I Bought an Illegal Saw on Alibaba
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- Опубликовано: 24 фев 2024
- I bought a banned miter saw table saw combo tool on Alibaba. This thing may be illegal, but it’s amazing.
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Brad is next level. Putting the B roll of the 3D print whilst cutting in an AD.
came to make the same comment - that's next level viewer retension and everyone should incorporate this in some way. he better patent that approach asap
In Europe is common to use for flooring installation, there is a good combo like Bosch GTM 12JL or Evolution R210MTS-G2
I had a flooring repair guy come to my house and he had one similar (7”) but was almost all billet aluminum. The fence was extruded with a mini unifence type design. I was quite impressed. He carried it up to my 4th floor with a small shop vac and had almost no dust. It didn’t have any markings that I could find but he said it was very expensive.
Been eyeing up the Evolution one which looks really handy for a small home shop
I could see it being very handy for that. I’d try to make an improved fence though.
This kind of combination tools are everywhere in Europe. I don't know a single carpenter that installs decks, flooring or trims without one (or several) of these. Specifically the Virutex TM33W is an absolute legend among Spanish carpenters. All the advantages of mitre saws for cross cutting plus all the advantages of table saws for ripping narrow materials (around 12"), weighting under 40 pounds.
where the heck are you working at? havent seen them in Germany, Switzerland and Austria at all :D
@@MrCrymet Spain. But I’ve see them in France and Germany. Specifically for people who do flooring and trim work.
Seen them only for dyi ers, pros arround my are hate these things, too unsafe
@@Rompestromper is the say it’s the opposite here. DIYes tend to favor tools that solve many problems, like table saws. This is a very specific tool for flooring and trim work. Only pros buy those very specific tools. In essence it a mitre saw that can rip. And the virutex is by far the king in popularity.
The hook angles for table saws and miter saws are (or should be) completely different.
Theres a micro switch that engages/disengages the hold-in-coil that allows the different switch configuration between mitre and table saw. They are pretty cool little machines and have noticed them coming in to the workshop more and more the last few years, even though Ive never seen them for sale here in NZ. The most common repairs im doing on them is people cutting through leads, blown capacitors (due to overloading) and safety switches failing.
😅 k 9th😢ill 0:17 d look😮hob
As a fellow engineer, your excitement as you discover the feature hit me right in the feels haha
this thing didn't disappoint either. the mechanisms were great
As an accountant, the noise of unfiltered advertisement read was deafening...
@@Ugly_German_Truths And the false info about Dado stacks being not allowed in europe starts to get annoying.
@@tombez6432 Ok TECHNICALLY you can buy them but saw makers make the arbors too short to accept them because dado sets are not compatible with the braking system required by MD 2006/42/EC.
the "sketchiness" of the saw is more likely that it is a no name brand tool. i'm guessing the better brands selling these in europe are pretty good. i can't imagine makita, bosch, dewalt making one unless they actually sold in decent quantities
Well DUH just about anything bought from Alibaba is cheap Chinese garbage generic no name crap.
In our country makita has model lh1040 which is must have tool for door installers and finish carpenters. It has superb accuracy of crosscut and enough of depth for ripping finish elements to the qidth. It is not a tool a diyer buy, mostly because cheap mitre saw and table saw separately cost around the same but get you more possibilities within shop with space around
5:35 That is the sketchiest "fence" I've ever seen. There's no way that is parallel to the blade at all times.
Agreed, but that on the other hand is true for bigger more established brands as well :P
the fence should drift away from the fence by a few thousandths over the length of the fence to prevent kick from the leeward side of the blade.
I just want to inform you that we can get dado sets in eu😊
Wow, I'm blown away by your bravery in buying that saw! 🤯 Your storytelling skills kept me hooked from start to finish!
Fun video!
Do note, however, that hobbyists in Europe can generally buy and use Dado stacks. They may, however, have gotten a table saw without a sufficient arbor system.
And for shallower cuts? Technically possible. Just use a sacrificial board under the workpiece and you have a shallower cut. The problem being, of course, that you aren't terribly likely to have a sacrificial board hand which is just the right size and depending on the various widths things could get a bit iffy. . .
You could rip some pieces the right size or make an adjustable sled.
This is pretty cool! Glad that it has safety features.
you can legaly buy and use a dado stack in EU :)
Pretty interesting tool indeed, Brad! 😃
Thanks for sharing!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
These are commonly used for flooring, base and crown, and jambs. Really convenient to only have to carry 1 heavy saw around instead of 2 to every jobsite. Virtuex makes one you can get in the US.
Those are the exact applications I thought of when I saw it.
That very interesting I’ve seen them but never a video on one thanks for sharing Brad glad you still have all your fingers
"Fix this, build that" in new to the channel and im been curious about this tool and wanted one but the voltage is ser for Europes 240v. Are u in the states? Did you have to step it up your voltage? Or is it voltage selectable.
These saws are common in Europe, nearly every builder has one. As you say in the video all of the major brands make them, DeWalt, Makita, Bosch etc. Perfect for installing flooring.
Thank you for identifying a rational use for this POS.
Yep . i worked as a glazier before. had one in my van and some wood if a window was rotten you could fix it on site. just an awesome tool
Omg, I made one of these about 30 years ago out of a makita chop saw, I used it every week to install custom kitchens. I only needed a 1” blade height and that thing performed flawlessly for all 30 years 😂
Fun video. As far as the vacuum goes, let me know when it does the dishes too.
And that’s why you’re an engineer, and I’m an electrical contractor. Two different disciplines but yours can see the bigger picture , both disciplines have their strengths , but in different ways . I when I was working had to think on my feet , which is often not the best option . An engineer will take a more pragmatic approach . And of course the projects you have been involved with , are usually planned for all eventualities. But as they say the best laid plans of mice and men etc etc. so no doubt you too had some interesting moments . kind regards as always 😀👍
Dude electrical and carpentry are night and day. Electrical is so much easier than carpentry.
Other than pulling wire or the get up get down of doing plates and outlets there is no work to electrical.
I've seen Dewalt versions of this in Turkey, I would definitely buy one if they sold them here
Thank you for the channeling of the legendary Norm. 👍
It would be interesting to to see one of the other Brand Name versions of this saw. Ok I found the Bosch one. Man looks of good quality.
Dado stacks are available for purchase in Europe, no idea what you mean.
EU regulations require a specific stopping time for the blade after the saw is powered down.
Because of the increased mass of a dado stack, manufacturers would need to install a far more robust braking system to comply with those regulations.
Rather than do this, most manufacturers instead cut the arbor short and state that their saw isn’t dado stack compatible.
@@zigmundslv but they are not banned
I could see this working great when installing flooring.
That's incredibly well made
quality build looks good
In the words of 'Norm Abrams - nothing more important than wearing safety glasses'
Cool Saw
the GOAT
How do I get my hands on the sweet Mt Dew combo that was shown? Had to track back to catch that - nice!
The pucker factor is high with this one
I've only ever used this type of saw for flooring (Click lock and LVP). That way you only need one tool for basic cross cuts and some minor rips.
there used to be an Elu brand saw that was similar to this. It is a great saw for contractors and installers who don't want to drag both a table saw and a chop saw around. I had one that I used for installing cabinets for years and it was great. If I was still going to do that sort of work I would buy one of these.
That is brilliant. A 2 in 1.
What app did you use to make tye 3D print file?
They were smart enough to supply a very good blade. 8.5" and 80 teeth is excellent. Apparently a combination blade, which is fine.
Dado stacks are not illegal in UK and can be readily bought however some table saw do not have long enough to accommodate them.
Long enough spindle
If I recall, *some* dados are legal. A video I watched a while back explained it as like, half inch dado is fine, but nothing larger or something like that. Unless that law has changed.
the UK isn't in Europe
@@pacman10182 this is true
@@pacman10182 Wrong. Like Switzerland it is in Europe (the continent) but not in the EU (the political contruct). Don't mix up Europe and EU.
Cool saw. I like it.
Was it just your microphone or editing, or was that motor surprisingly quiet? Is the blade height adjustable on the table saw mode? That mitre gauge looks like the one that came with my (inexpensive) Wen band saw. I'm not surprised that it cuts slowly as (and correct me if I'm wrong) as high-tooth blades generally clear dust less efficiently, so will bog down.
The blade height isn't adjustable; he addressed that.
@2:28 there is no more safety rules then to wear these, safety glasses.. The New Yankee Workshop memory came back right away.
What hose and connector system are you using? It looks wider than my Centec
That is cool, I have been wanting one but not sold here
As others have said, these are ideal for doing flooring. you can just push it arond the room with you and seeing as you're working on your knees fitting the floor, they're at the ideal height for trimmimg down that length of flooring or making a rip to fit a thin piece by the wall. They save you having to constantly have to get up and carry the workpiece to wherever you've set up your mitre saw or your table saw. They actually save a huge amount of time. I have one made by |bosch, i'd never use it for anything big, but on flooring jobs it's always with me.
This looks way better than the one I received from my dad years ago. Way more convenient with a lot more safety features. I like how Standard is written wrong on the blade.
Why, why, why do content creators continue to perpetuate the myth that dado stacks are banned in the EU? It's simply untrue.
They are perfectly legal, but saw manufacturers don't want to spend money on the more powerful brakes required to meet regulations. So they sell their saws with short arbors instead. You can absolutely buy long-arbor saws and dado stacks in the EU and UK, it's just more expensive.
Perpetuating this myth frustrates me because looking at _why_ dado stacks are rare in the EU and UK is actually a great way to understand what makes them different (and in some ways less safe) than normal blades. That understanding can help people use them more safely.
I like this. For a small shop it's very space saving. You could build it into a work table for wider cuts in table saw mode. Then raise it up to use the miter saw. Yes this could be very useful. Probably why it's banned. 😉
I need this in my life!
You can buy dado stacks in the UK no problem
Never knew these were a thing, that's pretty clever
When a switch sends power only when depressed that is referred to as a momentary switch. I'm just as impressed as I am scared that this switch can be momentary in miter saw mode and regular in table saw mode.
DEWALT
DW743N 240V 250mm is the way forward for multi purpose saws they are also available in 110v great for kitchen and shop fitting in the uk
The mullet of saws 😂 Seriously though... It's interesting. I looked at the Bosch model when I lived in Germany.
This would be nice on a cart for doing commercial trim installs or flooring.
Thanks for the review. Time stamp,18:05 -18:15. Among others...Was the straw that broke my back. 😊 This is not a saw for me.😊😂😂😂
You got us on the dado stack, I'll raise you the metric system :)
Those aren't "failures" when dealing with capacity; that's very typical of all the 8" table saws and 7 1/4 miter saws. Looks fun. :)
Is the blade-height adjustable in table-saw mode?
I never saw those before. But I have wondered about the combo jointer / planers. I think you can get them in the US maybe, but not too easily. And it seems like the one i saw recently here was really narrow for a planer. But ot aeems like theyay be popular in Europe, at least several EU RUclipsrs i watch seem to have them.
2:03 i can buy wide blades too, made in italy at that. We just prefer using routers, simpler to setup and they don't risk the chance of messing up the table saw bearings like dado blades too. I hope everyone using a dado set knows that you're supposed to have bearings rated for dado blades, extra mass = extra wear.
Would be nice to have one of those saws. But I checked out that website and it’s pretty scary. I think if you ordered anything from it . They would probably take your money.
Seems okay. Would be okay for many people on sites, but with major limitations.
Has some major limitations though. No depth of height cut for the table saw. That is an import feature for cutting things like door frames. Table top is small and completely unsuitable for large sheets.
80 teeth can be a bit burny on bigger pieces of wood, I run one in my table saw and it is nice for mitre and cross grain cuts but splitting wood down the length is a barbeque.
It's everything I need for flooring. Me like!!!
This looks like it would be great for crafters of smaller projects.
Multifunction saws like this and the Shop Smith all-in-one just flat out scare me
agreed
Yes, at 0:50, I thought, "a spring-loaded table saw that springs up in your face, I can't imagine why this would be illegal!"
Shop Smiths are just fine, having been using and upgrading one for 30 years (since I was a child). Pretty good tools.
Jack of all trades and master of.. removing fingers
@@Fixthisbuildthat Its bit restrictive , you cant have miter saw bevel to both side and adjust angle on table saw part.
Dado blade, no problem you can get them in Finland and CMT is Italian company, that make Dado blades.
Saws are sold with short arbors in Europe, so you cant fit Dado blade , because electronic brakes can make the blade unscrew .
1 -- Yeah, Euros are allowed to buy Dado stacks. They just aren't allowed to have any arbors on the saws that can handle a Dado stack. Ar Ar Ar. I'm sure the commercial saws are able to get those arbors, but they aren't on consumer saws.
2 -- I strongly recommend a polymer face shield. It provides better protection and allows you to wear whatever actual glasses you need.
There is no dado stack in EU?
Some dust collection that is! That bag is probably still 100% factory pristine!!
I wish you are someone else would review these variable size dowel makers with carbide cutter, that are flooding Amazon. They clamp down and have a dial cutter carbide. They look potentially useful, but no one else has reviewed them yet. Here's your chance!
I wonder if they're sold in Canada?
I saw those in Europe (Spain) and I was also very confused what those were. It is like an hybrid between a miter saw and a table saw.
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wow thats cool!!!
I would totally buy this and only use a table saw sled for the table saw mode.
My question is if its illegal in the States how did it get shipped here? I
That thing is terrifying.
The concept is kind of cool. I really wonder what the bigger established brands like Makita and Bosch are like in comparison to this one.
Ryobi makes a version of this. Its not banned, I think it has a lot to do with the market for them. Its not something the general market would be willing to invest money in to. Table saws and sliding compound miter saws are very common here. We have larger shops and space while Europe is generally more compact in what it does.
Ryobi RTMS1800-G is the model number.
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This type of saw is generally available by Scheppach in Europe - although I do not recommend it due to an insufficient accuracy beside the risk of injuries when used inappropriately.
Did it come with a finger reattachment kit?
This would be great for just crown moulding and baseboards and trim
Kind of like my Hirsch saw table. When I moved, I forgot to take it. They said it was unsafe. But if I still had it, I would use it!
How many amps is the motor?
This would be a good tool for making doll houses or for miniature builds.
As the boys from Judas Priest said back in 1980 "Breaking the Law...Breaking the Law...Breaking the Law" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'll never hear that song and not think about Beavis and Butthead, lol
Washing the dog washing the dog
Can you give us the link
It looks like you could cut notches in the adjustment wheel. Unless the is a safety mechanism that prevents this.
There are legal dado stacks in the EU ;)
2:25 hahaha, yes, a subtle nod to the master! Awesome video Brad!
I ll keep this saw in mind....when I need a doorstop or boat anchor.
There are EU legal dado stacks for sale in the EU, from CMT for example.
Fabolous 😮, be nice to have it in a reputable brand with all the safety issues,txs.
I'm curious if the table saw surface is level/flat? I mean, from DeWalt, to Sawstop, I'm yet to find a flat table on the jobsite style saws.
Jobsite saws used to be flat, but these companies are cheapening them to no end.
As an engineer, I would have probably made a lot of adjustments and more safety measures to this machine. Replace plastic with metal - the concept is good, you can just DYI and upgrade it.
Funfact: dado stacks aren't banned in Europe and they're a few stores who sell them
They're just aren't compatible with most table saws. But they're saws which are.compatible with dados.
Make this sucker battery powered and figure out how to also attach a sanding disc to the arbor and you've got the perfect tool for the woodworker on the go.
Feel a burning desire to build a birdhouse while camping? We've got you covered.
Buy an extra one and just keep it in your trunk for woodworking emergencies.
I just got my hands on it... Still has them.
Norm would be proud!
I'm surprised you're not using your buddy John Malecki's safety glasses
Can a person in the US buy one off alibaba still?