Gcaleka's Phala Phala report opens can of worms
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- A showdown is looming in the courts between the office of the Public Protector and opposition political parties. This follows Acting Public Protector Kholeka Gcaleka finding that President Cyril Ramaphosa didn't violate the Executive Members' Ethics Code regarding the Phala Phala farm scandal. Wits School of Governance's Dr Kagiso Pooe says how the parties argue their case is key.
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phala phala is happy to confirm captured Adv. Gcaleka as PP.
A sober analysis Dr Kagiso!
Gcaleka has missed an opportunity to be criticized for what's right, and things would be much easier for her if she went the opposite direction, coz the panel had already pronounced something in that direction. That was going to pave a fair way in attaining the position of Public Protector!
A clear display of capture.
How is it that we are now told to judge the office not the person but Mkhwebane is being singled out??
The office was stable and in full functioning order when mkwebane resumed. A lot happened during and thereafter. Hence we must look at the office as well while we judging the pp
The double standards. Tsi.
She must be exposed!!!
The PP office died when Thuli Madonsela left the post
Oh please! That Stellenbosch stooge? I suppose anyone who protects minority interests in SA is the object of affection.
It actually came to life when Mkhwebane took over and died when Mkhwebane was suspended
The office died after the illegal suspension of pp
Madonsela would have arrive to this same conclusion, coz she had already defended Ramaphosa, saying there was no corruption in the Phala Phala! You people mustn't visit politics if like to comment on them, you must stick to them
There is no way Rhoode has a case to answer while the man who recuirted him is innocent, Gcaleka is useless
@stinkmeanerza9025
Is your comment an assumption or fiction? Did anyone give any evidence of instruction given to Rhoode to act the way he did? If no than Ramaphosa won't surely be guilty over someone else conduct definitely? Read the report again you would realize that Rhoode and the police conducted a covet investigation while they were not supposed to and they didn't counter the APP when they were given opportunity to oppose that position with the preliminary report, So your assumption doesn't seem hold factual ground somehow
@@koolerkool8008 the president said he just told the police boss but did not open a case. What does that tell you?
@Thembalethu710
That's why the acting PP recommended for Rhoode and the other police officer to investigated because they were told to open the case and have the matter taken further, but it turns out that instead of them doing what they told to do, they went out and start to investigate the matter themselves, and it is on that basis that the Acting PP recommended that the police commisioner and the Minister of police should act against Rhoode for that specific conduct because he wasn't supposed to do that. So, next time, try to analyze issues with objective and open mind instead of being pre-conceptual and prejudicial. Gcaleka is not mad to make such serious recommendations against someone if she knows that might hang and tie herself legally in the process. I know some of are passive observers and pre-conceptually analyze this issue with political expedient mind set from that angle, but this beyond conventional politics, so one would be a cacophony if they interpret this matter through political lenses
@@koolerkool8008 that a lie, the police boss is not the owner of Phala Phala, but the president is, therefore the president as the owner of Phala Phala is the one who was supposed open a case at a police station.
@Thembalethu710
You still don't get the point. There are two things you are missing here. First, the VIP protection service team of the presidency is hired to carry out specific tasks on behalf of the president that's why Wally Rhoode and his team are employed to do that job, if you want to claim that the president was supposed to bypass protocol to engage in things his is hired to do than you have limited understanding of how certain protocol works in line with powers and privileges given to a sitting President. That is your first weak leg of your argument. Secondly, Rhoode and the other officer conducted covet and unlawful interrogation of witnesses instead of opening the case, and you simply don't want to talk about that because it doesn't fit your narrative. Still, I say your judgment and observations are pre-conceptual and prejudicial because your reasoning doesn't have both factual legitimacy logical validity
gcaleka is a phala phala protector,a dubiuos character.
We are all of this because of DA, they join appeal of western cape high court on Busisiwe Mkhwebane to come back. And now DA want us to believe they are strong opposition fighting corruption, so DA put us in this mess .
Indeed, now they act as if they are outraged.
Where was the outrage when Miss Mkhebane was not reinstated right after the court ruling that found her suspension unlawful?
Exactly
True, DA caused all the nonsense.
Very true.
Your poor analysis of facts is astonishing.
This is an opportunity for opposition partion to work together. Challenge this report
It's going to be a difficult journey for the opposition parties, because of the lack of evidence to support their allegations against the president. Until they have concrete evidence to prove otherwise that Acting PPSA was wrong
@@lufunonemakonde4178 We only need it to be pointed out that Gcaleka didn't do the job as she should have. Discredit the report and its author
@@lufunonemakonde4178 We need to expose the cabal and the capture
@@drandrewsibisi I also have a lot of questions concerning that report and Mr Frazer must also finish what he had started. He can no just leave us in the middle of nowhere.
@@lufunonemakonde4178 Frazer did not leave us in the middle of no where, but Gcaleka chose not to call him to present his evidence or give clarity of some sort.
Money kept in a house is money not declared to SARS,let everyone take their money home so that SARS has no knowledge of such
It is shame and disgrace I don't trust this woman really.
Why did qcaleka not touch the 31 questions asked by her senior?
Sadly the mere fact that Arthur Fraser spilled the beans, makes us suspicious.
Gcaleka was tweaking for Cyril, this report belongs to the bin
PP produced a very solid sober report on this one, something that has happened long time ago.
These parties need a bright lawyer and possible intergrate the review, and we all know who😅
But sometimes let's not forget that legal minds fo flirt with the incumbency and once in position sing a different tone, remember Zondo starting as a Ramaphosa man and now is biting back, Mogoeng once tauted as a Zuma man.
Rhode is the Fall Guy for Cyril & the acting PP. She did what she did so as to secure her position for PP.
SARS is clear, they cannot report on $580 000 [R8 million]if they have not received it, it was in the farmhouse.
Lemenemene la mosadi o emela mashodu a utswang
Its clear that the public protector is covering up for Ramaphosa and her findings is not correct. Why has Ramaphosa been silent about the matter and not come forward with really happend ? Its clear that Ramaphosa is hiding something. Of course its much easier to blame somebody else for what has happened.
All who are attacking the person of the public protector are playing politics. The attack should be if she did not follow the law.
The case of the missing undocumented money on the Executive's "ranch". A rich man shall empoverish to maintain his and her comfort.
Qcaleka is compaigning for the position
I do agree with most of what the analyst said in this interview. However the challenge of proving factually and evidence as to whether Rhoode acted on instruction from the President or not will hard to proof especially if there's evidence to elevate that point. It is one thing to assume the proportion but it is another to show and present evidence to back up the claim. From my end the matter will be hotly contested on the legal interpretation of what constituted paid work to establish the breach of ethics code, the rest of the issues are low waters and lingering low hanging fruits to be swamped down the drain
Why are they not investigating Arthur Fraser?
@pamelaleibowitz3019
I haven't heard anyone pushing Fraser for answers as to where he got the whole dossier of Phala Phala documents from. Gcaleka points out that Fraser didn't disclose the source of his evidence, even if he is obliged by the law to do so? So, until this day, no one knows whether or not Arthur Fraser was given stolen information or whether he has secret intelligence service he is running privately somewhere to monitor and download information remotely and covetily, However what I can recover from the independent panel report is that former CJ Zandile Ngcobo raised some grave concerns about certain portions of Fraser's evidence as to how he obtain certain information he gave to authorities, so lets and wait see how things would unfolds in the future though 😉
Contradiction... One would expect u to stand by the interpretation and application of the law. It is about the office of pp not an individual. This is a collective judgment .
The issue here why keep the money in couches not the bank... answer please President
Of course, Me Ramaphosa will walk tall, he has shown to have no conscience. Mr Ramaphosa is also well known to dodge the truth.
Kuxhashazwa umthetho wezwe,Kanti aBantu okuthiwa bafundile Kanti banjani ??? Babuye bahlaphaze nabanye abathi nabo bafundile,niyokhuluma I English nize nikhihlize amagwebu ,le yimfundo yamanga Lena . Le English yenza aBantu ukuthi bangabinalo iqiniso , sithandaza nge English singabantu,sibize amadlozi nge English language ,nezangoma zibhula nge English language, ,mina alikho iphupho angake ngaliphupha nge English language,,yingakho aBantu benamanga bebadala. Ayiyekwe Lendaba Phala Phala sicabange ezinye izinto, wavuma ukuthi uyazi ngama dollar manje kufunwani ? ,Washo nge English language, bangaki aba Bhenka edlini ? Wayeqale Nini ukuyi Beka endlini ?l wayiqoqa wayisa ebhenki ? ? Kuhle ukuzibekela imali yakho endlini??
Is the doctor required to test the PP's political or legal logic. Does the doctor have the requisite tools to render a constitutional and legal diagnosis. If not, the whole interview is a waste of time.
A classic case of DEMOCRACY tripping on its own DEMOCRATIC processes! This is how stupid democracy can actually be! 🤷♂🤷♂
Adv. Gcaleka is not fit at all to investigate this matter she is biased and she has proved to be unfair especially when she told her boss Adv Mkhwebane that the funds to pay for her case was nomore and today she is so brave that she tells the masses that Ramaphosa is off the hook
Why is Phala Phala important to ordinar South Africans? I dont think it is, it is only the media and the opposition parties that are making it to be important. There is no public money involved or any loss to the country. What is the ethical issue here?
what grade was your weed😮
In South Africa you are not allowed to keep money in your couch that is y is so important
Liar public protector
This is sick sick political story
What did we expect from an acting thou 🤷🏾♂️the root coz of this issue is the racist Da..if at any particularly moment we have a PP who is scared of or friend with president then the country is doomed 🤞🏽
Not that I expect an answer from you.. Would you please care to explain your logic on how the DA is racist?
@@shoelase1015 they practice and advocate for racism..
@@SonOfTheSoil834 Are we sure we are talking about the same DA? Have you actually watched anything from the DA? You sound very ignorant.
@@SonOfTheSoil834 DA is one of the only/few parties in the country that has White/Black/Coloured Members on it's top execs. How can they be racist if that is true? (ANC and EFF are all black, does that make them racist parties?)
@@SonOfTheSoil834 But again, I do not expect a response from you.