We all know if Taker had gone to WCW, he would've been another victim to "that doesn't work for me, Brother". Eric didn't keep his boy Hollywood in check so Taker wouldn't have gotten anywhere in WCW. Taker going to WCW would've been as disastrous as Sting going to the WWF.
You sure??? Cause I hate to break it to you neither did Vince.. If he did Hulk wouldnt have had the power to get creative in wcw.. S o, if Taker came back to wcw and they did almost a seven angle instead of dustin, or he showed up at Hog Wild out of no were like Hall did and saved someone it wouldnt of worked 🙄 I hate this WWE can do it but no one else can!! For example ppl shit on the nwo Hollywood vs wolfpac but wwe dose it with Bloodline it "cinama lmao
I always imagined 'Taker going to the WCW with a similar gimmick but different enough to not get sued. 'Grave Digger' was always the name that came to mind.
I never imagined Taker going to WCW because for 1 Taker was always loyal to WWE if would never happen and 2 WCW told him he would never draw money. U really think someone would go back to a place that had no faith in them? I don't think so he has always felt like he owed everything to Vince for the Taker gimmick so he would've never in a million years considered jumping ship
@@farrisward2211 "To quote an Outsider; YOU KNOW WHO I AM. WHAT YOU DONT KNOW IS; WHY IM "HERE". IM "HERE" FOR A WHOLE TON OF $$$ AND TO PUT THAT STINGER IN HS GOD AWFUL PLACE" - The DARKSIDER
You do know taker was in wcw before right?? The only reason he was Vinces boy and never went back to wcw is cause hire ups before Eric told him he never draw!!
Bischoff really made his guys look like big stars. The smaller ring, not letting women get too involved, and also not being as muscular as his talent lol
I'd have preferred if taker made the jump. I can see him as a biker type unleashing chaos on the nwo, not joining it. Even possibly being the first to take out Goldberg. Man he would have had some awesome encounters. Taker vs sting, bret nash, hogan, goldberg, ddp, booker etc. Who knows, maybe taker could have saved wcw. Imagine taker teaming up with sting against the nwo. I agree with chubs, taker as badass biker is better than the undertaker version, only because he will be participating more in ring. He could have been wcw's version of stone cold, minus the beer drinking
Majority of Brets time in wcw he helped the nWo. He was an associate. Then joined before Halloween havoc 98. Then led 2000. Austin would have been buried and another nWo victim if he stayed glad that he left.
I don't think Undertaker would've worked as well even as the American Badass character in WCW. His gimmick was still a little contingent on Kane(in the Brothers of Destruction), he would've been in an entirely different locker room and under different leadership, and Eric was already trying to juggle a ton of talent from WWF at the time anyways. Mark was able to achieve his American Badass character in WWE through his own natural evolution while working under Vince, he held a significant status in the WWE locker room, and everyone always loved him working with Kane whether it was as allies or adversaries. Imagine all of that gone just so that Mark could try a different gimmick as a result of working in another company...while also trying to work with Hogan politicking his way about? I just don't see things working out as well.
He would have a similar case to how Brian Adams was booked..but definitely better booked..but then lost in the shuffle eventually. Taker would definitely have been Mean Mark Calaway or what we know as "The American Badass" Biker Taker.
The American Badass character could have worked and with that intro from Limp Bizkit and Lil Jon. He would have had the charisma too be champion. Just don’t know if Bischoff would try something dumb instead
I can hear the announcers just screaming out loud as "Mean" Mark appeared on the TurnerTron roaring in his bike.. "Oh my goodness!!!" "Is that the guy that fought Lex Luger for the US title over a decade ago"?.. "Never tought in a million years we'll ever hear from THAT guy ever again".. Mike Tenay chiming in with his wisdom.. "yes that's the same wrestler that Dan Spivey and Theodore Long tagged along after Big Sid Vicious was kicked out from the team.. that's "Mean" Mark Callous!!"
If SC stayed in WCW he never would've been SC and WWE would've very possibly got put out of business because of the war because there was no SC so no SC-Rock feud or SC-Mcmahon fued
When he cut his hair in '02, we would say, 'Wow, he finally fully committed to his original WCW Mean Mark character.' A shot at WCW saying look! I made Mean Mark a success! LOL
Not at all. That is revisionist history from WWE. Same with how they present Triple H. No star in the company during the AE came close to Austin. Rock needed to work with Austin, not the other way around. Bret made Austin, and Austin made Rock.
@ You have no clue what you are talking about. Austin was hurt for most of 2000 and off television. Rock held the fort and Raw’s ratings were still off the charts.
@Myrridan19 The rock made himself by his promos and catchphrases and got over with the people Austin was a bigger draw but don't undertitame how popular rock was in 1998-2003 he was a big draw too
@@JohnDoe-gk7ok WCW was atrocious in 2000. And WWF had built huge momentum in the prior 2 years, plus they had several hot acts at the time including a white hot tag team division featuring a three-way rivalry between the Hardy Boyz, the Dudley Boys, and Edge & Christian. Not to mention the rising star of Kurt Angle, Foley being as over as he's ever been, Triple H's ascension to top heel, Chris Jericho being a workhorse both in the ring and hilarious on the mic. And of course, Austin kept appearing on/off in 2000. He just couldn't wrestle. He wasn't forgotten. All of this factored into the dominance of WWF in 2000. I'm not suggesting Rock wasn't a key component in 2000, mind you. But Rock was never as crucial to the success of WWF as Austin. It was the Austin/McMahon storyline that ultimately saved the WWF. And Vince wisely rode that momentum and built up enough other stars to carry the company forward even without Austin (for a time). It's not an insult to the Rock to say that Austin was necessary for the WWF to succeed in the Attitude Era, anymore than it's an insult to Randy Savage to say that Hulk Hogan was necessary for the WWF to succeed in the Golden Era. It's just a fact.
@@Myrridan19 I’m not saying that Rock was the reason WWF turned around. By the time he emerged as a babyface star, Raw was already beating Nitro in the ratings. But at his peak, Rock was just as popular as Austin. Listen to the crowd pops and look at the quarter hours. By 2000, Rock was just as big as Austin. If Rock had emerged as the star a few years earlier, he would’ve made Raw overtake Nitro in the ratings.
The Undertaker stole his gimmick.....ahhhh ha. The Undertaker, as the ABA, was actually him in real life, only bringing it to WWE. I'm calling BS in the Undertaker taking Eric Bischoff's gimmick.
Hogan didn't have beef with Austin. There were a lot of guys pushed to the top, or near the top, of WCW. Hogan worked with top guys like Sting, Goldberg, Flair, Lex, Giant, Nash, and even Savage, despite having beef with Savage. Not sure why you think Hogan would refuse to work with Austin. Hogan had creative control over his own booking, not the entire company's booking. The reason Austin went to WWF was because he felt he couldn't break the glass ceiling into the upper echelon, nor that he could rise to the level of Hogan. But that was before the genesis of the Stone Cold gimmick, and it was not because he had pissed off Hogan to the point Hogan had it in for him.
Wasn't it Ole Anderson who fired Mark Calaway from WcW and explained it with that Mark would never draw a dime. Taker told that story on his Podcast, but als in interviews. Boy, can I imagine what a satisfection he might have had when Taker realized he was on of THE guys who puts a*ses in the seats, so to speak. If Ole wouldn't have said those words and Taker not realized what chance Vince had given him, he might have gone back to WcW. However with a different Gimick, as the WWE owns the Gimmick and the Music! But maybe he would have figured out a (not too) similar character and still get over. But it never happened, so...
You mean if he defected after Hogan, aka monday night wars time period. Undertaker was in WCW in the early 90s but he didn't stay there for very long...Mean Mark Callous? He wrestled Luger and others. Taker knew since literally EVERY top star left WWF if he stayed there he would be top dog and he wasn't wrong, probably smart business on his part.
I always felt DDP was "WCW's Stone Cold" An Outlaw'ish Face, that you just can't trust...and always seem to be a step ahead of their opposition. Page at least filled that niche over there, if nothing else.
Austin and dx were the beginning of the attitude era, eric had the nwo, half of the cliq, so vince needed his own group, dx was formed with 2 other members of the cliq, then you had waltman aka X pac in both groups 😂😂❤, actually only hunter out of the cliq hasn't been in the nwo, as shawn was part of wwe nwo wowsa bet hunter was glad he dodged that bullet 😂😂😂
Taker & Surfer Sting fought in old WCW. Mean Marc Callous jobbed in a title match. Steve Austin got Stone Cold idea from ECW. Stole stunner from Mickey Shipwreck. Austin would hv remained a nobody in WCW. His 3:16 line only worked cause Jake the Snake had a preacher gimmick.
Actually he got the idea as inspiration after seeing a documentary on Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski. His wife came up with the name when telling him to drink his tea before it got stone cold and lastly the stunner move is disputed by multiple ppl saying they came up with it but SC never even thought of it until Michael Hayes suggested it to him
Let's not kid ourselves, if undertaker tried the American bad ass character in wcw they would have put him in the nWo within weeks. You can't ride a motorcycle in wcw and not be in the nWo.
🤔 it really could have worked just use his Mean Mark Callous character but as the American bad a** in WCW hell he then would have fit like a glove in the nWo 🤔
"Stone Cold" was created because Austin was fired by Bischoff. If Austin was never fired he wouldn't have had that fire in his belly to create a character that hates his boss. Austin was too great of a talent to not be a star. But at the same time Hogan would have kept him down like he did everyone.
I don't think so. Let's be honest. The reason he succeeded in WWF is that they gave him the character of a dead man who doesn't feel pain and doesn't fear his opponents, but they fear him in return. Also with great theme song . They made him crush most of the WWF legends in his first year. The WCW won't give him that even if they made him American Badass, he wouldn't have the freedom to use the mic like he had in WWE + the size of the WCW rings won't help him make a great match. And there won't be Shawn Michaels to make him get five stars. And they will definitely give him a theme that isn't as strong as his theme song in WWF. The Warrior's theme song in WCW was very bad, and I wouldn't be surprised if Taker's theme was the same. Even if it was good, it wouldn't be as strong as his theme in WWF.
Taker would have worked. He was well established. Could of had takers bad ass crew battle nwo. Austin wouldn't of ever been anything at WCW. He would have been mid level plot lines there.
He couldn’t have used the gimmick, and MAGA mark was all gimmick. He is absolutely NOTHING without that gimmick. Nothing. He, himself is not even a legend. It is the gimmick that is the legend.
Lets be honest, you wouldnt have American Bad ass, WCW would have booked the Return of Mean Mark and the Skyscrapers and Steve Austin would have become a Horseman at some point
Hogan jobbed the Undisputed World Heavyweight Title to the Undertaker in 2002. Why wouldn't he have done that for Taker in WCW? Hogan has jobbed the title to... The Giant Lex Luger Sting Goldberg ....and Ric Flair all in WCW. He's also jobbed CLEAN to Jacques Rougeau and Billy Kidman. The ONLY TIME Hogan really went into business totally for himself in WCW was against Sting at *_Starrcade '97._* Outside of that, he has always put people over when it was necessary to do so. So, he would have had no problems putting Taker over because that would have greatly helped WCW.
If Austin stayed in WCW, WWE could have lost the war before WCW went out of business. Also, Vince might have tried harder to keep/appease Bret Hart, and Montreal might never have happened. Crazy alternate timeline
Dominant Tall Nonbuilt Wrestlers Weigh 400 Plus Pounds And Fat Main Eventers Weigh 400-900 Pounds. That Why The Undertaker Didn’t Make It In WCW. Kevin Nash Tried To In 2000 Get The Undertaker To Come To WCW. Because The Undertaker Trying To Get Muscular. As The Undertaker Decided To Go Back To The WWE, That Musculinity Went Away. The Undertaker Was Little Muscular In WCW. After He Left WCW, That Little Muscles Disappeared. The Undertaker Loyalty To WWE Is Meaningless In Comparison. He Rightly Wouldn’t Have Been Successful In WCW Unless He Gained At Least 72 Pounds Or Got Built. If He Gained Weight Or Got Muscular And Went To WCW, The WWE Would’ve Been In Big Trouble Because They Would’ve Had 3 Top Stars Left, The Rock, HHH & Kane. The Undertaker In WCW Would’ve Been The A.B. Ass Mark Callous. WCW Would’ve Had Sting vs Mark Callous As Main Eventer, Goldberg vs Nark Callous, Hulk Hogan vs Mark Callous, Kevin Nash vs Mark Callous, Sid Vicious vs Mark Callous, Lex Luger vs Mark Callous As A Main Eventer And Mark Callous Could’ve Joined The New Blood Him & Sid-Two Former Skyscrapers. The New Blood Would’ve Had Some Star Power Before Could Have New Stars. With Vince Russo, Vampiro’s Push Should’ve Been Booker T’s Or The Demon’s And Scott Steiner Should’ve Been Pushed Over Vampiro.
LMAO 😂 To openly say that Taker stole YOUR gimmick Eric? Thats laughable. The American Badass is more like Taker in real life. Eric, you're ok in my book, but lose the ego. Taker don't need to steal anyone's gimmick. Don't flatter yourself.
Austin in the same fashion on WCW would have never happened. WCW was croquet vs football WCW was bingo night vs nickel beer night. WCW was suplex city nursing home vs Suplex City Nightclub WCW was dusty ugly, boring 70s action vs Sex drugs and rock and roll. I was 7, 8, and 9 during the Monday Night Wars so therefore my kid brain is an expert. Lol shiny flashy sexy raunchy rough vs ugly dusty decrepit. WCW also did not have Sable. Lol jk Just watch a Raw is War intro video from 1998/1999 vs a WCW nitro intro video. It will show you exactly what I am saying...for those that dont know. WWF RAW was the shit.
Undertake dies in wcw. American badass stands a better chance. But still. Stone Cold wouldn't of worked in wcw. He's just another Alex Wright level. Could.maybe see him being a horseman. If Austin Stays, DX probably blows up. Hopefully Owen becomes the new Bret. Not sure who takes the Austin spot.
Sorry Conrad and Easy E “The American Bad Ass” gimmick was freaking lame. I think the reason it was able to get over in WWE is because everyone was hoping and praying for the day the Deadman Returned. PS Conrad do you stay up late at night thinking about and dreaming up magic moments you would have liked to see in the past like Steve Austin drinking Steveweisers and giving the entire NWO Stone Cold Stunners. One last question how many wrestling action figures do you have and which one is your favorite one?
Absolutely he would have. He and Austin would have gone back if WCW never went out of business. Time Warner had a large pocket book and money talks. And we will never know WCW could of been the place to be in maybe 2003-2005 if it was never sold
Even as edgy wcw was, it was still southern based! Those guys in turner would have completely stopped all that.....which is why wcw probably ended! Its weird how eric got the nwo over, yet they in turner fought against it so much. Then vinnymac was like im gonna smash these fools because of it lol
It all matters on when taker defects! Think about it, in 97' taker didn't have any idea of the American badass! Had he joined wcw in 2000, that would have killed him off completely. Bottom line, takers loyalty was never in question. And steve Austin, nope vinnymac and steve made scsa!
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In my opinion, I believe if Taker would’ve went to WCW he wouldn’t be anywhere near as legendary as he is.
@sethputnamsghost well I don’t think he would have left especially after what Ole told him
Agreed 100-%
none of the big name WWF guys would
He would have dropped from my all time favorite to probably like my 3rd lol
We all know if Taker had gone to WCW, he would've been another victim to "that doesn't work for me, Brother". Eric didn't keep his boy Hollywood in check so Taker wouldn't have gotten anywhere in WCW. Taker going to WCW would've been as disastrous as Sting going to the WWF.
You sure??? Cause I hate to break it to you neither did Vince.. If he did Hulk wouldnt have had the power to get creative in wcw..
S o, if Taker came back to wcw and they did almost a seven angle instead of dustin, or he showed up at Hog Wild out of no were like Hall did and saved someone it wouldnt of worked 🙄
I hate this WWE can do it but no one else can!! For example ppl shit on the nwo Hollywood vs wolfpac but wwe dose it with Bloodline it "cinama lmao
I always imagined 'Taker going to the WCW with a similar gimmick but different enough to not get sued. 'Grave Digger' was always the name that came to mind.
MORTICIAN
DEAD MAN STALKING
Could be some sort of Zombie character ; nearly ala Ghost Rider
@@dangxdc8348Thing is there is not many other gimmicks to use that wouldn't be similar
I never imagined Taker going to WCW because for 1 Taker was always loyal to WWE if would never happen and 2 WCW told him he would never draw money. U really think someone would go back to a place that had no faith in them? I don't think so he has always felt like he owed everything to Vince for the Taker gimmick so he would've never in a million years considered jumping ship
@@farrisward2211The DARKSIDER; Sting's riff on Hall and Nash
@@farrisward2211 "To quote an Outsider; YOU KNOW WHO I AM. WHAT YOU DONT KNOW IS; WHY IM "HERE".
IM "HERE" FOR A WHOLE TON OF $$$ AND TO PUT THAT STINGER IN HS GOD AWFUL PLACE"
- The DARKSIDER
Taker was too close a friend to Vince, he would have never went to WCW
came here to say that also. Taker was very loyal to Vince/WWE.
Someone check Undertakers phone
You do know taker was in wcw before right?? The only reason he was Vinces boy and never went back to wcw is cause hire ups before Eric told him he never draw!!
Bischoff really made his guys look like big stars. The smaller ring, not letting women get too involved, and also not being as muscular as his talent lol
Smaller ring is that what it was.
I always wondered why WCW look so much bigger.
Even today watching it on RUclips it looks larger than life.
Undertaker is Kobe to Eric Bischoffs Jordan.
I know wat 88 means. U an AB wannabe?
His career was fantastic at all stages so thank God it went down exactly the way it did
I'd have preferred if taker made the jump. I can see him as a biker type unleashing chaos on the nwo, not joining it. Even possibly being the first to take out Goldberg. Man he would have had some awesome encounters. Taker vs sting, bret nash, hogan, goldberg, ddp, booker etc. Who knows, maybe taker could have saved wcw. Imagine taker teaming up with sting against the nwo.
I agree with chubs, taker as badass biker is better than the undertaker version, only because he will be participating more in ring. He could have been wcw's version of stone cold, minus the beer drinking
U also probably prefer men too...stfu with that stupid shit
Undertaker in WCW would've been lost in the shuffle Brother
Majority of Brets time in wcw he helped the nWo. He was an associate. Then joined before Halloween havoc 98. Then led 2000. Austin would have been buried and another nWo victim if he stayed glad that he left.
I don't think Undertaker would've worked as well even as the American Badass character in WCW. His gimmick was still a little contingent on Kane(in the Brothers of Destruction), he would've been in an entirely different locker room and under different leadership, and Eric was already trying to juggle a ton of talent from WWF at the time anyways. Mark was able to achieve his American Badass character in WWE through his own natural evolution while working under Vince, he held a significant status in the WWE locker room, and everyone always loved him working with Kane whether it was as allies or adversaries. Imagine all of that gone just so that Mark could try a different gimmick as a result of working in another company...while also trying to work with Hogan politicking his way about?
I just don't see things working out as well.
I liked the American Badass character a lot as well
Me too I'm with Conrad love the presentation the bike ,the music etc he's entrances at wm17 and 19 were great
My favorite Taker by far was American Badass version. Seemed realistic and cool.
Nope his first and my favorite his purple glove attire where his best ,but everyone has there opinions
This is the first time i watched in a while and Bischoff is JUICED to the gills
No he's not clearly u have never been on gear
He would have a similar case to how Brian Adams was booked..but definitely better booked..but then lost in the shuffle eventually.
Taker would definitely have been Mean Mark Calaway or what we know as "The American Badass" Biker Taker.
The American Badass character could have worked and with that intro from Limp Bizkit and Lil Jon. He would have had the charisma too be champion. Just don’t know if Bischoff would try something dumb instead
Brian Adams was no where close to undertakers star power. Undertaker would've immediately worked with all the top guys
That's my feeling as well, while he would have had a much more hyped up debut, after that they would have used him the way they used Crush.
@@damarithomasjust like Bret right?😂
that was hilarious btw. i hope he reacts to it on his podcast it would be fun
He has on his podcast said Kevin called him few times trying to get him to hop over,but in the end it was loyalty, and what " Ole" said
I can hear the announcers just screaming out loud as "Mean" Mark appeared on the TurnerTron roaring in his bike.. "Oh my goodness!!!" "Is that the guy that fought Lex Luger for the US title over a decade ago"?..
"Never tought in a million years we'll ever hear from THAT guy ever again"..
Mike Tenay chiming in with his wisdom.. "yes that's the same wrestler that Dan Spivey and Theodore Long tagged along after Big Sid Vicious was kicked out from the team.. that's "Mean" Mark Callous!!"
That's the most nerdish dumb shit I've ever heard. Do better
American bad ass is so under rated
If you think of it if stone cold stayed in WCW Vince would not be in court today
If SC stayed in WCW he never would've been SC and WWE would've very possibly got put out of business because of the war because there was no SC so no SC-Rock feud or SC-Mcmahon fued
@BrianJohnsonArmwrestling you so right just think of wcw today and all the roster of wwe in wcw early 2000 would of been crazy
Oh no it's the return of Big Mark Calloway lofl
When he cut his hair in '02, we would say, 'Wow, he finally fully committed to his original WCW Mean Mark character.' A shot at WCW saying look! I made Mean Mark a success! LOL
Welcome to NXT Mr Bischoff
the wwe owned the gimmick, he would be mark the red head
4:57 Eric surreptitiously pops a tall boy
😂😂😂
The start of Austin turning into Stone cold happened in ECW
You actually can see it starting a bit right before he lost the US title to hacksaw freakin' Jim Duggan
06:20 Even if WWF never had Stone Cold, they would’ve still had the Rock. The Rock was as integral to the success of WWF as Austin.
Not at all. That is revisionist history from WWE. Same with how they present Triple H. No star in the company during the AE came close to Austin. Rock needed to work with Austin, not the other way around. Bret made Austin, and Austin made Rock.
@ You have no clue what you are talking about. Austin was hurt for most of 2000 and off television. Rock held the fort and Raw’s ratings were still off the charts.
@Myrridan19 The rock made himself by his promos and catchphrases and got over with the people Austin was a bigger draw but don't undertitame how popular rock was in 1998-2003 he was a big draw too
@@JohnDoe-gk7ok WCW was atrocious in 2000. And WWF had built huge momentum in the prior 2 years, plus they had several hot acts at the time including a white hot tag team division featuring a three-way rivalry between the Hardy Boyz, the Dudley Boys, and Edge & Christian. Not to mention the rising star of Kurt Angle, Foley being as over as he's ever been, Triple H's ascension to top heel, Chris Jericho being a workhorse both in the ring and hilarious on the mic. And of course, Austin kept appearing on/off in 2000. He just couldn't wrestle. He wasn't forgotten. All of this factored into the dominance of WWF in 2000. I'm not suggesting Rock wasn't a key component in 2000, mind you. But Rock was never as crucial to the success of WWF as Austin. It was the Austin/McMahon storyline that ultimately saved the WWF. And Vince wisely rode that momentum and built up enough other stars to carry the company forward even without Austin (for a time). It's not an insult to the Rock to say that Austin was necessary for the WWF to succeed in the Attitude Era, anymore than it's an insult to Randy Savage to say that Hulk Hogan was necessary for the WWF to succeed in the Golden Era. It's just a fact.
@@Myrridan19 I’m not saying that Rock was the reason WWF turned around. By the time he emerged as a babyface star, Raw was already beating Nitro in the ratings. But at his peak, Rock was just as popular as Austin. Listen to the crowd pops and look at the quarter hours. By 2000, Rock was just as big as Austin. If Rock had emerged as the star a few years earlier, he would’ve made Raw overtake Nitro in the ratings.
My opinion if Eric was still Head of creative the undertaker would have pulled it off in wcw other than that the undertaker very successful in wwe
Didnt D o a do that American badass gimmick years before takers gimmick turn?
The Undertaker stole his gimmick.....ahhhh ha. The Undertaker, as the ABA, was actually him in real life, only bringing it to WWE. I'm calling BS in the Undertaker taking Eric Bischoff's gimmick.
He's only kidding around
Renaming him Bonechill and he's the same American badass biker and I think Taker's still a top talent in WCW.
Is there a chance taker got the inspiration from his buddy crush since he was in disciples of apocalypse? They always rode bikes to the ring
Here’s a better question… would HOGAN have allowed Austin to be booked any of these ways?
Hogan didn't have beef with Austin. There were a lot of guys pushed to the top, or near the top, of WCW. Hogan worked with top guys like Sting, Goldberg, Flair, Lex, Giant, Nash, and even Savage, despite having beef with Savage. Not sure why you think Hogan would refuse to work with Austin. Hogan had creative control over his own booking, not the entire company's booking. The reason Austin went to WWF was because he felt he couldn't break the glass ceiling into the upper echelon, nor that he could rise to the level of Hogan. But that was before the genesis of the Stone Cold gimmick, and it was not because he had pissed off Hogan to the point Hogan had it in for him.
@ it’s because he had creative control 🤷🏻♂️
Disciples of Apocalypse (DOA) in the attitude era rode the bikes and leather jackets first
Taker, as loyal as they come to Vince and WWE/F
Wasn't it Ole Anderson who fired Mark Calaway from WcW and explained it with that Mark would never draw a dime.
Taker told that story on his Podcast, but als in interviews. Boy, can I imagine what a satisfection he might have had when Taker realized he was on of THE guys who puts a*ses in the seats, so to speak.
If Ole wouldn't have said those words and Taker not realized what chance Vince had given him, he might have gone back to WcW. However with a different Gimick, as the WWE owns the Gimmick and the Music! But maybe he would have figured out a (not too) similar character and still get over. But it never happened, so...
You mean if he defected after Hogan, aka monday night wars time period. Undertaker was in WCW in the early 90s but he didn't stay there for very long...Mean Mark Callous? He wrestled Luger and others.
Taker knew since literally EVERY top star left WWF if he stayed there he would be top dog and he wasn't wrong, probably smart business on his part.
I always felt DDP was "WCW's Stone Cold"
An Outlaw'ish Face, that you just can't trust...and always seem to be a step ahead of their opposition.
Page at least filled that niche over there, if nothing else.
we’re all glad steve ended up in the WWF…
Just sayin, there's several reason Austin did that promo dressed as Hogan in ECW.
He would have been a biker, riding on a bike driven by Hogan, holding on to Hogan's waist
Austin and dx were the beginning of the attitude era, eric had the nwo, half of the cliq, so vince needed his own group, dx was formed with 2 other members of the cliq, then you had waltman aka X pac in both groups 😂😂❤, actually only hunter out of the cliq hasn't been in the nwo, as shawn was part of wwe nwo wowsa bet hunter was glad he dodged that bullet 😂😂😂
Taker & Surfer Sting fought in old WCW. Mean Marc Callous jobbed in a title match.
Steve Austin got Stone Cold idea from ECW. Stole stunner from Mickey Shipwreck.
Austin would hv remained a nobody in WCW. His 3:16 line only worked cause Jake the Snake had a preacher gimmick.
Actually he got the idea as inspiration after seeing a documentary on Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski. His wife came up with the name when telling him to drink his tea before it got stone cold and lastly the stunner move is disputed by multiple ppl saying they came up with it but SC never even thought of it until Michael Hayes suggested it to him
Would have been put in the wrath/mortis/glacier program
You guys missed you of had the money match Ausin vs Hulk, talk about a starcade world title match..
THE MARK nWo
Let's not kid ourselves, if undertaker tried the American bad ass character in wcw they would have put him in the nWo within weeks. You can't ride a motorcycle in wcw and not be in the nWo.
taker,triple h and stonecold all started in wcw and where all fired lol
🤔 it really could have worked just use his Mean Mark Callous character but as the American bad a** in WCW hell he then would have fit like a glove in the nWo 🤔
Mark would have not have gone because he was there before
"Stone Cold" was created because Austin was fired by Bischoff. If Austin was never fired he wouldn't have had that fire in his belly to create a character that hates his boss. Austin was too great of a talent to not be a star. But at the same time Hogan would have kept him down like he did everyone.
Ask Harlem Heat about Road Wild.
Not if Hogan has something to do about it......😊
I don't think so. Let's be honest. The reason he succeeded in WWF is that they gave him the character of a dead man who doesn't feel pain and doesn't fear his opponents, but they fear him in return. Also with great theme song . They made him crush most of the WWF legends in his first year. The WCW won't give him that even if they made him American Badass, he wouldn't have the freedom to use the mic like he had in WWE + the size of the WCW rings won't help him make a great match. And there won't be Shawn Michaels to make him get five stars. And they will definitely give him a theme that isn't as strong as his theme song in WWF. The Warrior's theme song in WCW was very bad, and I wouldn't be surprised if Taker's theme was the same. Even if it was good, it wouldn't be as strong as his theme in WWF.
Austin could have gotten over in wcw if he had stayed - but when it comes to Goldberg - make no mistake - Austin was losing to Goldberg at that time
Taker would have worked. He was well established. Could of had takers bad ass crew battle nwo. Austin wouldn't of ever been anything at WCW. He would have been mid level plot lines there.
He couldn’t have used the gimmick, and MAGA mark was all gimmick. He is absolutely NOTHING without that gimmick. Nothing. He, himself is not even a legend. It is the gimmick that is the legend.
You can say that about austin,hart,rock
Lets be honest, you wouldnt have American Bad ass, WCW would have booked the Return of Mean Mark and the Skyscrapers and Steve Austin would have become a Horseman at some point
Did he just say ( seriously?!@?!) That he copied Bishoff?!!
Bischoff invented biking in rasselin.
Would have been misbooked like Bret.
Mark Thompson
i think the undertaker was better off in wwf its better that he stayed in the wwf
Eric speaks like hogan would’ve allowed him to do all this. Lmao
Hogan jobbed the Undisputed World Heavyweight Title to the Undertaker in 2002. Why wouldn't he have done that for Taker in WCW? Hogan has jobbed the title to...
The Giant
Lex Luger
Sting
Goldberg
....and Ric Flair all in WCW. He's also jobbed CLEAN to Jacques Rougeau and Billy Kidman. The ONLY TIME Hogan really went into business totally for himself in WCW was against Sting at *_Starrcade '97._* Outside of that, he has always put people over when it was necessary to do so. So, he would have had no problems putting Taker over because that would have greatly helped WCW.
Wcw said no one would pay for him to wrestle haha and wwe said opposite and he had to change
He would've joined nWo
that version with Jeff Jarrett? LOL
If Austin stayed in WCW, WWE could have lost the war before WCW went out of business. Also, Vince might have tried harder to keep/appease Bret Hart, and Montreal might never have happened. Crazy alternate timeline
Austin would have been completely stuck in the midcard for sure, vinnymac saved taker and austin.
Dominant Tall Nonbuilt Wrestlers Weigh 400 Plus Pounds And Fat Main Eventers Weigh 400-900 Pounds. That Why The Undertaker Didn’t Make It In WCW. Kevin Nash Tried To In 2000 Get The Undertaker To Come To WCW. Because The Undertaker Trying To Get Muscular. As The Undertaker Decided To Go Back To The WWE, That Musculinity Went Away. The Undertaker Was Little Muscular In WCW. After He Left WCW, That Little Muscles Disappeared. The Undertaker Loyalty To WWE Is Meaningless In Comparison. He Rightly Wouldn’t Have Been Successful In WCW Unless He Gained At Least 72 Pounds Or Got Built. If He Gained Weight Or Got Muscular And Went To WCW, The WWE Would’ve Been In Big Trouble Because They Would’ve Had 3 Top Stars Left, The Rock, HHH & Kane. The Undertaker In WCW Would’ve Been The A.B. Ass Mark Callous. WCW Would’ve Had Sting vs Mark Callous As Main Eventer, Goldberg vs Nark Callous, Hulk Hogan vs Mark Callous, Kevin Nash vs Mark Callous, Sid Vicious vs Mark Callous, Lex Luger vs Mark Callous As A Main Eventer And Mark Callous Could’ve Joined The New Blood Him & Sid-Two Former Skyscrapers. The New Blood Would’ve Had Some Star Power Before Could Have New Stars. With Vince Russo, Vampiro’s Push Should’ve Been Booker T’s Or The Demon’s And Scott Steiner Should’ve Been Pushed Over Vampiro.
Wow.
LMAO 😂
To openly say that Taker stole YOUR gimmick Eric? Thats laughable. The American Badass is more like Taker in real life.
Eric, you're ok in my book, but lose the ego. Taker don't need to steal anyone's gimmick. Don't flatter yourself.
Austin in the same fashion on WCW would have never happened.
WCW was croquet vs football
WCW was bingo night vs nickel beer night.
WCW was suplex city nursing home vs Suplex City Nightclub
WCW was dusty ugly, boring 70s action vs Sex drugs and rock and roll.
I was 7, 8, and 9 during the Monday Night Wars so therefore my kid brain is an expert. Lol shiny flashy sexy raunchy rough vs ugly dusty decrepit.
WCW also did not have Sable. Lol jk
Just watch a Raw is War intro video from 1998/1999 vs a WCW nitro intro video. It will show you exactly what I am saying...for those that dont know.
WWF RAW was the shit.
Undertake dies in wcw. American badass stands a better chance. But still.
Stone Cold wouldn't of worked in wcw. He's just another Alex Wright level.
Could.maybe see him being a horseman.
If Austin Stays, DX probably blows up. Hopefully Owen becomes the new Bret. Not sure who takes the Austin spot.
Sorry Conrad and Easy E “The American Bad Ass” gimmick was freaking lame. I think the reason it was able to get over in WWE is because everyone was hoping and praying for the day the Deadman Returned.
PS Conrad do you stay up late at night thinking about and dreaming up magic moments you would have liked to see in the past like Steve Austin drinking Steveweisers and giving the entire NWO Stone Cold Stunners. One last question how many wrestling action figures do you have and which one is your favorite one?
I didn't like the American Badass gimmick
Me neither I liked being able to see undertaker, and when he threw urn in the trash I was like wtf
Me too, Conraddison. I hated the fake cartoonish Undertaker gimmick. Mark was good enough to be more realistic.
Absolutely he would have. He and Austin would have gone back if WCW never went out of business. Time Warner had a large pocket book and money talks. And we will never know WCW could of been the place to be in maybe 2003-2005 if it was never sold
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We know exactly where WCW would be now, it’d be in TNA’s position, just much more successful.
Even as edgy wcw was, it was still southern based! Those guys in turner would have completely stopped all that.....which is why wcw probably ended! Its weird how eric got the nwo over, yet they in turner fought against it so much. Then vinnymac was like im gonna smash these fools because of it lol
I think Austin staying would have kept DDP from breaking out or vice versa.
It all matters on when taker defects! Think about it, in 97' taker didn't have any idea of the American badass! Had he joined wcw in 2000, that would have killed him off completely. Bottom line, takers loyalty was never in question. And steve Austin, nope vinnymac and steve made scsa!