Why Ferrix Deserved The Empire's Occupation
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Why Ferrix Deserved The Empire's Occupation, is a question this show failed to answer from my perspective, as a Star Wars fan who looks through the Galactic Empire's lense of the galaxy.
Obviously, the Rebels have always been portrayed as the 'Good guys' but often they bring problems to their door through terrorist acts of violence and sabotage.
The strange thing is in Mandalorian, the imperial remnant is still seen as the bad guys, even though they are rebelling against the New Republic. There are always two sides to every argument on this subject. Long live the Empire!!!
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I find that the empire is usually justified in conflicts like these. They almost never fire the first shot.
I'm Shocked, just shocked they let her spew her treasonous rabble as long as they did.
Seditionist is the better term, and it was odd they gave her a platform for that long
They had fallen asleep about half way through lol
They were waiting for an order. Leadership were busy looking for their target. They also don’t know the customs and feared their superiors rath if they were to obstruct the ceremony designed to trap.
The Empire was surprisingly reasonable compared to what they usually were. I mean, the fact that regular army troopers tried using riot shields to detain the crowd goes to show they weren't there to pick a fight. The Empire only fired in self-defense; if the crowd dispersed, they would've been left alone.
"Compared what they usually were"? Honestly i go with the point that they were usually like this. Andor is finally a series that do many things right. Especially with the Empire. They are not the all evil cartoon villians.
@@Lukas-mk8so No. If you read the Expanded universe lore, the Empire was far harsher than they were in Andor. There would be no half-measures, no tasers or riot shields, just soldiers looking for an excuse to shoot. Imperial soldiers secretly enjoyed putting down rebellions because it kept the troops sharp and the Empire feared.
The empire are health care professionals.
Thank you. This is exactly what I've been telling people. This is a post I made elsewhere about the riot:
If you really think about it, the Empire responded well within reason, holding the line and initially only using stun weapons to arrest and detain the rioters, the order to fire was withheld until the terrorist threw an IED into the imperial line. Additionally, notice how Lieutenant Keysax only sent one stormtrooper to arrest the belltower as an inciter when he could've sent several or even blown it up. Long Live The Empire
"The Empire improves every system it touches. Judge by any metric. Safety, prosperity, trade, opportunity, peace. Compare Imperial rule to what is happening now. Look outside. Is the world more peaceful since the revolution? I see nothing but death and chaos." -The Client
Not every metric. He forgot freedom and the pursuit of happiness and property. If only there was a civilisation that installed those rights of the people at the highest level of law and then setup a group of judges, supreme above others who’s only job was to ensure those freedoms were not compromised in any way.
@@Pete_YT true, but don't forget The Client is romanticising the past
Well, they did tourture and hang Salman Paak in the square based on Tigo's dialogue in ep 9. The sense of community between Ferrix locals was strong, even in the early episodes when the Corpos arrive. The mounting tensions on both sides eventually resulted in an outburst. On another note, the Empire shown in Andor is not portrayed as restoring "peace and order" - the treatment of the Aldani locals and the existence of Narkina 5 are both prime examples of horrible cruelty (towards humans, btw)
I feel all of this could have been avoided if the troopers just used the stun setting
"We've been sleeping. We've had each other, and Ferrix, our work, our days. We had each other and they left us alone. We kept the trade lane open, and they left us alone. We took their money and ignored them, we kept their engine churning, and the moment they pulled away. we forgot them. *(SIGH)* Because we had each other. We had Ferrix. But we were sleeping. I've been sleeping. And I've been turning away from the truth I wanted not to face.
There is a wound that won't heal at the center of the galaxy. There is a darkness reaching like rust into everything around us. We let it grow, and now it's here. It's here and it's not visiting anymore. *It wants to stay."*
Long live the empire!
Rather than supporting the Empire, I'm more of questioning what made the rebels like the idea of a Republic so much, considering the Republic during and before the Clone Wars have proven to have been either too corrupt or too incompetent, and that's even before Palpatine manipulated everything and everyone. I still think the Empire is bad, but how do you justify taking down the Empire to restore the corrupt and incompetent Republic?
Interesting thoughts 🤔 and l like your viewpoint on this.
@@ImperialsExplained Also, I found that during the Clone Wars, many planets seem to take the Republic for granted. Not mention that sometimes the Republic forces helped training the locals to fight the Separatists and when the Republic became the Empire, those same locals they trained turn their back, as seen with Onderon and Mimban.
"Although the Empires methods are rather harsh at times" the empire and it's attack dogs have unceremoniously executed like a dozen at least people for expressing minor descent, razed their city for information on like one guy and tortured several key community members. Plus, the holonet exists. Outer Rim worlds have been stripped materially for less and bled dry even this early into things.
Yeah, honestly. He seems to forget how brutally the empire suppressed and executed many of its citizens early during its rise, and how that animosity would still linger.
I think that that's actually a creation of the EU, and not supported by G-Canon. When Biggs is making his case for the Rebellion to Luke in ANH, the worst that he accuses the Empire of is "nationalizing commerce" in the Core systems.
Are we just going to forget the whole torturing and executing people thing. Hell their first time there after the Clone Wars involved executing a guy who was trying to get people not to throw things at them.
I knew this type of comment would be posted.
@@ImperialsExplained Disney's "Rise of the Empire" timeline seems rather cartoonish to me. I don't buy the idea that within a year of the end of the Clone Wars the Imperial officer corps is suddenly stacked with arrogant pissants who despise the previously-lionized Clone Troopers for no apparent reason and summarily execute former Confederate leaders on the spot without even bothering to take them prisoner beforehand (as we see in _The Bad Batch_ ) or that they would be maintaining these massive secret prison facilities and generally behaving like moustache-twirling black hats out of an old silent movie serial.
G-Canon, as established in _A New Hope,_ shows that the Imperial military was _very_ leery of getting on the bad side of the Imperial Senate up until the Emperor finally dissolved the Senate shortly before the Battle of Yavin, and going by Biggs' conversation with Luke at Anchorhead, the worst abuse of freedom that the Empire had carried out to that point was "nationalizing commerce" in the Galactic Core. Of course, things would change very quickly from that point onward with the activation and subsequent destruction of the Death Star and the destruction of Alderaan, but I don't think Lucas's movie timeline allows for the Empire to be going full-on jackboot prior to Yavin (if anything, it was the increase in Rebel activity following Yavin that provided the Emperor with the pretext to really start laying on the oppression in the fashion that most people generally tend to associate with Imperial rule).
Good points 👍 things obviously got a lot worse once the senate was dissolved.
@@CanadianPaleThere treatment of former separatist is one hundred percent believable as Palpatine and the Sith over all spent the past 1000 years cultivating racial tension between species, plus during the clone wars Palpatine made sure through propaganda and carefully orchestrated plots that the hatred republic and confederacy citizens had for each other was at an all time high.
The disregard for clones is more complicated, while many people within the republic both citizens and those that served in the Grand Army, Navy, and various defense forces had great respect for the clones, mainly because of pro republic propaganda there were stills others, mainly those serving within the republic military who viewed clones largely as organic slightly more independent droids.
Indeed with how much the republic made an effort to separate the clones form the civilian world with perhaps the exception of battalions that garrisoned worlds such as the Corruscant guard it only makes sense that there would be a disconnect between them to point where it would be a situation similar to how you might support your cities football team not really because you care all that much about them or the other sport but because fuck the other team.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion _There treatment of former separatist is one hundred percent believable_
Nah.
_Palpatine and the Sith over all spent the past 1000 years cultivating racial tension between species_
All of the instances that I was thinking of were human-on-human.
_during the clone wars Palpatine made sure through propaganda and carefully orchestrated plots that the hatred republic and confederacy citizens had for each other was at an all time high_
That doesn't jive with the Jedi Order's well-established paranoia about hate.
_others, mainly those serving within the republic military who viewed clones largely as organic slightly more independent droids._
Very unlikely, given that those would be the ones experiencing the (T-Canon) Clone Troopers' exaggerated individuality up close.
_it would be a situation similar to how you might support your cities football team_
I.e. a situation where the "fans" develop and display an exaggerated and passionate sense of loyalty to and hero-worship for the "players" in question despite their lack of genuine personal connection...🤫
The great thing about andor is that the rebels are not all squeaky clean and the empire is not caricatured incompetent evil villains.
My point exactly 👍😊
Realistically this speech almost turned me into a rebel...Almost. Long live the Empire!
Long live the empire!
now that i think about it, it doesn't make sense how marva's speech would inspire a full blown rebellion. its not like ferrix was home to some prosperous nation or where great atrocities were committed by the empire where the people harbored a deep hatred for empire and were just waiting for a chance to unleash it. most of the people on ferrix were just common people and laborer's.
Also please make more of these!
You also have to notice the difference between the army troopers and the Stormtroopers. The former are just peacekeeping forces, the regular arm of the military, the latter are indoctrinated zealots who answer to the Emperor, and the Emperor alone. The army troopers were trying to restrain the crowd and keep the peace, trying to keep the rioters down, but the Stormtroopers stood almost motionless at the back, almost as if they were daring the crowd to go nuts so they can have the excuse to shoot. Which they eventually received, once that one guy with the IED threw it at the Imperials and the officers gave the order to fire.
If anything, the army troopers were acting as if they were trying to protect the crowd from the Stormtroopers, almost as if it were a good cop/bad cop scenario. The army troopers were the good cops, trying to get the people to calm down and go home. The Stormtroopers were the bad cops, just waiting for an excuse to use deadly force on unarmed civilians. The army troopers were like ''Dude, go home, you don't want to deal with the boys in white who are actually armed with guns.'' While the Stormtroopers were like ''Yeah, go ahead and riot, give us an excuse to blow your brains out.''
Stormtrooper units like the 501st Legion apparently enjoyed putting down insurrections. It kept the troops sharp and the Empire feared. They fed off that fear and enjoyed spreading it, just like Darth Jadus did, 3700 years before them. But the Army troopers did not enjoy having to deal with insurrections, they just wanted peace and order. But the continued rebellion and resistance against Imperial rule led to the former replacing the latter as the main fighting force of the Empire, thanks to the fact that the Rebels have a tendency to use civilian population rebellions against the Empire. It got up to the point where by the time of the OT, according to the Imperial Sourcebook, the Stormtroopers outnumbered the Army and Navy troopers combined. And of course, these men had no problems gunning down civilians.
I think not wanting a large genocidal empire on your planet is a good enough reason to resist the empire
Well then, they are asking for trouble.
As l pointed out, they brought the occupation upon themselves.
They had been previously occupied by the empire at the end of the CW, in which multiple locals were brutally killed by the empire. This would have led to a distrust of the empire which they knew about because of their withdrawal and hiring of the private security contractors.
This was a complete imperial fuck up ot would only taken 10 mins too look up the brief history of ferix and basic logic to know that an imperial occupation using the stormtrooper core would be a disaster.
If they wanted to prevent an insurrection they should have kept on the private contractors and only bring in a couple of imperial army officers and maybe guards to keep an eye on the contractors
Marva wasn't wrong though..."There is a wound that won't heal at the center of the galaxy...."
You can only push people around for so long. Ferrix tolerated the Corpos because, by and large, they left them alone. But the Empire was SO in their face...."the way they push through a crowd" as Luthen would say....It was only a matter of time before Ferrix was going to blow.
Good points, and l think they were a little in face, but the Empire weren't for the sake of just occupying Ferrix. Their focus was on a small number of criminals, which caused choas. Once arrested, their presence would have become less interference.
There are always two sides to this, and it's always as simple as the Empire is evil.
There were only a small number of the overall population affected by those methods. As Andor is a fugitive and a criminal by real-life standards, the Empire's actions are justified. Although as l admit in the video, their methods let themselves down with the hanging and interrogation which was not justified in any walk of life.
@@ImperialsExplained yeah but here's the thing, fascists and authoritarians always look for a pretext, no matter how real or made up, to occupy and invade, and as Marva said: "We took their money and ignored them, we kept their engine churning, and the moment they pulled away. we forgot them. *(SIGH)* Because we had each other.... There is a wound that won't heal at the center of the galaxy. There is a darkness reaching like rust into everything around us. We let it grow, and now it's here. It's here and it's not visiting anymore. *It wants to stay."* And THAT'S what got the crowd ready to fight.
@@ImperialsExplained fascists always look for an pretext to invade. And when they do, they're not leaving.
I believe the Empire was justified in its approach. It ought to be noted that force of arms was not their first response, and that it was only once the crowd resorted to violence that a force of arms need be considered. The Empire was generous enough to allow such a large procession like this. Altogether the situation was destabilized by insurgent forces who seek to undermine the law and order which the Empire provided.
The Empire wasn’t generous to allow it. It was a trap.
"I realize this is somewhat a controversial view".
No, it isn't looking from the perspective of people who follow the law. It is justified.
Long live the Empire!!
I appreciate your comment and glad you see my points. Long live the Empire!!!
We get it, Fascism makes you hard. No need to further explain.
Everybody shamed that stormtrooper captain for covering the message and then punching the droid. But he was the only man who did his job.
You see the droid broadcasts the Rebellion message, what should ya do?
It's like Krennic Scarif scene
"Are we blind? Deploy the garrison!".
Agreed 👍
The Empire just wanted the trains to run on time, and was willing to punish anyone who slowed down the system.
I guess it all comes down to perspective, and there's many parallels to this and real life scenarios
Haymarket Affair?
Well said my friend. There different ways to look at this. The way story is told is very one sided.
Luteun ( apologies spelling) i suspect was republic intelligence. Perhaps like captain teller in takin. ?
Good point 👍 who knows who is yet but maybe later on his story will unfold.
i'm totally agree, long live the Empire!
The Empire made the hover trains run on time.
Since the Empire promoted human high culture for about 20 years, why were there so many humans compared to aliens who fought for the Rebellion, especially in the original trilogy, even before the destruction of Alderaan?
Only for Core Worlds humans
Apart from very few non-humans who supported and helped Palpatine, like Mas Ameeda. The Empire felt non-humans were inferior to humans and thus a racist approach was taken. However, after the fall in the Empire non-humans were brought into their ranks due to the lack of imperial support and conscription.
@@ImperialsExplained Yes, but why were there so many humans opposing the Empire, even before the destruction of Alderaan. In Andor, Rogue One, and A New Hope? There are a disproportionate amount of humans opposing the Empire/in the Rebel Alliance when compared to the number of aliens. Since the Empire promoted human supremacy, it makes sense that a vast majority of humans would not oppose the Empire or partake in any anti-Imperial activity. Instead there are many humans who are in the Rebellion or oppose the Empire, such as the prison in Andor, where every prisoner was human.
It reminds me of a scene in The Expanse's final season. Marco Inaros abandons Ceres, leaves it crippled and incapable of feeding itself, and set off a giant bomb that killed more Belters on the station than Inner soldiers. The station administrator still tries to start an insurrection against the Earth-Mars alliance that is holding the station together, and calls Camina Drummer, who just delivered a bunch of supplies she stole from Inaros, an Inner collaborator for turning on the guy who killed her two fatherly mentors and repeatedly mistreating her. So far, the only thing that the Empire has actually done to incur their animosity, is hanging the bombmaker's father for selling stolen military equipment.
Long Live the Emperor!
I was disappointed that I could not watch this in 1080p, or 4k :( I feel like thats why you have 13 downvotes.
A person had more securities, safeties and freedoms under the Empire. Like many terrorist cells once they defeated their enemy, they weren't able to cement a strong, prosperous, or safe ruling over their newfound state. The New Republic was rather incompetent and eventually couldn't avoid becoming what they once stood against. Also hey even tried to force a world to join them a time or 2.
long live the Empire
Yeah a terrorist literally threw an IED into a non-lethal situation. Main criticism of the Empire on Ferrix though is their use of mental torture.
Agreed 👍 l would admit the Empire used some harsh tactics.
It’s because andor is well written so the villains are capable of logical decisions and thought.
if they are, I get the sense that it's only by accident.
I think everywhere deserved the empire. Keep up your great work!!!!
And im sorry but you sound like you voted for Trudeau
Heheheheh...
Empires represent order, yes, but they end up standing for oppression in the end. And when Maarva called for Ferrix to “fight the Empire”, she didn’t want peace on Imperial terms, she wanted Ferrix to be independent and peaceful on its own terms.
The empire is oppressive, there’s no denying it. But the point of the video is that, in this specific case, they didn't do anything unreasonable. In this part the empire only defended itself.
You have such a midwit brain, read Oswald Spengler and Julius Evola and you’ll realize why Empire as a metaphysical concept and in execution is good
You don't get to use extreme deadly force on at least two documented occasions beforehand, do it en masse when people are upset with you torturing even more people and then claim self defense. There is no fascist that logic like this video displays wouldn't defend. I like learning about lore as much as the next guy but this video is just fashy apology at this point 🤨@@vampirecount3880
I love Andor because it shows the Star Wars universe as a real place. The Empire is authoritarian and generally evil, but the common Imperials aren't cartoon villains out to kill and torture literally everyone.
Ex sepratist world?... It showed clones doing a victory parade in a flash back/ non of the people were happy or proud seesm like an occupation?
The Empire did nothing wrong in this scene. They acted within reason and held much restraint on themselves even when the riot got out of control.
These were separatist holdouts from the previously ended Clone Wars.