Yes, but I'm referring to how no one ever talks about it in the show. There's a good number of comments like this, I'm starting to think I should have worded myself differently to make that more clear
I thought canonically it was something to do with the Faunus considering her previous prejudice? I never really took the trailers except for YELLOW & BLACK as canon so I could be wrong.
@@twiinsiink My fiance and I were re-watching the series for the volume 7 finale, and we were wondering about that as well. When I looked into it I found that apparently it is addressed in either a manga or a comic book. I have not read it yet, but it sounded like they fleshed that plot thread out pretty well.
@@JohnAWoods-ui3gp Someone worded it better than I'm about to attempt right now, but i somewhat resent that this additional context is left out of the show because the show is what's considered canon. Additional materials some people may not know of or have interest in getting due to medium make it less official and less canon to a lot of people since if anything, it's only supplemental. I wish they acknowledged it in the show at some point, even if it's something like Ruby saying it was cool at the beginning before they knew each other and she was horrible at conversing (in fact, I feel like she might have?).
Weiss's entire design looks too heavy, she's always looked like she's dancing elegantly whenever she battles so her outfits were always on the lighter side, now it looks like she might trip on something.
Yeah, I sort of wish she went away from the whole princess look to show her leaving her family entirely and going down her own path now. Maybe a more elegant and light sophisticated look or something would be better. But over all, it feels like the production team just sort of forgot the personality/backstory of the characters when making their outfits
Yeah, like I wish they based her dress off dancers. Perhaps something a woman would typically wear for Salsa or Tango. Give that evolution while keeping the hint sophistication to her designs. Add a coat for warmth and maybe make the outfit a little lighter as she would be more used to the weather in Atlas, especially in comparison to Blake who is from a tropical island.
I thought the same thing too. By the way why add blue to her look and not more white that ever? They could have put the red somewhere where we can see it just like they did back in V1-3? I mean come on 😒
Random Stuff Yeah Ruby’s eyes look less “silver” and more “grey” which is a bit of a problem when you have characters like Mercury Black stand next to her.
Oh my god, that rendition of Weiss' new outfit you did with white being the primary instead of blue is just amazing. I had to pause the video and just stare at it for a minute, it looks so much better than the version we actually got. Edit: Just saw Blake's edit and I got to say, as someone who has grown to dislike her character since Volume 4-5, having her in all black like that would have made me like her a lot more.
Agreed. Also including the Yang edit . For most of the new outfits I knew there was something wrong to me but couldn't pinpoint it. Your edits made it a lot more clear that the main issues were color emphasis. I always disliked Weiss's new hair purely because it looked blocky. I feel like she would benefit from a haircut more than Blake, especially if they're typing to keep her outfits so large (so you can't really see the hair anyway).
Blake's sleeves are unzipped and she held them together with belts. That one thing about her outfit has been driving me insane for months. Thank you so much for bring it up
We can only wonder why the hell anyone in charge of character design would think it would make any sense. It can't even use the excuse of the rule of cool like a bunch of other anime because it's too stupid.
Also ... isnt Weiss' braid too ... thick for the amount of hair she got? Also : Yeeeeeah. I really wonder why Jaune is the only one the creators seemed to have put any thoughts in.
To be fair, compared to everyone else's design, Jaune's V7 design is the one that changed the least from V6. If you take a side by side comparison of his V6 and V7 character designs, you can really see that his V7 character design is more of a streamlined and more fitting to his body. His breastplate has gotten bigger so that it covers his whole torso and looks more like an armored vest. His hoodie is also less pronounced as well. All in all, Jaune's V7 design gives off the feeling of a being a more streamlined, mature, minimalist redesign of his V6 character design.
LOL, yes! it looks like Weiss has several *pounds* of hair for how thick that braid is! Even taking in with how her ponytail was longer in the previous volumes, she didn't have that much hair for the size and thickness of the braid she's sporting now. I'm constantly wondering how the weight doesn't bother her.
Weiss' hair kinda looks like plastic now, since she lost all the splits in her hair. Also her hair looks like lost its vibrance in the later volumes, like in the first volume it practically glowed but now in most settings it looks like a light purply blue color instead of white, but that might just might be the lighting and art style change. To some degree her hair look like it was artificaly given volume not very well I might add but to some what add to what I was saying about her hair looking like plastic, there's no details at all it's just a blob sitting on her head and the artifical volume comes from all the bulbing and circle tool using for the character modelling for her and especially the braid, really cut that thing off and suddenly she could be blake or any character with short hair and a long coat? dress?. You wouldn't even know because how undistinct she would look, even with the braid you wouldn't be able to tell a lot from her silhouette.
The thing I hate most is penny's hair. They literally just clipped longer hair onto her previous model and called it a day. You can literally see where they split
Honestly, Blake should've gotten the braid, and Weiss gotten the hair-cut. If I were to design these two for V7 and out, I'd given Blake a long braid going down the back. When she's doing flips and fights, the braid would add some "Tail" addition to her silhouette. This, in my opionion, would give her more of a cat-like figure... cuz you know, Cat-faunus. It's also more practical than long loose hanging hair like she had from V1-V6, and the new haircut doesn't really improve upon that. As for Weiss, she should've been the one to cut her hair sort of like a rebellious act against her family. She also shouldn't have this royal look to her, like you pointed out, because she was supposed to strive to be different than her family name. Thus, a short/semi-short haircut would fit her more rebellious attitude. Other than that, I agree with basically everything in this video. Overall, i think RT and the designers screwed up here. Its also annoying how all the colours are all wrong up.
I just wish the outfits fit the cold much better, like they talk about how cold it is, but barely mention how cold it is in the show despite their outfits not doing much for warmth. They had the chance to adjust it to the climate while also making the outfits unique to each character, though they pretty much dropped the ball in my opinion. Also Weiss just looks heavy, which contradicts with her elegant ballerina fighting style. Her outfit should look more graceful. How can she even fight in all of that? It’s just making her look stiff. I think RT is taking “Ice Queen” too seriously. Weiss is a fighter so she should be wearing something that makes her look like one, not something that makes her look like she’s going to a royal ball.
I just wish they stuck to the white colour scheme her V1-3 outfit had. Not only is it synonymous with the character, but they could’ve made a funny running gag about how hard it would be to distinguish Weiss from the snow.
Honestly I was SO hyped for Weiss's new look to have fluffy trim and poofs on a skirt like a santa hat. Or at least for Snow Pea to come back in a more wintery style.
You did a really good job explaining character design. Often we can look at designs and dislike them but not be entirely sure why. Using the stuff you discussed helps us understand why we dislike some things and how it can be improved in various ways. Overall, very helpful. Your regular use of examples really tied it all together. Good work. 👍🏻
@@insertclevernamehere6607 I think that doesn't truly suit a ninja though. The usage of high heels, long kingdom hearts zippers and the white are surely going to be a problem for any kind of spy/ninja related character.
The only thing I hated about Yang’s redesign was her exposed Thigh, don’t get me wrong I like a girl in thigh highs buuut she’s traveling in a snowy area. Her right thigh must be cold AF
This, and the fact they changed the colored silhouettes in the opening, are what really annoy me. It's the name and concept for the ENTIRE SHOW. If they're so willing to change that, what else will they do to Monty's original vision?
Christoper Putt they didn’t really nerf the ace ops, the ace ops treated each other just as coworkers and not friends, this lead to them not considering each other’s perspectives and motives while fighting. Harriet and Elm’s emotions were high causing them to loose their professionalism and get sloppy. Contrasting my team RWBY worked to split up the ace ops leaving them in really bad parings. Weiss’ summoning overwhelming Marrows semblance. Blake and Yang took Vine by surprise. Elm was ready to blow herself who knows without being able to grip onto the terrain though yangs newfound attention to detail allowed her to to knock elm off her balance (an occurrence she more than likely finds rare and hard to deal with) to deal the final blow. Harriet fell victim to the same unlearned lesson of the tale she’s based off of. In the end she relied on out speeding rwby only for Weiss to catch her off guard.
Meanwhile, back on the "Blake's redesigns are worse than Cinder Show" But for real, this got me interested in character design. I hadn't really noticed before, but most of these designs make me want to vomit on an instinctual level, just because they've got SO MUCH going on. There's tons of everything on everyone's outfit, and when I started thinking about that as I watched the video, I almost cried looking at Jaune. The boy is just upgrading steadily, not throwing belts and zippers all over the place. I didn't really appreciate how simple his design is until now. Seeing Ren made me want to vomit. And I was even thinking about how you mentioned they were supposed to be easy to cosplay, which made me realize that these outfits are mostly insane. I can't see anybody wearing a lot of this stuff in a real world setting! It makes me think about the Volume 1-3 designs, with how simple and concise they were. These guys look like they went to Narnia, but instead of a magical wardrobe, it was a really aggressive one that forced them to model as much clothing at once as possible. This isn't a big issue for me, since character design isn't my main reason for liking RWBY, but it is something I'd be happy if they dealt with.
John Seymore Blake shouldn’t have cut her hair I was fine with the V4 outfit it was out of place but it looked fine plays swapping the black and the white on it would be ugly as sin
I really do agree on this. While I've never really done that much of a characters design, I see now how's it's really important. In all honesty I was really disappointed in both Blake and Weiss's design overall. They added more blue and grey than white and even changed her hair that looks more like a whip and that's just sad. They also could have put the red somewhere else on the dress to where we can see it most of the time but no they didn't. Now for Blake...not a fan with the short hair at all and it looks really...unattractive to me. I would have preferred her original hair design better than now and why add more white than black? It just makes me upset about it is all, but they do represent their "OWN" color just like back in V1-3 but now she's starting to look like a background character just like the rest of her team and Jaune's team.
Even after the volume, I still don’t like Jaune’s hair, it just reminds me too much of anime bully hair, like something you would see on team CRDL. To me it just contrasts his personality too much.
I'm still not the biggest fan of V7 Jaime's hair. Kind of wish he stuck with his old haircut but maybe just had a different hairstyle to go with it. But I've grown a tad bit used to his new haircut, namely because it reminds me of My Hero Academia's Mirio Togata's haircut.
@@justanotherchannelonyoutub126 To be fair, Jaune's old hair style has been the same for 6 whole Volumes. His new haircut just came out the past Volume. Obviously you're not going to get a deluge of Jaune fanart with his new hair style. It takes time. Do you get what I mean?
@@presidentdeadpool3198 I agree. I'm not a critique kind of girl so I wrote the first thing that came to my mind. Weiss looked hilarious the whole volume.
@@presidentdeadpool3198 to be fair, sometimes 2D drawings just don't translate well into 3D. I'm... Not sure how anyone could design that ridiculous amount of hair and expect it to work on a 3 dimensional model.
@@jackbishop8610 Weiss looks like Winters Mom...who is also Weiss's Mom. Conclusion: Weiss used Mercury Black's Time travel Semblance to become her own Mother! Which also means she...."made love" to Jacques. Eww! But you have to make Sacrifices if you want to actually be born.
What bothers me the most about the models is how the arms look insanely skinny compared to their torsos. The length between the armpits and the shoulders is incredibly short! It looks insanely unnatural
Oh shit, I've never seen someone game enough to mention skin tone when talking about character design. It seems like its very taboo to acknowledge its a color/tone like any other and plays into a design. I've been thinking of a video for a while now on the idea that we as a society might just suck at designing black characters cause we simply havn't done it as much or for as long. I've been thinking when people say a black character feels forced just for being black what they really mean is that the design looks bad on account of them being a black character drawn like they're white. I've also noticed that appart from movies where a pre-established character's skin color is changed, the complaint doesn't appear in live-action. It only appears in animation. Which has lead me to believe black characters in animation often don't have any contrast in their skin because we don't use skin highlights for effecient animation. So black characters often have no constrasts of tone in their design, they just kinda look like a single dark tone with nothing breaking it up. BUT on the flip side, white characters DO have contrast even though most animation doesn't utalise shadows, but thats because in animation, every single character in animation is already outlined in black, which contrasts the skin tone. I'd be curious to know what you think of this, i'm very new to visual design and color theory and that video is going to cover a rather delicate topic, so i'm trying to expose this idea to people who might know better before I start scripting.
I'm struggling to think of "sucky" black designs? Static Shock, Garnet (from steven universe), Fat Albert, Penny Pride (and really the whole pride family), Numba 5 from Code name kids next door, Cyborg from teen titans. They've all got really cool styles, use of color and are really iconic. I'm not researched enough on the discourse on changing skin tones to comment on the frequency of it. On the topic of contrast, I see where you're coming from but I can't think of an example where a black character sort of "gets lost" in the contrast or lack there of. Though, that could definitely be an issue with the bold-outline look of many cartoons. Luckily, unique styles of animation help alleviate that problem (animation like the tangled cartoon is a good example of not having to worry about that black out line). Did you have any specific examples in mind around this topic?
@@twiinsiink Oh yeah examples. So all the examples you listed there with the exception of fat albert and the dad in the proud family I agree are good designs, but all of them incorporate bright tones. Static shock has the yellow bow and both him and Garnet have white visors,(Also garnets skin is more maroon so i don't know how that changes things), cyborg has bright blue highlights and light grey metal on his chin and cheek, Numba 5 has a bright big red hat and gold ear rings. And the Proud family either has really light skin to begin with (most characters in Boondocks are like that aswell) and/or light toned lipstick like Penny, white hair and red glass like grandma, or bright lines through the hair like the mother or the baby. (Esmeralda also uses the hair line technique who i'm a fan of) Examples I think look... like i'm not going to say sucky but... dramatically less striking are Craig of the Creek's MC who had some people claiming forced divirsity and I personally think is a good example cause all his family look fine with the incoporation of things like glasses, bandana's, light grey hairlines, earrings or lipstick or just a lot lighter skin with the little sister, who DOES have a scrunchy tbh. Its just the MC who lacks that kind of thing. /watch?v=MvQgdjCU6hE (I'm also not sure how much hairlines help to break up tones even if they're not bright, I don't seem to mind Kilik from Soul eater for this reason) I think its probably alot easier to notice by comparison, like, who's your least favourite Proud Family design? or, between Harriet, Elm and Marrow, which is your favourite design? Cause to me Harriet just seems to pop alot more with her bright hair and eyebrows. Oh also Chase from Genlock is one that felt really jarring to me, he has the tiniest amount of blue thats only visible on one side of his face and thats all. Also, minor characters in rooster teeth shows like rwby have nothing added to their design to replace the natural highlights of black skin and just look so flat to me. Are there any black characters in the Tangled cartoon to look at to see if it looks better? Cause my point was that the black outline adds contrast to white characters and does nothing for black characters. So taking the outline away wouldn't really do anything to fix the problem in my mind.
I dunno, I think you might be getting lost in the details? Bright colors are used in lots of character designs, especially cartoons (take a look at the rainbow that it Ed, Edd and Eddy's cast). I don't think one HAS to vibrant accents to help their features become clear- but rather than vibrant accents are helpful overall in character design. Numba 5's red hat and earnings are functionally no different than numba 2's pilot cap and yellow goggles. The only thing one has to keep in mind is color theory. Don't give your character an accessory or shirt that's the same color as their skin (which we can see how that also applies to white characters with Ruby's cream shirt last volume). I think Craig's problem is that he has a very boring design. I don't watch this show, but looking at the 3 leads... he just has a very boringly safe design. The other boy's large sleeves and long face, the girl's big eye brows and and cape. They have more interesting elements on them. Craig looks like they were probably afraid to take and chances for fear of making him look accidentally racist and so made him a default, nice boy. Which I get going with that decision, but it does lead to a bland and unforgettable main character. My favorite Proud family design is the grandma, just a real nice use of silhouette for her. And between Harriet, Elm, and Marrow, I like Marrow the best. His scruffy hair helps sell the "puppy" vibe and the way they designed his uniform shows us how up-tight he's trying to be (since he's the newest member of the team, gotta be professional). Though Harriet's eyes, unique hair, and emphasized thighs does help her stand out a bit from her team. I totally understand why she's your favorite! They do lack a natural highlight, so I see why they look more flat to you. Though, with the ump to Maya I think the whole show got more flat looking. Perhaps with time they can figure out how to get soft highlights in the show! I don't watch the Tangled cartoon, i've just seen a few clips from it, sorry. I think this all sorta boils down to- people need to keep color theory in mind. You can't design a black character the same way you design a white character because their base colors are so different (I mean, even the minor difference in skin tone between Ruby's concept art and model made a huge impact on the design). Just like how "yellow isn't my color" in real life, that applies to illustrated characters too. It's not necessarily a need for bright tones, but rather contrast- which is important for all character design. (I think Boondocks is a good example of this). And, I guess to round this all out, I don't know if you've seen it but there's an anime that I think was produced by Jaden Smith (Will Smith's son). It's called Neo Yokio. And I recommend giving it a look for your continued studies into designing black characters!
@@twiinsiink Well thats what i'm saying, i'm not saying black characters need bright tones or accessories inherently. I'm saying all characters need contrast in their design. Its just a character outline gives inate contrast to white characters since the outline is black. Like if you had a head shot of just Weiss face, a character with white skin, white hair and basically nothing but bright tones, and then you removed all the outlines, her face would look like a giant white smudge, it would look terrible. I'm looking through the list of tangled adventure character and you can't find a single character who's designed like that because they don't have outlines. The closest you get is repunzal herself but she has dark hairlines, dark red lipstick and she has waaay thicker lines around her eyes, she even has slightly darker skin and a dark red to her nose, these are all the opposite in tone additions to what i've been saying about black characters. She looks totally different to her design in the movie, which makes sense cause the movie is a high budget 3d model CGI movie with a lighting engine that will add an appropriate amount of shadow to her face to give her contrast to her design as it has nothing but light tones.
@@Uniquenameosaurus Sorry, I may have misunderstood you at some point. You started out talking about character designs, but the big issue seems to be instead the use of black outlines? I hope I haven't come across as dismissive or something. I know my text can read kinda blunt sometimes, and I by no means have intended to put you down. I've just been trying to offer some suggestions on designing black characters
Those designs seemed to be about incorporating black and white into everybody's design. Ruby gets some gray on her (black and white mixed together), Blake has a bit more white added to her, Weiss swaps her pop of red for black accents, and Yang's yellow is made paler (adding white to her color) and she's given more black. By having all their temporary outfits have something in common this way, it kept everyone looking unified but still distinct.
Seriously Blake should have just put on a ponytail or a bun. Yang looked so great with her ponytail and they use basically same models for hair so it would have been so easy. easy doesn't always mean uninspired or boring. When I first saw Blake wondering about her hair I hoped she would just tie it up.
@@user-lj8js5vj4g @Wima V. @AMiRiTE? @Sophiya from Russia So, that sounds like horse shit. Do you have a credible source for that claim, or is it just hear-say? Remember kids, you can't believe everything you read on the internet
You know what I wonder? If they were gonna change Rens hair, why didn’t they just put it in a high ponytail? They had this whole arc were they had to go back to his hometown and remembers his dad and shit why dident they make him look like the guy he looked up to, while also making him look mature? And why dident they keep the coat tails from volume four? Giving that thing sleeves would have made him look very warm. Also they could have left his hair down, it’s a cold climate and I don’t see Yang or Penny pulling up their hair anyways.
Finally! I finally found what my problem is with RWBY post-Volume 3! The characters outside of Teams RWBY and JNR don't give off the anime vibe I love so much. It didn't feel like I'm watching an actual American anime anymore, just an American cartoon trying to be anime-esque.
If I remember correctly, Monty (head writer) was the only one of the writers who actually watched anime. I believe there's records of him talking of giving Miles and Kerry (fellow writers) "anime homework" so they could better understand what he was going for with the show. When Monty passed away, the show moved to the two guys who watched western cartoons instead anime so that would explain the stylistic whiplash.
It use to be so charming and whimsical but season 1-3 and 4-7 are like completely different shows, iv completely lost interest and havnt even bothered watching season 7 😔
I got sad when you mentioned how Monty liked to keep the costumes simple to encourage cosplay. I know Monty gets brought up a lot and I don't want to sound like a broken record. And no offence to the people who have put so much time and effort into creating this show. But for me it just reinforces the feeling that when Monty died, the show lost its soul. The world lost its vibrancy and (literal) colour, the stylised, rhythmic, and dynamic fights, and even the casual interpersonal interactions that were at the heart of the team and kept it fun. Now the show goes on because it's profitable, and the merch and deals they can make with the rights are profitable as well. But it feels like it's just going through the motions. Especially when you lay the costume changes out like that, where they are so unconnected to any character development, the world at large, and without any consideration for other members of the group. RWBY feels like a merch factory and character design fashion runway now than anything else.
Specially when you consider that Monty would sit down with Ein Lee and talk about the designs. Kerry wrote a little article on the new outfits and most of what he said is that they are dressing for a cold weather which doesn't look like it tbh, and that Weiss is more of a caster now. None of the new designs were written into the story itself, so they don't have any consideration for it. If RWBY was a book, mentioning how the characters changed their outfit would be pointless since it doesn't mean anything.
ProxyDoug - Previously Douglas Rosa It seems a little insulting to Weiss that she’s now a caster. Weiss did a good job supporting the team and her own skills (her swordswomanship) with her Glyphs, and now they’re just throwing away Weiss’ entire character. Especially when she wanted to be like her sister, Winter, and that scene of them back in Vol. 3 when they were training together and showcasing more of Weiss’ character development. I remember that fight back in Volume 2 against Torchwick and with the whole team showcasing their skills and TEAMWORK. Weiss just isn’t the type to sit back and cast Glyphs like some DnD support character, we saw that time and time again she also jumps into action, because she has a rapier not a WAND. Everything about Weiss now threw away her entire character demo in the WHITE trailer, when she was able to defeat a giant by herself. Its disappointing to see them change their roles as they see fit based on how they incorrectly portray their own characters. To them they still think of Weiss as this hissy fit princess and they punish her by downgrading her as we go by Volumes. We especially see that in her new outfit. For someone with a elegant type of swordsmanship such as the rapier, which requires precision and speed, her two layers of dresses don’t make sense at all.
@@elzawa3413 It's interesting, they could have used the glyphs as part of her development since it's her family heritage, which she both denies and wants to take over. Todoroki had a sinilar arc in My Hero Academia and it worked so much better. They could have used the embargo to make her endless dust supply shorter after she ran away, hell, she even gets rid of a whole shipment in V5, which would cause her to only rely on fencing and in order to save her friends (just an example), she would have to accept that part of herself and start using summons as part of her style. She could have been so much more.
ProxyDoug - Previously Douglas Rosa It just seems like there’s a huge disconnect with the characters utilizing their semblances and their skills with their weapons. They treat their semblances like, “Hey, look at this cool thing I can do!” Rather than using them productively and effectively. They also treat their weapons like props rather than items that can literally destroy robots in one swing. Now with the shift of tone and genre with the entire show, all of the characters themes are just a mish mash of nonsense. I loved all of their demos, we saw that Ruby was capable of taking down a whole horde by herself since she has such a huge and dangerous weapon, Weiss is very precise and practical with her rapier, Blake is agile and effective with her blade(s) and ribbons, and Yang is brute and vicious with her shotgun gauntlets. Combining dust, gunfire, and their semblances with transformative weapons has always been the main spotlight of RWBY for years, and for me was one of the biggest reasons why I got into the show. The plot then drew me in as I found that it wasn’t just about kids with cool weapons. Its a show about fighting and yet they made it the most least important thing to them overtime.
Conceptually, I love Blake's new hair because, as you mentioned in the video, it looked wonderful in all of its depictions when drawn as opposed to when it was animated. Blake's original hair has a lot of volume in it, especially where that one curly bunch of hair that was on the left side of her head is... but when it was being modeled, it lost all of that volume and draped straight down when she has been known to have wavy hair at least.
also, I've always hated Jaune's designs (especially because I prefer spiky or sharper silhouettes/hate the classic long-haired shounen boy look), but he looks great now. His tighter pants and more sleek footwear gives his body a more muscular/heroic silhouette.
@@januarychild6764 I think she nailed it on the head with my issue with Jaune's hair. It should curl downwards like it always has. That's probably my only misgiving with him. Everything else is more or less perfect
Weiss' hair looks so freakin heavy. how does she fight with that. idk about y'all but i feel like weiss should've gotten the short hair haircut instead of Blake. i've seen a few fan art of it and it looks very good. now, i'm not saying she should have it because it looks nice, but just because her hair looks really heavy and seeing all the twirls and stuff she does, i can see it smacking her face a lot. and long hair is very common amongst royals or people with high power. her having short hair will clearly represent Weiss' devotion to being a huntress. as for blake, she is sort of a ninja so i can see her bang's getting in the way and blocking her vision a lot, like with jaune. she should keep her hair down, but pull the sides of her hair back with a clip or band so that her hairstyle still changes, but it isn't such a drastic change and it's more realistic. it also fits blake's character a bit. the short bob hairstyle Blake has, especially with the bangs, is more of a pure, innocent look. it seems bright, yet dulled down. that's why it fits people like ruby and penny. considering blake's sort of distant, cold character, it just doesn't match her. so yeah. but feel free to like whatever you want to like :)
I had never noticed how much detail Weiss' hair lost. On that note, a friend of mine pointed out that Blake's hair doesn't have enough definition and Jaune's has too much. On both Weiss and Jaune, I hate how their outfits makes it look like they have their shoulders down on a more neutral pose. Doesn't help that Weiss' gloves are so dark that it makes it harder to see when they are close together and in front of her torso and Jaune's shoulder pads literally point down (as well as just being glued to his shirt). Jaune's pants look great since they seem to have been taken straight from the military. Maybe it would've been nice to have them wear uniforms for a while and when they rebelled against Ironwood, they could incorporate their original designs on top of the military getup. Which is something that they don't do anymore, characters don't change outfits and hair styles mid volume, they did for the Atlas dormitory and that was it. Lastly, I'm still baffled by the fact Blake's outfit is just one catsuit that starts on her shoes and goes to her neck. I've seen the concept art many times and I still don't know how she get's into it. Edit: Another thing that contributes into making Nora's design looks so out of place, is that she always used to wear two distinct pieces that separated her bottom half to her top half and it felt genuine. Now it's more of a suit, the type you can't make on a character creator.
ProxyDoug - Previously Douglas Rosa Blake’s hair cut was plain ugly everyone was like omg Blake cut her hair it looks so good in the V7 artwork but I was the only one that noticed it was ugly in the beginning
Again, you talked about this, but RWBY's colour scheme was amazing. It just felt like it was another aspect of the show that was necessary. Everything's a gun and everyone has explosive colour. But when we learned in Volume 2 that the whole war on art and colour spawned the rebellion of NAMING YOUR CHILDREN AFTER COLOUR? Like, I don't know if it's just me but that felt poetic. To acknowledge a past of war and hatred and take away the beauty of what it stood for, and focus on it. Every colour named character was influence by something of a movement. And that history made me love the colours of RWBY more. And then it just... became fashion weekly? Belts here, zippers there, and basic solid colours everywhere. They weren't RWBY but more so... rwby. They felt like trend setters more than children embracing the passion and history of what their name symbolized. It just felt different.
When I look at the belts and zippers on these characters I’m reminded of Blazblue cross tag battle It’s as though they were trying to pay Archsystem works back, for put their characters in BBTAG by making every design look like it was ripped straight out of the Guilty Gear or Blazblue universes
@@odaphii When Monty was alive, there were nowhere near as many belts, after he died, there have been a _shocking_ increase in beltage, so I _very_ _much_ doubt that Monty had exactly planned to give the characters copious amounts of them. Also, Final Fantasy has a _lot_ more than just characters, there are animation, world building, backgrounds, general plotline, etc., so just because it's an inspiration for the _show,_ that doesn't mean that it inspired the character design.
Something has been bothering me about Weiss’ outfit from Volume 4. In the concept art and in Volume 4, it looks gorgeous. The blue on top and white on bottom is a nice inverse of her previous design. The blues and whites are vibrant and stand out, making her look really great... and then in Volume 5 they wash out the colours by sticking her in boring, yellowish lighting and it comes out as grey. I think it’s the reason you said her outfit was grey. Blue doesn’t do well in yellow lighting. Just wanted to point that out. On the topic of Weiss’ new design. One massive problem with it is the colours are way too vivid. Her jacket looks like somebody painted it. The colours are flat and boring. Putting her in softer colours, like the softer blues fading into the white, would be so much better than this random collection of primary school blues.
I feel like Weiss and Blake should have swapped hairstyles, in a sense. Weiss wearing her hair down to signify she's not letting her past and heritage control her. Blake tying her hair up to show she's getting serious. Also, Yang probably should have been the one to cut her hair. Go for the future Trunks look.
Something that really annoys me about Blake and Ruby's hair is that Blake's looks more like dark gray and Ruby's is so black they can't even shade it. V1 had both of their hair look this black, so Ruby's red highlights stood out as red next to Blake. Now though, Ruby's hair looks more like the black one than Blake, even though her red is clearer this volume than the previous ones, the black portion of her hair "out-blacks" the so-called black character Another thing I don't like is the ace ops character designs. They look too much like a matching set, they don't stand out as their own person. All of them have either black or brown hair, and their outfit colors are all exactly the same. I can't get a sense of what's supposed to be their distinct color. The only hint we're given is their eyes, which are so generic looking (aside from Harriet) that we don't really pay much attention. Apparently Vine's aura is light blue ??? Even his semblance doesn't convey that. I get that these are military uniforms and they're not meant to be that different (even though they all have very different and unique designs only keeping the same color palette) but at least have them look less genetic than just brown hair
I actually super dislike the ace ops uniforms as well. Speaking of colour I've hated the addition of red accents all over the place as a part of the Atlesian colour palette. Red was never a primary colour of Atlas, and this ties into the original world building where Atlas is one of the kingdoms stressing conformity and historical suppression of "loud" emotion. This is what made Atlesian characters like Weiss and Neon stand out, precisely because they both rebel against the existing power structure to varying degrees, and both have colours which diverge from Atlas (in addition to Weiss's side ponytail and Neon's...everything). Now Ironwood and AceOps both have bright red awkwardly all over the place, and it clashes so much with Atlas' previously toned down style. Though I do have to say Ciel's palette also was relatively brighter as well.
@@PolarisVu While I like the pop of color the red adds, it does have the unfortunate side effect of it being a whole city of people dressed like Weiss. I think making the red of their uniforms a gold (like how Ciel had in her design) would have a better choice for keeping Weiss looking distinct.
Here’s the thing about new outfits: more often than not, in my opinion, they’re used to either tell the viewer what the characters are doing, or signifies the passage of time, and volume 7s design don’t do either. For one, none of their outfits look like they belong in Atlas, being that it’s a kingdom of cold (logically Blake should’ve kept her hair long) and since there was no significant passage of time between volumes 6 or 7, there’s no reason for their new designs.
@@frogradar its also common for people to cut their hair after going through a major change in life. she just got rid of adam so that could be it, or she mightve just. wanted short hair.
@@catboy7395 Yeah but that's not told to us in story. We don't see her have a flashback, or maybe her hand trembles as she touches her hair, or something in her expression shifts as she stares at her reflection. She just touches her hair casually like "huh, might need a trim" Hell, maybe the fight with Adam fucked up part of her hair, giving her a reason to cut it.
One thing I don't get is that with Blake's recent designs if they must have one of her colours stand out more on the outfit instead of black, why do they always choose white but not purple? I think that change would work better in my opinion because: 1) It means that she isn't wearing just as much or more white than Weiss is, which makes sense as Weiss is supposed to represent the colour white, not Blake. 2) Characters from other franchises with black and purple as predominant colours in their designs can look good. In Transformers for example, we have Skywarp and the Insecticons from Transformers G1, Blackarachnia from Transformers Animated, Airachnid from Transformers Prime and Barricade from Transformers War for Cybertron (both the upcoming Netflix series and the figure released in 2019's siege toyline). 3) It would help in the snow as, with real life mountain climbers, the purple and black makes Blake easy to find in the snow, so if she ever got lost, the others could easily find her. The colour scheme could also help whenever she needs to use stealth as it's utilizing two very dark colours meaning she can blend into shadowy areas. 4) The purple in Blake's outfit would nicely contrast with the yellow in Yang's outfit and because the two were joined by the hip in this Volume, it would make sense to do this as it means their designs fit well together when they're both on screen.
Twiins iink thanks for the reply :) But yeah, I do find it strange that of the two extra colours present in Blake’s outfit, they mainly use the colour that one of her teammates already uses and considering the examples of characters that have great black and purple colour schemes that I listed, I find it odd that a lot of the time purple is no where near as noticeable in her recent outfits as white.
Nah, they just have to go and steal the outfits of kingdom hearts II characters, now that they changed their look for kingdom hearts III, their old clothes are free. Nora can take Kairi's outfit, she is halfway there anyway. Blake can have Aqua's outfit. Weiss will take Donald's. Oscar would probably get Goofy's. Jaune take Riku's and the rest can fight for whatever is left.
I remember once I saw the designs, it felt really strange. Like seriously strange. For me it felt like the new outfits were for a grown up team RWBY. I said this on Fatmanfalling's video too but I just gotta repeat it here. Team RWBY's designs look like they are for older girls. Like the girls graduated from school and they have grown up into adults and separated, become their own thing. I'm glad you talked about their designs too though. Your videos are always insightful while also offering ways for improving too
Twiins iink I think they meant the outfits make them look like they are much older and went on solo careers or something. Similar to how u said they look like they aren’t on the same team anymore.
Am I the only one who was really bothered when I saw that Weiss kept her hair in a braid in her pajamas? Why not let her hair down, she did in Vol. 1, when the show barely had any budget. Also I miss her Snowpea outfit from Vol. 2, I feel like it would've worked perfectly in Atlas (all of the RWBY girl's alt. outfits from Vol. 2 would've been perfect in Atlas imo)
I mean, yeah when I make RWBY OCs and think about their outfit designs I always look at Volume 1 outfits for inspiration/how to make sure they fit into the world - that should say something. My issue is that they don't LOOK like RWBY characters anymore; the first three volumes had a very distinct fashion to their character outfits, they were all unique yet fit together in the same universe, they were also really nice to look at. Volume 4-6 fashion was ok? Kinda? It didn't assault the eyes but it didn't 100% feel like RWBY either - then now with Volume 7 for me it feels like a horrible nosedive into confusion with the outfits - the thing I dislike the most is that there's no cohesion anymore, most of them look like they crashed in from an alternate universe, especially Nora, and I don't like it because to me they just don't fit in the RWBY universe looking like that, the distinct fashion from 1-3 is gone, and I miss it. (Well, that's my opinion, don't shoot me for it please aha)
Oh my god! I always see you in the comments, that's so exciting! Great job on the edit! I also liked how you gave Blake her bow back, I kinda wish she'd reincorporate that into her look some how.
Twiins iink thank you!!!! the edit was super fun to make haha, also YES i 100% agree, blake shouldve kept her bow until at least atlas, i miss her ribbon ninja aesthetic :( ...
imma just comment this here cause comments are disabled in the actual video i love how you can tell when someone is just triggeredly typing a comment with the sole intent to put someone down like in the ones you showcased about body types because there wasn’t a single solid defense against it. there is a weird increase in titty size. there is no variation in body type for girls. there *is* variation for the guys. it *is* an issue for a show that tries to proclaim about how diverse their show is cause all diverse means is girl power i guess. but meanwhile there’s not a single person of color as a main protagonist and any variation they had is stripped away. fighting style can contribute to unique body types. Yang can be buff and her being the one with boobs while it may rub people the wrong way, it was clear from the dang RED trailer with the cliff hanger silhouette. anyone who knows their stuff could immediately see the YELLOW silhouette and tell “that girls the big boobed one”. Ruby being the youngest gives her leeway to be young and grow a bit so fine. Weiss is older and shouldn’t be growing too significantly anymore and regardless her character design always gave off the air of elegance. Having a small and petite body type suits that concept. She doesn’t have to be busty and curvy cause, well Yang’s the busty one. As for curvy they could’ve just gave that to Blake. She’s a ninja, typical designs for ninjas or sneaky and sleuthy characters are either tight but free moving clothes or if they’re gonna be baggy then she should have accessories and ninja tools and tricks in them. but she doesn’t, that’s not her style or what the show is, so all were left with is the design stuffs from the original, a ninja with a hint of frenchness. her clothes were tight so they could keep that and accentuate it with a curvy body type. and people should also realize curvy doesn’t mean big boobs but the hourglass outline the boob, waist, and hip ratio make. so then we have buff and busty, young and growing, small and petite, and sleek and curvy. I’d say that’s well rounded enough because frankly I don’t exactly care for media trying to portray a “thicc” main character and I know RT wouldn’t include ACTUAL chonky girs, they’d do it the Sakimichan way. make thicc thighs and still keep the thigh gap, have big boobs but a flat stomach with small slim face and i’m tired of that crap. basically picking and choosing what parts of that body type get people’s rocks off more and ignoring the rest that inevitably come with the whole package. id honestly rather just see more variety in the other body types than the fetishization and somehow simultaneous ignoring of thicc girls. but no everyone is just the exact same body type. also in reference to Neo’s design, yes it is extremely strippery but i think it was an attempt to echo Torchwick’s design and have the hat make sense but it was done rather badly. it also drags out a still unanswered question, why did she care so much about Torchwick? with how much I remember the way the show portrayed it, I had assumed she was one of Cinder’s lackeys or apprentices.
I really love the direction of Penny's new design. The added white, the fluffier dress, the longer hair, her swords often floating behind her like wings, and how often she's flying really gives her an angelic vibe. But the unorthodox nature of the "wings" (metallic and usually spinning behind/around her in a circle) keeps it slightly robotic. Robot angel is a very fitting asthetic for the guardian of Mantle, as well as for a character who essentially was ressurected.
0:08 Jiminy Christmas! Seeing the evolution of quality from Volume 1 to Volume 7 is very jarring. I absolutely do not miss the shadow people, who now that I look closely, look more like cardboard stands than actual character models in this scene.
Intentional or otherwise, I really like the comparison at 12:03 with the girls and their color distribution; the wording just suits Yang's Goldilocks motif.
My views: Ruby - great new outfit, kinda goes with the whole atlas theme but still has the similar and classic look from her previous designs Yang - Yang's outfit would look better if her outfit wasn't as tight, she always wore looser clothes imo Weiss - wtf Blake - the desperate attempt at cutting the hair to show change in her character (plot wise) failed, like your example of Korra, Korra cut her hair during a dark time in her life, it symbolises her change well. With Blake, they could have added a small scene of herself cutting her hair and having a moment to feel relieved about leaving her past behind (if that was supposed to be the reason). It would have made more sense to bothe her character and to the audience. Jaun - he keeps to his original themes and design with works well Nora - tf happened there Ren - "take me back to the good ol' days".
Ruby and Weiss have too little of their teammates colors, Blake has too much, but Yang is JUUUUUUST right. Oh how I've been waiting to make a pun like this, I just couldn't think of one until now.
What the hell happened to the hair models having streaks of hair shading on them???? Jaune’s hair would look so much better if it had any lowlights and the same could absolutely be said on how plastic and oddly chunky Weiss’ hair looks now. Even BLAKE has a bit of hair detail, but shouldnt that be more important for the characters with bright or super light hair??
i still believe that outfits are the result of crwby playing KH3 then asking their lawyers how much they need to change to avoid a copyright claim from square and nomura
Just an idea but maybe Yang can have more skin showing because of her semblance? Maybe she is warmer when she wants to be? Just a thought. If it is true, I wish the writers would clarify
Agreed, with the clarify. That could be a cool character thing! Yang just runs a little hot naturally-- there could be banter about her not putting on a jacket in the arctic.
Here's my thoughts about Weiss' blues. Even tho i think your rendition of it (when you swapped it with white) is super awesome and i love it much more than the actual look, i still feel like her having Blue,White and Red would make her look like an Ace op or some specialist in the Atlus military, which is something she REALLY doesnt want to be. In my opinion they should have avoided it completely.
10:54 Um is it just me or does Blake’s chest look *BIGGER* than Yang’s chest? You know, the character who’s supposed to be “the busty one” by design? How is it possible that they have shots that makes other characters look like they are bigger than the one who’s supposed to be large? This only removes one of Yang’s very few defining traits in the series and it’s weird that for all their ballooning of Weiss’ chest that they made Yang look more flat.
One of my biggest peeves for Weiss' design for Volume 7 wasn't the lack of white or the massive blob of a ponytail braid, but it was how the model itself didn't have any good physics applied to it. When I first saw Einlee's promotional art for Weiss with her flowing skirt and braid, I thought wow, that looks amazing, but then my excitement dropped so fast when the trailer dropped and there was barely any flow to her outfit. The skirt was stiff, the ponytail braid barely moved and seemed like an inconvenience. Its not particularly anyone's fault, be in Einlee or the character modelers themselves, but I feel like there was a lack of communication because Weiss' design doesn't work with the flowy battle style of what RWBY is. If the models can't be as flowy with more bone physics as it should be, why make an outfit design that looks better with that application?
She was never meant to look like Snow White. This is obvious from her previous designs. If they wanted to try that as a new thing, they really could have done a better job. She doesn't just look like a disney princess, she looks like a very bad disney princess.
That wasn’t the point my point was that Weiss’s outfit wasn’t bad and since they are introducing more fantastical elements they can make the outfits more outlandish not Disney princess she doesn’t look like a Disney princess and 2 they can be more odd
I didn't get to play it, but on the topic of their unique designs: I really liked their Ruby and Weiss looks (Weiss especially was cool), but I felt that the team didn't really know what to do with Blake and Yang and so just went with "stereotypical ninja" and "stereotypical futuristic biker".
@@twiinsiink Then wouldn't Weiss's design be a "stereotypical princess/heiress" and Ruby be a "stereotypical lolita"? I think Blake had the weakest design, although it's still better than what we got in the show. Blake's fighting style is that of a ninja and the design reflected that. And it looks like she can actually blend into surroundings and go unnoticed (like a ninja). Yang looks like a biker, like you said, but she is with Bumblebee and it looks warmer than her volume 7 outfit and it has way more yellow! It also compliments her figure. :D Ruby's outfit looked a bit too girly for my taste (it looked like she was going to a Caribbean festival), and all the frills and roses look like a pain to fight with. Still pretty though. Edit: Weiss's design was my favorite too! So majestic! ❄
Sad thing about the colour on RWBY’s designs is that in the season 7 intro, it’s no longer Red, White, Black and Yellow(RWBY). It’s Red, Blue, Purple and Beige(RBPB). Most of them are losing their original colour. Seeing the edits on the girls, they look even better than the original, my personal favourite being Blake’s edit. Love this video btw, it taught me a lot about character design cause I enjoy drawing them as well!
@@twiinsiink Ozpin: "RBPB! What Color am I even supposed to reference with that?! I can't work like this! Glynda, you take over from here!" Glynda: "At least they have it better than the poor Children that make up Team SHIT.... They only won the last Vytal Tournament because the Enemy spend too much time laughing."
What gets is that there really are just a couple small tweaks they can do to make the outfits for Team RWBY better. I do 3D modelling, and have done some character work, so this is my perspective: - Change the color of Weiss's jacket to a pale blue or a snowy white, make her braid much smaller and more manageable, and halve the amount of belts she has. - Change the color of Blake's coat to black, and the jumpsuit to white, and change her heels to flat-footed boots or slippers. - Thicken up Yang's jacket a bit, re-zip the pant leg on the right, and brighten her overalls from khaki to a richer tan like her original jacket.
I literally get SO HAPPY when I see your videos!!!! You're the only person who's notification I IMMEDIATELY click on when it pops up!!! Can't wait to see the video! (And I honestly don't like Weiss' new hair. Idk why but it looks like a huge step down in animation. No shade or definition)
I really like your channel's focus on character design. It's one of those things that's easy to overlook, but it makes a huge difference. I have generally been down on the new designs, so I was shocked when you showed some fanarts of the new looks, and how they looked better than the official show. As you said, I think consistency with the character and the world is key. I wonder if you would think of doing this kind of thing for other franchises. We've had a lot of video game remakes recently that offer good comparisons. Good luck with your channel! :D
It's a good one. Even though I questioned why he got a new design after getting to see his previous iteration so little, I still really like the new look for him.
If it's supposed to be cold in Atlas why would you have boob window? I know this is super nitpicky but if Blakes weapon is supposed to be made of metal why isn't she wearing any gloves? I once shoveled snow without gloves and my fingers started to lose color pretty quickly..
@@johannesseyfried7933 I'm not justifying the horrible or stupid design flaws, just pointing it out that aura still helps, after all, Weiss was stuck in the cold in nothing but her dress all last volume.
People who say that diversification of body isn't needed is equal as saying that ethnicity or sexual representation isn't needed. They are important factors, especially when we are similar to certain character and want to connect with them. Of course there are exceptions like Avatar, which focuses on Asians but at least they have sexual, skin tone and body type diversity
You know, after all these rwby videos and explaining you could honestly be a good storywriter for a show. You catch the small details and actually pay attention from the past to help with the writing and ideas for the future. Your arguments are so good and when you point out the flaws it actually makes sense and I feel like if the directors heard it they would definitely agree. If you were a storywriter for a show I’d honestly watch it. I’m not good at wording things but yeah XD
For Weiss’ new outfit I always complained about the same thing and I’m really happy you made that color swapped visual. It is exactly what I would’ve done to her outfit. Although I would’ve made the dark blue skirt red but that’s besides the point. I still love it a lot and wished they went with that color pattern.
Great video as always. I really like how you pointed out how bland and generic team FNKI's other two members look, because nobody else seems to acknowledge how bad they look. They look like they belong in another series. There's nothing visually striking about them, which made it difficult because team FNKI design was all about having a musical motif, and I can't for the life of me figure out what's their deal.
They're the "what color is this dress" meme (the whole team is memes with Neon being Nyan Cat and Flynt being an inside joke with Achievement Hunter's "Flynt Coal" gag).
@@BasicXrazor Ivory and Kobalt are the "what color is this dress" meme. You know, the "I see white and gold" or "I see black and blue" (hence the two's color pallet). I also already said that in the first sentence of my first reply to you.
I still like Ruby's first costume the best. It's simple and nice to look at(and looks like it could actually function fairly well in Atlas). All the changed ones keeps adding stuff that distracts from the overall feel the more you look at it.
that and the new ones make them a pain in the ass to cosplay, you know how many stupid belts and zippers you'd now have to sew for the new outfits, the new outfits are so much more expensive to make now and time consuming. that and the amount of gold trim I'd have to use.
@@watyhu99 I wouldn't know about that. I am just looking at it from an outside perspective. But yeah, it sounds annoying to have to incorporate all of that. Also, why does so many fantasy costumes make use of so many zippers and belts? It doesn't make sense!
@@ocadioan If it was like a final fantasy thing, I usually give it a pass, but my god the amount of dumb belts and zippers are annoying, unless they somehow incorporate a function into it, like belts being used to apply pressure on a body part.
stop reminding me that i need to do my Weiss redesign after i promised it months ago- Edit: Also would like to mention i might torture myself and after i do the initial redesigns of RWBY i might actually do it again but this time taking into mind what would Altas or Mantle people wear and oh god ;w;
The fact that they didnt make those Useless belt buckles on wrist, her iconic black ribbons is heresey to me. I mean her og outfit had the ribbons not just for aesthetic reasons but for functionality, her fighting styles with Gambol Shroud uses those ribbons many times in fights. Her Alternate Outfit Intruder has them as well. And the reason Her Vol 4 Outfit doesnt is probably because she wasnt going home anticipating to fight. But with them in Atlas/Mantle dawning new outfits it makes sense to bring back the ribbons ALSO THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE HER OUTFIT LOOK FRENCH AGAIN!!
I'm glad someone finally put this into words... I'll admit, it's been a while since I've watched the show, fell off around volume five because it just... It didn't really feel like I was watching RWBY anymore, and not in a good way. Like, since Monty died, it's just kinda lost its identity. Watching it feels a lot more bitter than sweet, and stuff like losing focus of the character designs with their colours being lost and their sillhoutes lost just makes it visibly noticeable. It's a shame, but I'm glad at least with this video I can understand the problems a bit better... Since I'm planning on going into games design, hopefully I can at least learn from this.
I'm not crazy on anyone's new design. The concept art looks great, but it always looks great until the 3D models come around. It kinda annoyed me why he got a new hair cut. He just held the fabric meant to remember Pyrrha. "Hey guys, remember Arkos? This is relevant somehow!"
@@KevSB07 You're definitely right, Though I'm still not sure about Qrow's outfit but maybe I just need more time for it to grow on me. But the others tho-- yikes. The edits are really better imo at least.
@@me_gongaga2 Personally I'm sad for Weiss's design. I really loved her past few designs. They probably weren't the best, but they looked the best to me, personally. This is just the worst for one who's supposed to be best girl. She lost all her elegance and contradicted her character arc at the same time, and I just wish we could go back to V2C4 outfit for her.
I’m going to copy and paste another comment I wrote: The tail of his shirt isn’t long anymore, it doesn’t look like a crow nor a scarecrow; in fact, both sides of his top should be longer and pointy instead of straight; there are way too much lines and colours, it’s overwhelming and they don’t even look good together; I like how his sleeves have that little design, but it’s not even the same one there is on his weapon, like what the hell; talking about the sleeves, their shape is just weird- they look like they would be on a normal shirt while the rest of his outfit looks more like a suit; his cape doesn’t stand out anymore- it’s the only red element in an outfit that already has way too much colours; why are there so many crosses- before, there was only one and it was sideways, accentuating his messy look, now they’re just weird; what’s with the pirate look? Anyway.
When I look at the belts and zippers on these characters I’m reminded of Blazblue cross tag battle It’s as though they were trying to pay Archsystem works back, for put their characters in BBTAG by making every design look like it was ripped straight out of the Guilty Gear or Blazblue universes
Weiss got her scar in the WHITE trailer... not in the show.
Yes, but I'm referring to how no one ever talks about it in the show.
There's a good number of comments like this, I'm starting to think I should have worded myself differently to make that more clear
I thought canonically it was something to do with the Faunus considering her previous prejudice?
I never really took the trailers except for YELLOW & BLACK as canon so I could be wrong.
@@QuestionableLogic_ Nope, nothing to do with the Faunus. Big sword-armor-guy hit her, that's it.
@@twiinsiink My fiance and I were re-watching the series for the volume 7 finale, and we were wondering about that as well. When I looked into it I found that apparently it is addressed in either a manga or a comic book. I have not read it yet, but it sounded like they fleshed that plot thread out pretty well.
@@JohnAWoods-ui3gp Someone worded it better than I'm about to attempt right now, but i somewhat resent that this additional context is left out of the show because the show is what's considered canon. Additional materials some people may not know of or have interest in getting due to medium make it less official and less canon to a lot of people since if anything, it's only supplemental. I wish they acknowledged it in the show at some point, even if it's something like Ruby saying it was cool at the beginning before they knew each other and she was horrible at conversing (in fact, I feel like she might have?).
Weiss's entire design looks too heavy, she's always looked like she's dancing elegantly whenever she battles so her outfits were always on the lighter side, now it looks like she might trip on something.
That’s why I don’t like it!! I was wondering about that
Yeah, I sort of wish she went away from the whole princess look to show her leaving her family entirely and going down her own path now. Maybe a more elegant and light sophisticated look or something would be better. But over all, it feels like the production team just sort of forgot the personality/backstory of the characters when making their outfits
This is exactly the way I saw it! Her new outfit does not coincide with her fighting style at all.
Yeah, like I wish they based her dress off dancers. Perhaps something a woman would typically wear for Salsa or Tango. Give that evolution while keeping the hint sophistication to her designs. Add a coat for warmth and maybe make the outfit a little lighter as she would be more used to the weather in Atlas, especially in comparison to Blake who is from a tropical island.
I thought the same thing too. By the way why add blue to her look and not more white that ever? They could have put the red somewhere where we can see it just like they did back in V1-3? I mean come on 😒
Yang’s hair went from yellow to dull blonde.
Ruby’s eyes are even barely grey. Only the bottom half is grey is rest is black.
lol. "heir: one who receives property from an ancestor."
OMG yes and the fire.comimg from her hair looks odd
kevin thanks
Random Stuff Yeah Ruby’s eyes look less “silver” and more “grey” which is a bit of a problem when you have characters like Mercury Black stand next to her.
*Isn't Ruby's eyes are supposed to be Silv-*
Nora looks like she belongs into Kingdom Hearts II , especially because the hearts in the white part reminds of the nobody symbol
Ha yes
I can definitely see that now that you mention it.
@Games Oops I don't play kingdom hearts, so I wouldn't know
@Games Honestly, all you guys saying Nora looks like Kairi aren't wrong tho. I wish I'd though of her for the comparison
OH MY GOD SHE DOES
Oh my god, that rendition of Weiss' new outfit you did with white being the primary instead of blue is just amazing. I had to pause the video and just stare at it for a minute, it looks so much better than the version we actually got.
Edit: Just saw Blake's edit and I got to say, as someone who has grown to dislike her character since Volume 4-5, having her in all black like that would have made me like her a lot more.
That's so nice, thank you!
I did that as well. It was immediately eye catching and color allocation made it very pleasant to look at.
yeah, and it feels like a development from her previous outfits.
I literally paused it too!! It looks so much better!!
Agreed. Also including the Yang edit . For most of the new outfits I knew there was something wrong to me but couldn't pinpoint it. Your edits made it a lot more clear that the main issues were color emphasis. I always disliked Weiss's new hair purely because it looked blocky. I feel like she would benefit from a haircut more than Blake, especially if they're typing to keep her outfits so large (so you can't really see the hair anyway).
Ah yes, more zippers is more better
Don't forget about the belts
I'm conviced someone at Rooster Teeth worked on Kingdom Hearts.
Buzz Lightyear: Zips, zips everywhere
did someone from danganronpa went to ruby lol
I mean I like unnecessary zippers but they have to many
Blake's sleeves are unzipped and she held them together with belts. That one thing about her outfit has been driving me insane for months. Thank you so much for bring it up
The giant metal zippers must be cold on her bare arms 😬
@@Supernova-gq8uf it must be pretty heavy too
We can only wonder why the hell anyone in charge of character design would think it would make any sense. It can't even use the excuse of the rule of cool like a bunch of other anime because it's too stupid.
I feel u
Wearing that would've been hella uncomfortable
I will never get used to Jaune's banana hair.
I just try to mentally get over it by associating it with My Hero Academia's Mirio Togata's haircut.
@@ajiththomas2465 I don't watch My Hero Academia
Do you see banana man
@@madnightguard6296
Just search up Mirio Togata and you'll see what I'm visually referring to.
@@ajiththomas2465 but the emotional connotation isn't there?
Also ... isnt Weiss' braid too ... thick for the amount of hair she got?
Also : Yeeeeeah. I really wonder why Jaune is the only one the creators seemed to have put any thoughts in.
To be fair, compared to everyone else's design, Jaune's V7 design is the one that changed the least from V6. If you take a side by side comparison of his V6 and V7 character designs, you can really see that his V7 character design is more of a streamlined and more fitting to his body. His breastplate has gotten bigger so that it covers his whole torso and looks more like an armored vest. His hoodie is also less pronounced as well. All in all, Jaune's V7 design gives off the feeling of a being a more streamlined, mature, minimalist redesign of his V6 character design.
LOL, yes! it looks like Weiss has several *pounds* of hair for how thick that braid is! Even taking in with how her ponytail was longer in the previous volumes, she didn't have that much hair for the size and thickness of the braid she's sporting now. I'm constantly wondering how the weight doesn't bother her.
@@Slayer398
Plus, it's pretty obvious that V7 Weiss looks like a discount Saber Altria.
@@ajiththomas2465 LOL, I never thought of that comparison! True! :D
Because Juane is the managers character... look at v5 where he self-inserted himself as the main character.
Weiss' hair kinda looks like plastic now, since she lost all the splits in her hair.
Also her hair looks like lost its vibrance in the later volumes, like in the first volume it practically glowed but now in most settings it looks like a light purply blue color instead of white, but that might just might be the lighting and art style change. To some degree her hair look like it was artificaly given volume not very well I might add but to some what add to what I was saying about her hair looking like plastic, there's no details at all it's just a blob sitting on her head and the artifical volume comes from all the bulbing and circle tool using for the character modelling for her and especially the braid, really cut that thing off and suddenly she could be blake or any character with short hair and a long coat? dress?. You wouldn't even know because how undistinct she would look, even with the braid you wouldn't be able to tell a lot from her silhouette.
Same.
Awesome comment.
Like Celtic Phoenix said: “It looks like she went to prison, got a prison haircut, got out, and now she’s wearing a wig to hide it”
The thing I hate most is penny's hair. They literally just clipped longer hair onto her previous model and called it a day. You can literally see where they split
I get the change, but it wouldn’t be terrible if they kept her same hair because she’s a robot and her hair doesn’t grow??
@@HanboSlimofficalit's a new body
Honestly, Blake should've gotten the braid, and Weiss gotten the hair-cut.
If I were to design these two for V7 and out, I'd given Blake a long braid going down the back. When she's doing flips and fights, the braid would add some "Tail" addition to her silhouette. This, in my opionion, would give her more of a cat-like figure... cuz you know, Cat-faunus. It's also more practical than long loose hanging hair like she had from V1-V6, and the new haircut doesn't really improve upon that.
As for Weiss, she should've been the one to cut her hair sort of like a rebellious act against her family. She also shouldn't have this royal look to her, like you pointed out, because she was supposed to strive to be different than her family name. Thus, a short/semi-short haircut would fit her more rebellious attitude.
Other than that, I agree with basically everything in this video.
Overall, i think RT and the designers screwed up here. Its also annoying how all the colours are all wrong up.
exactly that’s what i added to my redesign of wiess and blake
Now that you pointed it out, the top of Weiss's ponytail looks like a blob that should give her constant neck pains.
I just wish the outfits fit the cold much better, like they talk about how cold it is, but barely mention how cold it is in the show despite their outfits not doing much for warmth. They had the chance to adjust it to the climate while also making the outfits unique to each character, though they pretty much dropped the ball in my opinion.
Also Weiss just looks heavy, which contradicts with her elegant ballerina fighting style. Her outfit should look more graceful. How can she even fight in all of that? It’s just making her look stiff. I think RT is taking “Ice Queen” too seriously. Weiss is a fighter so she should be wearing something that makes her look like one, not something that makes her look like she’s going to a royal ball.
I just wish they stuck to the white colour scheme her V1-3 outfit had. Not only is it synonymous with the character, but they could’ve made a funny running gag about how hard it would be to distinguish Weiss from the snow.
Honestly I was SO hyped for Weiss's new look to have fluffy trim and poofs on a skirt like a santa hat. Or at least for Snow Pea to come back in a more wintery style.
I always felt she had a figure skater sorta vibe going on. Fast, elegant, and fabulous as hell
@@EtamirTheDemiDeer She's an Australian Figure Skater, now.
Cheetahgirl Studios Where’s Weiss instead of Where’s Waldo
You did a really good job explaining character design. Often we can look at designs and dislike them but not be entirely sure why. Using the stuff you discussed helps us understand why we dislike some things and how it can be improved in various ways. Overall, very helpful. Your regular use of examples really tied it all together. Good work. 👍🏻
Thank you!
Will Johnson only yang was all that bad but Blake’s hair cut was a bad decision her outfit is fine
@@insertclevernamehere6607 I think that doesn't truly suit a ninja though. The usage of high heels, long kingdom hearts zippers and the white are surely going to be a problem for any kind of spy/ninja related character.
The only thing I hated about Yang’s redesign was her exposed Thigh, don’t get me wrong I like a girl in thigh highs buuut she’s traveling in a snowy area. Her right thigh must be cold AF
It doesn't help that it looks so deliberately done. Like, she just chose to keep that one revealed for no reason?
"Maybe if I look like that one girl who was with mom then she'll notice me!"
@@angelique2056 It's still an actual job to design the characters.
@@angelique2056 Did you miss all the parts where I talked about what I liked with the new looks?
Or did you just ignore those?
@@angelique2056 I liked these outfits more than volume 4-6? We agree?????!!??!!
This show is no longer called RWBY. It is now RBWB.
Red
Blue
White
Brown
Isnt Rwby is also by their names?
This, and the fact they changed the colored silhouettes in the opening, are what really annoy me.
It's the name and concept for the ENTIRE SHOW. If they're so willing to change that, what else will they do to Monty's original vision?
Christoper Putt they didn’t really nerf the ace ops, the ace ops treated each other just as coworkers and not friends, this lead to them not considering each other’s perspectives and motives while fighting. Harriet and Elm’s emotions were high causing them to loose their professionalism and get sloppy. Contrasting my team RWBY worked to split up the ace ops leaving them in really bad parings. Weiss’ summoning overwhelming Marrows semblance. Blake and Yang took Vine by surprise. Elm was ready to blow herself who knows without being able to grip onto the terrain though yangs newfound attention to detail allowed her to to knock elm off her balance (an occurrence she more than likely finds rare and hard to deal with) to deal the final blow. Harriet fell victim to the same unlearned lesson of the tale she’s based off of. In the end she relied on out speeding rwby only for Weiss to catch her off guard.
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@@daphmoon this is exactly what the little voice in my head said. Now I'm just losing my breath of laughter.
Meanwhile, back on the "Blake's redesigns are worse than Cinder Show"
But for real, this got me interested in character design. I hadn't really noticed before, but most of these designs make me want to vomit on an instinctual level, just because they've got SO MUCH going on. There's tons of everything on everyone's outfit, and when I started thinking about that as I watched the video, I almost cried looking at Jaune. The boy is just upgrading steadily, not throwing belts and zippers all over the place. I didn't really appreciate how simple his design is until now. Seeing Ren made me want to vomit. And I was even thinking about how you mentioned they were supposed to be easy to cosplay, which made me realize that these outfits are mostly insane. I can't see anybody wearing a lot of this stuff in a real world setting! It makes me think about the Volume 1-3 designs, with how simple and concise they were. These guys look like they went to Narnia, but instead of a magical wardrobe, it was a really aggressive one that forced them to model as much clothing at once as possible. This isn't a big issue for me, since character design isn't my main reason for liking RWBY, but it is something I'd be happy if they dealt with.
John Seymore Blake shouldn’t have cut her hair I was fine with the V4 outfit it was out of place but it looked fine plays swapping the black and the white on it would be ugly as sin
I really do agree on this. While I've never really done that much of a characters design, I see now how's it's really important. In all honesty I was really disappointed in both Blake and Weiss's design overall. They added more blue and grey than white and even changed her hair that looks more like a whip and that's just sad. They also could have put the red somewhere else on the dress to where we can see it most of the time but no they didn't. Now for Blake...not a fan with the short hair at all and it looks really...unattractive to me. I would have preferred her original hair design better than now and why add more white than black? It just makes me upset about it is all, but they do represent their "OWN" color just like back in V1-3 but now she's starting to look like a background character just like the rest of her team and Jaune's team.
Even after the volume, I still don’t like Jaune’s hair, it just reminds me too much of anime bully hair, like something you would see on team CRDL. To me it just contrasts his personality too much.
I'm still not the biggest fan of V7 Jaime's hair. Kind of wish he stuck with his old haircut but maybe just had a different hairstyle to go with it. But I've grown a tad bit used to his new haircut, namely because it reminds me of My Hero Academia's Mirio Togata's haircut.
The fact that fan artists have takes to drawing Jaune with the new hairstyle is beyond disappointing
True, I wanted him to just go full viking and start wolf tailing it.
@@justanotherchannelonyoutub126
To be fair, Jaune's old hair style has been the same for 6 whole Volumes. His new haircut just came out the past Volume. Obviously you're not going to get a deluge of Jaune fanart with his new hair style. It takes time. Do you get what I mean?
the bandit man I know they teased a warrior wolf, and after seeing fan made concepts I want it.
I personally disliked Weiss' outfit. It was so exaggerated.
That's not even the worse part, the concept art for her (Blake and Yang included) looks much better than 3D model... HOW DO YOU EVEN DO THAT!?
@@presidentdeadpool3198 I agree. I'm not a critique kind of girl so I wrote the first thing that came to my mind. Weiss looked hilarious the whole volume.
@@presidentdeadpool3198 to be fair, sometimes 2D drawings just don't translate well into 3D.
I'm... Not sure how anyone could design that ridiculous amount of hair and expect it to work on a 3 dimensional model.
Weiss looks like Winters mom. At least, she looks older than Winter now.
@@jackbishop8610 Weiss looks like Winters Mom...who is also Weiss's Mom.
Conclusion: Weiss used Mercury Black's Time travel Semblance to become her own Mother!
Which also means she...."made love" to Jacques. Eww!
But you have to make Sacrifices if you want to actually be born.
What bothers me the most about the models is how the arms look insanely skinny compared to their torsos. The length between the armpits and the shoulders is incredibly short! It looks insanely unnatural
I know right! ALL of the characters have these really noodly arms!
Oh shit, I've never seen someone game enough to mention skin tone when talking about character design. It seems like its very taboo to acknowledge its a color/tone like any other and plays into a design.
I've been thinking of a video for a while now on the idea that we as a society might just suck at designing black characters cause we simply havn't done it as much or for as long. I've been thinking when people say a black character feels forced just for being black what they really mean is that the design looks bad on account of them being a black character drawn like they're white.
I've also noticed that appart from movies where a pre-established character's skin color is changed, the complaint doesn't appear in live-action. It only appears in animation.
Which has lead me to believe black characters in animation often don't have any contrast in their skin because we don't use skin highlights for effecient animation. So black characters often have no constrasts of tone in their design, they just kinda look like a single dark tone with nothing breaking it up.
BUT on the flip side, white characters DO have contrast even though most animation doesn't utalise shadows, but thats because in animation, every single character in animation is already outlined in black, which contrasts the skin tone.
I'd be curious to know what you think of this, i'm very new to visual design and color theory and that video is going to cover a rather delicate topic, so i'm trying to expose this idea to people who might know better before I start scripting.
I'm struggling to think of "sucky" black designs? Static Shock, Garnet (from steven universe), Fat Albert, Penny Pride (and really the whole pride family), Numba 5 from Code name kids next door, Cyborg from teen titans. They've all got really cool styles, use of color and are really iconic.
I'm not researched enough on the discourse on changing skin tones to comment on the frequency of it.
On the topic of contrast, I see where you're coming from but I can't think of an example where a black character sort of "gets lost" in the contrast or lack there of. Though, that could definitely be an issue with the bold-outline look of many cartoons. Luckily, unique styles of animation help alleviate that problem (animation like the tangled cartoon is a good example of not having to worry about that black out line).
Did you have any specific examples in mind around this topic?
@@twiinsiink Oh yeah examples. So all the examples you listed there with the exception of fat albert and the dad in the proud family I agree are good designs, but all of them incorporate bright tones. Static shock has the yellow bow and both him and Garnet have white visors,(Also garnets skin is more maroon so i don't know how that changes things), cyborg has bright blue highlights and light grey metal on his chin and cheek, Numba 5 has a bright big red hat and gold ear rings. And the Proud family either has really light skin to begin with (most characters in Boondocks are like that aswell) and/or light toned lipstick like Penny, white hair and red glass like grandma, or bright lines through the hair like the mother or the baby. (Esmeralda also uses the hair line technique who i'm a fan of)
Examples I think look... like i'm not going to say sucky but... dramatically less striking are Craig of the Creek's MC who had some people claiming forced divirsity and I personally think is a good example cause all his family look fine with the incoporation of things like glasses, bandana's, light grey hairlines, earrings or lipstick or just a lot lighter skin with the little sister, who DOES have a scrunchy tbh. Its just the MC who lacks that kind of thing. /watch?v=MvQgdjCU6hE (I'm also not sure how much hairlines help to break up tones even if they're not bright, I don't seem to mind Kilik from Soul eater for this reason)
I think its probably alot easier to notice by comparison, like, who's your least favourite Proud Family design? or, between Harriet, Elm and Marrow, which is your favourite design?
Cause to me Harriet just seems to pop alot more with her bright hair and eyebrows.
Oh also Chase from Genlock is one that felt really jarring to me, he has the tiniest amount of blue thats only visible on one side of his face and thats all. Also, minor characters in rooster teeth shows like rwby have nothing added to their design to replace the natural highlights of black skin and just look so flat to me.
Are there any black characters in the Tangled cartoon to look at to see if it looks better? Cause my point was that the black outline adds contrast to white characters and does nothing for black characters. So taking the outline away wouldn't really do anything to fix the problem in my mind.
I dunno, I think you might be getting lost in the details? Bright colors are used in lots of character designs, especially cartoons (take a look at the rainbow that it Ed, Edd and Eddy's cast). I don't think one HAS to vibrant accents to help their features become clear- but rather than vibrant accents are helpful overall in character design. Numba 5's red hat and earnings are functionally no different than numba 2's pilot cap and yellow goggles. The only thing one has to keep in mind is color theory. Don't give your character an accessory or shirt that's the same color as their skin (which we can see how that also applies to white characters with Ruby's cream shirt last volume).
I think Craig's problem is that he has a very boring design. I don't watch this show, but looking at the 3 leads... he just has a very boringly safe design. The other boy's large sleeves and long face, the girl's big eye brows and and cape. They have more interesting elements on them. Craig looks like they were probably afraid to take and chances for fear of making him look accidentally racist and so made him a default, nice boy. Which I get going with that decision, but it does lead to a bland and unforgettable main character.
My favorite Proud family design is the grandma, just a real nice use of silhouette for her. And between Harriet, Elm, and Marrow, I like Marrow the best. His scruffy hair helps sell the "puppy" vibe and the way they designed his uniform shows us how up-tight he's trying to be (since he's the newest member of the team, gotta be professional). Though Harriet's eyes, unique hair, and emphasized thighs does help her stand out a bit from her team. I totally understand why she's your favorite!
They do lack a natural highlight, so I see why they look more flat to you. Though, with the ump to Maya I think the whole show got more flat looking. Perhaps with time they can figure out how to get soft highlights in the show!
I don't watch the Tangled cartoon, i've just seen a few clips from it, sorry.
I think this all sorta boils down to- people need to keep color theory in mind. You can't design a black character the same way you design a white character because their base colors are so different (I mean, even the minor difference in skin tone between Ruby's concept art and model made a huge impact on the design). Just like how "yellow isn't my color" in real life, that applies to illustrated characters too.
It's not necessarily a need for bright tones, but rather contrast- which is important for all character design. (I think Boondocks is a good example of this).
And, I guess to round this all out, I don't know if you've seen it but there's an anime that I think was produced by Jaden Smith (Will Smith's son). It's called Neo Yokio. And I recommend giving it a look for your continued studies into designing black characters!
@@twiinsiink Well thats what i'm saying, i'm not saying black characters need bright tones or accessories inherently. I'm saying all characters need contrast in their design. Its just a character outline gives inate contrast to white characters since the outline is black.
Like if you had a head shot of just Weiss face, a character with white skin, white hair and basically nothing but bright tones, and then you removed all the outlines, her face would look like a giant white smudge, it would look terrible.
I'm looking through the list of tangled adventure character and you can't find a single character who's designed like that because they don't have outlines. The closest you get is repunzal herself but she has dark hairlines, dark red lipstick and she has waaay thicker lines around her eyes, she even has slightly darker skin and a dark red to her nose, these are all the opposite in tone additions to what i've been saying about black characters.
She looks totally different to her design in the movie, which makes sense cause the movie is a high budget 3d model CGI movie with a lighting engine that will add an appropriate amount of shadow to her face to give her contrast to her design as it has nothing but light tones.
@@Uniquenameosaurus Sorry, I may have misunderstood you at some point. You started out talking about character designs, but the big issue seems to be instead the use of black outlines?
I hope I haven't come across as dismissive or something. I know my text can read kinda blunt sometimes, and I by no means have intended to put you down. I've just been trying to offer some suggestions on designing black characters
I agree with the description, Weiss's snow pea outfit in volume 2 is the best outfit. Simple, but it looks sooo good.
I also really like the black and white look of it
Those designs seemed to be about incorporating black and white into everybody's design. Ruby gets some gray on her (black and white mixed together), Blake has a bit more white added to her, Weiss swaps her pop of red for black accents, and Yang's yellow is made paler (adding white to her color) and she's given more black. By having all their temporary outfits have something in common this way, it kept everyone looking unified but still distinct.
I prefer Hunter, but Snowpea is close second.
That design was awesome.
@@WillJohnson321 everything about their alt. outfits in volume 2 was just *chefs kiss.
Seriously Blake should have just put on a ponytail or a bun. Yang looked so great with her ponytail and they use basically same models for hair so it would have been so easy. easy doesn't always mean uninspired or boring. When I first saw Blake wondering about her hair I hoped she would just tie it up.
That would have looked awesome!
I heard, that creators called her haircut "bisexual". So, I guess it's yet another attempt at pandering.
Sophiya from Russia wtf. I'm bi. Thats so stupid.
Sophiya from Russia ah the bi bob meme. Thing is, it’s just that. A meme. Tf do they think they’re doing?
@@user-lj8js5vj4g @Wima V. @AMiRiTE? @Sophiya from Russia
So, that sounds like horse shit. Do you have a credible source for that claim, or is it just hear-say?
Remember kids, you can't believe everything you read on the internet
17:23 I love that frame, because it puts the answer to "What do you mean the cast is too big?" perfectly.
i REALLY WISH they let weiss's hair down honestly, and i wanted yang's hair to be in a pony tail like in volume 4!
It would be very hard for Weiss to fight if she ever had her hair down.
Juice Box I mean Yang manages just fine
@@Saphirakii Don't be a smartass you know Weiss's hair is longer than that
@GABi / Shad_e_d That's what I was thinking
@GABi / Shad_e_d yes!!! a bun would be great!! she has this ballerina type of fighting, so her having a bun would actually make sense!
You know what I wonder? If they were gonna change Rens hair, why didn’t they just put it in a high ponytail? They had this whole arc were they had to go back to his hometown and remembers his dad and shit why dident they make him look like the guy he looked up to, while also making him look mature? And why dident they keep the coat tails from volume four? Giving that thing sleeves would have made him look very warm. Also they could have left his hair down, it’s a cold climate and I don’t see Yang or Penny pulling up their hair anyways.
Holy balls I did not think this would even get one like sweet Jesus Kun-
lol
Finally! I finally found what my problem is with RWBY post-Volume 3! The characters outside of Teams RWBY and JNR don't give off the anime vibe I love so much. It didn't feel like I'm watching an actual American anime anymore, just an American cartoon trying to be anime-esque.
If I remember correctly, Monty (head writer) was the only one of the writers who actually watched anime. I believe there's records of him talking of giving Miles and Kerry (fellow writers) "anime homework" so they could better understand what he was going for with the show. When Monty passed away, the show moved to the two guys who watched western cartoons instead anime so that would explain the stylistic whiplash.
It use to be so charming and whimsical but season 1-3 and 4-7 are like completely different shows, iv completely lost interest and havnt even bothered watching season 7 😔
I got sad when you mentioned how Monty liked to keep the costumes simple to encourage cosplay. I know Monty gets brought up a lot and I don't want to sound like a broken record. And no offence to the people who have put so much time and effort into creating this show. But for me it just reinforces the feeling that when Monty died, the show lost its soul. The world lost its vibrancy and (literal) colour, the stylised, rhythmic, and dynamic fights, and even the casual interpersonal interactions that were at the heart of the team and kept it fun. Now the show goes on because it's profitable, and the merch and deals they can make with the rights are profitable as well. But it feels like it's just going through the motions. Especially when you lay the costume changes out like that, where they are so unconnected to any character development, the world at large, and without any consideration for other members of the group. RWBY feels like a merch factory and character design fashion runway now than anything else.
Specially when you consider that Monty would sit down with Ein Lee and talk about the designs. Kerry wrote a little article on the new outfits and most of what he said is that they are dressing for a cold weather which doesn't look like it tbh, and that Weiss is more of a caster now.
None of the new designs were written into the story itself, so they don't have any consideration for it. If RWBY was a book, mentioning how the characters changed their outfit would be pointless since it doesn't mean anything.
You can tell there’s no passion going into the show anymore.
ProxyDoug - Previously Douglas Rosa It seems a little insulting to Weiss that she’s now a caster. Weiss did a good job supporting the team and her own skills (her swordswomanship) with her Glyphs, and now they’re just throwing away Weiss’ entire character. Especially when she wanted to be like her sister, Winter, and that scene of them back in Vol. 3 when they were training together and showcasing more of Weiss’ character development. I remember that fight back in Volume 2 against Torchwick and with the whole team showcasing their skills and TEAMWORK. Weiss just isn’t the type to sit back and cast Glyphs like some DnD support character, we saw that time and time again she also jumps into action, because she has a rapier not a WAND. Everything about Weiss now threw away her entire character demo in the WHITE trailer, when she was able to defeat a giant by herself. Its disappointing to see them change their roles as they see fit based on how they incorrectly portray their own characters. To them they still think of Weiss as this hissy fit princess and they punish her by downgrading her as we go by Volumes. We especially see that in her new outfit. For someone with a elegant type of swordsmanship such as the rapier, which requires precision and speed, her two layers of dresses don’t make sense at all.
@@elzawa3413 It's interesting, they could have used the glyphs as part of her development since it's her family heritage, which she both denies and wants to take over. Todoroki had a sinilar arc in My Hero Academia and it worked so much better.
They could have used the embargo to make her endless dust supply shorter after she ran away, hell, she even gets rid of a whole shipment in V5, which would cause her to only rely on fencing and in order to save her friends (just an example), she would have to accept that part of herself and start using summons as part of her style.
She could have been so much more.
ProxyDoug - Previously Douglas Rosa It just seems like there’s a huge disconnect with the characters utilizing their semblances and their skills with their weapons. They treat their semblances like, “Hey, look at this cool thing I can do!” Rather than using them productively and effectively. They also treat their weapons like props rather than items that can literally destroy robots in one swing. Now with the shift of tone and genre with the entire show, all of the characters themes are just a mish mash of nonsense. I loved all of their demos, we saw that Ruby was capable of taking down a whole horde by herself since she has such a huge and dangerous weapon, Weiss is very precise and practical with her rapier, Blake is agile and effective with her blade(s) and ribbons, and Yang is brute and vicious with her shotgun gauntlets. Combining dust, gunfire, and their semblances with transformative weapons has always been the main spotlight of RWBY for years, and for me was one of the biggest reasons why I got into the show. The plot then drew me in as I found that it wasn’t just about kids with cool weapons. Its a show about fighting and yet they made it the most least important thing to them overtime.
Conceptually, I love Blake's new hair because, as you mentioned in the video, it looked wonderful in all of its depictions when drawn as opposed to when it was animated. Blake's original hair has a lot of volume in it, especially where that one curly bunch of hair that was on the left side of her head is... but when it was being modeled, it lost all of that volume and draped straight down when she has been known to have wavy hair at least.
also, I've always hated Jaune's designs (especially because I prefer spiky or sharper silhouettes/hate the classic long-haired shounen boy look), but he looks great now. His tighter pants and more sleek footwear gives his body a more muscular/heroic silhouette.
@@januarychild6764 I think she nailed it on the head with my issue with Jaune's hair. It should curl downwards like it always has. That's probably my only misgiving with him. Everything else is more or less perfect
Weiss' hair looks so freakin heavy. how does she fight with that. idk about y'all but i feel like weiss should've gotten the short hair haircut instead of Blake. i've seen a few fan art of it and it looks very good. now, i'm not saying she should have it because it looks nice, but just because her hair looks really heavy and seeing all the twirls and stuff she does, i can see it smacking her face a lot. and long hair is very common amongst royals or people with high power. her having short hair will clearly represent Weiss' devotion to being a huntress.
as for blake, she is sort of a ninja so i can see her bang's getting in the way and blocking her vision a lot, like with jaune. she should keep her hair down, but pull the sides of her hair back with a clip or band so that her hairstyle still changes, but it isn't such a drastic change and it's more realistic. it also fits blake's character a bit. the short bob hairstyle Blake has, especially with the bangs, is more of a pure, innocent look. it seems bright, yet dulled down. that's why it fits people like ruby and penny. considering blake's sort of distant, cold character, it just doesn't match her. so yeah. but feel free to like whatever you want to like :)
I had never noticed how much detail Weiss' hair lost. On that note, a friend of mine pointed out that Blake's hair doesn't have enough definition and Jaune's has too much.
On both Weiss and Jaune, I hate how their outfits makes it look like they have their shoulders down on a more neutral pose. Doesn't help that Weiss' gloves are so dark that it makes it harder to see when they are close together and in front of her torso and Jaune's shoulder pads literally point down (as well as just being glued to his shirt).
Jaune's pants look great since they seem to have been taken straight from the military. Maybe it would've been nice to have them wear uniforms for a while and when they rebelled against Ironwood, they could incorporate their original designs on top of the military getup. Which is something that they don't do anymore, characters don't change outfits and hair styles mid volume, they did for the Atlas dormitory and that was it.
Lastly, I'm still baffled by the fact Blake's outfit is just one catsuit that starts on her shoes and goes to her neck. I've seen the concept art many times and I still don't know how she get's into it.
Edit:
Another thing that contributes into making Nora's design looks so out of place, is that she always used to wear two distinct pieces that separated her bottom half to her top half and it felt genuine. Now it's more of a suit, the type you can't make on a character creator.
ProxyDoug - Previously Douglas Rosa Jaune’s hair looks like a bunch of bananas attached to his scalp. Too much definition is exactly it
ProxyDoug - Previously Douglas Rosa Blake’s hair cut was plain ugly everyone was like omg Blake cut her hair it looks so good in the V7 artwork but I was the only one that noticed it was ugly in the beginning
Yes for the love of God stop using so much white in Blake's color palette
Eh I still don't like jaunes hair but I can agree that they are doing the best job with him because I dislike almost everyone else's changes as well
Thank you for always voicing my opinions perfectly and professionally without ever even knowing me
We must be connected spiritually! (or something like that)
Again, you talked about this, but RWBY's colour scheme was amazing. It just felt like it was another aspect of the show that was necessary. Everything's a gun and everyone has explosive colour. But when we learned in Volume 2 that the whole war on art and colour spawned the rebellion of NAMING YOUR CHILDREN AFTER COLOUR? Like, I don't know if it's just me but that felt poetic.
To acknowledge a past of war and hatred and take away the beauty of what it stood for, and focus on it. Every colour named character was influence by something of a movement. And that history made me love the colours of RWBY more. And then it just... became fashion weekly? Belts here, zippers there, and basic solid colours everywhere. They weren't RWBY but more so... rwby. They felt like trend setters more than children embracing the passion and history of what their name symbolized. It just felt different.
I wonder if they're hiding good character designers underneath all those zippers
That'd imply effort.
When I look at the belts and zippers on these characters I’m reminded of Blazblue cross tag battle
It’s as though they were trying to pay Archsystem works back, for put their characters in BBTAG by making every design look like it was ripped straight out of the Guilty Gear or Blazblue universes
Filip you know Monty hasn’t been working on the show since volume 3 and Miles and Kerry don’t give a shit about what he left behind
@@odaphii When Monty was alive, there were nowhere near as many belts, after he died, there have been a _shocking_ increase in beltage, so I _very_ _much_ doubt that Monty had exactly planned to give the characters copious amounts of them. Also, Final Fantasy has a _lot_ more than just characters, there are animation, world building, backgrounds, general plotline, etc., so just because it's an inspiration for the _show,_ that doesn't mean that it inspired the character design.
@@odaphii Wait, _he_ does the character design for RWBY?
We... we could’ve had PONYTAIL UNDERCUT JAUNE??? WHA- WE WERE ROBBED!!!! I HATE IT HERE 😭😭😭😤😤
Honestly, I think Penny got the best new design, she looks really pretty while Blake, Weiss and Jaune look really ugly lmao
Penny has that robo-angel asthetic going on and it works so well visually AND thematically.
Yeah, Penny looks awesome. I love the longer Hair. 😊
Something has been bothering me about Weiss’ outfit from Volume 4. In the concept art and in Volume 4, it looks gorgeous. The blue on top and white on bottom is a nice inverse of her previous design. The blues and whites are vibrant and stand out, making her look really great... and then in Volume 5 they wash out the colours by sticking her in boring, yellowish lighting and it comes out as grey. I think it’s the reason you said her outfit was grey. Blue doesn’t do well in yellow lighting. Just wanted to point that out.
On the topic of Weiss’ new design. One massive problem with it is the colours are way too vivid. Her jacket looks like somebody painted it. The colours are flat and boring. Putting her in softer colours, like the softer blues fading into the white, would be so much better than this random collection of primary school blues.
Pretty sure they _did_ get their blues from a primary school color table.
I feel like Weiss and Blake should have swapped hairstyles, in a sense. Weiss wearing her hair down to signify she's not letting her past and heritage control her. Blake tying her hair up to show she's getting serious.
Also, Yang probably should have been the one to cut her hair. Go for the future Trunks look.
Something that really annoys me about Blake and Ruby's hair is that Blake's looks more like dark gray and Ruby's is so black they can't even shade it. V1 had both of their hair look this black, so Ruby's red highlights stood out as red next to Blake. Now though, Ruby's hair looks more like the black one than Blake, even though her red is clearer this volume than the previous ones, the black portion of her hair "out-blacks" the so-called black character
Another thing I don't like is the ace ops character designs. They look too much like a matching set, they don't stand out as their own person. All of them have either black or brown hair, and their outfit colors are all exactly the same. I can't get a sense of what's supposed to be their distinct color. The only hint we're given is their eyes, which are so generic looking (aside from Harriet) that we don't really pay much attention. Apparently Vine's aura is light blue ??? Even his semblance doesn't convey that. I get that these are military uniforms and they're not meant to be that different (even though they all have very different and unique designs only keeping the same color palette) but at least have them look less genetic than just brown hair
Yeah, I wish Blake's hair was darker too. If they can have it one Cinder, why not put it on Blake?
Hairs on the show don't have highlights because it's harder to keep them in the proper place in 3D, but the characters would benefit a lot from it.
I actually super dislike the ace ops uniforms as well. Speaking of colour I've hated the addition of red accents all over the place as a part of the Atlesian colour palette. Red was never a primary colour of Atlas, and this ties into the original world building where Atlas is one of the kingdoms stressing conformity and historical suppression of "loud" emotion. This is what made Atlesian characters like Weiss and Neon stand out, precisely because they both rebel against the existing power structure to varying degrees, and both have colours which diverge from Atlas (in addition to Weiss's side ponytail and Neon's...everything).
Now Ironwood and AceOps both have bright red awkwardly all over the place, and it clashes so much with Atlas' previously toned down style. Though I do have to say Ciel's palette also was relatively brighter as well.
@@PolarisVu While I like the pop of color the red adds, it does have the unfortunate side effect of it being a whole city of people dressed like Weiss. I think making the red of their uniforms a gold (like how Ciel had in her design) would have a better choice for keeping Weiss looking distinct.
Here’s the thing about new outfits: more often than not, in my opinion, they’re used to either tell the viewer what the characters are doing, or signifies the passage of time, and volume 7s design don’t do either. For one, none of their outfits look like they belong in Atlas, being that it’s a kingdom of cold (logically Blake should’ve kept her hair long) and since there was no significant passage of time between volumes 6 or 7, there’s no reason for their new designs.
the only reason Blake got that haircut, was so that they could symbolise her "Bi"-cut. because you know, every Bi girl in media has to have the bob...
@@frogradar its also common for people to cut their hair after going through a major change in life. she just got rid of adam so that could be it, or she mightve just. wanted short hair.
@@catboy7395 Yeah but that's not told to us in story. We don't see her have a flashback, or maybe her hand trembles as she touches her hair, or something in her expression shifts as she stares at her reflection. She just touches her hair casually like "huh, might need a trim"
Hell, maybe the fight with Adam fucked up part of her hair, giving her a reason to cut it.
I think Ruby's outfit makes sense because she is 17 now (right?), and it makes her look a lot more mature and grown up
Someone told me Weiss V7 design makes her look like a Fate/Stay spin-off character. I haven’t been able to get that out of my mind ever since.
It looks like one of the alternate outfits for Artoria in Extella
One thing I don't get is that with Blake's recent designs if they must have one of her colours stand out more on the outfit instead of black, why do they always choose white but not purple? I think that change would work better in my opinion because:
1) It means that she isn't wearing just as much or more white than Weiss is, which makes sense as Weiss is supposed to represent the colour white, not Blake.
2) Characters from other franchises with black and purple as predominant colours in their designs can look good. In Transformers for example, we have Skywarp and the Insecticons from Transformers G1, Blackarachnia from Transformers Animated, Airachnid from Transformers Prime and Barricade from Transformers War for Cybertron (both the upcoming Netflix series and the figure released in 2019's siege toyline).
3) It would help in the snow as, with real life mountain climbers, the purple and black makes Blake easy to find in the snow, so if she ever got lost, the others could easily find her. The colour scheme could also help whenever she needs to use stealth as it's utilizing two very dark colours meaning she can blend into shadowy areas.
4) The purple in Blake's outfit would nicely contrast with the yellow in Yang's outfit and because the two were joined by the hip in this Volume, it would make sense to do this as it means their designs fit well together when they're both on screen.
Well said!
Twiins iink thanks for the reply :)
But yeah, I do find it strange that of the two extra colours present in Blake’s outfit, they mainly use the colour that one of her teammates already uses and considering the examples of characters that have great black and purple colour schemes that I listed, I find it odd that a lot of the time purple is no where near as noticeable in her recent outfits as white.
Watch in volume 9 all the characters have so many belts and zippers that they look like they bought them from hot topic or something
Nah, they just have to go and steal the outfits of kingdom hearts II characters, now that they changed their look for kingdom hearts III, their old clothes are free.
Nora can take Kairi's outfit, she is halfway there anyway.
Blake can have Aqua's outfit.
Weiss will take Donald's.
Oscar would probably get Goofy's.
Jaune take Riku's and the rest can fight for whatever is left.
i guess the designers have been playing a lot of kingdom hearts lately
I remember once I saw the designs, it felt really strange. Like seriously strange. For me it felt like the new outfits were for a grown up team RWBY. I said this on Fatmanfalling's video too but I just gotta repeat it here. Team RWBY's designs look like they are for older girls. Like the girls graduated from school and they have grown up into adults and separated, become their own thing. I'm glad you talked about their designs too though. Your videos are always insightful while also offering ways for improving too
I mean, they are grown up. Yang, Weiss, Blake, Jaune, Ren, and Nora are all 19 by volume 7. And Ruby's 17. It's not like they're kids anymore
Twiins iink I think they meant the outfits make them look like they are much older and went on solo careers or something. Similar to how u said they look like they aren’t on the same team anymore.
Am I the only one who was really bothered when I saw that Weiss kept her hair in a braid in her pajamas? Why not let her hair down, she did in Vol. 1, when the show barely had any budget.
Also I miss her Snowpea outfit from Vol. 2, I feel like it would've worked perfectly in Atlas (all of the RWBY girl's alt. outfits from Vol. 2 would've been perfect in Atlas imo)
I mean, yeah when I make RWBY OCs and think about their outfit designs I always look at Volume 1 outfits for inspiration/how to make sure they fit into the world - that should say something.
My issue is that they don't LOOK like RWBY characters anymore; the first three volumes had a very distinct fashion to their character outfits, they were all unique yet fit together in the same universe, they were also really nice to look at. Volume 4-6 fashion was ok? Kinda? It didn't assault the eyes but it didn't 100% feel like RWBY either - then now with Volume 7 for me it feels like a horrible nosedive into confusion with the outfits - the thing I dislike the most is that there's no cohesion anymore, most of them look like they crashed in from an alternate universe, especially Nora, and I don't like it because to me they just don't fit in the RWBY universe looking like that, the distinct fashion from 1-3 is gone, and I miss it.
(Well, that's my opinion, don't shoot me for it please aha)
9:02 OH MY GOD!!!! THATS ME!!!!!!!!
Oh my god! I always see you in the comments, that's so exciting! Great job on the edit! I also liked how you gave Blake her bow back, I kinda wish she'd reincorporate that into her look some how.
Twiins iink thank you!!!! the edit was super fun to make haha, also YES i 100% agree, blake shouldve kept her bow until at least atlas, i miss her ribbon ninja aesthetic :( ...
imma just comment this here cause comments are disabled in the actual video
i love how you can tell when someone is just triggeredly typing a comment with the sole intent to put someone down like in the ones you showcased about body types because there wasn’t a single solid defense against it.
there is a weird increase in titty size.
there is no variation in body type for girls.
there *is* variation for the guys.
it *is* an issue for a show that tries to proclaim about how diverse their show is cause all diverse means is girl power i guess.
but meanwhile there’s not a single person of color as a main protagonist and any variation they had is stripped away.
fighting style can contribute to unique body types.
Yang can be buff and her being the one with boobs while it may rub people the wrong way, it was clear from the dang RED trailer with the cliff hanger silhouette. anyone who knows their stuff could immediately see the YELLOW silhouette and tell “that girls the big boobed one”.
Ruby being the youngest gives her leeway to be young and grow a bit so fine.
Weiss is older and shouldn’t be growing too significantly anymore and regardless her character design always gave off the air of elegance. Having a small and petite body type suits that concept. She doesn’t have to be busty and curvy cause, well Yang’s the busty one.
As for curvy they could’ve just gave that to Blake. She’s a ninja, typical designs for ninjas or sneaky and sleuthy characters are either tight but free moving clothes or if they’re gonna be baggy then she should have accessories and ninja tools and tricks in them. but she doesn’t, that’s not her style or what the show is, so all were left with is the design stuffs from the original, a ninja with a hint of frenchness.
her clothes were tight so they could keep that and accentuate it with a curvy body type. and people should also realize curvy doesn’t mean big boobs but the hourglass outline the boob, waist, and hip ratio make.
so then we have buff and busty, young and growing, small and petite, and sleek and curvy.
I’d say that’s well rounded enough because frankly I don’t exactly care for media trying to portray a “thicc” main character and I know RT wouldn’t include ACTUAL chonky girs, they’d do it the Sakimichan way.
make thicc thighs and still keep the thigh gap, have big boobs but a flat stomach with small slim face and i’m tired of that crap. basically picking and choosing what parts of that body type get people’s rocks off more and ignoring the rest that inevitably come with the whole package.
id honestly rather just see more variety in the other body types than the fetishization and somehow simultaneous ignoring of thicc girls. but no everyone is just the exact same body type.
also in reference to Neo’s design, yes it is extremely strippery but i think it was an attempt to echo Torchwick’s design and have the hat make sense but it was done rather badly.
it also drags out a still unanswered question, why did she care so much about Torchwick? with how much I remember the way the show portrayed it, I had assumed she was one of Cinder’s lackeys or apprentices.
Thank you, I really appreciate all this
I really love the direction of Penny's new design. The added white, the fluffier dress, the longer hair, her swords often floating behind her like wings, and how often she's flying really gives her an angelic vibe. But the unorthodox nature of the "wings" (metallic and usually spinning behind/around her in a circle) keeps it slightly robotic. Robot angel is a very fitting asthetic for the guardian of Mantle, as well as for a character who essentially was ressurected.
0:08 Jiminy Christmas! Seeing the evolution of quality from Volume 1 to Volume 7 is very jarring. I absolutely do not miss the shadow people, who now that I look closely, look more like cardboard stands than actual character models in this scene.
Intentional or otherwise, I really like the comparison at 12:03 with the girls and their color distribution; the wording just suits Yang's Goldilocks motif.
You're the first person to mention that! I'm so glad someone noticed!
My views:
Ruby - great new outfit, kinda goes with the whole atlas theme but still has the similar and classic look from her previous designs
Yang - Yang's outfit would look better if her outfit wasn't as tight, she always wore looser clothes imo
Weiss - wtf
Blake - the desperate attempt at cutting the hair to show change in her character (plot wise) failed, like your example of Korra, Korra cut her hair during a dark time in her life, it symbolises her change well. With Blake, they could have added a small scene of herself cutting her hair and having a moment to feel relieved about leaving her past behind (if that was supposed to be the reason). It would have made more sense to bothe her character and to the audience.
Jaun - he keeps to his original themes and design with works well
Nora - tf happened there
Ren - "take me back to the good ol' days".
Ruby and Weiss have too little of their teammates colors, Blake has too much, but Yang is JUUUUUUST right. Oh how I've been waiting to make a pun like this, I just couldn't think of one until now.
Some guy in a black hood: Hello Roxas!
Jaune: I'm not Roxas!
Some guy in a black hood: Goodbye Roxas!
Jaune: I'm not Roxas!
What the hell happened to the hair models having streaks of hair shading on them???? Jaune’s hair would look so much better if it had any lowlights and the same could absolutely be said on how plastic and oddly chunky Weiss’ hair looks now. Even BLAKE has a bit of hair detail, but shouldnt that be more important for the characters with bright or super light hair??
i still believe that outfits are the result of crwby playing KH3 then asking their lawyers how much they need to change to avoid a copyright claim from square and nomura
"Don't be afraid of color home slice" and you just got a new sub
YES!! SOMEONE ELSE WHO DOSEN'T HATE JAUNE'S NEW HAIR!!!
I really want to like weiss’s design, but I can’t get over how cluttered it feels.
Just an idea but maybe Yang can have more skin showing because of her semblance? Maybe she is warmer when she wants to be? Just a thought. If it is true, I wish the writers would clarify
Wouldn't it be better to save her aura instead of waste it trying to stay warm? Even then, it's still better to at least communicate warmth in a desig
@@nian111 yeah I agree! Just an idea
Agreed, with the clarify. That could be a cool character thing! Yang just runs a little hot naturally-- there could be banter about her not putting on a jacket in the arctic.
@@katielearned5118 yeah I like that haha!
Don’t their auras keep them warm, as long as they have them? I’m pretty sure that Weiss said something like that
Here's my thoughts about Weiss' blues. Even tho i think your rendition of it (when you swapped it with white) is super awesome and i love it much more than the actual look, i still feel like her having Blue,White and Red would make her look like an Ace op or some specialist in the Atlus military, which is something she REALLY doesnt want to be. In my opinion they should have avoided it completely.
She should have black instead. Not only it’s more elegant and doesn’t imply Atlas’ military but it would also reference Blake
10:54 Um is it just me or does Blake’s chest look *BIGGER* than Yang’s chest? You know, the character who’s supposed to be “the busty one” by design? How is it possible that they have shots that makes other characters look like they are bigger than the one who’s supposed to be large? This only removes one of Yang’s very few defining traits in the series and it’s weird that for all their ballooning of Weiss’ chest that they made Yang look more flat.
Ryan Carson did you see the video on this channel where she talks about body types? It’s great, it adresses that
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Umm... Anime logic?
One of my biggest peeves for Weiss' design for Volume 7 wasn't the lack of white or the massive blob of a ponytail braid, but it was how the model itself didn't have any good physics applied to it. When I first saw Einlee's promotional art for Weiss with her flowing skirt and braid, I thought wow, that looks amazing, but then my excitement dropped so fast when the trailer dropped and there was barely any flow to her outfit. The skirt was stiff, the ponytail braid barely moved and seemed like an inconvenience. Its not particularly anyone's fault, be in Einlee or the character modelers themselves, but I feel like there was a lack of communication because Weiss' design doesn't work with the flowy battle style of what RWBY is. If the models can't be as flowy with more bone physics as it should be, why make an outfit design that looks better with that application?
Calling Weiss a Disney princess schnee Weiss means Snow White
She was never meant to look like Snow White. This is obvious from her previous designs. If they wanted to try that as a new thing, they really could have done a better job. She doesn't just look like a disney princess, she looks like a very bad disney princess.
That wasn’t the point my point was that Weiss’s outfit wasn’t bad and since they are introducing more fantastical elements they can make the outfits more outlandish not Disney princess she doesn’t look like a Disney princess and 2 they can be more odd
Did anyone get the chance to play the Chinese mobile game? It came up with their own designs, and frankly, they blow these designs out the water!
I didn't get to play it, but on the topic of their unique designs:
I really liked their Ruby and Weiss looks (Weiss especially was cool), but I felt that the team didn't really know what to do with Blake and Yang and so just went with "stereotypical ninja" and "stereotypical futuristic biker".
@@twiinsiink Then wouldn't Weiss's design be a "stereotypical princess/heiress" and Ruby be a "stereotypical lolita"? I think Blake had the weakest design, although it's still better than what we got in the show. Blake's fighting style is that of a ninja and the design reflected that. And it looks like she can actually blend into surroundings and go unnoticed (like a ninja). Yang looks like a biker, like you said, but she is with Bumblebee and it looks warmer than her volume 7 outfit and it has way more yellow! It also compliments her figure. :D Ruby's outfit looked a bit too girly for my taste (it looked like she was going to a Caribbean festival), and all the frills and roses look like a pain to fight with. Still pretty though.
Edit: Weiss's design was my favorite too! So majestic! ❄
Sad thing about the colour on RWBY’s designs is that in the season 7 intro, it’s no longer Red, White, Black and Yellow(RWBY). It’s Red, Blue, Purple and Beige(RBPB). Most of them are losing their original colour. Seeing the edits on the girls, they look even better than the original, my personal favourite being Blake’s edit.
Love this video btw, it taught me a lot about character design cause I enjoy drawing them as well!
Yeah, the RBPB is pretty lame. Here's hoping they veer back to their original colors eventually.
@@twiinsiink Ozpin: "RBPB! What Color am I even supposed to reference with that?! I can't work like this! Glynda, you take over from here!"
Glynda: "At least they have it better than the poor Children that make up Team SHIT....
They only won the last Vytal Tournament because the Enemy spend too much time laughing."
What gets is that there really are just a couple small tweaks they can do to make the outfits for Team RWBY better. I do 3D modelling, and have done some character work, so this is my perspective:
- Change the color of Weiss's jacket to a pale blue or a snowy white, make her braid much smaller and more manageable, and halve the amount of belts she has.
- Change the color of Blake's coat to black, and the jumpsuit to white, and change her heels to flat-footed boots or slippers.
- Thicken up Yang's jacket a bit, re-zip the pant leg on the right, and brighten her overalls from khaki to a richer tan like her original jacket.
I literally get SO HAPPY when I see your videos!!!! You're the only person who's notification I IMMEDIATELY click on when it pops up!!! Can't wait to see the video!
(And I honestly don't like Weiss' new hair. Idk why but it looks like a huge step down in animation. No shade or definition)
Awww, thank you!
I really like your channel's focus on character design. It's one of those things that's easy to overlook, but it makes a huge difference. I have generally been down on the new designs, so I was shocked when you showed some fanarts of the new looks, and how they looked better than the official show. As you said, I think consistency with the character and the world is key.
I wonder if you would think of doing this kind of thing for other franchises. We've had a lot of video game remakes recently that offer good comparisons. Good luck with your channel! :D
I'm not opposed to branching out, just gotta find a show or game I care enough about to discuss.
I wish RT could make Blake and Jaune's hair look as good in the show as they do in their artwork.
Good video. Ironwood has my favorite V7 design though
It's a good one. Even though I questioned why he got a new design after getting to see his previous iteration so little, I still really like the new look for him.
If it's supposed to be cold in Atlas why would you have boob window? I know this is super nitpicky but if Blakes weapon is supposed to be made of metal why isn't she wearing any gloves? I once shoveled snow without gloves and my fingers started to lose color pretty quickly..
don't forget aura helps protect the body. even from harsh temperatures.
@@watyhu99 Yeah, but wouldn't you rather wear actual Winter Clothes, in case your Aura breaks and you are stranded in the Tundra?
@@johannesseyfried7933 I'm not justifying the horrible or stupid design flaws, just pointing it out that aura still helps, after all, Weiss was stuck in the cold in nothing but her dress all last volume.
People who say that diversification of body isn't needed is equal as saying that ethnicity or sexual representation isn't needed. They are important factors, especially when we are similar to certain character and want to connect with them.
Of course there are exceptions like Avatar, which focuses on Asians but at least they have sexual, skin tone and body type diversity
You know, after all these rwby videos and explaining you could honestly be a good storywriter for a show. You catch the small details and actually pay attention from the past to help with the writing and ideas for the future. Your arguments are so good and when you point out the flaws it actually makes sense and I feel like if the directors heard it they would definitely agree. If you were a storywriter for a show I’d honestly watch it. I’m not good at wording things but yeah XD
That's so nice, thank you!
For Weiss’ new outfit I always complained about the same thing and I’m really happy you made that color swapped visual. It is exactly what I would’ve done to her outfit. Although I would’ve made the dark blue skirt red but that’s besides the point. I still love it a lot and wished they went with that color pattern.
I always love your videos and they help me appreciate the show in so many different ways
when she said "Homeboy been pushing his hair out his face for years" i felt that
Great video as always. I really like how you pointed out how bland and generic team FNKI's other two members look, because nobody else seems to acknowledge how bad they look. They look like they belong in another series. There's nothing visually striking about them, which made it difficult because team FNKI design was all about having a musical motif, and I can't for the life of me figure out what's their deal.
They're the "what color is this dress" meme (the whole team is memes with Neon being Nyan Cat and Flynt being an inside joke with Achievement Hunter's "Flynt Coal" gag).
@@twiinsiink Wait but then, who the heck are the other two of team FNKI supposed to be? That's what I'm confused on.
@@BasicXrazor Ivory and Kobalt are the "what color is this dress" meme. You know, the "I see white and gold" or "I see black and blue" (hence the two's color pallet).
I also already said that in the first sentence of my first reply to you.
@@twiinsiink Ohhh, I see it now. I didn't get it at first, but now it makes sense.
FINALLY someone acknowledges Jaune's design without making a meme out of it!
9:41 "Game, manga, anime"
9:45 "Netflix adaptation"
I still like Ruby's first costume the best. It's simple and nice to look at(and looks like it could actually function fairly well in Atlas). All the changed ones keeps adding stuff that distracts from the overall feel the more you look at it.
that and the new ones make them a pain in the ass to cosplay, you know how many stupid belts and zippers you'd now have to sew for the new outfits, the new outfits are so much more expensive to make now and time consuming. that and the amount of gold trim I'd have to use.
@@watyhu99 I wouldn't know about that. I am just looking at it from an outside perspective. But yeah, it sounds annoying to have to incorporate all of that. Also, why does so many fantasy costumes make use of so many zippers and belts? It doesn't make sense!
@@ocadioan If it was like a final fantasy thing, I usually give it a pass, but my god the amount of dumb belts and zippers are annoying, unless they somehow incorporate a function into it, like belts being used to apply pressure on a body part.
Yang's was the most jarring for me. Looks like something a mechanic or old timey pilot would wear.
stop reminding me that i need to do my Weiss redesign after i promised it months ago-
Edit: Also would like to mention i might torture myself and after i do the initial redesigns of RWBY i might actually do it again but this time taking into mind what would Altas or Mantle people wear and oh god ;w;
Real talk, I've done so many RWBY redesigns. It's weirdly addicting, and you learn so much after every one!
@@twiinsiink duuddeee i would love to see them! Do you have them posted somewhere? (only redesign i've done so far is Ruby's, it's up on my channel)
@@asherville7163 If you DM me on twitter or email me at Twiinsiink@gmail.com, I can send you a link.
I love your video, you give really clear n articulate explanations for what look works or don't n why. You got a new subscriber.
I really enjoy the thumbnail for this video. Also, SECRET BACKSTORY PARTIALLY UNLOCKED!
The fact that they didnt make those Useless belt buckles on wrist, her iconic black ribbons is heresey to me. I mean her og outfit had the ribbons not just for aesthetic reasons but for functionality, her fighting styles with Gambol Shroud uses those ribbons many times in fights. Her Alternate Outfit Intruder has them as well. And the reason Her Vol 4 Outfit doesnt is probably because she wasnt going home anticipating to fight. But with them in Atlas/Mantle dawning new outfits it makes sense to bring back the ribbons
ALSO THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE HER OUTFIT LOOK FRENCH AGAIN!!
I'm glad someone finally put this into words...
I'll admit, it's been a while since I've watched the show, fell off around volume five because it just... It didn't really feel like I was watching RWBY anymore, and not in a good way. Like, since Monty died, it's just kinda lost its identity. Watching it feels a lot more bitter than sweet, and stuff like losing focus of the character designs with their colours being lost and their sillhoutes lost just makes it visibly noticeable.
It's a shame, but I'm glad at least with this video I can understand the problems a bit better... Since I'm planning on going into games design, hopefully I can at least learn from this.
I'm not crazy on anyone's new design. The concept art looks great, but it always looks great until the 3D models come around. It kinda annoyed me why he got a new hair cut. He just held the fabric meant to remember Pyrrha. "Hey guys, remember Arkos? This is relevant somehow!"
Out of the new outfits this season -- Qrow's is the one I really dislike. I don't know, I just feel like there's too much going on.
that's a new take. At least, I haven't seen it. Interesting. I mean, that's true, but Imo the other characters are far worse offenders.
@@KevSB07 You're definitely right, Though I'm still not sure about Qrow's outfit but maybe I just need more time for it to grow on me. But the others tho-- yikes. The edits are really better imo at least.
@@me_gongaga2 Personally I'm sad for Weiss's design. I really loved her past few designs. They probably weren't the best, but they looked the best to me, personally. This is just the worst for one who's supposed to be best girl. She lost all her elegance and contradicted her character arc at the same time, and I just wish we could go back to V2C4 outfit for her.
I’m going to copy and paste another comment I wrote: The tail of his shirt isn’t long anymore, it doesn’t look like a crow nor a scarecrow; in fact, both sides of his top should be longer and pointy instead of straight; there are way too much lines and colours, it’s overwhelming and they don’t even look good together; I like how his sleeves have that little design, but it’s not even the same one there is on his weapon, like what the hell; talking about the sleeves, their shape is just weird- they look like they would be on a normal shirt while the rest of his outfit looks more like a suit; his cape doesn’t stand out anymore- it’s the only red element in an outfit that already has way too much colours; why are there so many crosses- before, there was only one and it was sideways, accentuating his messy look, now they’re just weird; what’s with the pirate look? Anyway.
So what we learned: Jaune is the favorite golden boy of RT
Someone finally said what was on my mind since the beginning of the volume 7
You need to be hired for rwby character design in my opinion
Your accented version of Weiss looked amazing
"Got really into Tales of Graces"
I DIED
Also why chop off the hair when their going to a cold environment. Wouldn't Nora and Blake be colder?
I found myself agreeing a lot with what you said. Excellent video with wonderful points!
Thank you!
When I look at the belts and zippers on these characters I’m reminded of Blazblue cross tag battle
It’s as though they were trying to pay Archsystem works back, for put their characters in BBTAG by making every design look like it was ripped straight out of the Guilty Gear or Blazblue universes