Bp Athanasius Schneider: Can Catholics attend SSPX Masses?
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The history between the Society of Saint Pius X and the Vatican has been tense over the years, seeing both highs and lows in terms of ecclesial relations. SSPX Masses remain some of the few liturgies that offer the Extraordinary Form Traditional Latin Mass. Here I ask Bishop Athanasius Schneider whether faithful Catholics are allowed to attend this liturgy at SSPX churches. #SSPX #BishopSchneider #TLM #Catholic #liturgy #Tradition #spirituality #PopeFrancis #Vatican
For everyone here, the short answer is YES, and I highly encourage everyone to do so if they can
Thank you bishop Schneider, may you succeed in resolving this issue. We love the original mass
Original was in hebrew not latin.
@@mikaelangel76 Didn’t Jesus speak Aramaic?
@@mikaelangel76It’s not about the language, it’s about the liturgy.
Bishop Schneider is right on the issue, we can go to their Mass...which was celebrated up till the council ( V2 ), RIP Msgr Lefebvre, will pray that he will be a Saint one day.
not gonna happen. ever. He needs prayers. We don't know he could be in purgatory for all we know. He died outside the Church.
@@joseph_mta5840 technically you're right, he was excommunicated but take note also the facts that Pope Benedict XVI lifted excommunication of 4 bishops that Msgr Lefebvre ordained.
@@anthonytan7134 only the bishops still living. you can't take away an excommunication from someone dead.
@@joseph_mta5840 St Joan of Arc died excommunicated, and she was. obviously, not outside the Church....
@@joseph_mta5840 correct, so if Msgr was still alive, I believe Pope Benedict would also lift his excommunication as well
Canada is in bad condition re:TLM. I'm 84 yrs. old, and was brought up with the Latin mass. It hurts bigtime to see what has happened to us since Vatican ll
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Thank you Bishop Shcneider,for your honest input may you be blessed protected guided and filled with great courage patience and graces of God the Holy Trinity AMEN 🙏 🐑🕊️✨🔥
" We know now that BUGNINI was primarily RESPONSIBLE for the CHANGE IN LITURGY, and that he is AN INFAMOUS FREEMASON."( Archbishop Lafebvre)
there's hardly any proof of that and our church history will prove we have had many bad men make decisions in the Church. The Mass was promulgated by Pope St. Paul VI. It's not going anywhere. It's Mass....Jesus is there.
Source? Trust me bro
YES, THESE ARE VALID!!
Pope BENEDICT gave his APPROVAL!!
When the discussion is about Pope Francis about allowing faithful to attend SSPX, the tone of them change.
SSPX is Priestly order. They celebrate Catholic Mass
" They also called me by phone in Melbourne to say;" You are on the list of the bishops for the Eucharistic Congress. We ask you to celebrate Mass with a protestant pastor and a Rabbi."
Ay. IMPOSSIBLE. IMPOSIBLE. No, No, No, No. ( Archbishop Lafebvre)
Always love his wisdom, RIP Msgr Lefebvre
@@anthonytan7134 God bless him!
There is no such thing as SSPX Masses. There are validly ordained priests ordained by a validly ordained bishop who was consecrated bishop in a valid episcopal consecration. The SSPX has all this and faculties to hear Confessions and celebrate the Sacrament of Matrimony.
So are all Orthodox priests are ordained validly. All their Masses are celebrated illicitly and attending them could be a grave sin
@@icxcnika7358 respectfully you may want to research this particularly where Pope Francis approved
@@icxcnika7358I agree
@@commodoresfcif they receive faculties at certain instances from the ordinary to witness to marriages then on a case to case basis it can be both valid and licit, but the fact it that the absolute majority of their sacraments are celebrated illicitly and attending their Masses could be a grave sin. They are not in full communion with the pope, and they reject an Ecumenical Council, so you can’t be a Catholic in good standing and be associated with them
@@icxcnika7358 You are indeed correct. The Vatican clarified that attending SSPX masses does not fulfill the Sunday obligation. Moreover, the SSPX teach wrong doctrine on irreformable topics such as collegiality and therefore attending their chapels can lead faithful to a state of schism.
Please, please PRAY for Mgr. Vigano, who DARED to speak out and tell the truth!!!
Consequently he had to endure the same treatment as Mgr. Lefèbvre........😢.....
SSPX is the preserver of the truth and treasure of the perennial liturgy.
Amen 🙏🏻🕊️
Thank you for stating the truth of our faith.🙏
Question is - is the modern mass valid - only 17 percent of the Latin Mass is present in new modern mass - rubrics - rubrics - rubrics - the purpose of new mass is completely different!!
I believe the Old Rite was more of a solemn sacrifice, and the new one more of a celebration.
Yes it is because they liturgy of the consacration is still there.
But not for long. Then the future Bergoglian mass Will be Zero.
Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI
Book by Anthony Cekada
I'm catholic no one will deny me SSPX MASS
Without Abp. Lefebvre, we would not have the Latin Mass today. In my book, he is worthy of canonization.
Oremos por todos los sacerdotes, en especial por los confundidos, los tibios, los que ofenden a nuestro Señor y los que han perdido la Fe.
Señor perdona nuestras indiferencias y falta de voluntad para amarte y hacer tu voluntad.
Title of this video is ridiculous. Of course their Mass/Sacraments are valid.
Thank God. Let the truth be proclaimed loud and clear.
The answer is simply yes.
Archbishop Lafebvre celebrated what we always had in the Church for hundreds of years- Catholic traditional Latin Mass- IT IS OBVIOUS.
Archbishop WAS NOT SURE if Pope Paul 6 is a real Pope ( there is his voice recording saved where he is surprised about his actions). Tha'ts what he said about New Mass;
" But now the new liturgy is more democratic- all around the table. The priest is only the president, and sometimes another man can take the role of the president of the meal. That is the NEW LITURGY."
Your misrepresentation of vernacular Mass priests is one of the reasons many of us see the SSPX as schismatic. Pride is the root of all evil.
@@tomburke7941 I'm not proud. Why would you say that? And I know well that pride is bad.
For almost 20 years I have been studying Protestantism. The SSPX, St. Lincoln of Hughs Traditional Catholic Church, Old Catholics and other schismatic groups are not in communion, but they are convinced that they are the true believers and true Catholics. There are always an abundance of sheep that are lead astray by these wolves in sheep’s clothing. The followers believe that their leaders are saints. If I had a dollar for every time I hear that Lefebvre is a saint… Saints don’t leave Christ and St. Peter to start their own Church. Saints like Padre Pio, submit to the hierarchy that Christ established and wait patiently on the Lord. Saints obey. By the way, the original mass was in Aramaic, the language of our Lord, not Latin.
Padre Pio even refused to say the Novus Ordo… the Sspx received the glove of padre Pio and his writings and letters were entrusted to the Sspx archives. Read the book the last Mass of Padre Pio.
You failed to understand Saint Paul VI
This title is misleading. Surely you mean " licit" instead of valid! There is not, and never has been, a question of their validity.
No such thing as "extraordinary form"?
Technically, no.
Novus Ordo, missing 2/3 of the Mass, cannot functionally be considered the same.
I even hate that term.
The Mass was for centuries an ordinary rite, and many marthyrs celebrated. Once you take a posture of just one form, then you made your one church of the rite.
@@mikaelangel76 Nope, as Latin church is exceptional, unlike other Churches, it has several rites.
Ofc it is valid and totally legitimate
Unrelated to the topic but Bishop Athanasius Schneider has an awesome name. Apologies if I accidentally misspelled his name.
SSPX founded essentially to preserve the traditional Catholic priesthood in the Latin Rite.
Why cant Cdl Burke understand this?
@@brucejohnson4462 Because S.E. Cardinal Burke uses brain and knows theology and history.
No, that's not it. It's called diabolical disorientation.@@user-kp8sv3xl6b
Thank you!
@@user-kp8sv3xl6bcompletely false. Remember bishop was asked to go and investigate SSPX. He determines they’re not in schism. Meaning he has a personal insight and investigation. So Cardinal Burke would in fact need to acknowledge this. That’s like saying someone can judge better even tho they don’t have first had experience or investigation.
Bishop said that the pope have permission to say mass only when he celebrates a wedding but not for any other time...then he says that Catholics can go to their masses...seems contradictory. Maybe I'm not understanding it correctly.
Pope Francis gave these concessions so that people would not find themselves in an irregular situation. It by no means legitimizes SSPX ministry, despite what they want to claim.
I’m with you. Can I attend an SSPX Mass and receive the sacraments or not? It is the only Latin Mass church in the whole state of Montana. We need CLARITY! In one local Novo O. Catholic Church I was the only one kneeling during the Consecration. People were throwing me dirty looks and one woman refused to greet me or shake my hand. In another Novo O. Catholic Church here, a nun and priest told me they couldn’t wait to tear out the Cathedral kneelers. When my husband wanted to become a Catholic, I spoke with a N.O. priest who I knew to be holy and faithful and he warned me not to take my husband to R.C.I.A. classes in any of the four N.O. Catholic Churches here because they wanted women priests, etc. I would give anything to join the local SSPX parish where I could worship in peace after 25 years of this nonsense but no Cardinal, Bishop or Monsignor will CLARIFY if SSPX are truly in good standing.
There is no problem to attend their mass in case of a special circuntance, but not in as a regular norm. They are in a irregular position. So, to avoid confusion, avoid to attend.
@@VintageLPs the SSPX is in good standing. You have the green light. Pope Pius the V said that the Tridentine mass may never be changed. Archbishop Levebvre simply followed that canon. John Paul II had no right as pope to excommunicate his most faithful bishop. If you need further clarity, I can get you the relevant data in the book, “SSPX: THE DEFENCE by Kennedy Hall”
Yes @@paulettelawyer4983 so much confusion. What the bishop is getting at is that Rome is wrong to say “the wedding masses are fine but the others masses are somehow not fine.” So… If the wedding masses are fine( and Rome admits this), then ALL the masses are fine. Is that confusing?
better ask - Can Catholics attend novus ordo Masses?
No point in asking the obvious.
"Just because the Church allows it.... DOESN'T MEAN ITS GOOD.'
--- FR. FRIAR. FSSP
Yes it does! So does the Orthodox Church Mass
Yes. Novus Ordo Mass still has the liturgy to consecrate the Holly Eucharist.
But once that is changed as they plan. Go elsewhere.
@@peaceandlove544Our Lord's presence at a sacrilegious liturgy makes it worse, not better.
I have gone to spas mass and confession . It was very nice .
The question is not can but should. Answer is no.
Introibo ad altare Dei
This information is almost all accurate. Except for the part where arch bishop Marcel of the SSPX was totally against sedevecantism. Yes they tettered back and forth. Almost all (not every single one) sedevecantists priests came from the SSPX. You can find inormation from father Cekada (who knew Lefebvre well for years after Vatican 2). Said that for a long time sedevecantists Priests were openly accepted. Then some expelled while others held the position secretly among the SSPX. Current thinkers among the SSPX are back to being kind of conflicted about it.
I personally go to an independent TLM with a sedevecantist priest. We had many SSPX priests and laity who came and had no problem with our mass or priests. The priests would come to our mass and just tell us it “was complicated” how the SSPX handled it .
Can parishioners from the Conciliar Church go to the SSPX? Better title.
This is ❤🎉🎉🎉 answer!
How are there 2 churches? Is the SSPx its own church?
There is one Church. The Catholic Church......the SSPX is not it.
Many Novus Ordo masses are more Protestant than Catholic
Yes, all Novus Ordo Parishioners are welcome to come back to the Catholic Church, and practice the Mass of All-Time vs that heinous Protestantized/Paganized Mass.
yes people are attending this m
sspx mass,
So much confusion in the same church..😢
It´s not the same church. The false churc has gone gay.
The Ape of the Church is not the same church.
indeed,
an elphant in the room, since 1962
In the abrogation of the canonized Roman Rite Pope Francis is not in communion with his predecessor Pope Benedict XVI who stated (ex cathedra) that it can not be abrogated. So who do we follow Pope I or Pope 2?
Canonically irregular but VALID.
Indeed!
Fr. Alar must listen to this. If he says he do extensive research but his research was not enough and very one sided.
Yes I really like Fr Alar and his enthusiasm and his absolute love of the Church - but he’s not always right. Nobody is perfect 100% of the time.
@@veronicasveil7808 ''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
Fr. Alar gave one of the best assements I've ever seen. It was accurate, fair, and balanced.
Error is rampant among the hierarchy. SSPX never was in schism. @@jamiesummers9697
how do you consider, the priest, and flock people now ?
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One of the last true Bishops.
Faithfull catholics are allowed. St. Pius V gave the permission FOREVER and over any decisions against it - in a very solemn and atrict words. Bulla ,,Quo primum tempore".
That would be all.
And are the Pachamama Pope's and Cardinals Masses valid? What is the status of a man, who publiccly and oficially worschips pagan idols in the Church?
Just askeing, I do not wan't an strict answer.
God bless!+
"Quo Primum Tempore" gives all priests to celebrate the Latin Mass. It says nothing of the SSPX. The issue with the SSPX is not that it celebrates the Latin rite, but that in fact it was disobedient to the Church.
when can vatican enlightened, this NOVUS ORDO clarify the people.
Short answer: even sede masses are valid
He never said that.
@@edukaeshn 😂😂😂
Who said that I said that he said that?
Doesn't make it not true
I just wanted to make that clear is all.@@Bouboukenka
until when does this be resolve ?
As the way the discussion is going, I doubt it very soon. I see the Ortodox Church are closer to join the Church than SSPX.
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Today clothes are discipline only; that is under the II Vatican council reform. Before, for Trent discipline; were not only discipline were the habit and were mandatory for all clergy; even for seminarians and persons in formation both secular and religious; especially Bishops.
But II Vatican council is horrible for some things and for other things is convenient… And that exactly my point…. If he likes the Discipline of Trent (that he very much is free to like) he should abide for that discipline; don’t forget that under that discipline the Pope had to sign sentences of jail time and other beauties of the inquisition; specially for clergy that were rebel… I would like to see if that part he will abide for…
For some things II Vatican is evil and for other things Very, Very, Very convenient.
Rather the question is: can Catholics not attend SSPX Masses?
The SSPX mass does not fulfil the mass obligation of a Catholic unless there is no other mass accessible to the person. It is considered a schismatic group and is not in Communion with Rome. Try the diocesan Latin mass or FSSP which are in full communion.
@@Gerry-jr1mp Says who, you?...
@@gerardvoinic says the Church.
@@joseph_mta5840 Bishop Schneider was tasked with investigating the SSPX and said there was nothing wrong with him. Pope Benedict XVI found nothing wrong with them either. Maybe they were not part of the church. Maybe the Church is just you, the barkers on social networks.
Doesn't fulfill Mr Gerard???? So all the saints who celebrated the TLM were in error or are YOU in error????????? I would be very careful if I were you. Whatever you do, just don't die yet!!!!!! You are making people don't like what God likes!!!!!
Schneider's position here, just like the SSPX's, is thoroughly incoherent and self-refuting. If you have to make a case against the legitimate authority of the Pope in order to justify what you're doing, then you are by definition schismatic
Good. Thanks.
you have different ideas vis a vis the cardinal who relate the" dubia"
I am sure more valid than Novus Ordus
More valid? if your church say so, what do you expect?
Thank God for Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX. They are 'irregular' only because they are the only priestly society who answers directly to the Pope and not to a Cardinal or Bishop.
That's not true. They are irregular because they answer to no one but themselves.
@@javaman8895 That is not true and even the Pope himself has spoken well of the SSPX. He sees them as true boots on the ground priest.
Calumny is a sin. @@javaman8895
For almost 20 years I have been studying Protestantism. The SSPX, St. Lincoln of Hughs Traditional Catholic Church, Old Catholics and other schismatic groups are not in communion, but they are convinced that they are the true believers and true Catholics. There are always an abundance of sheep that are lead astray by these wolves in sheep’s clothing. The followers believe that their leaders are saints. If I had a dollar for every time I hear that Lefebvre is a saint… Saints don’t leave Christ and St. Peter to start their own Church. Saints like Padre Pio, submit to the hierarchy that Christ established and wait patiently on the Lord. Saints obey. By the way, the original mass was in Aramaic, the language of our Lord, not Latin.
Calumny is a sin. @@user-ks3qr5fk6m
Father the only one to pursues the traditional mass is bergoglio, whom is not a pope es the traitor, the judas of this finally times.
I do love the traditional latin mass and j do want to go to one someday but our holy father pope francis must not crack down on the mass
I found the TLM in 2016 and burst out in tears during that first Holy Mass that I attended. I was home, I had been searching all of my life whilst attending the novus ordo mass. I would not go back to the novus ordo now. Nothing should have been changed at Vatican II Being a Roman Catholic, our kingdom is not of this world so we should not be changing any of our sacred traditions to fit in with it. God Bless 🙏
Useless question. All priests ordained in the apostolic line are canonically (and metaphysically) legitimated to celebrate the Traditional Mass, which is the only valid one. The Novus Ordo does not exist, it is a creation of the CVII°. So the Mass celebrated by the the SSPX priest, is completely legittimate.
that's nonsense. you're essentially saying Christ failed His Church and that the sacraments given to 99.9% of Catholics are not real sacraments. That is diabolic. We have over 20 other Catholic rites.......the TLM was created and formed in the Middle Ages. it's not ancient.
@@joseph_mta5840 🤦♂ Go back to the PS4 and don't talk about what you don't know.
@@bikerforlife4865 im glad you know better than the Holy Catholic Church.
@@joseph_mta5840 🥴🤦♂
Are the new masses valid?
@@oglins1954 Yes
When the priest has no intention of confecting the sacrament, no. How many clown masses are invalid? Not to mention issues with the matter (the American scandal with the wine Not being appropriate for mass). The bigger question is if it is proper to go to the new Mass. And no it isn't.
They are valid (usually) , but they are not legal.
valid yes, legal no (illicit)
Is it licit to go the novus ordo???
Are 95% of Catholic Masses since 1964 valid?
No.
SSPX are some of the few valid Masses out there.
No, it's probably more than 95%, if the priest isn't doing anything insane like omitting the Eucharistic prayer.
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It is just all so very confusing!!! Our bishop has said they are in schism, Fr. Chris Alair did a RUclips video and said they are in schism at worst in a irregular union with the church at best.
We have some family attending and it’s worry some not knowing the truth. Is praying for the Pope and Bishop really a sign that you are in good standing with the church? Lord help us! 🙏
Your bishop and Fr. Alar are wrong and committing calumny.
No. Please try to read the book “Unwanted Priest”, very short, for some good info regarding Archbishop Lefèvre. The SSPX Mass may be wonderful, majestic, until the Pope declares it licit, you are not fulfilling your Sunday obligation by attending it. I am a great lover of the Traditional Liturgy and I can understand the attraction. Attend if you want,
but go to your regular Parochial Mass to fulfill your obligation.
Wrong.@@franinator9849
@@franinator9849the PCED has declared SSPX Masses on valid to fulfill your Sunday obligation more than once.
If licety is necessary to fulfill your Sunday obligation, every NO Mass said with a priest deliberately departing from the rubrics doesn’t fulfill your obligation, as it is illicit. How many Sunday Masses in the US do you think follow the rubrics of the missal faithfully? Are all of those people not fulfilling their obligation?
Also, canon law was written explicitly to take the licety question out of the hands of laity to decide. A Catholic going to a valid Catholic Mass fulfills his obligation. Burdening others with your personal interpretation of the situation is not what we should be doing
SSPX is valid and licit. The NOVUS ORDO mass is valid but illicit. Hopefully this clears up some confusion. Fr Hesse and Fr Gruner and Fr Kramer explain this in their video logs here.
Validity isn't in question. It was never in question. The Sacraments and Liturgies of the SSPX are 100%. They are not licit. They are not in full Communion. If they were they would not need to be "regularized". One may go, but doing so cannot be a rejection of the Second Vatican Council or the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite.
Wrong.
Father CEKADA was saying that at the time of Archbishop Lafebvre many of them ( priests around Archbishop were questioning position of Pope, they were almost like sedevacantists not knowing if the Pope seat is stolen or vacant ( empty), is it the same Pope ?
Of course it's valid, though perhaps illicit
Not illicit.
@@edukaeshn if neither the local Ordinary nor the pope give permission, then it is illicit canonically.
Pope Francis has granted permission. @@st.michaelthearchangelorth1055
Hello. The problem is not the validity of the Eucharist. But the other parts of that reality they are as Society. The broken bond with the total reality of the Church. What I find really calling to me is that bishop you have in your channel dresses as a II Vatican bishop and is not dressed and with the proper attire of a Pre Vatican obligatory regalia for the Princes of the Church. So in some cases the II Vatican council is not the best, but to don't use his obligatory regalia. He is not using the kind of cassock he should and other parts of the whole of his appearance are not the one that he should if he really is on favor of pre Vatican tradition.
You are confused, the clothes are discipline only, they can vary, no problem there.
Liturgy is the very heart of the church, lex orandi, lex credendi, no optional at all, the changes matter.
I am so up set how the Catholic Church has turn out .I really thought I found the latin mass at last only to find out its a SSPX mass 😢Where to go to mass now. They have the railings they say the ROSARY 📿 And the most important thing is to recive jesus Body,and Blood , on the tough.😢😢
don't worry, they are still 100% valid
I go to SSPX. Every mass we pray for the pope and a picture of pope Francis is on the wall. If that isn’t catholic I don’t know what is.
Who deceived you into thinking you can't go?
For almost 20 years I have been studying Protestantism. The SSPX, St. Lincoln of Hughs Traditional Catholic Church, Old Catholics and other schismatic groups are not in communion, but they are convinced that they are the true believers and true Catholics. There are always an abundance of sheep that are lead astray by these wolves in sheep’s clothing. The followers believe that their leaders are saints. If I had a dollar for every time I hear that Lefebvre is a saint… Saints don’t leave Christ and St. Peter to start their own Church. Saints like Padre Pio, submit to the hierarchy that Christ established and wait patiently on the Lord. Saints obey. By the way, the original mass was in Aramaic, the language of our Lord, not Latin.
Calumny is a sin. @@user-ks3qr5fk6m
I don't get why N.O. is so different.
I can get it if it were just translated into whatever local language.
Watch Mass of the Ages. That will help to clarify the matter.
Left immediately. All rad trads here.
Do you think seeing yourself as separate from catholics is a sign of christian charity or diabolical disorientation?
@@edukaeshn The rad-trads are ones separating from the magisterium not me.
I see you can't answer the question.@@johnchrysostom330
Since you took the time to write a comment, by definition you did not leave immediately.
Bishop Schneider you didn't address the situation if the person's in SSPX parish want to celebrate the Ordinary form. Will SSPX parish celebrate the Ordinary mass?? The problem is exclusivism of the SSPX. The same pastoral care should be given to all.
Not sure if I followed your question. SSPX will NOT celebrate Novus Ordus mass.
They exist to celebrate the old rites, not the new
@@michaelknapp522 They exist to provide the flock with the spiritual nourishment it needs. Nothing less
Why would they want to do that? The whole point is to avoid the NO
Novus Ordo is scandalous.
@FrDanielMaria Please research the topic more. You are enabling further confusion on the matter. Why? Please consider reading Andrew Bartel’s article about why he left the SSPX for starters. There is a recently published book called Altar against altar, that provides a good explanation on what is wrong with communities like the SSPX. I hope you reconsider leaving this video on YT as it only further divides Catholics.
@javaman8895 Blessings! Allowing the bishop to express his expertise, being an official visitator who worked with the SSPX on behalf of the Vatican, is not "divisive" but useful. As someone who wanted to know more about the topic, he illumined me. No need for the drama. I wish you the best!
Who should we listen to more, some layman almost a kid named Bartel, OR should we listen to a a BISHOP who is a Theologian and who was OFFICIALLY APPOINTED BY THE HOLY FATHER AS VISITOR GO the Society??? I'm sorry, but, I'm listening to the Official representative of the Pope! Definitely NOT some layman who just doesn't like them.
@@christopherfeeney1962how about listening to the pope. Since pope Paul Vi, all Popes have been consistent in their dealing with the SSPX. Pope Benedict made it clear they don’t have a legitimate ministry. When it comes to bishops, what about what Cardinal Burke has to say? Whose opinion trumps the other?
@@javaman8895 EXACTLY! And Pope Francis has consistently stated that the SSPX are Catholic and NOT schismatic. In fact, the POPE is the one who gave the SSPX ordinary faculties. So, you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! So, I will listen to 1.) the POPE HIMSELF and 2.) Bishop Schneider, who two Popes in a row -Benedict and Francis - officially appointed AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POPE to the SSPX.
@@FrDanielMaria ''Desire to foster the healing of the schism with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre" ~ The Holy Father, Pope Francis "Be aware that formal adherence to the schism (of Lefebvre) is a grave offense against God" ~ Saint Pope John Paul II "Hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration" ~ Pope Benedict XVI ''[Pope Benedict XVI] did not receive back the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, but only lifted their excommunication. They are still in schism '' ~ Cardinal George Pell Regarding the SSPX, ''by their schism they have broken away from communion with the Church'' ~ Cardinal Gerhard Müller "Despite the various arguments surrounding the question the fact of the matter is that the SSPX is in schism " ~ Cardinal Raymond Burke
Is it valid? Yes. Is it a sin to attend an SSPX Mass? No. Should you go to SSPX on Sundays instead of a diocesan parish and does it fulfill the Sunday obligation? No.
if it doesn't fulfill the Sunday obligation how can in be Valid ?
The CDF previously confirmed the SSPX Mass enables a Catholic to fulfill his or her Sunday obligations
@@MeLLoStAr00 The Orthodox have valid Masses but it doesn't fulfill the Sunday obligation.
@@shenghaodai8548 No, they didn't. That comes from people taking private letters of particular circumstances and trying to make a universal declaration. I've read the articles. I've seen the evidence. It's a baseless claim.
Why is your opinion more valid that bishop Schneider?
Bp Schneider doesn't get it! Archbp Viganò should enlighten him!
Valid but illicit
Not illicit
Sounds like more word salad from catholicism?
Have you considered your comprehension might be lacking?
@@edukaeshn why I depend on gods Holy Spirit for comprehension?
Pride is the root of sin.@@louisvega-oe2sc
There is no big difference between TLM and Ordinary form of the Ordinary form. The Catholic Church has many forms of the Eucharist. There is no proof that TLM preserves the faith better than the Ordinary form.
If you think there are no big differences, then you are not really familiar with the two liturgical forms.
When you read through them both you find the old mass asks so much more on our behalf and is much more clear.
If i may add, you can see the fruits of the new mass in our society now. :(
The Eastern Rites are much closer to the TLM because they are both authenticly Catholic while the new mass is not.
TLM causes people’s mind to drift away because most people don’t understand Latin. Should let the priest’s prayers seep into the ground and make the seed of faith and roots of bonding with God strengthened. Advocating for TLM in a rebellious way, like Vigano and Taylor Marshall, is blasphemous to the Holy Spirit who is with the Pope.
Schneider is nothing more than an SSPX apologist at this point...sad. He's got to watch some more Reason and Theology and take his name off of any documents accusing Francis of heresy.
reason and theology lol is anything but...
Agree@@joematties7557
Loftonite detected, opinion rejected.
Bishop Schneider speaks truth, and you have chosen denial. @dank3435
Cardinal Zen says not to waste your time watching the big-man-with-a-little-beard Lofton 😂.
NON HEREJES SUM , SED CISMATICVS EVS!!!++
Schneider is not a Catholic. No one can hang out in the Novus Ordo false church and expect to keep the Catholic Faith. I am Schneider the One Man Church? No.
Thanks for the belly laugh, and good luck starting Junior High.
@@michaelthrone May Jorge Bergolio, Street Communist, appoint you Director of the Pachamamma Youth Choir.
@@stevecalovich3682 My mistake. Good luck in the 4th grade.
@@michaelthrone I offer you a minute with John Paul II. Consider how the crooked Vatican Bank gave JP2 $ Millions to install an Olympic Pool. And how JP2 liked to swim completely naked and how a journalist managed to take pictures of him naked. Then God weighed in by giving JP2 MS. The End.
Calumny is a sin. @@stevecalovich3682
Truth is found in orthodox church.
Come man we dont need this right now we are brothers or sisters in christ
Which one?
I suspect you won't get an answer. @@padraicbrown6718
Not the fullness of the truth that is only found in the Catholic Church. Orthodox used to understand this, then broke away, but then came back for a short time before breaking away again.
For almost 20 years I have been studying Protestantism. The SSPX, St. Lincoln of Hughs Traditional Catholic Church, Old Catholics and other schismatic groups are not in communion, but they are convinced that they are the true believers and true Catholics. There are always an abundance of sheep that are lead astray by these wolves in sheep’s clothing. The followers believe that their leaders are saints. If I had a dollar for every time I hear that Lefebvre is a saint… Saints don’t leave Christ and St. Peter to start their own Church. Saints like Padre Pio, submit to the hierarchy that Christ established and wait patiently on the Lord. Saints obey. By the way, the original mass was in Aramaic, the language of our Lord, not Latin.
Calumny is a sin.
@@edukaeshn Yes, it is. Just because you are utterly convinced that Lefebvre’s disobedience was justified doesn’t mean that it was. Martin Luther never stopped calling himself a Catholic. Schismatics twist Church documents the way that Protestants twist scripture. The Catholic Church was founded by Christ and His Church has a hierarchy. Lefebvre broke his vow of obedience because he didn’t trust Christ when he told St. Peter in Matthew 16:18 that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church.
@@user-ks3qr5fk6m One has to first be obedient to his or her own conscience and the Magisterium. Source: Canon Law
@@edukaeshn Yes, but he wasn’t told to commit a sin. His actions were not justified. The magisterium is the teaching office of the Church, in union with the Pope and the bishops. He disobeyed. If decisions depended on every bishop to agree on a matter, the Church would never make decisions. Lefebvre also signed on all 16 documents of the Vatican 2 Council. The Church has the authority to bind and lose. The Pope was given the keys to the kingdom. That is how Christ designed his Church and we must be in full communion with the Pope and submit to his authority, because it was given to him by God.
There was no reason to delay approval of the consecrations, which JP2 had previously given to Abp. Lefebvre. Canon 1323.4 supported Abp. Lefebvre's stated necessity to go through with the consecrations. His disobedience to unjust delay was in fact justified, as further delay would have halted the continuation of the order of priests in the SSPX.
"It would be on them [the priests] to resist and to preserve their identity….[I]t is a hypothetical case: we cannot preview the future…, [but] in this very extreme situation when in some future or years after the erection of the Prelature, the Holy See would ask to change something against their identity. They [would] have to resist [and say:] 'This is unjust, it goes against our intention when we accept the Prelature, it would destroy our charism.’...Then they [would] have to say...with all respect to the Holy See, ‘You can take away the Prelature, we do not need it; the most important is to preserve our identity for the benefit of the Church, not of us but of the Church.’ This is a hypothetical case they have to renounce the Prelature and continue as they are. Therefore they have nothing to lose. It is upon them to preserve their identity." -Bishop Schneider
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Do SSPX's bishops and priests mention Pope Francis in the Eucharistic Canon?
Here's the answer to all of your questions.
Their ministry is valid by Pope Francis' decision, but not legitimate, so we can't go to a SSPX'S Holy Mass.
They remain in a schism situation.
In my case my options are boomer mass with distracting music or SSPX TLM with Gregorian chant. I find the SSPX mass much more prayerful than all available alternatives. They pray for the pope every mass and have his picture inside the entrance of the church. I grew up with the NO and am not going back as long as I have a TLM option (excluding schismatics which the SSPX is obviously not). I agree with the bishop here.
@@terabytetechnews8026 I'm not sure SSPX isn't schismatic. They still remain schismatics. SSPX does not have a canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry. I don't know how old are you and I can understand when you talk about boomer Holy Masses with a very low quality of liturgical care...
But being Catholic means being men and women of the cross... that carry their cross...
Think of Saint Francis of Assisi...
We have to renew the Church from within, not from outside... hoping that these brothers will turn back to Church soon...
Calumny is a sin.
@user-kp8sv3xl6b
Every Sspx priest mentions Francis and the local bishop in every Mass as well as praying for the pope by name at benediction.
S. E. mons. Schneider perchè dobbiamo comportarci "pastoralmente" da Chiesa in "emergenza", da "Ospedale da campo" con la SSPX e non dobbiamo farlo con gli sposati divorziati, con le coppie omosessuali, etc...? Il peccato di scisma è altrettanto grave quanto il peccato contro il matrimonio o gli atti omosessuali...
Quanto ha compiuto mons. Lefebvre, pur con tutti i condizionamenti, rimane grave...
E noi non possiamo andare alla Messa della SSPX. Non confonda il gregge, Dio ce ne scampi!
Se vogliamo riformare la Chiesa dobbiamo farlo con fede, sacrificio e pazienza, MA dall'interno.
Dio la benedica.
La calunnia è un peccato. @user-kp8sv3xl6b
Sad to see Bishop Schneider has accepted the SSPX propaganda.
Indisputable facts*
You mean the SSPX propagation of the faith
Indeed. He just doesn't know it... yet. @@LordCrema
The conciliar Church is wrong, the Catholic Church of 2000 years is right because it follows Holy tradition, follow what Jesus asked the apostles do
The FSSPX is not sismatic nor heretic. It follows Holy catholic tradition
The problem with the SSPX Masses is not their validity. They are celebrated by validly ordained priests, because the bishops ordained by Archbishop. Marcel Lefebvre were validly ordained in the pre-Vatican II Rite; The problem is that the SSPX holds and imposes three heresies.1.. That people can be saved without receiving the Sacrament of baptism and confession of the itegral Catholic Faith in any non-Catholic religion whatever; and 2. That manifest, public and pertinacious heretics can legitimately occupy the Papacy. 3. That such heretics in papal robes, though according to them are true Popes, cannot exercise the jurisdiction of the papacy, and one need not be in communion with them. These three heresies , and these alone keeps me from attending their Masses. It is basically the same with the so-called Eastern "Orthodox". They iin most cases have valid orders, but are heretics and schismatics and therefore, though their consecration is valid, (hard for me to understand, but I accept it), they are not in the Church. SSPX clergy are formal heretics; but because there is no legitimate Successor of St. Peter in Rome to be in schism with, they are not in actual schism, but incur the guilt of schism, because they refuse communion with and obedience to the man they assert is the true Pope.
So, Can Catholics attend SSPX masses? NO; not because they are invalid, but, as is the case of the "Orthodox" they are celebrated by heretics . One cannot therefore participate in the union in Christ, which is the principal signification and effect of The Mass; for one cannot be union with heretics. Their Masses and communions are all sacrilegious, however exactly they follow the traditional rubrics, because unrepentant sinners who receive the Lord commit sacrilege, crucifying Him anew - to their perdition.
Could you cite your sources? Thanks.
the SSPX teaches the traditional Church teaching that "no one comes to the Father except through me", through baptism in the Holy Catholic Church. Unless you can show a source, this is dead wrong.
Tony, you are very misinformed. What you state about the SSPX is not true.
All 3 problems you cited were not existed. Never did I hear these. Only this time. LOL.
What complete nonsense. The densest and most ludicrous accusation against the sspx. Lol
I will not attend anything by the SSPX. I think they should be denied access to churches. They cause problems within the Catholic Church.
Modernism is the problem for which Tradition is the solution.
The division came from Rome, not from God. And Rome continues to divide the church today.