I honestly think a gun's "feel good factor" is 80% the sound it makes when it fires. The sound this hc makes just sounds like it hits something every time you shoot.
100%. A few regulars I play with initially laughed at me awhile back when I mentioned “this gun doesn’t feel right because it sounds squishy.” Some guns feel better because they sound crisp or more precise. Took them awhile but they eventually came around and got what I was saying.
Weapon sound has a huge psychological effect on perceived weapon power. There's a story about how back in the day the Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory devs noticed there was a huge disparity in both usage rate and effectiveness between the MP40 and Thompson SMGs - even though other than model and sound they were *completely identical guns* in terms of actual stats and animations. It all just came down to how much "beefier" the Thompson sounded, which gave players the impression it was more powerful and they ended up being much more confident with the gun. TL:DR - weapon sound is a *huge* part of weapon feel and can make or break a gun sometimes.
@@shaboingboing1completely agree. Also probably why i have trouble using Round Robin. Objectively a fantastic weapon, and dont get me wrong, i have 400 kills on it, but the sound makes it just a bit more frustrating to use. Also, xenophage is one of my favorite heavies for this reason. THUNK THUNK THUNK
This is exactly why I cant stand using shadow price or BT Werewolf because I haaaate the sound they make. Summoner is an exception because its a very good gun but I gravitate to way more options first
@@SayWallahBruhyeah I forgot about the handling, I’ll probably try killing wind but I think I’ll end up using quickdraw. I just need that final red border but my RNG is trash lol.
It might just be my bias from D1 days, but the basic model HC just.. feels right. Even on controller, 'The Devil You Know' was my go to.. well, up until the light level changes. Fatebringer shares the same model (and I believe one of the sunset ritual PVP HC's in D2 I believe?), and stats aside from what I've seen at least, they perform very nicely. I guess it's mostly psychological, but even with the encrusted junk on 'Kept Confidence', the thing just feels nice to shoot; a bit of a nostalgia trip. Even its decidedly awful rolls feel just as nice.
When I saw the perk pool, I was so sad. The stats are also kinda disapointing but honestly, the weapon feels so satisfying to use that it's hard to put down. I use it on both PvP and PvE on my hunter, and can easily say it's my favorite weapon we've gotten in a while.
@@thenexus7343yeah bro go for it I still have a god roll from Opulence and I turned in like 6 engrams last week and got another good roll :) they don’t have all the same perks or combinations now though
@@Halofan-ey3ulNo it doesn't. Not anymore. Zen moment improves your recoil direction and increases your flinch resistance when you damage a target. Rapid hit increases your stability and reload speed with every precision damage shot you do with a stack to 5x. So yeah Zen moment ain't worth it no more for some weapons...
@@Bambietta_is_betterquickdraw is mediocre and its only used because of the terrible handling. BUT the only thing that matters is the aesthetic..if you want meta then Fatebringer,Ace,Aust,Pali,Exalted beat EVERYTHING.
Cool gun… my question is how the cantata pairs against this because of its perk pool and good stats not that it’s better but it’s been a while since cantata has seen the crucible on a wide scale.
I personally like full bore with accurized rounds and eye of the storm/moving target with targeting adjuster and one arc targeting to reach 100 range, stability and aim assist.
So funny. Today i played with my cantata impact timeload + rapidhit + range MW the first time since months.. it was still crispy. 2nd slot the New Shaxx smg with cascadepoint
Yeah I finally got my round robin leveled up and I just straight up couldn’t put it down cuz it feels so fucking good, it’s nice to use something other than igneous lmao
Im with you brother. I don't really run too many handcannons when I don't have to but I threw this on to check it out and it feels amazing to carry. I'm stoked to craft this one.
"Drew like a dark, fucked up version of the Last Word haha. Just a glimpse into my dark reality. A full stare into my twisted perspective would make most simply go insane Imao"
You can show me an entire power point presentation why rose is a better HC than kept confidence and I would refuse to swap, the gun just looks, feels, and sounds so good
I recently started playing PVP after many hours of PVE, I really like hand cannos, but so far I haven't found one that feels good for a beginner, which would be beginner friendly?
Quick draw is for the no f given in you face hc players, killingwind is great for people who normally stick further back and play more passive. It a playstyle to perk choice thing
this is infinitely better than austringer. austringer has fallen behind with it’s only decent perks and poor handling, mid range, and poor reload speed. this gun has max handling with quickdraw, great reload speed from enhanced quickdraw plus crafted masterwork, amazing range, amazing stability, eye of the storm, and a reticle that literally does not bloom or flinch. it’s amazing, it is honestly the best feeling handcannon in destiny history in my opinion.
I recommend trying Brya's love with precision instrument. It has 3 tap potential, like an infinite range not forgotten, but it requires 3 headshots and relatively low resilience from the oponent
On longer range maps you'll actually see some damage dropoff, but you can just spec for some more range Edit: Brya's also has golden tricorn, which after a kill, is 70 a headshot.
@@jonahbrown5669 yes, that's true, but from a scout rifle, you have to be very far away and most maps don't get to that point. Then, the golden tricorn, I've seen it in action and looks terrifying on the appropriate hands, but it takes a kill to prok, where precision instrument just needs accuracy. I guess it will come to the meta and personal preference, but I think it's an interesting perk
Wallah you need to craft the new seasonal sniper “Locus Locutus”! I crafted mine and it is CRISPY. Fluted barrel, accurized rounds, enhanced keep away, enhanced opening shot, handling master work. Don’t sleep on the origin trait “head rush”. It makes up for a lot of handling since there is no “snap shot”. Try it out!
How did you throw your tangle orb directly where your opponent was going to appear? He didn't pop radar, and I didn't see him appear visible before your orb throw.
I got a complete dogwater roll from the first mission and I thought it still felt great to use. I never got a great rose so I'll probably try to craft this.
Haven't started playing the new season yet. Been trying take a mini break from D2 for once in my life and get down on some recent releases (Armored Core until Starfield comes out here soon). Definitely looking forward to get down with the buffs to Handcannons though and knock out the patterns for a couple of the new weapons I have seen. Glad I'll be able to supplement a fair amount of Shiro Chi leveling with just straight up buying them with Cores etc.
Watching guys like you play Crucible is the very reason I don't go in I couldn't last 3 seconds I don't know if it's cuz of my age and reaction time or the fact that I use the controller but you guys move so fast it's freaking awesome to watch though
"worst perks, best feel" its literally the opposite lol. now that rangefinder is dead, killing wind, quickdraw, eye of the storm, etc all are now premium options, and this gun has all of them, just with terrible stats, decent model. and good sound
I just had a thought. He first made a video about Deadpan Delivery, a gun with great perks but awful stats, now he makes a video about a weapon with great stats, but awful perks.
the aim assist stat it what you're feeling, the best hand cannon i've felt is the dire promise with a base 88 aim assist and still using today it just glue when im hitting shots. people went to sleep with this hand cannon
Yea, that’s why whenever I hear console aim assist is such a crutch, I point out pc movement is insanely better so it’s a trade off. I’ve always been console and my movement is ok, but god damn the jukes in this lol
If you think that one feels nutty, you should grab the neomuna hc that has a long barrel and green flame decal. It literally feels like a better sunshot
Totally viable. People forget we don't need to run Rangefinder anymore. Killing Wind is one of the best Range boosts in the game now, and Quickdraw is amazing for any high skill player who isn't wearing Ophidians. Looks great, sounds amazing, can totally hang, doesn't need 80 Stability to land shots despite how good high numbers feel on paper.
Guns by themselves should feel good and perks should be bonuses. D2 doesn't really have that, if a gun has bad perk pools then it will be used less or not at all which is sad
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This thing is legit sex idk what it is but I couldn’t stop using it. Going to use my deepsights on it 😂 I want it now
You’re gonna use resonators on it? Red border Seasonal weapons are plentiful.
Ah yes, Destiny 2 players and sex. Name a more iconic duo.
Why is titan still brain dead broken on arc and void ? Why are smgs still skillgap reducers?
A D2 player and virginity@@Giraffinator
When it feels good it feels good.
I honestly think a gun's "feel good factor" is 80% the sound it makes when it fires. The sound this hc makes just sounds like it hits something every time you shoot.
Yeah. It sounds like you're shooting a high powered pressurized nail gun. Its awesome!
Gotta admit sound is amazing
100%. A few regulars I play with initially laughed at me awhile back when I mentioned “this gun doesn’t feel right because it sounds squishy.” Some guns feel better because they sound crisp or more precise. Took them awhile but they eventually came around and got what I was saying.
@@spartancrownToday, on "Why I Never Use Nation of Beasts"
Bungie have some big problems but this is their magic. No one is better at game feel than Bungie.
Weapon sound has a huge psychological effect on perceived weapon power. There's a story about how back in the day the Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory devs noticed there was a huge disparity in both usage rate and effectiveness between the MP40 and Thompson SMGs - even though other than model and sound they were *completely identical guns* in terms of actual stats and animations. It all just came down to how much "beefier" the Thompson sounded, which gave players the impression it was more powerful and they ended up being much more confident with the gun.
TL:DR - weapon sound is a *huge* part of weapon feel and can make or break a gun sometimes.
definitely feel this with the cantata. it’s such a good gun but it’s little plink sound makes it feel leagues worse
@@shaboingboing1completely agree. Also probably why i have trouble using Round Robin. Objectively a fantastic weapon, and dont get me wrong, i have 400 kills on it, but the sound makes it just a bit more frustrating to use. Also, xenophage is one of my favorite heavies for this reason. THUNK THUNK THUNK
@@shaboingboing1FR man, every Suros HC have that little "plink" sound and it kinda makes it feel worse
@@shaboingboing1dude couldn't agree with you more. Feels like a peashooter
This is exactly why I cant stand using shadow price or BT Werewolf because I haaaate the sound they make. Summoner is an exception because its a very good gun but I gravitate to way more options first
You should use killing wind instead of QuickDraw, once you have killing wind active it gets you to 100 range. It might make it feel even better 🤷🏻♂️
I personally prefer QuickDraw since it’s not a stat monster hand cannon and 47 handling is YIKES! But it’s all preference at the end
@@SayWallahBruhyeah I forgot about the handling, I’ll probably try killing wind but I think I’ll end up using quickdraw. I just need that final red border but my RNG is trash lol.
@@Ace_Gunner if u play warlock u can use Ophidian Aspect and some dexterity mods to get better handling and still keep Killing Wind
@@Ace_Gunnerdude got 4 red borders for a single weapon in 3 days and says he has bad rng 💀
@@thealoofhermit that was my original thought, I may end up crafting two rolls. One for my warlock and one to use on my hunter 😁
That second game was so nice to watch. It felt more natural than the first to listen to imo.
It might just be my bias from D1 days, but the basic model HC just.. feels right. Even on controller, 'The Devil You Know' was my go to.. well, up until the light level changes. Fatebringer shares the same model (and I believe one of the sunset ritual PVP HC's in D2 I believe?), and stats aside from what I've seen at least, they perform very nicely. I guess it's mostly psychological, but even with the encrusted junk on 'Kept Confidence', the thing just feels nice to shoot; a bit of a nostalgia trip. Even its decidedly awful rolls feel just as nice.
The sunset PVP hc you may be thinking of is Luna's Howl, it uses one of the original HC models from D1.
When I saw the perk pool, I was so sad. The stats are also kinda disapointing but honestly, the weapon feels so satisfying to use that it's hard to put down. I use it on both PvP and PvE on my hunter, and can easily say it's my favorite weapon we've gotten in a while.
Yo i really appreciate the rumble gameplay with commentary because its cool to see where your head is at with decision making.
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Thanks to the HC buffs, spare rations actually feels like a real hand cannon again too
spare feels so good now
I'm looking for a god roll STILL fuck that gun. I just cant help myself tho, like. If I get 4 engrams I may as well try right?
Hc buffs?
@@CarlosMendoza-xj3eh range changes that buffed handcannons a decent amount as rangefinder is no longer a requirement
@@thenexus7343yeah bro go for it I still have a god roll from Opulence and I turned in like 6 engrams last week and got another good roll :) they don’t have all the same perks or combinations now though
Its the fatebringer model without the flashlight
What shader were you using it looks so good
I feel like we need more HCs with Rapid Hit
Yesss might be my fav perk tbh.
Zen moment accomplishes the same thing and it’s much more effective.
Zen doesn't boost reload, though.
@Halofan-ey3ul no it doesn't i want reload speed
@@Halofan-ey3ulNo it doesn't. Not anymore.
Zen moment improves your recoil direction and increases your flinch resistance when you damage a target.
Rapid hit increases your stability and reload speed with every precision damage shot you do with a stack to 5x.
So yeah Zen moment ain't worth it no more for some weapons...
Hmmmm perks are trash but the feeling is unmatched
Eye of the storm is not trash
@@Bambietta_is_betterquickdraw is mediocre and its only used because of the terrible handling.
BUT the only thing that matters is the aesthetic..if you want meta then Fatebringer,Ace,Aust,Pali,Exalted beat EVERYTHING.
@@Bambietta_is_better it’s not but the perk pool is, QuickDraw is only temporary when you bring it out soooo
Bruh, it has Killing Wind + Eye of the Storm. How is that trash?
Killing wind/eots isn't too bad
reminds me of my d1 beloved "High lord fixer" - a c tier HC but god, it was beautiful to use
The gun model reminds me of lord high fixer from D1
I can’t decide between quickdraw and killing wind. They’re both good. If only they added keep away or explosive payload in the first perk slot 😔
Keepaway would give this gun 80 range at max range. Which would make it probably the best hand canon in the game. Next to igne and Rose.
@@thenexus7343 fax
The gun feels very good because your combining 2 handling perks. This gun is basically always at 100 handling
Kinda surprised there’s no crafted dmt vid yet, but keep up the great content 👍
Cool gun… my question is how the cantata pairs against this because of its perk pool and good stats not that it’s better but it’s been a while since cantata has seen the crucible on a wide scale.
Eots,MT 76( i think hammer and range mw is 76 range ) should put cantata above this.
I personally like full bore with accurized rounds and eye of the storm/moving target with targeting adjuster and one arc targeting to reach 100 range, stability and aim assist.
So funny. Today i played with my cantata impact timeload + rapidhit + range MW the first time since months.. it was still crispy. 2nd slot the New Shaxx smg with cascadepoint
Yeah I finally got my round robin leveled up and I just straight up couldn’t put it down cuz it feels so fucking good, it’s nice to use something other than igneous lmao
Gave mine the ol’ suros modular shine shader for that nostalgic Luna’s Howl feel.
If your crap like me, enhanced gutshot is actually pretty nice for a 2 head 1 body kill. Still gets headshots pretty well despite gutshot
Im with you brother. I don't really run too many handcannons when I don't have to but I threw this on to check it out and it feels amazing to carry. I'm stoked to craft this one.
The Kept Confidence sounds a bit like a golden gun it has a mild version of golden guns poppy echo.
"Drew like a dark, fucked up
version of the Last Word haha. Just a glimpse into my dark reality. A full stare into my twisted perspective would
make most simply go insane Imao"
You can show me an entire power point presentation why rose is a better HC than kept confidence and I would refuse to swap, the gun just looks, feels, and sounds so good
The sounds of the gun firing is just **chefs kiss**
I recently started playing PVP after many hours of PVE, I really like hand cannos, but so far I haven't found one that feels good for a beginner, which would be beginner friendly?
This hc feels good to me because of the sound, same thing with the judgement hc, I loved the sound and I got a good roll so I used to for pvp.
Quick draw is for the no f given in you face hc players, killingwind is great for people who normally stick further back and play more passive. It a playstyle to perk choice thing
I’ve been using ace lately and man does having that bump in range feel good
So is rangefinder worthless on hc now? Should i recraft my Austringer?
Mr. Sir, hear my plight: The Devil You Know was my first love, and I've missed it for so long!
I wish I was nice in PVP the way you just demonstrated. Straight 🔥
This feels like my old godroll Lord High Fixer. I love it.
Whats batter this or austringer? (or all the other kinetic hcs?) maybe we need an updated tier list for legendaries
this is infinitely better than austringer. austringer has fallen behind with it’s only decent perks and poor handling, mid range, and poor reload speed. this gun has max handling with quickdraw, great reload speed from enhanced quickdraw plus crafted masterwork, amazing range, amazing stability, eye of the storm, and a reticle that literally does not bloom or flinch. it’s amazing, it is honestly the best feeling handcannon in destiny history in my opinion.
gotcha and do you think bungie made it so good on paper to power creep old guns?@@optimal_3-gener
If you want two strand grapples on titan you can use the chest plate that gives you a second grenade to have two grapples
I recommend trying Brya's love with precision instrument. It has 3 tap potential, like an infinite range not forgotten, but it requires 3 headshots and relatively low resilience from the oponent
5 res or below
@@riothegod5750 correct! I didn't know when I was writing the comment, but got a three tap and by seeing the numbers I knew it was around 191
On longer range maps you'll actually see some damage dropoff, but you can just spec for some more range
Edit: Brya's also has golden tricorn, which after a kill, is 70 a headshot.
@@jonahbrown5669 yes, that's true, but from a scout rifle, you have to be very far away and most maps don't get to that point. Then, the golden tricorn, I've seen it in action and looks terrifying on the appropriate hands, but it takes a kill to prok, where precision instrument just needs accuracy. I guess it will come to the meta and personal preference, but I think it's an interesting perk
Put on air assault, enhanced it has a passive 12 ae + an extra 40 per stack (1 stack for grounded kill, 2 for airborne)
btw it shares the same weapon model as fatebringer and not forgotten/luna's howl
the seasonal sniper is one of my favourite snipers it feels amazing
Haven't played destiny in a year. Is this gun free to play or part of the new season/dlc?
The sight is big and very clean. I think thats a big part of why it feels good.
5:11 how was wallah using his jump ability and ads lmao. i thought that was a heat rises thing
Wallah you need to craft the new seasonal sniper “Locus Locutus”! I crafted mine and it is CRISPY.
Fluted barrel, accurized rounds, enhanced keep away, enhanced opening shot, handling master work. Don’t sleep on the origin trait “head rush”. It makes up for a lot of handling since there is no “snap shot”. Try it out!
I have one myself. It’s the easiest using 140 outside of Dire Promise. It’s a good weapon. Unfortunately that can’t be said of your opponents
Finally a video where it’s not just stream clips
It feels awesome but have a hard time deciding what should be THE God roll,any suggestions?
Crafted mine today with enhanced killing wind and enhanced eye of the storm. Shit is nasty.....
How did you throw your tangle orb directly where your opponent was going to appear? He didn't pop radar, and I didn't see him appear visible before your orb throw.
This with killing wind gets up to 37 meters and it feels so good to get kills on people still using pulses
Also gutshot with qd is funny with bow swapping
It reminds me of spare rations the original version when it was a 150 but with the gun model of not forgotten plus a lil flare
Wallah how do you feel about 180’s?
Has a cool design, isnt a 180, has a great feel, and has access to QD and EotS to allow for spec into Range/Stability? I'm sold.
I got a complete dogwater roll from the first mission and I thought it still felt great to use. I never got a great rose so I'll probably try to craft this.
Looks cool and sounds cool which is about all I care about anymore for weapons
Based lol
We have an established GM,Raid meta anyway we just want fashion now.😂
It's not like I'll ever use this over Fatebringer if i need a HC for something.
SInce when are keep away and kill clip considered bad perks on a 120?
Haven't started playing the new season yet. Been trying take a mini break from D2 for once in my life and get down on some recent releases (Armored Core until Starfield comes out here soon). Definitely looking forward to get down with the buffs to Handcannons though and knock out the patterns for a couple of the new weapons I have seen. Glad I'll be able to supplement a fair amount of Shiro Chi leveling with just straight up buying them with Cores etc.
Last season was the season to take a break and catch up on other games, tbh this season seems promising so far.
Watching guys like you play Crucible is the very reason I don't go in I couldn't last 3 seconds I don't know if it's cuz of my age and reaction time or the fact that I use the controller but you guys move so fast it's freaking awesome to watch though
You should try crafting the scout rifle with loose change and destabilizing rounds it's 🔥
Haven’t played since witchqueen and not even surprised straned broke the game
I crafted it with cork , accurized , kw , eos , range mw and feels to good to stop using
I put on fluted it feels to slow otherwise even with low stars still feels real good
bro your movement is insane
I got this quick draw eye of the storm roll naturally was the first roll I got to drop lol then proceeded to get a PvE G-roll the next drop lol
KW EOTS is pretty good?
Dudes movement is insane !!!
"worst perks, best feel" its literally the opposite lol. now that rangefinder is dead, killing wind, quickdraw, eye of the storm, etc all are now premium options, and this gun has all of them, just with terrible stats, decent model. and good sound
Asking wallah to use the tranquility sniper, day 2
Dude this hand cannon looks and sounds so sticky when you use it, but then I put on my hawkmoon or Austringer and can’t hit the broadside of a barn
7:36 Man is calling is his Dad's, cousin's, brother's, nephew who works at bungie to get you banned for that one. He is flabbergasted. 😂
Kept confidence is really good and I can't stop using it :)
It's using the same model as Fatebringer with some little spikes or something on it
Like...have you ever played with a Fate Bringer? It's se same RPM and looks quite similar jajajaj
I just had a thought. He first made a video about Deadpan Delivery, a gun with great perks but awful stats, now he makes a video about a weapon with great stats, but awful perks.
Some of those snipes were just dirty😮
the aim assist stat it what you're feeling, the best hand cannon i've felt is the dire promise with a base 88 aim assist and still using today it just glue when im hitting shots. people went to sleep with this hand cannon
That's such an insane movement you've got.. the turns.. everything.. compared to us on console.. holy crap that's insane!!!
Yea, that’s why whenever I hear console aim assist is such a crutch, I point out pc movement is insanely better so it’s a trade off. I’ve always been console and my movement is ok, but god damn the jukes in this lol
id rather it have so-so stats and feel good than the other way around
If you think that one feels nutty, you should grab the neomuna hc that has a long barrel and green flame decal. It literally feels like a better sunshot
that gun is quite mid. such a letdown since it was in the promotional materials for lightfall
@@kaantoa795dude idk what you're on about, i use that shit in pve all the time, no clue how a legendary is a letdown lmao
@@haileyredrix3102 🤨 i didn’t say it was unusable, but yes regardless of your usage it still isn’t very good compared to other options
@@kaantoa795 then again, having aoe volatile on a 3 second cooldown with astrocyte is pretty damn good imo
Totally viable. People forget we don't need to run Rangefinder anymore. Killing Wind is one of the best Range boosts in the game now, and Quickdraw is amazing for any high skill player who isn't wearing Ophidians. Looks great, sounds amazing, can totally hang, doesn't need 80 Stability to land shots despite how good high numbers feel on paper.
What shader?
The fact that I can see that it feels good to use is wild
You can roll killing wind and EotS, how is that bad?
The new ritual hand cannon is incredible too for a 120
did they buff 450s they feel good
Try air assault. You can keep it up to 100 ae for most of the match.
Guns by themselves should feel good and perks should be bonuses. D2 doesn't really have that, if a gun has bad perk pools then it will be used less or not at all which is sad
The weight of the shots feel like it hits like a train.
Wallah using strand titan? What is this sorcery? 💀😂 Also ranDIM with frabo 😈
what shader is on that guys armor
dude whats the shader in the thumbnail
Where does this hc drop at?
I wanna see you use crafted DMT
shader in the thumbnail?
It feels so nice, I'm a hc nut, I love hc's. And this one is peak for the feel.
I don't have the Season pass, so I can't craft it... but Quickdraw and Collective Action is kinda nice
Since when did Killing Wind and EoTS go from A and S tier handcannon perks, respectively, to "some of the worst options i've ever seen" ?
91 recoil is kinda an awkward amount, but surprisingly it feels great
it feels amazing, i just hate the reticle