Turnabout Goodbyes has a lot of great things about it, but I feel the problem is that it is apparent it is the first final case they’ve done. The case is rather simple in its narrative/thematic complexity. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but in comparison to future cases and the layers they go, it leaves this case being rather surface level in many areas. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t add additional layers, especially in regards to Edgeworth and Maya, but imo other cases do even better in demonstrating and advancing their stories. And there are moments where the story does slack and has its stupid moments. And Manfred, as entertaining he is, he is kind of lackluster besides his perfectionist gimmick and I do prefer other antagonists with more depth than him. And I do think the witnesses and the characters they chose besides Yogi can get irritating. They do lead to some good moments, but they could’ve been more than the sum of their parts. But once again still an amazing case that brings the best out of its main cast. Besides done narrative hiccups/clunkiness, it is a phenomenal case to end the first game.
I guess he didn’t have anywhere else to leave miles? But even then gregory still would’ve died and it would’ve been the same except miles wouldn’t think he killed his own father.
@@Froggycolouring I think they mean that there was a chance Manfred wouldn't kill Gregory if Miles wasn't there. Bc when Miles threw the gun and shot Manfred, mixed with his angry of not having a perfect record anymore and now having a bullet in his shoulder, he decided to shoot Gregory. It is true that we don't know what would happen if Miles wasn't there tho.
@@PumpKinnii_ why would he be standing outside an elevator with a gun in the first place though? I feel like he was going to kill regardless because of his perfect record being ruined…
This case recently entered that absolute highest upper echelon of cases with 2-4, 3-5, and G2-5 for me. It is the birth of everything that truly made me obsessed with Ace Attorney in the first place. Issues like the sometimes odd pacing, slightly annoying investigations, whatever, don't matter at all to me because they're so hugely overshadowed by how incredibly strong the core story about Phoenix, Larry, and Edgeworth is. I don't need or want the plot to be super intricate or heady with all these connecting elements, all that matters is the strength of the emotion, and this case lands emotion harder than even 3-5. This game did an "overarching plot" better than any AA game after it for that reason. All the elements in the story that are established earlier and paid off in this case are emotional, not just plot based. Every emotional beat in this case just lands so fucking hard and leaves you in tears by the end. Manfred is also ridiculously underrated as an easy top 3 villain. You don't need a tragic backstory to be a compelling villain. Manfred really is just perfect.
Хм... Я никогда даже ведь и не думал почему Гроссберг был у озера тогда... Это звучит так логично. Мне нравится эта теория. Хотелось бы посмотреть как выглядил их диалог
Turnabout goodbyes is my favorite case in all of Ace attorney. It's one of the only moments in any ace attorney where I felt like I was just making things up and they turned out to be true just be coincidence. It was hilarious but climactic and I think it's amazing
Despite me first playing this on a slow emulator, I loved it, the suprised of Edgeworth in the intro, DL-6, the class trial, the parrot, and Yanni Yogi. And it lets me present my badge two times!!! I have the DL-6 theme as my alarm. Manfred was perfect, it was the first time in the game I felt fear, I never had lost once, which I continued that streak after beating 1-4 first try, but the man not only wouldn’t let me speak, but it had the ballistic markings that got me, I litterally said, “WHAT IS THAT?!”
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I agree that its one of the weakest final cases in the series. (definitely the weakest in the original trilogy.) but that doesn't stop it from being my third favorite case right behind the resolve of Ryunosuke Naruhodo, and farewell my turnabout.
at the start I thought they were just annoying witness/potential murders but at the end i saw they were like the last force agaisn't the actual murder and I respected them
Right lotta is lowkey annoying af , but seeing angel and marshall as detectives and then being witnesses and then marshall being disguised as the victim was so crazy, when I thought the characters were finally done with they just came back again
Turnabout Goodbyes has a lot of great things about it, but I feel the problem is that it is apparent it is the first final case they’ve done. The case is rather simple in its narrative/thematic complexity. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but in comparison to future cases and the layers they go, it leaves this case being rather surface level in many areas. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t add additional layers, especially in regards to Edgeworth and Maya, but imo other cases do even better in demonstrating and advancing their stories.
And there are moments where the story does slack and has its stupid moments. And Manfred, as entertaining he is, he is kind of lackluster besides his perfectionist gimmick and I do prefer other antagonists with more depth than him.
And I do think the witnesses and the characters they chose besides Yogi can get irritating. They do lead to some good moments, but they could’ve been more than the sum of their parts.
But once again still an amazing case that brings the best out of its main cast. Besides done narrative hiccups/clunkiness, it is a phenomenal case to end the first game.
SHU TAKUMI.
REVEAL WHY GROSSBERG WAS AT THE BOATHOUSE, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
his hemorrhoids, duh
he was?? I need to replay trilogy asap
God of War reference, nice
He shits in the lake
The whole Ace Attorney plot, if Gregory didn't took a kid to the freaking court without any reason: 📉📉📉
It was bring your kid to work day
or if he just, oh I don't know, took the stairs 🙃
I guess he didn’t have anywhere else to leave miles? But even then gregory still would’ve died and it would’ve been the same except miles wouldn’t think he killed his own father.
@@Froggycolouring I think they mean that there was a chance Manfred wouldn't kill Gregory if Miles wasn't there. Bc when Miles threw the gun and shot Manfred, mixed with his angry of not having a perfect record anymore and now having a bullet in his shoulder, he decided to shoot Gregory. It is true that we don't know what would happen if Miles wasn't there tho.
@@PumpKinnii_ why would he be standing outside an elevator with a gun in the first place though? I feel like he was going to kill regardless because of his perfect record being ruined…
The boat shop owner literally getting the day of the murder wrong and I’m not allowed to object to it 😭
i hate when there are two or more ways to object about a testimony but the game only allow a very specific one
@@samuelbarros1563 FACTS
Ace attorney characters not coming up with DL-6 incident for the 10000th time. (Impossible)
Du, du du du... dudu du du du du duuu du du
Is grossberg just not allowed to take a walk
Yes 👍
@@hombojimbo maybe thats why he doesnt show up anymore
Have you seen how big he is? That man does NOT just walk
@@spacegirlsgf * is grossberg just not allowed to take a roll
GROSSBERG AND YOGI ARE LOVERS!!!!!
This case recently entered that absolute highest upper echelon of cases with 2-4, 3-5, and G2-5 for me. It is the birth of everything that truly made me obsessed with Ace Attorney in the first place.
Issues like the sometimes odd pacing, slightly annoying investigations, whatever, don't matter at all to me because they're so hugely overshadowed by how incredibly strong the core story about Phoenix, Larry, and Edgeworth is.
I don't need or want the plot to be super intricate or heady with all these connecting elements, all that matters is the strength of the emotion, and this case lands emotion harder than even 3-5. This game did an "overarching plot" better than any AA game after it for that reason. All the elements in the story that are established earlier and paid off in this case are emotional, not just plot based. Every emotional beat in this case just lands so fucking hard and leaves you in tears by the end.
Manfred is also ridiculously underrated as an easy top 3 villain. You don't need a tragic backstory to be a compelling villain. Manfred really is just perfect.
what do you think of the final three cases of investigations 2
Grossberg thought the boat rental shop guy was yani. Thats what I always thought
Хм... Я никогда даже ведь и не думал почему Гроссберг был у озера тогда...
Это звучит так логично. Мне нравится эта теория.
Хотелось бы посмотреть как выглядил их диалог
Turnabout goodbyes is my favorite case in all of Ace attorney. It's one of the only moments in any ace attorney where I felt like I was just making things up and they turned out to be true just be coincidence. It was hilarious but climactic and I think it's amazing
If 1-5 isnt in S+++ i will kneel down and cry
1-5 is easily the most divisive case in the series. For as many people that love it, there are just as many that hate it.
@@dimentiorules KNEEELLLL DOWN AND CRYYYY I WILL I SWEAR ITS THE BEST CASE IN THE ENTIRE TRILOGY AGAHGGHGHGHHGHGH
@@dimentiorules I think it's a really good case, I just don't like how it takes Turnabout Goodbyes' place as the ending of the first game.
@@gaspin4048 1-5 is easily one my favorite but 3-5 felt so much better
@@samuelbarros1563 imo 3-5 was all over the place. Cool case but i forgot so much of how the case actually went due to it being INSANELY complicated.
This is one of my favorite cases. I mean this is the first I’ve seen Phoenix cross-examining his other species.
Despite me first playing this on a slow emulator, I loved it, the suprised of Edgeworth in the intro, DL-6, the class trial, the parrot, and Yanni Yogi. And it lets me present my badge two times!!! I have the DL-6 theme as my alarm. Manfred was perfect, it was the first time in the game I felt fear, I never had lost once, which I continued that streak after beating 1-4 first try, but the man not only wouldn’t let me speak, but it had the ballistic markings that got me, I litterally said, “WHAT IS THAT?!”
BUT WHAT WAS GROSSBERG DOING AT THE BOATHOUSE
PLOT TWIST: IT WAS DON TIGRE DISGUISED AS GROSSBERG
It's been a whole minute and there is no explanation in the pinned comment yet. Time to get bro cancelled for clickbait
Manfred is still perfect and has a more menacing aura than later final boss like queen gahran
Manfred is baby
No.
Bro is ANCIENT
Von Karma no!
Well, technically, the "most important" case in the franchise is AAI2 2-3
The case that made me like edgeworth
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The fourth case from Investigations 2 (I forget the name) is probably my personal favorite ngl.
Grossberg was looking for his hemorrhoids meds.
A tier?? That's absolutely crazy! It's easily SSS++++ TIER
I agree that its one of the weakest final cases in the series. (definitely the weakest in the original trilogy.) but that doesn't stop it from being my third favorite case right behind the resolve of Ryunosuke Naruhodo, and farewell my turnabout.
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I always preferred rise from the ashes purely because the side characters i enjoyed more.
Cowboy and lunch detective > lotta hart
I always forget those guys exist, I don't know why.
at the start I thought they were just annoying witness/potential murders but at the end i saw they were like the last force agaisn't the actual murder and I respected them
Right lotta is lowkey annoying af , but seeing angel and marshall as detectives and then being witnesses and then marshall being disguised as the victim was so crazy, when I thought the characters were finally done with they just came back again
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This dude gives the most ass rankings
*_Ay, yo! Leave ma boi Grossyburger alone!_*