Pretty much all the Jedi not named Qui-Gon believed that the Order was perfect, and a balanced Force involved the Jedi surviving unchanged. Turns out, the Force is bigger than a collection of government officials, and might require them to be wiped away. There are a lot of things I don’t like about Disney Star Wars, but I do like the idea that Anakin had to encompass all aspects of the Force in one person, and ascend to be a Mortis god.
fun fact: Anakin lived Half of his life in the light and half of it in the dark. He Turned to the Dark at 22 and fell to save Luke at 45. My opinion: This makes him a perfect balance in the force and the thing that makes him powerful is He nearly completely covered himself in the Dark side for someone else and not himself, and returned to the light for someone else and not himself. Each shift was selfless. He never initially wanted to rule anything. He just wanted Padme to live, just like he wanted his son to live. You look at the history of the Sith and you can see clearly, Vader is NOT like the others. He is strong. He seeks power in his aimless years (No purpose but to serve Palp after Padme's death) till he learns of the name of a rebel. Then he changes. becomes Focused/distracted. Even Palp calls him out on wanting to search of Luke all the time till he mentions turning him to the dark. It is MY head cannon that Vader never intended to defeat Luke on the deathstar II. I think his intentions were to turn Luke to his side so they could both or at least Luke could defeat the Emperor. He could feel how strong Luke was and knew that If he could turn him and make him angery like when he turned, it would give him a boost in power to may be enough to defeat Palp. In the end, I think it was Luke choosing not to fight that reminded Anakin that he ALWAYS has a choice and the power is his to make any choice he wanted and in the end, he couldn't save Padme but it was within his power to Save his son and he Chose to sacrifice himself. That's just my dream scenario.
The Chosen One Prophecy was truly misread by the Jedi Order like Master Yoda had said in ROTS. The Chosen One definitely did bring balance to the Force by destroying BOTH the Jedi and the Sith. After his purpose (Destiny) was fulfilled, the Chosen One became one with the Force at the end of ROTJ.
@@gundamleviathan5760 Where is balance? If there is only the narrow dogmatic view of the Jedi? Excess on either spectrum would cause imbalance in the Force, that’s my point.
@@kookuclock It doesn't though. How can too much Light Side be a bad thing? Lucas understood that. Are you saying you know more than the man who made the fucking thing?
@@gundamleviathan5760 No I’m not saying that 😂😂 I’m just going off the fact of what the definition of “balance” is and what it truly means. I love Lucas (not Disney) and all of us true Star Wars acolytes, I’m just speaking my opinion at the end of the day just like you are brother. Cheers 🍻
I mean, he's partially right on some points. The Jedi were supposed to serve only the will of the force, to listen to it and let it guide their every action. Maintaining balance in the force and following its commands should have been their sole purpose. But by the time of the Clone Wars, the Jedi were servants, not of the Force but of the Republic government. They had become too intertwined with the Republic and politics and had indeed become dogmatic. Qui-Gon did his best to follow the will of the Force and was shunned because of it. Obi-Wan ironically said it best when he told Anakin that his allegiance was to the Republic, to Democracy! His allegiance should have been to the Force and to its will, not to a government or its systems. If the Jedi had been doing what they were supposed to have been doing then they never would have been blinded by the dark side and Palpatine would have never been able to fool them so utterly.
Nice. You often hear the Chosen One Prophecy from the Jedi since it is theirs, but this is very interesting and really adds some depth to the character of Darth Vader. Usually you just see him as this depressed, enraged Sith Lord who has lost everything and then turns his anger into endless killing. Vader is also not typically portrayed as having much of a goal, other than blasting his pain at anyone who increases it by focusing his rage, but yet this proves otherwise. Darth Vader, like Anakin (since they are one and the same, just drawing from separate ends of the same Wellspring of The Force), actually thought and actually developed a philosophy of his own rooted in the Dark Side, making him a stronger Sith Lord. Not that I am pro or against Jedi, but it was the will of The Force for a time, but new life springs forth. Perhaps one day we will see if not universal balance in The Force achieved by some means, at least the main Galaxy of the Star Wars canon. It would be interesting to see what Galaxy wide all force-sensitives in perfect balance, not compelled, seduced, nor restricted to Light nor Dark Side. Could it last? TL;DR: Nice!
If Anyone is interested i would like to start a small discussion, anakin was the chosen one, but what if after he destroyed the sith instead of fully embracing the light if he went back to the dark side, deeper into it in fact and then rebuilt the order stronger than before fulfilling the prophecy of the sith ari, so is it possible in that sense he could potentially be the chosen one and the sith ari? Something I’ve always been curious about
Considering the Chosen One was ultimately driven to protect his own and willing to sacrifice the galaxy to do it. I think the Jedi weren't wary enough of him. But that's hindsight.
@@kaidorade1317 I don't remember but it's what makes the most sense. I don't like the narrative that only the sith abused the force it's clear that by Anakin's time the jedi was just as corrupt and abusive as the sith. They were going against Anakin being the chosen one which means they were against the force.
Anakin/Vader actually has a point, from a certain point of view. If the Jedi believe in letting the Force define the balance, and the Sith believe in tipping the scales to achieve a desired result, maybe there’s a middle road that works for the better. Like allowing the Will of the Force to dominate as often as possible, but also taking action to adjust the balance of the Force, either to correct imbalance or to prepare against calamity.
He’s half right- but then so were the Jedi. The right solution perhaps would have been for both Sith and Jedi too be wiped out and replaced with something new that acknowledged the Dark Side, personal will and attachments without becoming evil and while also still acknowledging the Light, duty, service, protection and healing etc. I don’t like what Disney have done with the films, but I do like the direction they’ve taken Anakin as a being who can do just that- acknowledge and use both sides of the Force without being evil. Luke’s New Jedi Order was supposed to be that as well- to an extent- but Disney had to retcon that.
@@blue_dreamed5141he may have done that believing it to be an act of mercy rather than out of malice. Imagine what the emperor might’ve done to the younglings if they were taken prisoner instead.
The new Republic Navy should not have demilitarised but instead pivoted it's doctrine to a more carrier based one using the x-wing and the venator class starship for inspiration. One carrier with x-wing's can patrol multiple systems this combined with a modernised multi purpose rapid response fleet able to respond to various emergencies ranging from humanitarian, diplomatic ect. Kind regards from Daniel Harman.
It's been a bit since I've heard the Chosen One profacy word for word, but being the Chosen One of the Force doesn't necessarily mean you are a Jedi specifically. I think Aniken was the Chosen One and fulfilled the profacy by destroying both the Jedi AND Sith by his own hand, and allowing a new start.
Vader did bring balance to the jedi as when Luce made new jedi order thay used the light and dark side. If thay did that when Anakin became a jedi he would of never become a sith. So he did what he needed to do killing the lot of them. It had to be done
If they were behaving as they were just a few millennia earlier, then it would not have meant their annihilation. But they were using the force to do the bidding of The Senate. So, when The Senate became one person - and a Sith to boot - yeah, both had to go.
I think that too much light blinded the Jedi to their flaws and to the presence of the dark. Too much darkness leads to the inability to see. The concept of balance also talks to the issue of politics. Red Vs Blue in the Anglosphere has led people to conflate the parties with the values they espouse. Jedi Vs Sith isn't necessarily light Vs dark unless you ignore the human element completely.
I agree. Jedi should have believe him. Support him. Prophecy was fulfilled. Sith were destroyed,and so were Jedi. It needed to happen,cleansing. Then Luke rebulid Jedi Order. Jedi were extremely staled,dogmatic,too political. They served the corrupt Republic,Senate not the Force. They didn't follow it's will. May the Force be with you too. Have a great day too😊
Assuming this video is confirming least some truths. Vader/Anakin mistakenly was adhering to and following dogma he sympathized with in BOTH cases. He was just acutely aware of the Jedi while being a slave an time's strait denying the Truth of the Darkside. If there was some MAJOR issues with Vader... it was his great sense of arrogant entitlement... something NO ONE should EVER be allowed to think for extended periods. No good ever comes from that.
Anakin Skywalker fulfilled the Chosen One Prophecy. One Master, one Apprentice. One Dark, one Light. He returned balance to the Force as the prophecy foretold. Prophecies don't have to turn out as expected. "If Sparta goes to war with Persia; a king will die." They just have to turn out true; from a certain point of view.
There's one glaring problem with the chosen one prophecy. To bring balance to the force you have to admit it's out of balance and with no sith (that the jedi knew of) there was no imbalance In the force to correct. So basically jedi didn't really think there was a problem to fix, except for yoda and a couple of other masters that noticed that there was a fog in the force making it hard to read but never really knowing why. They knew possibly there was a sith out there (due to maul) but even then "only 2 there are" meaning a temple of jedi should be more than equal to the challenge.
The Sith may have been the cause of imbalance because Darkness has always existed. The Sith are blinded by darkness and arrogant with power, which is why the force hated them
@@thecontextual1one411 from a certain point if view your right, but if there's light it cast a shadow, balance isn't absence of dark but dark in the right proportion. Think of it this way, if the force is all present and has sway in the things it interacts with (again everything) why or even how would they allow the jedi to be all but extinguished unless either Jedi had strayed from the forces past or more reasonably it (the force) was balancing itself albeit in a way that most living beings wouldn't understand. Vader did bring balance to the force it just wasn't In a way anyone was expecting. He either made it so the light matched the dark or more likely created the 2 people that would be instrumental in bringing down sidious.
I actually think he did bring balance in the end. Jedi were slowly being corrupt with power because of the war. The Sith were controlling everyone. Anakin had to do evil to get close to Palpatine.
The problem with the jedi is that they believed they had balance, when in fact they've lost touch with reality. It's an unfortunate fact that the old always do. It's the duty of the new to destroy the old before it becomes cancerous. It's the duty of the old to fill the new with soul before it dies.
Well lemme say that 2 Siths - 10 000 Jedi Isn't what would pass as "balanced" Neither is 0 Siths - 10 000 Jedi But, after order 66 there's roughly 2 Siths (Sidious, Vader) - 2 Jedi (Obi, Yoda) + 1 Not Exactly A Sith Anymore (Maul) + 1 Not Exactly A Jedi Anymore (Ahsoka) Which is what fits the definition of "balanced" pretty darn well. 2+1 = 1+2 Seems pretty perfectly balanced, as everything should be.
Anakin was the chosen one. He destroyed the Jedi Order which had been corrupted by politics. He then later did infact destroy the sith when he destroyed the Emperor. He also brought about Luke Skywalker who in the end rebuilt the temple and the pure Jedi.
“He ended the Clone Wars” and stopped the Jedi. He “has brought balance to the Force”. He can overthrow Palpatine. He is stronger than him. And he will rule the galaxy and fix all of its problems. That how Anakin believed that he had and would bring balance to the Force. Through ending wars and all that stand in his way of galactic rule as is his destiny, his right as the most powerful, the Chosen One. That is how Anakin / Vader believed that he had fulfilled the prophecy. That it was all about power. In reality, it was never about ruling the galaxy. It was about self sacrifice, love, empathy, helping those in need as the remedy to the complete inverse. And so he lost half of his potential, his wife, his children, and would never be a master or a ruler. And his children would be born with his potential and work to heal that which he had ruined and save him from the bondage of the Darkside so that he could fulfill the prophecy by overthrowing his master (his decades long goal) but at the cost of his chance to rule and life. It’s not about power, it’s what’s in your heart and making the right choices to oppose evil for the sake of others. Like the Jedi of his error forgot and he never knew.
4:37 did Lord Vader ever try to turn any Jedi that had known Anakin to the dark side or was there ever a fanboy like club of Jedi or Jedi younglings that were following the ideas of Anakin?
The Sith tried to bend the force to their will , and the jedi didn't ? That's not correct . The jedi tried to eradicate the dark side . The jedi tried to eradicate any dark side user that they found . The jedi felt that they knew better than the force itself what was right and what was wrong . The jedi were worse than the Sith because the Sith didn't say one thing then did do another . ( except for Palpatine ) . The jedi were hypocrites .
I think Anakin was crazy, not evil like Palpatine. I do not believe Vader ever existed, it is just Ankin evolving and de-evolving for 20+ years. There is no way to acomplish balance through a Sith phylosophy, but he is right when he thinks that the Jedi are part of the problem, supporting the Empire before being the Empire officialy, invading Geonosis and being responsible for billions of dead people for years due to ideals that did no exist.
Ironic. The Jedi Order created Vader, their own demise. Vader was the Force's way of punishing the Order for their arrogance. For Vader, the ends justified the means. At whatever cost.
What exactly does "balanced" mean? In terms of numbers, does 2 to 10 000 seem balanced? Does 0 to 10 000 seem balanced? No 1 to 1 ratio is balanced. 0 to 0 is balanced. 2 to 2 is balanced. 10 000 to 10 000 is balanced. Right after he turned there already was balance - two jedi, two siths, one former sith and one former jedi. It stayed like that for the most part, even when Luke became a Jedi - Obi wan Died. Later when Yoda died, Vader was no longer a Sith anymore, and was somewhere between Anakin and Vader. No wonder everyone went to shit in the new trilogy of sequels, as there was only Luke (jedi) and he tried to rebuild the order while there was no counter to balance it. The best course of action Luke could take after Palps and Vader died was to die aswell lol. It would come down to 0-0 and balance woult it be.
Balance also means harmony. The Force is in harmony when it isn't being manipulated, abused or enslaved by the Dark Side. Therefore the Force is in balance when the Dark Side and Sith are dead. It isn't just mathematics. This is philosophical. It's like Force being a pristine forest, the dark side being an oil spill. return the forest to pristine you must remove the oil spill.
@@scottb3034 Ummm... no i'm pretty sure balance means balance. Yin & Yang. Black and white. Sunday prayin' and saturday sluttin'. Harmony is one side of the balance, Entropy is the other side of the balance. Chaos and Order. I'm pretty sure having only one side of the coin is the exact opposite of balance, no matter which side that is. Balance means duality. Equality. Dichotomy of good an evil. That's balance. Example: For good balance in your life you need a healthy diet, and a cheating day where you eat fastfood like a pig. Abstinance throughout the week and drinking till you're wasted on friday night. Family values, love & care... ...and a side chick for an affair.
@@Kebab136 as I said there are multiple meanings of balance. In a religious context it doesn't always mean yin & yang. Don't lecture me about things you don't understand. The dark side is not a natural part of the Force. Meaning it didn't exist from the beginning. It arose when the Jedi splintered into the Sith. It is just like how mankind can throw the balance of nature into chaos when it encroaches. Only when that presence is gone can order return and balance be restored.
@@scottb3034 "The dark side is not a natural part of the Force." aaand here's where you lost me, it literally is. You know, Mortis gods... the SON? Also Jedi didn't splinter into the Sith, original Sith were a race of force sensitive warriors that discovered that through passion they can get more power, and that is before they even knew what a Jedi is. They would only later be discovered by Dark Jedi who were exiled. Also it's not like Dark Jedi invented the dark side, they discovered it, it was always there. Also yeah, mankind can thhrow the balance of nature into chaos but that brings nothing to the topic of the discussion as a) mankind literally is a part of said balance, death is also part of that balance, and b) what you're describing is literally proving my point as it requires mankind to go all-in-apeshit-destructive or in other words tip the scale to one side. Guess what: removing all predators and all of humanity simultaneously right now would also break the balance. And lastly, you bringing religion to the topic like religion has anything reasonable to say about anything is pointless. God doesn't exist, there's no such thing as objectively good and objectively wrong in nature, the force in the SW universe is a part of forces of nature, like gravity, while religion is what you could compare to the Jedi order, and as we all saw, Jedi order wasn't flawless and Jedi order doens't represent all of the forcem only one side of it. Same goes with religion, it's everything but flawless, it's everything but objective good, and religious stories have as much cover in reality as any other fantasy tale. Actually, i change my mind, you brought something productive to the discussion. Religious meaning of balance is what you say, and since Jedi were a religion, as we could see, they shared the view and their meaning of "balance" was right about the same... and in both cases it was simply a wrong meaning lol. There's only one objectively correct meaning of balance, which by definition goes like this: 1. An even distribution of weight enabling someone or something to remain upright and steady. 2. A situation in which different elements are equal or in the correct proportions. 3. A counteracting weight or force. 4. A figure representing the difference between credits and debits in an account; the amount of money held in an account. In other words, balance literally means opposive forces, equal distribution, or a difference between two things. ANYTHING one sides is by definition NOT balance. That's also why Jedi order lost, because of their faulty dogmatic views they dared to think that "balance" means "all light, no dark/ all good, no bad", but their views wouldn't chnge reality, and reality was that Anakin did literally what he was supposed to do: he brought balance. Whether they like that definition or not, it was the only correct definition. They brought their own doom by their own arrogance. Further more, i dare to say that thousands of years without any Sith in sight is what brought them to the state of such arrogance, pride and clouded vision, and that's what doomed them. Or in other words, thousands of years *without balance* is what made Jedi order to become corrupted and flawed in such ways and eventually brought them to their demise. The simple fact that the Jedi order was so giant and full of themselves without any threat, any Sith in sight, was off-balance and that was their doom. See? No matter how i put it balance means not what you'd like it to be. Balance is balance, period.
@@scottb3034 What was that again about "lecturing about things you don't understand"? Argument about religious context of balance was actually good, that really helped me to put it into perspective for you, as Jedi order surely would fit the definition of a religion and would share similar views. Like Palps would say: "Ironic." :)
Not that shocking. YES, Anakin viewed the Jedi as betraying him and the way of the Sith was the only true way to retain peace and unity. Oh and he resented them for not trusting him too All played nicely into Sidious's manipulation 😈 2005 - SW Episode III ; Chanellor Palpetine/Darth Sidious : Listen to me, dont continue to be a pawn of the jedi council!
At 2'50 - failed Dogma destroyed the Jedi Order. A dogma that became instantly useless when Bane discretely created the Rule of Two. The fact that Yoda realised way way too late that the Sith were alive and had been for a thousand years. Yoda realised this when fighting Sidious. The immortal words of author Matt Stover: the Light just didn’t have it. In fact, it never had it. Modern Day Christianity is following this same destructive path.
you know the prophecy of the chosen one destined to bring balance to the force never say anything about him being a Jedi or sith but something even much more a force wilder/force user also if the force trained Anakin Skywalker he could have been like I said everything I said The Stupendous Wave please make a what if about that please
It’s kinda assumed to have something to do with the light side in this specific situation because Sidious and his master were descending so far in the darkness as well as the power they were amassing behind the scenes the universe was shifted and then pushed out Anakin out to eventually be the catalyst to eventually shift it back in balance. But I see your point. Tbh Darth Bane could be an example of what you’re saying. The Sith were on the receiving end of the Jedi for many years and constantly failed due to their own ambition that the light in the universe was dominant. Then the Sith Ari came and rebuilt the Sith over the course of decades after his death better than they ever were
Pretty much all the Jedi not named Qui-Gon believed that the Order was perfect, and a balanced Force involved the Jedi surviving unchanged. Turns out, the Force is bigger than a collection of government officials, and might require them to be wiped away.
There are a lot of things I don’t like about Disney Star Wars, but I do like the idea that Anakin had to encompass all aspects of the Force in one person, and ascend to be a Mortis god.
fun fact: Anakin lived Half of his life in the light and half of it in the dark. He Turned to the Dark at 22 and fell to save Luke at 45.
My opinion: This makes him a perfect balance in the force and the thing that makes him powerful is He nearly completely covered himself in the Dark side for someone else and not himself, and returned to the light for someone else and not himself. Each shift was selfless. He never initially wanted to rule anything. He just wanted Padme to live, just like he wanted his son to live. You look at the history of the Sith and you can see clearly, Vader is NOT like the others. He is strong. He seeks power in his aimless years (No purpose but to serve Palp after Padme's death) till he learns of the name of a rebel. Then he changes. becomes Focused/distracted. Even Palp calls him out on wanting to search of Luke all the time till he mentions turning him to the dark.
It is MY head cannon that Vader never intended to defeat Luke on the deathstar II. I think his intentions were to turn Luke to his side so they could both or at least Luke could defeat the Emperor. He could feel how strong Luke was and knew that If he could turn him and make him angery like when he turned, it would give him a boost in power to may be enough to defeat Palp. In the end, I think it was Luke choosing not to fight that reminded Anakin that he ALWAYS has a choice and the power is his to make any choice he wanted and in the end, he couldn't save Padme but it was within his power to Save his son and he Chose to sacrifice himself. That's just my dream scenario.
The Chosen One Prophecy was truly misread by the Jedi Order like Master Yoda had said in ROTS. The Chosen One definitely did bring balance to the Force by destroying BOTH the Jedi and the Sith. After his purpose (Destiny) was fulfilled, the Chosen One became one with the Force at the end of ROTJ.
Lucas has explicitly said the Sith are the cause of the imbalance, though. Not the Jedi.
@@gundamleviathan5760 Where is balance? If there is only the narrow dogmatic view of the Jedi? Excess on either spectrum would cause imbalance in the Force, that’s my point.
@@kookuclock It doesn't though. How can too much Light Side be a bad thing? Lucas understood that. Are you saying you know more than the man who made the fucking thing?
@@gundamleviathan5760 No I’m not saying that 😂😂 I’m just going off the fact of what the definition of “balance” is and what it truly means. I love Lucas (not Disney) and all of us true Star Wars acolytes, I’m just speaking my opinion at the end of the day just like you are brother. Cheers 🍻
@@gundamleviathan5760star wars at its core is a very childish and simple premise. Good guys wear white, evil wear black 😂
I mean, he's partially right on some points. The Jedi were supposed to serve only the will of the force, to listen to it and let it guide their every action. Maintaining balance in the force and following its commands should have been their sole purpose. But by the time of the Clone Wars, the Jedi were servants, not of the Force but of the Republic government. They had become too intertwined with the Republic and politics and had indeed become dogmatic. Qui-Gon did his best to follow the will of the Force and was shunned because of it. Obi-Wan ironically said it best when he told Anakin that his allegiance was to the Republic, to Democracy! His allegiance should have been to the Force and to its will, not to a government or its systems. If the Jedi had been doing what they were supposed to have been doing then they never would have been blinded by the dark side and Palpatine would have never been able to fool them so utterly.
Man I love star wars so much l watch it every day
Nice. You often hear the Chosen One Prophecy from the Jedi since it is theirs, but this is very interesting and really adds some depth to the character of Darth Vader. Usually you just see him as this depressed, enraged Sith Lord who has lost everything and then turns his anger into endless killing. Vader is also not typically portrayed as having much of a goal, other than blasting his pain at anyone who increases it by focusing his rage, but yet this proves otherwise. Darth Vader, like Anakin (since they are one and the same, just drawing from separate ends of the same Wellspring of The Force), actually thought and actually developed a philosophy of his own rooted in the Dark Side, making him a stronger Sith Lord. Not that I am pro or against Jedi, but it was the will of The Force for a time, but new life springs forth. Perhaps one day we will see if not universal balance in The Force achieved by some means, at least the main Galaxy of the Star Wars canon. It would be interesting to see what Galaxy wide all force-sensitives in perfect balance, not compelled, seduced, nor restricted to Light nor Dark Side. Could it last?
TL;DR: Nice!
He will become the father and the true balance
If Anyone is interested i would like to start a small discussion, anakin was the chosen one, but what if after he destroyed the sith instead of fully embracing the light if he went back to the dark side, deeper into it in fact and then rebuilt the order stronger than before fulfilling the prophecy of the sith ari, so is it possible in that sense he could potentially be the chosen one and the sith ari? Something I’ve always been curious about
Considering the Chosen One was ultimately driven to protect his own and willing to sacrifice the galaxy to do it. I think the Jedi weren't wary enough of him. But that's hindsight.
I still believe balance was destroying both sides
Isn’t that what George says?
@@kaidorade1317 I don't remember but it's what makes the most sense. I don't like the narrative that only the sith abused the force it's clear that by Anakin's time the jedi was just as corrupt and abusive as the sith. They were going against Anakin being the chosen one which means they were against the force.
@@diamantemrobinson exactly. They said they believed in the prophecy yet held him back. They should have allowed him to embrace his power
@@kaidorade1317 yeah they were major hypocrites who trusted they own ideals and dogma over the force.
At one point he did say they were 2 sides of the same coin, that you can't have light without dark and vice versa.
this is such an interesting video, good job, guys 🤝
Anakin/Vader actually has a point, from a certain point of view. If the Jedi believe in letting the Force define the balance, and the Sith believe in tipping the scales to achieve a desired result, maybe there’s a middle road that works for the better.
Like allowing the Will of the Force to dominate as often as possible, but also taking action to adjust the balance of the Force, either to correct imbalance or to prepare against calamity.
He’s half right- but then so were the Jedi. The right solution perhaps would have been for both Sith and Jedi too be wiped out and replaced with something new that acknowledged the Dark Side, personal will and attachments without becoming evil and while also still acknowledging the Light, duty, service, protection and healing etc. I don’t like what Disney have done with the films, but I do like the direction they’ve taken Anakin as a being who can do just that- acknowledge and use both sides of the Force without being evil. Luke’s New Jedi Order was supposed to be that as well- to an extent- but Disney had to retcon that.
Don't know about that using both sides of the force without being evil part considering the man murdered a few dozen children
@@blue_dreamed5141 I’m talking about his appearance in Ashoka. He’s no longer evil but he can still use the Dark Side.
@@blue_dreamed5141he may have done that believing it to be an act of mercy rather than out of malice. Imagine what the emperor might’ve done to the younglings if they were taken prisoner instead.
The new Republic Navy should not have demilitarised but instead pivoted it's doctrine to a more carrier based one using the x-wing and the venator class starship for inspiration. One carrier with x-wing's can patrol multiple systems this combined with a modernised multi purpose rapid response fleet able to respond to various emergencies ranging from humanitarian, diplomatic ect. Kind regards from Daniel Harman.
Anakin should of listened to Mace Windu to stay at temple, then it would be a happily ever after
It's been a bit since I've heard the Chosen One profacy word for word, but being the Chosen One of the Force doesn't necessarily mean you are a Jedi specifically. I think Aniken was the Chosen One and fulfilled the profacy by destroying both the Jedi AND Sith by his own hand, and allowing a new start.
Vader did bring balance to the jedi as when Luce made new jedi order thay used the light and dark side.
If thay did that when Anakin became a jedi he would of never become a sith.
So he did what he needed to do killing the lot of them.
It had to be done
I thought it was brilliant seeing Anikan in Asohka as the Mortis god. THAT is the fulfillment of the prophecy of The One.
you didn´t spell their names right
If they were behaving as they were just a few millennia earlier, then it would not have meant their annihilation. But they were using the force to do the bidding of The Senate. So, when The Senate became one person - and a Sith to boot - yeah, both had to go.
I think that too much light blinded the Jedi to their flaws and to the presence of the dark. Too much darkness leads to the inability to see.
The concept of balance also talks to the issue of politics. Red Vs Blue in the Anglosphere has led people to conflate the parties with the values they espouse. Jedi Vs Sith isn't necessarily light Vs dark unless you ignore the human element completely.
Well did fo fill the proficiency when he took out Palpatine
Not really.
More Sith came after Palpatine.
Until you wipe out everything, true balance can never be achieved.
I see it more as resetting the playing field
I agree. Jedi should have believe him. Support him. Prophecy was fulfilled. Sith were destroyed,and so were Jedi. It needed to happen,cleansing. Then Luke rebulid Jedi Order. Jedi were extremely staled,dogmatic,too political. They served the corrupt Republic,Senate not the Force. They didn't follow it's will. May the Force be with you too. Have a great day too😊
Assuming this video is confirming least some truths. Vader/Anakin mistakenly was adhering to and following dogma he sympathized with in BOTH cases. He was just acutely aware of the Jedi while being a slave an time's strait denying the Truth of the Darkside.
If there was some MAJOR issues with Vader... it was his great sense of arrogant entitlement... something NO ONE should EVER be allowed to think for extended periods. No good ever comes from that.
Anakin Skywalker fulfilled the Chosen One Prophecy.
One Master, one Apprentice.
One Dark, one Light.
He returned balance to the Force as the prophecy foretold. Prophecies don't have to turn out as expected. "If Sparta goes to war with Persia; a king will die." They just have to turn out true; from a certain point of view.
There's one glaring problem with the chosen one prophecy.
To bring balance to the force you have to admit it's out of balance and with no sith (that the jedi knew of) there was no imbalance In the force to correct.
So basically jedi didn't really think there was a problem to fix, except for yoda and a couple of other masters that noticed that there was a fog in the force making it hard to read but never really knowing why.
They knew possibly there was a sith out there (due to maul) but even then "only 2 there are" meaning a temple of jedi should be more than equal to the challenge.
The Sith may have been the cause of imbalance because Darkness has always existed. The Sith are blinded by darkness and arrogant with power, which is why the force hated them
@@thecontextual1one411 from a certain point if view your right, but if there's light it cast a shadow, balance isn't absence of dark but dark in the right proportion.
Think of it this way, if the force is all present and has sway in the things it interacts with (again everything) why or even how would they allow the jedi to be all but extinguished unless either Jedi had strayed from the forces past or more reasonably it (the force) was balancing itself albeit in a way that most living beings wouldn't understand.
Vader did bring balance to the force it just wasn't In a way anyone was expecting.
He either made it so the light matched the dark or more likely created the 2 people that would be instrumental in bringing down sidious.
I actually think he did bring balance in the end. Jedi were slowly being corrupt with power because of the war. The Sith were controlling everyone. Anakin had to do evil to get close to Palpatine.
There is no evidence to the contrary, Anakin is, was, and always will be the chosen one.
I personaly think the whole prophesy thing is bs, i mean jedi and sith wasnt the only ones who use the force..
Nice video
The problem with the jedi is that they believed they had balance, when in fact they've lost touch with reality. It's an unfortunate fact that the old always do.
It's the duty of the new to destroy the old before it becomes cancerous. It's the duty of the old to fill the new with soul before it dies.
Anakin/Vader was right. Through it all, the will of The Force was carried out and brought to fruition.
Well lemme say that
2 Siths - 10 000 Jedi
Isn't what would pass as "balanced"
Neither is
0 Siths - 10 000 Jedi
But, after order 66 there's roughly
2 Siths (Sidious, Vader) - 2 Jedi (Obi, Yoda) + 1 Not Exactly A Sith Anymore (Maul) + 1 Not Exactly A Jedi Anymore (Ahsoka)
Which is what fits the definition of "balanced" pretty darn well.
2+1 = 1+2
Seems pretty perfectly balanced, as everything should be.
Anakin was the chosen one. He destroyed the Jedi Order which had been corrupted by politics. He then later did infact destroy the sith when he destroyed the Emperor. He also brought about Luke Skywalker who in the end rebuilt the temple and the pure Jedi.
“He ended the Clone Wars” and stopped the Jedi. He “has brought balance to the Force”. He can overthrow Palpatine. He is stronger than him. And he will rule the galaxy and fix all of its problems.
That how Anakin believed that he had and would bring balance to the Force. Through ending wars and all that stand in his way of galactic rule as is his destiny, his right as the most powerful, the Chosen One.
That is how Anakin / Vader believed that he had fulfilled the prophecy. That it was all about power.
In reality, it was never about ruling the galaxy. It was about self sacrifice, love, empathy, helping those in need as the remedy to the complete inverse. And so he lost half of his potential, his wife, his children, and would never be a master or a ruler. And his children would be born with his potential and work to heal that which he had ruined and save him from the bondage of the Darkside so that he could fulfill the prophecy by overthrowing his master (his decades long goal) but at the cost of his chance to rule and life.
It’s not about power, it’s what’s in your heart and making the right choices to oppose evil for the sake of others. Like the Jedi of his error forgot and he never knew.
4:37 did Lord Vader ever try to turn any Jedi that had known Anakin to the dark side or was there ever a fanboy like club of Jedi or Jedi younglings that were following the ideas of Anakin?
I guess that "Chosen One" stuff really went to his head. How convenient of Darth Vader to try to "whitewash" his sins and horrific deeds.
I still believe the balance factor Anakin "brought" was the birth of Luke and Leia.
It’s cause they kept sith artifacts under the temple and it deceived them
Yeah, maybe telling a kid that he's the chosen one of prophecy wasn't the best idea in retrospect.
The Sith tried to bend the force to their will , and the jedi didn't ?
That's not correct .
The jedi tried to eradicate the dark side .
The jedi tried to eradicate any dark side user that they found .
The jedi felt that they knew better than the force itself what was right and what was wrong .
The jedi were worse than the Sith because the Sith didn't say one thing then did do another .
( except for Palpatine ) .
The jedi were hypocrites .
Ask the people not the force who was worse, the Jedi or the Sith when the Empire had its 20 plus year reign!
Well said brother and the Jedi were weak in not using passion and strength to achieve power
This take is waaaay off.
I mean...
He brought balance, then KK threw the scales across the room and made it lame and gay
100% 👏
hubris
I think Anakin was crazy, not evil like Palpatine. I do not believe Vader ever existed, it is just Ankin evolving and de-evolving for 20+ years. There is no way to acomplish balance through a Sith phylosophy, but he is right when he thinks that the Jedi are part of the problem, supporting the Empire before being the Empire officialy, invading Geonosis and being responsible for billions of dead people for years due to ideals that did no exist.
Ironic. The Jedi Order created Vader, their own demise. Vader was the Force's way of punishing the Order for their arrogance. For Vader, the ends justified the means. At whatever cost.
What exactly does "balanced" mean? In terms of numbers, does 2 to 10 000 seem balanced? Does 0 to 10 000 seem balanced? No 1 to 1 ratio is balanced. 0 to 0 is balanced. 2 to 2 is balanced. 10 000 to 10 000 is balanced. Right after he turned there already was balance - two jedi, two siths, one former sith and one former jedi. It stayed like that for the most part, even when Luke became a Jedi - Obi wan Died. Later when Yoda died, Vader was no longer a Sith anymore, and was somewhere between Anakin and Vader.
No wonder everyone went to shit in the new trilogy of sequels, as there was only Luke (jedi) and he tried to rebuild the order while there was no counter to balance it. The best course of action Luke could take after Palps and Vader died was to die aswell lol. It would come down to 0-0 and balance woult it be.
Balance also means harmony. The Force is in harmony when it isn't being manipulated, abused or enslaved by the Dark Side. Therefore the Force is in balance when the Dark Side and Sith are dead. It isn't just mathematics. This is philosophical.
It's like Force being a pristine forest, the dark side being an oil spill. return the forest to pristine you must remove the oil spill.
@@scottb3034 Ummm... no i'm pretty sure balance means balance. Yin & Yang. Black and white. Sunday prayin' and saturday sluttin'. Harmony is one side of the balance, Entropy is the other side of the balance. Chaos and Order.
I'm pretty sure having only one side of the coin is the exact opposite of balance, no matter which side that is. Balance means duality. Equality. Dichotomy of good an evil. That's balance.
Example:
For good balance in your life you need a healthy diet, and a cheating day where you eat fastfood like a pig.
Abstinance throughout the week and drinking till you're wasted on friday night.
Family values, love & care...
...and a side chick for an affair.
@@Kebab136 as I said there are multiple meanings of balance. In a religious context it doesn't always mean yin & yang. Don't lecture me about things you don't understand.
The dark side is not a natural part of the Force. Meaning it didn't exist from the beginning. It arose when the Jedi splintered into the Sith. It is just like how mankind can throw the balance of nature into chaos when it encroaches. Only when that presence is gone can order return and balance be restored.
@@scottb3034 "The dark side is not a natural part of the Force." aaand here's where you lost me, it literally is. You know, Mortis gods... the SON?
Also Jedi didn't splinter into the Sith, original Sith were a race of force sensitive warriors that discovered that through passion they can get more power, and that is before they even knew what a Jedi is. They would only later be discovered by Dark Jedi who were exiled. Also it's not like Dark Jedi invented the dark side, they discovered it, it was always there.
Also yeah, mankind can thhrow the balance of nature into chaos but that brings nothing to the topic of the discussion as a) mankind literally is a part of said balance, death is also part of that balance, and b) what you're describing is literally proving my point as it requires mankind to go all-in-apeshit-destructive or in other words tip the scale to one side. Guess what: removing all predators and all of humanity simultaneously right now would also break the balance.
And lastly, you bringing religion to the topic like religion has anything reasonable to say about anything is pointless. God doesn't exist, there's no such thing as objectively good and objectively wrong in nature, the force in the SW universe is a part of forces of nature, like gravity, while religion is what you could compare to the Jedi order, and as we all saw, Jedi order wasn't flawless and Jedi order doens't represent all of the forcem only one side of it. Same goes with religion, it's everything but flawless, it's everything but objective good, and religious stories have as much cover in reality as any other fantasy tale.
Actually, i change my mind, you brought something productive to the discussion. Religious meaning of balance is what you say, and since Jedi were a religion, as we could see, they shared the view and their meaning of "balance" was right about the same... and in both cases it was simply a wrong meaning lol. There's only one objectively correct meaning of balance, which by definition goes like this:
1. An even distribution of weight enabling someone or something to remain upright and steady.
2. A situation in which different elements are equal or in the correct proportions.
3. A counteracting weight or force.
4. A figure representing the difference between credits and debits in an account; the amount of money held in an account.
In other words, balance literally means opposive forces, equal distribution, or a difference between two things.
ANYTHING one sides is by definition NOT balance. That's also why Jedi order lost, because of their faulty dogmatic views they dared to think that "balance" means "all light, no dark/ all good, no bad", but their views wouldn't chnge reality, and reality was that Anakin did literally what he was supposed to do: he brought balance. Whether they like that definition or not, it was the only correct definition. They brought their own doom by their own arrogance.
Further more, i dare to say that thousands of years without any Sith in sight is what brought them to the state of such arrogance, pride and clouded vision, and that's what doomed them. Or in other words, thousands of years *without balance* is what made Jedi order to become corrupted and flawed in such ways and eventually brought them to their demise. The simple fact that the Jedi order was so giant and full of themselves without any threat, any Sith in sight, was off-balance and that was their doom.
See? No matter how i put it balance means not what you'd like it to be. Balance is balance, period.
@@scottb3034 What was that again about "lecturing about things you don't understand"? Argument about religious context of balance was actually good, that really helped me to put it into perspective for you, as Jedi order surely would fit the definition of a religion and would share similar views.
Like Palps would say: "Ironic." :)
I resent being referred tae as a "parasite".
That was rude.
Not that shocking. YES, Anakin viewed the Jedi as betraying him and the way of the Sith was the only true way to retain peace and unity.
Oh and he resented them for not trusting him too
All played nicely into Sidious's manipulation 😈
2005 - SW Episode III ;
Chanellor Palpetine/Darth Sidious : Listen to me, dont continue to be a pawn of the jedi council!
My crazy Star Wars theory: Anakin knows he has plot armor.
Day 335 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
NNNNNNOOOOOOO
The jedi had it coming and got what they deserved .
At 2'50 - failed Dogma destroyed the Jedi Order. A dogma that became instantly useless when Bane discretely created the Rule of Two.
The fact that Yoda realised way way too late that the Sith were alive and had been for a thousand years. Yoda realised this when fighting Sidious.
The immortal words of author Matt Stover: the Light just didn’t have it.
In fact, it never had it.
Modern Day Christianity is following this same destructive path.
Based
you know the prophecy of the chosen one destined to bring balance to the force never say anything about him being a Jedi or sith but something even much more a force wilder/force user also if the force trained Anakin Skywalker he could have been like I said everything I said The Stupendous Wave please make a what if about that please
It’s kinda assumed to have something to do with the light side in this specific situation because Sidious and his master were descending so far in the darkness as well as the power they were amassing behind the scenes the universe was shifted and then pushed out Anakin out to eventually be the catalyst to eventually shift it back in balance. But I see your point. Tbh Darth Bane could be an example of what you’re saying. The Sith were on the receiving end of the Jedi for many years and constantly failed due to their own ambition that the light in the universe was dominant. Then the Sith Ari came and rebuilt the Sith over the course of decades after his death better than they ever were
@@Supreme0757 but if you remember in the mortis arc anakin tamed and subdue the son and the daughter not as a Jedi nor sith but as a force wielder
The Chosen One is always the corniest, weakest plot/character device.
Pure arrogance.