Sparkle A770 16GB is $250-200 at microcenter in some of their in-person only cpu/mobo/mem/gpu combos. It's really a no-brainer if u want to build a mid-range rig and live near a microcenter.
i am watching this video as i am trying to decide between this particular a770 card or a 4060 Ti 16GB. it's really just for Photoshop and Premiere Pro, i will be adding a 4070 Ti Super a bit later to Unreal Engine, Stable Diffusion and some gaming.
i have an Core I3 12100, With an Arc A750 and 32 GB Ram and an Intel P670 SSD 2TB NVME PCIe 3.0 yes i know its not 4.0 but it has capacity and the speed is half decent and its the last Intel SSD ever.
Great video but the mic quality is really poor. You should consider upgrading it for maybe something like a rode videomic ntg which is quite cheap and has great sound. You mic is very harsh especially at s sound 😊
Thanks and yes, I can't remember exactly what the issue was but I recall having to try to boost my voice while editing this video ... I think I had the mic too far away. Should be fixed in the videos since then. Appreciate the feedback.
I'm going to buy an A770 this summer.. based off of the myriad of review and test videos i think this card will be sufficient for my use case and current hardware. I'm going to be upgrading from a 1050 ti so i'm happy that i wont have to play a majority of my games on low/performance mode settings anymore. Also, going from 4GB to 16GB is going to feel very comfortable.
And the drivers are only going to keep getting better … looks like the new Battlemage cards will be close to a 4080 in performance but half the price which if true will be awesome.
Have it, and it is a good card today with potential left. It does not get that big performance hit like the 4060 when using raytracing (probably the small VRAM). And XeSS is honestly good. Better than FRS and I like it more than DLSS. I can compare, I have 4080 laptop and an Arc A770 desktop. DLSS just looks more hazy and furry overall. XeSS can look worse on some occasions but looks better overall. Personally I am not a fan of upscaling and frame generation. Played around with it, but was not impressed. You get the FPS on paper, but it looks worse and can stutter with FG. If FSR gets better it will help a lot of older GPUs from any manufacturer. And prolong their life. Which is great from AMD for the people who have a small budget, or live in a country with low income. Hey we all love to play games.
@@BrunoOliveira-eq3ebI switched plans; i went an got a used 1070 for $100 and am using the money i was going to spend to put my self back in school.. then once i get my housing payment from my GI Bill i'm going to use some of that money towards the new battlemage gpus.
@@BrunoOliveira-eq3eb but that doesn't change the fact that what i originally was going to do would still have been a better experience ultiamtely. get rid of that 1050 fast bro it's crazy how fun gaming is when you don't have to necessarily play everything on low settings.
if they can give strong performance against their competitors with reasonable price for little long. i believe thay can step on better position of gpu market.
PPL HAVE TO ALSO REALISE THAT INTEL GPU'S ARE NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK.. JUST LIKE WITH RYZEN WHEN THEY HAD DRIVER PROBLEMS ON LAUNCH AND FOR A WHILE AFTER... AND CONSIDERING THE ARC GPU'S WAS A YR BEHIND THE 40 SERIES.. INTEL HAS DONE VERY WELL CATCHING UP TO WHERE THEY ARE NOW... TRADING SOME GOOD BLOWS WITH THAT 40 SERIES CARD .... CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THE BATTLEMAGE CARDS WILL BE LIKE...
Hopefully Battlemage will be competitive … the good news is that the drivers are now in decent shape and shouldn’t be an issue when Battlemage launches later this year.
@@blackbirdpctech WELL MY SPARKLE A770 TITAN OC IS GOOD AT THE MOMENT.. I PLAY STARFIELD/ROBLOX/FORTNIITE WITHOUT A PROBLEM...NO LAG AT ALL.. SO ID IMAGINE BATTLEMAGE WILL BE WAY BETTER...
RT on tends to be an easy win for Nvidia due to having dedicated hardware for it. AMD does not have dedicated hardware for. Intel on the A770 at least does have dedicate RT hardware, but here 6:30 having poor performence with it.
Part of the issue is the game engine needs to support it too … cyberpunk for example is an Nvidia title that only supports frame gen with DLSS whereas Avatar is an AMD title that only supports frame gen with FSR3.
Right now intel is only a 3rd option. They likely make up ground over next few generations of gpu but probably far getting close to nvidia's top cards like 4090. There is a lot of $ in mid range lines around 4060/4070 performance though they could get a piece of.
I agree … the good news is they finally got their software to a good level … hopefully battlemage can compete at the 70 level and help bring prices down.
I run a 1660super and wanted upgrade for a rtx 4060 its around 450$cad and a friend of mine ordered an a770 16gb buy mistake and wanted sell me for 350$cad so of course i say yes and im so happy with if hope never regret my choice 😂😂😅
Cool to see them trade blows, i thought the 4060 would totally wipe the A770. Hope Intel works out enough of the kinks where Battlemage offers a serious contender for 1st place in each of the price brackets.
I’m hopeful too … I doubt they will be able to compete at the 80 level with battlemage, but if they can beat the 70 series at a great price that would be awesome.
Should I buy the RTX 4060 or ARC A770 for 1080p gaming? price is the same here but I would like to add that I would probably use either of these GPUs for atleast a good solid 5 years or so I just need your suggestion, please. =)
That is a great question … given the length of time that you plan to keep the card I would recommend the A770 given that it has double the VRAM, which I think will impact you over 5 years, and the fact that the Intel drivers will continue to improve with battlemage and celestial coming. Just make sure you get a robust variant with good cooling.
I’m not familiar with that brand however the card itself actually looks awesome with 3 fans and two 8-pin power connectors. One thing you should do however is some research on the customer support from this company … basically figure out what will happen if you have an issue with the card and have to submit an RMA. Good luck!
@@blackbirdpctech it is actually reviewed by many good reviewers in my country and many people are using it The only other version of it is the SPARKLE one which I think you are familiar with Reviewers said that it is the same just the look is different!
@@blackbirdpctech And I just have one more question. Can I change the color of ARGB MOLEX powered fans with the application "signalRGB"? or does it only work the fans that are/will be connected to the ARGB header in motherboard
That would be great … the latest leaks for battlemage look promising … 4080 level of performance for less than $500 … add robust drivers and things will get interesting.
That’s true, but I think that has more to do with the bad press around the drivers than anything hardware related. It’s going to be an uphill battle for Intel with Battlemage … they will need to be on top of their drivers from day one to build trust with the community.
Good video. 2 decent cards but I think Intel was being a little too optimistic if they thought 3060 12gb owners were going to upgrade to the Intel A770.
If they didn’t have driver issues when they launched I think they would have had a shot at attracting 3060 users, but the really bad press when they launched hurt their reputation in the gpu market … something they will have to work really hard to overcome. I am happy to say their drivers work well but damn it’s tough to recommend them based on performance alone.
Intel was targeting RTX 3070 performance with the A770. FWIW, I replaced my RTX 3060 with an a770. I've been very happy with the results. The a770 outperforms it in gaming & destroys it in things like blender & stable diffusion. I found the racing benchmarks interesting, because they aren't matching up with results I have seen elsewhere.
@@harrybryan9633these are benchmarks with the brand new drivers, so that is likely why … that said, I have a very robust and time consuming testing methodology to ensure I generate reliable data so it would be great to look at other reviews that may be different. By the way, I was really rooting for the a770 while I was testing it … I had hoped it would crush the 4060. I am really hopeful for battlemage.
@@blackbirdpctech make sure to ddu the arc drivers between versions, sometimes you will get weird results if you dont. and, from the latest GN video on latest drivers, its starting to get there price-perf, some of the weird results he gets i cannot for the life of me replicate.. gta-v runs great on here for example... whats odd..and this may be something worth looking into for you... im using an old 7980xe@4.6 and get better results then alot of people with "better gaming chips".. i paid $257.60 shipped for this chip delidded on ebay from a seller thats sold over 40 of them so far... still selling them infact... and... my results tend to be a good bit better then most peoples in 'problem titles' the one other tip i can give.. test using dxvk and dgvoodoo2 for older games, alot of problem dx9-11 titles run amazing if you use dxvk-gplasync with async enabled, for older games, you can actually stack dx8to9 and dxvk, as well as reshade and... make some old games look amazing ;)
I swapped out my 8 GB RTX 3070 Ti to the 16GB Arc A770 and have not regretted it. The latest Intel drivers work great giving me 363 FPS max and 291 FPS avg in the latest Heaven Benchmark app at 1440p. I also have zero issues running Halo Infinite and all MCC games. FPS maxxes out at 180 fps with my 165 Hz monitor overclocked to 180 Hz.
couple of critiques. Maintain the same chart type and graphics. If companies you are comparing have a major color, you might want to use those colors. Once you establish a chart order of 2, keep them consistent. 6:24 has Intel on Top, then 7:39 Nvidia is on top. Make it easier for your audience to consume the content mate.
Appreciate your comment … will update the order to be consistent across the synthetic and gaming benchmarks … never noticed that before, so thanks for pointing it out. The colors are tougher … because I use red and blue corners in this series it works for intel and AMD, but not Nvidia.
Wow. Intel is making gains!!! Come on Intel!!! Bring us an option with more horsepower!!! God knows they have unlimited R&D budgets and they can compete at the high end with anyone. They're clearly working very hard on the software side of things. I hope Intel goes all in. Another great review!!! To the point. Review suggestion: I'd love to see a 4080 Super and a 7900 XTX overclocked to the max, in a fight to the death on pure rasterization performance. What's the best $1k video card? Overclocked, are either of those 2 cards even in the same ballpark as a reference 4090, or is it pointless to even try to get to that performance level with a crazy overclock?
Thanks!! Great idea, the only challenge is silicon lottery … if you get lucky with one and not the other it could taint the results. That said I have multiple cards for each that I could test … would be interesting to see.
@@blackbirdpctech I'm sure that 16GB plays a hand in it when coupled with the hardware decoding/encoding H.264/H.265/HEVC dual media engines. Edit -- we have one rig with a A770 and one (mine) with a 4080 Super in it. The only reason I have it over an AMD card or another A770 is because I do some 3D work on mine (Blender) as well as Handbrake.
@@blackbirdpctech You're right, if I look on the US amazon, they're significantly cheaper. Best price I found on our Amazon is around 360$ equivalent. Could be import tax or a weaker currency. They are still cheaper on Amazon than the reputable shops I checked before though, so thanks for the advice.
Intel should stick with reasonable pricing until they established that they are good which they already getting there . Maybe 1 more competitive pricing release and they can be a challenger. Take One Plus made a cheap good phone then made bank and good reputation and all of a sudden their pricing went as same as Samsung premium phones 😂😂😂
As soon as they have truly competitive hardware I think their pricing will start to rival Nvidia … that happened in CPU’s when AMD didn’t have great products.
true but their next gpu should be cheaper but still good then they can go as greedy as nvdia but if they go greedy now they wont make it haha @@blackbirdpctech
A local retailer told me that intel arc gpu and amd cpus doesn't pair well. Rather told me to get intel processor. If i get an amd cou i will buy a 7500f or 7600 and for intel it will be 13400f.
Please don’t listen to your local retailer, what they told you simply isn’t true. That said it’s a little easier to have an all Intel or AMD system because you only need to install one set of drivers, but performance wise it makes no difference and they will function equally well on either system.
Wow, thanks for the great comparison! I'm looking for a GPU. My cash is very limited. My setup is an AMD 4650g CPU, 16GB RAM, Corsair 650W PSU. What is the cheapest reasonable GPU to upgrade to? I wanted to play the old DOOM games, but it says my CPU doesn't support Ray Tracing. What are my options? I played Tomb Raider 2016, the one before Rise of the TombRaider and it did okay with just the CPU, but I need more and something that will play the old DOOM games. Thanks
Not sure how much you have to spend but if a 4060 or a770 is too much then you should consider the a750 (around $200) … I haven’t tested anything below a 4060, so I can’t provide a first hand recommendation. The other option is a second hand rtx 3060, but you obviously need to be careful when buying second hand. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@blackbirdpctech thank you. Yes, it's about $200. I will look out for good deals. I agree with the 2nd hand cards. I will never biy one unless it's a close friend I know well.
I'd say if your thinking of a intel arc gpu...do some research on the direct X support for the game your wanting to mainly play...as it's reported that the main direct x arc is built for is dx11 and 12...they did say they are looking to implement older dx games but I'm not 100% on if they have or not...🤷
Force of habit from decades running teams … you always say “we” to share credit … doesn’t really apply when you are doing it all yourself, but it still feels weird to say “I” 😉
Arc A770. Better performance, 2x the VRAM, every update it gets better and faster. And you can actually use Raytracing without upscaling. The 4060 was a big letdown. A really small upgrade over the 3060. I have a 4080 in my laptop. That is a really good card. But these are expensive cards and laptops. When on a budget buy the Arc. It has a lot of potential left. And from what I heard from Intel they are working on new translation layers that should significantly boost the DX11 and DX12 performance. It is a 6nm 406mm2 chip. So the potential is there.
I had to decide whether I would test the A770 against the 4060 or 7600xt ... the 4060 and 7600 are pretty close in performance so I don't think the results will be that different, but I might run some tests to check.
They keep dropping prices to move inventory … unfortunately there are still some larger channels that keep talking about broken drivers but they have never used them … it’s misinformation at this point.
@@brahimsaad6287 its a beast 💪 😎 for gaming without a doudt. I didn't face any problem so far. But if u are interested in running AI model with gpu (e.g. Stable Diffusion) , then u have to use your technical web surfing skill to get it up and running. Because unlike nvidia its not plugnplqy for intel . But rest assured u will face no problem running ai model after setting up. Works like a beast 💪 for ai too even in high res pic. Just u have to manually tinker with ""ipex""" or openvino or oneapi or directml. IPEX is best for windows intel gpu support and many AI webui supports it. I tried all of it but IPEX is the most effective one .
Not sure I understand your comment ... did I compare it to a 3070 in the video? I recommended the A770 as an upgrade option for 3060 owners but I don't recall mentioning the 3070.
The only way we are going to get price reductions is if we have a strong third option with Intel ... the A770 is a great card now that the software is fixed ... hopefully Battlemage will be more competitive.
@@blackbirdpctech certanly, we do Need a 3rd competitor on market... But I find Intel ARC very RAW cards.. Intel has always been behind in graphical technology than Nvidia or ATI /AMD ..
They haven't always been behind, they simply never went all-in on the discrete GPU market, they focused on integrated graphics. It will take them some time to catch-up with their hardware ... hopefully not too long.
@@blackbirdpctech right, Intel formerly made integrated graphics, but their cards have always been loosing to other integrated competitors and have always been on a bottom of the list even among other integrated video chips.... I see Intel ARC as budget cards...
@@blackbirdpctech intel is doomed to become the next ibm unless they can transform into the next tsmc and just give up on gpu and cpu design. The 7600xt is going to win that battle, specially when it comes to power efficiency
I disagree about that. Intel is suffering from years of poor management but they are in a very different position than IBM. They are slowly bringing themselves back into the game. They still have great CPU's even though AMD is a strong competitor and Arc Alchemist was their first attempt at a discrete GPU. They are getting a lot of money from the CHIPS act to grow their chip fab capabilities. I'm bullish on their future as long as Pat is leading them.
I bought a A770 16gb in Oct last year for 1440p gaming and my experience has been excellent and only getting better each month. Given GPU prices at the time and my options at that range I am beyond happy with my purchase. I ruled out the cards you mentioned for a good number of reasons, including current performance and expected improvements in drivers. My gamble paid off, and I would absolutely buy a A770 over the cards mentioned. And an A750 over the 6600 now. The 256bit memory bus on all of these cards (+ coupled with 16gb on my model) is noticable with textures turned up to max in games and the FPS staying the same as with lower textures. Just my personal experience.
Limited edition doesn’t mean the performance is different or better, it was simply the branding that Intel used, it’s like Nvidia’s Founders Edition cards. In fact, you can still buy A750 Limited Edition cards. Also a 4070 Super is a $500+ card … how would that be a reasonable comparison with a card half its price? You might want to think through this a little more in the future before commenting, but I appreciate your comment nonetheless.
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My a770 oc is rockin greatly with my my Ryzen setup. Make sure to have 64 gigs of ram!
I really want Intel to stay in the gpu market. More competition is better for consumers
So do I … we need them to be a strong competitor … at least the software is good now, so that gives me hope for battlemage.
Sparkle A770 16GB is $250-200 at microcenter in some of their in-person only cpu/mobo/mem/gpu combos. It's really a no-brainer if u want to build a mid-range rig and live near a microcenter.
That's a good deal
i am watching this video as i am trying to decide between this particular a770 card or a 4060 Ti 16GB. it's really just for Photoshop and Premiere Pro, i will be adding a 4070 Ti Super a bit later to Unreal Engine, Stable Diffusion and some gaming.
@@mrbabyhugh then get the a770.
i have an Core I3 12100, With an Arc A750 and 32 GB Ram and an Intel P670 SSD 2TB NVME PCIe 3.0 yes i know its not 4.0 but it has capacity and the speed is half decent and its the last Intel SSD ever.
Take a look at my m.2 gen 4 vs gen 5 video … makes absolutely no difference in gaming, so I wouldn’t worry about it not being PCIe 4.0
The RTX 3060/4060 and A770 are all within $10AUD of each other on Amazon AU. I am looking at getting the 3060 myself.
Why get a 3060 if you can get a 4060 or A770 for basically the same price?
Great editing m8, Earned my sub! I just don't want to overspend on a gpu lol going to a video editing pc with a I9 12900k
Welcome to the BPT community!
ironically, the best GPU for video editing is rtx 4090.
OMG you really got a bruced buffer cameo had me dying 🤣. I'm gonna pay him to say my name now but you earned the sub
Yeah, he is an awesome guy … thanks for becoming part of the BPT community!
I WOULD BUY THE A770 AS IT HAS 16GB OF VRAM AND ALSO HARDWARE COMPARABLE TO THE 3070
It's a great card!
Great video but the mic quality is really poor. You should consider upgrading it for maybe something like a rode videomic ntg which is quite cheap and has great sound. You mic is very harsh especially at s sound 😊
Thanks and yes, I can't remember exactly what the issue was but I recall having to try to boost my voice while editing this video ... I think I had the mic too far away. Should be fixed in the videos since then. Appreciate the feedback.
@@blackbirdpctech ahh okay great :D
I'm going to buy an A770 this summer.. based off of the myriad of review and test videos i think this card will be sufficient for my use case and current hardware. I'm going to be upgrading from a 1050 ti so i'm happy that i wont have to play a majority of my games on low/performance mode settings anymore. Also, going from 4GB to 16GB is going to feel very comfortable.
And the drivers are only going to keep getting better … looks like the new Battlemage cards will be close to a 4080 in performance but half the price which if true will be awesome.
Have it, and it is a good card today with potential left. It does not get that big performance hit like the 4060 when using raytracing (probably the small VRAM). And XeSS is honestly good. Better than FRS and I like it more than DLSS. I can compare, I have 4080 laptop and an Arc A770 desktop. DLSS just looks more hazy and furry overall. XeSS can look worse on some occasions but looks better overall. Personally I am not a fan of upscaling and frame generation. Played around with it, but was not impressed. You get the FPS on paper, but it looks worse and can stutter with FG. If FSR gets better it will help a lot of older GPUs from any manufacturer. And prolong their life. Which is great from AMD for the people who have a small budget, or live in a country with low income. Hey we all love to play games.
Hey, did you bought the A770? im thinking in doing the same things as you since i have the 1050ti too
@@BrunoOliveira-eq3ebI switched plans; i went an got a used 1070 for $100 and am using the money i was going to spend to put my self back in school..
then once i get my housing payment from my GI Bill i'm going to use some of that money towards the new battlemage gpus.
@@BrunoOliveira-eq3eb but that doesn't change the fact that what i originally was going to do would still have been a better experience ultiamtely. get rid of that 1050 fast bro it's crazy how fun gaming is when you don't have to necessarily play everything on low settings.
I honestly think I'd take the A770 easily
I think Intel is committed to upgrading their drivers so it's definitely not a bad bet
Great video as always!! It’s good to see that Intel has finally fixed their drivers.
Thanks for watching and yes, I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of issues and ease of use of the software … gives me hope for Battlemage.
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if they can give strong performance against their competitors with reasonable price for little long. i believe thay can step on better position of gpu market.
Agreed
PPL HAVE TO ALSO REALISE THAT INTEL GPU'S ARE NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK.. JUST LIKE WITH RYZEN WHEN THEY HAD DRIVER PROBLEMS ON LAUNCH AND FOR A WHILE AFTER... AND CONSIDERING THE ARC GPU'S WAS A YR BEHIND THE 40 SERIES.. INTEL HAS DONE VERY WELL CATCHING UP TO WHERE THEY ARE NOW... TRADING SOME GOOD BLOWS WITH THAT 40 SERIES CARD .... CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THE BATTLEMAGE CARDS WILL BE LIKE...
Hopefully Battlemage will be competitive … the good news is that the drivers are now in decent shape and shouldn’t be an issue when Battlemage launches later this year.
@@blackbirdpctech WELL MY SPARKLE A770 TITAN OC IS GOOD AT THE MOMENT.. I PLAY STARFIELD/ROBLOX/FORTNIITE WITHOUT A PROBLEM...NO LAG AT ALL.. SO ID IMAGINE BATTLEMAGE WILL BE WAY BETTER...
@@therpp9183agreed, the drivers were excellent when I did my testing.
@@blackbirdpctech and the arc held it's own very well for a old new kid on the block 👍👍
RT on tends to be an easy win for Nvidia due to having dedicated hardware for it. AMD does not have dedicated hardware for. Intel on the A770 at least does have dedicate RT hardware, but here 6:30 having poor performence with it.
Part of the issue is the game engine needs to support it too … cyberpunk for example is an Nvidia title that only supports frame gen with DLSS whereas Avatar is an AMD title that only supports frame gen with FSR3.
Right now intel is only a 3rd option. They likely make up ground over next few generations of gpu but probably far getting close to nvidia's top cards like 4090. There is a lot of $ in mid range lines around 4060/4070 performance though they could get a piece of.
I agree … the good news is they finally got their software to a good level … hopefully battlemage can compete at the 70 level and help bring prices down.
I run a 1660super and wanted upgrade for a rtx 4060 its around 450$cad and a friend of mine ordered an a770 16gb buy mistake and wanted sell me for 350$cad so of course i say yes and im so happy with if hope never regret my choice 😂😂😅
Great purchase ... the drivers are actually really good and will only get better, so I don't think you will regret it.
@@blackbirdpctech i dont think either ... great videi
Cool to see them trade blows, i thought the 4060 would totally wipe the A770. Hope Intel works out enough of the kinks where Battlemage offers a serious contender for 1st place in each of the price brackets.
I’m hopeful too … I doubt they will be able to compete at the 80 level with battlemage, but if they can beat the 70 series at a great price that would be awesome.
Should I buy the RTX 4060 or ARC A770 for 1080p gaming? price is the same here but I would like to add that I would probably use either of these GPUs for atleast a good solid 5 years or so
I just need your suggestion, please. =)
That is a great question … given the length of time that you plan to keep the card I would recommend the A770 given that it has double the VRAM, which I think will impact you over 5 years, and the fact that the Intel drivers will continue to improve with battlemage and celestial coming. Just make sure you get a robust variant with good cooling.
@@blackbirdpctech There's one called "Gunnir Arc A770 Photon 16G OC"
Can you please search it up and reassure me?
I’m not familiar with that brand however the card itself actually looks awesome with 3 fans and two 8-pin power connectors. One thing you should do however is some research on the customer support from this company … basically figure out what will happen if you have an issue with the card and have to submit an RMA. Good luck!
@@blackbirdpctech it is actually reviewed by many good reviewers in my country and many people are using it
The only other version of it is the SPARKLE one which I think you are familiar with
Reviewers said that it is the same just the look is different!
@@blackbirdpctech And I just have one more question.
Can I change the color of ARGB MOLEX powered fans with the application "signalRGB"? or does it only work the fans that are/will be connected to the ARGB header in motherboard
Intel's driver support could easily make up this difference in the next few months.
That would be great … the latest leaks for battlemage look promising … 4080 level of performance for less than $500 … add robust drivers and things will get interesting.
Since in my country the arc a770 is 50€ cheaper it ends up being worth it
With robust drivers I think it’s a great option.
Asrock Intel GPU A770 Phantom Gaming
Nice card at a great price!
@@blackbirdpctech Thank you friend, your advice helped me
i bought my a770 for 180$ used. you cant find a 4060 for that price!
That’s true, but I think that has more to do with the bad press around the drivers than anything hardware related. It’s going to be an uphill battle for Intel with Battlemage … they will need to be on top of their drivers from day one to build trust with the community.
Good video. 2 decent cards but I think Intel was being a little too optimistic if they thought 3060 12gb owners were going to upgrade to the Intel A770.
If they didn’t have driver issues when they launched I think they would have had a shot at attracting 3060 users, but the really bad press when they launched hurt their reputation in the gpu market … something they will have to work really hard to overcome. I am happy to say their drivers work well but damn it’s tough to recommend them based on performance alone.
Intel was targeting RTX 3070 performance with the A770. FWIW, I replaced my RTX 3060 with an a770. I've been very happy with the results. The a770 outperforms it in gaming & destroys it in things like blender & stable diffusion.
I found the racing benchmarks interesting, because they aren't matching up with results I have seen elsewhere.
@@harrybryan9633these are benchmarks with the brand new drivers, so that is likely why … that said, I have a very robust and time consuming testing methodology to ensure I generate reliable data so it would be great to look at other reviews that may be different.
By the way, I was really rooting for the a770 while I was testing it … I had hoped it would crush the 4060. I am really hopeful for battlemage.
@@blackbirdpctech make sure to ddu the arc drivers between versions, sometimes you will get weird results if you dont.
and, from the latest GN video on latest drivers, its starting to get there price-perf, some of the weird results he gets i cannot for the life of me replicate.. gta-v runs great on here for example...
whats odd..and this may be something worth looking into for you... im using an old 7980xe@4.6 and get better results then alot of people with "better gaming chips".. i paid $257.60 shipped for this chip delidded on ebay from a seller thats sold over 40 of them so far... still selling them infact... and... my results tend to be a good bit better then most peoples in 'problem titles'
the one other tip i can give.. test using dxvk and dgvoodoo2 for older games, alot of problem dx9-11 titles run amazing if you use dxvk-gplasync with async enabled, for older games, you can actually stack dx8to9 and dxvk, as well as reshade and... make some old games look amazing ;)
I swapped out my 8 GB RTX 3070 Ti to the 16GB Arc A770 and have not regretted it. The latest Intel drivers work great giving me 363 FPS max and 291 FPS avg in the latest Heaven Benchmark app at 1440p. I also have zero issues running Halo Infinite and all MCC games. FPS maxxes out at 180 fps with my 165 Hz monitor overclocked to 180 Hz.
couple of critiques. Maintain the same chart type and graphics. If companies you are comparing have a major color, you might want to use those colors. Once you establish a chart order of 2, keep them consistent. 6:24 has Intel on Top, then 7:39 Nvidia is on top. Make it easier for your audience to consume the content mate.
Appreciate your comment … will update the order to be consistent across the synthetic and gaming benchmarks … never noticed that before, so thanks for pointing it out. The colors are tougher … because I use red and blue corners in this series it works for intel and AMD, but not Nvidia.
@@blackbirdpctech overall, it was a good video, and informative
Wow. Intel is making gains!!! Come on Intel!!! Bring us an option with more horsepower!!! God knows they have unlimited R&D budgets and they can compete at the high end with anyone. They're clearly working very hard on the software side of things. I hope Intel goes all in. Another great review!!! To the point. Review suggestion: I'd love to see a 4080 Super and a 7900 XTX overclocked to the max, in a fight to the death on pure rasterization performance. What's the best $1k video card? Overclocked, are either of those 2 cards even in the same ballpark as a reference 4090, or is it pointless to even try to get to that performance level with a crazy overclock?
Thanks!! Great idea, the only challenge is silicon lottery … if you get lucky with one and not the other it could taint the results. That said I have multiple cards for each that I could test … would be interesting to see.
lemme play it first, see if the differences are significant enough to record
In the video editing world I would take the Arc over the RTX hands down, don't know much about gaming.
Is that due to the additional VRAM or other features?
@@blackbirdpctech I'm sure that 16GB plays a hand in it when coupled with the hardware decoding/encoding H.264/H.265/HEVC dual media engines.
Edit -- we have one rig with a A770 and one (mine) with a 4080 Super in it. The only reason I have it over an AMD card or another A770 is because I do some 3D work on mine (Blender) as well as Handbrake.
I use AV1 which they all support, but I haven’t used my Intel card for production use cases.
@@blackbirdpctech Makes sense. I don't use AV1 (yet) but I think I read somewhere that the Arc has a decoder for it already.
Where do you find either of these cards for 300$, I can't find them for less than 400€ and the A770 is more like 500.
I just looked on Amazon (US) and there are models of both cards for $299.99 US.
@@blackbirdpctech You're right, if I look on the US amazon, they're significantly cheaper. Best price I found on our Amazon is around 360$ equivalent. Could be import tax or a weaker currency. They are still cheaper on Amazon than the reputable shops I checked before though, so thanks for the advice.
Very informative
Thanks, glad you liked it.
Intel should stick with reasonable pricing until they established that they are good which they already getting there . Maybe 1 more competitive pricing release and they can be a challenger. Take One Plus made a cheap good phone then made bank and good reputation and all of a sudden their pricing went as same as Samsung premium phones 😂😂😂
As soon as they have truly competitive hardware I think their pricing will start to rival Nvidia … that happened in CPU’s when AMD didn’t have great products.
true but their next gpu should be cheaper but still good then they can go as greedy as nvdia but if they go greedy now they wont make it haha @@blackbirdpctech
Agreed … I think it will take them two more gpu generations to catch-up, so we should have good pricing from them for a while.
PLS HELP Intel arc 770 vs rtx 3060 vs rtx 4060 vs rx 7600xt in video editing or productivity works.
A local retailer told me that intel arc gpu and amd cpus doesn't pair well. Rather told me to get intel processor. If i get an amd cou i will buy a 7500f or 7600 and for intel it will be 13400f.
Please don’t listen to your local retailer, what they told you simply isn’t true. That said it’s a little easier to have an all Intel or AMD system because you only need to install one set of drivers, but performance wise it makes no difference and they will function equally well on either system.
Intel Arc need rebar support from MB; if don't have it will only perfomance 40-50% even Old intel piece.
Just combo with modern hardware AMD or intel.
@@SamRecon yes you absolutely do need resizable bar to be turned on to extract max performance from an Intel GPU, as I mentioned in my video.
The Bruce Buffer moment was a nice touch.
Thanks … he was really cool about doing it too … great guy.
Ahhh but wait, you didn't compare video and photo editing Arc vs 4060.
That’s true, do you have any video or photo editing benchmarks that you can recommend?
@@blackbirdpctechplease compare a770 16GB with 3060ti or 4060 and AMD equivalent in Adobe PS , PP & AF and Davinci.
Wow, thanks for the great comparison! I'm looking for a GPU. My cash is very limited. My setup is an AMD 4650g CPU, 16GB RAM, Corsair 650W PSU. What is the cheapest reasonable GPU to upgrade to? I wanted to play the old DOOM games, but it says my CPU doesn't support Ray Tracing. What are my options? I played Tomb Raider 2016, the one before Rise of the TombRaider and it did okay with just the CPU, but I need more and something that will play the old DOOM games. Thanks
Not sure how much you have to spend but if a 4060 or a770 is too much then you should consider the a750 (around $200) … I haven’t tested anything below a 4060, so I can’t provide a first hand recommendation. The other option is a second hand rtx 3060, but you obviously need to be careful when buying second hand. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@blackbirdpctech thank you. Yes, it's about $200. I will look out for good deals. I agree with the 2nd hand cards. I will never biy one unless it's a close friend I know well.
I'd say if your thinking of a intel arc gpu...do some research on the direct X support for the game your wanting to mainly play...as it's reported that the main direct x arc is built for is dx11 and 12...they did say they are looking to implement older dx games but I'm not 100% on if they have or not...🤷
I went with 7800xt Nitro +
I debated whether to test against a 7800xt or 4060 ... might redo the testing against a 7800xt when the Intel drivers get updated.
Nice video.
But who's we? 😂
Force of habit from decades running teams … you always say “we” to share credit … doesn’t really apply when you are doing it all yourself, but it still feels weird to say “I” 😉
4060🤡 A770🗿
PLS REPLY Intel arc 770 vs rtx 3060 vs rtx 4060 vs rx 7600xt in video editing or productivity works.
I would push for AV1 encoding and higher VRAM ... so the A770 would be great value for these type of workloads.
Arc A770. Better performance, 2x the VRAM, every update it gets better and faster. And you can actually use Raytracing without upscaling. The 4060 was a big letdown. A really small upgrade over the 3060. I have a 4080 in my laptop. That is a really good card. But these are expensive cards and laptops. When on a budget buy the Arc. It has a lot of potential left. And from what I heard from Intel they are working on new translation layers that should significantly boost the DX11 and DX12 performance. It is a 6nm 406mm2 chip. So the potential is there.
They just released XeSS 1.3 too, which provides similar image quality to dlss 3, so they really are rapidly gaining ground.
7600 is 250 right now and the 7600XT cheapest is 330 imo way better cards than these. especially the value of the 7600.
I had to decide whether I would test the A770 against the 4060 or 7600xt ... the 4060 and 7600 are pretty close in performance so I don't think the results will be that different, but I might run some tests to check.
get a AMD card for 300$ itll be better then both lol
The 7600 appears to perform below the 4060 … the 7600 xt appears to be better, but it’s also more expensive.
ReBar is extremely important for any GPU. Not just ARC GPU's 🤐
It’s helpful for Nvidia and AMD GPU’s as well however the performance impact of not using it is no where near as large as it is for Intel GPU’s.
Arc A770 or 4060?
My recommendation is in the video.
Bruce❤
He’s a legend!
the sparkle arc a770 has been around 285 for weeks now
They keep dropping prices to move inventory … unfortunately there are still some larger channels that keep talking about broken drivers but they have never used them … it’s misinformation at this point.
In my country its less pricey then rtx 3060 . And after watching this video i decided to buy arc a770 for my first dream pc build.
@@unknownperson815 how's your experience with the card?
@@brahimsaad6287 its a beast 💪 😎 for gaming without a doudt. I didn't face any problem so far. But if u are interested in running AI model with gpu (e.g. Stable Diffusion) , then u have to use your technical web surfing skill to get it up and running. Because unlike nvidia its not plugnplqy for intel . But rest assured u will face no problem running ai model after setting up. Works like a beast 💪 for ai too even in high res pic. Just u have to manually tinker with ""ipex""" or openvino or oneapi or directml. IPEX is best for windows intel gpu support and many AI webui supports it. I tried all of it but IPEX is the most effective one .
“4k will not work in most games with Ultra settings”
What do you mean by that? I do it every day
What I actually said was “4k will not run above 60Hz in most games at ultra settings” … that was the reason I didn’t test it at 4k.
Is the 4060 better than the arc a770? It has better performance and has dlss and rt. u cant compare the arc a770 to a 3070 if it doesnt beat the 4060
Not sure I understand your comment ... did I compare it to a 3070 in the video? I recommended the A770 as an upgrade option for 3060 owners but I don't recall mentioning the 3070.
I own an a770 16 and a 3060ti.
The A770 is by far a better card.
Agreed ... with the driver issues now fixed it should be given a second look by anyone shopping in this price range.
I hope Intel figures it out. More competition is always better for the consumer. Plus I really think some their cards look really nice.
I agree … I have high hopes for Battlemage.
LMAO the best they can do is not even match the 4060?
Unfortunately that’s what the data shows … hopefully Battlemage will be much stronger with more robust drivers.
Nah, Nvidia or AMD are bettee...
The only way we are going to get price reductions is if we have a strong third option with Intel ... the A770 is a great card now that the software is fixed ... hopefully Battlemage will be more competitive.
@@blackbirdpctech certanly, we do Need a 3rd competitor on market... But I find Intel ARC very RAW cards.. Intel has always been behind in graphical technology than Nvidia or ATI /AMD ..
They haven't always been behind, they simply never went all-in on the discrete GPU market, they focused on integrated graphics. It will take them some time to catch-up with their hardware ... hopefully not too long.
@@blackbirdpctech right, Intel formerly made integrated graphics, but their cards have always been loosing to other integrated competitors and have always been on a bottom of the list even among other integrated video chips.... I see Intel ARC as budget cards...
Hopefully that will change with battlemage
No competition in my opinion. The 4060 is better and cheaper. And I’d rather have a tried and tested company’s gpus instead of a 1st gen product
I think a lot of people feel that way, if it was a way for Intel to mature their drivers for Battlemage then it still might be a successful approach.
Nice video,you opened my eyes on intel gpu thanks!
Thanks … I was genuinely surprised too.
Do an Arc a750 vs rtx 4060
Will add that to my list, thanks for watching.
@@blackbirdpctech Thank you for the informative content! 🫡
Can I pair it with my LG 2K 165Hz Monitor?
Sure … it has DP and HDMI outputs like other GPU’s … I believe it actually has DP2.0
Anyone interested in the A770 L.E 16GB from Intel, which can be found in Belgium with me, please let me know
0:52 huh, why not intel in blue corner and nvidia in green corner? lol
For a very basic reason … I didn’t want to pay Bruce to record multiple versions of his intro for me.
You dont buy any of those, you either buy a 6600, 7600xt or a 6700xt.
I plan to test the a770 against the 7600 xt … they have the same vram, so it should be interesting.
@@blackbirdpctech intel is doomed to become the next ibm unless they can transform into the next tsmc and just give up on gpu and cpu design.
The 7600xt is going to win that battle, specially when it comes to power efficiency
I disagree about that. Intel is suffering from years of poor management but they are in a very different position than IBM. They are slowly bringing themselves back into the game. They still have great CPU's even though AMD is a strong competitor and Arc Alchemist was their first attempt at a discrete GPU. They are getting a lot of money from the CHIPS act to grow their chip fab capabilities. I'm bullish on their future as long as Pat is leading them.
I bought a A770 16gb in Oct last year for 1440p gaming and my experience has been excellent and only getting better each month. Given GPU prices at the time and my options at that range I am beyond happy with my purchase.
I ruled out the cards you mentioned for a good number of reasons, including current performance and expected improvements in drivers. My gamble paid off, and I would absolutely buy a A770 over the cards mentioned. And an A750 over the 6600 now. The 256bit memory bus on all of these cards (+ coupled with 16gb on my model) is noticable with textures turned up to max in games and the FPS staying the same as with lower textures. Just my personal experience.
@@GrandeAdventure a a770 above a 7600xt and a 6700xt both of whom are faster. Lol you are a deluded intelfanboy
4070 super, also comparing a limited edition vs a regular component non LE yeah not even a good comparison
Limited edition doesn’t mean the performance is different or better, it was simply the branding that Intel used, it’s like Nvidia’s Founders Edition cards. In fact, you can still buy A750 Limited Edition cards. Also a 4070 Super is a $500+ card … how would that be a reasonable comparison with a card half its price? You might want to think through this a little more in the future before commenting, but I appreciate your comment nonetheless.
you should just get 3060Ti instead, ~same price.
The 4060 out performs the 3060Ti by about 20% and it has DLSS 3 … the extra VRAM is nice but just get a 4060 Ti 16GB if that’s an issue.