I love builds like these. It's cool because you never expect an HP SFF office PC to play Cyberpunk at over 60 FPS. Something I've always wanted to do is make a build like this, but put a custom loop in it.
custom loop? That would be pricier than the whole build and totally pointless cause the 7700 sadly has the multiplier locked, if it was the 7700K, then delidding and going extreme cooling for max OC it would still be a fine PC though it's still very far from catching a much weaker 13th gen Intel I3 which is just massively better and with much less wattage than a full OC 7700K😕
@@guily6669 Dude, if you look at this build and think "it would only be worth it if the 7700 was unlocked and de-lidded with liquid metal" than man, this might not be the form factor for you. (or the source PC for you... it's a used factory OEM office PC) A sleeper is entirely for aesthetic, spending money on unexpected internals is literally the entire point.
@@dylanherron3963 but still what's the point of a custom Waterloop on something that will never need it and won't make a difference... I thought a sleeper is supposed to be "something" that is crazy high performance hidden\disguised as something looking so much worse. Also even if this PC had a 7700K would still be a pretty normal thing cause there have always been both I5\I7 K on a bit more expensive office PCs and it's not like even a fully OC one will be much of a "sleeper" PC cause it can't even get close to some of the worse current intel 13th gen I3 on a even uglier office PC case LOL... In fact this won't even get close to the current latest APU's like AMD Ryzen 6800U that go in handheld form factor at least in CPU performance... Ps: what I mean is the custom water cooler should be used on really hot, high wattage chips or for going maximum OC which is exactly the point of a unlocked CPU.
I picked up a G3 a couple months ago and dropped an i7-7700k I had and a Zotac gt1030 in it and even that configuration is snappy and good for lower spec gaming. I've been really impressed. Recently found that these were made in a tower form factor as well which I believe would accommodate a full height card.
My daughter is using a HP Prodesk with a i5-9500, 16gb ram and a Rx 6400. I'm using an Acer Aspire xc-1660g with an i3-10105, 32gb of ram and an RTX a2000. Both work great for the budget.
If you want a PC like this but want to be able to put a bigger graphics card into it for more performance or to save costs, I'd recommend going for the mini tower version, it is bigger but it's about the same price as the SFF version but it's still very sleek at least to me
@@BaneGamesOfficial There are higher bracket GPUs that don't need PCIE connectors that would fit in a mini tower but definitely wouldn't fit in this system because of the GPU being too tall
Would definitely like to see higher end emulation. Seems like it would be a great rig to put in an Arcade cabinet if it can handle most emulation software.
My PC i've been using for around 6 years now is kinda similar to this one actually. I have the exact same CPU, my GTX 1070 was only slightly better than this one (I have a 2060S now), I didn't even put my emulators on my m.2 I put them on my hard drive, the only upgrade I can see here is that I have 16GB of DDR4 instead of 8. Every emulator runs perfect including RPCS3, Xenia, and Yuzu. So if the PC runs like mine does I can see it handling emulation no problem.
@@RejectedGalaxy I'm looking to upgrade my rig specifically for RPCS3. I was leaning more towards an i7 8700 for the higher core count. Does the 7700 have issues with any games?
@@PacketWrangler tbh I still think that cpu is too old-slow for higher end emulation. I have a 7700 and it´s not great, then again I also only have a gtx1050
One can hope. That's a neutral statement by the way. The stuff on Ebay now, is from business upgrades or business reductions in force. The stuff will be sold, whether you think the reasons why are good or bad. I bought a used SteelCase Office chair from an outfit had a warehouse that looked like the one in one of the Indiana Jones movies. It was huge, full of used office furniture.
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It's totally normal cause it's mostly GPU power in there... at least for 1080P a lot of games can't even push that GPU to the max, like having 60% use only on some games because of lack of CPU+ram combo 😕 The problem of such builds are always the 1% lows and micro stuttering which might get annoying, the avg FPS should always be fine cause most games don't really push physics to the next level for almost a decade sadly...
I have the i5 7500 version hooked up to my 32" wide-screen Sony Trinitron CRT TV. Absolutely love it, run all my emulators @ 240p with it. Also watching movies on it is awesome. Great little machines.
@@HunterTinsley Ultimate Scart adapter. VGA to Scart, essentially, then a Radeon 5450 running CRT emudriver. A bit of a pain to set up but extremely worth it. 15khz 240p Retroarch is truly awesome.
that a2000 is really impressive. i was thinking a 1660 ti for the price would be better but the a2000 pretty much beats its out, call me pleasantly surprised
@@AlteredCarbons I’ve been tempted to stuff an A2000 into an NFC S4T build, but I’m not sure if things like Dolby/DTS audio or HDMI VRR are possible through DP adapters (both would be nice to have for a living room/HTPC). I found a cable that claims to support DP FreeSync to HDMI VRR conversion, but I have yet to buy or test it
And if You let MSI afterburner to test it with the overclocking scanner (takes around half an hour) it will squeeze out 5-6% more performance in the factory power envelope. You save it to a profile and just load it when You need a bit more performance 😉
@@Nor_Bee thats what i did for my 1660 ti heh, lasted through the covid crisis. i just upgraded to a 6700 xt. setup in undervolt and over clock. things a beast. i honestly dont like nvidia's price gouging so i let them know with my wallet this time
I’d be cautious running these power supplies at more than 145 W for extended periods of time. These machines were not designed to run that high, and 145 W is 80% of the rating of the PSU. I don’t have a lot of experience with these SFF Office gaming builds, but use caution.
To be fair he's been doing these SFF builds for several years now. If there was ever an issue, then he would've brought it up by now. Especially when he's the one with more experience with them.
I just want to add - the 800 G4 (the next version of this) has a platinum rated 250w PSU. So you shouldn't reach that 80% threshold under pretty much any circumstance
I'll never forget the old Pentium 4 Dell Optiplex. Those things ran so hot it was like a hot hair dryer blowing and sounded like it too. We had so many of those just start blowing hot smoke because the insides were literally frying. Once you opened them up you could see melted caps on the motherboard and inside the psu. Hated those P4 Optiplexes.
In my country 6th gen to 9th gen used CPU are still pretty pricey right now. But Haswell ones are pretty cheap, buy the empty (only mobo + PSU + CPU cooler + case) for 30$ then add 40$ for an i7 4770, 25$ for 16GB RAM, and 80$ for a low profile RX 550 4GB. BOOM, sub 200$ PC that can handle newer games (not RTX A2000 though, that's still around 380$ here lol) Wish we could get parts cheaper than the US as our buying power are pretty crap as minimum wage on big cities are just below 350$ lmao
Thank you @ETAPRIME, I've followed your channel for years and I finally put this build together! I was lucky, I managed to find a seller who had the PC with 32gb RAM already installed and another seller who had the GPU 12gb version for just over £200 delivered. Playing RDR2 on a mix of high/ultra settings at 1080 resolution is a massive upgrade from playing it on my Beelink Ser5 Pro, which is still a great system for emulation and travel. Keep making great content 👍🏻
Attention: 180watt is what it can pull maximal not what it can provide to the system .. usually you Wang to have your PSU significant bigger because the best yield is usually at 50% capacity.. Moreover, other parts like voltage regulators ram and chipset drives etc po (it adds up) also consuming power
I just want to add - the 800 G4 (the next version of this) has a platinum rated 250w PSU. So you shouldn't reach that 80% threshold under pretty much any circumstance
What’s funny is this is what the postal service uses and we are currently upgrading to laptops. There will be thousands of these up for resale any time man. The postal service has them with 16 or 32 gb of ram depending on the model we have.
I don't suggest the Dell SFF systems past the xx10 series since they put the x16 slot right next to the PSU, so the A2000 wouldn't fit. HP has some of the best SFF systems and the Z240 is a little better option than this 800 G3 if you can find it about the same price since it has a better PSU, and I think they look a bot better too. And from the looks of it, that 7700 needs a delid.
I ran into this problem with the Optiplex 7060 and 5060 and also the HP Prodesk 600 G4. There's only a single full sized x16 slot and it can only fit a single width card due to the position of the PS. They started to do this with the 8th gen Intel SFF cases - which is one gen later than the PC in the video. It does work if the PS is taken out of the case, with a little bending of the metal and using no bracket whatsover.
I have made a hard turn in my gaming preferences recently. Instead of going for the best of the best all of the time, I have favored performance/watt. My main rig is a 13700k, 64GB RAM, and a 4080. My watt meter says my system takes 710 watts at the max, I can only assume that is a chunk of my electric bill. When you said this system takes 180 watts, that was an uppercut because my average load while in game on my 4080 alone is in the 250-ish watt range with a peak max that I have seen of 300. I am ready to take a slight downgrade in performance for massive power savings.
Its nice to see a GPU like the RTX A2000 be available for so cheap. Because this is an entry level workstation card (like the Quadro cards). It is a little slow, but it's so inexpensive, I would rather have this than RTX 3060 in my Video editing rig, Since it is much more optimised for that work. Honestly, with this card, you can make a rather pocket friendly and super reliable workstation for video editing and VFX. It won't be fast, but it would be more stable and VFX/ editing softwares would be more stable
We really do get shafted here in the UK. The A2000 is way, way more expensive here. Even the old office PC's the sellers here want too much money for them most of the time. 😕
ETA Prime, what a coincidence, i just bought one of these like a month a go, but did not get it until like 2 weeks ago! This has never happened before, where you are reviewing a device that I also just purchased! I already have an i7-7700 cpu and two other mother boards! When I finish my set-up, I will send you pics and specs to get your opinion and suggestions to make my little ultimate gaming set-up even better! Keep up the good work!! 😎🔥❤️💯💰🌎📱💻
I'm thinking about trying out the lowpro WX4100. Seems like a bit better than 1050ti level of performance is doable after bios tweaking but it's a little known option. Its very low power draw is an appeal too. Seems like with a bit of hunting you can snatch one up for
and this could be good for steamos as well bc its AMD. but like the other person said getting a rx 6400 might be easier, unless you need a lot of displays
@@ruffprophetproductions @Ruff Prophet Productions I think they might be considering the WX4100 because they're cheaper on ebay. They've become pretty available like the RTX A2000 lately, but for under $100. It's obviously not as good, but saving a good $30 for around the same performance (a the 6400) isn't so bad. Plus i hear the drivers are compatible
@@ghosttheoremproductions5469 How? RX 6400 is like 150$ Brand New (just look at amazon, they sell it for 139$).. WX4100 for gaming? Nope those small blower card make a lot of noise.
😱😱😱😱😱 I was asking for this!! Thx 🙇 Edit: I have a project planned for this case 😍 Gonna turn it into an amazing console/pc/htpc 😁 with BigBox as opening!
Man these r fantastic....considering my budget at the moment this seems perfect for me....since i just want to play some old pc games anyways as i own a ps5 and xbox series s....this is perfect for me
I just got a a2000 from the exact link you have in this video. It came from Virginia, and it came with the high profile GPU bracket, and the low profile GPU bracket! I had a low profile gpu bracket 3d printed from a family member, and didn't even have to use it!
Thanks, I can't believe I will be able to give my old PC a second wind by just changing the GPU, I was about to give up on it and wait until the end of the year to get another one.
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@@rafshkim I could be wrong,but I think he said he planned for it to be a non x CPU, but when he booted it up there was a 5600x installed. I only remember because he was worried about power consumption.
if it makes you feel better, the one i ordered from the link was defective and i had to return it. someone else in these comments also got a defective card from them.
I found a Dell 3880 mini atx 10th Gen i3, stock at a thrift store, out of box it had a 200w power supply with no 6 or 8 pin GPU dongle so I did some digging and found a factory fit Dell 500w power supply with a 6/8 pin and slipped it in there to add a dedicated GPU. I added a m.2 SSD, 16gb 3200 DDR4 and a RX 5600. It runs rather well, does 1080p like a boss and even some games do well at 1440p. Love tuning these little machines like this I have a pair of mini HP Slim 260-p026 that I maxed out and added low profile RX 550 4GB cards and they do rather well for a Roblox/Minecraft box for my youngest kiddo.
I'm not a modern gamer. I have a $300 Acer laptop that does EVERYTHING I need, and for retro gaming, I have a Rasp Pi 3b+ running RetroPi on a 7" monitor, and a Retro Pocket 3 for gaming on the go (there's also an old Pocket Go handheld with a 2.4" screen I keep in the car for days when I have a lot of waiting to do. Time passes faster playing Super Mario World.) . It's all I need and does everything... Watching your videos has me on the verge of buying a mini pc and a 24" monitor, and using my Monster S300 for sound... I don't NEED it, but it just seems so damn cool. Will I ever play AAA games? Probably not. Almost guaranteed not. PS2 is about the height of my gaming aspirations, so I can relive the thrill of playing Shadows of the Colossus, or try Hollow Knight to get my Metroidvania fix. But thanks to these videos, all I can think about is how much better doing that would be on a Minisforum or Beelink mini computer sitting discreetly beside a crisp monitor. So thanks for that... a new fixation has entered the building.
used this for reference to build my computer, i accidentally got a PC with a I-7 6700 and by the time i saw this the costs of the A2000 has raised in price, so i settled for a RTX 2070. The tower didnt have the same power supply so i had to buy one that had the connectors to power the card. but i got it with 32gb ram and a 1TB SSD so not too bad.
If I go ahead and build one of these, I think I'll wait for the low profile bracket to turn up before buying the rest, just in case there is anything wrong with the GPU or computer! Thank you for uploading this info and sharing your knowledge!
A word of caution on these A2000s. I bought from the Amazon link in one of your original A2000 videos and while it wasn't completely DOA, it was clearly defective and had to be returned.
mine worked great, but not everyones experience is the same. Heed dc's words. Not everyone gets lucky. If you're buying one, buy one that has a warranty attached, or one that is used by a person on ebay (i know that sounds weird, but those have been used recently in real-world environments rather than a "quality check")
Man I swear I was just looking at one of that exact model of pc used at my local State Surplus property warehouse. They had a whole pallet of the things for thirty bucks each. Honestly as a carrier for a gpu you can't beat them.
We had a lot of these at work. We had a rash of them with motherboard issues, but likely it it's made it through a few years and onto the second-hand market those have been weeded out.
there's even a single slot version of that card which would of course fit in even more cases. there's also a 12 gb model becasue these were originally sold as professonal cards
I had this PC with 8th gen i5 and rx6400 low profile. It was struggling to play things at 1080p low/med settings so I sold the GPU. Glad to know there's a more powerful low profile GPU out there!
You mention both an upgraded power supply and a source for the low profile bracket for the GPU. Can you provide links for those, please? Honestly, I am going to be looking for at the MTs as well. You can be more flexible in terms of graphics cards. I have a couple of 2060s laying around so this is one way I might go. But this would be a great little LINUX box as well.
You can get Windows 11 on 7th gen and lower processors, there are videos about that on RUclips. I wouldn't recommend upgrading now though. Windows 11 isn't a great OS so far, and has more bugs and issues than 10.
The seller for the A2000's is not in China as stated in the video. The seller is the same on both eBay and Amazon and they are located in Powhatan, Virginia, United States.
I think he meant he ordered the low profile brackets from China, not the card. The card I ordered from Amazon (the link he posted) was defective so be warned. Someone else also in these comments bought from them and their card was defective. Your mileage may vary but I personally don't think the novelty is worth the hassle. Also this card doesn't support Geforce experience if that's something you like to use to tweak visuals.
Please note cpu temps are high w this one. The fan sucks and nothing really swappable. The g4 800 usually has 250w.(what I use w i7 8700) the CPU gets to 80c easy.
Hey ETA! Wondering if you'd do a video on how you benchmark a system and possibly setup afterburner. Maybe it's more simple than worth a video. But I love what this channel does. I want to put together a list of video cards available that offer the best bang for the $$ that are low profile for unique builds. Maybe you have all of this. Anyways, this channel is addictive!
that's an incredibile GPU, the only problem is that where I'm from, the a2000 is ~ $430 second hand and the RTX 3050 is $200 brand new so it's really not worh it. I'm trying to put togheder a Dell 7040 i7 6700, pared with a 1050ti , 16gb of dd4 ram and an NVMe drive for a total of $217.
@@mangopussi9432 that's an ok price for the GPU. If you want an unclean setup you could get rx580 for same price and use external psu. Though it's kind of a risk
I just got a 705 G4 based off an earlier video. Please make a video about the risks and what to check on these used pc. My first attempt had wet dirt in it, so they tried washing it out and didn't even remove the dirt so I could identify before it shorted. Second one ripped out the wifi chip and cabling.... Along with switching a good ssd for a cheapo. Also many of the advertised 2400ge chips are swapped for a 2400g which is a mixed bag of more performance for more heat. Lastly, I saw some videos where your performance was only around 7000 night raid, but on the same pc you would get nearly 13000 just by switching to dual channel memory which is cheap.
It'll perform very well. It's granted that if that PC can run any modern triple A game like Spider Man: Miles Morades, it can definitely play any higher end emulator with great performance results.
When a PSU is rated for 180Watt, that's the max, output, not input. So 178 Watt pulled from the wall is kinda close, but even with a 90% efficiency, you'd still have a whooping 20 Watts of headroom.
Playnite set to boot up in fullscreen mode with Windows, the 8th gen variant of this PC and the A2000 combo, hooked up to a 75" 4k TV at the living room with all games utilizing fsr and dlss. That's the way.
the rtx 2060 outperforms the rtx A2000 and comes in at under $200 and I understand that the RTX A2000 might sound more appealing because its low profile but you can easily find a MT at around the same price as the one shown in this video
That’s completely against the whole point - having an SFF. I sold my 8600k tower with Vega 56 and got Lenovo Thinkcentre 710s with A2000. Just swapped the PSU fan for high flow, much more silent Arctic F8, replaced stock cpu cooler with NH-L9x65, put cheap 1 TB SATA for storage I had around and done. No cable hassle, it’s nice and silent, hidden under the top of my table. That’s whole point of SFF. I already made design on how to replace internals in that Lenovo with micro ITX and full size (short) GPU once it will be obsolete but it will serve for many years to come.
you know you must worry if CPU usage about the same with the GPU usage, but yeah if you're on budget, sure this is good deal that you can get around $500-$600 in total
I picked up the EliteDesk 800 G3 i7-6700 and threw in a GTX 1650 low profile. That's my kids gaming PC. They got a boot drive upgrade to NVME from my old Gen 3 and 2x8gb ddr4 3200 (i know it can't use it at that speed) ram that I upgraded
Just ordered such a HP PC with i3 8100, 16gb ram and 256gb ssd for just 99€ and a used A2000 6gb for 199€. I'll try to run Steam OS on it. Just a fun project PC for me. My main rig is stronger.
These machines with same specs are almost £150 / 200 if you are not willing to put some work into it on ebay. I purchased i7 6700, 16 gigs and 256 ssd hp sff £75 and thats the lowest i could for this specs
@@kirle5455 any display port labeled ++ should be pretty much indistinguishable from HDMI with respect to audio and video. You won't get arc or cec, but that's one of the compromises you make for saving a buck by buying used parts.
i just bought a Dell OptiPlex 9020 Small Form Computer Desktop PC, Intel Core i7 3.4GHz Processor, 32GB Ram, 1 TB Solid State, Wireless Keyboard & Mouse, Wi-Fi & Bluetooth, HDMI, Windows 10 Pro (Renewed) for $200 would a LP NVIDIA RTX A2000 6GB work in this rig
I dont need 2k or 4k or 8k. 1440p is a perk if I have the hardware. 1080p is more than sufficient for me and it also reduces the strain if I run ray tracing.
Sadly is impossible to get hardware that price in Argentina, even used. I'd love to make something like this to put behind the TV to have it plugged-in to do some light gaming in the couch.
So this turned out way better than expected, if you want to see anything else running in this budget rig let me know
elden ring or hogwarts legacy would be nice
single slot 6400 lp plz
Does this have a video encoder?
ps3 resistance the fall of man
Emulation?
I love builds like these. It's cool because you never expect an HP SFF office PC to play Cyberpunk at over 60 FPS. Something I've always wanted to do is make a build like this, but put a custom loop in it.
Snoozy little sleeper, sleepers are the best
custom loop? That would be pricier than the whole build and totally pointless cause the 7700 sadly has the multiplier locked, if it was the 7700K, then delidding and going extreme cooling for max OC it would still be a fine PC though it's still very far from catching a much weaker 13th gen Intel I3 which is just massively better and with much less wattage than a full OC 7700K😕
@@guily6669 Dude, if you look at this build and think "it would only be worth it if the 7700 was unlocked and de-lidded with liquid metal" than man, this might not be the form factor for you. (or the source PC for you... it's a used factory OEM office PC) A sleeper is entirely for aesthetic, spending money on unexpected internals is literally the entire point.
@@dylanherron3963 but still what's the point of a custom Waterloop on something that will never need it and won't make a difference...
I thought a sleeper is supposed to be "something" that is crazy high performance hidden\disguised as something looking so much worse.
Also even if this PC had a 7700K would still be a pretty normal thing cause there have always been both I5\I7 K on a bit more expensive office PCs and it's not like even a fully OC one will be much of a "sleeper" PC cause it can't even get close to some of the worse current intel 13th gen I3 on a even uglier office PC case LOL...
In fact this won't even get close to the current latest APU's like AMD Ryzen 6800U that go in handheld form factor at least in CPU performance...
Ps: what I mean is the custom water cooler should be used on really hot, high wattage chips or for going maximum OC which is exactly the point of a unlocked CPU.
Thats kinda redundant lol
Excellent combo. This is honestly my favorite kind of PC. $200-300, Used, amazing value, plays basically anything.
where are we getting these gpu. The cheapest 6gb a2000 i can find in canada is $700
@@Gordond2009 ebay
@@theinktician at that point what
at that point just get a 30 series card, i think he meant
@@enriquedossantos3283 still waiting on that 30 series LP card....
This is what I have been dreaming of for years, a small form desktop PC with actual RTX discrete graphics!
I picked up a G3 a couple months ago and dropped an i7-7700k I had and a Zotac gt1030 in it and even that configuration is snappy and good for lower spec gaming. I've been really impressed. Recently found that these were made in a tower form factor as well which I believe would accommodate a full height card.
If you get creative you can make room for a full size card
Useless build, you could have just bought a Ryzen apu instead of a garbage 1030 🤣
My daughter is using a HP Prodesk with a i5-9500, 16gb ram and a Rx 6400. I'm using an Acer Aspire xc-1660g with an i3-10105, 32gb of ram and an RTX a2000. Both work great for the budget.
If you want a PC like this but want to be able to put a bigger graphics card into it for more performance or to save costs, I'd recommend going for the mini tower version, it is bigger but it's about the same price as the SFF version but it's still very sleek at least to me
Really depends If they come with a pcie cable on the power supply or not, most don't so thats why this card is a good option.
I recommend a dell precision tower, those pc are gigantic
You can also go with a nr200 with a matx mobo (gotta check that it fits vertically) then put a atx psu inside.
@@BaneGamesOfficial There are higher bracket GPUs that don't need PCIE connectors that would fit in a mini tower but definitely wouldn't fit in this system because of the GPU being too tall
@@lavadora8219 Lol dude that reminds me of when I built a gaming PC a couple years ago, I got a T7500 Dell Precision that thing was beyond massive
Would definitely like to see higher end emulation. Seems like it would be a great rig to put in an Arcade cabinet if it can handle most emulation software.
My PC i've been using for around 6 years now is kinda similar to this one actually. I have the exact same CPU, my GTX 1070 was only slightly better than this one (I have a 2060S now), I didn't even put my emulators on my m.2 I put them on my hard drive, the only upgrade I can see here is that I have 16GB of DDR4 instead of 8. Every emulator runs perfect including RPCS3, Xenia, and Yuzu. So if the PC runs like mine does I can see it handling emulation no problem.
@@RejectedGalaxy I'm looking to upgrade my rig specifically for RPCS3. I was leaning more towards an i7 8700 for the higher core count. Does the 7700 have issues with any games?
@@PacketWrangler tbh I still think that cpu is too old-slow for higher end emulation. I have a 7700 and it´s not great, then again I also only have a gtx1050
With over 150,000 tech workers TERMINATED so far this year, eBay should have lots and lots of late model PCs to choose from.
One can hope. That's a neutral statement by the way. The stuff on Ebay now, is from business upgrades or business reductions in force. The stuff will be sold, whether you think the reasons why are good or bad. I bought a used SteelCase Office chair from an outfit had a warehouse that looked like the one in one of the Indiana Jones movies. It was huge, full of used office furniture.
I picked up a Gen4 with an i7-8700. Thanks for the inspiration!
these are the type of builds i enjoy seeing, thanks for posting
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Building myself RTX A2000 4.1L build. Very impressed with its size
Great video! I love it when people bring new life to old hardware. The FPS numbers are actually impressive.
It's totally normal cause it's mostly GPU power in there... at least for 1080P a lot of games can't even push that GPU to the max, like having 60% use only on some games because of lack of CPU+ram combo 😕
The problem of such builds are always the 1% lows and micro stuttering which might get annoying, the avg FPS should always be fine cause most games don't really push physics to the next level for almost a decade sadly...
I have the i5 7500 version hooked up to my 32" wide-screen Sony Trinitron CRT TV. Absolutely love it, run all my emulators @ 240p with it. Also watching movies on it is awesome. Great little machines.
What do you output to the CRT? Mini display to scart?
@@HunterTinsley Ultimate Scart adapter. VGA to Scart, essentially, then a Radeon 5450 running CRT emudriver. A bit of a pain to set up but extremely worth it. 15khz 240p Retroarch is truly awesome.
that a2000 is really impressive. i was thinking a 1660 ti for the price would be better but the a2000 pretty much beats its out, call me pleasantly surprised
Basically a 3050 at half the power consumption. Just shows how efficient Ampere can be with top binned parts.
@@SirSethery yeah. honestly i might get one just for a build like above for a bedroom pc for mostly emulation level's and some cultured video's
@@AlteredCarbons
I’ve been tempted to stuff an A2000 into an NFC S4T build, but I’m not sure if things like Dolby/DTS audio or HDMI VRR are possible through DP adapters (both would be nice to have for a living room/HTPC). I found a cable that claims to support DP FreeSync to HDMI VRR conversion, but I have yet to buy or test it
And if You let MSI afterburner to test it with the overclocking scanner (takes around half an hour) it will squeeze out 5-6% more performance in the factory power envelope. You save it to a profile and just load it when You need a bit more performance 😉
@@Nor_Bee thats what i did for my 1660 ti heh, lasted through the covid crisis. i just upgraded to a 6700 xt. setup in undervolt and over clock. things a beast. i honestly dont like nvidia's price gouging so i let them know with my wallet this time
I've had the exact same build for the last 6 months. It is really a decent setup.
Great video!!
Do you have problems with temps being high? I have one and it just seems to run hot. Wondering what changes if any you made to address yours.
Nice to see some low cost sff alternatives to the optiplexes (of which I already have two!)
When you get that low profile bracket in, make sure you do a video on how to install it.
I’d be cautious running these power supplies at more than 145 W for extended periods of time. These machines were not designed to run that high, and 145 W is 80% of the rating of the PSU.
I don’t have a lot of experience with these SFF Office gaming builds, but use caution.
To be fair he's been doing these SFF builds for several years now. If there was ever an issue, then he would've brought it up by now. Especially when he's the one with more experience with them.
a lot of times those SFF PCs have gold or even platinum rating power supplies, and they perform really well within whole power range
I just want to add - the 800 G4 (the next version of this) has a platinum rated 250w PSU. So you shouldn't reach that 80% threshold under pretty much any circumstance
I'll never forget the old Pentium 4 Dell Optiplex. Those things ran so hot it was like a hot hair dryer blowing and sounded like it too. We had so many of those just start blowing hot smoke because the insides were literally frying. Once you opened them up you could see melted caps on the motherboard and inside the psu. Hated those P4 Optiplexes.
I just bought a hp G4 800 with a
i7-8700
Gtx 1080
32gb RAM
1TB ssd + 1TB hdd
500w
For $500. I’m praying it isn’t garbage. Comes in next week.
How is it bro
@@PIayboyNike pretty rad so far. especially for the price. fastest pc I’ve used personally even though it’s older hardware.
In my country 6th gen to 9th gen used CPU are still pretty pricey right now.
But Haswell ones are pretty cheap, buy the empty (only mobo + PSU + CPU cooler + case) for 30$ then add 40$ for an i7 4770, 25$ for 16GB RAM, and 80$ for a low profile RX 550 4GB.
BOOM, sub 200$ PC that can handle newer games (not RTX A2000 though, that's still around 380$ here lol)
Wish we could get parts cheaper than the US as our buying power are pretty crap as minimum wage on big cities are just below 350$ lmao
YES! I have this exact same setup and it is running amazing!!!
Thank you @ETAPRIME, I've followed your channel for years and I finally put this build together! I was lucky, I managed to find a seller who had the PC with 32gb RAM already installed and another seller who had the GPU 12gb version for just over £200 delivered. Playing RDR2 on a mix of high/ultra settings at 1080 resolution is a massive upgrade from playing it on my Beelink Ser5 Pro, which is still a great system for emulation and travel. Keep making great content 👍🏻
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180watt is what it can pull maximal not what it can provide to the system .. usually you Wang to have your PSU significant bigger because the best yield is usually at 50% capacity..
Moreover, other parts like voltage regulators ram and chipset drives etc po (it adds up) also consuming power
Yes. There is a "efficiency sweet spot". Why would this component power draw be a new thing when LPDDR and laptop components exist?
They are called losses.. id say at max it can deliver a somewhat pure voltage to about 153watt assuming its efficiency is 85%.
Agreed, watt pulled from PSU is not same as Watt provided to the system. But it can be use roughly. Probably the system only use 130-150w.
I just want to add - the 800 G4 (the next version of this) has a platinum rated 250w PSU. So you shouldn't reach that 80% threshold under pretty much any circumstance
What’s funny is this is what the postal service uses and we are currently upgrading to laptops. There will be thousands of these up for resale any time man. The postal service has them with 16 or 32 gb of ram depending on the model we have.
I don't suggest the Dell SFF systems past the xx10 series since they put the x16 slot right next to the PSU, so the A2000 wouldn't fit. HP has some of the best SFF systems and the Z240 is a little better option than this 800 G3 if you can find it about the same price since it has a better PSU, and I think they look a bot better too. And from the looks of it, that 7700 needs a delid.
I ran into this problem with the Optiplex 7060 and 5060 and also the HP Prodesk 600 G4. There's only a single full sized x16 slot and it can only fit a single width card due to the position of the PS. They started to do this with the 8th gen Intel SFF cases - which is one gen later than the PC in the video. It does work if the PS is taken out of the case, with a little bending of the metal and using no bracket whatsover.
I have made a hard turn in my gaming preferences recently. Instead of going for the best of the best all of the time, I have favored performance/watt. My main rig is a 13700k, 64GB RAM, and a 4080. My watt meter says my system takes 710 watts at the max, I can only assume that is a chunk of my electric bill. When you said this system takes 180 watts, that was an uppercut because my average load while in game on my 4080 alone is in the 250-ish watt range with a peak max that I have seen of 300. I am ready to take a slight downgrade in performance for massive power savings.
Its nice to see a GPU like the RTX A2000 be available for so cheap. Because this is an entry level workstation card (like the Quadro cards). It is a little slow, but it's so inexpensive, I would rather have this than RTX 3060 in my Video editing rig, Since it is much more optimised for that work. Honestly, with this card, you can make a rather pocket friendly and super reliable workstation for video editing and VFX.
It won't be fast, but it would be more stable and VFX/ editing softwares would be more stable
The PNY T600 4G is also an alternative. Not as powerful, but under $300 new. I used one with an Acer Aspire i5-4460, and had great performance.
That's what I'm using with my old HP G2 i5 4590. Plays Hogwarts just fine.
That A2000 is insane! Dude the performance out of this is incredible. 😮😅
We really do get shafted here in the UK. The A2000 is way, way more expensive here. Even the old office PC's the sellers here want too much money for them most of the time. 😕
Same, it's between 650-900 dollars here in Australia.
ETA Prime, what a coincidence, i just bought one of these like a month a go, but did not get it until like 2 weeks ago! This has never happened before, where you are reviewing a device that I also just purchased! I already have an i7-7700 cpu and two other mother boards! When I finish my set-up, I will send you pics and specs to get your opinion and suggestions to make my little ultimate gaming set-up even better! Keep up the good work!! 😎🔥❤️💯💰🌎📱💻
Remember: No vacuum on motherboard! keep it case-only to avoid major static discharge
Plastic nozzle doesn't make a difference?
Don't put your GPU in microwave oven.
I'm thinking about trying out the lowpro WX4100. Seems like a bit better than 1050ti level of performance is doable after bios tweaking but it's a little known option. Its very low power draw is an appeal too. Seems like with a bit of hunting you can snatch one up for
Just get RX 6400.
and this could be good for steamos as well bc its AMD. but like the other person said getting a rx 6400 might be easier, unless you need a lot of displays
@@toytulog576 - A 40% price bump? Defeats the purpose.
@@ruffprophetproductions @Ruff Prophet Productions I think they might be considering the WX4100 because they're cheaper on ebay. They've become pretty available like the RTX A2000 lately, but for under $100. It's obviously not as good, but saving a good $30 for around the same performance (a the 6400) isn't so bad. Plus i hear the drivers are compatible
@@ghosttheoremproductions5469 How? RX 6400 is like 150$ Brand New (just look at amazon, they sell it for 139$).. WX4100 for gaming? Nope those small blower card make a lot of noise.
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I was asking for this!!
Thx 🙇
Edit:
I have a project planned for this case 😍
Gonna turn it into an amazing console/pc/htpc 😁 with BigBox as opening!
I like it. But the mini pcs have stolen my heart lols
Damn nice. It really looks like a console (especially Xbox)
Man these r fantastic....considering my budget at the moment this seems perfect for me....since i just want to play some old pc games anyways as i own a ps5 and xbox series s....this is perfect for me
Thank you for this video. I waited this video showing how an sff pc with that rtx a2000 would perform in games.
I just got a a2000 from the exact link you have in this video. It came from Virginia, and it came with the high profile GPU bracket, and the low profile GPU bracket! I had a low profile gpu bracket 3d printed from a family member, and didn't even have to use it!
The days of getting a cheap office PC and slapping a cheap low profile GPU in them have returned!
Thanks, I can't believe I will be able to give my old PC a second wind by just changing the GPU, I was about to give up on it and wait until the end of the year to get another one.
i had to hop on the a2000 before it got crazy overpriced. this was the successor to the 1650 i was looking for!
Tip: I use an electric airmattress pump to dust out my PC. Those are cheap, easy to get and don't run out of air. Best way to do it without speninding much IMO.
I hate this guy. He makes actually want to downgrade my system, just to have something similar. ;-)
I feel the same way when he does the small builds. The a2000/5600x build was awesome.
@@M4rio21 wasn’t it just a normal 5600? A 5600x would be unnecessarily pricier.
@@rafshkim I could be wrong,but I think he said he planned for it to be a non x CPU, but when he booted it up there was a 5600x installed. I only remember because he was worried about power consumption.
@@M4rio21 ah ok. must have missed that part.
if it makes you feel better, the one i ordered from the link was defective and i had to return it. someone else in these comments also got a defective card from them.
I found a Dell 3880 mini atx 10th Gen i3, stock at a thrift store, out of box it had a 200w power supply with no 6 or 8 pin GPU dongle so I did some digging and found a factory fit Dell 500w power supply with a 6/8 pin and slipped it in there to add a dedicated GPU.
I added a m.2 SSD, 16gb 3200 DDR4 and a RX 5600.
It runs rather well, does 1080p like a boss and even some games do well at 1440p.
Love tuning these little machines like this I have a pair of mini HP Slim 260-p026 that I maxed out and added low profile RX 550 4GB cards and they do rather well for a Roblox/Minecraft box for my youngest kiddo.
I'm not a modern gamer. I have a $300 Acer laptop that does EVERYTHING I need, and for retro gaming, I have a Rasp Pi 3b+ running RetroPi on a 7" monitor, and a Retro Pocket 3 for gaming on the go (there's also an old Pocket Go handheld with a 2.4" screen I keep in the car for days when I have a lot of waiting to do. Time passes faster playing Super Mario World.) . It's all I need and does everything...
Watching your videos has me on the verge of buying a mini pc and a 24" monitor, and using my Monster S300 for sound... I don't NEED it, but it just seems so damn cool.
Will I ever play AAA games? Probably not. Almost guaranteed not. PS2 is about the height of my gaming aspirations, so I can relive the thrill of playing Shadows of the Colossus, or try Hollow Knight to get my Metroidvania fix. But thanks to these videos, all I can think about is how much better doing that would be on a Minisforum or Beelink mini computer sitting discreetly beside a crisp monitor.
So thanks for that... a new fixation has entered the building.
If you do go with the Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p or M93p SFF instead they come with a 240watt PSU. FYI I have 3 of them.
used this for reference to build my computer, i accidentally got a PC with a I-7 6700 and by the time i saw this the costs of the A2000 has raised in price, so i settled for a RTX 2070. The tower didnt have the same power supply so i had to buy one that had the connectors to power the card. but i got it with 32gb ram and a 1TB SSD so not too bad.
If I go ahead and build one of these, I think I'll wait for the low profile bracket to turn up before buying the rest, just in case there is anything wrong with the GPU or computer! Thank you for uploading this info and sharing your knowledge!
Would love to see a Batocera emulation build video on this. Xbox and PS2 ???
The a2000 is such a nice LP card. Makes me hope we get another LP low power usage card this gen. Maybe a 4050 or RTX 2000 ada.
There's the RTX 4000, which is the RTX A2000 with the new Ada Lovelace architecture.
A word of caution on these A2000s. I bought from the Amazon link in one of your original A2000 videos and while it wasn't completely DOA, it was clearly defective and had to be returned.
Yea there's obviously a reason they're so cheap. A2000s do NOT sell for $250.
mine worked great, but not everyones experience is the same. Heed dc's words. Not everyone gets lucky. If you're buying one, buy one that has a warranty attached, or one that is used by a person on ebay (i know that sounds weird, but those have been used recently in real-world environments rather than a "quality check")
Man I swear I was just looking at one of that exact model of pc used at my local State Surplus property warehouse. They had a whole pallet of the things for thirty bucks each. Honestly as a carrier for a gpu you can't beat them.
We had a lot of these at work. We had a rash of them with motherboard issues, but likely it it's made it through a few years and onto the second-hand market those have been weeded out.
Welp, this appears to have shot up in price.
i like the temperatures, this rtx is working on in such a small box
Would love to see a full emulation video on this. 👍
there's even a single slot version of that card which would of course fit in even more cases. there's also a 12 gb model becasue these were originally sold as professonal cards
Just bought em both to power my pinball setup, cheaper than the mini PCs I was looking at, and way more capable!
I had this PC with 8th gen i5 and rx6400 low profile. It was struggling to play things at 1080p low/med settings so I sold the GPU. Glad to know there's a more powerful low profile GPU out there!
T-1000 is pretty decent too lmao. Can run forspoken at 20 fps lol and Warzone 2 at ultra settings no lag.
rx6400 is known to be a sh*t gpu. Like avoid like the plague. an rx5500 is better than an rx6400. or get an rx6500. Anything but the rx6400.
I would like to see how this would perform with an OEM Mini PC using an eGPU dock. It would be perfect for a mini PC build.
You mention both an upgraded power supply and a source for the low profile bracket for the GPU. Can you provide links for those, please? Honestly, I am going to be looking for at the MTs as well. You can be more flexible in terms of graphics cards. I have a couple of 2060s laying around so this is one way I might go. But this would be a great little LINUX box as well.
Paying a little extra for an 8th gen might be worth it considering Windows 11 support, with Windows 10 EOL a little over 2 years away
You can get Windows 11 on 7th gen and lower processors, there are videos about that on RUclips. I wouldn't recommend upgrading now though. Windows 11 isn't a great OS so far, and has more bugs and issues than 10.
@@hereis_Tiff but it's not officially supported and updates aren't guaranteed
@@davidabner8885 That's true. Somehow I don't see Microsoft 'locking out' users for using Win11 on a device with a 7th gen intel processor.
The seller for the A2000's is not in China as stated in the video. The seller is the same on both eBay and Amazon and they are located in Powhatan, Virginia, United States.
I think he meant he ordered the low profile brackets from China, not the card. The card I ordered from Amazon (the link he posted) was defective so be warned. Someone else also in these comments bought from them and their card was defective. Your mileage may vary but I personally don't think the novelty is worth the hassle. Also this card doesn't support Geforce experience if that's something you like to use to tweak visuals.
Please note cpu temps are high w this one. The fan sucks and nothing really swappable. The g4 800 usually has 250w.(what I use w i7 8700) the CPU gets to 80c easy.
Pretty much the same machine with GT 1030. The 7700 are known for running very hot. But still able to play some RCPS3 games.
Hey ETA!
Wondering if you'd do a video on how you benchmark a system and possibly setup afterburner. Maybe it's more simple than worth a video. But I love what this channel does. I want to put together a list of video cards available that offer the best bang for the $$ that are low profile for unique builds. Maybe you have all of this. Anyways, this channel is addictive!
that's an incredibile GPU, the only problem is that where I'm from, the a2000 is ~ $430 second hand and the RTX 3050 is $200 brand new so it's really not worh it. I'm trying to put togheder a Dell 7040 i7 6700, pared with a 1050ti , 16gb of dd4 ram and an NVMe drive for a total of $217.
Is the 7040 sff or tower
And how much did you use for the 1050ti?
@@badmingos it's SFF, the 1050 ti was $75 in my country
@@mangopussi9432 that's an ok price for the GPU. If you want an unclean setup you could get rx580 for same price and use external psu. Though it's kind of a risk
you did good imo
Don't use vacuums. Compressor at low pressure or blower generate less static.
I just got a 705 G4 based off an earlier video. Please make a video about the risks and what to check on these used pc. My first attempt had wet dirt in it, so they tried washing it out and didn't even remove the dirt so I could identify before it shorted. Second one ripped out the wifi chip and cabling.... Along with switching a good ssd for a cheapo. Also many of the advertised 2400ge chips are swapped for a 2400g which is a mixed bag of more performance for more heat.
Lastly, I saw some videos where your performance was only around 7000 night raid, but on the same pc you would get nearly 13000 just by switching to dual channel memory which is cheap.
Just got an elitedesk g3 i7-7700 32gb ram, 512 m.2 2tb ssd for £120, plus second hand 1050i for 50£
Fingers crossed....
As other's have mentioned I would love to see higher end emulation on here.
It'll perform very well. It's granted that if that PC can run any modern triple A game like Spider Man: Miles Morades, it can definitely play any higher end emulator with great performance results.
This is pure genius!
Say what?? You can buy legit windows keys through a 3rd party? Wow thats crazy. I've been cracking for so many years I never even considered that.
i really like your small form factor builds.
When a PSU is rated for 180Watt, that's the max, output, not input. So 178 Watt pulled from the wall is kinda close, but even with a 90% efficiency, you'd still have a whooping 20 Watts of headroom.
Playnite set to boot up in fullscreen mode with Windows, the 8th gen variant of this PC and the A2000 combo, hooked up to a 75" 4k TV at the living room with all games utilizing fsr and dlss. That's the way.
the rtx 2060 outperforms the rtx A2000 and comes in at under $200 and I understand that the RTX A2000 might sound more appealing because its low profile but you can easily find a MT at around the same price as the one shown in this video
That’s completely against the whole point - having an SFF.
I sold my 8600k tower with Vega 56 and got Lenovo Thinkcentre 710s with A2000. Just swapped the PSU fan for high flow, much more silent Arctic F8, replaced stock cpu cooler with NH-L9x65, put cheap 1 TB SATA for storage I had around and done.
No cable hassle, it’s nice and silent, hidden under the top of my table.
That’s whole point of SFF.
I already made design on how to replace internals in that Lenovo with micro ITX and full size (short) GPU once it will be obsolete but it will serve for many years to come.
Just found your channel. Definitely love your content. Keep it up! Subbed
The performance of the A2000 for the price is amazing!
Hi-Fi Rush looks so amazing and fun!!!!!!!! Gotta pick it up ASAP!!
I would love to see nobara Linux on it. I’ve recently tried nobara on a similar speced rog gaming laptop and I was impressed.
That's a distro I don't recall ever hearing about. Is it an uncommon one?
@@FL4SHK Nobara is a newer fedora offshoot for gaming. It's like a newer take on PopOS if you know what Popos is.
@@BriantDavis78 Ah, I see
you know you must worry if CPU usage about the same with the GPU usage,
but yeah if you're on budget, sure this is good deal that you can get around $500-$600 in total
I picked up the EliteDesk 800 G3 i7-6700 and threw in a GTX 1650 low profile. That's my kids gaming PC. They got a boot drive upgrade to NVME from my old Gen 3 and 2x8gb ddr4 3200 (i know it can't use it at that speed) ram that I upgraded
Just ordered such a HP PC with i3 8100, 16gb ram and 256gb ssd for just 99€ and a used A2000 6gb for 199€. I'll try to run Steam OS on it. Just a fun project PC for me. My main rig is stronger.
I got one for HTPC and some light gaming in the Living Room!!
Prices in the UK for computer stuff is ridiculous compared to the US
Found two optiplexes for 40 bucks. Gonna build one for my sis and me.
managed to get the same pc for $75 will def add a dedicated GPU
These machines with same specs are almost £150 / 200 if you are not willing to put some work into it on ebay.
I purchased i7 6700, 16 gigs and 256 ssd hp sff £75 and thats the lowest i could for this specs
just did a g4 build with an 8500 and an rx 6400. been playing everything i throw a it like a champ
One potential downside I see is that I like to use sff pc as media/emulator/console replacement so I like to have hdmi
You can always get an adapter for it idk how much they cost or how well they work though
@@zk0rned some functions do not work over adapters or work really bad, like audio, Ethernet, HDMI CEC, etc
@@kirle5455 any display port labeled ++ should be pretty much indistinguishable from HDMI with respect to audio and video. You won't get arc or cec, but that's one of the compromises you make for saving a buck by buying used parts.
5:00 Upgrades
i just bought a Dell OptiPlex 9020 Small Form Computer Desktop PC, Intel Core i7 3.4GHz Processor, 32GB Ram, 1 TB Solid State, Wireless Keyboard & Mouse, Wi-Fi & Bluetooth, HDMI, Windows 10 Pro (Renewed) for $200
would a LP NVIDIA RTX A2000 6GB work in this rig
I dont need 2k or 4k or 8k. 1440p is a perk if I have the hardware. 1080p is more than sufficient for me and it also reduces the strain if I run ray tracing.
Great but what’s the longevity of this build? Not that the tower can’t be easily replaced.
ive had mine since february. its still alive and well.
I'm looking for a system that can run Baldurs Gate 3....I will look into this!!!
Sadly is impossible to get hardware that price in Argentina, even used. I'd love to make something like this to put behind the TV to have it plugged-in to do some light gaming in the couch.