There's Something about TOG II | The Tank Museum
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2020
- A special feature from TANKFEST Online about the biggest and heaviest vehicle in The Tank Museum's entire collection - TOG II. Nowadays it's one of the Museum's most popular exhibits, yet it was a complete and total failure! Join The Tank Museum's Director Richard Smith as he runs you through the TOG story. If you missed TANKFEST Online, or want to relive it - you can watch it all again for FREE!
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TOG II is a beautiful ship.
Give it floats, give it propeller and boom; the sexiest amphibious craft ever made.
if TOG was ship it would be a longboat
@@Puffin_777seal it and make it waterproof, then it can cross the channel on the seafloor. A TOGmarine.
Yes
@@cleanerben9636 We all live in a yellow TOGmarine
A yellow TOGmarine
A yellow TOGmarine
The Bovington tank museum the only tank museum who can get away with having a battleship on display
TWO batleships on display, Little Willy is Navy blue as well.
*Sad Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus noises*
@@voiceofraisin3778 dont forget the A1E1 Independant
TOG is an early war Maus.
TOGII was early Maus Hunter
Unfortunately Maus never got off the ground and thus TOG never got the final upgrade to 105mm HESH that would represent the ultimate in British Engineering excellence. That and the catapult launched spitfire on the back.
idk kubinka does have the other land battleship the maus.....
The Tank Museum were very kind in reaching out to me for my part in this video and I appreciated the opportunity to dispel some of the misinformation, inaccurate comments and meming on why the tank looks the way it does. To say it is a failure is not correct - it exceeded the criteria it had to be built to.
Better than the Churchill or tiger is a stretch though mate
@@lucaswatson1913 Actually, I think you can make a case that it was better than the Churchill - or at least the early versions. Tiger is stretching credibility - TOG II performed reliably in testing but never had to stand up to the rigors of service use and there's no particular reason to assume it would be reliable in that context. Tigers worked perfectly at Kummersdorf too...
Matt Bowden Only, how are you gonna ship a vehicle like that?
@@mattbowden4996 I'm not so sure it's cut and dried myself, if TOG 2 is better than a Churchill and the Churchill successfully stood against the Tiger in action there is a case for saying it might have done better than you'd think. In my opinion if a Tiger commander knew he couldn't stand against a Tog he'd just run away and that would be the end of that fight, your not chasing anyone down in a Tog.
An idea for a possible Tank Museum fundraiser: See if Tamiya (or another model company) would be interested in producing a 1/35 scale TOG II with an included set of figures of David Fletcher, David Willey and Richard Smith so modelers can create Tank Chat dioramas.
That’s fricking brilliant!
Good idea but it might work out best for all if there’s a movie with TOGs in it first.
I think a model of David Fletcher's moustache would suffice
Instant buy!
I've seen pictures online in which someone modeled Nouvion from the series _'Allo 'Allo!_ in miniature. Now Lieutenant Gruber genuinely has a little tank.
TOG designers could never know their tank would finally go to war as computer coding controlled by noobs
"I was going to tell a joke about the TOG, but it's too long."
Yes
@Mr. Kelowna Sherman tanks with T 34 were the most useful tanks in WW2.
@Mr. Kelowna ok I II..
*TOG, buts it’s too long.*
Moved it using washing up liquid... Something about that seems so wonderfully British.
Reminds me of my finger that gut stuck in a glass bottle using soap as lubricant
Must've made the tracks GLEAM afterwards. Also... what an interesting way to move a tank "We can't move it normally." "Three words: Washing-up liquid."
Team all get it inside and thats when the trouble starts.
Mike "How we going to get it over to the corner now, this thing is 70 tons!"
Geoff "What if we use wooden rollers like the egyptians"
Fred "No, It'll shatter them like toothpicks and we cant lift it anyway"
Then the camera focuses on Tim the quiet unassuming historian sitting in the corner, He looks up with a moment of inspiration on his face "Guys, I thing I've got an idea"...
Cut to a dramatic music montage of them raiding the local shops of all the washing up liquid, Mike pushing the trolley as Geoff and Fred clear the shelves., They roll up to the musuem with a fully laden landrover defender and open the back to reveal the liquid citrus fresh gold.
Next they're all standing in a line in the shop, They give a knowing look to one another and turn thier bottles upside down pouring it on the floor, Cut to them reaching in the back of a land rover for yet more bottles again and again.
One of them throws an empty bottle aside, The camera follows to show it landing on a mounting pile of empty bottles, Then a face shot of Fred scrubbing the floor with a broom to evenly coat it.
Mike guides in the CRARRV recovery vehicle driven by Geoff, Fred pats Tim on the back and says "I think this might just work"... Tim replies "It has to work".
The final moment, Geoff driving the CRARRV, Tim in front of TOG, Mike at the back both checking for wall clearance and Fred stood like ceaser on top of the CRARRV directing.
A few tense moments go by as the TOG slides slowly sideways inch by inch, Eventually the noise stops and all breathe a sigh of relief as the camera moves up to show the TOG in its place.
[fade to black]
Think of the screeching lol
"Look at how silly the Germans were, building a giant tank like the Maus! Clearly they had no understanding of the realities of the war on the ground."
The Old Gang: *sweating nervously*
@gofa curself Actually Maus worked surprisingly well off road. It was a completely impractical weapon of war, but as an engineering exercise it was quite successful.
@gofa curself yea I'm pretty sure I'm the first test drive of the Maus it got stuck in the ground
@gofa curself The issue with the Maus wasn't it's off road capability, but actually its on road capability.
@@Rentedreaper25 You are quite right, because the driver mistakenly took it into a swampy part. It was actually very good at extricating itself from mud, but this was too deep...
Ah the 'Maus' AKA 'Hitlers ego #29' ... yes he had many.
Only ship that Yamato is afraid to diss
Oh no she did diss the TOG, why do you think she’s at the bottom of the sea?
What about the uss johnston?
What about USS IOWA, USS ENTERPRISE
Or the Essex class carriers?
@@alchemist6819 They did not *dare* to diss the TOG II.
@@christofferthorsson7657 the johnston may be a legendary ship, but has nothing on the tog
It's finally in War Thunder
"When I grow up, I wanna be a Tog 2"
- King Tiger
They need to make this magnificent beast move again. Seeing this move at tank fest would be a dream come true.
It would run on pure Twinning‘s earl grey tea
I think it would be easier to just move the planet under it.
Internally its in a very poor condition and as much as I love the TOG the costs of doing so are going to be very high and the money would be better used restoring some of their other fleet.
I do like that David's response concerning that question included "we'd need to expand the arena".
The Royal Navy did a great job making TOG.
The Mighty Jingles must have had a word then. 😉😊
It was not a navy project.
Indeed, funny how they forgot to mention how fast this thing went in the water.😁
@@andrewhills6771 Sorry, but woosh 🚀
I suspect he is referring to the meme of it looking and weighing the same as a battleship
I realise you wrote a book on it so thanks for that. Very little else out there.
*_Coming to a cinema near you:_*
_The Adventures of 2 the TOG and Semple the Bob!_
~~~~Beeest frieeends for eveeer~~~~
Shut up and take my money!
@Mr_BigCookie You need to make this happen.
If there was a statistic for 'most hugged tank at the tank museum' you know the TOG II would be the winner!
Pricie Gaming tog loves everyone
I could imagine a good lighthearted World War II movie about the TOG tank. Maybe the old gang could’ve been frustrated by the rejection of their design and through rich and powerful contacts get a few made in the good old USA, get some volunteer crews from the empire and allies with some great accents and join the fight in north Africa. Of course it would all have to be computer generated along with some really good engine sounds, maybe be a bit of extra smoke, maybe exaggerate power of the gun and maybe also include some terrible mechanical sounds such as the sound of un lubricated metal on metal when the turret rotates along with some dammed fine British terminology of the day. I suppose there could be some embarrassing scenes in the beginning before they learn how to use them but they could save the day in the end. It doesn’t have to be too believable for people who know about tanks.
Fury 2: The TOG Awakens
Kellys Heros, but with TOGs
It should have been a louie du funes movie. Tog 2 washing up on st. Tropez beaches lol.
Or am i an old fart and nobody knows these old movies anymore?
It could be a sort of prequel to Wild Geese or the Eagle has Landed. With the project led by a David Niven esque character. In the final scene it would take on 30 King Tigers single handedly. Completely destroying them effortlessly. Before running over Heinz Guderians left foot. Causing him to curse loudly, murmur deliriously about British inventions and limp away pitiously. I for one would relish such a movie.
@@alamore5084 yeah.
You really need to get that tank running, can you imagine the amount of people who would go to see it at tankfest. Start a go-fund-me.
Absolutely, this is what the world needs.
I’m not sure they’d have room in their arena to turn it around. It’d go forwards, try to turn and knock over the stands, then slowly back away trying to make itself look small.
@@Tarnfalk It turns very easily and was remarked following its trials as being very easy and comfortable to drive so turning is not a problem, especially as it can neutral turn with ease. The real issue is the terrible state of her inside. She was in the open for decades and she is rotten inside from water getting in.
yes, get the tog working, and have it become your star attraction, and have the tiger for the size comparison
@@electrohalo8798 well they perform similarish roles but had very different criteria to be built to.
TOG never panics, TOG always calmly carries on. - TOG
This is essential. We need the TOG back in running condition. What other nation can say they have a working land battleship?
TOG is love. TOG is life. Fund TOG today.
yes, we need to make this happen
The French. Have you seen the Char 2C? 70 tons, 30 feet long, 13 feet high and 9 feet wide. In service for 20 years. Honestly I'm surprised it was never added to WoT. Sadly they didnt survive.
darthrex354 I think he mean a “currently working” land battleship.
Aside from anything else, we as a nation will sleep more soundly. Safe in the knowledge our Isles are protected by Tog 2.
I laughed when I saw them moving the TOG sideways in a pool of soapy water. Long ago in the shop I worked at, we had a Caterpillar D-8 sitting in a bay we needed for something else. Well, we had removed the injectors and sent them out for cleaning, so we tried to push it sideways using a D-4. It struggled and the concrete floor started to be gouged. So my boss thought, "hey, lets throw some floor soap under it". So we did and we pushed it again with the D-4 and it slid very nicely. It worked and it was a bonus that the bay also had the cleanest floor in the shop!
"It got where it is now by means of a Chieftain armoured recovery vehicle and a lot of washing up liquid"
I kekked
Sap is actually used quite often to help move large objects. The Cape Hatteras lighthouse in the US was moved back from the shoreline in 1999 using Ivory soap to lubricate the tracks placed under it (but no armoured recovery vehicles).
Got to love the footage of the gentleman casually sitting in the open side door if the tank as it goes through its paces.
a TOG fridge magnet is likely so heavy, it just slides down the front of the fridge to the floor.
A TOG fridge magnet becomes the fridge itself.
When a piece of technology like this is described as "a failure" I wonder if there is not a good deal of merit in doing a good job of designing a given concept piece and then discovering that the concept doesnt work as you hoped ---------Is that failure? is it failure to be able to say"nope we tried that and it doesnt work as hoped and here is why"
(except it wasn't exactly a "failure")
Welcome to Togfest, here at The Tog Museum!
WHOM HAS SUMMONED THE ALMIGHTY TOG!?
WHO TF ARE YOU?
togchamp
The French: *Make the Char d'Assaut de Grand Modèle 2C / Char 2C.
The British: Hold my tea!
did they ever put the Char 2C in WoT?
@@danielkorladis7869 There was something very similar that had to be based on the Char 2C on a Halloween Event but the tank itself did not existed when I played the game. Maybe lately.
I utterly love my TOGII* in World of Tanks. Whenever playing it, I imagine TOG TALK LIKE THIS. It's fun. It's funny, it's amusing and wonderful. Tog is love. Tog is life. I went to Bovington a year or so ago and paid my homage to TOGII*. The fact it's right next to a children's playground seems absolutely perfect for Tog's character.
The TOG is the most refined of British tanks. It glides majestically over the ground smoothly enough not to rattle the chandelier in the formal dining room or slosh the tea out of the cups.
And you can dance a waltz in the fighting compartment
"Built to cross 16' trenches without bridging..."
On the other hand, if you take the turret off it is a bridge.
A bridge you can drive away in.
It's just so fun to play. And even after all this time, people are still so happy to see a TOG in a game. Hell I've seen whole teams of TOGs set up by Quickybaby
Some of nicknames gamers give to this machine are hilarious as well : XP Piñata, Landship, TOGboat, HotTOG, Train, Bus, HMS TOG, Royal Navy, TOGboggan, Whale, HMS Jingles, Land-whale, HMS Dank Meme, HMS Epic Meme, and by far my favourite, HMS Agility :D
I believe Bus is the name of the SU-14-2 already but I could be wrong
you missed out HMS pointless jingles one.
KV-2 snack
Hms meme
Richard's enthusiasm is infectious :)
Call me a hipster but I knew about TOG before the WoT devs were even born. Still an amazing vehicle to see in game.
Yeah because they said literally 0 people knew about it before WoT
A picture of my TOG II in Stormworks was shown in the last slide, gotta say, that is now one of my greatest achievements in life.
Richard is BACK! Wonderful. Keep it up
Restoring TOG would be a huge affair, get the swimming pool done, the upstairs ballroom, the kitchens, commander's quarters, rec room, the internal train, the collapsible aircraft landing pad, the ornamental gardens etc. The chandeliers alone would take years to get done !!! All jokes aside, TOG was known thanks to the book by Halas and Batchelor which has a small chapter on TOG.
😂
I wrote a specific book dedicated to nothing but TOG which I mention in the video at 5:30 or so.
Thanks Tank museum, wonderful video from you. Glad you kept TOG. Please do more videos on tank development in the UK between the wars.
He talks so enthousiastic :) Also, nice that Jingles said his love words. Everyone loves the TOG !
Me, before learning about the TOG program in detail: Oh, I love interwar tanks!
After learning when the TOG program actually happened: 1944? 1944?! That monstrous goon of a tank was obscelete in 1844!
Nice, I Love you for uploading this video.
I would one day love to get a 1:35 scale model of tog 2 but no one makes it....
The tourettes Gamer, check out E-Bay, there is someone doing resin TOG II models in various scales from 1/100 all the way up to 1/35, they ain’t cheap though.
Problem with that is a 1:35 TOG is basically two Fiat 'Unos welded together
mrjockt as much as I want one I really want to get a nice detailed plastic one as resin is a rather unpleasant material to work with. A few years ago an amazing model company called Meng made an amazing model of the a39 tortoise in 1:35 with the support of the tank museum and it would be awesome to see them do the tog 2 as well
@@thetourettesgamer8851 scratch build one. It's a perfect project, angular design, should be pretty straight forward using good quality plasticard.
Matthew Dobbs could have a go I suppose
Great video, great content, keep it up
Tog II, is a magnificent land battleship.
Team all get it inside and thats when the trouble starts.
Mike "How we going to get it over to the corner now, this thing is 70 tons!"
Geoff "What if we use wooden rollers like the egyptians"
Fred "No, It'll shatter them like toothpicks and we cant lift it anyway"
Then the camera focuses on Tim the quiet unassuming historian sitting in the corner, He looks up with a moment of inspiration on his face "Guys, I thing I've got an idea"...
Cut to a dramatic music montage of them raiding the local shops of all the washing up liquid, Mike pushing the trolley as Geoff and Fred clear the shelves., They roll up to the musuem with a fully laden landrover defender and open the back to reveal the liquid citrus fresh gold.
Next they're all standing in a line in the shop, They give a knowing look to one another and turn thier bottles upside down pouring it on the floor, Cut to them reaching in the back of a land rover for yet more bottles again and again.
One of them throws an empty bottle aside, The camera follows to show it landing on a mounting pile of empty bottles, Then a face shot of Fred scrubbing the floor with a broom to evenly coat it.
Mike guides in the CRARRV recovery vehicle driven by Geoff, Fred pats Tim on the back and says "I think this might just work"... Tim replies "It has to work".
The final moment, Geoff driving the CRARRV, Tim in front of TOG, Mike at the back both checking for wall clearance and Fred stood like ceaser on top of the CRARRV directing.
A few tense moments go by as the TOG slides slowly sideways inch by inch, Eventually the noise stops and all breathe a sigh of relief as the camera moves up to show the TOG in its place.
[fade to black]
I never liked World of tanks but I must thank it for bringing all of the TOG 2 content to youtube. It stands as my favorite tank through design philosophy.
TOG is absolutely ridiculous, that is why I love it
Thank you the mighty jingles for this. Tog 2 really is a party tank!!!
Nice collaboration with The Mighty Jingles!
Beautiful backdrop!
I love the TOG II ! I love it because I got my 2nd Mark on my VK3001D Harvesting the TOG II during free rental week when everyone was driving them!
Been TOG'n since 2012. TOG is love.
2:03 Look at how small the KV1 looks next to it! The KV1's huge and it's just dwarfed by that thing XD
I have a personal recollection that in the 1960's TOG ll was on an elevated plinth, sloping rewards, at what was then the front entrance to the museum. At that time there were also some, WW 1, British, exhibits displayed likewise, in the open air! Cannot, currently access the photographic evidence I believe I possess. But I think the line up I am refereeing to featured on a Tank Museum published postcard or the front cover of a Tank Museum Guide of the era.
I am currently building the Cobi TOG and even in that form it is crazy! Much bigger and longer than everything else!
"I wasn't even aware that the tank existed until it was introduced into the game"
Same for me, but the game was Panzermadels
I just want to know whose idea it was to put a bloody massive children’s play area next to the TOG II*, obscuring the view of the thing and annoying whoever comes to see it with the sound of screaming children and babies?
TOG also good with children!
To quote another channel "ITS SOOOOO BRITISH!"
It looks very important.
A tea making station for every crew member.
I'm sure I've seen this before and then realised it's in the Tank Fest 2020 video. 😂
Caveman - "Ug!"
Togman - "TOGgerwogger!"
We need to make a fundraiser to get this thing running
Great to see the Mighty Jingles with his infectious laugh.
I do remember when it came out in WoT and I did buy it. since at the time there where very few British premium vehicles to help train your tank crews in and I played my first match. Got the Crap shot out of me, but I still manged to do good enough to begin to like the TOG2 and it is still one of my favorite tanks after the Churchill to this day. Even if i have stopped playing WoT.
Uncle Jingles will be proud!
Ouh well i didnt know that tog 2 is so f*cking huge
I imagine that there are some people coming at the museum just to bow and worship the glorious TOG.
Hearing how the TOG would have been scrapped without the tank museum only makes me wonder how it would have looked if they hadn't scrapped the E-100 hull :(
I love my TOG. It also makes a great roadblock for bridges
Jingles is the key to all of this. If we can get Jingles working, cause he is a funnier character then we’ve had before
That was fun. :)
07:58 The Turret looks like "Chappie" to me!
Nothing better than trying to get 15 vs 15 TOGII in one game pure fun, Tog is party tank!
:) thank you
Would love to see someone build a running TOG replica.
That would probably be the more practical way of having a running TOG. Even though the original is in better shape than the Maus, its still a very huge undertaking to restore the TOG.
I love Tog II
Have you ever considered doing a Kickstarter to get it restored the running order
There is something a bit classic Ealing comedy about this tank and its wonderfully absurd brethren: I’m picturing a hybrid of The Titfield Thunderbolt and Carry On, Sergeant, with a a sprinkling of The Man In The White Suit. Anyone else?????
Gotta shoehorn in the pipe-smacking scene from The Ladykillers too - perhaps an interior shot, whacking the fuel lines to get the air out?
The Tanks of TOG is out of print. Could the Museum reprint it as it has with Mr. Fletcher's books?
For some reason I just love the look of its Tracks....I just think its Tracks look neat
The Tog II just makes me smile
I see TOG. I click. Simples *squeak*
It may never have seen battle but so much that was developed with this tank DID see battle. She's a jem!
Same as Jingles, I had never even heard a whisper about the vehicle before World of Tanks brought it into the game. Since then, I have read plenty of material on the history of the vehicle, and for me, it's such a delightfully absurd tank, truly a product of ideas born from a bygone era by the time they were being implemented, while at the same time doing an admirable job of meeting the requirements set before it. Agai, dated requirements granted, but it's impressive all the same.
What an utterly wonderful video :-). But: come on! Surely you can put a gang together at the Tank Museum to get TOG back to running order? Lol. I did have a look inside: it wouldn't be a boring project ;-). All hail mighty TOG! About that merch....
Good heavens, fancy not knowing TOG II exists. The sheer bulk of the beast is impressive. A real steam punk tank.
I would love to one day see the TOG come back to life at a tank fest.
It's probably the best modern art project made in WW2
They say that Britain never kept any of their battleships... well that was a lie.
I went and bought the Hot TOG shirt. I needed it for reasons.
Please do something on the Bob Semple Tank!!
Thanks be to the (TOGII)....From Tank country....Kentucky USA...!
I don't want a t-shirt, I want a TOG II !! ❤️🥳
So the TOG II is WoT's Urbanmech. Awesome!
A true landship!
It's weird, because I was letting an ad for the game drift by, until I could hit the 'skip ad' button (I have zero interest in games of any kind), and I saw what I thought was the TOG II, and thought: "It couldn't be. It's far too obscure to be in a game." How wrong I was! I've always liked it - there is something very pleasing about it's shape and dimensions - it would be quite easy to make a model of one from LEGO, for instance. I do wonder what Messrs. Tritton, Ricardo, et al., would have thought of their failed project now being seen as very cool - so cool it has become something of a pop culture icon?
Oh, and did it, at some point, have the hull gun from a French Char B2 (a guilty pleasure tank of mine) mounted on it, or is that me seeing things?
Churchill : wouldn't it be nice if you can fit a tea table in a tank...
The museum loves the TOG so much they store old chairs, tables, and other broken crap at the back of it and relegate it to a corner that has almost no details on the vehicle and has certainly never been found by the cleaners.
Also I was on tankfest online.
It would be nice to get it running again.
@7:33.... "Very unique". Why I have unending respect for historian's and am exasperated by 'historical games' and thoes who think RUclips is a profession.... all summed up in two words.
Fun video mind.