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I think the reason why Seungkwan can keep improving in dancing is bcs he has no certain 'habits' like other members have and just absorbs everything that is taught to him as it is. And for Dino, just seeing him in any members' dance video / dance lessons just speak how is he in the 1st place to me
@@ScruffyLyx I sadly think that he might’ve adopted doing that from a lack of confidence aswell as focusing a lot on the step but it isn’t really a habit of dance style like a lot of the other members have
Seungkwan has shortened achilles tendons that make him unable to squat or sit cross-legged (not enough flexibility in the pelvis), as well as multiple ankle injuries over the years. I'm so incredibly proud of him as a dancer, not only bc of those physical difficulties, but as a main vocalist, he is the one least expected to dance well. To put in the time and effort to improve like this really speaks to his work ethic and how much dance means to him.
Most of Mingyu’s issues stem from the fact that he gigantic… his issues are very typical of tall people with long limbs… that’s why I think if you are a tall person and you wanna learn to dance maybe start with ballet… ballet teaches control and discipline!!! Seungkwan has absolutely improved!!!
Yes I agree, he really dances well and to me it's impressive for someone who is very big and tall, still sometimes his body is too big for some detailed steps :((
i'm so happy that Dino is 1st. he's so underrated for being one of the best dancers in kpop. i think why many people put Hoshi 1st is because of his stage presence. i can say that Hoshi is the best performer in Svt, but Dino is the best dancer. just hope people don't sleep on Dino's talents cuz that boy is talented.
1000% agreed. personally, i feel like hoshi stands out more for people because he just stands out more period. he has such palpable charisma and stage presence that draws you in. dino is very effective at it as well, but imo this is where hoshi excels. i tend to gravitate towards watching hoshi more during performances but would agree that dino is the most technically skilled
YESSSS tbh i feel the same way, eventho Hoshi is my bias and had the craziest stage presence I EVER ENCOUNTER in the kpop industry, I watch so many fancam of Seventeen but some how Hoshi performance just HIT different. BUTTT I CAN NOT sleep on Dino because of how talented he is; you can tell he is gifted with that talent. SO STOP SLEEP ON DINO CARATTT!!!
I think hoshi is the best dancer bc i like his style a bit more, so, its not for sp imo, from the beginning to now, i will always think hes the best dancer in kpop industry too.
sometimes I just look at a person and tell myself they truly are just built different, and seungkwan is one of those people. dude can SING, can dance, can entertain and is already a successful and highly respected entertainer AND idol. not to mention being handsome and funny af???
i used to see seungkwan ranking last on this type of analyses i'm so proud with his growth!!! 😭 also thank you for appreciating dino! he's the best but also very underrated (in kpop generally)
As a dancer and a Carat of 8yrs, I am always surprised when ppl rank Hoshi as no.1 because I have always thought Dino was very obviously a better dancer. But I see ppl consistently rank him No.1 idk why. I think Woozi and Hoshi used to be in a similar stage in technique during their debut but Woozi didn't develop nearly as much as Hoshi did. Seungkwan has surprised me with his improvement during HOT, Super and GOM era.. I was blown away if I am being honest. His execution or at least the way he wants to execute steps seem to be similar to Dino's. I am not sure if they learn or practice together but Dino's Danceology with Seungkwan esp made me feel this way.
Seungkwan and Dino said both that in their trainee days they taught each other mostly. Seungkwan gave Dino privat vocal lessons and in turn Dino taught Seungkwan how to dance. So to see Seungkwan taking after Dino in terms of style and having an easier time to dance in Dinos style (Like in Flower (Dinos Choreography) and Dinos Dancology) doesn't surprise me.
@@jujoonline8248 I have heard abt it.. but it used to not be this way say 2-3 yrs ago. but his recent improvements are very stylistically similar to Dino.. So I was just wondering if they recently went back to practicing together.
I think people ranking hoshi over dino has something to do with the fact that hoshi has the performance leader title so they just think he's a better dancer bc even whenever main dancers of multiple groups are mentioned in videos I rarely see dino being mentioned even though he is one but hoshi is always mentioned since he's the performance team leader
when talking about best male dancers in tge 3rd gen of kpop i feel like dino’s name never gets mentioned. so happy to see him at the top of this ranking!!
I think most of that is carats fault bc they don't talk about dino dancing much. Instead they focus on things like how he is the maknae with the hardest life or other jokes. 1 example is in the behind of 1 dance practice where dino had a solo part in the dance break a lot of the comments weren't actually praising his dance (which was honestly like 1 of the best I'd seen and which made him my ult) but instead focused on his hyungs showing their support with most comments being along the lines of "seventeen=dino+dino fanclub"
I'm always amazed at how well Woozi dances considering the fact that he puts most of his time and energy into producing. He doesn't have as much time to focus on his dancing as the other members yet he's one of the best in the group. I've always felt bad for him though, he has so much on his plate. The weight on his shoulders was and is huge, especially during Seventeen's early days.
this part! especially since for years he stated he didn't want to/just didn't dance much outside of practice for choreo, so he essentially never really trained his dancing aside from that. you can really tell when he started dancing to train and for fun again, since his abilities in more recent choreos have vastly improved when he was already quite good even when regressing certain skills since debut. he's very very often opposite Hoshi in choreos for a reason, he can match that energy and style with ease to balance each side. I love seeing people actually recognize WHY he was nearly in perf unit, and why he damn near still could be. him, hoshi, and dino have always been my personal favourite dancers because of their style
This speculation really has answered all the questions I’ve had about each of them since I also dance but not advanced enough to pinpoint the details like you. Thank you so much for the amazingly done analysis
This video put into words shit that me as an uncoordinated person doesn’t quite know how to say, nice job in finding clips that supported all your points. I think that Dino is the best dancer in svt if you evaluate them based on technique, execution and consistency. I like to describe the dance line via the 4 elements: the8 is like wind, he flies through the air, and just feels light. Jun is water, he just moves fluidly but seems more restricted than the8. The best way to describe it is like fluid fits the shape of the container its in. Hoshi is like fire, flashy and eye catching. The colour of the flame changes approaching the center of it. Dino reminds me of earth, his moves just feel very grounded, his style is powerful but focused and precise.
Finally a video that ranks Dino as No. 1. As someone who learns dance and has been watching idols dancing for the past 12 years, Dino is one of the best if not the best in the industry. It was truly a privilege to watch him perform live at Follow to Bangkok. The stadium was huge and I was on the second floor, so I couldn’t see the members well because I was so far away. It was hard to spot anyone as there were so many members and backup dancers on stage. But I just had to find the one with the most impactful dance and checking with my binoculars, that was indeed Dino. You have to see it for yourself in real life Carats, it’s so so amazing. 🎉
as a longtime seungkwan fan, i know he isn't the Best dancer but i always felt a bit miffed when other rankings place him entirely near/at the bottom. so glad to see appreciation for him and also the reasoning behind it (and for everyone else too of course)
i love watching svt dance rankings cause it just goes to show how talented they are overall and the different strengths & weaknesses they each have, i think it's one of my favourite things about them because another member's weakness is another's strength and vice versa, which makes all their choreographies look so complete and just satisfying to me. this was so interesting to watch thanks for showing ur insight!!!!
Something else that's impressive about Seungkwan is his ability to improvise when he is asked to. He seems like a very safe pair of hands across the board. Jun is an interesting one. He is most eye catching to me when the group dances, he has dramatic flair, big moves. I see him as the only member with a theatrical kind of style. But he does also have a stiffness to him. I remember reading he had muscular tuberculosis as a teenager, I hadn't put 2 and 2 together and realized it probably left him with weakness. I believe Seungkwan also has some kind of physical issue. But that they all have different things going on yet still look very cohesive as a group is really cool.
Finally a ranking I do agree with! It's nice to see someone recognizing Seungkwan growth and potentiality. He works hard and it shows! Also, The8 has always been my favorite dancer out of Seventeeen yet I feel like he's often overlooked :( which is sad his fluidity and artisticality is no joke! (Also his comtemporary dances are insane! )
Dino is my #1 too! He’s so clean, precise, perfect but also has that uniqueness to his style that I don’t see anybody replicating. He definitely is the perfect mix of power & fluidity. I really liked your reasons cuz there are some that I’ve never noticed. But I have noticed Seungkwan’s recent growth so yay for recognising that too!
I loved your showcase of The8’s flow!! I really need to look at more of his dancing. Dino - I 100% agree that I would love to see him develop more in a street style. And YAS SEUNGKWAN - “execution comparable to the higher ranks” SO TRUE. Personally I find jeonghan quite intriguing - like his sense of artistry is interesting to me, despite the technical level. Might have rated Scoups higher? But also I haven’t really sat down to think about it seriously so like not a committed opinion haha
I think all seventeen members are amazing dancers with different aspects in their dance moves that helps make them unique and different and add to seventeen, and while they can still have room for improvement they have grown tremendously since debut and all have amazing talent where they all could be seen as all-rounders
Finally someone who put Dino 1st... I always thought he's the best dancer he looks so effortlessly smooth and his moves are very precised... Seventeen as a whole are group full of amazing dancers!
Finally a video where ppl appreciate The8’s talent. I’m tired of ppl who always put him and Dino lower than they actually are. Minghao and Dino are so underrated (even some Carats don’t pay attention to them) THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!😭
I am so proud to see Seungkwan so high. He’s really improved a lot and he’s so talented. I’m also so happy to see the many comments saying the same thing too. This was a really well executed video and I agree with all your points!
hi. honestly, it's sooooo difficult to rank seventeen cause there are choreos that looks good in certain members. people would think this person is the best because of this dance but then when you see another dance, another does it better. so i guess, it all comes down to who has the least bad habits in dancing. and I agree it's dino. though the other midranked dancers here can change their ranking over time depending on who decides to sharpen and hone their dancing skills more. also, can I just point out how amazingggg the8 dances to dino's wait. like the way he just flows when he spins around like whaaaatttt. streammm WAIT everyone!
ive watched a good amount of svt dance rankings and tbh i think this analysis is my favorite because its just feels so unbiased and makes a lot of sense
@pamelaguerra3768 I believe he was second on whiteravenkpopfan's ranking? he's first on KDDD's one, though, and that got a fair bit of traction on dinonara twt lmao
right! from what i’ve seen it’s non fans and most carats that don’t rank him first, but all the dancers that 1. have technical knowledge 2. have watched member fancams all rank him first.
I always expected kwan and vernon to be ranked way higher than they usually are. I didn't have solid reasons as to why, they just looked so cool. Spent an hour watching this, repeating every single clip and explanation multiple times. Everything just makes sense now.
To echo a lot of what has been said in the comments, I am so so impressed with not only the way you've explained and highlighted the points you want to make but also the research you went into. You really pulled from all eras, solo releases, covers, lessons and practice videos and I commend you for the time and detail!! This is such a high quality video and you should be so proud.
Dino!! He's an extremely skilled technical dancer and I feel like he's extremely overlooked in kpop best dancer discussions because he's not as popular but you can see how skilled he is during his danceologies and solo choreos. I'm glad to see him at nr 1 Hoshi at 3 and Jun at 7 definitely surprised me tho but I get your reasoning. Seungkwan so high was another suprise .I know he improved a lot since debut but i guess he never stands out to me like that so i never expected him so high . It's interesting to see the opinions of someone with dance expertise on him/them all😂😂
exactly! I still don't quite agree with their low rankings but I do agree with some of the comments. However I've never really noticed a problem with hoshi's fluidity so I don't think that should have dragged him down so much.
yeah i also have always thought of SK as a really great dancer. I think the only thing i don't really agree with is Vernon ranked lower than SK. Maybe just because Vernon's dance always stands out so much to me
ngl i agree w kwan's ranking although i think the ranks for vernon and seungkwan should be swapped. i remember watching another dance ranking video and it was pretty old and kwan was ranked 13th or 12th there i think. and i agree he actually improved a lot. as for jun, he is a great dancer (im kinda sleepy so i wont go in details lol) i think he couldve been ranked a little higher. ig it depends on the dance (i think) because in some dances he catches all the details but in some, he doesnt. it basically depends on the amount of practice and observation since they have choreographers & all.
I really admire the effort put into this vid and into explaining things so clearly and visually, it was really interesting. Even though I love that woozi ended up in the vocal unit and I that he's really busy because of his producer role, I really wonder how he would have improved if he was in performance unit or if he had more time to practice and dance (cause he does seem to want to do it just for fun in his free time too). Ive seen some people say he lack precision and control when it comes to his arms, do you agree? I loved the idea of seeing him utilize his upper bode strength in floor work. The8 really has the ability to express himself artistically in unique way, very expressive. Seungkwans has had amazing growth, though I've always enjoyed his dancing, and he's just so captivating. Dino is insane.
It annoys me that seungkwan and Dino get so little recognition but im happy your video shows how good they are! Also, I like your whole analysis since i think most carats are unwilling to admit that the most visually pleasing members are weak in dancing techniques.
Wow, this is the first time I agree with every point I see in these kind of videos. Thank you so much. Also, I'm very proud of Seungkwan and totally agree about Dino.
Dino and The8 are my top two for sure! Hoshi is incredible too, but you can feel Hoshi is more of a WORK passion! He loves to dance, but it’s also his job which he takes seriously and is very hard on himself too. For me Dino and The8 just have dance in their VEINS. Both incredibly different to each other but their PASSION is their work, which is a very big difference. Idk how to explain it! I think Dinos Danceology and The8’s contemporary art proofs my point a little bit. Whilst Hoshi spider was INCREDIBLY fun, but does not have the feels like the other two! Love this!
As a dancer myself, I'd put Hoshi over The8 pretty easily technique-wise, but nobody can argue the pure FLOW that The8's got. Very impressive from him!
as a non dancer i feel like they have such different feelings that i would put hoshi over the8 in certain dances that require hype/power but the8 in dances that have a lot of emotion and softness if that makes sense! but also as i said, not a dancer, just love seeing dance and learning abt it :-)
@@8luvbug gurl why you in all of my comments wtf 😂 Why you got so much hate lmao YES he can outdance them... don't come here saying shit before watching their best performances
@@8luvbug okayyy....???? What do you want me to do? Say whatever you want. Well seventeen are the best selling artists in history surpassing Riahana and Adele. Dino is earning in millions and you are here, writing a petty hate comment. Now stop being toxic. Don't you have anything else to do rather than hate, go wash the dishes.
@@anushkanegi304 You're the one who's throwing shade at other idols claiming your fave is better than them instead of just complimenting your fave without bringing up others.
These rankings are spot on after just watching the Dec 16 Livestream of the Follow concert in Japan. All of them are talented dancers, but Dino really is a master of the craft
Finally someone complimenting dino from the livestream performance. He did so good but in the theatre I went to no one was cheering when he came except my sister and I. It really annoyed me
i would have watched an hour long video of this tbh! i’m pleased to see seungkwan and dino ranked where they should be mwahaha. dino, a balanced dancer, seungkwan seemingly learning from him… i feel like jeonghan would really benefit from knowing he could use his energy in a better way :/he’s one of my favourites to watch despite not being at the top. it’s amazing that woozi and seungkwan are that good for people who have to focus on doing their main job (in which they’re standouts in the industry) in the group. especially woozi i always felt bad that he couldn’t spend more time dancing. i assumed minghao just lacked stamina and that’s why he couldn’t exert a lot of power on stage, but who knows. and his strengths don’t translate too well to what people recognize as good bg choreo dancing. i always enjoy him the most once it gets more groove centric. i was happy when wonwoo decided to build more muscle in his body cause i think that helped.
Love your work as always!! Shout out to Seungkwan's growth, he really has been impressive these days. Your points about Jun were SO fascinating and I think also suit his quirky personality somehow lol, I hope his odd alignments don't lead to any serious injuries though. I think I would've swapped Coups with DK because even in the clip at 6:40 I couldn't stop watching him haha! His control over his legs and the shapes he was making is just soooo damn pretty, but maybe that's because I do enjoy his use of power more. I know it's probably more work for you lool but it would be great to have more side by side examples of better execution for the lower ranked members just so certain concepts are clearer? OMG that choreo of The8 dancing with that girl gave me goosebumps, he's soooo dynamic and beautiful. And we BEEN knew Dino is a BEAST!! No surprises there!!
excellent video as always, I really appreciate your objectiveness in these matters; most carats are unwilling to admit that the five most popular and conventionally attractive members are kinda weak dancers. I love to see Vernon, Seungkwan, and Woozi in the top-half of the ranking, it’s very well-deserved. Vernon has always been an underrated dancer and Seungkwan has improved so much and is really nice to watch. I knew what Woozi’s weakness would be before you even got to that part: his hips can be quite stiff in certain choreos. But I think it’s so impressive that he maintains such a high level of dancing considering how busy he is with the song-writing and production side of svt. Imagine how good he could be if he really dedicated time to dancing. I was initially shocked to see Jun so low, but I think your explanation makes sense. There are some moves he does that are so nice, but I agree that injuries have limited his ability. And lastly, extremely well-deserved first place for Dino! I’ve always quietly felt that he was the best dancer in seventeen but he’s not one of the popular members so it’s not a popular opinion… even with stage presence, I feel like he’s equal to Hoshi; on top of his skills, his facial expressions are also so good. There are certain moves in ‘Wait’ that really only look good when Dino does it. Cheers!
@@TheJuxtaposer yeah bcs tbh Hoshi is more popular than Shua I think (?). but I think some people mistake stage presence as part of dancing too and while it does play a part, in videos like this, it does not. what the four most popular members lack in dancing, they make it up for with stage presence (especially that Scoups). I would honestly HONESTLY say that in my ranking, Jeonghan and Seungkwan would be 7/8 but I have my own reasons lol
@@fiveh3340be real, most of the time “stage presence” is just code for “handsome guy”. you’re right about Hoshi being popular, that’s why so many people think he’s a better dancer than Dino. It’s really just a popularity contest.
@@TheJuxtaposer I mean... stage presence actually does have meaning and Scoups definitely has it. For the others, yes some people take their looks as good enough stage presence but I have seen non-Carats ranking their stage presence and most of the four float in the middle in those rankings, with Scoups being one of the highest. and about the Dino point, it's partly because Hoshi is popular, and partly because he WAS the best dancer up until Dino overtook him and people didn't let that go. Another part of it is because people think Hoshi has better "stage presence". In my opinion, Hoshi is a better idol dancer but Dino is a better DANCER dancer overall. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm taking a dig at you but you seem awfully mad at the four (or five, as you say) most popular ones?
Wow, thank you for all the thought put into this! I feel like I've watched enough dance to see the basics but something like noticing if someone is holding too much tension somewhere and how that's effecting the rest of their dance is just beyond me. It was nice to borrow your eyes for a bit. 😁 Great to see Dino get his flowers, I've loved Hoshi from the jump but Dino is so spectacular to watch (especially some of his Danceology performances) and he doesn't get enough credit for it! Also, very happy to see Seungkwan getting his!! I feel like you can see the work he's still put into improving his dancing in recent years. The clips of Hot were the perfect illustration imho, he was really catching my eye in that choreo! Super interesting all around, thanks again!! ❤️
I never expected to be this highly engaged in a ranking video that I just happened to stumble upon. I've always thought that Seventeen has excellent dancers in their group however, always wondered why someone dances better though they look just the same. This made so much sense.
I agree on everything except that I'd put Hoshi 2nd and the8 3rd with no interchangeability. About Dino, he's really so skilled I'm sad people (carats too) underestimate him and I seriously don't understand why, he doesn't "just" shine as a dancer but also as a performer(which is what some people tend to look at). I really like these videos and I'm looking forward to the NCT Dream one but I was wondering if you'll ever make again a video like the one you did with Ateez, ranking the top 3 in each dancing aspect. I found these kind of videos also interesting.
💎💎💎In a recent episode with NA PD, the members agreed that THE 8 was the member who struggled the most with LEARNING the choreo. I found that so surprising, but The 8 agreed. I think for 13 members of vastly different heights and abilities to be as synchronized as they are on most dances, and to continue to produce challenging and FAST choreo - I'm just going to keep watching them in awe no matter how they are ranked! 💎💎💎
this was an awesome analysis and i love how you explain your reasoning/rationale, as someone who knows nothing about dance it makes it rly easy to digest! your videos are also excellent at isolating and showcasing specific examples that rly helps illustrate your commentary i rly loved seeing vernon and seungkwans dancing get acknowledged! i was impressed with how much seungkwans improved like it goes to show u svt rly fosters everyone into becoming all rounders lol it was v amusing to me how dino’s analysis was basically just “he just rly doesnt do anything badly” 😭 like yeah i think dancings as natural to him as walking or breathing atp he’s so attuned to it 😭 altho i think him experimenting with new styles can only help him become more excellent 🙌
Really interesting analysis! I also think personal preference style plays into where we as Carats rank the boys. I love Vernon’s flow and vibe in general so I tend to gravitate to him when watching their choreo. But I was happy to see Dino get the acknowledgment he deserves. Having said that I also really love and appreciate Hoshi and his big dance presence.
i completely agree with the 1st. i've always thought that along w hoshi, dino is a main dancer. hoshi is an excellent dancer, as mentioned in the video, he has this eye-catching technique which makes people think that he is the best at one look. he dances with a lot of power. he reminds me of a girl from my dance class, she isnt the best dancer yet shes the most eye catching one. while dino, i'd say its the way he emphasizes every move. from powerful to soft. he expresses the steps so well and make them lively. i'm not saying hoshi doesn't make the dance lively. heres the difference: hoshi focuses on the DANCE/MOVES while dancing BUT dino focuses on how to DELIVER the moves. its hard to explain, english is not my first language sorryy!
If you ever have time and are looking for a group to rank I would suggest &TEAM ! Despite there not being a whole lot of material out there since they debuted just one year ago they have a strong dance line and it would be interesting to see your ranking of them
Cool video! A bit long, I could watch this comfortably on 2x speed, but I thoroughly enjoyed the informatics as someone who knows nothing about dance xD
I just can't accept Jun's ranking. I understand his injury limits him sometimes but IMO he's one of the most fluid and soft while at the same time powerful dancers of the group. His movements are just so easy on the eyes I could watch him dance for hours. I'm pretty sure that's why a lot of people love center Jun.
i knew the8 dancing was very special but your analysis made it so much more clear!! just watching the performance unit choreos and also the contemporary videos his technique skill and also style is something no other members possess clear ex: is in lilili yabbay i need a full video on that which is why i agree him and hoshi are interchangeable when looking at their weakness and strengths
I knew that Dino was gonna be first yay!!! Been watching him for years and his growth has amazed me😱And I’m not even a dancer☺️what a great video facts in fiction!!!!!🥳🥳🥳🥳Always delivering🫶🏽
This is a really great in-depth analysis!! You pointed out a lot of different details over the course of their career that a lot of dance analysis videos have missed. Loved the video ❤
For me Jun should take out of these ranks. I can't compare a injured person/dancer with a 100% healthy person/dancer. Is like compare bananas and apples.
one of the things that drew me to Seventeen is how if you focus on watching each individual member, you can easily see their styles and where they're most comfortable, but when watching the performance as a whole, not a single person ever seems off, out of place, or in an incorrect shape. hell, they have two members with more than half a foot of height difference and neither one of them ever truly stands out in their shapes or timing even though they realistically SHOULD due to this, especially in split second fast move alterations. personally, my favourite dancers are Woozi, Hoshi, and Dino, and I'm so happy to see Woozi recently dancing a lot more outside of just work than he used to, it really shows in more recent choreos. I always wonder what could've been for him as a dancer had he had more time to train dancing past their debut/early years, I personally think he could've been their best if not just under DIno. I definitely agree with your assessment of Dino & Hoshi, while Hoshi is the more entertaining performer, there's just an extra... calmness to Dino's even more explosive moves, like he's barely trying and still managing to shatter the earth. but in KPOP, Hoshi's style definitely works better in the scene, so I see why so many list him as the best
I really loved this analysis. The rankings were also quite justified to my liking, especially the Top3. My favourite dancer since the time I became a Carat has always been The8, his flow never fails to impress me and it's pretty obvious he's great, but I don't see as many people appreciating him (Maybe it's just me tho idk). I mean, the most I've heard is about Dino and Hoshi and then maybe Woozi, but yes, Dino definitely deserves the 1st place, he's worked a lot for that recognition and I'm so glad he's improved so much and is getting his well-earned recognition. Another favourite of mine is ofcourse Jeonghan, I just love to watch him dance, but then again, it's such a pleasure seeing all 13 of them dance, it's so Feel-good, I can talk about it all day.
fellow flowy dance enjoyer, I see (bcs you like Jeonghan and The 8's dancing, same like me)! I think that's why they rank high in my list, because I prefer their style compared to others. They make it look easy. Rankings like this, regardless of whether people are dancers or not, are really subjective. One dancer can believe this is good while another believes another is good hahah
@@fiveh3340 I agree. It's a pretty subjective topic. And I'm glad to find another person who feels the same way about Jeonghan and Minghao's dancing style.
I love watching these kinds of videos because I don't know the first thing about techniques in dancing, very interesting to see a breakdown of their dancing from a more technical perspective Wonderful video, was hooked from the beginning 22 min felt like 10 min!
this was a super interesting video!! some placings def surprised me bc they're different from what I usually see but the explanations were v detailed and I could notice things I wouldn't if I was just watching dance practices on my own :) I would love to see a video on oneus!! especially since hwanwoong used to train at pledis and seungkwan and dk praised his dancing skills
I find it so interesting when dancers talk about dancing because like... 99% of things you said in this video I wouldn't have caught if you hadn't pointed them out and even then a lot of the things were hard for me to really see with my untrained, non-dancer eyes :D
ahhh i was curious to see how svt rank as dancers and it made me so happy to see you've posted a ranking, your opinions are always so well thought-out and unbiased! as a new dancer (finally got the yes from my doctor!!) i wasn't sure if my observations were going to be "objective" i guess, but overall this fully matches what i thought too? dino is def #1 for me, and hoshi and minghao are interchangeable (depends on the choreo i'd say). i hadn't realised how good seungkwan is until now, but your analysis was very enlightening!! he really is exceptionally good for someone who isn't part of the dance line (as most of svt tbh, but seungkwan is the most remarkable to me, really shows he's learnt from dino) also, i would also place joshua near the bottom, but funnily enough i LOVE his dance style, his use of groove esp in choreos like l&r is so fun to watch, and he really suits choreos like thanks even if he's not the best technically. i guess his stage presence helps but he's very satisfying to watch for me :] amazing video!!
i came back here to check the comments section to see more opinions ... Why is it that carats always like to discredit Seungkwan and Dino? Why whenever i see a vid praising those two someone gotta mention other members and say they are better?? Why do carats not admit they improved and is it rlly that hard to agree that Dino deserves that 1st place and seungkwan 5th??? Shit like this always makes me hate carats... as a Boochan bias i always have to watch my biases being disrespected and underappreciated by their own fandom and it fucking sucks as soon as it’s time to praise y’all’s faves Seungkwan and Dino always come first in members to put down in order to praise ur biases…
I mean, even you said it yourself that they're your biases... everyone will defend their bias. As long as they say it respectfully, then I don't mind. But you're right, some of them didn't say it respectfully here. HOWEVER I've also seen the same case for Dino fans discrediting Hoshi, etc too. Just because a small portion does it, it doesn't mean everyone does it (btw I am totally in the opinion that Dino should be first. but I can see, that if Hoshi was ranked first in this, some Dino fans will do just what some Hoshi fans are doing rn)
@@fiveh3340 yes although they are my biases that doesnt mean that I’ll agree they should be top 3 in everything for example I saw someone say Dino is above Wonwoo in rap and I didn’t agree . But some fans under this comment section are rlly rude
@@Teeeeooo that's true! Saying "I prefer Hoshi, but it's just my opinion" is different than "No way Hoshi is better!" I wish people expressed their opinions better
Also, if you could, leave the longer explanations on screen a tad longer, then I could read without having to pause (which flows nicely with your soundtrack ^^)
I've actually been waiting for this video because I really wanted an analysis of seventeen's dancing styles. I'll admite I was shocked for a few of them. I really enjoy watching Jeonghan dance (i guess not as much for earlier videos because i saw what you meant in terms of his dynamic moves). So I was genuinely surprised Jeonghan was as low as he was. Jun's ranking truly shocked me, I didn't expect that at all tbh. I do see what you pointed out and I think it makes sense. As someone who is Jun biased and loves his dancing, I can recognize that there are details I would miss as a non-dancer that affect his overall technique. Vernon shocked me in a pleasant way! I've always recognized he was a good dancer but never recognized that he was as good as you ranked him here. His relaxed style matches his personality and he is very pleasing to watch so I was happy to see him so high. Seungkwan's ranking also made me incredibly happy. Obviously when you're ranking 13 people, everyone has to be somewhere in the rank. can't be too upset when not everyone can be 1st or 2nd. Thank you so much for the analysis and allowing me to appreciate Seventeen's dancing even more. Considering how different they all are from each other, it truly is phenomenal how synced Svt are in their choreos.
I had asked for this on a separate video and ahhh thank you so much! I love how detailed you are and look at different techniques from different lenses. Was I surprised by this ranking? Yes, but I get why you ranked them the way you did. Much love
I’m surprised dk wasn’t higher as although he’s not in the performance unit he’s often used for dance projects and stuff alongside the performance unit. Maybe it’s more his stage presence because my eyes really follow him but idk much about techniques
i expected joshua to be the last in ranking tbh, i didnt notice how much wonwoo lacks in fluidity 🤧 i really aprecciate your work!!! and i think that hoshi makes the movements highly incomprehensibles, specifcly in dances with many quick figures, i dont know if thats a good habit or not, but i avoid following hoshi's dances when it comes learning seventeen's choreos 😅
I also expected Joshua to come last then Wonwoo, maybe because Joshua's bad habits while dancing are more noticeable? And Wonwoo is pretty darn good at some certain types of dancing
@@fifihaven i'll go with dokeyom, dino, jeonghan or seungkwan, and sometimes avoid hoshi, seungcheol and woozi because their movements are not that clear
@@dokyme7Ah, that makes sense. I also notice that Seungkwan's dance style is pretty similar to Dino's, probably because he used to learn a lot of basic dance moves from Dino, if we take a look at their predebut clips.
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Most of my recent videos (for example this and the NCT Dream ranking) are on my Patreon with the original music, in case you want to support me there!
Please upload the NCT Dream ranking!
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will there still be a dance ranking of XG?🥺
seungkwan has had such impressive growth and you can tell he’s much more confident in recent years, so proud of him
I think the reason why Seungkwan can keep improving in dancing is bcs he has no certain 'habits' like other members have and just absorbs everything that is taught to him as it is.
And for Dino, just seeing him in any members' dance video / dance lessons just speak how is he in the 1st place to me
this makes so much sense
i think one habit of sk is that he tends to look at the floor a lot of the time when dancing
Also cause he does a lot more like yoga and pilates which helps in flexibility and core strength!
@@ScruffyLyx I sadly think that he might’ve adopted doing that from a lack of confidence aswell as focusing a lot on the step but it isn’t really a habit of dance style like a lot of the other members have
it's a bad habit regardless @@thethingcalledlisa
Seungkwan has shortened achilles tendons that make him unable to squat or sit cross-legged (not enough flexibility in the pelvis), as well as multiple ankle injuries over the years. I'm so incredibly proud of him as a dancer, not only bc of those physical difficulties, but as a main vocalist, he is the one least expected to dance well. To put in the time and effort to improve like this really speaks to his work ethic and how much dance means to him.
scoups' biggest advantage: his strength 😎💪
scoups' biggest disadvantage: his strength 😞💪
Lmao this
this is so funny man’s just too strong😭😭
I love this comment so much😭😭😭😭😭🫵🏼
Most of Mingyu’s issues stem from the fact that he gigantic… his issues are very typical of tall people with long limbs… that’s why I think if you are a tall person and you wanna learn to dance maybe start with ballet… ballet teaches control and discipline!!!
Seungkwan has absolutely improved!!!
Yes I agree, he really dances well and to me it's impressive for someone who is very big and tall, still sometimes his body is too big for some detailed steps :((
Mingyu is really talented as a very tall person cz not every tall person can dance well like that, most of them are stiff af
i'm so happy that Dino is 1st. he's so underrated for being one of the best dancers in kpop. i think why many people put Hoshi 1st is because of his stage presence. i can say that Hoshi is the best performer in Svt, but Dino is the best dancer. just hope people don't sleep on Dino's talents cuz that boy is talented.
1000% agreed. personally, i feel like hoshi stands out more for people because he just stands out more period. he has such palpable charisma and stage presence that draws you in. dino is very effective at it as well, but imo this is where hoshi excels. i tend to gravitate towards watching hoshi more during performances but would agree that dino is the most technically skilled
YESSSS tbh i feel the same way, eventho Hoshi is my bias and had the craziest stage presence I EVER ENCOUNTER in the kpop industry, I watch so many fancam of Seventeen but some how Hoshi performance just HIT different. BUTTT I CAN NOT sleep on Dino because of how talented he is; you can tell he is gifted with that talent.
SO STOP SLEEP ON DINO CARATTT!!!
I think Dino has great stage presence too though.
@@8luvbug yep. I think so too. But if u compare him to Hoshi, lot of people tend to recognise Hoshi more than Dino
I think hoshi is the best dancer bc i like his style a bit more, so, its not for sp imo, from the beginning to now, i will always think hes the best dancer in kpop industry too.
Between Hoshi and Dino I always see it as, Hoshi being the best "performer" in the group and Dino being the best dancer overall.
Both main dancers and performers
like kai and lay in exo
@@sirdromos2769 that's the perfect example I always use if people need further explaining.
sometimes I just look at a person and tell myself they truly are just built different, and seungkwan is one of those people. dude can SING, can dance, can entertain and is already a successful and highly respected entertainer AND idol. not to mention being handsome and funny af???
And his personality? man is perfection itself
Well said
He's also good at sports. What can he not do?
Lmao y’all remember that one fromis_9 girl calling seungkwan a joker card on Hybe x game caterers
Oh and he do crazy jump rope stuff too 😭😭
i used to see seungkwan ranking last on this type of analyses i'm so proud with his growth!!! 😭 also thank you for appreciating dino! he's the best but also very underrated (in kpop generally)
As a dancer and a Carat of 8yrs, I am always surprised when ppl rank Hoshi as no.1 because I have always thought Dino was very obviously a better dancer. But I see ppl consistently rank him No.1 idk why. I think Woozi and Hoshi used to be in a similar stage in technique during their debut but Woozi didn't develop nearly as much as Hoshi did. Seungkwan has surprised me with his improvement during HOT, Super and GOM era.. I was blown away if I am being honest. His execution or at least the way he wants to execute steps seem to be similar to Dino's. I am not sure if they learn or practice together but Dino's Danceology with Seungkwan esp made me feel this way.
Yes, definitely agree that his execution (especially stylistically) is similar to Dino these days
Seungkwan and Dino said both that in their trainee days they taught each other mostly. Seungkwan gave Dino privat vocal lessons and in turn Dino taught Seungkwan how to dance. So to see Seungkwan taking after Dino in terms of style and having an easier time to dance in Dinos style (Like in Flower (Dinos Choreography) and Dinos Dancology) doesn't surprise me.
@@jujoonline8248 I have heard abt it.. but it used to not be this way say 2-3 yrs ago. but his recent improvements are very stylistically similar to Dino.. So I was just wondering if they recently went back to practicing together.
@@ViDhana1010 could be... probably had the Idea for the Danceology then
I think people ranking hoshi over dino has something to do with the fact that hoshi has the performance leader title so they just think he's a better dancer bc even whenever main dancers of multiple groups are mentioned in videos I rarely see dino being mentioned even though he is one but hoshi is always mentioned since he's the performance team leader
The8 always amazes me with how he practically floats across the floor. He makes jumps and spins look so effortless, like gravity doesn't exist.
when talking about best male dancers in tge 3rd gen of kpop i feel like dino’s name never gets mentioned. so happy to see him at the top of this ranking!!
I think most of that is carats fault bc they don't talk about dino dancing much. Instead they focus on things like how he is the maknae with the hardest life or other jokes. 1 example is in the behind of 1 dance practice where dino had a solo part in the dance break a lot of the comments weren't actually praising his dance (which was honestly like 1 of the best I'd seen and which made him my ult) but instead focused on his hyungs showing their support with most comments being along the lines of "seventeen=dino+dino fanclub"
And yet most Kpop group fans like to say they care/support all of the members
I'm always amazed at how well Woozi dances considering the fact that he puts most of his time and energy into producing. He doesn't have as much time to focus on his dancing as the other members yet he's one of the best in the group. I've always felt bad for him though, he has so much on his plate. The weight on his shoulders was and is huge, especially during Seventeen's early days.
this part! especially since for years he stated he didn't want to/just didn't dance much outside of practice for choreo, so he essentially never really trained his dancing aside from that. you can really tell when he started dancing to train and for fun again, since his abilities in more recent choreos have vastly improved when he was already quite good even when regressing certain skills since debut. he's very very often opposite Hoshi in choreos for a reason, he can match that energy and style with ease to balance each side. I love seeing people actually recognize WHY he was nearly in perf unit, and why he damn near still could be. him, hoshi, and dino have always been my personal favourite dancers because of their style
This speculation really has answered all the questions I’ve had about each of them since I also dance but not advanced enough to pinpoint the details like you. Thank you so much for the amazingly done analysis
This video put into words shit that me as an uncoordinated person doesn’t quite know how to say, nice job in finding clips that supported all your points. I think that Dino is the best dancer in svt if you evaluate them based on technique, execution and consistency. I like to describe the dance line via the 4 elements: the8 is like wind, he flies through the air, and just feels light. Jun is water, he just moves fluidly but seems more restricted than the8. The best way to describe it is like fluid fits the shape of the container its in. Hoshi is like fire, flashy and eye catching. The colour of the flame changes approaching the center of it. Dino reminds me of earth, his moves just feel very grounded, his style is powerful but focused and precise.
Omg love the comparison to elements, it’s so true…
Omg this is my fav comment!!!
Beautifully said❤
bestie why is this literally the best comparison and description of the PU members ever???????
This is the best way to describe the PU!! Love it so much ❤
Finally a video that ranks Dino as No. 1. As someone who learns dance and has been watching idols dancing for the past 12 years, Dino is one of the best if not the best in the industry.
It was truly a privilege to watch him perform live at Follow to Bangkok. The stadium was huge and I was on the second floor, so I couldn’t see the members well because I was so far away. It was hard to spot anyone as there were so many members and backup dancers on stage. But I just had to find the one with the most impactful dance and checking with my binoculars, that was indeed Dino.
You have to see it for yourself in real life Carats, it’s so so amazing. 🎉
as a longtime seungkwan fan, i know he isn't the Best dancer but i always felt a bit miffed when other rankings place him entirely near/at the bottom. so glad to see appreciation for him and also the reasoning behind it (and for everyone else too of course)
Right???? I always mad whenever saw those videos, he has disadvantage such as short pelvis and yet still dance so perfect, i have beefs with those ppl
i love watching svt dance rankings cause it just goes to show how talented they are overall and the different strengths & weaknesses they each have, i think it's one of my favourite things about them because another member's weakness is another's strength and vice versa, which makes all their choreographies look so complete and just satisfying to me. this was so interesting to watch thanks for showing ur insight!!!!
Something else that's impressive about Seungkwan is his ability to improvise when he is asked to. He seems like a very safe pair of hands across the board.
Jun is an interesting one. He is most eye catching to me when the group dances, he has dramatic flair, big moves. I see him as the only member with a theatrical kind of style. But he does also have a stiffness to him. I remember reading he had muscular tuberculosis as a teenager, I hadn't put 2 and 2 together and realized it probably left him with weakness. I believe Seungkwan also has some kind of physical issue. But that they all have different things going on yet still look very cohesive as a group is really cool.
Finally a ranking I do agree with!
It's nice to see someone recognizing Seungkwan growth and potentiality. He works hard and it shows! Also, The8 has always been my favorite dancer out of Seventeeen yet I feel like he's often overlooked :( which is sad his fluidity and artisticality is no joke! (Also his comtemporary dances are insane! )
Dino is my #1 too! He’s so clean, precise, perfect but also has that uniqueness to his style that I don’t see anybody replicating. He definitely is the perfect mix of power & fluidity.
I really liked your reasons cuz there are some that I’ve never noticed. But I have noticed Seungkwan’s recent growth so yay for recognising that too!
I loved your showcase of The8’s flow!! I really need to look at more of his dancing.
Dino - I 100% agree that I would love to see him develop more in a street style.
And YAS SEUNGKWAN - “execution comparable to the higher ranks” SO TRUE.
Personally I find jeonghan quite intriguing - like his sense of artistry is interesting to me, despite the technical level.
Might have rated Scoups higher? But also I haven’t really sat down to think about it seriously so like not a committed opinion haha
I think all seventeen members are amazing dancers with different aspects in their dance moves that helps make them unique and different and add to seventeen, and while they can still have room for improvement they have grown tremendously since debut and all have amazing talent where they all could be seen as all-rounders
Finally someone who put Dino 1st... I always thought he's the best dancer he looks so effortlessly smooth and his moves are very precised... Seventeen as a whole are group full of amazing dancers!
Finally a video where ppl appreciate The8’s talent. I’m tired of ppl who always put him and Dino lower than they actually are. Minghao and Dino are so underrated (even some Carats don’t pay attention to them) THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!😭
I am so proud to see Seungkwan so high. He’s really improved a lot and he’s so talented. I’m also so happy to see the many comments saying the same thing too. This was a really well executed video and I agree with all your points!
hi. honestly, it's sooooo difficult to rank seventeen cause there are choreos that looks good in certain members. people would think this person is the best because of this dance but then when you see another dance, another does it better. so i guess, it all comes down to who has the least bad habits in dancing. and I agree it's dino. though the other midranked dancers here can change their ranking over time depending on who decides to sharpen and hone their dancing skills more.
also, can I just point out how amazingggg the8 dances to dino's wait. like the way he just flows when he spins around like whaaaatttt. streammm WAIT everyone!
ive watched a good amount of svt dance rankings and tbh i think this analysis is my favorite because its just feels so unbiased and makes a lot of sense
As soon as my notification popped up, I already had hopes that Dino is first!
The way I knew Dino was gonna come on number 1. Ppl sleep on him so much. 😭
I think fans don't talk about him as much but he's always first in rankings, or at least the ones I've seen
@pamelaguerra3768 I believe he was second on whiteravenkpopfan's ranking? he's first on KDDD's one, though, and that got a fair bit of traction on dinonara twt lmao
sameeee
For real, I thought Hoshi will be the 1st and Dino 2nd but I really enjoy Dino's dance 🧍🏽♀️ he's my wrecker potentially my 4th bias 😭🩵
right! from what i’ve seen it’s non fans and most carats that don’t rank him first, but all the dancers that 1. have technical knowledge 2. have watched member fancams all rank him first.
I always expected kwan and vernon to be ranked way higher than they usually are. I didn't have solid reasons as to why, they just looked so cool.
Spent an hour watching this, repeating every single clip and explanation multiple times. Everything just makes sense now.
Seungkwann! Yess! He finally got the dance recognition he deserves!
absolutely love the seungkwan growth recognition!
Same😊
Saw this and went "Dino's number 1 for me" Seeing him at 1 made me so happy
To echo a lot of what has been said in the comments, I am so so impressed with not only the way you've explained and highlighted the points you want to make but also the research you went into. You really pulled from all eras, solo releases, covers, lessons and practice videos and I commend you for the time and detail!! This is such a high quality video and you should be so proud.
Thank you!
Dino!! He's an extremely skilled technical dancer and I feel like he's extremely overlooked in kpop best dancer discussions because he's not as popular but you can see how skilled he is during his danceologies and solo choreos. I'm glad to see him at nr 1
Hoshi at 3 and Jun at 7 definitely surprised me tho but I get your reasoning. Seungkwan so high was another suprise .I know he improved a lot since debut but i guess he never stands out to me like that so i never expected him so high . It's interesting to see the opinions of someone with dance expertise on him/them all😂😂
exactly! I still don't quite agree with their low rankings but I do agree with some of the comments. However I've never really noticed a problem with hoshi's fluidity so I don't think that should have dragged him down so much.
yeah i also have always thought of SK as a really great dancer. I think the only thing i don't really agree with is Vernon ranked lower than SK. Maybe just because Vernon's dance always stands out so much to me
ngl i agree w kwan's ranking although i think the ranks for vernon and seungkwan should be swapped. i remember watching another dance ranking video and it was pretty old and kwan was ranked 13th or 12th there i think. and i agree he actually improved a lot. as for jun, he is a great dancer (im kinda sleepy so i wont go in details lol) i think he couldve been ranked a little higher. ig it depends on the dance (i think) because in some dances he catches all the details but in some, he doesnt. it basically depends on the amount of practice and observation since they have choreographers & all.
I really admire the effort put into this vid and into explaining things so clearly and visually, it was really interesting. Even though I love that woozi ended up in the vocal unit and I that he's really busy because of his producer role, I really wonder how he would have improved if he was in performance unit or if he had more time to practice and dance (cause he does seem to want to do it just for fun in his free time too). Ive seen some people say he lack precision and control when it comes to his arms, do you agree?
I loved the idea of seeing him utilize his upper bode strength in floor work.
The8 really has the ability to express himself artistically in unique way, very expressive. Seungkwans has had amazing growth, though I've always enjoyed his dancing, and he's just so captivating. Dino is insane.
In comparison to Dino I do think that Woozi has less arm control and precision, but I wouldn't say it's a noticeable flaw either
wow this was incredibly insightful and i thoroughly enjoyed all the breakdowns for each member! thank u
It annoys me that seungkwan and Dino get so little recognition but im happy your video shows how good they are! Also, I like your whole analysis since i think most carats are unwilling to admit that the most visually pleasing members are weak in dancing techniques.
If this on tiktok they would go rage in the comment section
Wow, this is the first time I agree with every point I see in these kind of videos. Thank you so much. Also, I'm very proud of Seungkwan and totally agree about Dino.
Dino and The8 are my top two for sure! Hoshi is incredible too, but you can feel Hoshi is more of a WORK passion! He loves to dance, but it’s also his job which he takes seriously and is very hard on himself too. For me Dino and The8 just have dance in their VEINS. Both incredibly different to each other but their PASSION is their work, which is a very big difference. Idk how to explain it! I think Dinos Danceology and The8’s contemporary art proofs my point a little bit. Whilst Hoshi spider was INCREDIBLY fun, but does not have the feels like the other two!
Love this!
Dino is SO underrated it really annoyes me😭He's in my opinion nro 1. in Svt but also I feel like non-fans only see Hoshi as a main dancer
As a dancer myself, I'd put Hoshi over The8 pretty easily technique-wise, but nobody can argue the pure FLOW that The8's got. Very impressive from him!
as a non dancer i feel like they have such different feelings that i would put hoshi over the8 in certain dances that require hype/power but the8 in dances that have a lot of emotion and softness if that makes sense! but also as i said, not a dancer, just love seeing dance and learning abt it :-)
I think the8 dances with elegancy. He's always elegant.
Dino is one of the best dancers in kpop but still unrecognised
He can easily beat many of the 'famous' main dancers of certain groups
Like who? Is he touching Kai, Taemin, Ten, Eunhyuck?
@@8luvbug gurl why you in all of my comments wtf 😂
Why you got so much hate lmao
YES he can outdance them... don't come here saying shit before watching their best performances
@@anushkanegi304 You're delusional. Dino isn't touching Taemin in dance
@@8luvbug okayyy....????
What do you want me to do? Say whatever you want. Well seventeen are the best selling artists in history surpassing Riahana and Adele. Dino is earning in millions and you are here, writing a petty hate comment. Now stop being toxic. Don't you have anything else to do rather than hate, go wash the dishes.
@@anushkanegi304 You're the one who's throwing shade at other idols claiming your fave is better than them instead of just complimenting your fave without bringing up others.
i'm really sad that jun is in 7th but really happy that minghao's skills are finally being recognized!!
Seungkwan improved sm its crazy
dino at #1 … finally someone has their eyes open!!! exactly!
These rankings are spot on after just watching the Dec 16 Livestream of the Follow concert in Japan. All of them are talented dancers, but Dino really is a master of the craft
Finally someone complimenting dino from the livestream performance. He did so good but in the theatre I went to no one was cheering when he came except my sister and I. It really annoyed me
i would have watched an hour long video of this tbh!
i’m pleased to see seungkwan and dino ranked where they should be mwahaha. dino, a balanced dancer, seungkwan seemingly learning from him…
i feel like jeonghan would really benefit from knowing he could use his energy in a better way :/he’s one of my favourites to watch despite not being at the top.
it’s amazing that woozi and seungkwan are that good for people who have to focus on doing their main job (in which they’re standouts in the industry) in the group. especially woozi i always felt bad that he couldn’t spend more time dancing.
i assumed minghao just lacked stamina and that’s why he couldn’t exert a lot of power on stage, but who knows. and his strengths don’t translate too well to what people recognize as good bg choreo dancing. i always enjoy him the most once it gets more groove centric.
i was happy when wonwoo decided to build more muscle in his body cause i think that helped.
Love your work as always!! Shout out to Seungkwan's growth, he really has been impressive these days. Your points about Jun were SO fascinating and I think also suit his quirky personality somehow lol, I hope his odd alignments don't lead to any serious injuries though. I think I would've swapped Coups with DK because even in the clip at 6:40 I couldn't stop watching him haha! His control over his legs and the shapes he was making is just soooo damn pretty, but maybe that's because I do enjoy his use of power more.
I know it's probably more work for you lool but it would be great to have more side by side examples of better execution for the lower ranked members just so certain concepts are clearer? OMG that choreo of The8 dancing with that girl gave me goosebumps, he's soooo dynamic and beautiful. And we BEEN knew Dino is a BEAST!!
No surprises there!!
I can definitely see your point with S.coups and Dk!
Did not expect to to see you here 💀
frfr 💀 @@Cloudyskies333
@@Cloudyskies333 I LOVE this channel lol
@@Koko3op haha same
13. Wonwoo
12. Joshua
11.Mingyu
10.Jeonghan
9. S.Coups
8. D.K
7. Jun
6.Vernon
5.Seungkwan
4. Woozi
3.Hoshi
2. The8
1. Dino
You're welcome.
excellent video as always, I really appreciate your objectiveness in these matters; most carats are unwilling to admit that the five most popular and conventionally attractive members are kinda weak dancers.
I love to see Vernon, Seungkwan, and Woozi in the top-half of the ranking, it’s very well-deserved. Vernon has always been an underrated dancer and Seungkwan has improved so much and is really nice to watch. I knew what Woozi’s weakness would be before you even got to that part: his hips can be quite stiff in certain choreos. But I think it’s so impressive that he maintains such a high level of dancing considering how busy he is with the song-writing and production side of svt. Imagine how good he could be if he really dedicated time to dancing.
I was initially shocked to see Jun so low, but I think your explanation makes sense. There are some moves he does that are so nice, but I agree that injuries have limited his ability.
And lastly, extremely well-deserved first place for Dino! I’ve always quietly felt that he was the best dancer in seventeen but he’s not one of the popular members so it’s not a popular opinion… even with stage presence, I feel like he’s equal to Hoshi; on top of his skills, his facial expressions are also so good. There are certain moves in ‘Wait’ that really only look good when Dino does it.
Cheers!
wait who's top five most popular I only know four ...
@@fiveh3340technically I was including Shua, but you’re right it’s really a big-4 when it comes to seventeen popularity.
@@TheJuxtaposer yeah bcs tbh Hoshi is more popular than Shua I think (?). but I think some people mistake stage presence as part of dancing too and while it does play a part, in videos like this, it does not. what the four most popular members lack in dancing, they make it up for with stage presence (especially that Scoups). I would honestly HONESTLY say that in my ranking, Jeonghan and Seungkwan would be 7/8 but I have my own reasons lol
@@fiveh3340be real, most of the time “stage presence” is just code for “handsome guy”.
you’re right about Hoshi being popular, that’s why so many people think he’s a better dancer than Dino. It’s really just a popularity contest.
@@TheJuxtaposer I mean... stage presence actually does have meaning and Scoups definitely has it. For the others, yes some people take their looks as good enough stage presence but I have seen non-Carats ranking their stage presence and most of the four float in the middle in those rankings, with Scoups being one of the highest.
and about the Dino point, it's partly because Hoshi is popular, and partly because he WAS the best dancer up until Dino overtook him and people didn't let that go. Another part of it is because people think Hoshi has better "stage presence". In my opinion, Hoshi is a better idol dancer but Dino is a better DANCER dancer overall.
I'm sorry if it seems like I'm taking a dig at you but you seem awfully mad at the four (or five, as you say) most popular ones?
So detailed and interesting as a result. Thanks so much for your videos!!
really proud of our boo. he had come a long way
Seeing seungkwan ranked below Joshua in multiple ranking videos always bugged me lol have you SEEN seungkwan dance
Wow, thank you for all the thought put into this! I feel like I've watched enough dance to see the basics but something like noticing if someone is holding too much tension somewhere and how that's effecting the rest of their dance is just beyond me. It was nice to borrow your eyes for a bit. 😁 Great to see Dino get his flowers, I've loved Hoshi from the jump but Dino is so spectacular to watch (especially some of his Danceology performances) and he doesn't get enough credit for it! Also, very happy to see Seungkwan getting his!! I feel like you can see the work he's still put into improving his dancing in recent years. The clips of Hot were the perfect illustration imho, he was really catching my eye in that choreo!
Super interesting all around, thanks again!! ❤️
The first SVT dance practice I ever watched, it was Dino who caught my eye. Something about the way he moves is just so absorbing to watch.
I never expected to be this highly engaged in a ranking video that I just happened to stumble upon. I've always thought that Seventeen has excellent dancers in their group however, always wondered why someone dances better though they look just the same. This made so much sense.
I agree on everything except that I'd put Hoshi 2nd and the8 3rd with no interchangeability.
About Dino, he's really so skilled I'm sad people (carats too) underestimate him and I seriously don't understand why, he doesn't "just" shine as a dancer but also as a performer(which is what some people tend to look at).
I really like these videos and I'm looking forward to the NCT Dream one but I was wondering if you'll ever make again a video like the one you did with Ateez, ranking the top 3 in each dancing aspect. I found these kind of videos also interesting.
I also thought about doing a video like that for Nct or maybe top 5 in different categories (including different dance styles like popping) in SM lol
@@facts_in_fiction that'd be great and interesting!!
💎💎💎In a recent episode with NA PD, the members agreed that THE 8 was the member who struggled the most with LEARNING the choreo. I found that so surprising, but The 8 agreed. I think for 13 members of vastly different heights and abilities to be as synchronized as they are on most dances, and to continue to produce challenging and FAST choreo - I'm just going to keep watching them in awe no matter how they are ranked! 💎💎💎
this was an awesome analysis and i love how you explain your reasoning/rationale, as someone who knows nothing about dance it makes it rly easy to digest! your videos are also excellent at isolating and showcasing specific examples that rly helps illustrate your commentary
i rly loved seeing vernon and seungkwans dancing get acknowledged! i was impressed with how much seungkwans improved like it goes to show u svt rly fosters everyone into becoming all rounders lol
it was v amusing to me how dino’s analysis was basically just “he just rly doesnt do anything badly” 😭 like yeah i think dancings as natural to him as walking or breathing atp he’s so attuned to it 😭 altho i think him experimenting with new styles can only help him become more excellent 🙌
SeungKwan in top5 is INSANE. But I’m happy for him. He does delivery his best energy and has very clear movements in every choreography
nobody perfect. but everyone together can make perfect whole performances.....
Really interesting analysis! I also think personal preference style plays into where we as Carats rank the boys. I love Vernon’s flow and vibe in general so I tend to gravitate to him when watching their choreo. But I was happy to see Dino get the acknowledgment he deserves. Having said that I also really love and appreciate Hoshi and his big dance presence.
i completely agree with the 1st. i've always thought that along w hoshi, dino is a main dancer. hoshi is an excellent dancer, as mentioned in the video, he has this eye-catching technique which makes people think that he is the best at one look. he dances with a lot of power. he reminds me of a girl from my dance class, she isnt the best dancer yet shes the most eye catching one. while dino, i'd say its the way he emphasizes every move. from powerful to soft. he expresses the steps so well and make them lively. i'm not saying hoshi doesn't make the dance lively.
heres the difference: hoshi focuses on the DANCE/MOVES while dancing BUT dino focuses on how to DELIVER the moves. its hard to explain, english is not my first language sorryy!
IMO, all SVT's members are good dancers, no one is bad in dancing. All the members are talented and they shine in their own way.
No cz the least best (bcz no one is worst) can easily outdance some of the main dancers out there like
@@Hellokitty_391Please tell me who the main dancers the worst dancer in 17 is outdancing? People love to over hype their faves
If you ever have time and are looking for a group to rank I would suggest &TEAM ! Despite there not being a whole lot of material out there since they debuted just one year ago they have a strong dance line and it would be interesting to see your ranking of them
See you guys in 3 more years when Seungkwan becomes Seventeen’s best dancer.
Cool video! A bit long, I could watch this comfortably on 2x speed, but I thoroughly enjoyed the informatics as someone who knows nothing about dance xD
The8 is both a breaking and contemporary dancer so everything makes sense
I just can't accept Jun's ranking. I understand his injury limits him sometimes but IMO he's one of the most fluid and soft while at the same time powerful dancers of the group. His movements are just so easy on the eyes I could watch him dance for hours. I'm pretty sure that's why a lot of people love center Jun.
i knew the8 dancing was very special but your analysis made it so much more clear!! just watching the performance unit choreos and also the contemporary videos his technique skill and also style is something no other members possess clear ex: is in lilili yabbay i need a full video on that which is why i agree him and hoshi are interchangeable when looking at their weakness and strengths
I knew that Dino was gonna be first yay!!! Been watching him for years and his growth has amazed me😱And I’m not even a dancer☺️what a great video facts in fiction!!!!!🥳🥳🥳🥳Always delivering🫶🏽
This is a really great in-depth analysis!! You pointed out a lot of different details over the course of their career that a lot of dance analysis videos have missed. Loved the video ❤
For me Jun should take out of these ranks. I can't compare a injured person/dancer with a 100% healthy person/dancer. Is like compare bananas and apples.
When did he get injured
@@8luvbug As a child when he used to do martial arts
one of the things that drew me to Seventeen is how if you focus on watching each individual member, you can easily see their styles and where they're most comfortable, but when watching the performance as a whole, not a single person ever seems off, out of place, or in an incorrect shape. hell, they have two members with more than half a foot of height difference and neither one of them ever truly stands out in their shapes or timing even though they realistically SHOULD due to this, especially in split second fast move alterations.
personally, my favourite dancers are Woozi, Hoshi, and Dino, and I'm so happy to see Woozi recently dancing a lot more outside of just work than he used to, it really shows in more recent choreos. I always wonder what could've been for him as a dancer had he had more time to train dancing past their debut/early years, I personally think he could've been their best if not just under DIno. I definitely agree with your assessment of Dino & Hoshi, while Hoshi is the more entertaining performer, there's just an extra... calmness to Dino's even more explosive moves, like he's barely trying and still managing to shatter the earth. but in KPOP, Hoshi's style definitely works better in the scene, so I see why so many list him as the best
How am i supposed to stan other group when my standard is svt 😭
im so proud of the vocal group… they sing and dance very well. i love svt performances overall.
I really loved this analysis. The rankings were also quite justified to my liking, especially the Top3. My favourite dancer since the time I became a Carat has always been The8, his flow never fails to impress me and it's pretty obvious he's great, but I don't see as many people appreciating him (Maybe it's just me tho idk). I mean, the most I've heard is about Dino and Hoshi and then maybe Woozi, but yes, Dino definitely deserves the 1st place, he's worked a lot for that recognition and I'm so glad he's improved so much and is getting his well-earned recognition.
Another favourite of mine is ofcourse Jeonghan, I just love to watch him dance, but then again, it's such a pleasure seeing all 13 of them dance, it's so Feel-good, I can talk about it all day.
minghao definitely deserve1st,believe in your judgement
fellow flowy dance enjoyer, I see (bcs you like Jeonghan and The 8's dancing, same like me)! I think that's why they rank high in my list, because I prefer their style compared to others. They make it look easy. Rankings like this, regardless of whether people are dancers or not, are really subjective. One dancer can believe this is good while another believes another is good hahah
@@fiveh3340 I agree. It's a pretty subjective topic. And I'm glad to find another person who feels the same way about Jeonghan and Minghao's dancing style.
I remember carat as a quite kind fandom, hope this will be your experience ^^
as a carat i love hearing your thoughts about seventeen! send you lots of love
I love watching these kinds of videos because I don't know the first thing about techniques in dancing, very interesting to see a breakdown of their dancing from a more technical perspective
Wonderful video, was hooked from the beginning
22 min felt like 10 min!
Thank you!
this was a super interesting video!! some placings def surprised me bc they're different from what I usually see but the explanations were v detailed and I could notice things I wouldn't if I was just watching dance practices on my own :) I would love to see a video on oneus!! especially since hwanwoong used to train at pledis and seungkwan and dk praised his dancing skills
I find it so interesting when dancers talk about dancing because like... 99% of things you said in this video I wouldn't have caught if you hadn't pointed them out and even then a lot of the things were hard for me to really see with my untrained, non-dancer eyes :D
the image of dino as a locker is SO GOOD i need him to get into some misdirection steps
Now people seeing what I see in Seungkwan. Hes not just your funny member. He is really good at singing and dancing.
Performers/dancers on koko3op also almost immediately noticed The8 first instead of hoshi, that always seemed interesting to me.
ahhh i was curious to see how svt rank as dancers and it made me so happy to see you've posted a ranking, your opinions are always so well thought-out and unbiased!
as a new dancer (finally got the yes from my doctor!!) i wasn't sure if my observations were going to be "objective" i guess, but overall this fully matches what i thought too? dino is def #1 for me, and hoshi and minghao are interchangeable (depends on the choreo i'd say). i hadn't realised how good seungkwan is until now, but your analysis was very enlightening!! he really is exceptionally good for someone who isn't part of the dance line (as most of svt tbh, but seungkwan is the most remarkable to me, really shows he's learnt from dino)
also, i would also place joshua near the bottom, but funnily enough i LOVE his dance style, his use of groove esp in choreos like l&r is so fun to watch, and he really suits choreos like thanks even if he's not the best technically. i guess his stage presence helps but he's very satisfying to watch for me :]
amazing video!!
I really appreciate your expertise breaking down every dancer
i came back here to check the comments section to see more opinions ... Why is it that carats always like to discredit Seungkwan and Dino? Why whenever i see a vid praising those two someone gotta mention other members and say they are better?? Why do carats not admit they improved and is it rlly that hard to agree that Dino deserves that 1st place and seungkwan 5th??? Shit like this always makes me hate carats... as a Boochan bias i always have to watch my biases being disrespected and underappreciated by their own fandom and it fucking sucks as soon as it’s time to praise y’all’s faves Seungkwan and Dino always come first in members to put down in order to praise ur biases…
I mean, even you said it yourself that they're your biases... everyone will defend their bias. As long as they say it respectfully, then I don't mind. But you're right, some of them didn't say it respectfully here. HOWEVER I've also seen the same case for Dino fans discrediting Hoshi, etc too. Just because a small portion does it, it doesn't mean everyone does it
(btw I am totally in the opinion that Dino should be first. but I can see, that if Hoshi was ranked first in this, some Dino fans will do just what some Hoshi fans are doing rn)
@@fiveh3340 yes although they are my biases that doesnt mean that I’ll agree they should be top 3 in everything for example I saw someone say Dino is above Wonwoo in rap and I didn’t agree . But some fans under this comment section are rlly rude
@@Teeeeooo that's true! Saying "I prefer Hoshi, but it's just my opinion" is different than "No way Hoshi is better!"
I wish people expressed their opinions better
@@fiveh3340 exactly
as a fellow boochan biased same same same
Me shrieking when I realized Vernon was 6th but then doing the Maths and realizing that I agree with the 5 other members ranked above him 😔😔
Also, if you could, leave the longer explanations on screen a tad longer, then I could read without having to pause (which flows nicely with your soundtrack ^^)
Yes, I noticed that too 😅
I've actually been waiting for this video because I really wanted an analysis of seventeen's dancing styles.
I'll admite I was shocked for a few of them. I really enjoy watching Jeonghan dance (i guess not as much for earlier videos because i saw what you meant in terms of his dynamic moves). So I was genuinely surprised Jeonghan was as low as he was.
Jun's ranking truly shocked me, I didn't expect that at all tbh. I do see what you pointed out and I think it makes sense. As someone who is Jun biased and loves his dancing, I can recognize that there are details I would miss as a non-dancer that affect his overall technique.
Vernon shocked me in a pleasant way! I've always recognized he was a good dancer but never recognized that he was as good as you ranked him here. His relaxed style matches his personality and he is very pleasing to watch so I was happy to see him so high. Seungkwan's ranking also made me incredibly happy.
Obviously when you're ranking 13 people, everyone has to be somewhere in the rank. can't be too upset when not everyone can be 1st or 2nd.
Thank you so much for the analysis and allowing me to appreciate Seventeen's dancing even more. Considering how different they all are from each other, it truly is phenomenal how synced Svt are in their choreos.
I had asked for this on a separate video and ahhh thank you so much! I love how detailed you are and look at different techniques from different lenses. Was I surprised by this ranking? Yes, but I get why you ranked them the way you did. Much love
PS: the "wait" was worth it (hehe)
I’m surprised dk wasn’t higher as although he’s not in the performance unit he’s often used for dance projects and stuff alongside the performance unit. Maybe it’s more his stage presence because my eyes really follow him but idk much about techniques
The 5-8 places are a bit interchangeable depending on the choreo, a couple of years ago I probably would've put Dk higher
I always saw Dino in second when it comes to Seventeen Dance Ranking.. He is really a great dancer ❤
i expected joshua to be the last in ranking tbh, i didnt notice how much wonwoo lacks in fluidity 🤧 i really aprecciate your work!!!
and i think that hoshi makes the movements highly incomprehensibles, specifcly in dances with many quick figures, i dont know if thats a good habit or not, but i avoid following hoshi's dances when it comes learning seventeen's choreos 😅
Which member do you think is the best to learn svt's choreographies from?
I also expected Joshua to come last then Wonwoo, maybe because Joshua's bad habits while dancing are more noticeable? And Wonwoo is pretty darn good at some certain types of dancing
@@fifihaven i'll go with dokeyom, dino, jeonghan or seungkwan, and sometimes avoid hoshi, seungcheol and woozi because their movements are not that clear
@@leeann7291 yesss, joshua has always this neck and shoulder tension and cant control very well those parts of his body
@@dokyme7Ah, that makes sense. I also notice that Seungkwan's dance style is pretty similar to Dino's, probably because he used to learn a lot of basic dance moves from Dino, if we take a look at their predebut clips.
I learn so much with your analysis. Thank you.
What a respectful and interesting analysis!