Why you should STOP using Steam...
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- In light of the recent events of the past few years from Ubisoft taking away peoples games, EAs DRM practices, Microsoft not letting people play singleplayer games if they're offline, etc I decided to make this video.
The lack of actual ownership and independence from distribution platforms in gaming disturbs me and I see it setting a very bad situation going forward which is why I've stopped buying games on Steam and switched to GOG.
GOG is a DRM free platform that used to only have older games but now has alot of newer titles like Wolfenstein, Elder Scrolls, Stalker 2 (whenever it finally releases), and even Fallout London.
Please note I am not in any way sponsored by GOG I just made this video because I think it's a good platform that more people need to know about.
Thanks for watching. Leave a like if you enjoyed!
The games in order of display if you want to play any yourself:
Chernobylite
Lego Star Wars TCS
Easy Red 2 (briefly shown to show Steam DRM)
Fallout London
Army Men 2
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#falloutlondon #gog #steam
*Correction
At one point I say every game in this video is available on GOG. This is technically not true.
Easy Red 2 which I very briefly displayed to show how Steam DRM works is unfortunately as of the making of this video NOT on GOG.
All the others are though.
Sorry for any confusion that may have caused.
If buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing
The time of "You'll own nothing and be happy" is getting closer everyday.
@@Theoneuknow7 And people don't even realize this shit is part of it.
The scariest part is I think it's already here to some extent.
Life would be easier if I didn't own anything now that I think about it
@@youngtilt5506 Watch it, buddy, that way feudalism lies.
For those who think this video is against steam, let me tell you it’s not, as a steam user myself I understand problems and concerns discussed in this video, like already mentioned gabe newel will not stay in business forever, I think valve is trust worthy in many ways which unfortunately doesn’t exclude the possibility that someone who steps in gabe’s shoes will be at least as good at management as gabe, can be different things since steam had features and functionalities which give possibility for the abuse of power, i will not repeat whatever was mentioned in video as it already explains those things, it’s kinda surprising to me why laws don’t prevent such predatory acts from game publishers like EA and ubisoft as their acts are against customer rights
Well, lootboxes as a concept (and therefore a practice) did get outlawed in Belgium all because of EA's insistence to use them in Battlefront 2.
@@mcelfy1006 thanks for watching and understanding
@@BrokenCircle1 anytime, love how you always speak truth and discuss topics like that, we don’t see that much lately
@@mcelfy1006 I try to call things as I see them and talk about different things other than what everyone else is doing.
@@BrokenCircle1 that’s why I have big respect for you buddy, keep it up
So what I'm hearing is that I should buy more games on GOG. As well as that's there's nothing really wrong with Steam, but if I want to really own that game GOG is the way to go.
More or less.
Because on GOG you truly OWN your game. Burn it on disk and it is yours, no need for internet, or online account/connection.
Meanwhile with Steam if you try same thing, fuck you please login to your steam account.
Take away internet and account from steam users and they are basicly fucked. (Along with many other reasons the vid mentioned)
@@Minotaur5200 That's what I said, but you said it angrier. Point being I'll be buying more games on GOG from now on anyway.
Just keep steam.
BrokenCircle is just fear mongering.
@@LinkiePup I intend to keep Steam, and I'm going to look more into games from GOG. I'm not going to buy all those games again on a different platform.
Steam said that if you pass away you won't be able to share your games with your family, or even friends. What a B.S move... since I heard that I purchase my games even more on GOG.
And this is why I stick with physical or emulation. If I have to buy my games on a platform that can pull them at any time whenever they feel like it I'd probably lose my mind. Selling the high seas is only as the last resort given the kind of risks involved, but sometimes you have to be willing to take those risks.
You should've mentioned their refund policy which is a god send compared to Steam.
@@TheTrueRandomGamer I was going to but I have never refunded a game on GOG so because I had no personal experience on it I didn't want to say one way or the other.
I have found the GOG refund system far worse than Steams. I wish it wasn't as I want to support GOG but three painful refunds from them really soured me
I don't get the argument, you say you want to buy from the company that let's you keep your games but it's not up to Steam or GOG if let's say Bethesda suddenly would pull their games from said storefronts... Has anything been pulled from GOG? I know Steam let's you keep your game even if a company suddenly decides it wants to delist it.
That being said the biggest problem GOG has is that it barely gets any new release whatsoever, you get these random drops of a few semi new releases but the vast majority of new titles simply don't appear on there which is why I personally only use them for their 'Good Old Games'.
Games have been delisted on GOG like all the classic Unreal games and Spec Ops The Line. Happened on Steam too. So if you didn't purchase them, tough, their gone.
That's less of a steam problem and more of game company problem like EA and Ubisoft.
But Steam can and likely will become as bad as them eventually.
Correction: Why you should pirate or physically purchase disk games and NEVER buy games digitally
yea you can still use the disk version of the crew 1 as a frisbee, better than nothing
1:58 They even put the game on sale a couple weeks before they removed it from people libraries, they literally tried to maximize their cash grab
@@StrayGuard That I did not know. That's AWFUL.
@@BrokenCircle1 Companies have been doing dubious things like this for a lot of years but since people still give them money they keep getting away with it. One similar case is the one of Need For Speed World. In both cases their solution was for the playerbase to migrate to the new games since they had "luckyly" released a new online game of the same franchise, for EA was Need For Speed 2015 wich floped and they abandoned, and for Ubisoft is The Crew 3.
For me this was the last straw i dont want to give money to any live service. It really feels like they dont care about player after they get our money.
@StrayGuard Live service is AWFUL. I did a video on that recently covering how a Halo 3 era Bungie producer said that's the way to go and just how wrong that is.
Hate live service and I refuse to participate in any new live service games.
@@BrokenCircle1 I am going to watch it, you have many interesting videos that shed some light on the industry.
I really hate them too, i wish we could go back to the physical copies and local multiplayer.
Its almost like the prices go up and the experience gets worse and worse.
Also $75 for a game its insane and ist not even the full game, ubisoft expects people to pay up to $110-140 for a full game.
@@StrayGuard Look at things like Stellaris. They sell you the basic parts of the game then charge $15+ for basic features as DLC later especially lately.
The cost of everything going up and giving you less is across every industry but it is especially prevalent in gaming. I think it likely has something to do with megacorporations owning everything, you know how a few own basically all the smaller ones.
dont forget that mincraft cant be logged in to and played on a different computer from your msn/microsoft account...also a scary thought The Internet might not be available in the future...
Why is that?
@@maxmazzotti6651 solarflares, ww3, emp's. hacks ect.
@ETTemplar Especially at the rate things are going.
Yeah I've kind of stopped playing Minecraft largely for that reason.
As a replacement I reccomend Mineclonia on the Minestest engine. It is a free open source recreation of Minecraft. No DRM, good mod support, decent community too.
There could’ve been an alternate world where Josh Moon of the Kiwi Farms went to work for GOG. If that timeline turned out well we could’ve gotten Sneed-D Project Red.
You will own nothing and you will be happy. 😀
@@BlatantThrowAway Yup. It's all part of the plan.
Microsoft jumped the gun in 2013...
But they have given companies the heads up of doing it slowly over time.
The Cooking the frog method.
@@FlourishingVA exactly! Somebody gets it!
The problem is I have Mass Effect and Gears of War on my console, and I'd rather not lose them. The problem is they aren't on GOG.
@BaxterAndLunala Sadly yeah there are a few titles I wish had a GOG release but they get more as time goes on. In the last year or so we've gotten quite a bit.
@@BrokenCircle1 Did they include Lego Star Wars?
@@BaxterAndLunala Yes. Every game in this video bar Easy Red 2 is on GOG.
Nor will they be unless their files and executables can be _downloadable_ : for many, many titles this is a thing EA will not allow. DRAGON AGE is on GoG - DA2 (never mind INQUISITION) is not. DOOM3 is on GoG - DOOM2016 is not and, of course, neither is DOOM ETERNAL.
@@vincelang3779 Not YET
I didn't know that was the selling point of GOG, thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
The only thing keeping Valve remotely ethical is the fact that they're not publicly traded.
Dude, a THOUSAND percent YES. I love having my game library aggregated as tightly as I can get it, and Steam seems to have like every notable PC game around! Of course there are some plenty of exceptions, but Steam is the BIG one. There is SO much to appreciate about Steam, and most of the features on offer there click into place when they need to and _just work._
That said, I've been trying to reduce my reliance on Steam for some time now, and I've been doing the exact same thing you have by buying from GOG instead whenever I can. It may not be as feature-rich and convenient to use GOG, but backing up my offline installers and keeping in mind that I've helped directly support the main driving force behind my ability to continue legally buying these games without DRM... The feeling is unmatched. Utterly delightful. ❤️❤️❤️
It does hurt to know that Young Horses had a pretty rough time when they'd released Octodad onto GOG, so they decided not to bring Bugsnax over... And of course there are plenty of other stories where talented and promising developers have been put off by GOG's inconsistent quality standards or communicational issues. I can't fault them for the real experience they had, and I wish them all the best regardless. But GOG does need to establish more clear guidelines for prospective publishers and greater communication and clarity for everybody. I want to be able to point at GOG and say they're just the BEST place to buy AND sell games! While they're unquestionably Steam's greatest competitor, they still have a good way to go. But holy CRAP are they ever on a great path now!!
I still use Steam, and I probably always will if I can. But GOG's values and ideals line up VERY closely to my own, and that goes a long way! I'm a good and passionate customer, and I fight hard for those who treat me well. Despite their numerous mis-steps, I'm very happy to continue supporting GOG 💜💜💜
@@Toby_Kat Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Tell me about this Bugsnax...I've never heard of it.
@@BrokenCircle1 I apologize, I've gotta get some rest before work.. But man, Bugsnax is super charming and would've fit into GOG's catalog beautifully! That's just one of the situations where a developer told me directly why they don't plan on releasing on GOG. Really got me thinking about how many times I had requested GOG releases, and what it might actually cost to do so (beyond just the money and time to prepare a DRM-free build).
In any case, I'm happy to accept a "no" and buy on Steam instead. They have their reasons :3
Steam drm its not obligatory so if a game has no drm like baldur's gate 3 it can run without the steam launcher and you can uninstall steam after the download... I can see your point but no one backups their library. I have over 250+ games on gog how many hdd's i need to backup everything? I can see gog growing in the future for their drm free policies but not because they offer offline installers or no online check but just because people don't want shit installed on their pc just to run a single player game.
Loads of people back up their library. Including me.
Honestly, I'd like to see actual physical copies of pc games return. I miss those cool looking boxes and extra goodies they often came with. Just a dream, I know...
I'm very skeptical of GOG staying good. I've already seen games get delisted that you cannot play now if you didn't purchase them. When buying older games, do your homework and make sure they'll actually work. Some will require outside patches/mods to get working, just like on Steam. And then there's the owner of GOG, CDPR. I'm very concerned with the political direction their going in. That way leads often to censorship and deletion of "problematic" games.
Yes to all. But I just think we should support and invest now while it's decent.
For real man, i was so happy to find at a flea market the physical copy of half life and Warcraft 3 for PC, i'm a sucker for the physical
Only the pirate ship gives you real ownership over your games.
Because Gabe Newell will die one day and we will be in big trouble then
Yup
sorry but when did Minecraft go woke? I have not heard anything about this.
Splash text among other things.
Im curious if you still play MCC in your discord server, been trying to join it but all the invites are expired
discord.gg/McCJgPpD
That link will work for 24 hours. We had to remove all the links due to server drama, possible raid, and a wave of bans.
Sorry for just getting back to you now. Been busy.
I stopped buying games from steam during the paid mods debacle. Pretty much killed my interest in the hobby.
Steam started this whole drm digital only nonsense, they killed off physical games with their garbage steamworks. People sacrifice freedom and ownership of games for small conveniences, and mods have drm now so you can't download them for the same game on other distribution platforms, I can't believe people are in agreement to this.
Deep Space Waifu is actually pretty fun...
This, this one argument is why many should go the route of the _seven seas._ If you're still morally conflicted about it, then just scour the _seas_ for games _you already own._ This is just to make sure that all the content you paid for will forever and always will be yours. This also benefit customers whose content are censored by (forced) future patches/update, eg; The removal of many custom arts by many artists on further versions of Skullgirls, or how Rockstar Games removed many memorable radio music on past games ported to newer hardware due to expired licenses, or how Marvel vs Capcom 1 and 2 aren't available for purchase due to the same reason as rockstar games radio music.
I knew of GOG but I didnt know about it not having drm I just thought it was just another online video game retailer.
Seems like a good alternative, though im not sure if all the games in my current steam library are available on it. I'll definitely check GOG out. Hopefully GOG will stick to it's consumer friendly tactics and not sell out, which is my main concern.
Also have you heard about BRIDGE, which is essentially what DEI is being rebranded too (since DEI has gained such a bad reputation). Not a lot of people are aware of it, and it's even worse than DEI.
I've heard of it but I don't know specifics.
TONS of games are not available on GoG, which is why I have both services. Games on GoG are required to be _downloadable_ which is why NONE of the recent EA titles are there : you can get DEAD SPACE 2008 but cannot get DEAD SPACE 2023. Heck : FALLOUT4 showed up only this year!
@@vincelang3779 I have the full Valve collection in my library which I doubt will ever be on GOG. My best bet there would be to obtain the physical copies of those games (Half Life 1: 4 disc set, the original orange box, etc).
@@vincelang3779 Alot of games yes you do have to wait for but there's really no reason to buy games day or year one anymore.
They launch broken, missing features, and cost a fortune. Better to wait for it to be on sale.
Also as time goes on some games (Like Stalker 2) are coming to GOG day one.
GOG needs to add a Workshop like option to mod games. It's just better simply pushing Subscribe to a mod rather than manually installing it, hoping it works.
You guys buy games?
agree 100%. i saw all this coming 15 years ago.
As a developer this is an very interesting topic. So far Steam got pretty good features to communicate with your community, push updates and get your game in front of people by putting it on steam. I am always looking on other platforms and I am really excited to see which other competitors like epic will try to get better than Steam!
I think I'll just stop watching videos from this channel.
Bye don't let the door hit you on the way out. You wont be missed.
@@BrokenCircle1 Likewise!
I do like steam, but always prefer physival games.
I mostly use my switch these days, even if games run worse I don't care. At least I own them, if the publisher doesn't ruin the physical
great video :)
@@Traveman thanks for watching
Oh nononono steammies what happened
Tbh the only reasons I exclusively use steam are because it's convenient, the sales, and it's the easiest for my parents to find gift cards for.
fingers crossed gabe has a will and is giving steam to someone sensible.
i use both gog and steam bought grim dawn on gog
Still better than Epic Games Store.
A mouldy toenail is better than the Epic Games store.
@@BrokenCircle1 The most rancid shit in human history covered in gasoline and the same poison that's in golden poison dart frogs would be better than Epic Games store.
-well i support your point of buying game more on gog but here some point i want to give a debunk
-steam dont normally take away your games, the game you bought is in your steam libary and can still be redownload as many times as you want, publisher just dont let you buy the game anymore so in steam's store page will no longer have buy button
-in rare case removed games are the scams, maleware, or anything suspect that have been reported and confirm by both steam and consumers. and steam issues refund.
-steam do have option for you to do not update the games, if you dont want game to have any update, like you have learns that new version have massive bugs, performance issue or anything you dont like. there are option for you to turn of update for that game. this feature is available for many years.
-steam dont let you play the games you refund even if you still have game files in it. it is obvious like console disc. still doesnt stop you to install crack files after ward, if you really want to push it.
-DRM and thirdparty softwar launcher is not in steam's power to demand steam is just a market place. and they do have warning about DRM and third party software in the store page. my only issue with it is they should show them above the buy button. not on the side.
For those of you who do buy Steam games and would like to have them outside of Steam look into Steamless and Goldberg Emulator. The games I really care about I have cracked and archived onto my NAS for when Steam is no longer around/favorable to use.
Good points dude, I've been telling my friends this for years.
Lets say you loose internet or access to your steam account.(for some ungodly reason)
You are essentially screwed, your entire library goes "bye-bye".
Pchysical copies ARE still the most safest way for you to own your games. (DRM FREE)
Well alot of physical copies have DRM. For example I own a disc version of Battlefield 4 on PC and it is tied to the EA app. Can't play it without it.
@@BrokenCircle1 True, but such discs, well most of them dont even have anything on them. Arkham Asylum I got it on disc but without internet connection its basicly useless(And has couple hundred MBs, its not even full game on it). I'm talking about old school DRM, thats why on GOG its literally "You buy it you keep it." meaning you actually can burn the game on a disc and its yours.
I havent watched the video but I understand exactly what is being talked about with the description.
I agree that GOG is better if you want to "own" the game but then and again what if the internet somehow goes out? Any collection you didnt download is also now gone, also GOG doesnt have a lot of the other services that Steam has, and GOG lacks alot of the games + no modding workshop that are on Steam. To be also honest the companies doing these scummy moves also just make really bad games imo, EA and Ubisoft have fallen from their once good status, the actual worthwhile games you can simply pirate, like old NFS games, since they arent even sold anymore
I cover all that in the video.
dude i dont have the space to back up my games
Neither did I until I bought myself a new SSD that had like a terrabyte of space. It wasn't that expensive. Well worth it to back them up.
valve took away CSGO, i wont forgive them for that
@@Timic83tc Is it totally gone? You can't play it at all anymore? I didn't know that I hadn't tried in a while.
Personally I think with steam and gaben we're safe at the moment. gaben has also supported piracy saying that paying for a laptop, then internet connect and games is too much for a casual person. What I recommend people do is stop buying games that use the ubi and ea launcher.
'at the moment' yes. That was sort of my whole point. To show the writing is on the wall.
Why, you know the steam mods workshop is where I get my MCC mods!
That is an exception. Games that are not on GOG or have great workshop support we sadly don't have another option but in the case that you do I say we should go and buy things on GOG.
I like Steam, it's been good to me for many many years. I haven't lost access to any of the games I have purchased other than online games. I love the features and how it integrates with the Steam Deck too. I will agree that more people should make the effort to use GOG as well and in a perfect world every game available on Steam would be on GOG as well but that's far from being the case. If you only purchased PC games on GOG you'd be missing out immensely.
Personally I'm not worried about losing my games but if that were to happen and a developer decides to remove a game I have paid for out of the blue I will pirate it. I don't believe the problem lies with Steam but with our government. Laws regarding digital ownership need to be updated yesterday. I don't know the perfect solution but developers should not be allowed to just remove games we have purchased. They shouldnt be on the hook for supporting a game indefinitely obviously but there's no reason why single player games would have to be removed.
I would even like to see multiplayer games have the abilitty to be played P2P if a developer decides to end support for it but that's probably not happening.
No
@@l.4165 yes
If you are seriously concerned about steam DRM. You can remove it by emulating the steam DRM and remove the game from steam launcher.
How does one emulate the Steam DRM?
@@BrokenCircle1 I have been looking at trying to break the steam DRM for some old games I own on steam. I came across Goldberg and Steamless. Just search steam DRM free and you might get what you want for some of your games.
@@BrokenCircle1 look up Goldberg and steamless.
@@BrokenCircle1 sorry if I replied multiple times RUclips is not showing my reply.
Quick question? If there is a game I have on my steam account and my device has had (almost) constant WiFi and internet access and I haven’t played it in a few years will it still work?
You said that an old game you’d had on the shelves for years wouldn’t work or something like that
GOG sounds good but I'd have to buy a bunch of games all over again. Does the Bethedsa CC content carry over to other copies of the games or would you have to have an alternate account for a GOG install?
I'm not sure about that. What I will say is I recently rebought a bunch of games and it was fairly cheap. Some games go on sale for less than a dollar. I think I spent around 5 bucks for all the old Men of War games.
@@MttkRaimon Makes sense, thanks.
Minecraft is woke?
Has been for a while. In 2020 they added a bunch of BS to the splash screens. Then they go on about 'can't add X, Y, or Z because social/environmental impact'
@@BrokenCircle1 Lul
i will still use steam if i find good deals on sale
I dont like steam since its drm, I like owning games.
God bless and forgive you
its still way better than epic games
@@Russell970 A moldy toothbrush on the side of the interstate is better than Epic games.
Your level of putting up with garbage anti-consumerism should not be relative to other bad practices
They've become so accustom to the lesser of 2 evils it's annoying.
Wife lol
K you might hate me i watched the whole thing and yeah i see the points but i really dont care and ill keep using steam.
That's your choice. No hate I'm just pointing out the issues and explaining mine.
@BrokenCircle1 and i respect that im sorry that i wish to stay with steam i already sold my xbox for personal reasons and kept my switch and 64 and wiiu
@@tanaflameheart8883 Don't be sorry? No reason to be?
@BrokenCircle1 i rather be sorry for something then be toxic something i wish to stand away from with being a ex halo player
g2a ftw
"at some point someone will buy out steam"
Steam is a private company, they're not publicly traded
Tell me you don't know how acquisitions and stonks works
If a private company doesn't want to sell or be bought, they won't be, as there are no shareholders to appease or consider
@claymaz1ng And?
As I pointed out Gabe is not forever. His successor might sell.
You speak truth here. I'am already put down my resignation on steam platform and currently waiting for account deletion with over 200 games which I don't own of course, because it's just a licence only 3 days left untill steam deletes my account, also I don't trust GOG too much either because it's what you said people in power change and values changes as well, that means that companies are not friends to gamers, they are enemies to gamers. The reasons why I left steam is because 1. Uncertain future of steam we don't what will happen to steam after Gabe passes away, and he will eventually that is why I started to think about leaving steam. 2 All this "modern audiences crap" in every movie in every game it's just a huge turnoff I just want to play games, not to see another politics fail show, this is probably the biggest reason why I decided to leave steam, because soon every game will become like that even japanese and indie games won't be able to resist the DEI money, unfortunately that's what will happen, it's just a matter of time, this is why I don't trust gaming companies. Last reason is because "you own nothing and be happy" this is too much if we buy our games we simply buy licenses and those can be taken away at any moment, another big reason why I put my resignation on steam. Right now I"am back to PS1 games they are so much fun to play and right know there are so many translated japanese games, also fans are making resident evil mods on ps1 it's just so nice to play on PS1, because in my past I owned PS1 and lots of games, my cousin at that time already owned PS2 well because his parents had more money, but I"am happy that I got memories of PS1 and right I"am back to the games I enjoyed the most. Eventually all platforms will fail, businesses will fail because of anti consumer, and "DEI modern audiences" politics. In the end what we need is perservation of all media.
Don't delete your Steam account that wont fix anything. I get your frustration but don't willingly give up your stuff.
As for GOG changing yes that is certainly a possibility I wouldn't be surprised if it goes under one way or another in a few years, I know they don't make much compared to other platforms. That's why I'm saying support it now, get it while it's good now. Back up your games so you can keep them.
@@BrokenCircle1 Look I understand what are you trying to say, but I already made up my mind about leaving steam, because as I mentioned, games will be lost anyway we just don't know when they will be lost. I know that my account deletion won't fix this problem but I will be free from steam and other platforms that require you to be constantly online, since I have my PS1 games I will play only older console games using emulator of course, that way I won't need to be constantly online I can play offline without worrying about internet connection. I guess that is another good reason to leave steam. As for my over 200 games the only thing I wasted is money games will go away if they are digital, but money can be earned back so it's no big deal, I decided to leave steam after I experienced a big burnout not just from many games but I believe achievements played a big role in my burnout as well, because I just can't concentrate on another game if I can't 100 percent all of game achievements, and even if I were to come back there I would just simply stare at my huge library, thinking which game to choose and after about 10 minutes I would just close steam, because I can clearly say I got burned out of games that are on steam.
"Turned the game woke."
Damn, I agree with so much that you have to say, but I don't wanna watch anything else of yours if you're gonna do the culture wars. Diversity is important, representation matters, and it's a good thing when a game has something to say.
Then don't. If you don't like me calling out the BS EDI shit this isn't the place for you.
The problem is that Steam already has a captive audience and there's a literal cult surrounding an old fat man, so the majority will never be able to wean off of the platform until it shuts down for good. Sadly, not even GOG isn't completely DRM-free, but it's definitely the superior option, especially when paired with writable media.
Fitgirl and the like are even better. I should also give Playnite and Radmin VPN a mention.
@BloodwyrmWildheart Never hears of those last few.
As for the cultists I'm not really worried about them. Their stupidity will be their undoing. I'm talking for the people that don't know a better option but want one.
But as for GOG yeah there was a reason I specified most games were DRM free. I am aware of some over time that have/had at one point issues with online registration or whatever.
Valve was first. They had to fight an uphill battle against both publishers and distributors so the designers - the people who actually make the games - can get more money. And if one entity can ever be said to have helped usher the Indie game renaissance, it's Steam.
Listen : I don't have a dog in this fight! I don't own stock in any of these entities. All I'm suggesting is that unthinking hate (and ad hominem attacks) without nuances are no more productive than unthinking devotion . . .
@@vincelang3779 But nobody has unthinking hate here nor is anyone being attacked.
Sure Steam definitely did bring about alot of great indie games but we should still be wary of future hostile trends to come.