Dr Brown’s second clip from the debate was fire. So much of the suffering we see is either man-made or could be alleviated by us collectively. Rather than shake our fists at God saying “why aren’t you intervening? “ why not ask ourselves why we aren’t using the abilities and resources He has given us to help.
I found it interesting that Bart picked Ecclesiastes to quote from for his closing statement. The author of Ecclesiastes spent the entirety of the book questioning his faith in God and waffling between whether he should tell people to trust in God or live for themselves. The author didn't find the Law of Moses adequate enough to answer his questions or bring him fulfillment, so he immersed himself in the filth of the world. The author was not happy nor fulfilled. I believe it's the same for Bart.
@@Failur3i5n0tan0pt1on what evidence do you have that it was written before his apostasy? He wasn't speaking from the perspective of the people in his day. That was Solomon (or whoever wrote the book) questioning his beliefs. Even if he did write it before turning to foreign gods, he evidently did question God because he did fall away into debauchery and idolatry.
This is why people need to know the Lord in intimacy, not just head knowledge, the great problem this guy faced was his intillectual study of the Lord clearly overtook his knowing the person of Jesus.
I wish Bart Ehrman's objection in Amos was addressed; perhaps he did address it in the full debate. Simply put, the Israelites were living under the covenant laid out in Deuteronomy. All of the things God said He had done to Israel, Israel had agreed to in the covenant and consented to by breaking the covenant. It's not indicative of all suffering everywhere at all times. Ehrman should have known this if he was a true biblical scholar, but it's sad to think many people walked away feeling justified in blaming God for their suffering.
Just as God sends rain upon both the just and unjust, so does suffering befall the just and unjust. Being saved with the promise of eternal life does not exempt us from the suffering as mortal beings in this present fallen world. The blessing is the hope which is revealed to the redeemed the moment we die our appointed deaths. Jesus reflected the goodness of the Father who is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He doesn't change from good to bad when bad things happen to us, as He did not change when His Son suffered and died for our sins.
It's unbelievable how blind people sounds when they tried to prove a point that is no there....he suppose to be an intellectual person and yet sounds like he got no idea of what he's saying. I understand if he actually had read the Bible from beginning to understand it.
Ehrman went to bible college and teaches the New Testament at Chapel Hill. I disagree with his conclusion, but he makes good points about inconsistencies in the Bible.
@@jamese9283 this is exactly my point we can agree to disagree all day long but the facts is what bring the thruth out. Sometimes that can Be proof. Even though he when to bible college is not present the facts in this argument he's is pick pointing from here and there to try to prove his point. I would like to see the inconsistent in the Bible that you and Ehrman claimed there is but reading the scripture in context no one verse here and another one 20 pages later.
*ASKDrBrown Line of Fire Guest (professer Bart Ehrman opening statement) Suffering grew up in the Episcopal Church Start on Amos chapter 4 nothing to eat held back rain blaming God etc. Listening from Mass USA TYVM 💙 Mike,Bert*
Dr Brown’s second clip from the debate was fire. So much of the suffering we see is either man-made or could be alleviated by us collectively. Rather than shake our fists at God saying “why aren’t you intervening? “ why not ask ourselves why we aren’t using the abilities and resources He has given us to help.
I found it interesting that Bart picked Ecclesiastes to quote from for his closing statement. The author of Ecclesiastes spent the entirety of the book questioning his faith in God and waffling between whether he should tell people to trust in God or live for themselves. The author didn't find the Law of Moses adequate enough to answer his questions or bring him fulfillment, so he immersed himself in the filth of the world. The author was not happy nor fulfilled. I believe it's the same for Bart.
@@Failur3i5n0tan0pt1on what evidence do you have that it was written before his apostasy? He wasn't speaking from the perspective of the people in his day. That was Solomon (or whoever wrote the book) questioning his beliefs. Even if he did write it before turning to foreign gods, he evidently did question God because he did fall away into debauchery and idolatry.
This is why people need to know the Lord in intimacy, not just head knowledge, the great problem this guy faced was his intillectual study of the Lord clearly overtook his knowing the person of Jesus.
Wow good stuff!
I wish Bart Ehrman's objection in Amos was addressed; perhaps he did address it in the full debate. Simply put, the Israelites were living under the covenant laid out in Deuteronomy. All of the things God said He had done to Israel, Israel had agreed to in the covenant and consented to by breaking the covenant. It's not indicative of all suffering everywhere at all times.
Ehrman should have known this if he was a true biblical scholar, but it's sad to think many people walked away feeling justified in blaming God for their suffering.
@Truth Seeker Yo, that was 4 months ago. You'll have to be a little more specific.
This guy don't see that majority of suffering he's talking about are actually man made of from sin.
Lies don't exist unless you believe them,
Basically Bart Erhman's problem is that if God doesn't act the way that he wants him to than he isn't worth following.
Just as God sends rain upon both the just and unjust, so does suffering befall the just and unjust. Being saved with the promise of eternal life does not exempt us from the suffering as mortal beings in this present fallen world. The blessing is the hope which is revealed to the redeemed the moment we die our appointed deaths. Jesus reflected the goodness of the Father who is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He doesn't change from good to bad when bad things happen to us, as He did not change when His Son suffered and died for our sins.
It's unbelievable how blind people sounds when they tried to prove a point that is no there....he suppose to be an intellectual person and yet sounds like he got no idea of what he's saying. I understand if he actually had read the Bible from beginning to understand it.
Ehrman went to bible college and teaches the New Testament at Chapel Hill. I disagree with his conclusion, but he makes good points about inconsistencies in the Bible.
@@jamese9283 this is exactly my point we can agree to disagree all day long but the facts is what bring the thruth out. Sometimes that can Be proof. Even though he when to bible college is not present the facts in this argument he's is pick pointing from here and there to try to prove his point. I would like to see the inconsistent in the Bible that you and Ehrman claimed there is but reading the scripture in context no one verse here and another one 20 pages later.
*ASKDrBrown Line of Fire Guest (professer Bart Ehrman opening statement) Suffering grew up in the Episcopal Church Start on Amos chapter 4 nothing to eat held back rain blaming God etc. Listening from Mass USA TYVM 💙 Mike,Bert*