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love that advice to get smaller plants. my granddad was a great gardener. the best advice he ever gave me for picking out plants was to ignore the temptation to buy the plant covered in flowers. instead he said to pick out plants that are getting ready to flower, where the best is yet to come. go for something that hasn't lost its chance to be a great plant by being in a smaller pot for too long. it's such good advice to go for smaller plants. not runty or showing signs of problems, just smaller and healthy. thanks for the videos dude, i always enjoy them.
When I buy my redwoods, I go by base diameter, rather than height (bcoz I cannot measure their height accurately). I won't even consider any diameter below 30' :-)
Yeah, I agree. The smaller the tree in the pot, the better shape of the root system growing. When they are small, the trees' root system can extend further around, instead of tangle in a lobe in the case of big trees. I think we can amend the bigger trees ' roots by cut around the pots then straight out the roots. It would help, but even this method is not very useful when the roots already bounced seriously inside the pots.
So much truth to this. Living in South Florida this hits home to me. I have planted numerous 3 gallon fruit trees in the yard and in about a year with proper tipping and pruning they look great and should be great producers in the coming years!
The way I see it, I can buy 3 different trees for the price of one bigger one. I agree though, I have seen this with mango trees, a big tree, has a harder time establishing itself once planted in the ground, while one in a 1-3 gallon pot, takes off right away. that tap root, makes its way deep down, I think it will be more drought tolerant in the long run.
Spring Hill is beautiful. Some of the most perfect beaches with wildlife still intact, swimming with dolphins, sting rays...one of the best sushi places, located there. This content is priceless and certainly informative.
Love the honesty,Pete. Most people would probably want to make more money selling a bigger tree even though it's not the best choice for the customer OR the tree.
Great video, Pete. These are my favorite kinds of videos that you make. I love when you talk about your experiences, and what you look for in trees you're buying. I'm about to plant a couple of trees out in my yard tomorrow, and I SO appreciate the reinforcement for doing nothing in the holes I've dug for them.
In the spring when the ground is soaked, we can pull out of the ground a 4,5,6 foot root on a tiny tiny elm sapling along a pathway. The taproot on a tree is very important, and a tree starts with the taproot, unless the tree is transplanted, it's so vital for the tree. We've had many transplanted trees die due to surface conditions, things like a drought year, or a flood year, or details of the surface soil, things that wouldn't matter as much if the tree was intact as it is when it grows from seed in one spot.
One of the trees I bought from you like a month ago was a starfruit. I planted it soon after and the thing has 7 fruits on it. I thought the dragon fruit I got was kinda Charlie Brown Xmas tree looking but boy was I wrong, it is growing crazy! Oh and I won't even mention the Jack fruit, I can see the growth from when I leave for work and when I get home.
Oh, a larger Jaboticaba my dream tree. Butterfly World down here has them in an aviary with small colorful finches, little button quail and some hummingbirds. Their beautiful little branches are perfect in an aviary like that too.
I agree 💯! Not only in trees also in plants like tomatoes. If you plant a small plant it will surpass a larger plant and end up larger and stronger and produce more fruit!
Starting a new food forest right now and this video was great! 3 years ago we moved to FL and bought a large mango. It still hasn’t fruited🤦🏼♀️. But the smaller avocado trees and small fig have all fruited and grown so much faster than the big mango! Buying all small trees this time around AND buying a lot more knowing fruit won’t start for 2-3 years.
Todd's Tropicals Me too, my mind just wondered to the first time I saw a Jaboticaba. And I only tasted one fruit and was hooked. Need a larger Jaboticaba for “science”, as David The Good would say about those more expensive but beloved fruit trees. Wondering if Lychee trees would be in the same category of investing in a larger tree to get fruit sooner?
A lot of the big box store garden centers don't have small trees, just the big ones for the most part. A nursery is probably a better option for selection, and the prices are comparable. Star fruit trees are amazing. I bought one that wasn't as tall as me, and it shot up like a rocket in weeks. It's about 25 feet tall now, and it's been about 7 years. Star fruit trees are so prolific you might almost be sorry you got it. I understand that the seeds sprout easily also, but I've not tried that.
My small pot trees have all outperformed the big pot trees once in the ground. It's so obvious its not even up for dispute. I watched this year's ago and took the advice. 🤙
Thanks bud. I appreciate it. I planted 500 18-24" black walnuts and they cost me 700$. If I had purchased 5 year saplings at 36-48" I would have spent 2200$
Great video Pete! But damn that instant gratification can be tempting! My nana always said that about small plants growing better; so it seems to be the same with cold hardy plants too.
Thanks for the info! Same can also be said about the vegetable plants, especially tomatoes -- many sell them in big containers -- 2 to 3 feet high plants! I would rather buy a 6-pack -- I know, I know its better to grow them yourselves from seeds, but once I am there, I cannot resist buying a few of those 6-packs! :-)
I just planted 2 Elderberry's that you shipped to me when this situation happened. They grew in small pots and already 3 feet tall. One is bushy and the other one lengthy. Planted straight into native Florida Soil. Great Advice and information as always.
When I go to big box stores if I see small fruit trees with fruit I take it off and throw it in the dirt , I like to think I’m helping someone out and the tree itself!
Get a two year old one and be patient then! 😂. Fruit trees aren't very long lived, and fruit production reduces when they get older (espt with plums). Wild cherries only really love to about 60 years
Hey Pete,‼️ I’d like some info on tipping plants and how to prune plants. I grow lots of Mulberry, Surinam cherry, Barbados cherry, and avocados. I focus on edibles mostly, is there any sources books, etc... Or maybe some videos on proper pruning techniques to make our plants stronger, fuller, and bare more fruit. Thanks! Love your channel and content. Keep on growing on Bro! 👍💪
Ed Parchment I found the Barbados at a nursery called Valkaria Gardens. The Surinam cherry I found one growing in Vero Beach and gathered up a bunch of cherries and planted the seed. Now I just take cuttings from both to make more plants.
Its nice to see business people who actually care about people and not just the profit! So thank you for what you do and I hope it continues for a long time to come!
While that's true, it's not even good business for most nurseries to sell them big. The reason they are so expensive is because there is a lot fo cost involved in keeping them in pots so long in terms of space, time and expenditures. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most nurseries would love to sell everything they produce at small sizes to free up room for the next batch. But not every tree gets sold when it was intended to be sold, so instead of eating the loss they'll repot them and hope somebody wants the big tree.
What you say makes sense in the ideal environment with lots of rain and humidity. If you are trying to grow in a different climate such as in a dry mediterranean one there is benefit to starting with a bigger tree. Smaller trees that you are advocating would get decimated in dry heat even if cared for and with shade cloth. Whereas larger trees I have found are much more resilient because the drying winds don't affect them that much.
you are right! well, i started by planting the seeds..need lot of patience and time but in the end when trees bear fruits just how words cant explain the feelings..SubhanAllah...
good advice, thanks. I'm just really getting started on my little grove here in Spring Hill. I've been watching your videos since before I moved to Florida and I must say I'm quite excited to finally get stuff planted.
In FL, yes. In climates where the ph is high, and or winter to deal with, mature is usually better because most customers are not equipped to baby a young plant.
That's been my experience too, to a point. There does seem to be a minimum size that plants need to be babied to. If you plant before that you really need to be on top of keeping weeds off them and keeping an eye out for pests because a few weeks without attention can be enough to seriously stunt or even kill them. But in general when I plant small trees and large ones from last season at the same time in 2-3 years time the smaller one has overtaken the big one and is doing better.
Sharing my experience here to affirm and agree with Pete's advice and experience on this video. And, in general I might add "he knows his "what's growin' on" business". My experience/opinion is from being a designer and with 35+ years' experience with Intentional Communities, Landscapes, Swimming Pools, Ponds, Lakes, Greenhouses, Orchards, most anything outdoors, in many states from the Pacific Northwest, to Florida, to Southern California and Hawaii. The first 1-3 pruning cuts you make on a fruit tree will help determine it's future branching structure, it's ability to support fruit loads, how easy it is to maintain, spray, harvest, etc. Trees, in general, that are encouraged to spread their roots into and adapt to the native soil will do best. That encompasses selecting the right tree/variety for the environment so, in support of those like Pete who study this, while it's fun to "DIY" and experience "the learning curve" there is a value in having professional help. This includes drainage, irrigation, plant selection, and the "what to put where" of things with structures and gardens. Great video here, good information and great to see so much public interest in things more sustainable and friendly for our Planet! Go Pete!
So agree...learned this a long time ago. In addition, don't necessarily buy the largest plant it may be root bound, as well as some girdling roots. Look for shape & health. A smaller tree, well prepped & planted, will adapt better with less overall root damage--and, as you have well said, established more easily & faster.
It's really is because of the roots, 100%. Something I have learnt doing hydroponic growing of veggies. Seedling starts growing on top slowly, but underneath the roots go nuts, and then boom, out of nowhere, the plant decides its time for leaf growth. I have seen everything from pumpkins, capsicums, even a lemon seed I did as a joke follow the same pattern. Roots develop first. You can see it most in annual veggie seedlings, you plant them and for weeks doesn't look like much growth and then they just lurch forward. All our fruit trees we got from a local company, as they are fruit salad ones, and they came really small for this reason, but our summer has sucked this year, I mean I have the heater on a few times this last week and we normally have nice 30-35C+ days lol. So they have not had much growth.
Interesting points. Thank you for sharing. I think you would make this video clips even better with filming around to let us check out on your fruit trees. Between the points, sharing your particular experiences with the specific fruit trees. If possible, let us know about the prices too. We would rather check on the plants than looking up close to your face in the entire clip.
Totally agree--small is the way to go except for very slow growing trees. Big container trees are generally unhealthy and root bound and slowly decline. My 3 gallon always beat out the 15 gallon within a year or 2.
Nice video Pete, I agree, I have had very bad experience with older trees (2 years or older). They are filled with fertilizers and when I plant them in soil, they need 2-3 years to start growing normally. Before that they hardly grow. They are also extremely impossible to train/prune when young. Training a young tree is very important and deciding on tree shape and health. Older trees are not trained, they are only maintained in size. These older saplings like to die back when pruned the way you prune a young one. So I am not buying and old saplings anymore, although there are a few exceptions as you mentioned Pete.
Agree. Buying big fruit trees only good if you want to keep it in pots. If you put it in the ground, they will sit for long long time until they have better roots system
Wow just found your Channel and subbed little brother. So glad I watched this I won't be doing anything to the soil and just top dressing like you said. Got some fruit trees coming. Great advice thanks and greeting from the Mississippi gulf coast 👍 !!!
My Christmas loquat fruit was great. The squirrels allowed me a couple. It's planted up the hill by my abandoned hottub that's full of frogs and lilies andstuff. It only gets rain water and frog water when needed. No amendments. It's a loquat.
I would say this hits home for bushes too. I bought a few blueberry bush and the bushes that game in the 2 gallon pot and the 3 gallon pots have barely grown while the bushes in the quart soil are around the same size as the 2 gallon pot at this point. They are not as thick but they are the same size. I am sure by the end of the year the stems will be just as thick.
Great topic. So true! Old Pasco Hillsborough citrus grower here.. we planted sticks.. easier to protect in a freeze..once those roots got down they Blew Up! A lot easier to simply replace underperformers while they're still small.. can't get too sentimental about the runts of the litter.. they're not puppies ha ha. Also nice to cull untasty fruiters before you've invested a lot.
Hey David! Thanks for sharing your experience. Have you been keeping up with any of the new research on citrus greening? I’ve had a few clients reach out trying new experimental groves.
@@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL looking into the latest. Over time, I'm not alone in noticing how citrus under oaks is clean of greening. Although supposedly a host for the psyllid vector, interplanted guava seems to draw the greening away from citrus. My guess is that rather than singular "magic bullets", good ol' biodiversity, interplanting and yes, "weeds" are -as usual- the answer, at least for smaller growers. Love your work, Pete; this part of Florida was always a transitional belt, now in transitional times, and your efforts to decipher what works here are invaluable !
I just visited your website and about died at your list of plants available! Incredible 29 varieties of bananas and mangos!!! i'm so excited to move to Florida even more. What if your native soil totally sucks like caliche or just super sandy, what would be an affordable mix to make it better? I like the top dressing idea that makes a lot of sense.
Thanks! Continually adding new varieties and species to the plant list. We find tree mulch as the key to building soil in Florida. It is typically free and readily available.
I always take your advice and it always works...ain't your first rodeo huh...but dayam it's hard, but you get used to it, the proof is in the growth...thanks...!
This is what I been saying and telling everybody there is a lot of con artist exotic nursery salesman that only sale in big pots and they buy from other nurseries and re pot it just to sell at a higher price. Also any trees that can be sold bare-root buy bare root I bought a huge cherry in a pot from a fluke saler Bonita Creek Tropical Nursery in San Diego paid $60 for one tree 5 years ago doing like crap while I bought a bare-root same variety last year different nursery, planted in ground right away it has out grown that tree and only paid $25
I live in Maine , my sons bought me a peach tree that looks to be 7 years old at least. it has peaches on it. we don't know if we should tie it up or not. it's bending already, but i watcched my friends peach tree grow for 7 years and the branches broke when it yeilded fruit, even tho it was young when he planted it.
Thin the fruit to avoid breaking branches. Remove the fruit from thin weak branches and from the ends of branches too weak to hold the fruit. Thinning the fruit early on will also provide better quality fruit
Happy I seen this but I bought a 6 ft lancetilla mango tree and was wondering if I should wait to plant it till the spring? It was in a 7 gallon pot but I replanted it in a 15 gallon pot. Also bought a smaller millika and valencia pride. They told me to wait. What do you think?
I bought a 10 gallon peach tree that’s almost fruiting for 44.50. I have found a farm that sells younger trees but I’m wondering how many trees I need to plant to make a profit.
I have been feeding my two grafted avocado trees once a week with kelp water and they are shooting up like weeds last year I let one set fruit and they got the side of a golf ball before a squirrel or a ratcoon got to them so this year I cut all the fruit off to let them get bigger the trees are only 4’ and 3 ‘
the roots are tangled and not able to grow , one root may be choking the entire tree because it is not going down 3 ft but wrapped around the tree for 3ft
it is true if tree is planted in climate close to its native however when there is a drastic difference between native and target climates one is better off going for a bigger tree Ask Shamus about growing mangoes and avocados in desert - bigger trees take more hit and cold and require less babying I can see big difference in planted 7g vs 3g mangoes in SoCal
I have this same experience zone 9 southern california the sun beats the heck out of small trees the big ones are slower to take but they have a higher survival rate. That being said the most healthy avocados I have are the ones that sprouted from adding my compost into my mulch, same goes for apricots, apples... just got my first au naturale mango, can't wait to see how it performs vs. the 1-10 gallon ones I've bought.
I haven’t had a real turpentine mango since I was a kid, everyone has the fancy ones now. Even then, the Hayden mangoes were the big deal. I love the taste of the Turpentine! So sweet and I’m one of the few people I’ve heard of that likes pulling thru the fiber near the seed to get the sweet juice ;) Call me crazy! I guess all the mangoes today are started on Turpentine stock.
Man, i wish i could find Jamaican Cherry in Texas. Even rooted cuttings is pushing 20 bucks. Before shipping. At this point id buy someones pruning cuttings.
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love that advice to get smaller plants. my granddad was a great gardener. the best advice he ever gave me for picking out plants was to ignore the temptation to buy the plant covered in flowers. instead he said to pick out plants that are getting ready to flower, where the best is yet to come. go for something that hasn't lost its chance to be a great plant by being in a smaller pot for too long. it's such good advice to go for smaller plants. not runty or showing signs of problems, just smaller and healthy. thanks for the videos dude, i always enjoy them.
You were taught by a wise man! 👊
I guess I'll cancel my order for that 200' redwood.
Thanks Pete.
Lol...I thought that was 250' ?
@@jeff6899- fedex has some sort of a limit apparently
Anything bigger than 100' for a redwood is just a waste of money.
When I buy my redwoods, I go by base diameter, rather than height (bcoz I cannot measure their height accurately). I won't even consider any diameter below 30' :-)
Exactly. I grew avocados subtropicals and citrus in Santa Barbara for 25 years. This man is giving you the straight scoop.
Thanks Steve! 🙌
Love the honesty.So many would be trying to sell the big trees
I planted 12 mango trees last year 1/2 3 gallon 1/2 7 gallon. All are doing great but every 3 gallon is actually bigger now than every 7 gallon.
Boom! This is what I’m talking about. Thanks for sharing 👊
Yeah, I agree. The smaller the tree in the pot, the better shape of the root system growing. When they are small, the trees' root system can extend further around, instead of tangle in a lobe in the case of big trees. I think we can amend the bigger trees ' roots by cut around the pots then straight out the roots. It would help, but even this method is not very useful when the roots already bounced seriously inside the pots.
I got about 20 different fruit tree now I need to learn to graff
So much truth to this. Living in South Florida this hits home to me. I have planted numerous 3 gallon fruit trees in the yard and in about a year with proper tipping and pruning they look great and should be great producers in the coming years!
joutlaw50 glad to hear this! Thanks for sharing 🙏
I love your honesty,rare to find now a days,God bless you
Thanks 🙏
The way I see it, I can buy 3 different trees for the price of one bigger one. I agree though, I have seen this with mango trees, a big tree, has a harder time establishing itself once planted in the ground, while one in a 1-3 gallon pot, takes off right away. that tap root, makes its way deep down, I think it will be more drought tolerant in the long run.
Spring Hill is beautiful. Some of the most perfect beaches with wildlife still intact, swimming with dolphins, sting rays...one of the best sushi places, located there.
This content is priceless and certainly informative.
Love the honesty,Pete. Most people would probably want to make more money selling a bigger tree even though it's not the best choice for the customer OR the tree.
Got to keep it real! 👊
Great video, Pete. These are my favorite kinds of videos that you make. I love when you talk about your experiences, and what you look for in trees you're buying. I'm about to plant a couple of trees out in my yard tomorrow, and I SO appreciate the reinforcement for doing nothing in the holes I've dug for them.
Glad to share Chip! 👊
In the spring when the ground is soaked, we can pull out of the ground a 4,5,6 foot root on a tiny tiny elm sapling along a pathway. The taproot on a tree is very important, and a tree starts with the taproot, unless the tree is transplanted, it's so vital for the tree. We've had many transplanted trees die due to surface conditions, things like a drought year, or a flood year, or details of the surface soil, things that wouldn't matter as much if the tree was intact as it is when it grows from seed in one spot.
One of the trees I bought from you like a month ago was a starfruit. I planted it soon after and the thing has 7 fruits on it. I thought the dragon fruit I got was kinda Charlie Brown Xmas tree looking but boy was I wrong, it is growing crazy! Oh and I won't even mention the Jack fruit, I can see the growth from when I leave for work and when I get home.
Love it!! Thanks for sharing 👊
Thank you for that piece of advice, and it totally makes sense!
Pete Kanaris: one of the Few Good Men on RUclips ~ Can you handle the truth?? :). cheers buddy
Thanks bro 👊
Agree, wish he was my neighbor. Wealth of knowledge to be had!
Oh, a larger Jaboticaba my dream tree. Butterfly World down here has them in an aviary with small colorful finches, little button quail and some hummingbirds. Their beautiful little branches are perfect in an aviary like that too.
I agree 💯! Not only in trees also in plants like tomatoes. If you plant a small plant it will surpass a larger plant and end up larger and stronger and produce more fruit!
Starting a new food forest right now and this video was great! 3 years ago we moved to FL and bought a large mango. It still hasn’t fruited🤦🏼♀️. But the smaller avocado trees and small fig have all fruited and grown so much faster than the big mango! Buying all small trees this time around AND buying a lot more knowing fruit won’t start for 2-3 years.
Awesome! Glad to share 😊
I agree 100% with you, smaller trees are way better. And yeah I'd rather spend money for a larger jaboticaba myself.
Right on Todd! 👊
Todd's Tropicals Me too, my mind just wondered to the first time I saw a Jaboticaba. And I only tasted one fruit and was hooked. Need a larger Jaboticaba for “science”, as David The Good would say about those more expensive but beloved fruit trees. Wondering if Lychee trees would be in the same category of investing in a larger tree to get fruit sooner?
Thanks for sharing video and amazing information. Planted 3 ft figs trees this past April and already have fruit.
Awesomeness!! 🙌
That works forabout all trees. I have planted plenty of wood lots. Always use small seedlings.
A lot of the big box store garden centers don't have small trees, just the big ones for the most part. A nursery is probably a better option for selection, and the prices are comparable. Star fruit trees are amazing. I bought one that wasn't as tall as me, and it shot up like a rocket in weeks. It's about 25 feet tall now, and it's been about 7 years. Star fruit trees are so prolific you might almost be sorry you got it. I understand that the seeds sprout easily also, but I've not tried that.
Thank you for the advice. I love that you always share the long term investment view of the plants you talk about.
My small pot trees have all outperformed the big pot trees once in the ground. It's so obvious its not even up for dispute. I watched this year's ago and took the advice. 🤙
Yeah usually always the case!
Thanks bud. I appreciate it. I planted 500 18-24" black walnuts and they cost me 700$. If I had purchased 5 year saplings at 36-48" I would have spent 2200$
Great video Pete! But damn that instant gratification can be tempting! My nana always said that about small plants growing better; so it seems to be the same with cold hardy plants too.
Thanks! I know it’s so tempting but worth the wait 👊
Thanks for the info! Same can also be said about the vegetable plants, especially tomatoes -- many sell them in big containers -- 2 to 3 feet high plants! I would rather buy a 6-pack -- I know, I know its better to grow them yourselves from seeds, but once I am there, I cannot resist buying a few of those 6-packs! :-)
So on point with this video. Thanks for confirming what I have been starting to believe.
He’s talking about a mango, he’s talking about an avocado, he’s talking about a sapodilla, he’s talking about a starfruit... 🤣
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@@HeyAstor Hahahahhaa I thought something was odd in this video.
I just planted 2 Elderberry's that you shipped to me when this situation happened. They grew in small pots and already 3 feet tall. One is bushy and the other one lengthy. Planted straight into native Florida Soil. Great Advice and information as always.
Excellent vid - there's not one I watch where I don't learn something.
When I go to big box stores if I see small fruit trees with fruit I take it off and throw it in the dirt , I like to think I’m helping someone out and the tree itself!
Why is that?
u.really knws alot bout trees... thanks for sharin' ur best opinions...
Knowledge straight into your brain. 5 gallon max. I wasted a lot of money on big trees.
Thanks James! 👊
Agree, but the eye wants also something. I have a 50+ year old pear tree on my wishlist. They are gorgeous.
Get a two year old one and be patient then! 😂. Fruit trees aren't very long lived, and fruit production reduces when they get older (espt with plums). Wild cherries only really love to about 60 years
Thank you Pete for all the good advice. Love these videos
Hey Pete,‼️
I’d like some info on tipping plants and how to prune plants. I grow lots of Mulberry, Surinam cherry, Barbados cherry, and avocados. I focus on edibles mostly, is there any sources books, etc...
Or maybe some videos on proper pruning techniques to make our plants stronger, fuller, and bare more fruit.
Thanks! Love your channel and content. Keep on growing on Bro! 👍💪
I would like this info too.
I’ll make a very specific video very soon. I have one now for mangoes.
No a reply, but rather a question. Where did you get your Barbados, and Suriname cherries? I have looked with no luck. Please let ,etc know. Thanks
Ed Parchment I found the Barbados at a nursery called Valkaria Gardens. The Surinam cherry I found one growing in Vero Beach and gathered up a bunch of cherries and planted the seed. Now I just take cuttings from both to make more plants.
@@TheOutdoorsDaddy I thought cherries did not grow true to seed?
Its nice to see business people who actually care about people and not just the profit! So thank you for what you do and I hope it continues for a long time to come!
Thanks Brandon! 👊
While that's true, it's not even good business for most nurseries to sell them big. The reason they are so expensive is because there is a lot fo cost involved in keeping them in pots so long in terms of space, time and expenditures. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most nurseries would love to sell everything they produce at small sizes to free up room for the next batch. But not every tree gets sold when it was intended to be sold, so instead of eating the loss they'll repot them and hope somebody wants the big tree.
What you say makes sense in the ideal environment with lots of rain and humidity. If you are trying to grow in a different climate such as in a dry mediterranean one there is benefit to starting with a bigger tree. Smaller trees that you are advocating would get decimated in dry heat even if cared for and with shade cloth. Whereas larger trees I have found are much more resilient because the drying winds don't affect them that much.
you are right! well, i started by planting the seeds..need lot of patience and time but in the end when trees bear fruits just how words cant explain the feelings..SubhanAllah...
good advice, thanks. I'm just really getting started on my little grove here in Spring Hill. I've been watching your videos since before I moved to Florida and I must say I'm quite excited to finally get stuff planted.
Glad to share! Thanks 👊
In FL, yes. In climates where the ph is high, and or winter to deal with, mature is usually better because most customers are not equipped to baby a young plant.
That's been my experience too, to a point. There does seem to be a minimum size that plants need to be babied to. If you plant before that you really need to be on top of keeping weeds off them and keeping an eye out for pests because a few weeks without attention can be enough to seriously stunt or even kill them.
But in general when I plant small trees and large ones from last season at the same time in 2-3 years time the smaller one has overtaken the big one and is doing better.
very informative rant, lol. lots of gems in there. \o/
Sharing my experience here to affirm and agree with Pete's advice and experience on this video. And, in general I might add "he knows his "what's growin' on" business". My experience/opinion is from being a designer and with 35+ years' experience with Intentional Communities, Landscapes, Swimming Pools, Ponds, Lakes, Greenhouses, Orchards, most anything outdoors, in many states from the Pacific Northwest, to Florida, to Southern California and Hawaii. The first 1-3 pruning cuts you make on a fruit tree will help determine it's future branching structure, it's ability to support fruit loads, how easy it is to maintain, spray, harvest, etc. Trees, in general, that are encouraged to spread their roots into and adapt to the native soil will do best. That encompasses selecting the right tree/variety for the environment so, in support of those like Pete who study this, while it's fun to "DIY" and experience "the learning curve" there is a value in having professional help. This includes drainage, irrigation, plant selection, and the "what to put where" of things with structures and gardens. Great video here, good information and great to see so much public interest in things more sustainable and friendly for our Planet! Go Pete!
So agree...learned this a long time ago. In addition, don't necessarily buy the largest plant it may be root bound, as well as some girdling roots. Look for shape & health. A smaller tree, well prepped & planted, will adapt better with less overall root damage--and, as you have well said, established more easily & faster.
Thanks Jeff! Some one commented maybe for Florida but not Arizona... glad to get your input! 🙌
Thanks for a great video and advice, I like growing seedlings and grafting onto them after they get old enough.
Nice!
Nice, thanks for the advice.
It's really is because of the roots, 100%. Something I have learnt doing hydroponic growing of veggies. Seedling starts growing on top slowly, but underneath the roots go nuts, and then boom, out of nowhere, the plant decides its time for leaf growth. I have seen everything from pumpkins, capsicums, even a lemon seed I did as a joke follow the same pattern. Roots develop first.
You can see it most in annual veggie seedlings, you plant them and for weeks doesn't look like much growth and then they just lurch forward.
All our fruit trees we got from a local company, as they are fruit salad ones, and they came really small for this reason, but our summer has sucked this year, I mean I have the heater on a few times this last week and we normally have nice 30-35C+ days lol. So they have not had much growth.
Interesting points. Thank you for sharing. I think you would make this video clips even better with filming around to let us check out on your fruit trees. Between the points, sharing your particular experiences with the specific fruit trees. If possible, let us know about the prices too. We would rather check on the plants than looking up close to your face in the entire clip.
What is growing up? Keep spreading the word!
Totally agree--small is the way to go except for very slow growing trees. Big container trees are generally unhealthy and root bound and slowly decline. My 3 gallon always beat out the 15 gallon within a year or 2.
I appreciate your advice and content. Thanks !
Nice video Pete, I agree,
I have had very bad experience with older trees (2 years or older).
They are filled with fertilizers and when I plant them in soil, they need 2-3 years to start growing normally. Before that they hardly grow.
They are also extremely impossible to train/prune when young. Training a young tree is very important and deciding on tree shape and health. Older trees are not trained, they are only maintained in size. These older saplings like to die back when pruned the way you prune a young one.
So I am not buying and old saplings anymore, although there are a few exceptions as you mentioned Pete.
Agree. Buying big fruit trees only good if you want to keep it in pots. If you put it in the ground, they will sit for long long time until they have better roots system
So true. I find even with natives, they grow quicker when they are small.
Thank you 😊 🙏🏿
Thank you!
Thanks for info I bought a few on eBay and most producers are from FL
Awesome!
Seedlings are best in the long term
Excellent advice
Thank you brother for your wise words✌️
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Wow just found your Channel and subbed little brother. So glad I watched this I won't be doing anything to the soil and just top dressing like you said. Got some fruit trees coming. Great advice thanks and greeting from the Mississippi gulf coast 👍 !!!
My Christmas loquat fruit was great. The squirrels allowed me a couple. It's planted up the hill by my abandoned hottub that's full of frogs and lilies andstuff. It only gets rain water and frog water when needed. No amendments. It's a loquat.
I would say this hits home for bushes too. I bought a few blueberry bush and the bushes that game in the 2 gallon pot and the 3 gallon pots have barely grown while the bushes in the quart soil are around the same size as the 2 gallon pot at this point. They are not as thick but they are the same size. I am sure by the end of the year the stems will be just as thick.
Great topic. So true! Old Pasco Hillsborough citrus grower here.. we planted sticks.. easier to protect in a freeze..once those roots got down they Blew Up! A lot easier to simply replace underperformers while they're still small.. can't get too sentimental about the runts of the litter.. they're not puppies ha ha. Also nice to cull untasty fruiters before you've invested a lot.
Hey David! Thanks for sharing your experience. Have you been keeping up with any of the new research on citrus greening? I’ve had a few clients reach out trying new experimental groves.
@@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL looking into the latest. Over time, I'm not alone in noticing how citrus under oaks is clean of greening. Although supposedly a host for the psyllid vector, interplanted guava seems to draw the greening away from citrus. My guess is that rather than singular "magic bullets", good ol' biodiversity, interplanting and yes, "weeds" are -as usual- the answer, at least for smaller growers. Love your work, Pete; this part of Florida was always a transitional belt, now in transitional times, and your efforts to decipher what works here are invaluable !
but pete, if I just want fruit - not a big tree, can I let my mango or avocado fruit on the pot - on its first fruiting?
I just visited your website and about died at your list of plants available! Incredible 29 varieties of bananas and mangos!!! i'm so excited to move to Florida even more.
What if your native soil totally sucks like caliche or just super sandy, what would be an affordable mix to make it better? I like the top dressing idea that makes a lot of sense.
Thanks! Continually adding new varieties and species to the plant list. We find tree mulch as the key to building soil in Florida. It is typically free and readily available.
Great advice! I like planting bareroot fruit trees & bushes. Easier to shape & train & seems to adapt a whole lot better.
I always take your advice and it always works...ain't your first rodeo huh...but dayam it's hard, but you get used to it, the proof is in the growth...thanks...!
In Northern climates it's the opposite :)
I am really appreciate your advice, good luck 👍
Pete, thank you for all you hard work.
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This is what I been saying and telling everybody there is a lot of con artist exotic nursery salesman that only sale in big pots and they buy from other nurseries and re pot it just to sell at a higher price. Also any trees that can be sold bare-root buy bare root I bought a huge cherry in a pot from a fluke saler Bonita Creek Tropical Nursery in San Diego paid $60 for one tree 5 years ago doing like crap while I bought a bare-root same variety last year different nursery, planted in ground right away it has out grown that tree and only paid $25
Spot on!
Thanks for the tips Pete 👊🏾
Great information! Thank you!
great advice Pete !!!! Appreciate the tip
Thanks bro. I was about 2 go ham on some big fruit trees
Glad to help!
I live in Maine , my sons bought me a peach tree that looks to be 7 years old at least. it has peaches on it. we don't know if we should tie it up or not. it's bending already, but i watcched my friends peach tree grow for 7 years and the branches broke when it yeilded fruit, even tho it was young when he planted it.
Thin the fruit to avoid breaking branches. Remove the fruit from thin weak branches and from the ends of branches too weak to hold the fruit. Thinning the fruit early on will also provide better quality fruit
Fully agree. 🤜🏽🤛🏾
I Agree 💯 Start Small An They Adapt
Thanks for the honesty ✌🏻
So so true
Also I have been wanting to grow dates & some other types of fruit trees. Could you point me to a good seed suplier? Or a few good seed supliers?
Great information bro, I appreciate your expertise. 👍👍
Great message for it's own video! Not that you haven't said it in several others!
Thanks! I thought it was time to address that one specifically:)
Happy I seen this but I bought a 6 ft lancetilla mango tree and was wondering if I should wait to plant it till the spring? It was in a 7 gallon pot but I replanted it in a 15 gallon pot. Also bought a smaller millika and valencia pride. They told me to wait. What do you think?
Still time but getting late in the season before the cold comes..
I bought a 10 gallon peach tree that’s almost fruiting for 44.50. I have found a farm that sells younger trees but I’m wondering how many trees I need to plant to make a profit.
Great video. And thanks for the info.
when you pass 50 you think different heheeheh
thanks
True...
I have been feeding my two grafted avocado trees once a week with kelp water and they are shooting up like weeds last year I let one set fruit and they got the side of a golf ball before a squirrel or a ratcoon got to them so this year I cut all the fruit off to let them get bigger the trees are only 4’ and 3 ‘
Nice! Kelp is an awesome amendment.
bowmag803 I remember learning that kelp can grow 1+ ft a day. Somehow as an ammendment it helps the plants growth rate
Is this true in all garden zones i live in Scandinavia zone 8
the roots are tangled and not able to grow , one root may be choking the entire tree because it is not going down 3 ft but wrapped around the tree for 3ft
it is true if tree is planted in climate close to its native however when there is a drastic difference between native and target climates one is better off going for a bigger tree
Ask Shamus about growing mangoes and avocados in desert - bigger trees take more hit and cold and require less babying
I can see big difference in planted 7g vs 3g mangoes in SoCal
I have this same experience zone 9 southern california the sun beats the heck out of small trees the big ones are slower to take but they have a higher survival rate. That being said the most healthy avocados I have are the ones that sprouted from adding my compost into my mulch, same goes for apricots, apples... just got my first au naturale mango, can't wait to see how it performs vs. the 1-10 gallon ones I've bought.
Problem with the "Now" over spoiled generation is just that...
Re-education is a huge challenge.
WELL DONE MATE.
I haven’t had a real turpentine mango since I was a kid, everyone has the fancy ones now. Even then, the Hayden mangoes were the big deal. I love the taste of the Turpentine! So sweet and I’m one of the few people I’ve heard of that likes pulling thru the fiber near the seed to get the sweet juice ;) Call me crazy! I guess all the mangoes today are started on Turpentine stock.
Turpentine is great for juicing too in my opinion !
Thanks for sharing from your experience
I agree if you live in fl. Here in Az bigger is better
Man, i wish i could find Jamaican Cherry in Texas. Even rooted cuttings is pushing 20 bucks. Before shipping. At this point id buy someones pruning cuttings.
I should have more available soon!