Colin definitely doesn't know Pen has feelings for him. Not even after she asked for that kiss. He takes her at her word that she doesn't expect more (and reads it as she doesn't *want* more) because, like Pen, Colin is very insecure about his own worth and desirability.
I agree ! We can see it later in the carriage scene. His reaction at her first response is quite clear, in my opinion. And extremely well played by Luke Newton, I might add ! Because I was about to cry, when I saw the look he gave her, at that moment.
He definitely doesn't know her feelings! He's so oblivious, like most guys irl! You see that in the scene under the willow tree, where both Pen and him are so awkward. She wants to end the "lessons" with him, and he's hoping it's because she too felt something between them after that kiss. But she basically rejects him under that tree, leaving him to feel more insecure about himself. I've been in this exact situation before with a guy friend, so I know exactly this feeling. I've learned since then that it is SO much better to be open and just communicate your feelings. Don't try to play it cool because you're afraid of rejection--which I feel is exactly what Colin has been doing this whole time.
Yeaaa In the show, he goes in for a second one and you can see how affected he was by the kiss . His brow was furrowed and he looked so into it And when she left, he stood there speechless and bewildered, like his whole life had been upturned
I didn't see it as a pitty kiss. They both have feelings for each other. Colin may not understand it, or feel it as romantic, but she is his best friend and she makes him happy...She asked him for one thing...and I think he was just chomping at the bit to do something, anything to show her his gratitude for the years of kindness and friendship. especially since the rumor got out and they would most likely not be allowed to see each other anymore. As you said, it was a hail mary, a goodbye. She wanted a kiss and she trusted Colin, and Colin trusted her enough to know she wouldn't try and trap him in marriage because he kissed her.
Oh...Colin was so slowly falling for her that it shocked him to realize he wanted to kiss her. I actually liked how he unsettled himself in wanting to keep having the opportunity to kiss her. You must read the book.
i really wish this included their dynamics in season 3 part 2 because their relationship still has pen’s secret identity hovering over them. really interested how lady whistledown changes things for them
I like the quote "Be honest, but don't get naked." You can be honest without having to bear all of your vulnerabilities and deepest thoughts when the situation doesn't call for it.
When he leaned in, and then he went in again, it was not a pity kiss. He was full on into it. Then she says with a heartfelt, quivering "Thank you," - nothing more - and leaves him with 'the vapers' and confusion, and that's when he realizes, "Oh no. O.O. ...I think I like her. Like, like-like her." To quote a well known linguistics Professor, a certain Mr. Henry Higgins played by the talented late Rex Harrison: "Damn, damn, damn damn! ... I've grown accustomed to her face. She almost makes the day begin. I've grown accustomed to the tune she whistles night and noon. Her smiles, her frowns, her ups, her downs - are second nature to me now. Like breathing out and breathing in. I was serenely independent and content before we met. Surely I could always be that way again. And yet-- I've grown accustomed to her look. Accustomed to her voice. Accustomed... to her ...face." :)
It was not a pity kiss on his part. I think that kiss rocked his world, it allowed him to see Penelope in a whole different light! Penelope, on the other hand, felt that this was as close to any real relationship she would get- hence the thank you and hasty exit.
I like how the book portrayed their relationship: Colin *was* nice to Penelope all those years out of pity. Once they were more mature (she was comfortable showing her true personality and he was ready to settle down), he wished he had gotten to know her sooner and started to wonder why no one else noticed her. Even got angry abt no one noticing her 😂 By the time of the kiss, he only hesitated bc he WAS feeling attraction to her, but didn’t know what it meant yet. And sometimes love is like that! It comes on you slowly, esp if you aren’t used to examining your feelings. Colin def used humor to avoid serious questions he had abt his purpose and calling. Penelope could see that they were right for each other a long time before he did ❤️
I absolutely adore how they heal one another in their friendship and eventual love, but their exchange of, "But I could, and it would kill me-" "But... you would already be dead." had me in stitches!
I love that their relationship shows about insecurities and learning to love yourself, to value yourself. I was surprised at how much Colin is actually quite insecure as well, not believing himself worth of love for being himself. Penelope finding herself was beautiful to see.
This!! Mirroring Pen’s insecurities with Colin’s was so beautiful - they both help see the best eachother and help the other be the best version of themselves ❤
Yessssss I love when people get this season! They helped each other heal and also be their authentic, vulnerable and beautiful self! Just two people who loved each other admits the difficult phase. The most beautiful love story ever
And she debuted a year early than normal at 17, and naturally didn't have much confidence, combined with not wanting the attention of suitors since she was crushing on Colin.
colin definitely did the kiss thing out of compassion, doing a favor for a dear friend. I found it interesting that the kiss had diametric effects on them - for Pen it was basically saying goodbye to love and finally ending the “pining for colin” chapter and for colin it opened his eyes to loving her romantically.
@@udraj914I’m not sure it was pity so much as it was his hero complex being triggered by her saying….”please….Colin”. Part of him wants to take care of her. Add to that his already developing feelings for Pen (even if he hasn’t yet identified them as romantic). It’s the kiss that opens Colin’s eyes to his having romantic feelings for Penelope.
Pen has given up hope of being "that girl" for Colin, or anyone. Pen asked for the kiss so she could move forward; for Colin after the kiss there was no turning back.
Yes He’s always had feelings for her… the kiss made him acknowledge it! And he had been craving for that kind of love and intimacy and emotional connection.. He basically lost his mind after that kiss 😅
@@aprilnyssahe definitely had repressed/unidentified feelings for Pen. Through their correspondence between season 1 & 2, he acknowledges in Season 2 that her view of him, helps him believe in himself. Then all through season 2, he comes to rely on their friendship & really care for her. Eloise gets in the way of it developing more. But then inexplicably to him, she doesn’t write him & it really affects him. The I’ll help you find a husband (even though he’d lose her “friendship” if she did marry someone else, was just an acceptable way for him to be around her more. Even without that kiss, I think he would have realized he loved her
Colin's nod to her at the wedding is so precious. It's the mark of true, lasting love imo. He's still pissed and he'll go back to being pissed, but there's such a solid baseline of love and friendship, that they're able to go back to that for a little while and just live in the moment. That little nod says it all. Plus, the words that would have played in the song at that moment are "you know I love you so" 😭
That wedding was so beautiful to me Infact I liked it with a bit of angst , the way it was because yet again it proves that he wanted to marry her. He wanted to be with her forever. He loved her The way they were looking at each other when they said the vows . The way his breath caught the first time he raised his head and saw her walking down the aisle with yellow being played and their dance of “you belong with me” He would’ve kissed her right there after the dance if the queen had not interrupted
My favorite part of Colin is how he illustrates how asking for consent doesn’t ruin anything. Every time he takes things a step further he waits for her, he asks her if she’s ready, he lets her know it’s ok to say stop. But it doesn’t ruin anything. It’s affectionate and sweet and another way that he shows how he cares for her.
I find it ironic that during the Regency era, the period from 1811 to 1820, that Bridgerton is set in, Penelope's figure WAS the beauty ideal, not the more tiny figures. 'Plump' was used as a compliment more then than now.
@@reginaphalange8500 Yes! And of all the things I wish Bridgerton was historically accurate on, it would be appreciation for more diverse body types! I also don't like all the coded language in the script that pretends like Pen is insecure because of her 'personality' or 'shyness', all the viewers know what the show is actually saying, that her body is the reason, but the writers carefully never directly say that, or else they would be rightly critiqued.
I could be wrong, but I always thought that Penelope was the black sheep in her family because of her love of books and social awkwardness. I don’t really remember Portia saying that Pen was “too fat” to be courted. I also think that since Pen is the beauty standard, Portia might be meaner to her since she would feel that Penelope would draw attention away from her sisters.
@@vickyvale711 I feel like the show does imply that 'not being considered pretty' is the main reason for her lack of popularity with the styling of the character, the actress who plays Pen said to Vogue that they purposely dressed her unflatteringly in the first seasons so she could have a 'glow up' in this season to get Colin's attention. And the show does not film in a way that gazes at her body as longingly as other female leads. The show knows what it implies.
When she said that she could die and it will kill her … his response, “but you’d already be dead” … that exchange cracks me up all the time 😂😂😂😂 …. Edit : no one is talking about their under the tree conversation! WHY?!?! That was absolutely one of my Favorite scenes! They were so awkwardly adorable 🥰
What I like is Colin is smooth and full of rizz when he flirts with the entire Ton. With Pen he is awkward and unsure of himself. Yet Pen on the other hand is so awkward with other men. In every other scene except the tree scene, she is comfortable with Colin and only Colin. She laughs and jokes around.
Random but why is there no one else under the willow tree? It was a beautiful day and everyone is out and about and it’s just the two of them. Irl you wouldn’t find a place to sit 😂
There are some folks who have pieced together fan edits that have all of the times Colin is in denial of his feelings for Penelope starting from Season 1. It's interesting to watch those just to see their interactions back to back without breaking away for other storylines. Penelope has truly been head over heels for the boy for years, and he obviously feels something for her that is different, but he isn't aware enough to recognize it. To be fair to Colin, he also gets these signals from his older brothers and his peers about what he's supposed to be doing/experiencing as a man in this time period which also keeps him from recognizing it. There is another interaction Pen and Colin have just after the "Your eyes are a remarkable shade of blue..." scene, where she reads one of his journals and he catches her and loses his temper. It shows that behind the bravado and deflecting humor, he's actually a very sensitive and vulnerable person, which is not what a "man" is supposed to be in that day and age. In that interaction, she bandages up a cut on his hand, and you can see the wheels turning in his head through the expressions on his face and how his hands respond to her holding them. But he still doesn't understand what it means, and it doesn't click until "the kiss", where instead of the distance he usually feels when he is intimate with a lady (part of the journals Penelope read), he gets the full on 4th of July fireworks show. For Penelope, I think that this is not a Hail Mary to try to get Colin's attention. I think for her, this is a "That's it, I'm really just going to be a spinster," moment and she is saying goodbye to the possibility of love. It's why she ends it with "Thank you." I think she really believes that it's a pity kiss, and she's thanking him for letting her go on the shelf at least with that one experience.
Yes this was it.. The kiss was romantic for us the viewers but it was a sad moment for pen. It was the moment that she sort of closed the door to any kind of happiness she dreamed for especially with Colin….. it was goodbye for her but for Colin, it was a moment of awakening. A moment in which all those things he’d been feeling made sense finally for him. The feelings had always been there. He just didn’t make sense of it like you said! He was just so affected by that kiss. He initiated the second kiss.. you could see how he furrowed his brows and his breathing and it was almost as if he was grief stricken over the fact that what he had been looking for had been infront of him the whole time and he didn’t see it
I think there was a line in the book that read "Colin could think of a hundred reasons why kissing Penelope Featherington was a very bad idea, the number one being that he actually wanted to kiss her."
All the green flags are waving for this relationship throughout the season!!! They buckle but always come back around, I love it! My accountability and consent kink is fulfilled as well lmao
I don't think it was pity or even a compassion kiss, cause there are scenes earlier in the episodes where you can see that he's starting to feel something more. I love Colin and Pen so much! This was a fun video as always
He was definitely starting to open his eyes to her after Marina told him to get over himself in season 2, and specifically mentioned the love he has from Penelope and how he needs to appreciate her more.
Oh it wasn’t a pity kiss He might have thought he was doing that as a favour but he’s always had feelings for her even if he couldn’t explain what they were … he’s truly clueless 😂 The kiss shook him to the core!
I had a lot of problems with season 3, but one aspect I absolutely enjoyed was Penelope’s character growth and watching her realize how much she has going for her and what she’s capable of.
Same. All she ever needed was the right support and Colin gives her that. I give credit to both of them. Colin for being a really stand up friend (and person, in general) and Pen because despite having little to no guidance on how to work relationships or 'do better' she learns to do so for Colin and herself (with a great grand gesture too). I have my issues but I can see through what the writers were trying to do so overall I'm very impressed with her journey this season. I just hope they continue with it next season.
The bit about the kiss Nicola Coughlin says that penelope really thinks she has ruined her life at this point but both colin /penelope comment on the fact that they go in for another round re the kissing cos they like it...
I would love a Featherington family dynamics video! I disliked Portia so much throughout the first 2 1/2 seasons but part 2 has me wanting to go back and watch all her scenes to watch the full evolution of her character and relationship with all her daughters.
definitely compassion and kindness! that is 100% colin’s character, however i also think that part of him, deep down, whether he knew it or not, just wanted to kiss her :)
I completely agree. And from pen's pov she 100% thought he would never ever see her as anything but a friend. Marina told her she is basically Eloise to him, a lifetime of him not seeing her as a woman at all but just "pen", the ton/family's opinion that basically no one would ever see her like that, and colin's literal words last season that the idea alone is laughable. She didn't ask him to kiss her cause she was trying to start something. She was ending something. She was closing the book on her fantasy of being loved in general. She was at the "mom/the ton is right and I will die alone, lets just accept that reality and not torm*nt myself any longer" stage. But she wanted to at least know what it feels like and colin was the guy she felt most safe/confident around to actually ask. She was basically going "thank you, now I can cross it off of my bucket list". Clinical and thats why she had no emotional shift afterwards. Cause she thought it had no mean whatsoever. But he sure did cause colin is demis*xual. He needs an emotional connection. Which is why he felt a distance with the ladies in paris. Colin is first and foremost a Feeler, good for him. 👍😃 So to experience pen with whom he already had a bond, turned his world upside down.
@@maaiker2977 I think you also see that Colin's emotions rule him in other kinds of scenes too. When John and Francesca announce to the Bridgerton family that they plan to marry, Colin is the first one out of his seat to approach and congratulate them. Colin loves love and it's one of his character's sweetest qualities, imo.
@@maaiker2977 I couldn't have said better about the first kiss. For Penelope, it's a goodbye kiss that she had thought it meant nothing to him since he was with so many women described as the most beautiful and Penelope never thought she could be any bit appealing to anyone let alone to Colin. But for Colin that kiss had connected some dots in his brain which made him realise he did have feelings for her.
I was Penn when I was in junior high. The only guy I ever had a crush on was Alan. He was cute, and smart, and seemed kind. So I left a note in his locker expressing my affection and hope to go out together… and I hid and waited to see his reaction… and his friends were with him and he made a big show about being grossed out by it and it shattered my tiny heart. And at the time I felt stupid and pathetic but looking back on it now I wish I could hug younger me and tell her how brave it is to take the risk and put yourself out there. I wish I could explain to her that he may not have even felt so grossed out but boys in front of their friends at that age have to be “too cool” to be interested in a girl. I wish I could go back and sew her tiny heart back together because that little broken heart wouldn’t reach out again for another 10 years.
I asked a friend to tell a particular boy at school that I liked him. We used to take the same school bus home and as he walked up the aisle of the bus, he stopped beside my row and said something which was derisory and humiliating. Apparently it had got around the school and his friends were making fun of him. The look of fury on his face was palpable and he even raised his fist at me. I never did anything like that ever again.
I felt a huge gut punch when Penelope overheard Colin's comment about her to his friends. I have *been* Penelope. Many times, and watching their relationship blossom over the 3 seasons was so validating (minus my not finding someone...yet, I guess?). Seeing her confidence and finding herself, then especially standing up to Colin when he is a big sulky baby after she tells him she is going to take care of her own issues was really empowering throughout the whole season even with the roller coaster of their relationship (which tbh I wish had been explored more because everything felt so abrupt and shortened because they crammed another relationship in there). I have to say though, I somewhat disagree with how you mentioned that Colin was finally realizing that she saw him as more than a friend when she made the comment about his eyes. In season 2, he had gone to see his ex-fiancée Marina (from season 1) who was married to someone else now - and she told him flat out to appreciate the love he already has around him. From his family. From Penelope specifically (who Marina knew was in love with Colin). And I think it was when they danced together at the ball, he made a comment about not having seen or appreciating her before. I think he did kiss her not out of pity but because he knew she believed that this was going to never happen for her and he wanted to make sure that she did kiss someone who cared about her instead of someone who would be taking advantage of her. And I think her breathing heavily came more from nerves/anxiety than anything else because it took SO MUCH for her to be vulnerable especially with Colin because of her feelings. And when she runs away after the kiss and he is standing there stunned I joked with a friend that the little lightbulb was starting to flicker on in his head because he is starting to realize that...yeah, he actually has feelings for Penelope but he still has no idea how she feels (especially since he agreed to help her try to find a husband). As far as he knows, she asked him for that kiss because she was comfortable with him - especially with her comments about how she would never expect anything of it, would never ask him for more, etc. I mean, later in the season (IYKYK) when he finally decides to tell her how he feels, her immediate response is to not believe him and say "But Colin, we're friends." and you can see that he thinks he blew it because he still at that moment doesn't know she is also in love with him. And at their engagement party when she's trying to tell him she's Whistledown (and has a panic attack), he tries to calm her down and says that he understands if she no longer feels about him and that she had just gotten caught up in the moment in the carriage. Just my 2 cents, having watched the whole relationship unfold over 3 seasons and relating to Pen not just from the feeling invisible viewpoint but also what she deals with at home.
Colin needed that moment of doubt for the viewers because all he has been doing is ignoring penelope & making comments like THAT at her "Mama's ball" and by god are we frustrated with him as viewers . BECAUSE BOY IS JUST NOT GETTING THE MEMO. We needed Penelope to assert herself and become more assertive because that's what many of us need to do in life because we identify with Penelope as she is the underdog & many of us have felt like this.
@@ehowiehowie7850my mom was much like Penelope’s mom as well hence my “home life” comment. I was fat shamed, I was made to think I was worthless, unworthy of love etc. all things Pens mom does to her (like when she hears Pen and Colin are engaged and acts like Pen entrapped him or that it’s not a real engagement).
I love pen and Colin's relationship- they have the strongest most realistic relationship I have seen so far and I love it- they pick up when something is wrong with the other, Colin gives her space to tell when she is ready. I love that when they talk outside of the modiste he is actively listening- he asks her questions, he doesn't yell at her, he stays calm, he doesn't run away, and she genuinely answers them - it's clear it's more about his jealousy and his fear for her safety then her actually being whistledown. When he said that she entrapped him he clearly said that out of pain and anger because she didn't entrap him- he is the one who initiated sex, she repeatedly gives him an out and he doesn't take it because he knows deep down that she didn't do that he is just deeply hurt that she kept that a secret and he loves her and wants to marry her. it's obvious how much he wants to be physically intimate with her but is holding back because he is still processing all of this new information which I love- when he opens the door and she is standing there and you see him almost go in and kiss her but he restrains himself even though he wants to because he is not ready. He deeply loves her and for him to have sex with her when they are not in a good place isn't fair to her or him- so by not having sex he is respecting both of them. The first show runner also said that Colin is supposed to be demisexual so him not wanting to have sex when the are not in a good space makes sense- he feels disconnected to her and having sex with her because he is still processing so much new information and feels emotionally separated from her at the moment makes complete sense. It has been ingrained in him that it is a mans job to provide for and protect his wife, so when she says she can take care of herself and he says then what good am I to you, you can feel the pain, pen is independent and doesn't need him in that way, she just needs him for him and it takes some time for him to accept the role reversal
LOVE LOVE LOVE the scene outside the modiste. It was so vulnerable and honest. I love the focus on communication between them, how after years of hiding her crush on him and her true identity Penelope puts an end to the lies and decides that they won't be deceitful with each other anymore. They show their true feelings, no matter how ugly or unfair, without making the other feel responsible. "I feel this. I need time. I appreciated this or that" we stan a healthy relationship
THIS!! you just made me feel better about ALL of the things that were upsetting me about Colin's reaction. first the entrapment comment (which honesltly bugged me the most out of everything bc we never see him apologize or acknowledge the pain it caused Pen) which he used specifically because he already heard Portia say it. The argument outside the modiste. To the nod at the wedding and the viewer thinking everything will be ok again. Then sleeping on the couch after the wedding even though he still has an obvious attraction to her still. When he has the conversation with Cressida and you know that HE knows he's already forgiven her for being LW but he was really just upset that she kept something from him and now he has to keep it from everyone else including his family. And the way Pen realized when Colin fails to save her from the blackmail that he is upset because he thinks he has to earn her love. Thank you! I'm feeling better.
So wonderfully said I didn’t feel any type of way with the entrapment line… like it was obvious he was just hurt and upset I don’t know why people are fixated on that! It definitely Wasn’t his true feelings and pen understood
I love your comment. Very true. I understand that Pen is very independent and I think part of Colin’s growth was relinquishing some of that hero complex. Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with him having a hero complex and wanting to take care of Pen.
In the book Pen of course asks for the kiss, pretty much the exact same way that it happened in the show. But we get to see into Colins mind when she does. It was gradual, but he started developing feelings for her before the kiss. He was even starting to become attracted to her. So when she asks him to kiss her, he wants to hold himself back because he knew as soon as he accepted, there would be no going back for him. He knew he would essentially be hers. But after she said please he had no resolve left to prevent himself from kissing her. So he didnt do it out of pity or really compassion, it was genuinely pure love. The show obviously has no inner monolouges to show Colins rising love and attraction for Pen, but they do try showing it in small ways. Like with the way he looks at her at the ball where she shows off her new look. The look he gives her when they shake hands. The compliment she gives him about his eyes. Of course the lamp breaking scene. And even righr after she talks to the man in the wheel chair, where he shows genuine jealousy. The show isnt as obvious as a book but the romance was growing even before the kiss. But it was perhaps more obvious to them both after it had occured.
I am definitely of the opinion, having not read the books, that he definitely was in love with her before the kiss but he just didn't realize it fully. The kiss just connected those dots in his head in my mind. 😁
The show actually did great in showing all these Luke newton is a star actor. He is truly phenomenal because Colin is such a complex character and he brought his emotions and sensitivities to life… He’s always had feelings but Colin is clueless in that aspect and that’s why he didn’t recognise what it was for so long
This actress who plays Penelope is wonderful! Highly recommend watching a wonderful series called Derry Girls. It was LOL funny from the first episode. it takes place in Northern Ireland during The Troubles in the 90s. It's SO good!
I absolutely loved the kiss scene. It is so sweet and honestly it didn't come across to me as sexual exactly but more emotional and just full of love. I don't think it was a bad thing for her to ask, especially in context of the era in which she lived. Having never been kissed is something that can weigh on a person, you want that feeling you want to know what it's like to feel that with somebody that you care about. And I think she's very lonely because she has never experienced that sort of relationship. I also don't think he knew that he loved her before the kiss. The show pretty clearly illustrates that it was the kiss that connected the dots in his head. Like he kissed her because she's his friend and he wanted to comfort her. Not out of pity but like you said, out of compassion. But I don't think he knew what his true feelings were for her until the kiss happened. I absolutely believe he loved her deeply, but he just didn't realize it was a romantic love until after the kiss. Gosh, rewatching that scene just now in this video almost made me cry. It was just so sweet, I loved it so much.
I'm actually not sure he knows. I never saw it that way. When she gave him this huge compliment while they were pretending to be at a ball, and he looked at her stunned and in shock, I thought that her words were just giving him feelings. Which he already began to have when he cut his hand and she took care of the wound and touched his hand (which was super uncommon back then)... What do you think? Also when she asked him to kiss her I still read it as something a friend would do for you and not necessarily her revealing her feelings. A lot of teenagers explore stuff together as friends (at least in my experience). I would love to hear your thoughts on that :) Also, do you think you will want to make more videos about Bridgerton? Maybe about Cressida or about Eloise's and Penelope's friendship or about Lady Fetherington's and Penelope's mother-daughter relationship? I would be very excited about that :D
he cut his hand after she made the complement about his eyes - they heard Eloise coming back from the modiste, and he told her to go hide in the study where she found and read his journal, etc.
Absolutely fabulous to watch them grow and mature into their love story. Neither one knew till this season just how much they actually cared for each other. Awesome that she took the leap of faith and the kiss finalized it and the true love story began!
Gosh the unrequited love- i confessed my love to my high school crush only in the context of needing to get it off my chest since I was trying to get over him. Spoiler -we are still friends to this day, but I was right that he didn’t feel that way about me. Love has many different facets and I think it small imagination to condemn a love to only one form for all time
I think whatever reason Colin told himself he was kissing Penelope, truthfully he just wanted to… if Penelope hadn’t run off and they both had been more confident being vulnerable about their feelings, Debling would never even have come into the story.
inspired by the mantle behind you that really makes you have angelic wings: please therapise Aziraphale and Crowley from Good Omens (yes, repeat request, I know) 🙂
I know that season 3 left much to be desired but for sure the previous seasons definitely set up for Colin to be unsure of his purpose in life & add to it what happened with Marina, it is an insecurity 🎁! Which is why I believe his behavior & some of his words in part 2 is understandable (though obviously not cool). I mean imagine you feel crap about yourself and in your mind, the person you love echoed those feelings behind your back. Or thought you were so dense that you needed to humiliated publicly to finally get it. I think we all knew Pen was insecure but as the seasons went on, so was Colin & its so beautiful to see a couple heal each other from that!
Wonderful analysis of the complex characters that is only possible because of the off the chart chemistry of the two actors involved. As a foolish romantic myself I have seen most every single romance movies and all the great will they, won’t they TV shows as well. This kiss, is in the top five for me due to how perfectly it was filmed and executed. ***** on a completely different subject, and because I have no idea how you normally take movie recommendations, I have a suggestion. There is a Hallmark movie called “My Norwegian Holiday” that I would enjoy seeing you analyze. It’s fascinating watching an American immerse herself in another culture and find connections she didn’t know were there. Just a suggestion.
So many curvy women (me included) cried, just because the big girl gets the pretty boy. It's like we get seen finally through Penelope. We all know the feeling of being overlooked and not being pretty enough (and being told we're not). So this is societally important. And if you look at the reactions to her breasts and naked body, I get hopefull that more men will see that big is beautiful. And the fact that the bridggerton brothers are accepting her and Colin's choice, hopefully gives men nowadays permission to like and love bigger women. Because it really is a societal thing. ❤❤❤
Colin always felt some kind of way about Pen. He breaks so many rules with her. He holds her hand and drags her along. He writes to her without permission from her Mother, he pulls her into rooms, and shuts the door. He never signs her dance card. Ever, he just pulls her out on the dance floor. Anthony forbade him from seeing Marina and Colin complied. With Pen, he bribes a maid so he can see her. That kiss was not a pity kiss, he knew what he was doing
*Spoiler warning for 2nd half of season 3* I wish you reviewed the second half of the season to see Colin become demanding, abusive, manipulative and extraordinarily controlling of Penelope. He ruined her wedding (as did his sister), he was throwing harsh ultimatums left and right, but he never tried to understand why she writes this column, how alone and overlooked she felt. He was also jealous of her accomplishments. Colin doesn't even romance or court her, because fat chicks don't get romance, instead he leads the relationship with his libido and no consideration of her, then accuses her of trapping him with sex (that he initiated with an 18 y/o virgin). They made Colin absolutely disgusting in the second half of the season.
I think the drawing room scene is so important and servess as a glimpse into how they were together as children, just playing and innocently enjoying each others company. Colin is happiest when just hanging out with Penelope. Because he missed her, he longed to spend time with her. The only way he knew how to be with her was playful. Except now they are older and the game has changed.
The thing about Colin's oblivion is that he mistakes ALL of Pen's body language, and subtle hints, as nothing because he's got her in the Bestie Zone. He says hed never court her, not in your wildest fantasies, because she's his best friend and she's 'a catch' for another man. He wants to fit in but the men, and Pen, both mistake his words for distaste instead of respect. He views her hints as kindness. He sees her heavy breathing not as excitement, but as Pen on the verge of tears. He's a dunderhead until the moment he kisses her and feel the fireworks. I think the first kiss is a pity kiss, but that breath, pause, and going in for the second kiss/passionate make-out is ALL emotion and attraction and you can see the sparklers in Colin's eyes as Pen runs off into the garden, embarrassed and confused.
I just finished binging this, so perfect time for this episode. I was basically in tears a lot throughout this season, because I related to Penelope so much. I was bullied for so many years, was obese for so many years (thankfully no longer) and felt undesirable for such a big part of my life. Even though I'm in a much, much better place now, this season was such a big reminder of those old feelings.
I would love to see a Featherington family dynamics video! I disliked Portia so much throughout the first 2 1/2 seasons but part 2 of season 3 has me wanting to go back and watch all her scenes to watch the full evolution of her character and relationship with all her daughters.
Hope if there's chance to analyze their relationship in part 2 of the season, as it deals so much with the gap of intimacy and emotional turmoil and it'd be so interesting to hear your opinion!
Love this, but you should react to part 2 where they’re actually pursuing a romantic relationship amidst Pen’s Whistledown issue. I would love to hear your thoughts on how they are as a romantic couple and how they went about with the whole Whistledown situation!
This was awesome! I would love for you to do another season 3 video as I think there are a lot of good moments to evaluate in ep 3-8. I don't really think that Colin ever realized that Penelope had feelings for him but I don't think it was because he wasn't paying attention but rather that he also had feeling for her under the surface so their relationship always just felt normal to him. He also doesn't have any other female friends, aside from his sisters, so I'm guessing he thought that is what it is like to be friends with a girl.
Yes this was spot on He didn’t have enough experience to categorise or realise that the ode feelings were romantic even though they would look at each other for unusual length of time They were always looking for each other at any event He always was alone with her even when he shouldn’t be… Her comments about his eyes being remarkable shade of blue left him speechless and flustered and the whole scene in the drawing scene I strongly believe he never loved marina. He thought it was love but it wasn’t and thus it makes sense that he still didn’t have any other romantic experience to understand his feelings for pen The kiss was what opened his eyes because already he stated that being intimate with women left him feeling lonely and distant… It made sense that it was something remotely sexual (a kiss) that helped him realise it!
Definitely not a pity kiss and definitely not Penelope begging for a kiss. I see it as she was at rock bottom in that moment, public humiliation and her mom basically kicking her while she was down. But sometimes in those lowest moments, you find courage. I see Pen as deciding right then to take ownership of her first kiss - it was very brave. And it was a request she made to a trusted friend - she couldn't have done that with anyone else. And for Colin, to be able to comply/acquiesce showed he trusted her not to entrap him (very scandalous if they were caught in Regency times). Most beautiful first kiss every portrayed on TV show. So sweet/gentle.
Colin could've stopped with the first little kiss. That couldve been it. When faced with the opportunity he went back. She was innocent in the whole process and even thanked him in the end. She didn't realize that the first kiss, may have been out of friendly compassion, but that second bit, that was because HE wanted to kiss her. While Colin states that hes just trying to be the man everyone wants him to be, its not who he truly is. He has felt something underneath for her all these years but society's expectations of him have made him hide or push down any possibility. He also struggles with his purpose and worth. Only after he acknowledges that she has seen and loved the real him does he release that armor. I love them in the books and in the show. To be truly seen and loved just as you are is a gift and I am so happy that they eventually figure that out.
I think it is a pity-kiss for his good friend when they are apart. As he moves in it turns to compassion. After their lips touch, it turns to desire. And when she flees, it becomes confusion and surprise.
Colin wants to kiss her. I know his internal monologue from the books, but he loves Pen. He just doesn't realise he loves Pen until this moment. He's also just spent a whole episode chasing her about, getting jealous over other guys and bribing her maid in the middle of the night to see her. He's down bad and he can see how beautiful she is
I mean, he told the truth about not courting her; he really didn’t court her. He went right from admitting his feelings, making out with her, and right to the engagement.
I was wondering....It would be great if you could do their relationship analysis. It might be interesting to see their interactions from a psychologist' s point of view.
I don’t think when she complements his eyes and how the shine brighter when he is kind. A compliment to both his looks and his inner self that most don’t realize matter to him. that he thought she saw him as more than a friend since clearly after the kiss he is freaking out thinking he has feelings for her that aren’t reciprocated. I think when she gave him that compliment his reaction was more to that fact that, oh wow what she said to me really stirred up feelings for me. Knowing as we know that they write to each other every time he goes away and also that he looks for her at every assembly because what she tells him and how she views the world really resonates with who Colin truly is inside not the him he shows society. I think he had never really evaluated what pen made him feel. And this moment was an oh my god moment because what she told him was a flirtatious compliment about him rather than a general assessment of the world around them. He now starts to see that she can make him feel things he has never felt before not as a friend but as a man.
The first Colin and Penelope kiss reminds me very much of Christian Bale and Kirsten Dunst's performance of Laurie & Amy in Little Women (1994) " I promise to kiss you before you die. " I thought it was a sweet, delicate touch. I think the Bridgerton books does the book kiss a tad differently so I really appreciated the changes Netflix made.
I love this! Please continue into part 2 of their relationship! I would love to hear your thoughts on part 2 especially Colin's speech at the end of episode 8.
I love that Colin talking to the other guys at the end of season 2 with Penelope overhearing mirrors when Kate hears Anthony saying he's not interested in being in love. I think it's such a great moment connecting storylines/siblings/love stories, and really shows Colin's arc of trying to be the way he's "supposed to" across seasons.
I'm clearly in the minority on this, but I don't think Colin was being insulting or dismissive towards Penelope at the end of season 2. It makes perfect sense that she would take it that way, and even that the audience would, since she's our viewpoint character. But that's because of our natural human tendency to assume the worst. We see that playing out in multiple ways in the scene where she confronts him about it. He compliments her dress and she assumes he's mocking her. He wants to find a place where they can talk alone, and she assumes it's because he's embarrassed to be seen with her. But we the audience just saw him interrupt a conversation with two men (who were part of that same group from season 2) to express concern over her, and then when they tried to dismiss her, he straight up ditched them to go check on her with no pretense whatsoever. And earlier at the garden party, he not only sought her out in broad daylight, but she was the only person he spoke to individually, which would clearly single her out to anyone who was paying attention. He is _clearly_ not ashamed to be seen with her. But it makes sense that, in her hurt, anger, and embarrassment, she would assume that was the reason. The same goes for his comment at the ball in season 2. What did he really say? That he wouldn't dream of courting her. But as much as it hurts Penelope (and us) to hear, that isn't actually an insult. There are plenty of reasons you might not date someone that have nothing to do with their worth or desirability. Including the fact that, as far as Colin knew, Penelope only saw _him_ as a friend. Her crush is obvious to us, but we have to remember that we've seen soooo much that he hasn't. He only has a fraction of the evidence we do. Plus, with his insecurities, he would never attribute her attentions to love- he just assumes it's all because she's his friend. Even after the scene in the drawing room, and their first kiss, when you keep saying he has to know. But you're saying that as an impartial observer, with nothing emotional or personal at stake, and as someone who knows that he is worthy of love (he doesn't). No matter how obvious it seems to us, he is genuinely oblivious to it. This is confirmed when he asks his mom in the next episode how to know if his feelings are reciprocated. He has *no idea* that she feels the same way. In the same way that she was completely surprised by his declaration in the carriage, despite his obvious intensity when he approached her at the ball, and the fact that he *_couldn't stop looking at her lips!_* But she never expected him to return her feelings, so she rewrites and reinterprets all the signs in her head. And that's what he's been doing with her all along. All the "insult" of his comment comes from the motives _we_ ascribe to it. We assume he's embarrassed for those men to think he's courting her. Why else would he deny it so emphatically? (I'll get to that in a minute). We assume it's because he thinks she's unattractive or undesirable. We assume he's saying that the very idea of courting her is laughable. But he doesn't actually say any of that. In fact, we have never seen a single hint that he sees her as anything less than wonderful. We've seen his obvious admiration of her numerous times in the first two seasons. This season, when he's coaching her, all his advice boils down to "be yourself" because he knows she's amazing. She just has to learn to let it show. When she recoils at the idea of flirting with a viscount, his only response is to remind her that she's Penelope Featherington. He knows she's a catch that a viscount would be lucky to get. To be fair, his wording is unnecessarily emphatic. But there are lots of possible reasons for that which fit his character and their relationship much better than him being dismissive of or insulting his best friend, who he's always been super protective of, and who he just promised to take care of less than an hour ago. To some extent, there's the platonic friend who is simply tired of explaining for the thousandth time that no, they are NOT dating their friend, and yes, they REALLY are just friends. Whose denials get more emphatic with each repetition because people can't seem to accept it. Then there's the fact that there clearly _are_ some unrecognized feelings there, which only lends strength to his denial. He protests too much. But he's denying his interest, not her desirability. Add to that the fact that he has no idea of her feelings, which might put him on the defensive... denying any desire to court her because he assumes she wouldn't want to court him. We see Penelope doing the exact same thing after their first kiss... emphatically declaring it will never happen again (and breaking his heart in the process) because she assumes he wouldn't want to do it again. His response this season supports this. Colin is generally a really sweet, thoughtful guy, always thinking about the feelings and needs of those around him, especially Penelope. If he had decided to make fun of her to those men, even if it was just social pressure in the moment, he would feel guilt about it afterwards. It would probably haunt him for a while. What he wouldn't do is immediately forget it like any other random comment. And yet, when Penelope brings it up, he seems to have no idea what she's talking about. Even when he goes to apologize to her, he doesn't mention anything beyond what she said... he doesn't seem to remember the incident at all. Consider that Penelope cut him off immediately after that conversation, and he spent the better part of a year wondering why. Colin is always quick to assume the blame when those around him are upset, even when it has nothing to do with him. And yet in this case, when he truly is at fault, it doesn't even cross his mind? He assumed she was simply living her life and didn't need him, like the rest of his family. This conversation wasn't even a flicker on the edge of his consciousness. It never even occurred to him that he might have hurt or offended her, because he didn't think he said anything hurtful or offensive. Colin is always quick to apologize anytime he wrongs someone, no matter how big or small the offense- we see this multiple times even just this season. And yet in this case, he didn't apologize until Penelope brought it up... because that's the first time he realized there was anything to apologize for. None of this lets him off the hook. Regardless of his intentions, he _did_ hurt her, and he might have hurt her chances with those other eligible gentlemen, if they took his comment the way Penelope and the audience did. She has every right to be upset about it and to tell him so. But it makes no sense for him to step so far outside his own character as to make fun of his best friend like that, and yet not even remember doing it or feel any lingering guilt over it. It seems clear to me that it was a hurtful mistake, rather than dismissiveness or trying to win the approval of his peers. And to his credit, when it's brought to his attention he immediately owns up to it, apologizes without making any excuses, and tries to make amends.
I think this part of the series doesn't show enough of the depth of these two characters, but the glimpse we got shows us how as younger (and less mature in some ways) people they found each other as partners and will help each other grow up and become "adults." About the kiss, it was ~lust~ . I mean, she thought there was no hope for her case and she had nothing to lose. I don't think she even thought Colin would kiss her at that point. But he did!
@@elaniarkady7351 honestly there so much one can say about that first kiss and it’s wild considering that it was just for a few seconds… but oh was it powerful!
My husband and I started as friends, we were friends in high school. We were together for 8 months broke up, then apart for 9 years, and then back together for 8 months. Then we got married, on my birthday mind you :D..now we've been married 9 years and going. So, to everyone saying it can't be done or whatever I'm a firm believer in not the right time. I knew the moment I met him that I was going to meet him. It's a comforting feeling knowing that my husband and I have grown up together and that we've known each other since we were 15 yrs old. A tale as old as time.
The book handled the friends to lovers arc MUCH better. I wish the show writers had borrowed from it more skillfully, because the crap they came up with instead was weak AF, two dimensional and uninspiring. In the show, Colin basically falls in lust with her after a ridiculously overwrought makeover, and the actual bond they already had is forgotten. Both spend the rest of the season mostly miserable. I hated everything about it. Sorry. One more casualty of the writers' strike / TV shows' unwillingness to pay great writers, directors and camera people what they're worth.
Would you consider doing a collaboration with Dave Neal? He’s been covering a strange paternity case with Clayton Eckart a former bachelor. The lady apparently was never pregnant. I would love a therapist take on her motivation and her continued lies and manipulation.
That's the thing, I think he really doesn't.😂 It really doesn't make sense, not that insecurity ever does have to make sense, if he is aware that this is something special to her BECAUSE of his participation. I would be easier, to believe or then hate Colin, if he did know. But he really is a rock.
As non English native speaker, 'I would never dream of courting Penelope' - does it not mean something like I would not dare, I would not even try? Dreaming of is wanting something ? Is his sentence really implying he does not want? In the book it's done better, the mother suggets him marrying Pen, since she is seeing great friendship fondation, and Colin is then saying I will never marry Pen, only becuase he just not ready and wants his travels so much,
Please tell me there will be a 2nd part and that you will be discussing the following point no one wants to talk about: As much as I want to love the romance between Penelope and Colin, I feel a bit conflicted. When Colin was younger I didn't have much to dislike, he was a young man who didn't know what he wanted and didn't have the backbone to stand up for himself which isn't great but somehow still forgivable but at the end of part 1 of season 3 (spoiler alert only continue watching if you've seen the end of S3 part 1) where Colin proposed to Penelope he lost me. That was the most unromantic proposal I've ever seen and I don't understand why everyone loves that scene so much. He basically says that he's tried not to love her because she's not desirable in the eyes of society and he's invested a lot of effort and strength in resisting his feelings and is too weak and therefore gives up. Who wants to hear that? His proposal is totally insulting. Why doesn't he tell her why he loves her and what makes her special to him? I'm happy for Penelope that her dreams are coming true but she deserves a better love story! Please please please tell us your thoughts on that in a part 2!
So in the Bridgerton fandom, we are all actually talking about Eloise and how she’s really not that great of a friend and how she is on the narcissistic spectrum. I would really love to hear your thoughts on Eloise when you go back and watch scenes with her. Penelope and Collin are golden and I think we kind of knew that from the start❤
I had a friend who, like Pen, was convinced she would die a virgin. One time, she, my then boyfriend and I went on a road trip when we spotted a business sign for Virgin Mortuary. Did we laugh over that one! Fast forward: she did not die a virgin.
I think Colin thoughtvdating Penelope was like dahingehend his xounger sicher becsuse he knew her doch long. It took him a while and a very nice and decent Vegetarian to see that he loves her. But I fon' t like that the authors used the vegetarian Lord just to make Colin jealous
I honestly can tell you, while they didn't totally kill the love story by doing an actual good "girl-boss: adaptation of Penelope, they did lose so much character growth individually and with each other in doing it. It was also effected by the unfortunate add ons in side stories when this one really just needed small bits of those that could be continued in the next season.
I was being pressured to not marry my husband and he was as well. Both sets of parents were against the marriage. We had dated for 3 years before getting engaged. The pressure didn't start until after the engagement. I think all 4 of them were hoping we would break off our relationship.
I'm done though. Ive always been upfront about how I feel and so far nothing substantial has come out of it. The latest bit being the dude is part of a super specific cult ish group who sees me as a sin if we were to be more than friends. 😂 fml
Colin definitely doesn't know Pen has feelings for him. Not even after she asked for that kiss. He takes her at her word that she doesn't expect more (and reads it as she doesn't *want* more) because, like Pen, Colin is very insecure about his own worth and desirability.
I agree ! We can see it later in the carriage scene. His reaction at her first response is quite clear, in my opinion. And extremely well played by Luke Newton, I might add ! Because I was about to cry, when I saw the look he gave her, at that moment.
He definitely doesn't know her feelings! He's so oblivious, like most guys irl!
You see that in the scene under the willow tree, where both Pen and him are so awkward. She wants to end the "lessons" with him, and he's hoping it's because she too felt something between them after that kiss. But she basically rejects him under that tree, leaving him to feel more insecure about himself.
I've been in this exact situation before with a guy friend, so I know exactly this feeling. I've learned since then that it is SO much better to be open and just communicate your feelings. Don't try to play it cool because you're afraid of rejection--which I feel is exactly what Colin has been doing this whole time.
Totally agree, he even doubts her feelings AFTER they get engaged - he definitely has his own issues lacking self-worth
In the books he ends up liking the kiss and was confused as to why she said “thank you”. He didn’t like that she thought it was for pity
It was clear in the show that he liked it as well :)
Yeaaa
In the show, he goes in for a second one and you can see how affected he was by the kiss . His brow was furrowed and he looked so into it
And when she left, he stood there speechless and bewildered, like his whole life had been upturned
I didn't see it as a pitty kiss.
They both have feelings for each other. Colin may not understand it, or feel it as romantic, but she is his best friend and she makes him happy...She asked him for one thing...and I think he was just chomping at the bit to do something, anything to show her his gratitude for the years of kindness and friendship. especially since the rumor got out and they would most likely not be allowed to see each other anymore. As you said, it was a hail mary, a goodbye.
She wanted a kiss and she trusted Colin, and Colin trusted her enough to know she wouldn't try and trap him in marriage because he kissed her.
Oh...Colin was so slowly falling for her that it shocked him to realize he wanted to kiss her. I actually liked how he unsettled himself in wanting to keep having the opportunity to kiss her. You must read the book.
Yea it was so beautifully done!
He’s always liked her, he just didn’t categorise it cus he’s known her for long…
Which is very typical for this trope.
i really wish this included their dynamics in season 3 part 2 because their relationship still has pen’s secret identity hovering over them. really interested how lady whistledown changes things for them
Maybe that's next video
I like the quote "Be honest, but don't get naked." You can be honest without having to bear all of your vulnerabilities and deepest thoughts when the situation doesn't call for it.
When he leaned in, and then he went in again, it was not a pity kiss. He was full on into it. Then she says with a heartfelt, quivering "Thank you," - nothing more - and leaves him with 'the vapers' and confusion, and that's when he realizes, "Oh no. O.O. ...I think I like her. Like, like-like her."
To quote a well known linguistics Professor, a certain Mr. Henry Higgins played by the talented late Rex Harrison:
"Damn, damn, damn damn!
... I've grown accustomed to her face.
She almost makes the day begin.
I've grown accustomed to the tune she whistles night and noon.
Her smiles, her frowns, her ups, her downs - are second nature to me now.
Like breathing out and breathing in.
I was serenely independent and content before we met.
Surely I could always be that way again.
And yet--
I've grown accustomed to her look.
Accustomed to her voice.
Accustomed... to her ...face."
:)
Thank you for the parallel.
I grew up with a 33⅓ rpm with Rex Harrison. I am able to remember the performance.
It was not a pity kiss on his part. I think that kiss rocked his world, it allowed him to see Penelope in a whole different light! Penelope, on the other hand, felt that this was as close to any real relationship she would get- hence the thank you and hasty exit.
Please do an update on this because the Lady Whistledown fiasco brings a totally different dynamic to their relationship as friends and lovers ❤
OMG I loved this! Please do more videos talking about the rest of the season 🙏🏽
I like how the book portrayed their relationship: Colin *was* nice to Penelope all those years out of pity. Once they were more mature (she was comfortable showing her true personality and he was ready to settle down), he wished he had gotten to know her sooner and started to wonder why no one else noticed her. Even got angry abt no one noticing her 😂 By the time of the kiss, he only hesitated bc he WAS feeling attraction to her, but didn’t know what it meant yet. And sometimes love is like that! It comes on you slowly, esp if you aren’t used to examining your feelings. Colin def used humor to avoid serious questions he had abt his purpose and calling. Penelope could see that they were right for each other a long time before he did ❤️
2:38 100% this. this poor girl, even in her own home she's not seen or heard. when she is seen she gets ridiculed.
The same goes for him in Season 1 and 2.
Cant wait to see you comment on the second half of Season 3. To me, that was even more tense and adds a lot of complexity to their relationship 😊
Love their relationship
Does anyone else get distracted by this guy’s amazing blue eyes? And obvious sensitivity?
POLIN IS MY FAVORITE SHIP IN THE WHOOOOOOOLE SERIES
I absolutely adore how they heal one another in their friendship and eventual love, but their exchange of, "But I could, and it would kill me-"
"But... you would already be dead." had me in stitches!
Same! I mean, not the moment, Colin, but A+ for humor.
True!
THIS!!! I laugh so hard every time! How is no one cracking up on their reactions to this part of the scene?!
that was such a best friends interaction😂
@@reaganwaite9101 I feel the same, I laugh every single time, it's such a cute line and I don't see anyone else appreciating it!
I love that their relationship shows about insecurities and learning to love yourself, to value yourself. I was surprised at how much Colin is actually quite insecure as well, not believing himself worth of love for being himself. Penelope finding herself was beautiful to see.
This!! Mirroring Pen’s insecurities with Colin’s was so beautiful - they both help see the best eachother and help the other be the best version of themselves ❤
Yessssss
I love when people get this season!
They helped each other heal and also be their authentic, vulnerable and beautiful self!
Just two people who loved each other admits the difficult phase. The most beautiful love story ever
Most of Penelope's shunning and "unnattractiveness" was due to her mother's tackiness and penchant for dressing her like a pinata, not her figure.
And she debuted a year early than normal at 17, and naturally didn't have much confidence, combined with not wanting the attention of suitors since she was crushing on Colin.
@@naturallyamusedWas it ever said why she debuted a year earlier?
@@kareneide In season 3 she said that she was forced to debut a year earlier. I can't remember if it was mentioned in the earlier two seasons❤
@@anoukpenna1048 she did. In the first season, she repeatedly asks her mama if she can wait.
It is i.plied inthe books that all 3 girls had to debute due to finances. @@kareneide
colin definitely did the kiss thing out of compassion, doing a favor for a dear friend. I found it interesting that the kiss had diametric effects on them - for Pen it was basically saying goodbye to love and finally ending the “pining for colin” chapter and for colin it opened his eyes to loving her romantically.
Colin went in with pity, but after the initial peck, it was him who went back for seconds
@@udraj914I’m not sure it was pity so much as it was his hero complex being triggered by her saying….”please….Colin”. Part of him wants to take care of her.
Add to that his already developing feelings for Pen (even if he hasn’t yet identified them as romantic). It’s the kiss that opens Colin’s eyes to his having romantic feelings for Penelope.
Pen has given up hope of being "that girl" for Colin, or anyone. Pen asked for the kiss so she could move forward; for Colin after the kiss there was no turning back.
Yes
He’s always had feelings for her… the kiss made him acknowledge it! And he had been craving for that kind of love and intimacy and emotional connection..
He basically lost his mind after that kiss 😅
@@aprilnyssahe definitely had repressed/unidentified feelings for Pen. Through their correspondence between season 1 & 2, he acknowledges in Season 2 that her view of him, helps him believe in himself. Then all through season 2, he comes to rely on their friendship & really care for her. Eloise gets in the way of it developing more. But then inexplicably to him, she doesn’t write him & it really affects him. The I’ll help you find a husband (even though he’d lose her “friendship” if she did marry someone else, was just an acceptable way for him to be around her more. Even without that kiss, I think he would have realized he loved her
Colin's nod to her at the wedding is so precious. It's the mark of true, lasting love imo. He's still pissed and he'll go back to being pissed, but there's such a solid baseline of love and friendship, that they're able to go back to that for a little while and just live in the moment. That little nod says it all. Plus, the words that would have played in the song at that moment are "you know I love you so" 😭
It’s so beautiful.
The nod was the best!
Yes. I loved that about them. Even when Kate asks him, does it change the love you have for her? He resolutely says no.
That wedding was so beautiful to me
Infact I liked it with a bit of angst , the way it was because yet again it proves that he wanted to marry her. He wanted to be with her forever. He loved her
The way they were looking at each other when they said the vows . The way his breath caught the first time he raised his head and saw her walking down the aisle with yellow being played and their dance of “you belong with me”
He would’ve kissed her right there after the dance if the queen had not interrupted
I wish they played “perfect” by Ed Sheeran
My favorite part of Colin is how he illustrates how asking for consent doesn’t ruin anything. Every time he takes things a step further he waits for her, he asks her if she’s ready, he lets her know it’s ok to say stop. But it doesn’t ruin anything. It’s affectionate and sweet and another way that he shows how he cares for her.
Shows how much he loves her❤
I find asking for consent incredibly attractive. 🥰
I find it ironic that during the Regency era, the period from 1811 to 1820, that Bridgerton is set in, Penelope's figure WAS the beauty ideal, not the more tiny figures. 'Plump' was used as a compliment more then than now.
This, I have always heard how being curvy was a beauty standard, so by that standard she should be the most desirable one.
@@reginaphalange8500 Yes! And of all the things I wish Bridgerton was historically accurate on, it would be appreciation for more diverse body types! I also don't like all the coded language in the script that pretends like Pen is insecure because of her 'personality' or 'shyness', all the viewers know what the show is actually saying, that her body is the reason, but the writers carefully never directly say that, or else they would be rightly critiqued.
I could be wrong, but I always thought that Penelope was the black sheep in her family because of her love of books and social awkwardness. I don’t really remember Portia saying that Pen was “too fat” to be courted. I also think that since Pen is the beauty standard, Portia might be meaner to her since she would feel that Penelope would draw attention away from her sisters.
@@vickyvale711 Portia might not have said it but her sisters did - she was two stone ( 28 lbs.) too fat.
@@vickyvale711 I feel like the show does imply that 'not being considered pretty' is the main reason for her lack of popularity with the styling of the character, the actress who plays Pen said to Vogue that they purposely dressed her unflatteringly in the first seasons so she could have a 'glow up' in this season to get Colin's attention. And the show does not film in a way that gazes at her body as longingly as other female leads. The show knows what it implies.
When she said that she could die and it will kill her … his response, “but you’d already be dead” … that exchange cracks me up all the time 😂😂😂😂 …. Edit : no one is talking about their under the tree conversation! WHY?!?! That was absolutely one of my Favorite scenes! They were so awkwardly adorable 🥰
They're adorkable.
Lmao me too! I thought I was the only person! I crack up all the time!
What I like is Colin is smooth and full of rizz when he flirts with the entire Ton. With Pen he is awkward and unsure of himself. Yet Pen on the other hand is so awkward with other men. In every other scene except the tree scene, she is comfortable with Colin and only Colin. She laughs and jokes around.
Random but why is there no one else under the willow tree? It was a beautiful day and everyone is out and about and it’s just the two of them. Irl you wouldn’t find a place to sit 😂
@@blaq2handle its a fictional series same as lmovies non of it is real or logic .
PLEASE therapize Colin’s and Penelope’s whole relationship!!!
There are some folks who have pieced together fan edits that have all of the times Colin is in denial of his feelings for Penelope starting from Season 1. It's interesting to watch those just to see their interactions back to back without breaking away for other storylines. Penelope has truly been head over heels for the boy for years, and he obviously feels something for her that is different, but he isn't aware enough to recognize it. To be fair to Colin, he also gets these signals from his older brothers and his peers about what he's supposed to be doing/experiencing as a man in this time period which also keeps him from recognizing it. There is another interaction Pen and Colin have just after the "Your eyes are a remarkable shade of blue..." scene, where she reads one of his journals and he catches her and loses his temper. It shows that behind the bravado and deflecting humor, he's actually a very sensitive and vulnerable person, which is not what a "man" is supposed to be in that day and age. In that interaction, she bandages up a cut on his hand, and you can see the wheels turning in his head through the expressions on his face and how his hands respond to her holding them. But he still doesn't understand what it means, and it doesn't click until "the kiss", where instead of the distance he usually feels when he is intimate with a lady (part of the journals Penelope read), he gets the full on 4th of July fireworks show. For Penelope, I think that this is not a Hail Mary to try to get Colin's attention. I think for her, this is a "That's it, I'm really just going to be a spinster," moment and she is saying goodbye to the possibility of love. It's why she ends it with "Thank you." I think she really believes that it's a pity kiss, and she's thanking him for letting her go on the shelf at least with that one experience.
Yes this was it..
The kiss was romantic for us the viewers but it was a sad moment for pen. It was the moment that she sort of closed the door to any kind of happiness she dreamed for especially with Colin….. it was goodbye for her but for Colin, it was a moment of awakening. A moment in which all those things he’d been feeling made sense finally for him. The feelings had always been there. He just didn’t make sense of it like you said!
He was just so affected by that kiss. He initiated the second kiss.. you could see how he furrowed his brows and his breathing and it was almost as if he was grief stricken over the fact that what he had been looking for had been infront of him the whole time and he didn’t see it
I think there was a line in the book that read "Colin could think of a hundred reasons why kissing Penelope Featherington was a very bad idea, the number one being that he actually wanted to kiss her."
I've been waiting for this
Can we also have Eloise and Penelope therapized?
Ooh, good one!! Yes please, that is a great idea!
Yes! I believe Eloise is a toxic friend but I’d love to hear if it’s true.
Eloise... The actual one that needs therapy 😂
Yes!!!
All the green flags are waving for this relationship throughout the season!!! They buckle but always come back around, I love it! My accountability and consent kink is fulfilled as well lmao
I don't think it was pity or even a compassion kiss, cause there are scenes earlier in the episodes where you can see that he's starting to feel something more. I love Colin and Pen so much! This was a fun video as always
He was definitely starting to open his eyes to her after Marina told him to get over himself in season 2, and specifically mentioned the love he has from Penelope and how he needs to appreciate her more.
Oh it wasn’t a pity kiss
He might have thought he was doing that as a favour but he’s always had feelings for her even if he couldn’t explain what they were … he’s truly clueless 😂
The kiss shook him to the core!
I had a lot of problems with season 3, but one aspect I absolutely enjoyed was Penelope’s character growth and watching her realize how much she has going for her and what she’s capable of.
Same. All she ever needed was the right support and Colin gives her that. I give credit to both of them. Colin for being a really stand up friend (and person, in general) and Pen because despite having little to no guidance on how to work relationships or 'do better' she learns to do so for Colin and herself (with a great grand gesture too).
I have my issues but I can see through what the writers were trying to do so overall I'm very impressed with her journey this season. I just hope they continue with it next season.
I think he liked the kiss more than he ever imagined.
Maybe because he was sleeping around with women but that was the first time he felt real intimacy.
Please do the Featherington mum /mom relationship with Penelope .
And her sisters. Penelope is alone , and an outcast ...
Also Cressida Cowper ....and her family ....there is a myriad of relationships here John ...come on we'd LIVE for it.
The bit about the kiss Nicola Coughlin says that penelope really thinks she has ruined her life at this point but both colin /penelope comment on the fact that they go in for another round re the kissing cos they like it...
I would love a Featherington family dynamics video! I disliked Portia so much throughout the first 2 1/2 seasons but part 2 has me wanting to go back and watch all her scenes to watch the full evolution of her character and relationship with all her daughters.
Yes would love to see it!!!
definitely compassion and kindness! that is 100% colin’s character, however i also think that part of him, deep down, whether he knew it or not, just wanted to kiss her :)
I completely agree. And from pen's pov she 100% thought he would never ever see her as anything but a friend. Marina told her she is basically Eloise to him, a lifetime of him not seeing her as a woman at all but just "pen", the ton/family's opinion that basically no one would ever see her like that, and colin's literal words last season that the idea alone is laughable. She didn't ask him to kiss her cause she was trying to start something. She was ending something. She was closing the book on her fantasy of being loved in general. She was at the "mom/the ton is right and I will die alone, lets just accept that reality and not torm*nt myself any longer" stage. But she wanted to at least know what it feels like and colin was the guy she felt most safe/confident around to actually ask. She was basically going "thank you, now I can cross it off of my bucket list". Clinical and thats why she had no emotional shift afterwards. Cause she thought it had no mean whatsoever. But he sure did cause colin is demis*xual. He needs an emotional connection. Which is why he felt a distance with the ladies in paris. Colin is first and foremost a Feeler, good for him. 👍😃 So to experience pen with whom he already had a bond, turned his world upside down.
@@maaiker2977 I think you also see that Colin's emotions rule him in other kinds of scenes too. When John and Francesca announce to the Bridgerton family that they plan to marry, Colin is the first one out of his seat to approach and congratulate them. Colin loves love and it's one of his character's sweetest qualities, imo.
@@maaiker2977 I couldn't have said better about the first kiss. For Penelope, it's a goodbye kiss that she had thought it meant nothing to him since he was with so many women described as the most beautiful and Penelope never thought she could be any bit appealing to anyone let alone to Colin. But for Colin that kiss had connected some dots in his brain which made him realise he did have feelings for her.
@@maaiker2977 i COMPLETELY agree
@@clarissathompson omg yes! i noticed that too and i LOVE that for him 🥰
I was Penn when I was in junior high. The only guy I ever had a crush on was Alan. He was cute, and smart, and seemed kind. So I left a note in his locker expressing my affection and hope to go out together… and I hid and waited to see his reaction… and his friends were with him and he made a big show about being grossed out by it and it shattered my tiny heart. And at the time I felt stupid and pathetic but looking back on it now I wish I could hug younger me and tell her how brave it is to take the risk and put yourself out there. I wish I could explain to her that he may not have even felt so grossed out but boys in front of their friends at that age have to be “too cool” to be interested in a girl. I wish I could go back and sew her tiny heart back together because that little broken heart wouldn’t reach out again for another 10 years.
Damn your comment almost made me cry, my younger 15-year-old self relates so much to this
I asked a friend to tell a particular boy at school that I liked him. We used to take the same school bus home and as he walked up the aisle of the bus, he stopped beside my row and said something which was derisory and humiliating. Apparently it had got around the school and his friends were making fun of him. The look of fury on his face was palpable and he even raised his fist at me. I never did anything like that ever again.
@@elizabethbaird3604 Kids are awful :(
This moved me to tears 😭😭
I relate to pen as well as the wallflower
You are so brave. I was and still am a wallflower and I couldn’t imagine being that brave in middle school
I felt a huge gut punch when Penelope overheard Colin's comment about her to his friends. I have *been* Penelope. Many times, and watching their relationship blossom over the 3 seasons was so validating (minus my not finding someone...yet, I guess?). Seeing her confidence and finding herself, then especially standing up to Colin when he is a big sulky baby after she tells him she is going to take care of her own issues was really empowering throughout the whole season even with the roller coaster of their relationship (which tbh I wish had been explored more because everything felt so abrupt and shortened because they crammed another relationship in there).
I have to say though, I somewhat disagree with how you mentioned that Colin was finally realizing that she saw him as more than a friend when she made the comment about his eyes. In season 2, he had gone to see his ex-fiancée Marina (from season 1) who was married to someone else now - and she told him flat out to appreciate the love he already has around him. From his family. From Penelope specifically (who Marina knew was in love with Colin). And I think it was when they danced together at the ball, he made a comment about not having seen or appreciating her before. I think he did kiss her not out of pity but because he knew she believed that this was going to never happen for her and he wanted to make sure that she did kiss someone who cared about her instead of someone who would be taking advantage of her. And I think her breathing heavily came more from nerves/anxiety than anything else because it took SO MUCH for her to be vulnerable especially with Colin because of her feelings. And when she runs away after the kiss and he is standing there stunned I joked with a friend that the little lightbulb was starting to flicker on in his head because he is starting to realize that...yeah, he actually has feelings for Penelope but he still has no idea how she feels (especially since he agreed to help her try to find a husband). As far as he knows, she asked him for that kiss because she was comfortable with him - especially with her comments about how she would never expect anything of it, would never ask him for more, etc. I mean, later in the season (IYKYK) when he finally decides to tell her how he feels, her immediate response is to not believe him and say "But Colin, we're friends." and you can see that he thinks he blew it because he still at that moment doesn't know she is also in love with him. And at their engagement party when she's trying to tell him she's Whistledown (and has a panic attack), he tries to calm her down and says that he understands if she no longer feels about him and that she had just gotten caught up in the moment in the carriage. Just my 2 cents, having watched the whole relationship unfold over 3 seasons and relating to Pen not just from the feeling invisible viewpoint but also what she deals with at home.
Colin needed that moment of doubt for the viewers because all he has been doing is ignoring penelope & making comments like THAT at her "Mama's ball" and by god are we frustrated with him as viewers . BECAUSE BOY IS JUST NOT GETTING THE MEMO. We needed Penelope to assert herself and become more assertive because that's what many of us need to do in life because we identify with Penelope as she is the underdog & many of us have felt like this.
@@ehowiehowie7850my mom was much like Penelope’s mom as well hence my “home life” comment. I was fat shamed, I was made to think I was worthless, unworthy of love etc. all things Pens mom does to her (like when she hears Pen and Colin are engaged and acts like Pen entrapped him or that it’s not a real engagement).
I love pen and Colin's relationship- they have the strongest most realistic relationship I have seen so far and I love it- they pick up when something is wrong with the other, Colin gives her space to tell when she is ready. I love that when they talk outside of the modiste he is actively listening- he asks her questions, he doesn't yell at her, he stays calm, he doesn't run away, and she genuinely answers them - it's clear it's more about his jealousy and his fear for her safety then her actually being whistledown. When he said that she entrapped him he clearly said that out of pain and anger because she didn't entrap him- he is the one who initiated sex, she repeatedly gives him an out and he doesn't take it because he knows deep down that she didn't do that he is just deeply hurt that she kept that a secret and he loves her and wants to marry her. it's obvious how much he wants to be physically intimate with her but is holding back because he is still processing all of this new information which I love- when he opens the door and she is standing there and you see him almost go in and kiss her but he restrains himself even though he wants to because he is not ready. He deeply loves her and for him to have sex with her when they are not in a good place isn't fair to her or him- so by not having sex he is respecting both of them. The first show runner also said that Colin is supposed to be demisexual so him not wanting to have sex when the are not in a good space makes sense- he feels disconnected to her and having sex with her because he is still processing so much new information and feels emotionally separated from her at the moment makes complete sense. It has been ingrained in him that it is a mans job to provide for and protect his wife, so when she says she can take care of herself and he says then what good am I to you, you can feel the pain, pen is independent and doesn't need him in that way, she just needs him for him and it takes some time for him to accept the role reversal
LOVE LOVE LOVE the scene outside the modiste. It was so vulnerable and honest. I love the focus on communication between them, how after years of hiding her crush on him and her true identity Penelope puts an end to the lies and decides that they won't be deceitful with each other anymore. They show their true feelings, no matter how ugly or unfair, without making the other feel responsible. "I feel this. I need time. I appreciated this or that" we stan a healthy relationship
THIS!!
you just made me feel better about ALL of the things that were upsetting me about Colin's reaction. first the entrapment comment (which honesltly bugged me the most out of everything bc we never see him apologize or acknowledge the pain it caused Pen) which he used specifically because he already heard Portia say it. The argument outside the modiste. To the nod at the wedding and the viewer thinking everything will be ok again. Then sleeping on the couch after the wedding even though he still has an obvious attraction to her still. When he has the conversation with Cressida and you know that HE knows he's already forgiven her for being LW but he was really just upset that she kept something from him and now he has to keep it from everyone else including his family. And the way Pen realized when Colin fails to save her from the blackmail that he is upset because he thinks he has to earn her love.
Thank you! I'm feeling better.
So wonderfully said
I didn’t feel any type of way with the entrapment line… like it was obvious he was just hurt and upset
I don’t know why people are fixated on that! It definitely Wasn’t his true feelings and pen understood
I love your comment. Very true. I understand that Pen is very independent and I think part of Colin’s growth was relinquishing some of that hero complex. Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with him having a hero complex and wanting to take care of Pen.
@@elsagreen1476 you’re right. I didn’t think of it this way. They needed time to process all the info
In the book Pen of course asks for the kiss, pretty much the exact same way that it happened in the show. But we get to see into Colins mind when she does. It was gradual, but he started developing feelings for her before the kiss. He was even starting to become attracted to her. So when she asks him to kiss her, he wants to hold himself back because he knew as soon as he accepted, there would be no going back for him. He knew he would essentially be hers. But after she said please he had no resolve left to prevent himself from kissing her. So he didnt do it out of pity or really compassion, it was genuinely pure love. The show obviously has no inner monolouges to show Colins rising love and attraction for Pen, but they do try showing it in small ways. Like with the way he looks at her at the ball where she shows off her new look. The look he gives her when they shake hands. The compliment she gives him about his eyes. Of course the lamp breaking scene. And even righr after she talks to the man in the wheel chair, where he shows genuine jealousy. The show isnt as obvious as a book but the romance was growing even before the kiss. But it was perhaps more obvious to them both after it had occured.
I am definitely of the opinion, having not read the books, that he definitely was in love with her before the kiss but he just didn't realize it fully. The kiss just connected those dots in his head in my mind. 😁
The show actually did great in showing all these
Luke newton is a star actor. He is truly phenomenal because Colin is such a complex character and he brought his emotions and sensitivities to life…
He’s always had feelings but Colin is clueless in that aspect and that’s why he didn’t recognise what it was for so long
This actress who plays Penelope is wonderful! Highly recommend watching a wonderful series called Derry Girls. It was LOL funny from the first episode. it takes place in Northern Ireland during The Troubles in the 90s. It's SO good!
did you see the clip of her saying "I burn for you, Colin!" in her Derry Girl accent? It's hilarious.
I absolutely loved the kiss scene. It is so sweet and honestly it didn't come across to me as sexual exactly but more emotional and just full of love. I don't think it was a bad thing for her to ask, especially in context of the era in which she lived. Having never been kissed is something that can weigh on a person, you want that feeling you want to know what it's like to feel that with somebody that you care about. And I think she's very lonely because she has never experienced that sort of relationship.
I also don't think he knew that he loved her before the kiss. The show pretty clearly illustrates that it was the kiss that connected the dots in his head. Like he kissed her because she's his friend and he wanted to comfort her. Not out of pity but like you said, out of compassion. But I don't think he knew what his true feelings were for her until the kiss happened. I absolutely believe he loved her deeply, but he just didn't realize it was a romantic love until after the kiss. Gosh, rewatching that scene just now in this video almost made me cry. It was just so sweet, I loved it so much.
I hope you break down their stuff in the second part of the season as well, it's a very well done arc. I do just love their story.
I'm actually not sure he knows. I never saw it that way. When she gave him this huge compliment while they were pretending to be at a ball, and he looked at her stunned and in shock, I thought that her words were just giving him feelings. Which he already began to have when he cut his hand and she took care of the wound and touched his hand (which was super uncommon back then)... What do you think? Also when she asked him to kiss her I still read it as something a friend would do for you and not necessarily her revealing her feelings. A lot of teenagers explore stuff together as friends (at least in my experience). I would love to hear your thoughts on that :)
Also, do you think you will want to make more videos about Bridgerton? Maybe about Cressida or about Eloise's and Penelope's friendship or about Lady Fetherington's and Penelope's mother-daughter relationship? I would be very excited about that :D
he cut his hand after she made the complement about his eyes - they heard Eloise coming back from the modiste, and he told her to go hide in the study where she found and read his journal, etc.
I love that both are so kind and soft and lovely to each other, that their love for each other is not (only) about the looks but about their soul ❤
Absolutely fabulous to watch them grow and mature into their love story. Neither one knew till this season just how much they actually cared for each other. Awesome that she took the leap of faith and the kiss finalized it and the true love story began!
Please do more of their scenes!!! There is so much more for you to react to, especially once they get together as couple
Gosh the unrequited love- i confessed my love to my high school crush only in the context of needing to get it off my chest since I was trying to get over him. Spoiler -we are still friends to this day, but I was right that he didn’t feel that way about me. Love has many different facets and I think it small imagination to condemn a love to only one form for all time
I think whatever reason Colin told himself he was kissing Penelope, truthfully he just wanted to… if Penelope hadn’t run off and they both had been more confident being vulnerable about their feelings, Debling would never even have come into the story.
inspired by the mantle behind you that really makes you have angelic wings: please therapise Aziraphale and Crowley from Good Omens (yes, repeat request, I know) 🙂
I know that season 3 left much to be desired but for sure the previous seasons definitely set up for Colin to be unsure of his purpose in life & add to it what happened with Marina, it is an insecurity 🎁! Which is why I believe his behavior & some of his words in part 2 is understandable (though obviously not cool). I mean imagine you feel crap about yourself and in your mind, the person you love echoed those feelings behind your back. Or thought you were so dense that you needed to humiliated publicly to finally get it.
I think we all knew Pen was insecure but as the seasons went on, so was Colin & its so beautiful to see a couple heal each other from that!
Wonderful analysis of the complex characters that is only possible because of the off the chart chemistry of the two actors involved. As a foolish romantic myself I have seen most every single romance movies and all the great will they, won’t they TV shows as well. This kiss, is in the top five for me due to how perfectly it was filmed and executed. ***** on a completely different subject, and because I have no idea how you normally take movie recommendations, I have a suggestion. There is a Hallmark movie called “My Norwegian Holiday” that I would enjoy seeing you analyze. It’s fascinating watching an American immerse herself in another culture and find connections she didn’t know were there. Just a suggestion.
Hey. No shade on the lemonade 🤣🥂
So many curvy women (me included) cried, just because the big girl gets the pretty boy. It's like we get seen finally through Penelope. We all know the feeling of being overlooked and not being pretty enough (and being told we're not). So this is societally important. And if you look at the reactions to her breasts and naked body, I get hopefull that more men will see that big is beautiful. And the fact that the bridggerton brothers are accepting her and Colin's choice, hopefully gives men nowadays permission to like and love bigger women. Because it really is a societal thing. ❤❤❤
Colin always felt some kind of way about Pen. He breaks so many rules with her. He holds her hand and drags her along. He writes to her without permission from her Mother, he pulls her into rooms, and shuts the door. He never signs her dance card. Ever, he just pulls her out on the dance floor. Anthony forbade him from seeing Marina and Colin complied. With Pen, he bribes a maid so he can see her. That kiss was not a pity kiss, he knew what he was doing
*Spoiler warning for 2nd half of season 3* I wish you reviewed the second half of the season to see Colin become demanding, abusive, manipulative and extraordinarily controlling of Penelope. He ruined her wedding (as did his sister), he was throwing harsh ultimatums left and right, but he never tried to understand why she writes this column, how alone and overlooked she felt. He was also jealous of her accomplishments. Colin doesn't even romance or court her, because fat chicks don't get romance, instead he leads the relationship with his libido and no consideration of her, then accuses her of trapping him with sex (that he initiated with an 18 y/o virgin). They made Colin absolutely disgusting in the second half of the season.
3:54 HAHAHAHA yes accountability kink!!!!! thats hilarious i love that saaaame
I think the drawing room scene is so important and servess as a glimpse into how they were together as children, just playing and innocently enjoying each others company. Colin is happiest when just hanging out with Penelope. Because he missed her, he longed to spend time with her. The only way he knew how to be with her was playful. Except now they are older and the game has changed.
Love this! Penelope and Colin are my favorite couple so far ❤
Not enough sex scenes though.
Please do more of their scenes!!!
I feel so bad that her engagement party and her wedding was just filled with so much stress 😂
The thing about Colin's oblivion is that he mistakes ALL of Pen's body language, and subtle hints, as nothing because he's got her in the Bestie Zone. He says hed never court her, not in your wildest fantasies, because she's his best friend and she's 'a catch' for another man. He wants to fit in but the men, and Pen, both mistake his words for distaste instead of respect. He views her hints as kindness. He sees her heavy breathing not as excitement, but as Pen on the verge of tears. He's a dunderhead until the moment he kisses her and feel the fireworks. I think the first kiss is a pity kiss, but that breath, pause, and going in for the second kiss/passionate make-out is ALL emotion and attraction and you can see the sparklers in Colin's eyes as Pen runs off into the garden, embarrassed and confused.
I just finished binging this, so perfect time for this episode. I was basically in tears a lot throughout this season, because I related to Penelope so much. I was bullied for so many years, was obese for so many years (thankfully no longer) and felt undesirable for such a big part of my life. Even though I'm in a much, much better place now, this season was such a big reminder of those old feelings.
Thank you so much for this. So glad you're in a better place!
Wishing you healing.
I would love to see a Featherington family dynamics video! I disliked Portia so much throughout the first 2 1/2 seasons but part 2 of season 3 has me wanting to go back and watch all her scenes to watch the full evolution of her character and relationship with all her daughters.
Hope if there's chance to analyze their relationship in part 2 of the season, as it deals so much with the gap of intimacy and emotional turmoil and it'd be so interesting to hear your opinion!
Love this, but you should react to part 2 where they’re actually pursuing a romantic relationship amidst Pen’s Whistledown issue. I would love to hear your thoughts on how they are as a romantic couple and how they went about with the whole Whistledown situation!
This was awesome! I would love for you to do another season 3 video as I think there are a lot of good moments to evaluate in ep 3-8. I don't really think that Colin ever realized that Penelope had feelings for him but I don't think it was because he wasn't paying attention but rather that he also had feeling for her under the surface so their relationship always just felt normal to him. He also doesn't have any other female friends, aside from his sisters, so I'm guessing he thought that is what it is like to be friends with a girl.
Yes this was spot on
He didn’t have enough experience to categorise or realise that the ode feelings were romantic even though they would look at each other for unusual length of time
They were always looking for each other at any event
He always was alone with her even when he shouldn’t be…
Her comments about his eyes being remarkable shade of blue left him speechless and flustered and the whole scene in the drawing scene
I strongly believe he never loved marina. He thought it was love but it wasn’t and thus it makes sense that he still didn’t have any other romantic experience to understand his feelings for pen
The kiss was what opened his eyes because already he stated that being intimate with women left him feeling lonely and distant… It made sense that it was something remotely sexual (a kiss) that helped him realise it!
Definitely not a pity kiss and definitely not Penelope begging for a kiss. I see it as she was at rock bottom in that moment, public humiliation and her mom basically kicking her while she was down. But sometimes in those lowest moments, you find courage. I see Pen as deciding right then to take ownership of her first kiss - it was very brave. And it was a request she made to a trusted friend - she couldn't have done that with anyone else. And for Colin, to be able to comply/acquiesce showed he trusted her not to entrap him (very scandalous if they were caught in Regency times). Most beautiful first kiss every portrayed on TV show. So sweet/gentle.
Colin could've stopped with the first little kiss. That couldve been it. When faced with the opportunity he went back. She was innocent in the whole process and even thanked him in the end. She didn't realize that the first kiss, may have been out of friendly compassion, but that second bit, that was because HE wanted to kiss her. While Colin states that hes just trying to be the man everyone wants him to be, its not who he truly is. He has felt something underneath for her all these years but society's expectations of him have made him hide or push down any possibility. He also struggles with his purpose and worth. Only after he acknowledges that she has seen and loved the real him does he release that armor. I love them in the books and in the show. To be truly seen and loved just as you are is a gift and I am so happy that they eventually figure that out.
Please do part 2. So much juicy stuff to Therapize.
I think it is a pity-kiss for his good friend when they are apart. As he moves in it turns to compassion. After their lips touch, it turns to desire. And when she flees, it becomes confusion and surprise.
Colin wants to kiss her. I know his internal monologue from the books, but he loves Pen. He just doesn't realise he loves Pen until this moment. He's also just spent a whole episode chasing her about, getting jealous over other guys and bribing her maid in the middle of the night to see her. He's down bad and he can see how beautiful she is
I mean, he told the truth about not courting her; he really didn’t court her. He went right from admitting his feelings, making out with her, and right to the engagement.
I was wondering....It would be great if you could do their relationship analysis. It might be interesting to see their interactions from a psychologist' s point of view.
I don’t think when she complements his eyes and how the shine brighter when he is kind. A compliment to both his looks and his inner self that most don’t realize matter to him. that he thought she saw him as more than a friend since clearly after the kiss he is freaking out thinking he has feelings for her that aren’t reciprocated. I think when she gave him that compliment his reaction was more to that fact that, oh wow what she said to me really stirred up feelings for me. Knowing as we know that they write to each other every time he goes away and also that he looks for her at every assembly because what she tells him and how she views the world really resonates with who Colin truly is inside not the him he shows society. I think he had never really evaluated what pen made him feel. And this moment was an oh my god moment because what she told him was a flirtatious compliment about him rather than a general assessment of the world around them. He now starts to see that she can make him feel things he has never felt before not as a friend but as a man.
The first Colin and Penelope kiss reminds me very much of Christian Bale and Kirsten Dunst's performance of Laurie & Amy in Little Women (1994) " I promise to kiss you before you die. " I thought it was a sweet, delicate touch. I think the Bridgerton books does the book kiss a tad differently so I really appreciated the changes Netflix made.
I love this! Please continue into part 2 of their relationship! I would love to hear your thoughts on part 2 especially Colin's speech at the end of episode 8.
I utterly enjoyed this season ❤😊
OH... MY GOD!! This is AMAZING!! Thank you for this!
Therapize being Erica plz
Yes. There is so much material there!
Keep analyse Bridgerton please i really enjoy it !!!
Your content is supreme. I wish your audio quality was a bit better. The echo and the background noise makes it hard to hear you sometimes.
You need to do something that includes part 2
hope you do a second part for part 2 because that has had a lot more controversy in discussion and drama I'd love your take on
I love that Colin talking to the other guys at the end of season 2 with Penelope overhearing mirrors when Kate hears Anthony saying he's not interested in being in love. I think it's such a great moment connecting storylines/siblings/love stories, and really shows Colin's arc of trying to be the way he's "supposed to" across seasons.
Please threrapized the whole relationship
Please say he will do the next 5 episodes please
I'm clearly in the minority on this, but I don't think Colin was being insulting or dismissive towards Penelope at the end of season 2. It makes perfect sense that she would take it that way, and even that the audience would, since she's our viewpoint character. But that's because of our natural human tendency to assume the worst. We see that playing out in multiple ways in the scene where she confronts him about it. He compliments her dress and she assumes he's mocking her. He wants to find a place where they can talk alone, and she assumes it's because he's embarrassed to be seen with her. But we the audience just saw him interrupt a conversation with two men (who were part of that same group from season 2) to express concern over her, and then when they tried to dismiss her, he straight up ditched them to go check on her with no pretense whatsoever. And earlier at the garden party, he not only sought her out in broad daylight, but she was the only person he spoke to individually, which would clearly single her out to anyone who was paying attention. He is _clearly_ not ashamed to be seen with her. But it makes sense that, in her hurt, anger, and embarrassment, she would assume that was the reason.
The same goes for his comment at the ball in season 2. What did he really say? That he wouldn't dream of courting her. But as much as it hurts Penelope (and us) to hear, that isn't actually an insult. There are plenty of reasons you might not date someone that have nothing to do with their worth or desirability. Including the fact that, as far as Colin knew, Penelope only saw _him_ as a friend. Her crush is obvious to us, but we have to remember that we've seen soooo much that he hasn't. He only has a fraction of the evidence we do. Plus, with his insecurities, he would never attribute her attentions to love- he just assumes it's all because she's his friend. Even after the scene in the drawing room, and their first kiss, when you keep saying he has to know. But you're saying that as an impartial observer, with nothing emotional or personal at stake, and as someone who knows that he is worthy of love (he doesn't). No matter how obvious it seems to us, he is genuinely oblivious to it. This is confirmed when he asks his mom in the next episode how to know if his feelings are reciprocated. He has *no idea* that she feels the same way. In the same way that she was completely surprised by his declaration in the carriage, despite his obvious intensity when he approached her at the ball, and the fact that he *_couldn't stop looking at her lips!_* But she never expected him to return her feelings, so she rewrites and reinterprets all the signs in her head. And that's what he's been doing with her all along.
All the "insult" of his comment comes from the motives _we_ ascribe to it. We assume he's embarrassed for those men to think he's courting her. Why else would he deny it so emphatically? (I'll get to that in a minute). We assume it's because he thinks she's unattractive or undesirable. We assume he's saying that the very idea of courting her is laughable. But he doesn't actually say any of that. In fact, we have never seen a single hint that he sees her as anything less than wonderful. We've seen his obvious admiration of her numerous times in the first two seasons. This season, when he's coaching her, all his advice boils down to "be yourself" because he knows she's amazing. She just has to learn to let it show. When she recoils at the idea of flirting with a viscount, his only response is to remind her that she's Penelope Featherington. He knows she's a catch that a viscount would be lucky to get.
To be fair, his wording is unnecessarily emphatic. But there are lots of possible reasons for that which fit his character and their relationship much better than him being dismissive of or insulting his best friend, who he's always been super protective of, and who he just promised to take care of less than an hour ago. To some extent, there's the platonic friend who is simply tired of explaining for the thousandth time that no, they are NOT dating their friend, and yes, they REALLY are just friends. Whose denials get more emphatic with each repetition because people can't seem to accept it. Then there's the fact that there clearly _are_ some unrecognized feelings there, which only lends strength to his denial. He protests too much. But he's denying his interest, not her desirability. Add to that the fact that he has no idea of her feelings, which might put him on the defensive... denying any desire to court her because he assumes she wouldn't want to court him. We see Penelope doing the exact same thing after their first kiss... emphatically declaring it will never happen again (and breaking his heart in the process) because she assumes he wouldn't want to do it again.
His response this season supports this. Colin is generally a really sweet, thoughtful guy, always thinking about the feelings and needs of those around him, especially Penelope. If he had decided to make fun of her to those men, even if it was just social pressure in the moment, he would feel guilt about it afterwards. It would probably haunt him for a while. What he wouldn't do is immediately forget it like any other random comment. And yet, when Penelope brings it up, he seems to have no idea what she's talking about. Even when he goes to apologize to her, he doesn't mention anything beyond what she said... he doesn't seem to remember the incident at all.
Consider that Penelope cut him off immediately after that conversation, and he spent the better part of a year wondering why. Colin is always quick to assume the blame when those around him are upset, even when it has nothing to do with him. And yet in this case, when he truly is at fault, it doesn't even cross his mind? He assumed she was simply living her life and didn't need him, like the rest of his family. This conversation wasn't even a flicker on the edge of his consciousness. It never even occurred to him that he might have hurt or offended her, because he didn't think he said anything hurtful or offensive. Colin is always quick to apologize anytime he wrongs someone, no matter how big or small the offense- we see this multiple times even just this season. And yet in this case, he didn't apologize until Penelope brought it up... because that's the first time he realized there was anything to apologize for.
None of this lets him off the hook. Regardless of his intentions, he _did_ hurt her, and he might have hurt her chances with those other eligible gentlemen, if they took his comment the way Penelope and the audience did. She has every right to be upset about it and to tell him so. But it makes no sense for him to step so far outside his own character as to make fun of his best friend like that, and yet not even remember doing it or feel any lingering guilt over it. It seems clear to me that it was a hurtful mistake, rather than dismissiveness or trying to win the approval of his peers. And to his credit, when it's brought to his attention he immediately owns up to it, apologizes without making any excuses, and tries to make amends.
I think this part of the series doesn't show enough of the depth of these two characters, but the glimpse we got shows us how as younger (and less mature in some ways) people they found each other as partners and will help each other grow up and become "adults."
About the kiss, it was ~lust~ . I mean, she thought there was no hope for her case and she had nothing to lose. I don't think she even thought Colin would kiss her at that point. But he did!
That first kiss she's so scared. Of rejection of it being beautiful and never having it again of all of the possibilities. Of it being the end.
@@elaniarkady7351 honestly there so much one can say about that first kiss and it’s wild considering that it was just for a few seconds… but oh was it powerful!
My husband and I started as friends, we were friends in high school. We were together for 8 months broke up, then apart for 9 years, and then back together for 8 months. Then we got married, on my birthday mind you :D..now we've been married 9 years and going. So, to everyone saying it can't be done or whatever I'm a firm believer in not the right time. I knew the moment I met him that I was going to meet him. It's a comforting feeling knowing that my husband and I have grown up together and that we've known each other since we were 15 yrs old. A tale as old as time.
The book handled the friends to lovers arc MUCH better. I wish the show writers had borrowed from it more skillfully, because the crap they came up with instead was weak AF, two dimensional and uninspiring. In the show, Colin basically falls in lust with her after a ridiculously overwrought makeover, and the actual bond they already had is forgotten. Both spend the rest of the season mostly miserable. I hated everything about it. Sorry. One more casualty of the writers' strike / TV shows' unwillingness to pay great writers, directors and camera people what they're worth.
Yay. I was literally just thinking hopefully we dont have to wait to long for a new bridgerton Video from you. And here we go :)
Would you consider doing a collaboration with Dave Neal? He’s been covering a strange paternity case with Clayton Eckart a former bachelor. The lady apparently was never pregnant. I would love a therapist take on her motivation and her continued lies and manipulation.
That's the thing, I think he really doesn't.😂 It really doesn't make sense, not that insecurity ever does have to make sense, if he is aware that this is something special to her BECAUSE of his participation. I would be easier, to believe or then hate Colin, if he did know. But he really is a rock.
As non English native speaker, 'I would never dream of courting Penelope' - does it not mean something like I would not dare, I would not even try? Dreaming of is wanting something ? Is his sentence really implying he does not want? In the book it's done better, the mother suggets him marrying Pen, since she is seeing great friendship fondation, and Colin is then saying I will never marry Pen, only becuase he just not ready and wants his travels so much,
Please tell me there will be a 2nd part and that you will be discussing the following point no one wants to talk about:
As much as I want to love the romance between Penelope and Colin, I feel a bit conflicted. When Colin was younger I didn't have much to dislike, he was a young man who didn't know what he wanted and didn't have the backbone to stand up for himself which isn't great but somehow still forgivable but at the end of part 1 of season 3 (spoiler alert only continue watching if you've seen the end of S3 part 1) where Colin proposed to Penelope he lost me. That was the most unromantic proposal I've ever seen and I don't understand why everyone loves that scene so much. He basically says that he's tried not to love her because she's not desirable in the eyes of society and he's invested a lot of effort and strength in resisting his feelings and is too weak and therefore gives up. Who wants to hear that? His proposal is totally insulting. Why doesn't he tell her why he loves her and what makes her special to him? I'm happy for Penelope that her dreams are coming true but she deserves a better love story! Please please please tell us your thoughts on that in a part 2!
So in the Bridgerton fandom, we are all actually talking about Eloise and how she’s really not that great of a friend and how she is on the narcissistic spectrum. I would really love to hear your thoughts on Eloise when you go back and watch scenes with her. Penelope and Collin are golden and I think we kind of knew that from the start❤
I had a friend who, like Pen, was convinced she would die a virgin. One time, she, my then boyfriend and I went on a road trip when we spotted a business sign for Virgin Mortuary. Did we laugh over that one! Fast forward: she did not die a virgin.
I think Colin thoughtvdating Penelope was like dahingehend his xounger sicher becsuse he knew her doch long. It took him a while and a very nice and decent Vegetarian to see that he loves her.
But I fon' t like that the authors used the vegetarian Lord just to make Colin jealous
I honestly can tell you, while they didn't totally kill the love story by doing an actual good "girl-boss: adaptation of Penelope, they did lose so much character growth individually and with each other in doing it. It was also effected by the unfortunate add ons in side stories when this one really just needed small bits of those that could be continued in the next season.
I was being pressured to not marry my husband and he was as well. Both sets of parents were against the marriage. We had dated for 3 years before getting engaged. The pressure didn't start until after the engagement. I think all 4 of them were hoping we would break off our relationship.
I'm done though. Ive always been upfront about how I feel and so far nothing substantial has come out of it. The latest bit being the dude is part of a super specific cult ish group who sees me as a sin if we were to be more than friends. 😂 fml