Why I hate Salt Nicotine
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I'm in my early 50's and I was a heavy smoker, indeed I smoked since before I entered my teens. Last off I was doing a 30gram pouch of tobacco on a daily basis - that's likely around 50 roll ups a day. Now I tried vaping several times before nic salts hit the market and I always went back to my beloved roll ups. That was until I discovered nic salts. I started off buying a 50mg strength and it blew my head off but it got me off the cigs. Man, you are so wrong about nic salts. These days I vape at 10mg nic salts and I see no need to try and go lower and I've been smoke free for four years. Nicotine in itself isn't bad for you so why go lower than a level that satisfies and keeps me off smoking? The reason nic salt comes in higher nic strengths is that it is not as harsh as freebase so it doesn't tear your throat apart. Yes you're assumption is wrong - vaping is not so much to reduce nicotine but rather to keep a person from smoking. I appreciate your opinion but think what you are saying is counterproductive to the vaping industry. Nic salts are the best innovation to vaping and allows true smoking addicts to reduce and leave tobacco use behind. You should really address this and better educate yourself on nic salts. I notice this video is from 2018 so I hope you've changed your opinion on salts now but we're all entitled to an opinion. And is is my opinion that this video shows a lack of education on the true worth of nic salts. Peace and love.
I'm an ex-smoker too. My problem that I've encountered when switching to vaping is that I took a lot more nicotine than I used to. Usually I would smoke outdoor but with vape there's no need to go outside and I ended up vaping a lot so I understand the concern over extreme level of nicotine in juices. Being addicted to anything is bad, if you could use vaping to quit smoking than that's great, but even better if you could quit consuming nicotine. Vaping is a lot less harmful than smoking but it is still harmful.
Spot on...
This entire video was so inaccurate that it's genuinely absurd. You evidently don't understand any of the content matter you're talking about, even slightly. If I were you I would second guess making videos that push information that's going to mislead people. It's very concerning that you are informing customers and selling products, when you don't have the slightest grasp on any of this. Firstly, freebase cocaine is not used to get people off cocaine, it's called crack and it's used to get people more high, faster. LOL
Nicotine salts are not a "more natural" or "more raw" version of freebase nicotine. They're a compound made in a lab, just like freebase nic. Nicotine salts occur naturally in the tobacco plant, but not the same nicotine salts people vape. If you did highschool chemistry you would know what salts are. The salt nicotine used in vaping is a compound made with benzoic acid. This lowers the PH value and makes it smoother to vape. High nicotine concentration salt nic juices aren't made for sub-ohming - they're a solution for effective nicotine delivery using low vapour production MTL systems. You state that salt nicotine is more pure than freebase nicotine, but it's literally the exact opposite situation. Freebase nicotine is the pure, isolated nicotine molecule. Salt nic is a nicotine SALT, meaning it's a nicotine compound with additional atoms. Again, highschool chemistry would shed some light on this one.
Nicotine salts are not less effective than freebase nicotine at being absorbed by your system. If you vape 3mg freebase then you should vape 3mg salts under the same situations. The concentrations in certain juice lines are higher because they're designed to be used in different setups. Salt nicotine juices are not intended to increase people's nicotine intake, they're intended to deliver it in a manner more closely emulating smoking a cigarette. A few hits on a pod system vs chain vaping gigantic plumes with a sub-ohm tank or RDA.
Throat hit in freebase nicotine is not meant as a deterrent. That statement is so utterly ridiculous I struggle to even comprehend that someone said it. Whatever god you believe in didn't design nicotine molecules specifically to give a certain amount of throat hit to deter people from using higher amounts. Do you think people who manufacture diluted nicotine solutions for vaping put chemicals into the liquid to deter people from using a certain amount? This is literally some of the wackiest stuff I've ever heard.
Stop moralizing, stop preaching, do some homework and stop misleading and misinforming people. This is one of the worst videos I've ever seen. You talk about people who should be pulled off youtube, in my opinion that applies directly to you for putting out content like this.
Thats why this moron stopped posting videos 7 months ago 🤣
This comment hit the nail on the head. If you hadn’t posted this I was going to.
Sounds like someone’s super addicted to nic salts... put down the pod for a week, eh kid?
Ben Simmons Sounds like you are as stupid as the idiot in the video.
@@BigShaneGillis what are you getting at??? Salt nicotine is used in LOW wattage devices and yet some asshats take the 50mg challenge? Seriously? Nic salt pods are meant as a cigarette deterrent. Nic salts in 50 or 35mg hell even 25mg are for smokers trying to kick tobacco. Not gain views like an idiot. Not trying to be mean here but nic salts are the future for heavy smokers trying to quit.
Vape stores hate Nic Salt e-juice. Most of a vape stores profit is from selling 3-6 mg. E-juices. With salt nic people use and buy far less ejuice. This directly affects sales profit. This is why most vape stores are anti salt nic...
I find this hard to believe. You can get 60ml of 6mg for like 10 bucks; 30ml of 45mg is 20 bucks. They should be making much more money with salt nics... At least for me, I go through about 3ml of eliquid everyday, no matter what the nicotine%.
@@RemixedVoice David is 100% correct. I use 30-40 ml of Nic Salt ejuice a month. IE 1 -1.5 ml comparing to your 3.
i went to 3 vape stores and could not find one bottle of salt nic. I think you are right.
from the stores around me nic salts costs more than freebase e juice on average so idk
This is not true I use a 30ml bottle faster than I would 100ml bottle and the salt nic is more expensive
Why I love salt NICs.
1.got me off the "cancer sticks' after 42 years.
Combined with a Uwell caliburn they hit like a freight train and flavour is off the scale.
Some of us need that hit to break the habit.
Same is with me. Never thought i can get off ciggs after 16 years. In 35 mg nic salt i am off for 15 days. My combo is with caliburn g2 and podjuice tobacoo with no flavor.
To reduce nicotine i tried freebase 12 mg and 6 mg but not working for me.
The hit is so good it feels like cigg. But more cleaner.
nic salt is very effective to stop smoking, freebase is for fun if you never smoked you should not use vape at all. Nic salt has helped me to quit smoking and I feel great
I mix my own juice and switched to salt nic, I couldn't be happier. I still mix at 6mg strength just like I did on freebase. I understand people use vaping as a way to quit smoking all together, that wasn't my reason. I really enjoy smoking and the nicotine 'high.' I just wanted to quit cigarettes. I love the reduced throat hit and the quick 'pick me up' of the salt nic it is by far the better choice. Although I do understand your concerns and you make some very valid points. Like you pointed out I too find myself returning to the vape more often than I did with freebase. Aside from hitting the vape more often I have no issues, and I also don't have an issue hitting the vape more often, I enjoy vaping. Nice video, and good information for our fellow vapers!
I've tried both liquids.
40yr smoker - last 10yr 2+ packs/day.
Freebase - kept smoking cigarettes.
Nic-salt - quit cigarettes in 6 days. Not sub-ohm.
Just my experience.
I had a very similar situation, even high nicotine freebase liquids didn't work and I went back to smoking. Now I am trying salt nic and its a lot better
Amazing!
i find its way to easy to get nic overload on salts maybe thats a good thing but i prefer freebase keeps me off the cigs just the same, my wife likes salts just a personal preference i guess
Iv been smoking for 7 years and when I start smoking salt nic a month ago I been clean from cigarettes from day one till
Ditto. Freebase nic just didn't do it for me. I'm already addicted to nicotine - in fact, my brain has worked better since I started smoking. All salt nic does is allow my body to absorb it in a more familiar way. Works great for me.
The freebase crack cocaine never really helped with my blow problem, in fact it actually made me want more.
Lmfao
😂
Yeah...I think that's typically the problem w/ base...its just not so good at getting you off the hcl. Wonder where dude did his research and which book that notion came from..
I think personally for me that the nicotine isn't my enemy, the nasty chemicals produced by burning tobacco is. I am happy staying at 6mg/ml levels, and have no intention to keep lowering to 0mg. I wanted a safer alternative to smoking, and all the other people who were vaping before I was, are back at smoking cigarettes, and they all wanted to ween down to lower levels and quit vaping also, but instead they just started smoking again, This has become my Hobby making coils, temperature vaping, making juices, and I cannot imagine even wanting to smoke now, the taste is horrible and stinky. I quit smoking immediately when I started vaping and now it has been over 4 years.
so u like nasty chemicals that do nothing but hurt you and the whole point (nicotine) that causes addiction is not the enemy? fire up ur grill or light some paper on fire and smoke that than. lmk how that goes
True brother 🙌🏻nicotine isn’t the enemy, chemicals in cigarettes r the true enemy
@@suomynonaur just dumb
@user-ln3kr9yu6y change your mind huh? Who's dumb ? I certainly don't feel so lol
@@suomynona nicotine has lots of benefits and was never the party of smoking that made anyone sick. look up medical and emotional benefits of nicotine
Which is worse, 500 puffs a day at 6 mg, or 50 puffs a day at 25mg?
Because that’s the change I see. My puff counter was going up roughly 500 hits a day when I was using freebase nicotine, but since I switched to nicsalts at 25 mg, I’m taking less than 50 hits a day.
Methinks you just hate nicsalts and looked for research that supported your opinion.
Methinks thou art correct!!!
Fact
His same research that also informed him that freebase cocaine(crack) is used to help addicts off the coke!
Thank you for your info. I started vaping 5 days ago using conventional eliquid. While my cigarettes intake subsides, I still can't get out of cigarettes especially after eating. I decided to try salt nic (with pod) to replace my cigarette habit after eating, and so happy that I hadn't any cigarette within the last 24 hours plus.
I noticed this morning that I prefer to vape salt nic instead of regular ejuice. Now I'm afraid that I may be hooked on it. You're right, that nicotine high kicks in so fast comparing to conventional ejuices. Just thinking about it makes me wants more salt nic, even though I just had it a few minutes ago. It's a scary feeling to know that the urges is frequent than ejuices.
I’ve been vaping for three years. I started with freebase nicotine set ups. I still had horrible cravings for cigarettes and I did smoke alongside vaping for all of last year. This year I started feeling sick on freebase nicotine and I bought pod system device and nicotine salts. I don’t get sick on the pod system with nicotine salt liquid at all and my cravings for cigarettes is completely gone. I have switched completely to pods with nic salts and I feel great. I use variety of nic salt mgs and I don’t have any issues. My craving are fully satisfied and I no longer have to spend a ton of money on tons of liquid and big setups. I vape maybe 1ml a day now if I’m lucky. Instead of when I sub ohmed 3 mg and used more then 30 mls in a day. Everyone is different and everyone has to find what works for them.
I totally agree
I don’t want to use the nic salts as much as I use my vape , 7th day without a cig, I have both, a pod for salt and a mod for regular vaping, I use the pod when I extremely need a cig like after a meal when I’m regular mod doesn’t touch up my cravings but in between I use my mod to lean me off, my goal is to get off nicotine to begin with, a pod like that 24/7 would make me still want a cig. Quitting smoking sucks, but smoking something with so much nic in it would higher the change of going back to a cig
Least I’m my opinion.
I barely use my pod unless I’m inches away from buying a pack of cigs.
I agree with you..
Tina Depew I had a similar experience.
Tina,I just started vaping two weeks ago with 48mg nic salts. I will say vaping made me want to quit smoking and it made it easy. Going to be buying my first vape in next couple days. Going to set it up for nic salts for the cravings and freebase for relaxing.
Was doing salt nics, I could feel it was too much, like smoking 4 or 5 cigs in a row. I got headaches mostly.
Started on salts because I just switched from smoking cigs and wanted something comparable. This is the direction I was steered. 25mg 30ml salts. Switched to 6 free.
Very informative and realistic. This is the first video I’ve seen that provided advice that made sense. I’m a smoker and I’m trying to lean towards vaping hence I need to be well informed instead of encouraged to increase my nicotine addiction. What you have said sounds rational and makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the time and effort put into your research.
Nic salts are a very good alternative for quitting smoking, I used to smoke 4 packs of cigarettes a day, then I was introduced to 6mg e-juice vaping. This did cure my craving for cigarettes, however I was vaping more e-juice, compared to smoking. With Nic salts, I vape less and get more satisfaction than using 6mg e-juice. I use the 'Sourin Air' using 50MG Nic salts, and vape much less. I disagree with your statement that it make you vape more, not true in m opinion. The higher the nicotine content the less you vape period.
Same man..nic salts were the only thing that helped me quit smoking...4 months strong now and I cut down to 6mg salt nic and now mostly vape free base juice at 3mg for flavor ...love salt nic..really helped me and my father ..
Nice, great news. I start vape (again) week ago freebase nicotine juices and happy that cut my amount of cigarettes in half. I hated myself by smoking 2-3 packs per day whole 27 years.
Just today found out about Nicotine Salt, ordered some. Can't wait to try!
Btw how about now, after 11 months since this comment day?
@@Tj21415 how did u vape 6 mg nic salts? Sub ohming?
@@markalejandrox ya a few company make sub ohm salts .. Stay salty is one of them..3 and 6mg nic salt for sub ohm
originally we went to vaping to quit smoking and stop the nicotine addiction, i started with 12mg using those ego pens years ago till i discovered subohming and i started with 6mg , after 3 years of being a constant vaper now i vape at 3mg , it is strange that i can go for 6 hours without vaping , i dont vape while driving , now vaping is a hobby and thanks to getting rid of nicotine addiction , so if nicotine salt will lead to addiction then we must warn others from , i DIY my juice and for i like steeping my juice i have a stock of 3mg, next quantity im planning to reduce the ratio or even trying zero nic if it works , if not i will add 1.5mg as a start and see what will happen.
I don't think reducing nicotine was EVER a goal of most for switching. At least it wasn't for me. It is harm reduction, plain and simple. Nicotine is as harmful as caffeine. Nicotine is not the cause of concern with smoking, but in fact the combustion occuring with smoke in turn producing carcinogens.
Exactly. This guy sells e juice. So if he practised what he preached he'd only sell 0mg.
To be fair, prolonged, excessive nicotine or caffeine use can cause heart and blood pressure issues.
some people tell me it causes arteries and capillaries to harden and narrow.
@@TheCharleseye I know this is an old comment, but it's really inaccurate.
Caffeine has no such long-term effect. Most doctors will recommend two cups a day of black coffee because prolonged caffeine use has shown to actually IMPROVE and HELP prevent heart and circulatory disease.
As for nicotine.. Yes, that's true. Prolonged use MAY cause such issues. However, we don't really know yet. Most of the hardening of arterial walls was caused by conventional smoking - it's not just nicotine, but all of the tar inhaled that builds up in your blood stream and thickens your blood. As for nicotine alone.. Most doctors do agree it's rather harmless. And in mild doses it has actually shown benefits.
although the 20mg Salts they sell is an overkill. I think everyone should just stick with 6 or 3mg Freebase. Salt makes me feel bad like no cigarette ever did. Freebase just feels fine.
I did the subohm freebase 3 mg and I was constantly vaping. Never was satisfied on nicotine. I switched to nicsalts in a pod system (minifit Justfog) Much better, just a few puffs and I'm 'fixed' for a few hours. Instead of never putting my vape down.
sacnereob
how do like the justfog minifit, does it spit back or dry/burnt hits?
and have you tried any other devices for comparison
Totally agree ive been all over with vapes. Hugh mods clouds for years but i was the same way vaping 3mg i could never stop vaping. I now use the suorin drop with nic salt a few hits ill do for a good while. So yeah the nic maybe higher but the amount i vape now is nothing a 30 mil bottle will last 2 months and a pod every 2 weeks or so is 5 bucks.
C cruz works great. No spit back, or dryhits. Used also the the suorin drop and the Mi-pod. (with spit back)
Maybe a bit of a tighter draw on the minifit. But I like it very much.
I love the minifit, i too vape less than my 3mg freebase, i never put that thing down.
sacnereob that’s Part of the Reason I picked up the Orion, I was vaping all the time. The other reason is for traveling, I Believe it will be easier to just bring the Orion because the hits hold me over for a longer period.
But your dead wrong tho, if nic salt can make people quit sigs for good, we're on the right track.
Got me off cigarettes. Down to 3mg freebase nic! 😁
agree with u
I just quit smoking cigs not too long ago. Just got on the vape now.
@@LimbBone Nice^^ nic salt is definitely the way to go 😊
Facts
This is an interesting topic. I didn't know there was a difference. I have been vaping the freebase stuff and have been starting to try to switch to tobacco free nicotine or TFN.
Now I am left wondering where on this scale TFN sits? Currently hoping it sits on the freebase side as I prefer that type.
I could see a use for the salt nic as an initial tool to quit the smokeys, but I feel like less urges are better in the goal to 0nic.
from what i can tell salt nic's like juul and refillable MTL pods have converted a lot of people from smoking to vaping and that is the end goal. the effects of salt nics has to be way lower than cigarettes. thats how i see it at least. as with any drug you have to use it at your own risk.
No, salt nic is comparable in psychoactive effect to cigarettes. Nicotine wont harm the body any worse than caffeine.
35mg and up in salt nic feels exactly the same to me as pulling on a normal generic cigarette
Great video. Here’s my experience. Previously I tried to quit smoking using a sub ohm device and standard juice. The nicotine cravings were just to strong and that set up did not satisfy them at all. I have smoked 2 pacs a day for 25 years. Two weeks ago I discovered nicsalts. I have not even wanted a cigarette in 2 weeks. They seem to work great for me. I use 25 mg nicsalt. I do not like lung hits at ALL.
so if I'm understanding this video correctly I shouldn't be using 3mg freebase nic in my subohm setup, I should use high MG salt nics in them. Would 48 be high enough? This tastes really harsh in my Smok setup and when it leaks from the tank it makes me feel whoozy
Minor nitpick; deprotonization refers to the process of removing protons from the molecule, not proteins. They use ammonia because of its affinity to readily take protons from the molecules. This classifies it as a base which is anything above 7 on the ph scale. The opposite of this is an acid which will readily give its protons to molecules. They are anything below 7 on the ph scale. Might be a bit technical, but I have a passion for chemistry
Hope you don't scare too many people off of salt nic. I tried freebase vaping a few years ago and couldn't make it work for me. Tried salt nic, and I'm now off cigarettes. Freebase didn't hit me quick enough to satisfy my craving, and by the time it kicked in, I was overdosed. I don't know if I'd recommend salts to someone already vaping freebase, but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to someone looking to leave cigarettes behind.
I'm discovering the same thing about nic salt. Within just a few weeks I went from using one 1.5 pod - in a day....,to now using 2 pods in a day.
My experience (heavy smoker) with nicotine salt is nothing but GREAT! Freebase didn't give me the "fix" and it is too harsh on my throat at 12mg levels. Now I'm using 20mg nic-salt and I finally gave up smoking.
I enjoy the hit of a salt better for MTL; it's closer and more natural to an analog without a toilet mouth afterward. My way to ensure I keep things under control is "by sticking with one salt and experimenting with flavors using freebase nic. I'd rather vape a muffin at 120 watts than potentially make myself sick even on lower salts. For me, the flavor still wins. As long as you can keep yourself in check that's cool. However, I think people can do what they want and hopefully we can tell the industry to give us a middle of the road solution vs hyping shit up so much. I partially blame RUclips for this. As a hobbiest, I find myself buying things that sound great and enjoying them, but my old atty was fine. When does the salt not matter, and a more general question need to be asked: Are you addicted to buying stuff or nicotine, flavors, or all three?
Just my free opinion. Again, good rant and it needed to be said. Let's be responsible people.
This is just a plethora of ignorance and self delusion.
Great conversation my experience is it cause my sinuses to release a little blood when I blow my nose in the mornings so I stopped using it. Cheerz dude
Everything you said about freebase vs salt nic is exactly backwards. You haven't done any research on this at all.
I like nic salts because it is less smoke, when I use to vape regular e juice I couldn't breath
I quit smoking with juul pods, and I got addicted to them more than I was addicted to cigarettes. Now I switched to free based nicotine to quit the salt nic. Salt nic is really addictive, I just want to quit nicotine all together
I experience the opposite effects. I find myself vaping the hell out of my sub ohm device compared to 5 or 6 small puffs off of a juul or suorin air. Vaping, to me, was never about decreasing my nicotine intake. It was about kicking cigarettes and salt nic, not freebase, helped me achieve that. Kinda shitty that this is what it's come to...
True in my case. I constantly vape in free base whereas nic salt its like loading and then waiting until i crave.
I've been a chain smoker nearly 40 years.. I tried vaping a few times 5 - 10 years ago, but it just made me cough again never really satisfied me. Now with Nic Salts and the smoother hit and the quicker effect I feel I have a fighting chance now not to go back to the cigs. Its still hard though, still trying to find the most satisfying flavours.
I too tried vaping years ago with the freebase but failed to stop smoking, due to the lack of nicotine hit and the fact it was harsher than smoking. Now me and my brother have both quit cigs and vape only nicotine salt with our vuse devices, never imagined it would happen but nic salts are amazing for smokers who want to quit.
To be honest that is exactly why I went off of salt nics just recently. I've been seeing myself buy more and more cause I was trying to chase that constant nic High.. I wasn't leaving my vape alone and I was going back to it every 5-10minutes.. but as soon as I switched over to freebase, my cravings were subsided and I've been going like 30 to an hour without vaping. Freebase is the way to go if your really trying to get off of smoking traditional cigarette's
all in ur head buddy
Even though the nicotine level is so much higher, it means the user will have to use the device less to be satisfied. If you had less nicotine, you would be using it more to compensate. So in the end you are using the same amount.
exactly!
RIGHT? IDK wtf this dude is talking about. His experience is twisted.
salt nic is processed with benzoic acid. if you heat it up hot enough it turns into benzine. thats my only concern with salt nicotine in general and people are sub-ohming it willy nilly wondering why they can't feel nic anymore. check your blood pressure before jumping into this kinda stuff
People use it more because it's there, I never seen people sweating over their vape mod like they do their Jule or whatever..
Casper you would think..however..i went from 6mg nic (sub ohm) ..to 30mg (salt) out of a spryte and vape about the same. After sub ohming since sub ohming was a thing i got lazy, tried a juul and vaped the sh** out of it for a few months..that mango tho lol So the juul pods were too expensive so i got a spryte, and fyi...50mg salt out of a spryte will kick your ass! .but...i vaped the sh** out of it too! Now im at 30mg salt but plan on going back to 12mg-16mg free base..so i can say i half way understand this guys perspective
I use salt Nic and I have to say I have reduced my vaping by over half I’ve been vaping for 4 years now and if a 30ML 50 nic salt takes me over a month to go threw as of a 6 nic that I can’t put down my vape that takes me a week and constantly Vape . I can put my nic salt device down for several hours without even thinking of vaping. I work at a Vape shop as well. Everyone is different when it comes to vaping just want to tell you my experience. I do agree on not sub-ohm nic salts. I use an old school key fun 1.5 ohm 50 nic salt and I really love how much I’ve reduced my vaping intake.
my dad has been smoking for 30 years and has tried to switch to vaping free base nicotine but it was close to impossible, but when trying salt nicotine he managed to quit smoking entirely so if vaping is "healthier" then salt nic isnt a bad choice at all. And maybe eventually make the change to free base nicotine since its less addictive. Also if you are addicted to free base nic and not cigarettes i strongly advice anyone to not change to salt nic.
Nic salt has its place, especially for heavy smokers who want to quit smoking. So it's really important stuff. But saying salt nics are bad is outright wrong.
Well I Vaped regular ejuice at 3mg ended up running out of juice one day and started smoking on and off to the point where I was smoking 3-5 cigarettes a day and still vaping. I went and bought a Nexus one and some 30mg salt nic to help me get back off cigarettes and I can say happily that thanks to salt nic I'm finally off cigarettes again.
Dear Bro... Im from MALAYSIA. i think Your Video Help me FIND MY ANSWER... TQ Anyway. i just several weeks started to change to 30mg salt nic ejuice, especially a creamy version... from vaping a freebase. now.. i wanna talk about the health feeling & my body reaction to it.
When i vape my POD with the salt nic ejuice saveral time, sometime i started to feel wiered. My body will tend to sweating abit just like about to get dihidrated. Maybe the salt nick content doesnt suit me & especially a cold version ejuice.
I vape those freebase for more than 3 years... i enjoyed that and i never ever feels any bad reaction for my health compared to the salt nic.
My conclusion: the content of 30mg salt nic is too much & isnt good for health. Lower mg is better...
quit smoking also surely need time.
Eg: u drive 110km/hr and give yr car a sudden emergency break.. thats also dangerous...
Again TQ Anyway..👍
i just started vaping, i am trying to quit cigs after 20yrs. i ordered the joyetech ego aio, and using a 24mg, 70pg/30vg juice and the throat hit is harsh. i've been reading about the nic salts being easier on the throat, but most websites sell only 30mg+ nic salts. . . i get your point about the nic salts being more addictive. but i have been wondering why can't we mix the two, free base nic and nic salts, to possibly get the best of both. ?
This is something that is being worked on now thankfully. Lower dosages with a slight throat hit but still much smoother than a pure freebase version. Typically these would be half salt nic and half freebase. I'll be releasing an update to this video this week with much more info.
It's really designed for low power devices (pods) not subohming.
I must be too old and smoked too much, but I don't get "high" from any nic.
I'm fine with freebase.
I have sucked on this new nico salt pod vape I got for long enough in a single 15 minute smoke session that I got light headed, but i had to actually try to get that to happen.
even the nic salts are not quite as strong as cigarettes.
but honestly I think the physical sensation is the more addicting aspect of smoking, not the nicotine.
just look at how many people have been vaping ZERO nicotine for a couple years now, but THEY cant quit vaping!
Its not the nicotine its the physical sensation that is most desirable.
Radbug In a lot of ways thats true its the whole process and nicotine just adds to that and after a while you become addicted to the nic and just smoking in general in my opinion at least.
As a heavy smoker that just quit. I can say I have tried both forms of vape juice. Nic salt juices are the only reason I could quit smoking the other vape juices just didn’t do anything for me.
i recently left cigarettes and join to vaper community
i dont have any information about free base nicotine
can you tell me in this type i can find how much mil nicotine, it is like salt until 50 or 55 mil max or is lower?
how can i understand liquid is free base? can you help me?
I am going to try commenting without insulting you. Please don't make statements like "we switched to vaping to get off of nicotine". Maybe you should simply talk about why YOU switched to vaping.
In my personal experience, I am vaping a lot less than I was before trying nicsalts. As opposed to vaping a 60ml bottle of 3mg in two days time I am down to about 60ml a week and about 4ml of nicsalts.
You should probably come to the realization that all people are different, they have different motivations and needs/ wants. Don't be so self-righteous.
Just because you take a couple rips of nicsalts doesn't actually mean you are increasing your overall nicotine intake.
Went to a vape shop tonight because my regular juice with 3mg nic kept making my coils burn like in a day. Coming off cigarettes I went to 12 mg nic in vaping and have finally got myself down to 3 and sometimes 1.5 nic. But tonight at the vape shop they told me that I need salt nic for my SMOK nord mod. I asked if they had 3mg nic in salt juice, and they said no all salt nics are higher but I won’t need to vape as frequently as I do with 3mg nic in reg juice. I told them that I’m trying to get off of nicotine and there’s no way that I could go up to 30 mg of nicotine. They told me that 30 salt nic is equivalent to my 3mg nic in regular juice. I bought the juice. But as soon as I took a hit I had that high. So I’m very weary that I’ve undone all my progress in going down. I don’t know, I kind of think they are trying to keep people vaping nicotine.
I am struggling to find a freebase that curbs my want for a cigarette. I have been experimenting with different mgs, even gone as far as adding nicotine. I never feel like my nicotine craving is met. Im dragging on my mod every 10 mins. But smoke 1 cigarette and im good for a few hours. Im tempted to try salt nic in a pod system to see if that works for me. Any suggestions before I invest in a salt nic?
I’ve had my exceed edge system for 2 days this far using a 50mg salt nic from naked, my expectation was that I would lessen my frequency of hitting it slightly and be able to vape in more places due to the discreet style and low vapor production, instead I do find myself reaching for it more often despite my subohm tanks and rdas providing more flavor and what feels to me more like a full vape, I fully agree with your statement regarding that it enters the blood stream and hits the receptors faster but doesn’t last. My only counter argument to you is that the increase in nicotine should be proportionate to the decrease in coil size/surface area as you’re literally not pulling as much of the vapor. Ie
.15 mil of nicotine ingested per 1 second in the pull using a 3mg on 8 wraps of kanthal, as opposed to .075 mil ingested per 1 second pull using 4 wraps of kanthal, now obviously there’s no science to support this and these aren’t actual numbers, but they easily convey the idea of surface area of the coil hypothetically affecting the amount of nicotine ingested, however it’s pretty fucking clear that 50mg isn’t in any way proportionate using any numbers. I’d say the highest I could imagine is a 36 with the small ID and high gauge of wire in *MY* coil heads, but just food for thought, I’d really appreciate hearing your thoughts @Robbie Vapes
idk i quit smoking after 14 years with juul, then refillable pod system with salt nic, and at 50 mg i felt like i couldn't get enough, i smoked 2 packs a day of cigarettes, if the strength weren't there, idk if it would have worked for me honestly, i'd even like maybe a 75 mg solution just so i don't have to rip it so often, my nicotine tolerance is enormous i realize but you asked for perspective- there's mine.
I've been using nic salts for about 4 months I switched from mixing my own juice with free base for 3 years prior to switching. Basically I got tired of garbage products and companies flooding the market with products low quality products. Since switching to salt nics in refillable pod systems I've had consistent lower back/side stomach pains. Like cramps almost. I've tried going back to free base and it just couldn't give me the convenience or head rush of the salts. This is the first video I've seen that has mentioned stomach pains possibly being related to too much nic, the thought has crossed my mind but I never fully connected the two. I'm going to try and quit cold turkey, nothing else has worked and I'm starting to get concerned my organs are taking significant damage. Any help or in put would be appreciated and I'll try to update on how my quitting is going.
Charleé Eugene it seems rare and I've only seen a few people online with the same symptoms as I had. I've been back on freebase 12 mg in refillable pod systems for a few months. All the symptoms are gone and I feel much better
Do you really think it's possible that the back pain is caused by salt nicotine? I use it since approx. 5-6 weeks and my lower back also hurts badly. More than it usually does. But I've never attributed it to the nicotine...
@@ruanavailos4253 I didn't really think much of it until I switched back to freebase. Simple answer is I was hitting it too much for the salt nic at 45-50 mg and Poisoning myself. When I switched back all my internal pain went away I've since went back to salt nic but I'm only using 30 mg and I'm very wary of hitting it too often and I havent had any issues. This is just an observation and I'm not an expert but in my experience it absolutely had to be nicotine poisoning from using salt nic at too high mg and hitting to often.
I have been getting heart palpitations, tightness in my jaw, and muscle aches. Im not sure what to attribute it to as Im new and using both products/ devices. but I am off cigs after 40+ years
Vaping is what we use it for. I like vaping. I never wanted to quit. I wanted a healthier alternative
I went into vape store for 1st time in 3 years, and wanted regular vape. All they had was salts. So I bought one and have noticed in the past 3 days of using it I have been getting very bad headaches so I came on RUclips and researched about salts and I'm so glad the first video I watched was yours, I don't like it and I'm throwing it out I think it's trash thank you for the information
Great video rob! Even 5yrs ago this video is still very informational to me! I was started off with 20 mg salt nic with a high powered device and the experience was very aweful. Now im using regular base at 6mg
I gotta say this video is spot on. I DIY my juice and played around with using salt nic. I think it works well in pod systems but for me those 25+mg commercial juices hit way too hard. I couldn't handle that much nic in any device and I have no idea how people can handle JUULs. I nearly coughed up a lung when I tried one a few months back. I mix for my pod systems at 3mg freebase + 6 mg salt nic for 9mg total. For my regular "tank juice" I mix at 1.5 - 3 mg. I've seen how nic intake can creep up with salts. Another issue is all the pod systems. I have to admit those small AIO or pods are fantastic for on the go vaping - no lugging around batteries and mods etc. maybe what's needed is a new line of "small devices" which are satisfying with lower dose nic. my two cents.
your math is wrong, im assuming you are mixing half/half, half volume on freebase, half volume on nic salt, ie 50% volume 3mg freebase and 50% volume 6mg salt nic. its not 9mg total nic, its (3+6)/2= 4.5mg nic total
That could be a good solution to start with salts nic, for people having trouble with regular nic. The most important is to drop that pack of tobacco in the trash.
Great speech I totally agree with you.
I can't have my vape mod at work. So instead of leaving a mod/tank with 18650 batteries in a 100 degree car, I take my pod and leave that under the seat with a sun visor (to keep the pod as cool as possible). I only get two 15 min breaks, so I go to my car and take a few hits off my pod with 50mg nic salts. When I leave work I go back to my 3mg freebase nic and never even think about the nic salts. I prefer freebase, but due to my job, it's not very feasible.
here's my bias....two packs a day or 5 ml of nic salt...ive been going back and forth vaping and smoking for 10 years and nic salts sealed the deal to quit...so ill take my salts thank you...and i still love my nicotine so have no intentions to stop my nicotine just how i get it...the idea to get into vaping in the first place was to quit smoking
Thank you for making this video
Thats the same experience for me as well. Nicsalt gives me the buzz all the time but the throat hit is too gentle that i alwqys want my pod be in my hand. Freebase is much harsher and gives a bunch of throat hit i really love thats why ive started to mix freebase and nicsalt. After i run out of salts i will use freebase only. No craving and a huge load of th that helps me best staying away from a good ol cig
Very interesting! I have some e-juices from various vendors. All are 3mg. Some of the juice I am hitting on like mad! I mean I don't want to put the vape down. Others, I go a couple hours before I feel the urge to vape. I must research where each juice come from & try to find out the type of nic they are using.
Smartest video regarding nic salts that i have seen. I used ecigs back when they first came out. I quit smoking for 3 months at 1.5 mg. I ran out of e liquid one day, which sucked. Have been smoking ever since...i have spent probably around $500 buying and trying eliquids since then, and all make me sick..like an allergy kinda sick. I thought maybe it was dyes, then flavors, then type of nic used, then pg vs vg ratio etc. I can't get a break. I recently ordered nic salts, and same thing...but the lowest i could get was 15mg. Im going to try diy e liquid and if that doesn't work. I quit :(
Btw...all vape shops selling e liquid should have a "testers corner". Thats half the battle for me....i have tons of liquid i can't vape. What a waste.
I got hooked on 20mg salt nic, was only vaping 3mg freebase before. Now I'm vaping 3mg salt nic.
I stand with you on this! the idea of vaping it to reduce nic. I don’t use them do to this concept and my experience, and I would never tell anyone to use them neither
The idea of vaping is to not inhale burning tobacco. Nicotine is on par with caffeine as far as harm goes.
Angela Siegfried Facts.... totally agree with you 100% on this, I really don't know what the controversy is over salt nic or nic in general, it's the combustion and inhalation of traditional tobacco products that cause damage and kills 100s of thousands people each year not the nicotine. The main priority is getting off cigarettes, and if your goal is to ween yourselves off nic and quit vaping completely, good on them, some people like myself, just enjoy their vice.
I think that you should look more deeply into the chemistry involved with creating salt nicotine. It is not more natural from my personal investigations on the internet, Salt nicotine has been developed primarily for the new pod systems and has been converted to its salt form by a chemical process using various acetic conversion methods. With a pod system that is inherently designed to be a high resistance device ie., 1 ohm or higher, with very low wattage. therefore to get sufficient nic satisfaction for a former smoker using a pod, the draw is very restricted and vapor to the lungs very minimal with such Mouth to Lung (MTL) devices. therefore e-juice consumption is quite minimal under those conditions and a pod user may only consume 2 to 3 ml's of liquid in a day. Therefore to get the nicotine satisfaction a smoker formerly got from cigarettes, with a pod system the high mg nicotine salt formulation allows a satisfactory amount of nicotine to enter the body from only 2-3 ml of e-liquid. On the other hand a sub-ohm or direct to lung (DTL)vaper, vaping at significantly higher wattage (65-130 watts for instance) using a tank system that may hold 3 -8 mls of e-liquid, that vaper may consume up to 30mls of e-liquid daily. If vaping sub-ohm using 6mg freebase nicotine this would be some what equivalent to vaping 3ml of e-liquid with 40-50mg nicotine salts. (freebase = approx 180 mg nic consumed and nic salts approx 150mg nic consumed.) It is all relative to the type vaper you are. 50mg salt nic in a sub-ohm tank situation and vaping 30 ml of eliquid would be approx 1500 mg of nicotine consumption and one would not be able to get anywhere near that level before succumbing to nicotine overdose and its various ill effects. I hope that this sheds some light on the subject here. I personally began vaping four years ago with 12 mg freebase regular nicotine. I dropped down to 6 mg 3 years ago and found I vaped more at that lever using very low resistance coils. I wanted to reduce somewhat the quantity of e-liquid I was gong through, so lately I have been mixing my own e-liquid using 10-12 mg of nicotine salt and I am vaping less with the same satisfaction I had when using lower 6 mg nic but vaping more. The reason I did not go to the 10-12 mg nic level using the regular nicotine was because I found the harsher throat hit unpleasant. That is not the case with the smoother salt nic.
@Alaskavaper: You are absolutely right. To get the salt Nic formula the manufacturers the nicotine must be chemically treated. There are several ways to do that. Without that process nicotine salt would not work. And of course, with freebase nicotine you need to consume much more liquid to get the same satisfaction as with the salt Nic liquids.
sunglasses tan line, good video, i tried salt nics recently for the first time (20 mg) because i tried switching to a pod system, and i immediatley noticed having no throat hit made me want to vape it more, and along with that, i noticed the nic buzz felt different, instead of a instant typical headrush releif similar to cigarettes, it was a more a more subtle slow increase feeling of "coming up" it physically felt different and i did not enjoy it, using 12 mg of freebase on that same device was MUCH more satisfying, im thinking of going up to 18 freebase to reduce the amount im actually vaping, but yeah..no more salt nic for me.. However if salt nic helps you personally to get off cigarettes, please by all means stick to salts on lower powered devices, yes you may become more nicotine dependent... but regardless its much healthier than smoking
Imo there is a place for both of them. As long as people aren't smoking I'm fine with it, some people need salt nic to finally kick cigarettes, some find it helps keep away from smoking better than other ways of vaping.
Now for some of the nic stuff you said... As far as I know, salt nic used in vaping starts off just like freebase nic. It is turned to a "salt" by adding some type of acid, most commonly benzoic acid. If anynting normal freebase nic is the less processed/more natural nic form (at least when it comes to vaping). I have learnt this stuff from being a diy juice dude. Lots of good info on Reddit about what salt nic is and how vape companies are creating it (you can make your own salt nic from freebase nic at home with the right ingredients)
I haven't had a nicotine high since I smoked my first cigarette, that was the only time I got light headed from it.
If you stop for 3 day and you smoke again you will get high
Have been trying to find these vids on explanation of these thankyou
good informative video.
one correction at 2:20 its "deprotonate" not "deproteinate"
Nicotine is an alkaloid that can be isolated as a free-base, but when combined with an acid becomes *protonated* (gains a proton, or hydrogen ion) and forms a salt.
Its not about proteins, its about protons. Source: am scientist.
I smoked for 20 years and am 1year on vape only now, & I ABSOLITELY HATE THAT NIC FEELING OF DIZZY NEAUSIA YUCK! I just have to lay down or sit down amd wait(miserably) till it goes away. I AM TRYING TO DECREASE MY NICOTINE INTAKE SOOO, I APPRECIATE THIS VIDEO AND YOUR SHARING WITH US YOUR HONEST AND CARING OPINION!! YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! ALL THESE MEAN PPL LEAVING COMMENTS ARE OBV NOT MATURE ADULTS! THANK YOU! NEW SUB!
My issue with your analysis is that you are saying nicotine is scary in salt nicotine but not scary in freebase........
i used vaping a few years ago to get off of cigarettes. and for the most part my experience has been pretty good. until recently when i purchased 2 pod system’s.The aspire breeze 2 -and the vaporesso nexus which is nice because they’re small. I started using the salt nic based e juice and now I have developed a cough. as soon as I stopped using the pod Set up for a few days the coughing went away🤷🏻♂️ thats using 35 nic either way as soon as I start back up coughing returns it doesn’t matter what brand of juice. I tried my high VG juice and the coils didn’t do well after a few days. so after two months of of jerking around with them i chucked my pod’s and salt nic e- juice in the trash. Couldn’t see giving them to anyone and possibly them having the same problem. I love my Vaping and im back to a 3-nic on my normal mod and tank set up’s and everything is back to normal. my wife and me both had the same problem. maybe it’s just us I don’t know. but if it ain’t broke don’t fix it I will stick to what works.👍
LOL not sure why half of what I just said has been crossed out?? I guess social censoring is alive and well on RUclips
Edit:others have mentioned this but it deserves reiterating! Seriously dude, nowhere in the world is freebase cocaine, aka crack, used to help addicts off cocaine.
It is bizarre how freebase nicotine has a slower onset than salt nicotine so there is a reason for confusion. This does make your argument valid though as salt nic is (conversely to cocaine) faster acting than freebase and therefore much more addictive (and satisfying), like crack.
This is also why nic salt has helped me stop smoking for the 1st time in 30 years, whereas freebase vaping was nowhere near good enough for anything apart from a sore throat and lungs in my experience.
I love salt nic. The first time I tried it, I effortlessly walked away from cigs. It’s still an addiction, to be sure, but so is smoking combustible tobacco. It’s the lesser of two evils.
ive been sub ohm vaping for last 2 years. i started with pods and salt nic to get off cigs about 3 years ago. i still had my first sauron air and sauron drop pods. other day i decided to get a new pod for each and some new salt nic ( my old salt nics were 40-50 mg salt nic) and try them for the first time in 2 years. i got new juices (30 mg salt nic) bcause i thought the old 40-50 nic might be too high for me now. i got very nautious that night and it lasted til the next day. i had been so used to the vape and how you can go back to it and no probsl; guessing i over vaped my pods and it definitely did not go over well. i see now im not going back to pods and salt nic. im vaping sub ohm in 3 mg nic and the salt nic was definitely a high, and a full on brain and body reaction. the spacy brain feeling was very uncomfortable and the upset stomach affected the rest of my whole night. when i first quit cigs salt nic and pods were easy to use, a good way to start vaping and the strength quailed my nic needs. but going to sub ohm i can see now definitely brought my nic levels way down and my need to constantly chase a nic high.
Very inaccurate, completely incorrect, this man does not know what on earth he's talking about. He is talking so much nonsense I don't even know how to react
As soon as he said freebase coke gets you off of coke I was like oh man this guy's FUCKED
i bought a pod system to try out the nic salts, i found the flavor better but ive gone back to my sub ohm device with the regular ejuice
A lot of people here are getting too into the technical details and are not actually getting his message...
Salt nics are a FAR quicker and easier way of getting a nicotine high and if you're worried about nicotine dependency then that is a BIG problem.
This stuff gets you super hooked.
No nicotine is not very addictive it's as addictive as coffee
Love salt nic. Also sub ohmed it many times no issues. You just don't take too much at once. Freebase juices make me cough at anything above 6mg which i get nothing out of.
I find myself hitting the my mod less with salt nic with free base I’m constantly hitting my mod it’s ridiculous I find everything you said quite opposite I only take like 5 hits a day of salt nic
People vape for different reasons. That's like me telling people who workout that if you aren't trying to become a bodybuilder why are you in the gym. I smoke cigarettes when I drink. When I'm not drinking I can get away with just vaping. Sometimes when I drink I can vape nic salts and still not crave cigs. To each his own.
Robbie thanks very much for posting your video. Reading the comments you've been copping some flak. Regardless of the level of your research you have your own view on nic salts and do bring up some good points. From the standpoint of a user of freebase nic considering the switch to salts, this has been one of the best videos I've found for the discussion in the comments section. Thanks.
Sucks this is 6 years old, but you’re absolutely right. I just recently went back to free base because I not only could smoke less, but the coils would last 10x longer. Everyone says salt nic is better, cheaper, faster, smoother, and none of those things were true. I ended up hitting it way more often, the hits were harsher, the flavor wasn’t there after a couple hits, and not a single salt nic mod I could find would keep a coil longer than a few days before burning. The biggest difference was in how much I craved hitting each one though. Freebase I could put down for a week and not pick it back up without any issues at all. With salt nic I literally had to hit the thing all day every day or I’d start getting irritable.
Also, screw the keyboard warriors acting like they graduated from MIT.. knowing damn well they googled every bit of that as biases to their own beliefs.. you never claim to understand the chemistry behind it, and they’re too dumb to realize that even if someone does understand the chemistry, there’s no way to back up objective claims like salt nic is smoother, better for quitting, etc. Someone would need to do case studies to even argue that, and you are basically a living breathing case study seeing that you work in the industry, whose only saying that these bogus open ended claims might not be the truth… Everything you stated about yours and others experiences is exactly what I experienced myself.
a 6mg 120ml freebase e liquid last me at most 2 weeks and a 50mg 30ml salt nic e juice has lasted me 2 months
Bro I dipped grizzly wintergreen for 10 years. Any vape I ever tried did not curb my cravings until I used 55mg nic salts. I'm now almost a month off of dipping a can a day. To none a day. Its really helped me. But I understand what your saying. Anyone who smoked cigs has no business using it. But can of dip is 88mg nic.
This very good info
Thank u for give us this info , it's very good info
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I used 50 mg salt nic to get off cigs and I also have a mod that I use 3 mg in cause sometimes I don’t wanna vape the 50 mg salt nic but vaping has helped me get off cigs and I haven’t smoked a cig since I made the switch to vaping
However on a second note I can somewhat agree with you to an extent on increasing our tolerance but then you also have to take into consideration that were not nearly inhaling as much carbon and all of those other chemicals and plant particles it’s just not good
It usually says directly on the bottle “NOT FOR SUB OHM” you will always have the knuckle heads that abuse any product. If not for nicsalts I’d still be smoking iky sticks
I use regular right, and I'm a long time sub. Never used the salt nic but numbers are numbers right. Let's say I vape 6mg strength maybe 15/20 mls a day, if I switched to the salts and used substantially less it would seem to me you are Vaping less. For instance a 25mg per ml and say ya used one pod a day that's 2mls so 50mg Nick all together, compared to 6x15 90 mg of nicotine. See my point, no hate. Just confused with some of the statements. The cocaine statement aren't there either. Freebase commonly known as crack isn't to help cocaine addicts to lower down, just saying. Be well I like the regular stuff and can see some of your points
Milkman John
your right regarding the cocaine statement, crack cocaine is when a user is putting their foot on the gas, its far more addictive , intense yet lasts only a tenth of the time when just snorting. Its totally the wrong analogy. I just want something that gives throat hit and instant relief( with a view to quit the deadly tobacco). I just ordered my first nic alt products and hope it will work in my Innaken T-20 ( mouth to lung) pen!?
its true I was using 6 mg juice and it tasted like shit and wasn't cutting it now I mix 35 mg nic salt juice with some regular high vg 0 mg juice right in my sub ohm, I only put like 1/8 salt juice though maybe more if im craving really bad but never ever the whole tank lol.
ive not vaped in over 6 years but recently i was given a throw away vape and my god the flavour got me and the buzz also ive now started to vape again due to that 1 throw away ..... also after such a long time away from vaping all i can find now is disposalbals on the market and very limited supply of proper vape equipment it allmost feels like the tobaco companys are tryign to get people addicted and i must say its working coss its made me come back even tho i was clean for 6 years
it also sickens me to see the amount of plastic waste been churned out how is this now better than it used to be 6 years ago ? i really cant understand how its changed and in this way other than goverments loosing money on tabaco and agreeing to allow addictive disposabels to rule the market
Thanks for the vidoe. I was thinking about nic salts but now I'm going to cast a wary eye.
The problem with lowering nicotine levels is most people do not have the will power to resist doing other unhealthy things to cover for lower nicotine levels in the body, as a result some people take on new unhealthy habits or vape more which vaping lots of PG, PEG or VG isnt good. It is much better to stay at your same nicotine level and simply reduce intake.
Good opinion piece, and I see the validity here. When I first heard about nic salts, I was interested. I still vape nic salts, but certainly not all day (4mls of 45mg nic salt liquid easily lasts me a week). I'm serious. I use lower freebase nic such as 3 or 1.5 in a large lung hitter tank and that's more for the flavor and enjoyment factor of hot clouds.
So in other words, I think like anything in this industry, let's not go crazy and over-react. So far the comments are fine. I am just not looking forward to another Nickel wire or DI and AP found in liquid. All a big mess. Especially now, we need to stay united in most respects and stand for what we have tried to make a safer (I didn't say harmless) way for smokers to switch or quit altogether. If people use salts, fine. If people like freebase, fine.
What about RTAs? Can they be used for salt nic?
Well researched x x
can someone tell me i have a g-core 7000 puff no nicotine vape but on the box it says ingredients nicotine benzoate does that mean this vape i have contain nicotine
Two months ago I was smoking a pack of cigs a day and had been for 5 years at that point. I used the suorin drop (low wattage, 1.2ish ohm refillable pod system) with a nic salt ejuice, the bottle reads 25mg/30ml, to quit smoking. I was able to quit the day I got the nic salt setup and went on my way. About a month ago I bought a tank and coil stick mod setup(6mg/ml ejuice, .22 ohm at 30-40watts) and I seemed to like it better, but still used my nic salt setup to secretly vape at work to deal with quitting cigs. I bought a more reliable mod and have moved away from the nic salt vape altogether, I had no problems doing so, but now that I've had a little time with each I can say that my nic salts (only mine, I can't speak for other juices or pod systems) have much less nicotine per ml than my current ejuice. The nic salts required a lot less vapor and were still satisfying, but I found myself wanting more vapor and a longer session while vaping before needing to stop because I had reached a satisfying level of nicotine. Now that I have freebase ejuice and a mod I go through more ejuice each day as well as it having 6mg per ml (the nic salt is clearly labeled at 25mg per 30ml, not per single ml.)
I would use about 2-3ml of nic salt juice a day and at the strength I had that was less than 2.5mg of nicotine. Now I'm using between 2-4ml of freebase juice each day at 6mg per ml. Freebase doesn't hit as hard or fast as salts do and that's what I like about it, but I do seem to need more juice and nicotine in general after switching to freebase. I don't mind this because I can vape for a whole lunch break and not get a crazy headrush like I would if I overdid it on salts. While I don't think salts are bad, they are very different compared to the freebase juices I have tried so far as the amount of vapor from a whole satisfying session of salt vaping can be equal to one giant cloud from an rda. The most upsetting thing about the salt delivery systems is that kids can find the higher strength per ml salts(thanks, juul) and use them so easily with almost no risk of being caught, that shit sucks.
Shit, I wrote a book. Sorry.
But you made sense - that's what counts. :)
Good points but I feel you've bought into the anti-vaping propaganda. If you look at the packaging and flavors for JUUL it's anything but kid friendly. Have you seen vodka bottles lately??? They're much, much worse! And kids will be kids- if not the Juul it would be something else- like cigarettes. I say let their parents take responsibility and stop blaming everyone or everything else for their problems.
What flavor of nic salt and free base juice helped you quit smoking? Also what brand of cigarettes did u smoke before? Were they light cigarettes or strong? I'm trying to quit smoking cigarettes and trying to figure out what works.
It may have been written that way, but no its per ml. Its common to say just 25mg or 50mg without the per ml part, so companies just started writing 30 ml then 25mg somewhere else
I just keep to 1.5salt nic.. I hate tossing juice every time nicotine ages and gets too harsh. .. not too worried about nicotine in general.