Is Stellantis DESTROYING DODGE for an Alfa Romeo takeover?
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
- Is Stellantis trying to replace Dodge with Alfa Romeo?
As Dodge has been losing models and being taken over by rebadged Alfa Romeo vehicles, Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares said that Alfa Romeo, one of it's worst selling brands, is the crown jewel of the auto group. But with every American brand outselling Alfa Romeo, has the French CEO lost his mind? That the low volume, quality plagued brand could actually become popular? Well Italy just delivered a gut punch heard around the work forcing Alfa Romeo to rethink its strategy.
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He declined offers to sell Alfa, why not sell Dodge? He obviously doesn't like the brand, doesn't understand the American car market, and is destroying it intentionally!!!
He hates non Europeans , especially Australia , Americans. I stay loyal I'm still driving my Avenger here in Oz , Alfa Romeo is regarded as a fools gold of a car here .
i think the company should respect both sides of the atlantic, i'm italian and thinking that dodge is somehow rated at the same level of Alfa or even higher is mind boggling for me. but that's our "car culture", i'm sure you think the opposite over there and that's understandable. Tavares seemed to hint that Alfa will take the same role "Audi" has in the wolkswagen group. we'll see. The new alfa Milano/Junior is just french stuff with an alfa badge on it which is a major insult to italians since we don't rate french car manufacturing at all.
@@alessiofe as for the French , once upon a time they were pretty strong here in Oz but the grip slipped and ever since the late 1970's they've battled to gain the recognition. As for Alfa and Fiat the acknowledgement is there but in the case of Oz being a vast continent they are more of a town car and rather high maintenance, and expensive. Especially when it comes to proprietary parts . That's why they're considered a status piece, for the well heeled. But on the second hand market the depreciation plummets faster than a skydiver's malfunctioning parachute. But over in the home land it's the reverse because of the infrastructure and Dealers. Alfa is hard to find in the outback here in Australia.
As for Chrysler and Dodge the loyalty runs deep , and any country town here can have you up and running within a couple of days using local sources, I have had some failures with my Avenger but the worst case was less than a day in the repair bay , such is the parts availability. Now my Alfa Romeo took six weeks to get a minor part that couldn't be macgyvered for the life of me . I'm the fool with the gold i mentioned before. 🤣😭😂
Ever since stallentis took over Dodge, its quality control went to shit... that CEO needs to go...
Wall street loves him. They just gave him a rase. He makes 39 million dollars a year now. GM, Ford & this thing called Stellantis are wallstreet darlings. The 2nd. Muscle Car era is officially over. 🤒
Stellantis
Peugeot forever
Tavares could not care less about CJD...
They will all be gone shortly maybe they will sell the Jeep brand to Geely....
This company is a joke 😂
Alfa Romeo is a joke 🤣 and their drivers a delusional if that is a good enough substitute for Americans. They're not suited for trans continental use . They fall apart too readily. Quality is woefully inadequate.
Do you own or have one ? For factual statements by truly owning and repairing? If not which I know you haven't nor never have ,but secretly want one then please don't spread false information and ideology all because you think your Mexican not American built Ford's,Chevy's,etc are superior when in fact they aren't even made with reliable grade 3 metals 😂😂😂 .get outta our country
I was bolting Alfas together here in Australia since the 1980s , and have stateside mates , who have experienced similar problems. Alfas are only good puttering about the cities where you can walk to saftey just like you can in Europe. when not if it breaks down on the driver.
If it's the jewel in the crown , then it must be made of paste.
Not so in Australia and America .
Also that CEO has a hatred of Australia he's taken a massive dump on us , and is doing the same to America.
I have owned an ITO for 3 weeks I traded it in . Customer Service was aloof and horrendous .
Advice if you're still in your Alfa, rethink. From someone who knows.
@@garycorbin2789I owned an 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia. It’s a great car on a long trip. And zero issues. Drive an Alfa and you will see that it’s a great car.
It’s a piss poor joke that’s not funny.
They hate us cause the ain’t us 😒
I think Tavares is referring to the importance of the Alfa Romeo on a historical level, but the Alfa today is just a shadow of what it was in the past
Alfa Romeo's have been historically garbage cars. Which is why they left the American market in the first place.
Nobody wants a foodstamp Tonale.
That foodstamp Tonale sells better than the original Tonale. LOL. Heard Alfa is pretty upset about that
@@jonathancolbert6666 as of February 8th there was a 480 day supply of hornets on dealer lots. I don't see data available for the Tonale. If the hornet is out selling the Tonale then very litte have sold of the Tonale. 🤣
@@blaakrose Last thing I saw between the two was in Q1 of this year, the Hornet sold nearly 8,000 units while the Tonale sold less than 800.
@@blaakrose ive seen like 10 hornets, and literally ONE tonale
Started when plymouth failed, that was such a cool brand
I miss the prowler
426 Cuda in lime green 🤩
barracuda, cuda, duster, roadrunner, superbird, fury, & the GTX R.I.P :/
Plymouth Laser AWD :D
Stellantis has been tryna destroy Dodge since they took control. Fix It Again Tony FIAT has been garbage forever. Great video again Butter.
Dodge has been destroying itself for decades!
How many times has the Chrysler brands bern sold?
It also went bankrupt , the taxpayers build their arese out! They are garbage and always will be...
Most Americans that aren't into cars at all wouldn't or haven't heard of the Alfa Romeo car company.
You can say that but a new brand like genesis is out selling Cadillac as a luxury brand and they have a lot about 3 seadans
I just called my four brothers after seeing your comment. Three never heard of them and one said he heard the name but never seen one in person. Checkmate
Yeah, that's working out.Just look at hornet sales
Just look at the Dodge Hornet nobody is buying it and you don't have to know it's an Alfa Romeo. Nobody Will buy a car that looks like a toad.
Or isn’t even advertised. Do customers even know the Hornet exists?
@@99somerville honestly probably a good daily lol
@@NudaMan Not remotely, it's Italian made, It will explode and be ridiculous to fix.
It’s rental car material🙄
I would say approximately 40% of the Hornets on the ground are not able to be sold because they are dead on the lots, and the batteries and parts are on intergalactic backorder. Every Alfa product we have seen come through here is a true electrical and mechanical disaster. Fiat's are marginally better
Someone needs to buy all the hemi rights/technology, and restart Plymouth as a standalone brand...
Wer soll das sein ?
There’s a reason why no one’s tried to replicate it. It’s too expensive to do so. You’re either paying the emissions fines and passing them on to the customer, or you’re paying the tens of millions to buy carbon credits to comply and now you’re cutting into your bottom line.
Ya, they got into bed with the enemy of the V8. They are paying the price now, and it's only going to get worse. I honestly don't know if I'll ever get a Mopar car again. It's all I've driven for over 20 years. Sad really.
I've owned ram or dodge products since 2010. Its been my go to brand and is the only brand I've really been interested in. The next vehicle I purchase will likey not be from them.
That's why you don't hire a Portuguese for CEO.
That’s just a moron
exactly, you ever see the garbage cars in Portugal? they look like golf carts
Sounds like Stelasstis became partners with WEF 😅
Yep!
I think there is no one in the board room fighting for Chrysler or dodge they are just going along till the end of the
Never knew italy's government would be on my side ever in my life.
Carlos Tavares is huffing glue!
"Le Glue" 😂
Who was the audience he said this to. Alpha Romeo got a taste of the American market with the hornet. Nobody over here wants those cars.
In a fantastic move, some big pockets would buy the Mopar label, and re-introduce real American cars!
Super rich hate ordinary people. Super rich Americans hate the rest of us. They care what their other phony wealthy friends think about them at cocktail parties rather than doing something the people want.
They would need to be very deep pockets to turn that mess around.
@@johnready630 Jeff Bezos could do it
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 The cost to fix that mess would damn near bankrupt him and why would he even want to get involved saving Chrysler ? It's bordered on failure for decades.
They have already destroyed Dodge. A friend of mine who is a manager told me not to touch the Hurricane engine. In order to change the thermostat, the water pump and everything in front of it needs to be removed. I'm switching to either a Honda, Acura, Subaru, or Toyota.
Toyota,Acura etc are the same...Toyota/Lexus the intake manifold has to come off to change the starter...not fun.Japanese are stranger to work on so pick your poison..It isnt 1969 anymore!
Ford's coyote V8 is badass and comes in the F150 or the Mustang.
go to BMW with the B58, I did when I got tired of waiting for Dodge to come out with something good. now with the release of the new Charger I doubt I'll ever be back, I've been a Mopar guy since the mid 90s and with this new crap coming out I won't be buying anything newer than 2023 if I buy any at all.
but but the interweb said the I6 is fOr ThE tUnEr CrOwD, replete with locked ECM and impossible to work on Italian 'engineering'... BMWs are easier to work on, and have a better I6 anyway.
@@mypronouniswtf5559 the difference is a Toyota starter will last 200k miles, a stellantis one will only last as long as the warranty period...
He is in HOT WATER after that branding fiasco with the guilia..he is playing to his Italian market
I want to remind you of something I mentioned a few weeks ago - foreign entities are not concerned about the U.S. auto industry. It seems that RAM, Dodge, and Chrysler might be sold to the Chinese or Mazda in an underhanded deal, allowing the French to sneak back into the U.S. market. This could lead to the downfall of U.S. auto workers and the union, and eventually the same thing could happen to Ford and GM. The only way to prevent this would be for the unions, auto workers, local distributors, and parts manufacturers to purchase all of the RAM, Dodge, and Chrysler shares, and force Stellantis and Carlos Tavares out.
Well it's looking that way. They don't give a dam about the American market from what I'm seeing
Smh This company is on the same track as Disney 😂…by a company like Star Wars /Marvel , WOKE it up in the car manufacturing way, deny your fan base & watch sales tank 😂😂😂
Your laugh at 15 seconds say it all. How can the CEO of a billion dollar company be so clueless?
I had Dodge and later Ram trucks for 20 years. I now have a Super Duty.
I am sorry for that...I bought a new HEMI RAM Classic Night (special order Canadian model)..I wont buy anything else new as they spy on you,Ford is the worst for that they listen toy your conversations and watch you in your truck/car if a Ford.
@@mypronouniswtf5559 The Super Duty has no cameras inside the cab. Anytime you connect your phone to a vehicle you are under surveillance.
My uncle had a ram and he wants to drive it until the wheels fall off. It's a nice truck. I wish i could have gotten a hemi but i think I'll go ford too. I think their trucks are fine. Not the best but good enough for me.
RAM
@@comicrandomness3289 All three HD truck manufacturers have a good product and each has its strengths and weaknesses. It came down to Ford being the only one to offer a wide track front end in a pickup (F450) that turned out to be the difference for me. A similarly optioned Ram (3500 CC LB) turned out to be $7,000 more which didn't help their cause.
They are have no clue what they are doing.
I just come here to here him say dodge charder 😂
I got a feeling that Alfa Romeo is gonna die and dodge is gonna live cuz the sales of Alfa Romero aren't looking good and the nerve of the company to force dodge to switch from hemis to hurricanes makes no sense.
Mopar fans always have older cars to get into. I love my Hellcat, I'll never trade it for an jankomatic rebadged alfa dumpster fire. If I wanted an I6 I'd get a BMW.
America doesn't want Aweful Romeo. We want DODGE!! If only Horace and John Dodge could see what has become of their company.... This is a FREAKING TRAVISTY and TRAGETY! Aweful Romeo will be the death of America's beloved DODGE. 😭
You know Henry Ford killed John and Horace right?
He didn't want that competition 😂
@@kenik2023 Well, it wouldn't surprise me if it was even true. Henry Ford was a nut.
Have you ever driven an Alfa? It is an absolutely amazing driving experience.
@@smurfy1543 No, can't say that I have. That said I'm more of a Gen X'er who prefers American muscle. Specifically, the Dodge Challenger for it's retro callback and agressive styling.
@@SovereignKnight74 I’m also a Gen Xer amd love Americam muscle! I’m a Ford guy tho heh. The Alfa’s are definitely great cars too. I just don’t know about how they’ll be if they go full retard on the EV wave. Right now, I have a Giulia Quadrifoglio. 2.9L TT V6, making 505hp. My alternate is a 6.2L F250.
Without the Hemi, Dodge is as good as dead.
Shows most don't give 2 shits about Dodge...
I don’t think the crown jewel is based around sales. Ferrari would be the crown jewel.
Porsche dunks of Ferrari 24/7.
Implying Alfa Romeo as their crown jewel but it barely doing any better than Dodge or their other brands is LAUGHABLE!
VW sells more cars than Porsche, Lamborghini or Bugatti. But who’s the crown jewel of VW? It’s not VW
I'm afraid Chrysler is gonna go bye-bye
Stellantis is failed at all the higher end brands under it you could say it’s hard for a new brand to come cccto America but genesis is thriving now they bout to push performance version to the whole line
Bye Bye Mopar 😢.
When Stellantis wants $40,000 for a new 2023 Challenger R/T, down from $50,000 but then they still want $35,000 for a 2020 R/T with 20+ thousand miles on it they must be a special kind of stupid 🤣🤣🤣
Same thought here. Was just at a local dealer today for a scheduled oil change and the lot is absolutely jammed with cars, and not a single sales customer in sight. $60k for Wranglers, almost $80k for Grand Cherokees and up trim Rams, $100k+ for Grand Wagoneers with hurricane engines! That's absolutely insane! And nearly all the Jeeps on hand were 4Xes, which at least in my area nobody wants.
And the dealers that still have Chargers/Challengers and aren't still charging markups? LOL. I paid mid 40s for a loaded Scat Pack in 2018, and now they want $55k for a base RT. Not in a million years.
The only thing I can think of is that Alfa Romeo is deep in European pedigree (Italian, F1 racing, ETC.) The QUADRIFOGLIO has a lot of Ferrari design and engineering. Other than that, Stellantis is straight losing their minds with this claim. I think it could also be the way the Previous Charger/Challenger/300 was. one platform for multiple vehicles. the base structure and chassis for future dodge/Chrysler vehicles will be Alfa Romeo/European/Polish. God help us.
Another great vid from butter💪🏻
You RUclipsrs should band together and start an online petition to save the Dodge brand. I'd sign it for sure!
Dodge muss nur in großer Stückzahl gekauft werden
me too, id sign that too
I work at a dodge jeep dealership in Canada. The dodge hornet is a alfa Romeo. Well we have had 3 hornets in since 2023. Only 1 has sold. And all 3 had 200 codes in the system when they were paid. So they are that good lol. Nobody in Canada wants them here either.
Milano is a reference to Milan. The comparison only works with American cars if there was a car like the Chrysler New Yorker but it was built in Mexico.
I can see AR being the crown jewel of Stellantis because it is a high performance luxury marque that can compete in multiple sectors. Dodge is synonymous with muscle cars, which they don't even really make anymore.
I live not far from Brampton and yesterday I finally saw my first Hornet on the road, lol.
A friend inherited a one-year-old Alfa Romeo Stelvio from his Father. It is a beautiful vehicle, but I prefer my Jeep Grand Cherokee. Alfa is a nitch vehicle and I know people who love them, especially the Guilia Sedan.
let's hope they sell off dodge
I agree with this idea. Chrysler has been producing new cars ever since their creation all the way until now. For some reason, no new cars. Yeah, it's by design.
Butter, I stumbled on your channel along with RacerX and OCMotivator when I was intrigued by the Daytona Charger EV. I actually would WANT one of them someday, but after Dodge proves to me it can make a reliable car.
And no, I DON'T want a Tesla, as the human-machine interface is stupid with that iPad center display that forces me to take my eyes off the road to make any changes to radio or the heater controls. I don't care if their drivetrain is great, the driving experience is for crap.
The reason I'd actually consider buying a Daytona EV is I remember when the '69 Challenger R/T was new. I begged my Dad to get one, and he settled on a used '69 Dart. So between the '69 Challenger R/T and the '65 Buick Riviera (both with retractable headlights, mind you) these were the only cars that I actually would WANT to buy now. The trouble is the '69 Challengers were all bought and destroyed for the 'Dukes' TV show, so they're incredibly rare right now and the '70's and later body panels got rounder and made it look less sleek (to me) than the '69.
So when the EV Daytona was announced where its heritage was based on the '69, I was intrigued. Then I saw all the crap you, OCMotivator, and RacerX talked about with Doge being, well, Dodge.
Sigh.
So, yeah, I don't want to be the first to get one of these.
But if Dodge wants to sell EV's it needs to sell them to buyers who WANT to buy them. Sounds simple, right?
Nope. Look at all the backlash you're seeing from fans who want to keep the V8's but don't want to pay for them.
I remember a marketing story that was sheer brilliance. It cost a LOT of money when it was implemented back in 1957 or so, but the Brand's image has lasted to this day because of it, so they more than made up for the initial loss. So the story was this: Mercedes tried to sell boatloads of 180D sedans in the US in the '50's.
The 180D was a diesel sedan, slow, underpowered, noisy, smelly, left a trail of black smoke made in a country that was once an enemy that had killed some of the relatives of the potential buyers during the last war. So trying to sell this car among a market in the US that was full of shiny high power cars with lots of fins was a dud. The cars didn't sell.
So they turned them over to a marketing agent. What do they do with all these cars that NO ONE wanted?
They gave them away, actually. But only to a select few. They were sold below cost to doctors and dentists. At the time the medical professionals were a very close-knit community and talked with each other constantly. So if one doctor/dentist got this Mercedes for far below dealer cost, his buddies quickly found out about it and wanted one, too. Mercedes was happy to sell them one. The doctors and dentists drove to their practices and their PATIENTS noticed this 'Mercedes' thing in front of all their doctors' offices. Well, the patients thought that, because the doctors/dentists were rich, they could AFFORD these exotic cars, so the demand from the patients started to grow, slowly but surely, but it grew. It grew so much that in the US even to this day Mercedes is looked at as a high end upscale brand, while in Europe it's like a Buick. I mean, Mercedes are taxis in Europe, so they're OK, but not looked on like they are in the US.
So what does this have to do with Dodge?
Take a lesson. If you want to sell EV's, you have to give away the initial batches at below-cost prices. Back them up. Prove they're reliable.
I wouldn't mind buying one then. But think of gouging me for the 'first edition' with a color I can't pick?
Fuhgeddaboudit.
And I DON'T need the 500 horsepower stage kit version. The insurance will be lower if I don't have that, so that's OK.
It’s not that we don’t want to pay for V8s. It’s that we don’t want to pay for artificially overpriced V8s. Huge difference. We also don’t want the government telling us what we can and can’t buy, then artificially inflating the price again because they all think they know better than us.
I said this before , and I say it again , Some American billionaire, from the United States, needs to step in now , and buy back the whole Chrysler Corporation Company from this European Company Stellantis !! So that they can restart this once American company Chrysler and take back Dodge, Jeep, Ram , and Chrysler with better American leadership this time around !! And build again products that the Americans want ,and especially come back too V8 engines but more efficient this time and more power !!😤😤💪💪💪💪
0:34 That laugh!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
How many edibles does Tavares consume?
He may take them as suppositories.
That’s like saying Scion was the crown jewel of Toyota. Just pieces of s that didn’t sell.
I call them "Alpha Potato".
ah yes the alpha potato toenail
Crown Jewels aren’t meant to be available to everyone. Crown Jewels are exclusive.
STELLANTIS IS CRAP!!!!!
DODGE NEEDS TO MOVE ON WITHOUT STELLANTIS, HEMI RULES!!!! MOPAR OR NOCAR!!!
They can’t stand on their own feet that why they constantly getting bought out. Dodge isn’t big my friend.
Crash the company, buy it cheap. 🤷
Stellantis owns Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/RAM so that statement you said makes no sense..Stellantis is even in Chrysler Corporations font and color! FCA/Peugeot and whatever else it is merged aka they already bought FCA so...
@@mypronouniswtf5559 They bought it cheap. It came with the purchase/merger of Fiat and Peugeot. Since the magnate family controlling Fiat got a lot of money I prefer to call it a purchase.
Lol, Alfas! From my experience as a one-time owner, the perfect second car to own would have been a tow truck! And I'm not sure that reliability has improved much since then. Like having a stomach virus and trusting a fart.
Yes
The dealers should buy dodge back
Along with the workers!
You dreaming
It doesn't matter to me. I'm not buying anything they're selling ever again. In fact I'm currently selling everything I own from the fiat/stelantis era of dodge. I'm done, screw this company. They don't have any loyalty to it. So why should the customers. I have a third ebody to restore that I've been putting on the back burner for a new challenger I was working on. Now that challenger is for sale for 6k under book. I want to get so far away from stelantis and FCA that I never see them again. You guys can stick around and take it up the tail pipe for the home team. I'm not. I'll stick to my old Mopar vehicles.
Stellantis, if you start treating Dodge and Chrysler like Mercedes did, you will loose us for life. We have deep ties to this brand, and we have nothing concerning Alfa Romeo. Sell off Alfa Romeo and Lancia, recombine Dodge and Ram back under Dodge. Make Dodge performance and Chrysler comfortable.
What a joke.
I was a MOPAR fan since becoming an adult. I bought numerous Dodge, Chrysler cars beginning in the 80's. My dad owned numerous Dodge, Chrysler motor vehicles too.
The Dodge Viper is my favorite car of all time.
The fall of Dodge and Chrysler is tragic.
The Frenchy/Italian farce called Stelantis is IMO going to kill Dodge and Chrysler. It may keep Jeep and Ram to fill the North American market for some time. But Frenchy/Italian will likely ruin all Stelantis divisions. They may eventually sell off even Ram and Jeep. Probably to Toyota, or maybe Ford and or GM. But IMO Toyota would be best to eventually buy Jeep and Ram for the engineering and technology but moreso for the factory space in North America.
Sadly that is how I see the future and death of what Chryco use to be... Well we still have the warm memories and history of numerous classic Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, Jeep and Ram vehicles.😢
Its their crown jewel because they decided it for themselves.
WTH happened? Why would the tiniest car manufacturer buy the biggest and baddest american car brand, and think theyed do better with it? Why compete with everyone else on a general car, and not just have it remain what it already is? The sales were already there.
What a fall...I guess we can at least enjoy watching it.
They are trying to make Stellantis a luxury brand, it will never happen. They are the 👑 Jewel of the thousands of recalls, they are destroying Chrysler with cheap materials. Alfa Romeo used to be many years ago a good brand back in the 70’s, now they are piece of junk/garbage.
Our local Dodge dealer is offer 25% off MSRP for anything RT and lower. Friggin wild.
I won't buy another stellantis vehicle.
I've been driving Dodge/Jeep/RAM since my first pickup in 2005. 20 years of loyalty, done.
I'll keep my V8 FA TRX and Demon 170. But, our next vehicles will be from GM.
It's a tarnished crown jewel
@ButterDaInsider I agree Dodge should be the crown jewel instead of Alfa Romeo
As you pointed out, just in sales alone they crush them with the main lineup
As my dad would put it: Stelantis got the blinders on
Look at jaguar, Aston Martin. Ford sold them to some no name Indian company and they have made some pretty decent cars since. Within 5 years some no name company will probably own dodge/ Chrysler and make v8s again.
Nice video bro good research 💯💯🫰🏽
What is the definition of crown if you include quality Chrysler is at the bottom of the heap
Bro I just said this on knockout 360 channel , told them they brought dodge to destroy them . Its either like you said to push alpha or being paid to do it by another company
The Dodge Aries was the first "K-car" manufactured and marketed by Chrysler in 1981, along with the Plymouth Reliant. The K-car platform was introduced in 1981 and featured a transverse engine, front-wheel drive, and independent front and semi-independent rear suspension. The K-cars were available as coupes, sedans, and wagons, and all could seat six people…got Dodge out of debt back in the 80s. So this is stupid what they are doing….
Butter Da Insider Friend keep up the great work 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😃😃💪💪💪👍👍👍👍
Dodge racing program what is left ? if much at all very said.
No way Carlos, no way in the world! Now I have nothing against Alfa Romeo but this is delusion right here, lol
There was a foto on a report a couple weeks ago that had the stellantis group. The only vehicle listed from the US is the Jeep brand. I said they are gonna kill off Dodge Chrysler and Ram. It is on a EV youtube channel called the electric Viking in his community post
*RIP DODGE*
The whole thing is Sad !
I hope tim kunskis sees what's going on here.
He needs to be out looking for his next job.
Lol he knows it but he not the big boy of stellantis or in other words, he can do nothing about it.
The short answer. Yes.
Nobody is going to fork out money for a glorified Fiat...
dodge Chrysler used to sell more, those stupid new prices will kill that.
If Dodge does die who would we want to buy Dodge ?
Ford and chevy are keeping the v8. Probably chevy since they have the Corvette and dropped the Camaro. I don't really know though. I think that v8 hybrid thing they did with the Corvette is cool. Imagine challengers launching so awesome with the help of awd electric motors and still have a v8. Demon 170 hybrid would be unmatched.
Frenchie/Italian will just fold Dodge and Chrysler names. Sell off and or retool their factories to keep Jeep and Ram selling until they burn out Jeep and Ram. Then they will sell Jeep and Ram to probably either Toyota, Ford, GM, maybe thinking about it Mazda. Just my 2 cents 🤔
I’ve been starting to think the leaders and decision makers at Stellantis are on drug or something. 🤦🏿♂️
My answer to your closing question is neither. Dodges would be ill suited to European driving conditions, and while the Giulia platform might make a nice starting point for a new Challenger, or Barracuda, should they want to bring that mane back, it would need modification, especially making it a few inches wider. Then you'd have a coupe with American proportions.
I would broadly comment that none of the foreign entities that have taken over Chrysler over the last three decades have had any real respect for the brands, or the history of innovation. I think that the spirit that inhabits the halls of the headquarters in Auburn Hills is regarded as a threat in Paris, as it was in Stuttgart or Turin. Think about the closing of the Walter P. Chrysler Museum back at the end of 2016. They claimed it was for the office space, but there was plenty of office space available in the region in those days. Would you know if the building was ever used as offices?
Mr. Tavares seems to not understand that the Chrysler and Dodge brands are assets that can work for them in America, with the right cars. I doubt that he knows what those cars are, or even how to build them.
I’ve been saying this & yes they are destroying the brand !
Mopar enthusiasts have and will always be Mopar enthusiasts. It seems to me the thought may be if we re-skin an Alfa and have a Mopar name on it, it will sell, and if you limit the market of the CDJR vehicles it will have to sell. I can tell you form a die hard Mopar owner, enthusiast , fan that that will never work. I purchased a 2023 Mopar vehicle and it may be my last if it keeps going in its current direction. I am not a EV fan for multiple reasons which is different time to tell. So if Stellantis thinks they can weed out the actual brand heritage vehicles for some re-skinned Alfa or whatever other than the own or original CDJR versions, they need to look at the Hornet. That has been a total flop and is only a small picture of what would come form more like this. People will only turn to a different brand or not buy a new/newer vehicle for quit some time. Its sad to see another classic American icon brand like CDJR start to fall and even become extinct, Plymouth was lost out years ago and now the lonely names that reside only have a few options of American-ish made and not re-skinned options. I have said before the French side of Stellantis has never liked the American side and it seems not only get rid of the employee, American based part of the company, but now lets camouflage what left of American car names with Alfas or whatever, like the wolf in sheep’s clothing. I agree either the brands will die off or will be sold off to hopefully a entity that will revive the heritage we all once knew. Sad to see how you can be so high and then fall to the bottom in just a few short years, but I guess when you don’t walk down the stairs and the route you took has nothing but a slick slope you move pretty fast, or was that the plan along.
There is hardly any Alfa dealers. I like the QV Giulia, but would not want to deal with the service. I can work on American V8s in my home garage easily.
Hey Carlos !
2023 Alfa Romeo sales: 10,897
2023 Dodge Charger: 75,920
2023 Dodge Challenger: 44,960
2023 Dodge Durango: 69,196
Come on over to the States, Carlos. We can teach you how to sell cars.
Yet timmy k is still stickin' around! WHY?!
They will never popularize that car brand here.
No V8 and known for worse quality than Dodge.
...PROFIT margin is the bottom line..sales #'s CAN be hi with Less profit
He's definitely off his rocker...Alfa Romeo?? really? I'm guessing he's just been hit in the head to many times ...or another universe?🤣 By FAR Dodge should have been the crown jewel like you said Butter. This dude is just nuts and needs fired but he sadly won't be and Dodge is sadly paying the price :(
The answer is yes.
The 1M dollar Straddle 33 lets u kno Alfa is there baby 👶
If there was a MadTV spoof of an auto company it would be Stellantis aka Spishak Motors.
Dodge should just be a performance line absent of Alfa Romeo persusasions
The French should stick to baquettes and Sell Chrysler Corp.
Alfa is Italian
@@gas-clutch-shift476 and PSA is French... C'mon man