@@Balakademi Probably. As long as it gives the player something extra. I've seen art books/concept art of the game (pdf), new levels, character customization (skins, etc.)
I played several mobile roguelikes and also the vampire survivors mobile(which is free for base game but has paid dlcs) but I have weeks in holocure(and IMO its not just better than vampire survivors its also the best suvivorlike roguelike) One correction: in fact Holocure is a completely free game, not even free to play, there is no way to pay the dev not even donations. He's an established anime animator and because it's a fan game he didn't want to risk a lawsuit so he made it free.
One thing you did not mention when working on a small game is that the faster you close the gameplay loop and extend it, the more fun the development is in general, because you feel accomplished already for making a running game. And I think having fun and being enthusiastic during development may also end up in a better game
I released the demo for one month. ~ 7 000 people added the game to their libraries ("Lifetime free licenses"), only ~ 20 people actually played the game ("Lifetime unique users") , what are the other less than 6 980 ? (a) people adding every possible game to their libraries (b) bots ?
Probably adding just to have it. "I might play it some day" - never comes. I've bought (paid for) games that looked kind of neat and then never gotten around to playing them. Probably half my Steam library are games I never actually played even once. Not surprising people would do that for a game that's entirely free.
most are bots. Farming some achievements. Yes we all have games lurking in the corner but not 99.9 % of us. So B.O.Ts Do the farm.😅 . There you get your Data in the void. I have 20000 and 26 Played Demo. Steam will one day find a solution maybe
@@VSalgc The official support answered me about the bot problem that they can't share any information about this with me and that I must write on the forum - they gave me the link to "Steam Forums > Suggestions / Ideas" (saying the Steam devs are often reading the posts there). They didn't even forwarded my question to a corresponding team ... * Everyone can translate the official answer to more casual language
Do whatever the hell you want. don't follow the status quo. God damn, people, please stop following the crowd. do your own thng. You're human you can think on your own. Be you, not them. easy, simple, act now. and or you face the biggest mistake in your life. but that's okay, that is reality.
I don't see how your comment is relevant to this video mate. If you want to make money on Steam, you will have to do what works on Steam. Players don't care whether you are "doing what you want". They only see what you release and how you release it.
nothing bad of getting an advice or trying to get a direction if youre feeling lost and its also very important to scout the market and the trend or public opinions or what the rest of the crowd is thinking
Hey man! What was your exprerience reaching content creators with the pizza game? What was the response percentage roughly? I guess the actual content of your email/message affects it tremendously. Also you had the good fortune of saying you have 30k subscribers on RUclips which probably helped.
I think he sent over 150 letters and only 3 played his game and 1 of those 3 was Japanese and after him other Japanese started playing the game. My experience : I sent ~ 300 e-mails with free keys to game oriented (small and medium sized channels) Influencers (RUclips and Twitch) and gaming journals (english speking - small, medium and big journals, all over the world). I sent 100 free keys to Steam Curators (the maximum is 100). 1 youtuber made a preview. 1 twitch streamer played my game. 4 Steam Curators previewed my game. One youtuber asked me for a 25 $ "donation" to make a short video about my game.
No, having 30k subs on RUclips did absolutely nothing and is something I didn't even mention. Don't make excuses "oh I could never do this because I don't have 30k subs" We had about a 5% response rate, which is similar to Forge Industry. Also, the video before this one goes fully in depth on it: ruclips.net/video/VHDfuDVsZvs/видео.html -M
What do you think of the tactic of a free base game, with paid expansions. or providing a the final pre-release version free as a demo and the supported version of the game paid?
i believe its better to set a low price rather than make it for free because if there is actually some ppl that search out based on the game dev it will prolly be a small more over the mature end of age
I'd just like to clarify that donation DLCs have to include something now, you can't just create an empty dlc just for donations anymore.
can include just new ui background color
@@Balakademi Probably. As long as it gives the player something extra. I've seen art books/concept art of the game (pdf), new levels, character customization (skins, etc.)
I played several mobile roguelikes and also the vampire survivors mobile(which is free for base game but has paid dlcs) but I have weeks in holocure(and IMO its not just better than vampire survivors its also the best suvivorlike roguelike)
One correction: in fact Holocure is a completely free game, not even free to play, there is no way to pay the dev not even donations. He's an established anime animator and because it's a fan game he didn't want to risk a lawsuit so he made it free.
Thank you, I installed it.
One thing you did not mention when working on a small game is that the faster you close the gameplay loop and extend it, the more fun the development is in general, because you feel accomplished already for making a running game.
And I think having fun and being enthusiastic during development may also end up in a better game
babe wake up new biteme dropped!
I released the demo for one month. ~ 7 000 people added the game to their libraries ("Lifetime free licenses"), only ~ 20 people actually played the game ("Lifetime unique users") , what are the other less than 6 980 ? (a) people adding every possible game to their libraries (b) bots ?
Probably adding just to have it. "I might play it some day" - never comes. I've bought (paid for) games that looked kind of neat and then never gotten around to playing them. Probably half my Steam library are games I never actually played even once. Not surprising people would do that for a game that's entirely free.
I’ve been getting free games from Epic Game Store that are highly rated titles, but I haven’t downloaded/played any of them yet lol.
@@ZahrDalsk Don't you try the game eventually and just stop playing/hide it if it sucks?
most are bots. Farming some achievements.
Yes we all have games lurking in the corner but not 99.9 % of us. So B.O.Ts Do the farm.😅 . There you get your Data in the void. I have 20000 and 26 Played Demo. Steam will one day find a solution maybe
@@VSalgc The official support answered me about the bot problem that they can't share any information about this with me and that I must write on the forum - they gave me the link to "Steam Forums > Suggestions / Ideas" (saying the Steam devs are often reading the posts there). They didn't even forwarded my question to a corresponding team ...
* Everyone can translate the official answer to more casual language
Thanks for making this video! Super useful :)
Also that Cryptis gameplay kind of hurt me to watch 😂
Only way to earn money from free games that worked was making something online and applying good monetization tactics.
I'm leaning that way. I hope you're right 😁
Do whatever the hell you want. don't follow the status quo. God damn, people, please stop following the crowd. do your own thng. You're human you can think on your own. Be you, not them. easy, simple, act now. and or you face the biggest mistake in your life. but that's okay, that is reality.
The self includes your environment, maybe you need a better understanding of what "you" means
@@nullx2368 Context?
I don't see how your comment is relevant to this video mate. If you want to make money on Steam, you will have to do what works on Steam. Players don't care whether you are "doing what you want". They only see what you release and how you release it.
@@dinokknd "Should you make free games (and can you earn money from them?)" That is my answer? to the title what is your point?
nothing bad of getting an advice or trying to get a direction if youre feeling lost and its also very important to scout the market and the trend or public opinions or what the rest of the crowd is thinking
Hey man! What was your exprerience reaching content creators with the pizza game? What was the response percentage roughly? I guess the actual content of your email/message affects it tremendously. Also you had the good fortune of saying you have 30k subscribers on RUclips which probably helped.
I think he sent over 150 letters and only 3 played his game and 1 of those 3 was Japanese and after him other Japanese started playing the game.
My experience : I sent ~ 300 e-mails with free keys to game oriented (small and medium sized channels) Influencers (RUclips and Twitch) and gaming journals (english speking - small, medium and big journals, all over the world). I sent 100 free keys to Steam Curators (the maximum is 100). 1 youtuber made a preview. 1 twitch streamer played my game. 4 Steam Curators previewed my game. One youtuber asked me for a 25 $ "donation" to make a short video about my game.
No, having 30k subs on RUclips did absolutely nothing and is something I didn't even mention. Don't make excuses "oh I could never do this because I don't have 30k subs"
We had about a 5% response rate, which is similar to Forge Industry.
Also, the video before this one goes fully in depth on it: ruclips.net/video/VHDfuDVsZvs/видео.html
-M
What do you think of the tactic of a free base game, with paid expansions. or providing a the final pre-release version free as a demo and the supported version of the game paid?
i believe its better to set a low price rather than make it for free because if there is actually some ppl that search out based on the game dev it will prolly be a small more over the mature end of age
Something is not clear, does steam allow in-game ads? Like can intake a mobile game design and just use it on steam?
I think he said in the video that they don't
@@dobrx6199 it wasn't sure if he means ads for the game or ingame ands and then he also contradics it.
Ok I've been binging indie dev videos all day and I've just realized 90% of you all have German accents.
The bg wallpaper is by the artist guweiz for those wondering.
I can't find it. I see only a girl with a hat, but no wolf with a hat.
Thank you so much for this!!
Market items. Free from game and sell on market give you money on all sell on steam
13:40 I talk about that.
Please watch the video before commenting. -M
I'm not sure if it was tried, but what if you release paid and F2P version of the same game, would Steam allow them to play on the same servers?
I suppose this would be determined by how the servers are set up.
Thanks
Path of Exile, yes.
kinda impossible for indie and solos though right 😮
Bazinga