I find that when somebody else is teaching and I think they've missed important rules, the best thing to do is to just ask for a clarification from the teacher. You don't want to be the person that butts in with "here's what happens if both people play negotiate." But if you think that's important to cover and find that the teacher glossed over it, you can just politely ask "remind me what happens if we *both* play negotiate?" The teacher should already be prepared to answer questions, and it's easy to frame this as an honest question, like "I remember most of the rules but I actually forgot what happens in this edge case" - this way nobody gets a bruised ego. If somebody interrupts my teach, I agree that letting it happen can be the best option. I like to explicitly mention that board games are best taught by a single voice, but then I like to offer for the interrupting player to take over *as* that voice. If they oblige, I feel that I've set them up for success because nobody else will interrupt them. If they decline, it feels less like I've shut them down and more like I gave them the choice
It took me a while to get comfortable doing it, but when we've got too many cooks in the kitchen, I will address it directly. "It can very confusing to learn a new game, and even harder if several people are teaching it to you at the same time..." I will usually study and practice a teach, especially with the heavy games. The people who tend to interrupt are usually not the prepared type, and will offer too many details/edge-cases or do it in a confusing way. So if you're honest about why you want to handle it alone, there usually won't be any hurt feelings. That being said, I taught Scythe one time, and one person was 100% in tune with me. Somehow he and I improvised what appeared to be a perfectly choreographed teach. He could tell the direction I was going, and the fidelity I wanted. It was magical. And I don't even like Scythe.
I do my best never to override another person's teach. But if they forget something, I'll kindly throw out, "what happens if..." so they can loop it into their teach.
As the old saying goes, "Common sense ain't common." My biggest problem when teaching games to my group is when players decide to have too many side conversations, then decide the rules teach is taking too long and say "let's just start playing", then later say "I didn't know that!" To which I usually reply, "I said it 3 times and told you it was important." The players who were listening proceed to nod their heads in agreement.
Great video! It's true that the advice, "Work on being as considerate and mature as possible at all times," might sound boring and obvious, but as I get older (and older, and older) I increasingly find that's just the advice that speaks to so many problems. Great haircut, by the way.
My number 1 rule is teach the game as you play after a brief overview. The first game will always be a learning experience, even if you read the entire rulebook aloud.
I find that when somebody else is teaching and I think they've missed important rules, the best thing to do is to just ask for a clarification from the teacher. You don't want to be the person that butts in with "here's what happens if both people play negotiate." But if you think that's important to cover and find that the teacher glossed over it, you can just politely ask "remind me what happens if we *both* play negotiate?" The teacher should already be prepared to answer questions, and it's easy to frame this as an honest question, like "I remember most of the rules but I actually forgot what happens in this edge case" - this way nobody gets a bruised ego.
If somebody interrupts my teach, I agree that letting it happen can be the best option. I like to explicitly mention that board games are best taught by a single voice, but then I like to offer for the interrupting player to take over *as* that voice. If they oblige, I feel that I've set them up for success because nobody else will interrupt them. If they decline, it feels less like I've shut them down and more like I gave them the choice
That's a great way to do it!
It took me a while to get comfortable doing it, but when we've got too many cooks in the kitchen, I will address it directly. "It can very confusing to learn a new game, and even harder if several people are teaching it to you at the same time..."
I will usually study and practice a teach, especially with the heavy games. The people who tend to interrupt are usually not the prepared type, and will offer too many details/edge-cases or do it in a confusing way. So if you're honest about why you want to handle it alone, there usually won't be any hurt feelings.
That being said, I taught Scythe one time, and one person was 100% in tune with me. Somehow he and I improvised what appeared to be a perfectly choreographed teach. He could tell the direction I was going, and the fidelity I wanted. It was magical. And I don't even like Scythe.
I do my best never to override another person's teach. But if they forget something, I'll kindly throw out, "what happens if..." so they can loop it into their teach.
I don’t have this problem. I’m the only one who ever bothers to read and learn the rules 😅
Haha, that's one way to deal with it!
way to go - full Zorg!
Been growing my hair out as well, pushback is unfortunately the natural reaction for a lot of people. Don't let them get to you!
Haha, thanks!
As the old saying goes, "Common sense ain't common."
My biggest problem when teaching games to my group is when players decide to have too many side conversations, then decide the rules teach is taking too long and say "let's just start playing", then later say "I didn't know that!" To which I usually reply, "I said it 3 times and told you it was important." The players who were listening proceed to nod their heads in agreement.
happens in a classroom too. and its always the same kids saying i dont remember you saying that
Great video! It's true that the advice, "Work on being as considerate and mature as possible at all times," might sound boring and obvious, but as I get older (and older, and older) I increasingly find that's just the advice that speaks to so many problems.
Great haircut, by the way.
Thanks!
I actually like the hair
It switched sides
Thanks!
@@timoseppa9124 It did. More volume on this side.
@@RTFM You're a good sport. Love the videos.
Big Gary Oldman 5th Element Vibes
4:35 This was precisely what I was thinking about the whole video 😀
Anyway, take any hair cut you like, and make it pink violet if you want to.
I think on Tabletop Simulator this is even more of a challenge if expectations aren't set right. Too many voices over a PC game can be very stressful
Definitely agree with that!
In our group we call this the"over voice" rule
Ok Shea, which friend just did this to you? Lol
Haha, I actually had a line in the script about this that I ended up cutting. Suffice it to say I see this all the time.
Wow, a BDG reference at the end of this fantastic video?? I think it's time to go jorting.
You gotta be so careful though. Do not get blood on the jorts.
I vote snack!
My number 1 rule is teach the game as you play after a brief overview. The first game will always be a learning experience, even if you read the entire rulebook aloud.
Also, if you’re going to grow out your hair, do it all or nothing!
Why, is it your hair. Can he not choose what style HIS hair is in?
@@Germancamel nope. He must conform to my whims! Thank you.