Porsche 911 Coilover Conversion - Porsche 930 Project
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2017
- The Porsche 911 930 Turbo gets a coilover conversion with KW Suspension and we do a full how to install only to find out that we've gone too low!
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Did you do the proper chassis reinforcements to do this conversion? The stock chassis was not designed for coil overs, and needs to be strengthened in areas to accommodate the new loading points. You’re eventually going to get structural cracks, weather you race it or not.
Looks so sick. You've got some badass taste man. Y'all are awesome keep up the good work
that is one ginormous caliper for such ''small'' pads
and the ''gentlemans low'' is actually VERY fitting for the car in my opinion.
its a giant heat sink
I had a 911Sc, bought from a guy who owned a body shop and it was his personal car. Had black Emron paint, 10 coats, color sanded 3 times, it was flawless. He had it lowered, cut the Koni towers, and yes, going over bumps at speed, front tires would rub inner fenders and remove rubber. :(( On the plus side, girls would follow me home, and I made a few friends that way. Sadly, got married and sold it to pay for a down payment on a home. Not a bad investment, bought home @$139k--it's worth now $540k----but I had to give up my dream car, so there's that. 24 year timeline.
awsome! love these series, good luck
love the new stance. looking forward to the build of this beast.
In love with this build, some day I'll get my hands on one!
Thanks!
Not much of a Porsche fan, but I love this videos of this beauty
You guys deserve more subs.
The car looks really awsome!
That drop looks great!!
Such a clean car!!
Thank you very much.
Very informativ video!
Porsche 911 turbo update,it's been a while
I actually like the current ride height, As to the fender rub take a page from the badass 2000 roll them; won't have to be any where near as radical as on the Honda. Win Win just labor got to be cheaper. then boom your on the road.
thats the plan, I just gotta find a roller that will fit the 5x130 bolt pattern, my eastwood roller doesnt fit!
bumer didn't know that.
Awesome I have a set of Bilsteens for my 914 LS1 build up front the spindles have been raised 17mm 250lb springs with helper springs Elephant front sway bars up front stock sway in the rear with Koni's coilovers rear,,,should track well, Thank you for your posts 🏁🔩🦍🔧🏁
I have a 930 4speed to drive it
Hmmm, that really changes the suspension characteristics!! (rear suspension) Originally the load from the wheel is transferred forward in the chassis as well as towards the center line of the vehicle (torsion bar length). Now the load from the wheel is directly transferred to the shock tower (mounting point) making the load shift rearward (from stock) about 1' and adding significant load to the shock mount. Is this really all okay?
Yes it is. This has been done a lot of times already. If you're getting into serious racing people reinforce the top mounts but for street use its fine as is.
The height looks great!
That car is awesome
that black bird is on point pete
Thanks!
It's a dream complete real, great great job, get lucky 👍👍👍😘
i should have bought a 930 turbo, they used to be 20-30 grands...now I'm stuck with a depreciating 997s. I love your car!
Just wait 10 years.
Yeah hold onto it, 997s are going to be a great generation of 911 to own in the future since they dont have all the electronics that the new ones do.
What size tires and rims are you running? The fronts do look a bit too wide... or perhaps the aftermarket rims you are using has a offset that pushes the rim too far out of the wheel well? Any thoughts of replacing rear rubber bushing with graphite/plastic ones? What was the total cost of the coilovers? A few years back they were crazy money. Didn't you need to do a front wheel alignment ?
With removing the single rear torsion bar, do you have to add a sway bar to compensate, or is there no noticeable increase in body roll?
always , always role those fender lips!!
tuck the sharp edge seam back up!!
smooth where the tire could do the tire in...
and always use soft to hard bump stops so the rub never happens!!
limit the travel!!
old drag racer here...
thin tire sidewalls on my setups!! you never want to cut a thin tire at 180 mph+!!
Can you not just fit the upgraded 2 piece rear torsion bar setup which has the height adjustment built in?
Would you post a link to the model you are using? Is this the standard kit that is used on the 964, or is it the g body variant they sell?
That slide hammer has been seeing a lot of action lately. :)
930 turbo is ultimate dream
Hello I wanted to know if you can make a video explaining the adjustment on the KW suspension. like what the top knob does and bottom knob. Just an in depth explanation. I been trying to educate myself and im failing with my set of club sports
This should help: speed.academy/which-way-do-i-turn-the-knob-how-to-adjust-dampers-coilovers-hard-soft/
Thanks
Why would reusing the old spindle not be a cheap option? Is there not a pinch bolt to remove the old one from it's shock?
for street use the tire profile is ok!
I was hoping to see a bit more driving with those low gas prices.
slightly stretched tires helped rubbing issues with my integra, cuz god knows i would never slam my s2k lol.
94....nice. Wish we had that hear in NB!!!
Looks wayyyy better than when you first got it. Also did you repaint the car? I could have sworn that the paint on the hood and fenders was really faded.
No I just removed the faded clear bra :)
Loving the build. Im currently doing an LS conversion on my 911. I love seeing people not care about what other think and enjoy your car.
Thanks! And we hope you've watched our LS conversion 911 video :) Good luck with your build.
Could you tell me where you bought your coilover kit?
Roll the fenders and add more negative chamber?
Do you have to remove torsion bars to use KWs? Or can you leave tbs in and would it produce stiffer ride?
If you leave them it would defeat the purpose of going to an adjustable coilover. Remember they act like springs. If you dont care about ride height and want better dampening KW actually offers adjustable shocks without coils.
Glad to see you used a guard on the grinder when using a cut-off wheel - the NUMBNUTS on RUclips that 'play with death'. Most likely they have not researched RUclips for injuries and DEATH from such incidents. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
When you say 'quick ride hight adjustment' you mean a 10 minute job rather than a few hours?
the torsion bar could have just been moved around a few splines right? (after much more pain)
Yes, adjusting torsion bars is a cumbersome process requiring a lot of disassembly.
What song is in the background?
Got to love how you Dis' the design. You know the the one that needed no change for the 1940's till now? Have you never watched and history of the 911? Coil-overs on a Porsche might as well have put in a Subaru engine, fart can exiting the hood, 22's, and picnic table on the deck-lid.
Hmm, good thing Porsche still runs the torsion bar system... Oh wait they switched over to a coilover setup from 964 onwards. Guess they screwed up too!
1963 to 1989 was a hella run thou. sorry not as up on Porsches. Out of my price range, but the "real" set-up is what made the 911 the 911.
Ride height seems fine? It looks really nice like that. Or do you want stance over driveability
Its fine for the most part. Just needs to be a tad lower in the front to match the rear but first I need to figure out the tire situation.
I am looking at these for my 930. I heard that you have to reinforce the chassis if you are doing the conversion. have you seen any issues from not reinforcing the mounts?
Only if you are going to be using it at the track. Have had no issues without reinforcement.
@@speedacademy Really appreciate the input on this. I keep getting mixed opinions on this. I would prefer these to the VON ones at elephant, but I don't really want to pull my motor to weld in reinforcements until I am ready to do my turbo and stuff, but that will be a while. Glad I found the channel this helps with a lot on my build. I will definitely mention your channel in some of my videos.
Hé quy's are you comming at tremblant this summer, sasha might comme back?
You don't have to align it after that?
can u rol the fenders just a tad to kep the tires?
yes, that may be the plan
Is this the last video of the 930 project? If not, whats the next title?
what year is this 930 fron
Do you not need a torsion bar with the KW setup? Just curious but do you know what the difference is between porsche and KW's suspensions are?
Chris Soto the torsion bar acts as a spring which determines ride height. The coils have springs built into the strut and renders the torsion bar unnecessary. It would prevent any height adjustment if it wasn't removed.
Thanks!
your first drive after putting on springs/coilovers will settle the springs and you will drop an extra .1 to .3 inches which is why you were rubbing at the end of the video.
the issue is the springs are too soft. I'll be changing them out in the new year.
why don't you roll the front fenders? looks like you dont need much to do or add camber to the front?
Thats the plan, I just need a fender roller that accepts 5x130! The eastwood one doesnt :(
I got a full set of KW adjustable coil overs for my Peugeot 207, they are okay
We love KW coilovers been using them on many different applications and have always liked the performance.
will a fender roll not help? I can understand not wanting to do that to the car though.
Thats the debate, do I roll the fenders and wreck the originality or get smaller tires? Im going to roll them though.
Speed Academy I like the look of a good meaty tire, I agree roll them! :)
do yous get paid to do all this stuff or is it just out of fun. if so theres alot of work being put into doing what yous are doing. love watching you vids by the way keep up the good work.
We do this as a full time job and the hope one day is to get paid enough to support ourselves. In the meantime we live off of patreon support and t-shirt sales :)
Speed Academy hope all goes well. gotta make a living someway right. lol
cool
You guys should totally do a collaboration with EE!! You both have a S2000!
We sent him an email but didn't hear back :(
How many cars does this dude have? I'm jealous
why isnt fender rolling an option? you already bent the inner lip so might as well now.
I will roll them but my fender roller doesnt fit the 5x130 bolt pattern :(
It would seem that cleaning and regreasing the old parts that got reused would be best practice.
I think that's more than low enough
hey cool opinion.
04:50 - somebody should have given support by holding a hand broom in front of it. Its much easier to find a hole if there is some hair around.
Is it not necessary to reinforce the shock mount in the rear?
No, that's only if you're doing some serious racing and track use. For street use it's fine.
Ceazar Carr I was thinking the same thing after owning many e46s
Speed Academy Cool, thanks
Ceazar Carr the setup is only moving the location of the "spring" from the factory torsion bar to a traditional coil setup, so the force on the shock mount doesn't really increase. Springs suspend/return the shock to full extension... the shock itself takes the majority of the force as it is designed to
Nope, I actually had a strut bar that I removed. I want the chassis to flex and provide better ride quality for the street.
i'm sure it's been answered before, but what do you guys do for a living.... you all have acquired so many projects and toys..
Watch our Q&A, we explain it all! ruclips.net/video/IZgfTTPDZm0/видео.html
are you guys gonna be at grid life 2017 in Michigan ?
Yes, thats the plan!
Speed Academy well Its going to be my first grid life and I'm so hyped have always wanted to meet you guys
You could roll the fender lip.
Why not adjust the camber to allow the wheel to fit in better?
And you could roll and pull the fenders for added clearance.
No camber adjustment on the front, fender rolling is the only way to go.
I would recommend repacking the wheel bearings with some grease.
Good tip thanks!
haha at 11:38 it looks like your actual hand there!
You pick out new tires/tyres yet?
Yup! New videos coming soon!
What wheels are on the Porsche?
Rotiforms
RWB kit soon....?? 😎
Roll the fenders
Teiji Francis its what I would have done
I tried but my fender roller doesnt fit the 5x130 bolt pattern!! Need to get an adapter. :(
Throw a Recaro Profi SPG in the Porsche Pete and Dave! :)
We have Recaros planned for next year!
Man you need to swap out those bumpers but nice build
What do you suggest?
Leave it loose, Speed Academy style.
From "about 10 minutes" to "pain in the dick" seems to be the most generally accepted way to rate car work difficulty.
Grappler130 literally 😂😂😂😂
It always starts off with ten minutes then ends with pain in the dick!
Grappler130 I watched Edd China reset the torsion bar position to change the ride height of the 912 on wheeler dealers, and it didn't seem that hard but he is a Porsche/Beetle expert (and mechanical genius) to be fair! :)
I thought Americans only used Hammers and adjustable wrenchs on their cars but now I see they are progressing to slide hammers and Angle grinders. Probably just for Porsches
Haha, we are simple people. ;)
I think you should stick a go pro in the car and go for a ride.(something like a vlog/impressions/review ).
dropped the comment too soon :|
Can you not just cut the tab with a dremmel? no need to take the brakes off. Not the same as my 964....but i dremelled the tab and bent it to take the line out of the way. Bent it back when reinstalling.
I could've but I didnt want to wreck the original struts. Something tells me they may be worth a few bucks.
Maybe I don't get your channel. I am new to it, so that is likely. But, building a 930 motor and not driving it on the track is just a waste. And, you put coil over on but didn't do a corner balance and alignment? A 500hp custom motor, no expense spared, coupled with low cost suspension put on shoddily just makes now sense to me. I liked the engine build series so much I'm still watching these videos for now. I hope to figure out why you built a 930 part way (engine super awesome, rest of it bargain basement) and then not drive it.
Why does every car have to go to the track? Do you know how many Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. owners go to the track? Probably 10% of them, does that mean they aren't enjoying their cars?
Not everyone is into track driving so building a reliable fun and fast car for street use makes a lot of sense to me especially when it is an old air cooled 911. I have plenty of cars to take to the track, I dont need to build my 911 to be used for that. I want it to be comfortable and fun for the street.
Lastly, I think you should do some research on low cost suspension because KW is certainly not in that category.
I do not know how many P-car owners take their cars to the track. Good question.
But, a 930 is already crazy fast in a straight line and yours is way beyond stock. The amount of use you'd get from the upgrades can be full realized on the track. No way you can use the big power on the road.
Yeah, I get that some people have "well equipped" cars and don't take them to the track. But, take a GT3, I bet most of those owners do take them to the track. Just seems like your car would be so awesome on the track and so "too much" for the street.
Also, your channel is "speed academy" not "we built a hot rod and then cruise with it academy". Again, I'm new to your channel, maybe I'll get the bigger picture in the future.
Great set of videos, btw. Like another poster said, one of the best "how to" series I have seen. Many thumbs up.
I appreciate your opinions and response. As I said, for me the car is a street car, not a track car. It would take a lot of work to convert it into a car that I could drive hard on the track and there is no need for that. I already have many much better options for the track. And I dont agree that the 930 is a great track car. There are very few people that use them for track use, most are cruisers. Track 911s are NA and like you said GT3s
So-called "top hat" = upper bearing plate, FYI.
ahh nice. aka the widow maker 930
What city you guys in? It looks familiar
Victor Oliveira
Canuckistan
boofighter indeed
Just stance out the front wheels. Give in to peer pressure, everyone's doing it!
Haha, I'm going to switch out the tires and possibly the wheels but yes a little stretch out front wont kill me :)
all these cool cars and no lift?
We're working on it!
Roll the fenders. You don't need to change the wheels, you just need to get the fenders rolled. Simple process.
That was the plan but my fender roller doesnt have a 5x130 adapter :|
bacon fender life !
I wouldn't go any lower than that tho. It looks cool like that and I really like the tire wheel combo you have there. There is some meat on the tire which I really like, especially on 911s. I think it started rubbing in the front cause shocks drop a little after you drive it a bit. So now you should be able to rise it up for a cm or two and it will be perfect.
Really nice looking 911 bud. I like it. :)
You actually need to do a clip of this beast working. Show us some hard pulls with it.
I promise, next year it'll come!
FYI, Chris is coming to visit in July from Arizona!!!!
why didn't you just remove the whole torsion bar with the arms like u did at the end and just bash it out the same way? it would have saved cutting it.
It's a different design in the front and back. It's easier to remove in the front by the look of things and didn't need to be cut.
in the rear doesn't clear the fender/quarter panel??
It's too long and needs to be removed through the rear quarter fender hole thats covered up with the stone guard so that's why I cut them.
Ah right thanks for that.
better get RWB to massage those fenders!
Haha, or a simple fender roller.
What's up with the background music? Not a fan, makes me feel like I'm watching an infomercial. :)
Just roll the fenders!!
Rwb it!
Slamming an old 911 is always a really bad idea. The front A-Arms will constantly smash into the chassis rails, crushing that area, and damaging the chassis. Generally, if you've gonna run more than 30mm lower than normal ride height, your car is gonna be shit.
I think that in six months, or less, you will lift it back up to a proper ride height. Because looking cool sucks when your ass is getting destroyed, and your chassis rails are being smashed every few hundred yards.
You got the wrong wheels/tyres on the front, no doubt. Nothing worse than a 911 that rubs, or cuts at the front ! For my slammed supercharged 911 road-legal race car, I actually took the 19" Ace Spyder wheels and Eagle F1 road tyres off it, because the fronts rubbed so much, and I installed a set of 17" Cup One alloys, with proper sizes, to stop the rubbing/cutting.
Despite losing some rubber on the ground, I gained a shit-ton of traction, because I fitted the Toyo Proxes R888 road-legal Targa tyre. The car also got a helluva lot better ride *and* handling as a result of the increased tyre height. You need that when your suspension only has 25-30mm of travel!
Nice garden gloves...
Thats how we roll at SA!