I'm guessing someone blamed the 2023 vuelta team time trial crash on the trinity's rim brakes which triggered this change, when obviously it was the tyres that lost grip and the leading rider's mistake rather than the brakes not working well enough. I'm fairly certain the old trinity with rim brakes is at least as fast as this new version due to the drag increase from the discs, the improved tube shapes are just gaining back what they've lost with the discs. I'm surprised they've changed them since the vast majority of TT bike crashes are now caused by rider's locking their wheels up while using disc brakes.
Looks very tasty, wouldn't mind one of those really for speeding around. Just don't know how safe it is on open roads! I trust Giant to have engineered a good solution here with their mono riser and trust you'll be the first to take a look and call them out if there's something dodgy going on.
yep those side pull brakes are awful, I've used similar on an old argon 18. They should've mounted them to the front of the fork and used a center pull brake, like the tririg omegas. The Tririg brakes work flawlessly and make 0 difference in aerodynamics compared to a bike with no brakes at all (tririg claim it makes the bike faster). If you were designing a TT bike you could place the brake infront of the fork and shape it to match the fork/headtube which effectively increase the aerofoil length thus improving aerodynamics while getting around the UCI 80mm tube length limit.
Ive been working with giants for a little while now, when i heard that there was a new trinity my first reaction was “NO GOD PLEASE NO” those old trinity’s are a fking nightmare to work on, like words cannot describe how much that bike sucks to work on, hopefully they got their heads out of their asses for this new one but only time will tell
Glad to see they’ve retained the distinctive Trinity geometry. Only thing I don’t like is the fact that the the rear side of the lower section of the seat tube is not concentrically parallel to the wheel (like on the current rim brake model)…
Looks like Giant have kept distinctive traits. May not have innovated much but a) having wider tyres with skinnier seat post = greater comfort b) brakes are an upgrade c) UCI deeper front end means it looks like frame will be slightly faster. Interesting point on the two bolts and be great in time to hear of those bolts have been isolated. Overall a solid update on a great bike. The Giant set up is quick even by world tour level standards … is there info on the price yet?
I'd be really surprised if there isn't some kind of adapter for significant basebar vertical adjustment. Looks like 35s will fit on this - awesome. Agree on 2 bolt mono riser ... and I wouldn't be confident Giant have got it right - I have a feeling you might be selling a lot of adapters.
Proof will be how it handles - so many bikes have updated, making them more manageable in real world road conditions. Updates look solid…but interested in that ride experience commentary.
Sorry, I cant wrap my head around a 32mm tire on a disc wheel. Certainly they are still designed for skinny tires. Or isn't the separation from the bulge not a concern with discs, because the flow stabilizes due to the lack of a hole in the wheel?
Could they have not done a floating rear caliper to allow for sliding dropouts? Suzuki were doing this on GSXRs back in the 90s ETA; all motorbikes have a solution for this to allow for chain tension adjustment. Missed opportunity from Giant.
Never understand why the steering geo on tt bikes is so steep. Not like there've been any high profile tt crashes... As for bi7ching about Trinity rim brakes, unless you've worked on the rim brakes/front end of a BMC Timemachine, you are but a grasshopper! Oh, I've got a bolt left over... probably not important.
agree front plate is not the greatest solution but if serviced correctly and not cracking very stiff. Scott plasma tri have adjusted rear drop outs for thru axel.
Pretty interesting that the TT helmet has an alula decal. That’s the latest greatest material used for kitesurfing kites to make them lighter and stronger
I have a Speed Concept rim brake. While I think it's insanely fast and I'm not very interested in disc brakes on my TT bike, yeah.... the brakes suck to set up an maintain. Not a design I'm sad to see go.
For me it'll be about how much difference in cost there is... If Giant can come in at there usual superb value I will definitely get one, if they go like many others have and smash the price past 10 k it'll be a massive no
I guess they could improve way moore with …. But this is just a cheap adaptation… which has to compromise on some fronts which makes the og one so good back in the day
Love my 2017 Trinity! It’s an absolute rocket ship and handles like a road bike, but the one thing that always bothered me about it is that the angle of the base bar is tilted slightly downward and isn’t adjustable. Beyond that, I wouldn’t change anything… Btw, disc brakes on a TT bike is absurd and shows just how far bullshit can take you. Disc for dirt, rim for road…iykyk!
Agreed! If you TT on a slick surface /smooth tar with only the odd sharp turn or turnaround, why the F would you want fat tyres and wheels with disc brakes ( added weight ) !?!
The death of the rim brake has finally arrived
I'm guessing someone blamed the 2023 vuelta team time trial crash on the trinity's rim brakes which triggered this change, when obviously it was the tyres that lost grip and the leading rider's mistake rather than the brakes not working well enough. I'm fairly certain the old trinity with rim brakes is at least as fast as this new version due to the drag increase from the discs, the improved tube shapes are just gaining back what they've lost with the discs. I'm surprised they've changed them since the vast majority of TT bike crashes are now caused by rider's locking their wheels up while using disc brakes.
@@albr4 i mean simpler one is why would you want to buy rim carbon wheels as consumables
@@shimona500 cus its faster.
@@albr4 if you have ever ridden this trinity on a course with corners or ANY technical braking, you would understand discs would be a speed upgrade.
@@albr4 it definitely isn't.
There is actually one more rim brake bike still in the WT, the Bianchi Aquila ridden by Arkea.
Looks very tasty, wouldn't mind one of those really for speeding around. Just don't know how safe it is on open roads! I trust Giant to have engineered a good solution here with their mono riser and trust you'll be the first to take a look and call them out if there's something dodgy going on.
Thank you for pointing out about TTV brakes. I have nothing against rim, but those brakes either rubbed or didn’t work.
yep those side pull brakes are awful, I've used similar on an old argon 18. They should've mounted them to the front of the fork and used a center pull brake, like the tririg omegas. The Tririg brakes work flawlessly and make 0 difference in aerodynamics compared to a bike with no brakes at all (tririg claim it makes the bike faster). If you were designing a TT bike you could place the brake infront of the fork and shape it to match the fork/headtube which effectively increase the aerofoil length thus improving aerodynamics while getting around the UCI 80mm tube length limit.
Ive been working with giants for a little while now, when i heard that there was a new trinity my first reaction was “NO GOD PLEASE NO” those old trinity’s are a fking nightmare to work on, like words cannot describe how much that bike sucks to work on, hopefully they got their heads out of their asses for this new one but only time will tell
the girlfriend analogy hahaha
Keen to see what you do with this brake adapter for the current one!
Glad to see they’ve retained the distinctive Trinity geometry. Only thing I don’t like is the fact that the the rear side of the lower section of the seat tube is not concentrically parallel to the wheel (like on the current rim brake model)…
bianchi tt bike is also rim brake, ridden by arkea
Looks like Giant have kept distinctive traits. May not have innovated much but a) having wider tyres with skinnier seat post = greater comfort b) brakes are an upgrade c) UCI deeper front end means it looks like frame will be slightly faster. Interesting point on the two bolts and be great in time to hear of those bolts have been isolated.
Overall a solid update on a great bike. The Giant set up is quick even by world tour level standards … is there info on the price yet?
It was still fairly competitive as a rim brake bike. The fork alone is likely a fairly big gain on top of allowing bigger tires
If I need to choose between your shirt and the new Trinity disc version - well, sorry to say I‘ll take the Giant 😅 Cheers mate
The Trinity has been around since 2012 tbh. One of the longest running TT bikes ever.
I'd be really surprised if there isn't some kind of adapter for significant basebar vertical adjustment. Looks like 35s will fit on this - awesome. Agree on 2 bolt mono riser ... and I wouldn't be confident Giant have got it right - I have a feeling you might be selling a lot of adapters.
Great review. When will the new 2025 TRINITY ADVANCED PRO 2 be released?
Proof will be how it handles - so many bikes have updated, making them more manageable in real world road conditions. Updates look solid…but interested in that ride experience commentary.
Thanks for this video! Was not sure when watching yesterdays TT, but this confirms my thoughts 😀 Can't wait to get my hands on it for triathlon.
Hi, I think I remember you saying in a previous video you use a sealant for vehicles in your tubeless tyres, can you reveal what sealant you use?
Nice. Looks good. Is that a custom saddle on Luke's bike?
As always, I’d love to see which one is faster. Old or new.
Sorry, I cant wrap my head around a 32mm tire on a disc wheel. Certainly they are still designed for skinny tires. Or isn't the separation from the bulge not a concern with discs, because the flow stabilizes due to the lack of a hole in the wheel?
hey!! when it arrives officialy??
Sweet Hypercolor shirt
The wide fork design looks a lot like the current crop of track bikes developed for Paris
Look had a wide fork TT bike before any track bikes did. Not as wide as what companies are using now but with the intent of reducing pressure.
I only know half of what I’m talking about here: could they have done what, is it BMC, has been done for track bikes with thru axles?
Your printed mudguards would fit on that!
The old trinity for being "old" was still cooking last year on results.
Could they have not done a floating rear caliper to allow for sliding dropouts? Suzuki were doing this on GSXRs back in the 90s
ETA; all motorbikes have a solution for this to allow for chain tension adjustment.
Missed opportunity from Giant.
They could have, but its added complexity in a world where making two holes round is a big ask. This is the bike industry, time to keep it simple.
Never understand why the steering geo on tt bikes is so steep. Not like there've been any high profile tt crashes... As for bi7ching about Trinity rim brakes, unless you've worked on the rim brakes/front end of a BMC Timemachine, you are but a grasshopper! Oh, I've got a bolt left over... probably not important.
weird question, where's your t-shirt from 🤷♂
lookslike sram canyon womens team shirt
agree front plate is not the greatest solution but if serviced correctly and not cracking very stiff. Scott plasma tri have adjusted rear drop outs for thru axel.
Pretty interesting that the TT helmet has an alula decal. That’s the latest greatest material used for kitesurfing kites to make them lighter and stronger
no, not ALUULA, Alula. As in Saudi oil
6:59 The other TT bike on the right is running a 9000 front mech🤔
Finally broken cover!
The handlebar and mounts look like a picture of a frame at aliexpress 😂
Where do I order mine!
Yo PT💪
My front brake is very slightly misaligned. I dare not touch it at all. It works fine .. leave it :P
After braking, do a little sprint out the saddle to recenter the brake by flexing the wheel 😄
Top!
I have a Speed Concept rim brake. While I think it's insanely fast and I'm not very interested in disc brakes on my TT bike, yeah.... the brakes suck to set up an maintain. Not a design I'm sad to see go.
For me it'll be about how much difference in cost there is... If Giant can come in at there usual superb value I will definitely get one, if they go like many others have and smash the price past 10 k it'll be a massive no
omg finally, i hated building those things since 2015 l, specially the full shift and brake mechanical (nice bikes just not nice to work on)
God that’s hideous
Thank you
I guess they could improve way moore with …. But this is just a cheap adaptation… which has to compromise on some fronts which makes the og one so good back in the day
Love my 2017 Trinity! It’s an absolute rocket ship and handles like a road bike, but the one thing that always bothered me about it is that the angle of the base bar is tilted slightly downward and isn’t adjustable. Beyond that, I wouldn’t change anything…
Btw, disc brakes on a TT bike is absurd and shows just how far bullshit can take you. Disc for dirt, rim for road…iykyk!
Please update us on the brake adapter for the rim brake. I cannnot do any descent with my trinity and i dont plan to upgrade anytime soon.🥲
This is the shiz
Ok
bike looks good and pragmatic (but that's pretty normal for Giant). that being said, I have little love for these miserable, sketchy TT bikes.
why the F are pple riding TT bikes on sh8 roads?
Agreed! If you TT on a slick surface /smooth tar with only the odd sharp turn or turnaround, why the F would you want fat tyres and wheels with disc brakes ( added weight ) !?!
Maybe for those that warm up with a swim before going out on the bike and then cool down with a run.