I was hoping you would make a video about this map one day, and I have to say you covered its history very well. Was a pleasure to watch! 13:13 is still one of the most painful moments of my life. Before this, I hadn’t really fully committed to the map, but this time I was really going for it. I was going for that “knockout” run as you perfectly described in the video; and this was the run. I remember seeing -0.17 on my current PB in the checkpoint after the poles, and after that my vision started to fade. My body could not handle it. I think it meant a little too much for me at the time. Next thing I know I have crashed on a spot I had never crashed on before. Then I just find myself sitting on my bed, dying a little bit inside, refusing to believe what had just happened. With that said, I can’t stretch enough how strong Tasty’s run is. Truly an amazing achievement and I’m so happy we got to see a 53.7x in the end :)
@@brandonm1708 ? lost his password for 7 months, kinda doubt that, id guess its just way too much work when he can go live on twitch and get way more money than he already needs
"ok but guys did you know the pyramids couldn't have been built by piling the stones one on top of the other by using a ramp going around the pyramid because of the calculations needed to build a symmetrically optimised pyramid??? It's obvious this type of ramp wasn't an option that's why it's much more likely that green little aliens came on Earth 3000 years ago to build the pyramids and then left without saying a word" -Wirtual in at least half of his streams
@@kyokyo718 when it comes down to it, the technical drivers should appreciate the precision he had in that run. yeah fast lines and pixel perfect is a thing, but you have to use that same level of skill when doing those stunt runs as well. you need to bounce the car just right, you need to bump that wall perfectly in the right spot and angle. it's ALL technical precision, just different directions. its like rallye vs F1. both are at the extremes of automotive insanity, but both are equally perfect
Fun fact: frostbeule was also a very good mario kart time trialer, holding world records in several games. One of his most notable accomplishments was getting the first 1:09 on Luigi Circuit within the first 2 weeks of Mario Kart Wii’s release!
The time off really improved on Wirtual's video quality related to previous criticisms. This time he actually showed a whole run through in the beginning. The math tho KEKW, 700/500000 is 0.0014 or 0.14% , not 0.0014%. Great video as per usual!
This must have been intentional, he has explained how the mistakes like these (he made one a while back, don't remember a video exactly) get people triggered and therefore, more watches, more comments, more discussion and in the end - more money :)
The production value of these videos is something i don't see people talking about enough. These are beautifully made and edited to perfection. Spectacular work Wirtual
Human limit?? These idiots used computers to tell them how to do things because they have zero talent themselves. These are the same idiots that use aimbots and wall hacks in COD just so they can post videos and make money. Players like this are trash and should be banned.
@IonRuby habibi 💀 abi 💀 there are 8 (八) billion (कोटि कोटि) people (ხალხი) on this planet 💀 that speak hundreds of languages you don’t even know about and English is not even the biggest, 兄弟. Respect my чувак for his wish to write in the language you understand.
The way wirtual narrates this is just perfect. Pure focus on the runs. Straight forward plus Storytelling. A pleasure to watch for true long term TM fans
I asked tastyy how much time he spend on hockolicious. He told me it cost him like 1500 hours on this track alone lol. The madman literally sacrificed his life for the wr. Absolute legend. RIP tastyy, spend 1500 hours for wr just for it to get cut.
Cool narration! I have to say I'm on the side of those who would like the shortcut-WRs to be listed separately. What makes Trackmania even interesting in the first place (to many) is its amazing flow. Those shortcut runs by contrast are as unflowy as it gets
I love how this start with the importance of flow and how all good maps need a good flow just to throw it out the window and end about how the real objective is to go fast as possible, flow be damned.
Dude, I discovered your chanel around 2020, when the new game released and I binged all your documentaries since then, but imo this video is your best one yet. The map, the players, the clash between cut and non cut history and the way you told that cooked up I think the most beautiful and complete representation of the game's community you could ever do. Incredible work !
I have not played a single minute of Trackmania in my life but my god I love your videos about this game. I actually love watching these videos. Thank you so much for the content you make.
The editing in this was spectacular. Specifically, the zoom-in to the drift around the pole at 10:13 astounded me, and gave me a more profound appreciation for the difficulty of the run. Wonderful documentary all around!
My guy, you are such a captivating storyteller it is unreal. I haven’t played TM in years, and here I am watching 30min long videos back-to-back because it feels like I’m watching a professional documentary.
He remembered his main channel password! Haven't gotten through the whole video yet, but I anticipate amazing work thought the entire video like we've come to expect.
I've never played a single second of this game and never watched it nor am I familiar with any of the history, but I love the videos on this channel. You have a super relaxing voice and I find the depth of the competition and drama behind these videos amazing.
In a video I watched on his second channel the other day there was something on screen that said "hello to people that like to go to sleep to these videos" lmao
The best thing is I have no fckin idea about the trackmania game, but those vids are so awesome - im watching them all. Its fascinating how some of the players dedicate themselves for this, its fascinating what a community this is - AWESOME
I can't disagree more. The cut wr has to string together a handful of difficult tricks while maintaining momentum. The massive gap between the 1st and 2nd time are a testament to the new skill ceiling. How many people were within a tenth, or even a hundredth of the old way? Now we have a clear winner, who decimated the rest of the competition with arguably the most technical way of driving. It's about tech after all, isn't it?
I personally admire the cut WR more, all the ingenuity of finding the ideal path with AI technology, trying it out with TAS, then practicing it, and finally managing a good run with all the insane tricks required, is such an impressive task. I'm not saying the no cut WR wasn't impressive, it was damn near the human limit, which is exactly why the cut was found.
Wirtual this is a work of art! What a wonderful video, I loved the music choice for this episode. And all throughout, narration and editing were insane. All the visuals of the racelines and the runs transitioning one into another when fast forwarding a few years. Really amazing. Also one of the greatest things in my opinion is that you give it time to breathe, there's cinematic parts that have no narration and just.. flow I'm really looking forward to the future videos coming to this channel !
God I love that line... "And then... he got this run on XXX." Something epic always follows. Love the content, the crew(props editors WOP WOP) and the attitude. Very wholesome, keep it up. I wish health upon you brother!
These are the coolest videos to watch imho. To watch as you detail the history of the world record hunt on a map is enticing. You and your editors keep being awesome! ❤
Hey Wirtual, I just wanted to point out a serious math mistake at 5:27 . It should be 0.14% instead of 0.0014%. You might have forgotten to multiply the result by 100 to get the percentage number after calculating it
Fantastic documentary as always. Just wanna go on record: the music you're all vibing too is from Art of Rally - and is all as amazing as the tracks chosen here
Videos like this telling stories of perseverance mean so much to me. I'm sitting here at GDQ watching this video and I wouldn't be able to be here without the inspiration from great runners of all sorts of games, and from videos like these. Thank you so much Wirtual for the inspiration you provide!
I understand the goal is to go as fast as possible in trackmania but theres just something so much more impressive about Tastys record than the cut way to me.
Yea I would rather watch a slower run that has a nice flow , pixel perfect corners than someone crawling over barriers and clipping through floor 😂😂😂 . They should make the order in wich the checkpoints get approached fixed
Most major speedrunning communities have separate leaderboards for glitched and glitchless runs. I feel Trackmania Exchange would benefit from separating the leaderboads much the same way. I don't know much about Trackmania other than what Wirtual uploads (and I played the recent console release for a few hours), but it's clear that the track loses something when it's cut the way it has been here. Tech players who aren't interested in cutting the track are completely left behind, and being erased from the history books, by the people gladly doing so. And FWO waiting (or trying to anyway) to reveal that they cut the track until they got most of the top spots on the leaderboards is a very toxic way to go about it, in my opinion. Like giving a middle finger to every tech player. Not saying that cutting the track doesn't require player skill, but there's a great deal more luck involved. So the leaderboards should reflect that, since not everyone is on an equal playing field.
@Rob Clifford clipping through the track, which is done here, requires luck. Therefore, not as much player skill is involved since the clip isn't always consistent. Shortcutting the track does require skill, I'm not trying to argue that it doesn't, but shortcut runs should have its own leaderboard separate from those who drive the track 'regularly'. Like I said, there's different categories in most speedrunning communities depending on how the game is run and of course a glitched run (which this is the rough equivalent of) is going to be faster than a glitchless run. With separate leaderboards, tech players can still chase the WR with other tech players instead of unilaterally being forced off the top of the leaderboards, and shortcut players can still find ways to break the track. Both communities win in the end, and you keep competition alive in two different racing styles rather than just one.
@@jethroortega4129 Also not knowing anything about trackmanaia apart from wirtuals channel, it seems tech or cuts are both pushed to the limit in terms of skill. As in, the skill/luck in a pixel perfect cut is not that different in the skill/luck in a pixel perfect race line? Both require a highly skilled player to try it over and over for many hours to make everything come together. Idk, I find both impressive and entertaining to watch, so I agree that it sucks for tech players that they get erased from the top of the leaderboard when a cut is found.
As someone who’s never heard of this game before finding your channel, I gotta say this games competition is insane. The amount of time these guys spend on a single track chasing the perfect run would have me pulling my hair out lol
The most beautiful thing about wirtuals channel is like.. just imagine how many cool stories about trackmania is out there, and even I don't playing that much of that game I can really appreciate the dedication players had and have to beating records and building legends among the community. Very well done guys, that was amazing
I really miss the old ending music. Its emotional, epic and sounds amazing which would add to the watch experience immensly. I just rewatched D07-Race video and that video is special. Not only because the song, but the way you edited and presented the video as a whole felt smooth and well laid out. I also liked the music choice in the middle of the video. The camera panning around the level from different angles while you explain details was great. Legit crying at the end of the video, love it so much
What got me into TM years ago was E02 cuts and how insane they were from all aspects, and I'm happy to learn about this tracks full history and how amazing it is from a tech players pov and from FWOs later. Both incredible in their own ways.
A track that is both tough to play normally and tough to cut. Both are equally needed in skill and both are impressive in their own right. This track deserves it's place as one of the best.
I don’t play this game, never have, but I’ve watched every Wirtual video. They’re like documentaries. The details, info, and narration is perfect. I could watch it 24/7. Only person who could make me watch hours of a game I’ve never touched.
I love a lot of the smaller details that condense information as to not make this 30 minute video into 45-60 minutes. Editing tech at its finest. Great video once again.
Wow man where have you been, discovered this channel and watched every single video. It’s like a rollercoaster journey watching every video with the emotions they put you through. Im so glad he’s back for another video, hope to see you again soon , don’t want to wait for as long as i did again lol. I love this channel 😂
This track was the first tech map i ever played, good memories. The best thing is that i actually almost instantly thought about a cut where you overwall the first turn, similar to how it was eventually done. I was really hyped when i saw a cut being performed, even though it also makes me sad, because the insanely clean no cut runs are not at the top spot that they deserve anymore
I know you make high quality videos because every single video of yours is truly gripping to me and I have never played trackmania in my life nor been interested in it until now
When Wirtual said making main channel videos takes a lot of effort I didn’t realise he meant solving an NP-hard computational problem in order to cut the most prestigious map of the classic leaderboard.
I have never, and probably will never, play this game. But I’ve watched so many of your videos because you are so good at what you do and can make me interested in a topic that I would otherwise have no interest in. Glad you’re still putting out content.
This brings out the feels, man... ESL tracks back then were so goood! I spent so many countless hours practicing every single one of them, damn... Even had a wr for some time back then 😅
I think you kinda misrepresented Tasty's comment, but fun video nonetheless! It's always sick learning about such rich histories on even just a single Trackmania map.
Before i start watching: I am so damn lucky that you made videos on this channel again. I also enjoy sometimes watching you on twitch. But THIS is pure master class, i just love this type of videos. Thanks that you dont "forget" them :)
Damn, I still remember Frostbeule from his world record on Luigi Circuit in Mario Kart Wii all the way back in 2009, I remember watching his WR over and over back in 2011 when I was 12... Definitely a very TrackMania-style WR for the Wii game
I have never EVER played this game. Never even looked to where i can play it. But I’ve seen so many of your videos and the quality of your videos is insane. Keep up the great work.
I'm glad Wirtual still uses his second channel
KEKW
Yeah finally
Yeah
At least we can expect a video once a year so that's good.
LMAO YES
Can we appreciate the fact that racehans literally plays a role in nearly every of wirtuals videos? Truly one of thr greatest in my opinion
He is kind of Wirtual's nemesis at this point.
Nah Hefest 💀
There’s a lot in the folder
I mean there aren't that many top players in the whole game
there aren't many top players crazy enough to do so much record hunting rather than league play
I remember my grandkids telling me about this youtube channel, I feel so grateful that he has returned
we're happy to have you Willem
It's sad though cause now he has a total of 70 videos not 69 😢
@@lxmziken new objective: 420
subto his secondary account he uploads a lot on there :)
900 likes for this anti humour
What I learned about Trackmania watching Wirtual: every single map ever is Trackmania's most hunted track.
No there are much more hunted tracks than this xdd
@@anonymous7704 My point exactly :p
At the time..........
He literally tells you the time frames
Its always the most hunted track somewhere...
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I was hoping you would make a video about this map one day, and I have to say you covered its history very well. Was a pleasure to watch!
13:13 is still one of the most painful moments of my life. Before this, I hadn’t really fully committed to the map, but this time I was really going for it. I was going for that “knockout” run as you perfectly described in the video; and this was the run. I remember seeing -0.17 on my current PB in the checkpoint after the poles, and after that my vision started to fade. My body could not handle it. I think it meant a little too much for me at the time. Next thing I know I have crashed on a spot I had never crashed on before. Then I just find myself sitting on my bed, dying a little bit inside, refusing to believe what had just happened.
With that said, I can’t stretch enough how strong Tasty’s run is. Truly an amazing achievement and I’m so happy we got to see a 53.7x in the end :)
I felt a little heartbroken watching that part and I wasn't even the one playing, can't imagine how it felt for u :(
you are the goat
Legend
GOAT ❤
Bro I don't even play the game, and I audibly gasped when it happened. That's just brutal.
seeing Karjen's god run fail was so heartbreaking
I audibly gasped
I still feel physically ill when I see it, I can't imagine how he feels about it.
Ngl, im kinda surprised he didnt yeet his setup through the window, cause I would have
being karjen after so many years of heartbreaking fails, he's probably damn used to it 💀💀💀
Pulled a wirtual right there
Damn your upload schedule is as consistent as your COTD division
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it’s been 7 months finally a upload 🤣🤣
I understand 1 month uploads but half a year uploads…😁
@@D0qyhe made a community post saying he lost his password
Edit: nvm that was a joke I guess
@@brandonm1708 ? lost his password for 7 months, kinda doubt that, id guess its just way too much work when he can go live on twitch and get way more money than he already needs
wirtual probably has more words said about pyramids on WirtualTV than generally on his whole main channel
"ok but guys did you know the pyramids couldn't have been built by piling the stones one on top of the other by using a ramp going around the pyramid because of the calculations needed to build a symmetrically optimised pyramid??? It's obvious this type of ramp wasn't an option that's why it's much more likely that green little aliens came on Earth 3000 years ago to build the pyramids and then left without saying a word" -Wirtual in at least half of his streams
i mean, of course, this is a trackmania documentary channel
The first Raizo run looked like a fight, the 50.0 looked like a dance.
an absolute cracked shortcut run. perfect bug checkpoint flyby, multiple great wall climbs, and the low air time in the middle of the map was insane.
LMAO
@@kyokyo718 when it comes down to it, the technical drivers should appreciate the precision he had in that run. yeah fast lines and pixel perfect is a thing, but you have to use that same level of skill when doing those stunt runs as well. you need to bounce the car just right, you need to bump that wall perfectly in the right spot and angle. it's ALL technical precision, just different directions. its like rallye vs F1. both are at the extremes of automotive insanity, but both are equally perfect
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Seeing Karjen crash physically sucked the soul out of my body for a moment
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Same bro. I gasped and dropped my phone
Ayo but same
I shouted Noooooo!
I’m happy there’s a video out, but after finishing it, I don’t think I’m ready for another half a year of nothing 😢
i raise you WirtualTV or his twitch steams
He lost his password
@@SkylineLofe I think we all know those just don’t quite hit the same
He just Lost his password that's why je wasn't uploadint
@@SkylineLofe What is WirtualTV?
Fun fact: frostbeule was also a very good mario kart time trialer, holding world records in several games. One of his most notable accomplishments was getting the first 1:09 on Luigi Circuit within the first 2 weeks of Mario Kart Wii’s release!
Thought his name rang a bell
@@poppypug2592 DANG!
The time off really improved on Wirtual's video quality related to previous criticisms. This time he actually showed a whole run through in the beginning.
The math tho KEKW, 700/500000 is 0.0014 or 0.14% , not 0.0014%.
Great video as per usual!
Damn, beat me to it lol
Wirt is known for his horrible math and percentages in his videos LMAO
funnily enough wirt made that exact error in a previous video, writing the decimal answer with a % sign rather than multiplying by 100 first
This must have been intentional, he has explained how the mistakes like these (he made one a while back, don't remember a video exactly) get people triggered and therefore, more watches, more comments, more discussion and in the end - more money :)
i remember him being bad at it, i don't remember it being on purpose, if so that's a power move and i respect it lmao
I love when Wirtual says that a run is “nearly perfect” and I can see there’s still most of the video left.
The production value of these videos is something i don't see people talking about enough. These are beautifully made and edited to perfection. Spectacular work Wirtual
Agreed, especially the shot at 2:44
"He finally achieved what everyone had hoped to see one day. Hockolicious pushed to the human limit."
Looks at video run time. 12 minutes left.
I was waiting for "or was it?"
I was waiting for Hfest to be the next words out of his mouth
To be fair, the cut runs only started because of TAS
Human limit?? These idiots used computers to tell them how to do things because they have zero talent themselves. These are the same idiots that use aimbots and wall hacks in COD just so they can post videos and make money. Players like this are trash and should be banned.
"Hockolicious pushed to the human limit. ...At least, the normal way."
It is always a nice year when wirtual uploads❤
13:16 I can't even imagine that feelings. What a hardbreaking moment for just a human.
@IonRuby Haha😅 I'll just leave it like this)
@IonRuby it sure as hell wasn't softbreaking
@IonRuby habibi 💀 abi 💀 there are 8 (八) billion (कोटि कोटि) people (ხალხი) on this planet 💀 that speak hundreds of languages you don’t even know about and English is not even the biggest, 兄弟. Respect my чувак for his wish to write in the language you understand.
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relax buddy its a videogame.
The slowdown on Karjen's run when he drifts soooo close to the second pillar is fantastic editing detail. Cheers!
The way wirtual narrates this is just perfect. Pure focus on the runs. Straight forward plus Storytelling. A pleasure to watch for true long term TM fans
And newbies alike!
I asked tastyy how much time he spend on hockolicious. He told me it cost him like 1500 hours on this track alone lol. The madman literally sacrificed his life for the wr. Absolute legend.
RIP tastyy, spend 1500 hours for wr just for it to get cut.
And then someone cut it, lmao.
lol rip
@@tastyy4985 The madman himself!
@@tastyy4985 big rip but iconic
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It's crazy how consistant his uploads are. Hats off to you Wirtual
See you in the next year then!
@@R3bel022 weeks
Go to his second account
When we needed him most, he decided to wait a few months then come back
he has another channel yk, this is his second channel
@@mattpatt4976 at this point, this channel is his 2nd channel
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Cool narration! I have to say I'm on the side of those who would like the shortcut-WRs to be listed separately. What makes Trackmania even interesting in the first place (to many) is its amazing flow. Those shortcut runs by contrast are as unflowy as it gets
God damn. Wirtual is such a good storyteller. I've never played this game in my life, but I love these history videos. So cool
Your storytelling skills are impeccable. Huge respect , the skill to retain and entertain a massive viewer base is not something everyone can do
I love how this start with the importance of flow and how all good maps need a good flow just to throw it out the window and end about how the real objective is to go fast as possible, flow be damned.
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Dude, I discovered your chanel around 2020, when the new game released and I binged all your documentaries since then, but imo this video is your best one yet. The map, the players, the clash between cut and non cut history and the way you told that cooked up I think the most beautiful and complete representation of the game's community you could ever do. Incredible work !
it is amazing, how for someone who doesn't play the game, you can make the gameplay so relevant ... so well done... great work.
I have not played a single minute of Trackmania in my life but my god I love your videos about this game. I actually love watching these videos. Thank you so much for the content you make.
The editing in this was spectacular. Specifically, the zoom-in to the drift around the pole at 10:13 astounded me, and gave me a more profound appreciation for the difficulty of the run. Wonderful documentary all around!
yeah, I loved that there was no words as well, just a visual explanation
Congrats on 1 mil! 🎉
He hit that a long time ago
@@Oscwalhard to keep track when you haven't visited the channel in 7 months
"When he got this run" - Wirtual.
What an amazing quote!
I was wondering when it would happen, made us wait like 15 minutes 😂. I like the original “this run” music better though.
My guy, you are such a captivating storyteller it is unreal. I haven’t played TM in years, and here I am watching 30min long videos back-to-back because it feels like I’m watching a professional documentary.
I got so many goosebumps throughout the video, the hype just keeps adding up. I think this is your best documentary yet. Amazing job Wirtual!
I audibly gasped at the ending of that "god run"
So did I :O
Who would've thought I would get so emotionally invested over a video game I don't even play
@@madsmadstm8227 bro stfu u ain't original
I haven't seen that run in a few years and I reacted the same way I did for the first time
He remembered his main channel password! Haven't gotten through the whole video yet, but I anticipate amazing work thought the entire video like we've come to expect.
I've never played a single second of this game and never watched it nor am I familiar with any of the history, but I love the videos on this channel. You have a super relaxing voice and I find the depth of the competition and drama behind these videos amazing.
In a video I watched on his second channel the other day there was something on screen that said "hello to people that like to go to sleep to these videos" lmao
The best thing is I have no fckin idea about the trackmania game, but those vids are so awesome - im watching them all. Its fascinating how some of the players dedicate themselves for this, its fascinating what a community this is - AWESOME
Man everything feels so fluid in this video, the voice, narration, music choices…
Crazy good !
This is the kind of map where the no cut wr will always be 500 times more impressive
Real and true
until the cut is also grinded and perfected for 15 years Chatting
I can't disagree more. The cut wr has to string together a handful of difficult tricks while maintaining momentum. The massive gap between the 1st and 2nd time are a testament to the new skill ceiling. How many people were within a tenth, or even a hundredth of the old way? Now we have a clear winner, who decimated the rest of the competition with arguably the most technical way of driving. It's about tech after all, isn't it?
I personally admire the cut WR more, all the ingenuity of finding the ideal path with AI technology, trying it out with TAS, then practicing it, and finally managing a good run with all the insane tricks required, is such an impressive task. I'm not saying the no cut WR wasn't impressive, it was damn near the human limit, which is exactly why the cut was found.
I feel that no cut wr is more impressive because of how little luck it involves.
Wirtual this is a work of art!
What a wonderful video, I loved the music choice for this episode. And all throughout, narration and editing were insane. All the visuals of the racelines and the runs transitioning one into another when fast forwarding a few years. Really amazing.
Also one of the greatest things in my opinion is that you give it time to breathe, there's cinematic parts that have no narration and just.. flow
I'm really looking forward to the future videos coming to this channel !
I missed this style of videos from Wirt, but nice to see he hasn't forgotten about them. Love the content
God I love that line... "And then... he got this run on XXX." Something epic always follows. Love the content, the crew(props editors WOP WOP) and the attitude. Very wholesome, keep it up. I wish health upon you brother!
I get so nostalgic watching these types of videos, they’re just so well put together, and it really pays off
These are the coolest videos to watch imho. To watch as you detail the history of the world record hunt on a map is enticing. You and your editors keep being awesome! ❤
The Fire Emblem track coming in at 19:20 totally threw me for a loop lol. Good music choice!
Hey Wirtual, I just wanted to point out a serious math mistake at 5:27 . It should be 0.14% instead of 0.0014%. You might have forgotten to multiply the result by 100 to get the percentage number after calculating it
No one really care
Bro he's done the math correctly you should go back to school
@@GnuSnu you should probably look a little bit closer at the calculation
@@kylian8295 chut up then
Funnily enough maybe this is an intentional mistake ^^
Fantastic documentary as always. Just wanna go on record: the music you're all vibing too is from Art of Rally - and is all as amazing as the tracks chosen here
Videos like this telling stories of perseverance mean so much to me. I'm sitting here at GDQ watching this video and I wouldn't be able to be here without the inspiration from great runners of all sorts of games, and from videos like these. Thank you so much Wirtual for the inspiration you provide!
Always a good time watching Wirtual content
I understand the goal is to go as fast as possible in trackmania but theres just something so much more impressive about Tastys record than the cut way to me.
Yea I would rather watch a slower run that has a nice flow , pixel perfect corners than someone crawling over barriers and clipping through floor 😂😂😂 . They should make the order in wich the checkpoints get approached fixed
Most major speedrunning communities have separate leaderboards for glitched and glitchless runs. I feel Trackmania Exchange would benefit from separating the leaderboads much the same way. I don't know much about Trackmania other than what Wirtual uploads (and I played the recent console release for a few hours), but it's clear that the track loses something when it's cut the way it has been here. Tech players who aren't interested in cutting the track are completely left behind, and being erased from the history books, by the people gladly doing so. And FWO waiting (or trying to anyway) to reveal that they cut the track until they got most of the top spots on the leaderboards is a very toxic way to go about it, in my opinion. Like giving a middle finger to every tech player. Not saying that cutting the track doesn't require player skill, but there's a great deal more luck involved. So the leaderboards should reflect that, since not everyone is on an equal playing field.
@@jethroortega4129 why do you think shortcuts don’t require as much skill?
@Rob Clifford clipping through the track, which is done here, requires luck. Therefore, not as much player skill is involved since the clip isn't always consistent. Shortcutting the track does require skill, I'm not trying to argue that it doesn't, but shortcut runs should have its own leaderboard separate from those who drive the track 'regularly'. Like I said, there's different categories in most speedrunning communities depending on how the game is run and of course a glitched run (which this is the rough equivalent of) is going to be faster than a glitchless run. With separate leaderboards, tech players can still chase the WR with other tech players instead of unilaterally being forced off the top of the leaderboards, and shortcut players can still find ways to break the track. Both communities win in the end, and you keep competition alive in two different racing styles rather than just one.
@@jethroortega4129 Also not knowing anything about trackmanaia apart from wirtuals channel, it seems tech or cuts are both pushed to the limit in terms of skill. As in, the skill/luck in a pixel perfect cut is not that different in the skill/luck in a pixel perfect race line? Both require a highly skilled player to try it over and over for many hours to make everything come together. Idk, I find both impressive and entertaining to watch, so I agree that it sucks for tech players that they get erased from the top of the leaderboard when a cut is found.
As someone who’s never heard of this game before finding your channel, I gotta say this games competition is insane. The amount of time these guys spend on a single track chasing the perfect run would have me pulling my hair out lol
I’m just glad your back. These are some of the most engrossing documentaries on the platform, and nobody does it quite like you.
The most beautiful thing about wirtuals channel is like.. just imagine how many cool stories about trackmania is out there, and even I don't playing that much of that game I can really appreciate the dedication players had and have to beating records and building legends among the community. Very well done guys, that was amazing
I really miss the old ending music. Its emotional, epic and sounds amazing which would add to the watch experience immensly. I just rewatched D07-Race video and that video is special. Not only because the song, but the way you edited and presented the video as a whole felt smooth and well laid out. I also liked the music choice in the middle of the video. The camera panning around the level from different angles while you explain details was great. Legit crying at the end of the video, love it so much
What got me into TM years ago was E02 cuts and how insane they were from all aspects, and I'm happy to learn about this tracks full history and how amazing it is from a tech players pov and from FWOs later. Both incredible in their own ways.
A track that is both tough to play normally and tough to cut. Both are equally needed in skill and both are impressive in their own right. This track deserves it's place as one of the best.
I don’t play this game, never have, but I’ve watched every Wirtual video. They’re like documentaries. The details, info, and narration is perfect. I could watch it 24/7. Only person who could make me watch hours of a game I’ve never touched.
I love a lot of the smaller details that condense information as to not make this 30 minute video into 45-60 minutes. Editing tech at its finest. Great video once again.
Yo Raizo's run was so smooth it looked like a TAS. Insane
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Frostbeule is the same person as the one who drove a WR in Mario Kart Wii during 2008?
Same guy! He also set several world records in F-Zero. Overall just incredible skill in several racing games
Ahh cool, thank you. (Wasn’t expecting a reply from you!)
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I will always love and respect KarjeN for what he did. Crazy times
Wow man where have you been, discovered this channel and watched every single video. It’s like a rollercoaster journey watching every video with the emotions they put you through. Im so glad he’s back for another video, hope to see you again soon , don’t want to wait for as long as i did again lol. I love this channel 😂
The return. Thanks for making another video here. I finally started playing TM myself and was wondering where you had gone.
This track was the first tech map i ever played, good memories. The best thing is that i actually almost instantly thought about a cut where you overwall the first turn, similar to how it was eventually done. I was really hyped when i saw a cut being performed, even though it also makes me sad, because the insanely clean no cut runs are not at the top spot that they deserve anymore
This video gets me so damn nostalgic I'm almost getting sad >
13:10 man that is heartbreaking - that was a breathtaking run.
The 2 pilars deserve an entire video! They influential all generations of maps after Hockolicious
I am happy now. Thank you. Love your streams, but these docs are the goat.
I know you make high quality videos because every single video of yours is truly gripping to me and I have never played trackmania in my life nor been interested in it until now
When Wirtual said making main channel videos takes a lot of effort I didn’t realise he meant solving an NP-hard computational problem in order to cut the most prestigious map of the classic leaderboard.
15:15. Greetings from 16th place! Such a good memories with this game and specialy this track :)
The choice to use King's Plan towards the end there was delightful I need to rewatch NGNL now
Wirtual is Weeb in denial.. just embrace it
So happy to see you back on the main channel !! Another wonderful story, thank you :)
Things I know about track mania
1. Cars go vroom
2. Wirtual makes videos about it
3. I’m inexplicably going to watch every damn one
HOLY SHIT HE REMEMBERED HIS PASSWORD
Finally after 7 months wirtual has blessed us with a main channel upload 🙏
at this point we can call this channel his second one
When you mentioned the double pillars being Hock's thing, I immediately thought of winter 21- didn't realize the whole map was a tribute/remake
I thought I am used to Wirtuals videos twists, but when the guy with spreadsheet appeared I completely lost it haha. Great job, thx for video
I have never, and probably will never, play this game. But I’ve watched so many of your videos because you are so good at what you do and can make me interested in a topic that I would otherwise have no interest in. Glad you’re still putting out content.
This brings out the feels, man... ESL tracks back then were so goood! I spent so many countless hours practicing every single one of them, damn... Even had a wr for some time back then 😅
From the depths of hell, the undisputable bobsleigher, the s for d deamon, the fur(ry)ous Wirtual has blessed us with another top tier documentary.
I think you kinda misrepresented Tasty's comment, but fun video nonetheless! It's always sick learning about such rich histories on even just a single Trackmania map.
Before i start watching: I am so damn lucky that you made videos on this channel again. I also enjoy sometimes watching you on twitch. But THIS is pure master class, i just love this type of videos. Thanks that you dont "forget" them :)
the tension on every run is so high it keeps my confidence up on my own Trackmania runs. Keep up the good work Wirtual!
I love your story videos, you have a way of telling these story's that draws me in everytime
Damn, I still remember Frostbeule from his world record on Luigi Circuit in Mario Kart Wii all the way back in 2009, I remember watching his WR over and over back in 2011 when I was 12... Definitely a very TrackMania-style WR for the Wii game
Hockalicious is such a great track, it has that same nice flow backwards too
Glad to see you back with an amazing video. Looking forward to the next one!
Welcome back, Wirtual!
Finally,
Wirtual
The whole time I was waiting for "And then Hefest got THIS run." Was wild not even hearing that legend mentioned for this track
Hefest unfortunately cheated as well :(
@@Grandremone ????????????????????????????
Didn't Hefest get outed for cheating?
@@Grandremoneey what??
we definitely need a separate leaderboard for cutted runs.. Tasty, very nice grind and epic time
Wirtual is back after 7 months!! I’m glad you posted again on your main channel ♥️
I have never EVER played this game. Never even looked to where i can play it. But I’ve seen so many of your videos and the quality of your videos is insane. Keep up the great work.
Another Wirtual upload, another 30 minutes of joy
He’s back 🎉
Congrats lmfao
Ur first 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Always a good day when Wirtual uploads
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Fr it’s been 7 months
Very good
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@@j_ustanoob not the same...
Your soundtrack choice and taste is sublime, good job
I don't even play Trackmania, but this video is so well detailed and easy to follow that it had me engaged the entire time. Love these vids