First, all of the products I mention in my Chroma Ironforge Review video: ✅ Get a Chroma Ironforge here: aferg.co/chroma-ironforge - discount code ALEX saves ✅ Get a Chroma D-Light for vitamin D creation here: aferg.co/chroma-vitamin-d - discount code ALEX saves ✅ Get a Chroma Sky Portal for daytime wakefulness and mood-boosting effects here: aferg.co/chroma-sky-portal - discount code ALEX saves ✅ For a Move+ Pro from Kineon, use discount code AFERGUSMOVE+ for 10% off and the following link: aferg.co/kineon - upcoming products will be added soon to the Kineon offerings ✅ For the NovoTHOR red light therapy bed check this link, as well as NovoTHOR locations across the world: aferg.co/novothor ✅ For the THOR Lasers website, check: aferg.co/thor ✅ The Light Therapy Insiders shopping tool that helps you select a panel: aferg.co/product-database Next up, all resources I mention in my Chroma Ironforge Review as well as other red light therapy resources: ✅ My epic Facebook group on red light therapy and more: aferg.co/fb-group ✅ The Chroma blog and newsletter of Michael Chapiro: www.getchroma.co/ ✅ My Michael Chapiro interview, the founder of Chroma: aferg.co/chapiro-interview ✅ My video on red light therapy light coverage: aferg.co/coverage ✅ My video on the expected red light therapy treatment area: aferg.co/treatment-area ✅ The Light Therapy Insiders shopping tool: aferg.co/product-database ✅ My interview with Dr Randy Beck: aferg.co/beck-interview ✅ Full playlist of my 2022 body panel red light therapy comparison series with all episodes: aferg.co/RLT-2021-playlist - if you're short on time then check out the summary episode towards the end of the playlist ✅ My excel sheet for comparing different panels to their competition: aferg.co/rlt-data ✅ For my red light therapy buyer's guide blog, follow this link: aferg.co/RLTguide ✅ My red light testing methodology for reviews video: aferg.co/rlt-testing-method ✅ My red light therapy blog with many deep dive articles: aferg.co/redlightblog
It's $1431.00 on the website. That's little to expensive for a device i need to move around with my hand. If they can bring the price point down to around $700. It would be worth it.
Oh is that in USD? I just looked at yeah I'm seeing a different price as well... I'm also seeing an entirely new website!! So they must have changed things up. Bummer I hate when this happens - i publish a video and it's already out of date :( But yes it is an expensive, niche product. It's not going to be for everyone. But I think if penetration is your objective (i.e. arthritis in the hips) you will happily spend the $
It also looks like a lot of work😊 I'm curious to see how this product will evolve. I'm assuming the kineon also has good penetration. When it comes to treating locally Thanks for the content.
I'd be very careful about unintentional lipolysis. The mW (both average and peak) are easily in the range for puncturing fat cells resulting in fat loss.
Oh interesting. I mean could people use this to their advantage though? It's not something I am familiar with, but could someone start using this on tummy fat for instance to help lower their body fat levels? Or is it dangerous?
This is something I’ve heard of in the aesthetics space…folks worried about fat loss in the face. Not sure if that has been debunked since that concern emerged several years ago.
I used your discount code and got mine couple months ago...I love it. I like having spot super treatment/and travel portability, and my panel. Covers all I want to do.
@@verZatile_bmotp Love love love my redlight therapy. Just overall health was focus. I put heritage black castor oil on face or spine, and then red light, and wow, they synergize toether. great sleep, wake up more refreshed. Skin greatly improves. I'm glad I got one. I cannot compare, I got a ironforge for travel or spots, and the biomax from blockbluelight. I like them both.
I’m surprised you didn’t get their vitamin D light, I was watching a couple of videos on it just yesterday when I was researching vitamin D lamps. I get the concept with a tightly packed unit like these from Chroma, but personally the form factor doesn’t appeal to me. I’d rather have a stationary panel that covers a larger part of the body with an even spread, and I think the company that takes the logical step and includes the option of UVB at a low output that is suitable for a simultaneous 5-20 minutes red and NIR treatment wins the game. I mean, everyone gets too little sunlight! We spend so much time indoors and behind window glass, so everyone is in need of red, NIR and UV light! I’m leaning towards getting the Sperti vitamin D lamp and using it along with my Biomax, even though it looks like it was born in the USSR and escaped from prison… Platinum LED, take note; exchange the blue light (we get too much from screens and light bulbs anyway!) with weak UVB light and you will be the god emperor of the red light therapy business.
It will fit in a carry on :) Also check this out - ruclips.net/video/aOR0Nn0-PAE/видео.html But now that I have a few more products I am going to film an updated RLT Travel device video. That will be out in a month or two.
Hi. I have a full body panel for overall health. However I was looking for a more targeted device, specifically for lower back and knee pain and also an Achilles issue. I was all set to buy the Kineon move+pro after I saw your review. But I've now watched this review on the chroma. Would it be a much better option than the kineon for specific target areas, taking into consideration it's clunkier and double the cost. I just wonder if it's worth it. Thanks
Yeah it depends how you intend to use it. The kineon device is small, battery powered and silent (and half the price). The Chroma needs to be plugged in, is quite bulky and very load. BUT has more power and a larger treatment area.
Thanks for the reply. One last question. If you take portability and cost out of the equation and base your choice only on effectiveness and performance which device would perform best for hitting specific target areas. If there's not much between them and it's a toss of a coin situation then ideally I'd go for the Kineon. However if the Chroma totally out performs the Kineon then I'd definitely go with that. Any further advice is much appreciated. Thanks
His advice is completely bs. All the science on red light is used directly on the skin. To get deep penetration you need to use a panel directly on the skin. The only panels I trust to put on my skin and designed to do so are gembared. For targeted treatments buy a gembared vector and they are only $250. If you want to get zero benefits from red light use too high of an intensity at a distance. This video is a sick joke once you actually read the science
Hey Alex, at the 8:02 mark your light penetration test was done with both the device and your spectrometer pressed into the skin. Can you do a follow up video and test with the iron forge 2-6 inches away to see if your spectrometer can detect any light on the other side? My guess is the light won’t penetrate nearly as deeply if at all through your hand.
I have a really good panel setup so I like using that. But I did use the chroma IF most days on my 2 week trip away and it worked well. But I much prefer standing next to a full panel setup so I can read a book or plan my workout or use my phone etc@@Fernandomontecristo
If you were a full time massage therapist, and you only had a budget for one red light therapy device at $1,500 and bellow, which device would you do: chroma ironforge or a full body panel? Whats the best therapeutic panel right now on the market?
The Iron Forge is an insanely powerful device, and I like it. I think for message therapy, a panel is more relaxing and a nice addition to your services.
Strange that the Flexbeam is still not tested by you .... a lot of people using this device . Or is there a story behind the testing ..... (freebees) .
Hey. It's on my list. I have actually been in contact with someone on their team. It's not a matter of waiting to receive a free product - a lot of the products I test I just go out and buy (I spent $5000 on the Dermalux Flex MD a few weeks ago for instance), or a company sends it to me for a month or so then I return it. I just have so many products to review (literally 12 unopened boxes in my studio at the moment!) I don't source new products until I really need them. Often companies do send me products to test and these then get tested as they are sitting there ready to use. I will get a FlexBeam one day though!
I already got a platinum 309. For my face and for some other body parts. But since it takes forever to cover the full body, Would you recommend I buy this to treat muscles after gym and for travel use ( instead of getting 4 platinum 900 at home)
Hey, if the goal is full body treatment - then go with the full panel setup. But if the goal is those targeted treatments then yeah the Chroma works well. Personally I'm not a big fan of using the chroma for full body sessions - I did it a few times on my recent trip and after a few days I got 'bored' of having to stand there and move it all over my body - it's much easier to stand by a large panel and read a book etc
@@LightTherapyInsidersthank you so much. And thanks to your video, i decided to purchase the Platinum 300. I love it a lot and it works perfectly for me. I work from home, it’s so easy to move it around. Maybe at some point when I decided to upgrade I’ll set up more 900 panels like the way you do. I guess this Chroma is nice to have if I already have a 300 panel? By the way, one thing I just found out after buying my machine is that there is a pretty high import tax to ship it from US to the UK 💔😭🇬🇧
This device is very powerful, and I recommend just a few seconds per area. I think the light will penetrate, but you can open your mouth and do all areas, including under the jawline
Hey, yeah I have covered this a bit in the past (I don't remember where exactly - It may have been in our FB group - facebook.com/groups/lighttherapyinsiders - jump in there and do a search). My son suffers from epilepsy, so I am working with Dr Randy Beck to help treat this and he uses RLT in his protocol for some patients. You can see my interview with him here - ruclips.net/video/QYaNxxlpo4U/видео.html
Please join our facebook group. I know there are people in that group that are using RLT for their dogs. Their experiences are first hand.. facebook.com/groups/lighttherapyinsiders
RUclips is acting up and even with the adblocker turned off, it will not play. any chance you have this info for Chroma on another format? I really liked your stuff back when I could get it.
Would love to hear if anybody has successfully treated a knee meniscus tear injury with this device, This injury requires a deeper penetrating light/laser device.
Join my Facebook group. There are many members, and it is a great interactive group. Someone there may have experience with this.facebook.com/groups/lighttherapyinsiders
... some attention to detail concerns flagged with the titled "Founder Interview With Michael Fergus" despite the watermarked thumbnail saying "Alex Fergus"... 🤣
I think if you watch the maker of this devices video video he only has one video on his channel and he explains what he's doing. This is from three years ago you'll want this device. You'll probably be pissed off at you spent money on these other devices. The handheld torch infrared light device he has goes through the batteries like no other. You have to use rechargeable, but it's kind of a hassle. He needs something that plugs in to the batteries.
First, all of the products I mention in my Chroma Ironforge Review video:
✅ Get a Chroma Ironforge here: aferg.co/chroma-ironforge - discount code ALEX saves
✅ Get a Chroma D-Light for vitamin D creation here: aferg.co/chroma-vitamin-d - discount code ALEX saves
✅ Get a Chroma Sky Portal for daytime wakefulness and mood-boosting effects here: aferg.co/chroma-sky-portal - discount code ALEX saves
✅ For a Move+ Pro from Kineon, use discount code AFERGUSMOVE+ for 10% off and the following link: aferg.co/kineon - upcoming products will be added soon to the Kineon offerings
✅ For the NovoTHOR red light therapy bed check this link, as well as NovoTHOR locations across the world: aferg.co/novothor
✅ For the THOR Lasers website, check: aferg.co/thor
✅ The Light Therapy Insiders shopping tool that helps you select a panel: aferg.co/product-database
Next up, all resources I mention in my Chroma Ironforge Review as well as other red light therapy resources:
✅ My epic Facebook group on red light therapy and more: aferg.co/fb-group
✅ The Chroma blog and newsletter of Michael Chapiro: www.getchroma.co/
✅ My Michael Chapiro interview, the founder of Chroma: aferg.co/chapiro-interview
✅ My video on red light therapy light coverage: aferg.co/coverage
✅ My video on the expected red light therapy treatment area: aferg.co/treatment-area
✅ The Light Therapy Insiders shopping tool: aferg.co/product-database
✅ My interview with Dr Randy Beck: aferg.co/beck-interview
✅ Full playlist of my 2022 body panel red light therapy comparison series with all episodes: aferg.co/RLT-2021-playlist - if you're short on time then check out the summary episode towards the end of the playlist
✅ My excel sheet for comparing different panels to their competition: aferg.co/rlt-data
✅ For my red light therapy buyer's guide blog, follow this link: aferg.co/RLTguide
✅ My red light testing methodology for reviews video: aferg.co/rlt-testing-method
✅ My red light therapy blog with many deep dive articles: aferg.co/redlightblog
It's $1431.00 on the website. That's little to expensive for a device i need to move around with my hand. If they can bring the price point down to around $700. It would be worth it.
Oh is that in USD? I just looked at yeah I'm seeing a different price as well... I'm also seeing an entirely new website!! So they must have changed things up. Bummer I hate when this happens - i publish a video and it's already out of date :(
But yes it is an expensive, niche product. It's not going to be for everyone. But I think if penetration is your objective (i.e. arthritis in the hips) you will happily spend the $
I see just over $1000, not bad tbh.
It also looks like a lot of work😊 I'm curious to see how this product will evolve.
I'm assuming the kineon also has good penetration. When it comes to treating locally
Thanks for the content.
It's worth what the market will pay.
buy once cry once. The best is the best
I'd be very careful about unintentional lipolysis. The mW (both average and peak) are easily in the range for puncturing fat cells resulting in fat loss.
Oh interesting. I mean could people use this to their advantage though? It's not something I am familiar with, but could someone start using this on tummy fat for instance to help lower their body fat levels? Or is it dangerous?
This is something I’ve heard of in the aesthetics space…folks worried about fat loss in the face. Not sure if that has been debunked since that concern emerged several years ago.
I used your discount code and got mine couple months ago...I love it. I like having spot super treatment/and travel portability, and my panel. Covers all I want to do.
Awesome! Thank you!
Results? What was your focus on? any improvements?
@@verZatile_bmotp Love love love my redlight therapy. Just overall health was focus. I put heritage black castor oil on face or spine, and then red light, and wow, they synergize toether. great sleep, wake up more refreshed. Skin greatly improves. I'm glad I got one. I cannot compare, I got a ironforge for travel or spots, and the biomax from blockbluelight. I like them both.
I’m surprised you didn’t get their vitamin D light, I was watching a couple of videos on it just yesterday when I was researching vitamin D lamps. I get the concept with a tightly packed unit like these from Chroma, but personally the form factor doesn’t appeal to me. I’d rather have a stationary panel that covers a larger part of the body with an even spread, and I think the company that takes the logical step and includes the option of UVB at a low output that is suitable for a simultaneous 5-20 minutes red and NIR treatment wins the game. I mean, everyone gets too little sunlight! We spend so much time indoors and behind window glass, so everyone is in need of red, NIR and UV light! I’m leaning towards getting the Sperti vitamin D lamp and using it along with my Biomax, even though it looks like it was born in the USSR and escaped from prison… Platinum LED, take note; exchange the blue light (we get too much from screens and light bulbs anyway!) with weak UVB light and you will be the god emperor of the red light therapy business.
Yeah it’s just so simple but I heared that when the thought arrived in the world it’s only a matter of time till the thought become an existing thing
Haha great comment! I have asked a few companies about including UV-B and they all tell me it's a legal/regulatory nightmare. So they stay well away!
Amazing comment. I'm also looking at the Sperti vitamin D and have an EMR-Tek already
Great info. I really like the concept and this device. Thanks Alex
Glad it was helpful!
I can definitely see and hear your excitement 😂. Great to see more products and options for consumers.
Yeah it was fun testing this, it was a bit different to a panel!
Really like you checking out so many different kinds of different device types 😮 👍 🙏
Thanks!
very informative... I have a biomax on the bedroom wall but this presents so many additional applicatons.. thanks!
No worries.
I would love to see a review of the new Chroma Iron Forge with more wavelengths.
I am keen to review some of their new products. Most likely won't be till the end of the year.
It would be interesting to see how it compares to the Kineon Move plus unit in a more in-depth comparison for mobility and sports application
Not a deep dive but some comparison: ruclips.net/video/5vXUep5VY-U/видео.htmlsi=EcwMsz38Allberiy
I need a good travel device that will fit nicely in a carry on. Is this going to be too large for that? Would I need to check a bag? 😅😆
It will fit in a carry on :) Also check this out - ruclips.net/video/aOR0Nn0-PAE/видео.html But now that I have a few more products I am going to film an updated RLT Travel device video. That will be out in a month or two.
Can you please review chroma D light as well?
Yeah I may do next year, but it's not really something I know a lot about.
Hi. I have a full body panel for overall health. However I was looking for a more targeted device, specifically for lower back and knee pain and also an Achilles issue. I was all set to buy the Kineon move+pro after I saw your review. But I've now watched this review on the chroma. Would it be a much better option than the kineon for specific target areas, taking into consideration it's clunkier and double the cost. I just wonder if it's worth it. Thanks
Yeah it depends how you intend to use it. The kineon device is small, battery powered and silent (and half the price). The Chroma needs to be plugged in, is quite bulky and very load. BUT has more power and a larger treatment area.
Thanks for the reply. One last question. If you take portability and cost out of the equation and base your choice only on effectiveness and performance which device would perform best for hitting specific target areas. If there's not much between them and it's a toss of a coin situation then ideally I'd go for the Kineon. However if the Chroma totally out performs the Kineon then I'd definitely go with that. Any further advice is much appreciated. Thanks
His advice is completely bs. All the science on red light is used directly on the skin. To get deep penetration you need to use a panel directly on the skin. The only panels I trust to put on my skin and designed to do so are gembared. For targeted treatments buy a gembared vector and they are only $250. If you want to get zero benefits from red light use too high of an intensity at a distance. This video is a sick joke once you actually read the science
@@weallknownothingpodcast3952gembared is good choice?
@@weallknownothingpodcast3952 they’re not saying to use it at distance tho.
I love my Chroma D-Light. Ironforge is on the list when I can justify getting a new NIR device xD
The D-Light looks great.
I think it would be great for covering most areas of the body but it would be hard or awkward to treat the back.
I agree!
Best product!
It is a good product; I am glad you like it.
Hey Alex, at the 8:02 mark your light penetration test was done with both the device and your spectrometer pressed into the skin. Can you do a follow up video and test with the iron forge 2-6 inches away to see if your spectrometer can detect any light on the other side? My guess is the light won’t penetrate nearly as deeply if at all through your hand.
Good suggestion, Thanks!
Hi Alex, thanks for the vídeo. Will you use the device in a daily base? Do you intend to publish a video talking about your anectodal results?
I used it a lot on my recent travels, but now that I'm home i'll just go back to using my panels.
Too much work? The typical application of ironforge takes 10 minutes ?
I have a really good panel setup so I like using that. But I did use the chroma IF most days on my 2 week trip away and it worked well. But I much prefer standing next to a full panel setup so I can read a book or plan my workout or use my phone etc@@Fernandomontecristo
Alex have you tested the Novaform Handheld Laser Device and/ or the Luminova RPT ball cap? I own both and I am curious about the specs.
Sorry, I haven’t
Alex, do you have explanation Chroma Ironforge vs their vitamin D light?
Hey, I haven't had a chance to review their D-Light. It looks good on paper, and I will try to get one.
If you were a full time massage therapist, and you only had a budget for one red light therapy device at $1,500 and bellow, which device would you do: chroma ironforge or a full body panel? Whats the best therapeutic panel right now on the market?
The Iron Forge is an insanely powerful device, and I like it. I think for message therapy, a panel is more relaxing and a nice addition to your services.
What are you not wearing protective glasses?
Would really like the output numbers at 12" with how much coverage... Thx Alex 👍😎
Hey, oh yeah I'll see what I can do.
Alex what is your opinion on the Lux Vital from Chroma?
I am keen to review this, and it will be in September.
Strange that the Flexbeam is still not tested by you .... a lot of people using this device . Or is there a story behind the testing ..... (freebees) .
Hey. It's on my list. I have actually been in contact with someone on their team. It's not a matter of waiting to receive a free product - a lot of the products I test I just go out and buy (I spent $5000 on the Dermalux Flex MD a few weeks ago for instance), or a company sends it to me for a month or so then I return it. I just have so many products to review (literally 12 unopened boxes in my studio at the moment!) I don't source new products until I really need them. Often companies do send me products to test and these then get tested as they are sitting there ready to use. I will get a FlexBeam one day though!
I already got a platinum 309. For my face and for some other body parts. But since it takes forever to cover the full body, Would you recommend I buy this to treat muscles after gym and for travel use ( instead of getting 4 platinum 900 at home)
Hey, if the goal is full body treatment - then go with the full panel setup. But if the goal is those targeted treatments then yeah the Chroma works well. Personally I'm not a big fan of using the chroma for full body sessions - I did it a few times on my recent trip and after a few days I got 'bored' of having to stand there and move it all over my body - it's much easier to stand by a large panel and read a book etc
@@LightTherapyInsidersthank you so much. And thanks to your video, i decided to purchase the Platinum 300. I love it a lot and it works perfectly for me. I work from home, it’s so easy to move it around. Maybe at some point when I decided to upgrade I’ll set up more 900 panels like the way you do. I guess this Chroma is nice to have if I already have a 300 panel?
By the way, one thing I just found out after buying my machine is that there is a pretty high import tax to ship it from US to the UK 💔😭🇬🇧
Alex I saw you treating your teeth.... how many seconds do you wave the brick above your jaw? Mouth open and close...
This device is very powerful, and I recommend just a few seconds per area. I think the light will penetrate, but you can open your mouth and do all areas, including under the jawline
Would that generate about 3plus inches or more? Need to reach a equines hip.
It is a very powerful device. I recommend you contact them and ask specific questions. Reputable company and they are happy to answer questions.
Anyone know if this device will be redesigned soon? And the price went up since this video… inflation???
Unsure about redesign. Price - yeah everything is going up :(
Insane expensive, those leds, what name and why so expensive..?
Hey, because the of power output, there is nothing on the market like this.
Can red light help with epilepsy and decrease seizures?
Hey, yeah I have covered this a bit in the past (I don't remember where exactly - It may have been in our FB group - facebook.com/groups/lighttherapyinsiders - jump in there and do a search).
My son suffers from epilepsy, so I am working with Dr Randy Beck to help treat this and he uses RLT in his protocol for some patients. You can see my interview with him here - ruclips.net/video/QYaNxxlpo4U/видео.html
980 Euro
Prosím české titulky...a kdy se nesmí používat?
Photobiomodulation prob the best product orher than the lux vital they sell
Great product!
Can you comment on use for acl injury on large dogs.
Please join our facebook group. I know there are people in that group that are using RLT for their dogs. Their experiences are first hand.. facebook.com/groups/lighttherapyinsiders
Nice
Thanks
RUclips is acting up and even with the adblocker turned off, it will not play. any chance you have this info for Chroma on another format? I really liked your stuff back when I could get it.
Hey, I'm sorry I only have it up here. Is it working for you now? Maybe try viewing it in a different browser?
Would love to hear if anybody has successfully treated a knee meniscus tear injury with this device, This injury requires a deeper penetrating light/laser device.
Join my Facebook group. There are many members, and it is a great interactive group. Someone there may have experience with this.facebook.com/groups/lighttherapyinsiders
Anyone have any technique for getting it back into the carry case?
Gosh it's a nightmare huh?! I put the light in first, then the driver next on its side, then work on getting the cable into the cracks.
What's the emf levels on this
Great question
Listen to 18:50. He states, “there is a little bit of EMF in there, but nothing too concerning.” no hard numbers.
... some attention to detail concerns flagged with the titled "Founder Interview With Michael Fergus" despite the watermarked thumbnail saying "Alex Fergus"... 🤣
Huh?
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I wonder how it would effect testosterone if u place it by the testicle
Check this out - www.lighttherapyinsiders.com/red-light-therapy-testosterone/
👍😀
That's the weirdest GPU I've ever seen
Lol
I think if you watch the maker of this devices video video he only has one video on his channel and he explains what he's doing. This is from three years ago you'll want this device. You'll probably be pissed off at you spent money on these other devices. The handheld torch infrared light device he has goes through the batteries like no other. You have to use rechargeable, but it's kind of a hassle. He needs something that plugs in to the batteries.
Yeah, corded is best if you want something that's putting out decent power.