Suns, Lots of talent but no DOGS, no FIGHT everybody laid back. Both on Team, Front Office, and Coaching Staff. They don't win games that they should win!!
For how the Nurk situation is playing out? Yeah, it could be better but elsewhere he’s actually tried to do what he can with this very thin roster.. at least he’s tried to mix things up.
The blame has always been on James Jones and his vision. He likes mentally weak players that can shoot the 3. How JJ has survived so long I'll never know.
Right. I agree 80%for some different reasons though. Biggest being. We fired vogal for a 1st round sweep He had a better record at this point with less talent (depth) And you really can't blame injuries other than miss management of minutes. Of course how can you load manage say Beal when you don't have the depth. Not proper roster make up to fit book and kd playing style..
Coach Bud has set down Nurkic and has Beal coming off the bench. Something Vogel wouldn’t do. We can’t win with three shooters who need the ball and without a solid, rebounding, low post four. Nasty Nick is helping but he’s not enough. Nasty kind reminds me of Mark West.
Yeah Bud is no different from Frank. He doesn't have a clue and I'm tired of an offense based on shooting low percentage 3s. When guys are hot it's fine but guys aren't always gonna be hot and unless you find another way to win games your hand cuffed to this low percentage offense that's boring as hell to watch.
Well given vocal has a better record at this point with less. It's say 80% his fault can't exactly control injuries. Everything else is on him for most part.
NONE! I was never a fan of Frank Vogel. However The blame of this team is still on the ownership. Ishbia right now don't care how much money he can throw around. This team SUCKS! Ishbia dismantled a Championship Roster for what we are seeing. We have old players that think they are GOATS and to be honest they are now HAS BEENS and since we have no draft picks the poison of this ownership is going to sting for a long time. It took almost a decade for Sarver to fix the Suns when he took over. As an Arizona fan "here we go again".
@@BaerTheBlader I am not blaming players or coaches in my assessment of what is going on. KD maybe playing well but he will never be the same quality player he was when he was in Seattle, OKC, Golden State. He is part of the Aging veterans and the new kids are going to be taking over soon. A whole new set of superstars will be emerging soon. During all this time PHX has given away their picks till 2031 to win now and this team is middle of the road at best right now. the 8-1 start this season looks like a fluke at this point.
100 percent on Bud. He has no intensity, and so the team has none as well. He doesn't adjust lineups the way that he should and decides not to play Bol or others who deserve playing time. So tired of people letting him and ishbia off the hook. There's too much talent on this team with his terrible coaching. Doesn't matter how much money Ishbia has, he can't buy a championship because it doesn't work that way. The front office, along with the terrible coaching, is not helping the situation. And the way they've handled the Beal and Nurkic situation has been a bunch of nonsense.
I will tell you from his opening press conference I knew Bud didn't have a clue on how to capitalize on the talent of this team. Bud's offense is spread the floor and shoot 3s . He doesn't know how to maximize KD or Booker or Beal. I thought at that opening press conference he was going to talk about how he was going to play those guys off of one another to maximize their offensive output. But all he could come up with was that he was gonna coach em hard. I said to myself this guy is as clueless if not more clueless than Vogel. Ishbia just doesn't want to lose his 55 million he paid this guy. Maybe if he hadn't lost that money from Vogels contract ishbia would have already sent Bud packing. But This whole keeping bud thing is ishbia not wanting to lose another 55 million. That's all it is. He has a better team than last year. He has a point guard. He has more youth. But he has a coach whose offense is spread the floor and shoot 3s. You don't win off of shooting a low percentage shot most of the time. When we got Richards he had a perfect guy to implement pick and roll with in the offense. But Bud isn't about variation in the offense. He's about spread the floor and shoot threes and then beyond that to play randomly without a plan. The guy wasn't even a high school star basketball player let alone college or pro. That's why he has no clue. And he doesn't care because he's getting rewarded for one gifted championship to make Giannis the face of the league. What is worse is the guy has low energy It seems like all this guy cares about is getting paid. If he doesn't win so be it and if he gets fired so be it. To him he's getting paid. And the only reason noone else in this organization wants to talk about the real problem being the coach is because their afraid of telling the owner he needs to pay more money for another coach. But firing this coach clearly has to happen and if not then the suns need to be ready to lose Durant after this season when he's been there best player on the team and still one of the very best in the league
The coach can take some of the blame, but the one who constructed this roster, erased our draft flexibility for the next decade and is still choosing to blindly follow the same destructive pattern( james jones) needed to be removed several seasons ago. It's clear ishbia is totally clueless about assembling a basketball team and he's only the money helping complete jones trades. Lastly, but still an important factor is booker and his ego forcing the " point- book" failure on the team. When we were winning early in the season it was with tyus jones running the offense and setting up booker, beal and durant to score. I honestly think the season is lost and it's less budenholzer's effect on the team rather than the soft, lazy core of players we've had the padt several seasons. They've known just like everyone else what the expectation has been for last season and this season. An example has to be made to hold james accountable for constructing this failed roster and and of the players that failed to compete or care. Time to flush the toilet, spray to get rid of this stink and start over by construct a new team of ruthless, physical defensive minded players that will make teams actually fear coming to the valley to play the suns.
@ idk man Kevin gets his but it doesn’t translate to winning. He doesn’t wanna take more 3s, or get to the line. Hes going to do what he wants…which isn’t good.
Jimmy Butler would change everything if the Suns get him he will be a perfect fit.👏🏀
someone needs to tell Book he's option 2 and kd 1. The suns dont have a chance to win games when they put KD on corner watching Booker play hero.
Suns, Lots of talent but no DOGS, no FIGHT everybody laid back. Both on Team, Front Office, and Coaching Staff. They don't win games that they should win!!
We need to steal the rockets coach. Anyone that yells at LeFlop like he does. I want him as my coach.
For how the Nurk situation is playing out? Yeah, it could be better but elsewhere he’s actually tried to do what he can with this very thin roster.. at least he’s tried to mix things up.
At the end of the game the Suns stopped playing like a team and started clearing out for one player to take a shot. Bad couching.
3 coaches in 3 seasons and blaming bud now
Bring in butler and Dillon brooks
The blame has always been on James Jones and his vision. He likes mentally weak players that can shoot the 3. How JJ has survived so long I'll never know.
Its been the same sh** for 3 years that's enough of blaming coaches
As much as was given to Frank.
He and his repeated statement each game is driving me crazy. Someone has to keep him accountable. This is the reason Giannis fired his ass.
The talent is way better than 2 years ago- Allen, Beal, Royce, Dunn etc. We were better with Ayton
Bud should play nurkic!!!!!!
About 80% of it. We need more intensity every game, we keep blowing leads, improper timeouts, the whole Nurkic situation, we haven't beat good teams
Right. I agree 80%for some different reasons though.
Biggest being.
We fired vogal for a 1st round sweep
He had a better record at this point with less talent (depth)
And you really can't blame injuries other than miss management of minutes. Of course how can you load manage say Beal when you don't have the depth. Not proper roster make up to fit book and kd playing style..
Coach Bud has set down Nurkic and has Beal coming off the bench. Something Vogel wouldn’t do. We can’t win with three shooters who need the ball and without a solid, rebounding, low post four. Nasty Nick is helping but he’s not enough. Nasty kind reminds me of Mark West.
Here we go another coach you guys try to blame instead of acknowledging that this team is not good
Coach Bud isn't worth a Damn, Should've kept Frank.
Yeah Bud is no different from Frank. He doesn't have a clue and I'm tired of an offense based on shooting low percentage 3s. When guys are hot it's fine but guys aren't always gonna be hot and unless you find another way to win games your hand cuffed to this low percentage offense that's boring as hell to watch.
Coach Bud will ultimately get the blame but he had nothing to do with bringing in 3 $50 million shooting guards and no defense or size
Well given vocal has a better record at this point with less. It's say 80% his fault can't exactly control injuries. Everything else is on him for most part.
NONE! I was never a fan of Frank Vogel. However The blame of this team is still on the ownership. Ishbia right now don't care how much money he can throw around. This team SUCKS! Ishbia dismantled a Championship Roster for what we are seeing. We have old players that think they are GOATS and to be honest they are now HAS BEENS and since we have no draft picks the poison of this ownership is going to sting for a long time. It took almost a decade for Sarver to fix the Suns when he took over. As an Arizona fan "here we go again".
Has been? KD is playing as well for the Suns as anyone could expect.
@@BaerTheBlader I am not blaming players or coaches in my assessment of what is going on. KD maybe playing well but he will never be the same quality player he was when he was in Seattle, OKC, Golden State. He is part of the Aging veterans and the new kids are going to be taking over soon. A whole new set of superstars will be emerging soon.
During all this time PHX has given away their picks till 2031 to win now and this team is middle of the road at best right now. the 8-1 start this season looks like a fluke at this point.
100 percent on Bud. He has no intensity, and so the team has none as well. He doesn't adjust lineups the way that he should and decides not to play Bol or others who deserve playing time. So tired of people letting him and ishbia off the hook. There's too much talent on this team with his terrible coaching. Doesn't matter how much money Ishbia has, he can't buy a championship because it doesn't work that way. The front office, along with the terrible coaching, is not helping the situation. And the way they've handled the Beal and Nurkic situation has been a bunch of nonsense.
I will tell you from his opening press conference I knew Bud didn't have a clue on how to capitalize on the talent of this team. Bud's offense is spread the floor and shoot 3s . He doesn't know how to maximize KD or Booker or Beal. I thought at that opening press conference he was going to talk about how he was going to play those guys off of one another to maximize their offensive output. But all he could come up with was that he was gonna coach em hard. I said to myself this guy is as clueless if not more clueless than Vogel.
Ishbia just doesn't want to lose his 55 million he paid this guy. Maybe if he hadn't lost that money from Vogels contract ishbia would have already sent Bud packing. But This whole keeping bud thing is ishbia not wanting to lose another 55 million. That's all it is. He has a better team than last year. He has a point guard. He has more youth. But he has a coach whose offense is spread the floor and shoot 3s. You don't win off of shooting a low percentage shot most of the time.
When we got Richards he had a perfect guy to implement pick and roll with in the offense. But Bud isn't about variation in the offense. He's about spread the floor and shoot threes and then beyond that to play randomly without a plan. The guy wasn't even a high school star basketball player let alone college or pro. That's why he has no clue. And he doesn't care because he's getting rewarded for one gifted championship to make Giannis the face of the league.
What is worse is the guy has low energy
It seems like all this guy cares about is getting paid. If he doesn't win so be it and if he gets fired so be it. To him he's getting paid. And the only reason noone else in this organization wants to talk about the real problem being the coach is because their afraid of telling the owner he needs to pay more money for another coach. But firing this coach clearly has to happen and if not then the suns need to be ready to lose Durant after this season when he's been there best player on the team and still one of the very best in the league
@MrNashtyone Well said 👏 👍
Blame the coach, blame the Manager who made this roster and believing that Booker can save this garbage team instead of KD..
Maybe the SUNS should get Patrick Beverly lol
The coach can take some of the blame, but the one who constructed this roster, erased our draft flexibility for the next decade and is still choosing to blindly follow the same destructive pattern( james jones) needed to be removed several seasons ago.
It's clear ishbia is totally clueless about assembling a basketball team and he's only the money helping complete jones trades.
Lastly, but still an important factor is booker and his ego forcing the " point- book" failure on the team.
When we were winning early in the season it was with tyus jones running the offense and setting up booker, beal and durant to score.
I honestly think the season is lost and it's less budenholzer's effect on the team rather than the soft, lazy core of players we've had the padt several seasons. They've known just like everyone else what the expectation has been for last season and this season.
An example has to be made to hold james accountable for constructing this failed roster and and of the players that failed to compete or care. Time to flush the toilet, spray to get rid of this stink and start over by construct a new team of ruthless, physical defensive minded players that will make teams actually fear coming to the valley to play the suns.
It’s the players. KD and Booker are too cool for school. They too comfortable losing
No, only KD played consistently on both offense and defense, it was Booker who always ball hogging and playing hero ball
@ idk man Kevin gets his but it doesn’t translate to winning. He doesn’t wanna take more 3s, or get to the line. Hes going to do what he wants…which isn’t good.
@johnnyraylopez9182 i feel him, he really wanna win but his stupid teammate doesnt..