tgoods anymore and won’t be purchasing them in the future. The double shot leather is awesome the pull up is next level. I’m actually thinking of getting a pair of black selects and moving the regular Perry’s to just work rotation.
I replaced the ortholite insole with Nick’s leather insoles and after walking several miles, I don’t think that was the right move. The Ortholite insoles are probably better for the design of this boot.
It would make sense on the sizing being all over the place if they mentioned if the boot was D or EE. I know Danner wedge boots D are super narrow width. Tighter than Nikes.
I have worn my ND2’s everyday since November 2022 when I received them and they are practically slippers at this point. Looking forward to my nd3’s. You got me again unfortunately
Have any of you used the suggested size on White’s website? They have a guide where you can measure your foot and it’ll tell you the size they suggest you get. I was wondering if anyone had experience using it and thought it was accurate?
So i want to know which one you prefer--the red wing moc or the Perry select? I have the original Perry boots on their first resole and they are hands down my favorite over anything I've ever worn. This is compared to Nick's 11067, whites 55 last, and JK 55 last. Btw, i work on concrete all day
Each leather being conditioned differently is probably why your sizing preferences are all different. Maybe if you each had the same boot color you’d start to see a sizing pattern. But I’m with the one guy who goes a full size down. I feel like a clown anytime I go true to size or half size down. Full size down tends to be more form fitting.
I have a pair of 6 inch red wind mock toe boots that I love but there’s no insole on the inside just that fiberboard or whatever is in there. What’s a good insole I can use for comfort? I’m a ups driver and I’m on my feet all day, thank you.
Would you be able to do a review of the whites Fulton? I’m interested in how those compare to the whites perry considering they’re both moc toes and only have a 5$ difference.
I’m late to the party but wondered how these compare to the 350cs you cut a while ago (wedge sole built on the 55 last). I’m looking for a wedge sole to be walking around on hard floors all day and can’t decide!
Every Perry model on the website says it’s made on the 1972 Arch-Ease last, which they claim is their flattest last. I’m not understanding this talk about the select and regular having different arch support.
Just got my Perry's love them. I did the measuring on a sheet wich gave a 9D. I usually wear 10 in sneakers and sometimes 9.5 in dress shoes/boots....the boots are snug but still room in the toe box. My question for you guys: Have you kept the ortholite insole in your boots? And why? Thanks
If you’re going this route Red Wing the original- white Perry just a more expensive choice practically the same as RW. Whites loggers- different story. Redwing 875 are a tank!$$$ going on 10 yrs and still tough-
The bummer about Red Wing’s don’t come in EE in all their moc toes. Unbelievable their mens black moc toe only come in Standard D. As well as they only make one color 8” moc toe. Hence why Whites is so appealing. Yet frustrating they they don’t just make and keep these in stock. The 8-10 week turnaround (if you’re lucky) is crazy. Especially if the sizing is off, then add another 8-10 weeks in hopes the other size will fit perfect. Ugh.
About how many years should I expect the Perry and Perry select boots to last? I would be wearing them spring to fall and didn’t know if anyone could ballpark the longevity
Thanks for the great info. Just got my pair of 6" Tobacco Stampede boots this weekend. I'm curious how you all lace these? Does anyone actually use the eyelet at the very top? Just the speed hooks?
I have a 6" Thorogood 1959 or whatever it is, the one Wes reviewed in October, but I never use the top eyelet. Mostly because I'm lazy in the morning so I don't even untie them, just take them off the speed hooks and then put them back on tied in the morning either on the way to work or when I get there depending if I'm running late.
I guess if yr working and don't want the laces falling off a hook from them getting loose from moving all day then use the eyelets, otherwise it's just extra work to me... but that's my personal experience and preferences.
What Joey said. If you're really moving around a lot and putting a bunch of weird lateral movement on your boots, I'd use the very top eyelets. But personally, most of my work is pretty normal motions, just in tough conditions, so I don't bother with the top eyelet. The speed hooks do fine for me.
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The sizing talk is super helpful. To me, the " What's the right size?" question is the biggest obstacle in ordering expensive boots online.
Yeah, it's tricky. I have the original, 6" Perry. I usually wear a 9.5 in most Keen's for example. I got the Perry in 9D, it's a snug fit, but IF I worked in them I suspect the leather would stretch out more.
I tried 3 different White's Boots with a steel toe, none of them fit well, sent them all back.
@@marzcapone9939 Thanks for the information. The website recommends sizing down. However, based on the video and feedback like yours, that might not be completely accurate. Thanks again.
@@marzcapone9939 how’s the width vs Keen? I like Keens wider fit.
@@MrLlama999 Not as wide, I find Keen are very wide in the toe. The Perry is snug, I can see my big toe and the other side of my foot pressing against the leather. Plenty of length for my toes.
This is the biggest problem when it comes to ordering and waiting 6 months. I do it and it’s just a crap shoot man. You can’t be afraid to send them back. But if they are MTO you’re kind of screwed. I don’t understand why sizing for the Pacific Northwest boot makers are so varied! Just seems like they need unified. And don’t get me started about Viberg, who are my absolute favorites. It’s really aggravating
You need Jay in more videos! He asked all the questions I was thinking about as the video went on. Definitely added a lot to the video.
It would be cool to interview a foot doctor on the mystery of shoe sizes. To examine the variables (flat foot, high arch, toe shape/angle, etc) that determine how a shoe fits. I’m a brannock 10.5 D but had to go a full size up (11.5) and got a EE width for my 8 inch regular Perry.
yeah this is me too I think. my foot size is 8 I tried 7.5 twice nicks and whites both times the boot didnt bend in the right spot if I put my foot against the wall im a 9 because of my heel the brannock doesn't come in contact with my heel it juts out slightly. also by nicks standards im a ff in 8 while brannock says im a 8 ee/ e. doesn't account that my foot is just big everywhere. never noticed discomfort at 9 ee. I have to wear 9ee for cowboy boots but even then my instep is still pushing it. 9ee whites perry select seem to be fine instep hurt for a minute but it feels snug.
people treat the brannock like the holy grail and if you say its wrong for you the whole shoe community treat you like real snooty
A foot scientist
I have a high instep so I’m anywhere from 8.5-10
I wear a Size 7.5D on Red Wing and Thorogood, I order 7.5D and fitted perfect. Whites and Thorogood feel the same on width, Red wings a bit narrower.
This is the comparison I've been looking for. Thank you
Started looking into buying the Perry select about a week ago and looked EVERYWHERE for this video haha glad to know I wasn’t crazy cause it didn’t exist yet.
As a boot noob this was helpful in a different way than a typical Rose Anvil video on the main channel. With those standard videos you learn mostly about construction and materials, but here there was a lot more talk about sizing and comfort and break in and how a leather insole feels (because honestly you don't get full thick leather insoles until $300+ I think...) Always curious how those feel since I only have tried Thursdays (Presidents) with plenty of poron in the insole.
I really like the idea of a boot constructed with leather all the way in the sole including the shank, so this boot is one of the lower cost options that almost have that (I like the idea of more leather in place of the cork). Just wish it was a more service boot standard look rather than moc toe. Personal preference I guess. I also like the idea of the wedge sole, I primarily wear shoes on concrete in the city walking around doing daily tasks. Have onry tried the typical heel style common in many service boots.
I wish the PNW boot companies would just publish the mondo sizes and a measurement of what they actually make the widths.... they make all the footbeds the same. I don't know why it is so hard.
yes exactly, mondo is the way to go. Ski boots are at most .5 sizes apart (26.5 on one brand 27 on another) and it's easy to tell the heel widths apart as most companies use the same heel and midsole for a single size. It makes sizing so miuch easier and is far more accurate when youre spending $500-800 on ski boots, which is a similar price rantge to PNW heritage boots. Just give us the internal length, the metatarsal width, and the overall toe shape, and let us decide!!
This video now makes so much sense. On the Hey Dude video, Weston complained of his foot slipping forward, and when he showed the video of him walking, I said “well the shoes too damn big!” 😂 Now I understand. Love the sizing talk
Also I believe he explained that the insole was more of a slope than an arch.
I order all my custom Whites from Bakers. I have 10+ pairs and they are all 10D. My left foot measures 11 on the Brannock and my right foot measures a hair over 10.5. The best advice I can give you is to outline your feet and send in the required measurements. The guys at Bakers will take care of you. Keep in mind that different lasts will fit differently. You may not be the same size in all of their lasts. I wear a 9.5E in their MP last.
Too funny, I'm the same. Left foot 11, right 10.5, and 10D in White's.
i've spent a full year trying to figure out sizing for both Whites and Nicks. My brannock size is a 8.5EE so I originally got 8EE Whites Perrys (non select version) because everyone said to do 1/2 size down, thought they fit decent but the heel slip was annoying, figured I just needed to break them in more. After a year, the heel slip really never went away but i added an insole and it's helped a lot.
After watching this video a few months ago, I ordered a pair of Perry Selects in 7.5D to see if those would fit better (not sure why I went with D width honestly but I did), they absoutley did not lol they were way to tight so I returned them. Decided to give it 1 more try and went with a 7.5EE in the Perry Selects... they are absolutely incredible fit. ZERO heel slip, but also not like cramped or anything. I'm very excited to break these in. So, for me, going down a full size for the Perry Selects was the right move.
If you want some more confusion, I also have a pair of whites semi dress and those are size 8F and fit great lol idk man, i hate the sizing guessing game.
Thanks for listening to my TED talk hah
More content like this. Good information, and very entertaining.
because i hear too many misconceptions about this: objectively (in an orthopedic sense) a good fit in a boot means it's snug behind the joint (at the metatarsals and around the heel, where you lace it in place tightly, so it holds your foot and supports your arch and ankle), just slightly hugging the ball area (WHITHOUT squishing but so that it doesn't slide around) and roomy at the toes to give them space. and off course the insole should resemble your joint positions and the shape of your foot as good as possible.
Im a 10 on brannock and went down to a 9 EE. They fit VERY snug with their insole and it screws up my heel as well. BUT once I took the insole off and put in a super thin one I had, my heel felt way better and the shoe fit better.
Hi Ónix. In hindsight, are you glad you got the 9EE or would a 9.5 have been the best choice? Thank you. I’m in the market for these but it’s such a toss up with sizes/ wait times.
Also, I Low Arch Superfeet Carbon Fiber insoles (their thinnest line).
@@shakebake2680 I’m hindsight I would’ve gotten a 9EEE instead of 9EE if I wanted to use their insole, but I enjoy the boot without an insole. I also have pretty wide feet and the length was fine, I’m
Sure 9.5 EE would’ve probably fit better with an insolE though.
@@onixtheone thank you. I didn’t realize they do EEE! Cool!
great video! Ordered a pair with White's Fathers Day sale and with all the orders coming in it'll be another few weeks before they come in. Have a pair of White's Hiker I got years ago so I'm assuming the sizing is about the same as those. Looking forward to trying them out. Can't get a group of guys together without a bunch of jokes slipping in......if you know what I mean.
its crazy how i own a bunch of boots but half of them dont fit me because theres no consistency to the sizing. Ordering boots online is such a gamble ha
jay is hilarious, this guy needs to come back on more often
Just to help people out, I'm a 10.5 EE on the branock, I got the 8" in tobacco stampede size 10 EE and they fit perfectly. I love these boots, and I hope this helps.
This was great! Would love to see another shootout.
I have wedge sole Red Wing Weekenders that I use daily for walking in town, trail biking in all weather, and working in the garage & woodshop. Definitely my most comfortable shoe.
Very generous of Seidel to let Whites use their couch to make the Tobacco Stampede boots. Must be a super limited-release. I gotta cop some before that couch is all gone
I think the additional sizing mystery is if you kept the foam insole in or not
And probably the heel issue. How high yr heel sits in the boot will determine how well the counter cups yr heel depending on the person.
I'm a 7.7D and a White's 7D fits very well!!
I think the arch is a huge differentiator. I own the 9.5EE White's Semi-Dress British Tan CXL which comes with the 55 last. I'm a 10.5 Brannock on one foot and just under 11 Brannock on the other. The 9.5 fits great...toes 'do not' touch the end of the toe box. The higher arch definitely holds your foot back in the boot.
I wear the smokejumpers by whites
Im 9.5 E on the brannock
9.5E Smokejumper fits good with my wool boots socks
9E is nice and tight, and after 9 months of wear, fits me better than any woman ever could
This was really well done. I put off ordering White's on a different last for this reason and might go bespoke after all. I also just received a pair of Grant's after a ton of research before ordering but ordered the wrong size after all.
Grand Stone are great boots but their sizing is wonky too. They told me to go down a half size from my sneaker size. The boots were a half size to big. I needed to go down a full size. Plus on their Diesel the tongue isn't gusseted very high which is very frustrating on a $350 boot. The tongue slips off to the side when walking no matter how tight you tie the laces. I am keeping them but going to get a boot I can try on in the store for my next heritage boot. No more internet sizimg.
A moc toe is next on my list and eyeing White's; really appreciate the sizing talk and insole v. no insole. Good to know.
Thanks for the size discussion. Super helpful.
Tay was lucky they sent such a large size! Finding 12 and 13 size boots can be tricky.
Tell me about it. Nobody ever has a 12.5 EE unless you buy custom
I like these boots more now after all yall had barely any complaints and all good things to say
Rose Anvil is a shill for White's, that is why they have nothing negative to say.
I love this! The combo of lace-up moc toes and guys discussing them is very attractive to me. I'd love to see more of these! Frank discussion about boots! 🔥
I can end up wearing 8.5-10 depending on brand, forces to wear "oversized" gym shoes to have the width. The fact boots have different width grades is a game changer I didn't know about til my 30s
White’s has amazing customer service; they exchanged Perry boots for me including shipping and even exchanged a new pair of Millwoods I was going to sell on eBay that were out of the return window. The latter was done without me asking either, just a mention about ebay. My brannock is a 10, 9.5 was too small and swapped out for a 10d. Also tried a 9.5EE which way way too big. Dropping down a half size is probably a good starting point, then size up or stay put.
Did you contact with Whites directly or through Bakers boot
@@sivakornsirirat1334 purchased from White’s and used their customer service.
Hey hey!! I just got my Perry selects 8” in tobacco stampede 4days ago. Half size down to 11 and a double EE! Normally D. I changed the laces to Milwaukee Leather Universal Leather Side Lace Boat (White, 72") right away and absolutely love them! My other comparable boot is redwing billy boot. Night and day feel. Love the Billies but.
Also White’s threw in a piece of leather for me to add a pocket knife!!
Couldn’t be happier!
Jay was asking my questions too! He’s needed! Go with it
Also, I went with the Perry based on your vid from a few months ago! So thanks
The thickness of the socks everyone wore can also affect how they perceived the sizing.
Bingo. The guys may have different impressions because different socks.
I think for White's going for half-size down based on foot-length is quite correct for D width. Some folks should check their arc-length as well. 8.5 foot | 9 arc still fit would White's size 8
I love both pairs of my Perry’s. I normally wear a 13 but in whites I wear a 12.
This might be my favorite episode on RA2.
This was a great video and helped me out a lot deciding on the leather and sizing. As a midwesterner I did have to chuckle because this is the most PNW looking group of guys I think I have ever seen assembled. The clothes, haircuts, verbiage, just a completely different vibe. That said, you guys are absolutely rad and I appreciate what you do. Cheers from the Buckeye state.
I think I stay with redwing 10877
I made the mistake of wearing my redwing supersole 2.0s to work the day I bought them, and I also forgot to bring a spare pair of shoes/boors. I worked a 12 hour day that day and did over 20 miles carrying stuff in a warehouse. When I finally got the boots off, I had a small blood stain in the like Achilles area of both feet. I skinned them a little with one of them missing like a dime sized chunk of skin.
I am loving this candid/real world unedited round table review of a product. The unscripted reality is a breath of fresh air! Consumer Reports magazine ain't got notin on dis!
Been waiting on this video since there isn’t a lot of info out there post break-in. I got 10.5D 6” in TS about 30 days ago. The heel blisters are real, but that heel counter is very stiff. Very comfortable boots that really stand out.
I’ve worn 8” Thorogood moc’s for the last five years. Usually get a 13EE. And I usually get a year and a half out of them. And by the end of their life they feel too loose. I actually work in them. In a fairly clean shop. But I recently switched to the Red Wing Traction Tred Lite in a 8”. Went with a regular 13. But I’m actually thinking about getting the Whites Perry for everyday wear. I just want a good looking boot to wear that’s comfortable. I have a super jacked up ankle and pretty much only wear boots now.
Thank You Jason for asking the questions that I had as well. And awesome shirt. Fairies wear Boots should have been the intro to this segment. Sabbath fans will get it.
This is the issue with ordering online 😅 there is nothing like trying them on. Sometimes it depends on your feet swelling as well.
Just got my Black Perry Select's.....been too soon to have a true opinion, but so far so good.....tough on the heel thus far, but that was totally expected. Can't wait to see how they are after a little broken in.
Just took the insole out and now they fit great didn’t know there was leather under there
I agree with Wes, I like a thumbs Width and I adjust with sock thickness
I kind of wonder if White’s has an quality control issue as far as sizing. I have two pairs of the reg. Perry. First pair was just a bit too snug, so I took the insole out and replaced it with a very thin leather insert. Boots fit pretty well, maybe just a bit too small. So second pair went a half size up, wow. I wear a super-feet insert and thicker sock and they are still slightly larger than I would like. No way there should be that much difference a half size!
Wish there was more footage of the boots than watching ppl talk. Trying to make my mind up on what colour to get!!!
i recently got my first pair of leathers a pair of Fultons which are just a heavy duty collared 8" Perry, have to say best footwear purchase iv ever made.
Ya - just a cool heads up to whites - bought a pair of tobacco Perry’s because of this video - my favorite whites yet. Would like a Rose Anvil whites select - would be immediately.
I’m 11 on brannock exactly and between D/EE on width.
I went 10.5 and EE in Tobacco Stampede and it fits beautifully
Thank you I’m the same size. That is the size I was thinking of getting. Are you happy with the sizing after break in? Especially in regards to width
@@moviepedro absolutely 👍
Break in was a breeze. Very comfortable!
Just wore last week also walking all over the Las Vegas strip for 3 days and feet felt great!
Thanks for your reply. I got a red wing sizing in store (they have a fancy computer machine) and I found out I have very narrow heel… so I’m gonna go with 10.5D because I got 10.5EE Thorogood moc toe and the heel is too loose and even the front of the shoe could be less wide for a better fit with medium weight merino sock.
This video is very useful for sizing questions. Please do another with another arch and/or build. Thank you!!!
I love the Perry - Hybrid Wedge.
Moc toe
I’m looking into getting those right now. Just trying to figure what size and color
@@shadowreaper9838 the website has a size measurement scale. I wear a 11 so it told me to get a 10.
Whites never makes true to size (brannock) boots. You always have to go at least a half size down, I have to go a full size down on all of there boots... I've even gone 1.5 sizes down on my 350 Cutters. I'm a 9.5 and I have a pair of 8 in whites.
@thec. I’ve been wondering about this... Do you wear Red Wing moc toes or Thorogood’s? If so, what’s your size in them versus the Whites Perry’s? Thank you. I’m having the hardest time deciding on a half or full size down.
"Isn't all language made up?"
Flashback to a linguistic anthropology class years ago ensued.
My man didn't even bother dusting off the dirt so we could see the leather 😂😂
So I too have the British Tan double shot. I am a 12 on the Brannock. I bought an 11.5. I am okay with them. They feel ok. I bought the journeyman in a 12. Truth be told I kinda wish I would have got my Perry select in a 12. I love both.
The heel break-in was almost the deal-breaker for me, on the regular Perry’s. I worked through it and now it’s ok but man, it was tough.
Just got thru it in mine. Brutal.
@@matthewroberts4707why what does the heel feel like when you first buy
I ve been waiting for this video. Those journeymans got my eye for a minute .
Just got my pair of 6" tobacco stampede yesterday, ordered them June 13th during their sale.
I now have 2 pairs of the Whites now. I have a Perry Moc Toe in Brown distress leather. I really enjoy this boot. Fit and sizing wise are spot on. I am not sure about Brannock size. I went with 13EE.
Just got a Perry Select in Burgundy last week. It also fits good right out of the box. It will be my weekend boot...Way too nice for work...Both are 6in boots. I got the boot on your recommendation...
Now, I have to figure out what to get next. A Nicks or another pair of Whites...?
The nicks moc boot while crazily priced is probably the best moc boot you can own if money was not an issue I’d only wear them
Loved the vid, do more of this style! I got my Perry's (not select) 1 month ago. Same issue with my heel being torn up. I've found wearing darn tough socks eliminates the chafing pain. It may be the socks slip more and arent as rough as cotton socks. I also have lady ankles. I went down a half size from brannock, and while they fit well, I do wonder if going another half size down would have been better. My feet don't slide around but there is plenty of heel slip and the last is all together roomy and generous. Plenty comfy standing and walking all day though!
I've had a pair of White's Hillyards for a few months and I tell you, the break in takes ages, but it'll totally change the way they sit on your feet. Your heel won't slip as much in a couple months
Very good video - but this is the first time anyone mentions that they are slippery when wet?!? What is the purpose of a boot if you cannot wear it when the weather is anything but dry?
I always buy my brannock size!
Again with the lucky slice pizza shirt. AWESOME you should come watch our lucky slice hockey old mens beer league ice hockey team play up at weber state this winter.
As a finish carpenter I wear the Perry Moc Toe and I am on my 2 nd resole ! The Throgood Boot to me had super thin leather cheaper eyelets and a rubber welt! I think I can get one more resole out of them and then probably buy another pair!
Next time if I was you roll over to a house construction site hunt up a couple real carpenters and offer them a free pair of boots for a 2, 4, & 6 month evaluation?
I see one guy who actually wore his boots for what they are meant for! He was the one ppl probably zeroed in on ! The rest of it as an interested party was just noise!
Let me know if you hv a left over pair of 8.5 ( I wear a 9) which is my White Size!
How much do you make as a carpenter
@@noone-pg4lr some?
@@zephyr1408 how much u getting paid
@@noone-pg4lr I make a good wage but it’s all depending on where you are and how much you can do?
I don’t build stairs
& I do crown but I hate crown so I avoid it!
If I built complicated stairs I would make a lot !
@@zephyr1408 so like 50k plus a year
the toebox looks much better than on Red Wings.
Never seen this brought up however your feet can swell during different times of day and during long hikes etc. I was always told to get a half size bigger to account for that. Always worked for me although now looking at PNW style boots I'm even more confused as the sizing is all over the place. Try them in person maybe pull out an insole of a good fitting boot you have and take it to the store etc to compare.
I have 8 inch regular black Perry’s and 6inch British tan selects. I did get blisters breaking in the 8 inches but I feel that was my fault for pushing them to early. I started just wearing them for hour or 2 then I wore them for 3 mile walk and that shredded my heels. Since then they broke in and feel great and i didn’t have any issues with the selects breaking them in even with the leather counters. I’m 12 on brannock and both are 11.5 d and for the same on me. They are both great boots I don’t like wearing my tgoods anymore and won’t be purchasing them in the future. The double shot leather is awesome the pull up is next level. I’m actually thinking of getting a pair of black selects and moving the regular Perry’s to just work rotation.
Mine are a little small recommend a wide for everyone who doesn’t have skinny feet
You’ve got to come to the Monterey Bay, and try pizza my heart. Best pizza ever!!
I replaced the ortholite insole with Nick’s leather insoles and after walking several miles, I don’t think that was the right move. The Ortholite insoles are probably better for the design of this boot.
It would make sense on the sizing being all over the place if they mentioned if the boot was D or EE. I know Danner wedge boots D are super narrow width. Tighter than Nikes.
TOASTER!!! YEAH!!!
I have worn my ND2’s everyday since November 2022 when I received them and they are practically slippers at this point. Looking forward to my nd3’s. You got me again unfortunately
The foam inserts are hotter than the leather ones
You clowns were actually very helpful. Thanks!
Backwards compliment
Have any of you used the suggested size on White’s website? They have a guide where you can measure your foot and it’ll tell you the size they suggest you get. I was wondering if anyone had experience using it and thought it was accurate?
I can use an 11.5D which fit like Redwing 12D
Hey bought myself a pair of Bedstu i really like them if you could do a review on them see how well they are made thanks
The counter got me too!
So i want to know which one you prefer--the red wing moc or the Perry select? I have the original Perry boots on their first resole and they are hands down my favorite over anything I've ever worn. This is compared to Nick's 11067, whites 55 last, and JK 55 last. Btw, i work on concrete all day
Each leather being conditioned differently is probably why your sizing preferences are all different. Maybe if you each had the same boot color you’d start to see a sizing pattern.
But I’m with the one guy who goes a full size down. I feel like a clown anytime I go true to size or half size down. Full size down tends to be more form fitting.
Hi Smiff. Do you have Redwing or Thorogood Mocs? If so what size do you wear in them and Whites Mocs if you have those. Thank you.
Lol rotating Toaster.
I have a pair of 6 inch red wind mock toe boots that I love but there’s no insole on the inside just that fiberboard or whatever is in there. What’s a good insole I can use for comfort? I’m a ups driver and I’m on my feet all day, thank you.
Great episode
Good job fellas
Would you be able to do a review of the whites Fulton? I’m interested in how those compare to the whites perry considering they’re both moc toes and only have a 5$ difference.
Awesome!
I’m late to the party but wondered how these compare to the 350cs you cut a while ago (wedge sole built on the 55 last). I’m looking for a wedge sole to be walking around on hard floors all day and can’t decide!
Every Perry model on the website says it’s made on the 1972 Arch-Ease last, which they claim is their flattest last. I’m not understanding this talk about the select and regular having different arch support.
The leather shank will mold to your foot more and therefore giving more arch support in the select.
Just got my Perry's love them. I did the measuring on a sheet wich gave a 9D. I usually wear 10 in sneakers and sometimes 9.5 in dress shoes/boots....the boots are snug but still room in the toe box. My question for you guys: Have you kept the ortholite insole in your boots? And why?
Thanks
If you’re going this route Red Wing the original- white Perry just a more expensive choice practically the same as RW. Whites loggers- different story. Redwing 875 are a tank!$$$ going on 10 yrs and still tough-
The bummer about Red Wing’s don’t come in EE in all their moc toes. Unbelievable their mens black moc toe only come in Standard D. As well as they only make one color 8” moc toe. Hence why Whites is so appealing. Yet frustrating they they don’t just make and keep these in stock. The 8-10 week turnaround (if you’re lucky) is crazy. Especially if the sizing is off, then add another 8-10 weeks in hopes the other size will fit perfect. Ugh.
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About how many years should I expect the Perry and Perry select boots to last? I would be wearing them spring to fall and didn’t know if anyone could ballpark the longevity
Weston's legs stole the show
It seems like without the insole you need a full size down.
Thanks for the great info. Just got my pair of 6" Tobacco Stampede boots this weekend. I'm curious how you all lace these? Does anyone actually use the eyelet at the very top? Just the speed hooks?
I have a 6" Thorogood 1959 or whatever it is, the one Wes reviewed in October, but I never use the top eyelet. Mostly because I'm lazy in the morning so I don't even untie them, just take them off the speed hooks and then put them back on tied in the morning either on the way to work or when I get there depending if I'm running late.
I guess if yr working and don't want the laces falling off a hook from them getting loose from moving all day then use the eyelets, otherwise it's just extra work to me... but that's my personal experience and preferences.
What Joey said. If you're really moving around a lot and putting a bunch of weird lateral movement on your boots, I'd use the very top eyelets. But personally, most of my work is pretty normal motions, just in tough conditions, so I don't bother with the top eyelet. The speed hooks do fine for me.