I've been meaning to get into Koala. Since the new update, I think I need to finally invest in it. I'll be relying on your videos to help me understand it.
I feel like for those who are just getting into using a 404MK2, this feature is kinda GOATED cause it's dumb easy to make beats in Koala Sampler lol. Super dope!
Yeah…but it depends on your setup. I have all my audio going into the SP and Out the SP. The usb-c works amazingly. I use the headphones output on the front to send the sound to my Bluetooth speaker.
@@lpn369 it’s a learning curve to it for sure. Once you get it though you got it. Takes time and practice. If you’re looking for an easy workflow it’s probably best to just look elsewhere.
How is the bank select working to change the displayed bank page is this some sort of API only recognising the 404 ? These are not midi mappable as far as I can see.
@@TheChameleon2008 shame but I understand it however if this is a feature only available to the 404 will mean bespoke controllers would always be less intuitive to use 😟
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 yeah not disparaging Marek at all what you can map on a variety of controllers is excellent and in general the software is the best value for money of anything I have seen of it's type. However I guess I am just thinking of those folks who could use the bank page switch mechanism on a cheaper controller, those that buy a 404 won't be just buying it as a Koala controller and not everyone can afford a 404 mkII. Wouldn't have hurt to let us have a way to trigger or map that. Unless I am missing something.
For me it feels kind of redundant pairing SP with Koala, you can do pretty much everything on the SP alone. Only 2 things that are valuable for pairing (at least for me) is stem separation, and sidechaining/mixer, and even doing that, I can just separate the stems on koala, then resample into SP, and for sidechaining I can just run the Koala sound thru the SP without pairing it, just using the SP as the audio interface or using my iPad 3.5mm audio out into the SP. Even when pairing, using the SP as a controller is more of a downside (besides finger drumming, and even that, if you hit a blank button you will start recording or a tab is gonna open making it more of a nuisance to use) as it is way easier to just use the huge ass tactile screen your tablet/phone has to change between tabs and changing parameters. I love that Roland and Koala teamed up for this but at least for now I’m only sticking with resampling all I do on the SP into Koala for the mixer, running into my SP for MFX, pretty much.
Well i understand your feelings. It’s nice to have the options though. I mean imagine starting in Koala when you don’t have your SP. Then finishing on the SP or vice versa. I enjoy Koala for the easy chopping and editing. However the SP has a ton of other things that make me love it too. So why choose. Get the best of both worlds!
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 right! Don’t get me wrong, I’m talking purely about the controller mode, SP and iPad with Koala are always in my backpack when I go out to jam or when traveling, both options are strong and when you mix them up is crazy good.
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 maybe I didn’t say it right. Using a midi controller I mapped the start/end to 2 nobs on that controller. I wonder if you can do the same using the 404 my mapping them. You did very well explanation that it’s not added. I thinking a work around.
@@newroricanI’m looking for a work around too but I don’t think there is one. Mainly because when you’re looking at the screen, you’re supposed to be looking at the koala screen in order to change the start and then points on sample. Kinda wish it was deeper integration where you could see the wave form from koala on the sp screen
Does this still have it where you can sample into koala thru the USB-C to lightning connection? I used to accidentally start recording when the sample tab was open and tapped onto a 404 pad before this new update.
I have a question. What is scrolling the beginning and end of a sample like when using the SP with Koala? Is there a way to do a slow scroll like on the MPC sample chopper? All my controllers work with Koala in a weird way that moves the start and end points in a box rather than shortening / lengthening the sample. I hope someone has some insight
My FOMO made me almost buy a 404 MKII but after seeing them video's i really dont know if it will be worth the 450 euro since working on the ipad it self it already pretty streamlined
Yeah I feel you but only Koala has that. SP can record with a set measurement. Also you can always export the stems and then you won’t have to edit them.
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 i mean they are promoting this integration like its something new, but most of it you could already do by using the SP as an ios interface and midi map to koala i believe. Perhaps I need to play with it to find out its true strength.
I haven't tried this yet and I don't have koala sampler but if it makes it easy to boumce projects back between my phone and the sampler that could be really useful when I have a long wait, no gear, and want to lay down some idess
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I've been meaning to get into Koala. Since the new update, I think I need to finally invest in it. I'll be relying on your videos to help me understand it.
You won't be disappointed. It's so powerful. Sampling and fine editing is amazing with a touch/zoom screen.
Yeah it’s worth it.
Great investment 😅
Bru it's 5 bucks or 15 with all the features. 404 is $500... Invest
😂
Get it bro
It's fantastic
@@pascaljean2333 I know. I will. 😩
it triggers the file menu because that’s what it does when there’s no sample in koala. you probably have the pass set to import
I feel like for those who are just getting into using a 404MK2, this feature is kinda GOATED cause it's dumb easy to make beats in Koala Sampler lol. Super dope!
I agree with you.
Thanks for the rundown, I’m still on the 404sx but this is cool to see
SX is niceee too
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 I just picked up a second one for super cheap. It’s “mono” (aka broken) 😂
So my question…is all of the audio from both still going thru the SP when connected thru just headphones when it’s just the iPad and SP?
Yeah…but it depends on your setup. I have all my audio going into the SP and Out the SP. The usb-c works amazingly. I use the headphones output on the front to send the sound to my Bluetooth speaker.
its just way too much going on with that 404ll
@@lpn369 it’s a learning curve to it for sure. Once you get it though you got it. Takes time and practice. If you’re looking for an easy workflow it’s probably best to just look elsewhere.
Can you edit chop points in koala using the sp's knobs? I like using lazy chop but almost always need to readjust chop points.
@@Marcos-bx8oy unfortunately Roland didn’t map those
How is the bank select working to change the displayed bank page is this some sort of API only recognising the 404 ? These are not midi mappable as far as I can see.
indeed because marek and roland worked together to make this happen so its more then just normal midi
@@TheChameleon2008 shame but I understand it however if this is a feature only available to the 404 will mean bespoke controllers would always be less intuitive to use 😟
@@gwilkinson418 yea guess so and thats why ill stick to my MPD218 for now.
Roland worked with Marek. So this a special feature for the SP. However Marek has made most of the feature’s mappable with other controllers.
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 yeah not disparaging Marek at all what you can map on a variety of controllers is excellent and in general the software is the best value for money of anything I have seen of it's type. However I guess I am just thinking of those folks who could use the bank page switch mechanism on a cheaper controller, those that buy a 404 won't be just buying it as a Koala controller and not everyone can afford a 404 mkII. Wouldn't have hurt to let us have a way to trigger or map that. Unless I am missing something.
For me it feels kind of redundant pairing SP with Koala, you can do pretty much everything on the SP alone. Only 2 things that are valuable for pairing (at least for me) is stem separation, and sidechaining/mixer, and even doing that, I can just separate the stems on koala, then resample into SP, and for sidechaining I can just run the Koala sound thru the SP without pairing it, just using the SP as the audio interface or using my iPad 3.5mm audio out into the SP.
Even when pairing, using the SP as a controller is more of a downside (besides finger drumming, and even that, if you hit a blank button you will start recording or a tab is gonna open making it more of a nuisance to use) as it is way easier to just use the huge ass tactile screen your tablet/phone has to change between tabs and changing parameters.
I love that Roland and Koala teamed up for this but at least for now I’m only sticking with resampling all I do on the SP into Koala for the mixer, running into my SP for MFX, pretty much.
Well i understand your feelings. It’s nice to have the options though. I mean imagine starting in Koala when you don’t have your SP. Then finishing on the SP or vice versa. I enjoy Koala for the easy chopping and editing. However the SP has a ton of other things that make me love it too. So why choose. Get the best of both worlds!
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 right! Don’t get me wrong, I’m talking purely about the controller mode, SP and iPad with Koala are always in my backpack when I go out to jam or when traveling, both options are strong and when you mix them up is crazy good.
@@elsatira facts on facts
I haven’t tried yet but I wonder if you can midi map (learn) the nobs for the start and end points of a sample? Of course while in koala mode.
That hasn’t been added yet.
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 maybe I didn’t say it right. Using a midi controller I mapped the start/end to 2 nobs on that controller. I wonder if you can do the same using the 404 my mapping them. You did very well explanation that it’s not added. I thinking a work around.
@@newroricanI’m looking for a work around too but I don’t think there is one. Mainly because when you’re looking at the screen, you’re supposed to be looking at the koala screen in order to change the start and then points on sample. Kinda wish it was deeper integration where you could see the wave form from koala on the sp screen
@@supermcfly100 yes, I wasn’t talking about the screen on the sp. I’ll test it out. I’ll get back to everyone.
Does this still have it where you can sample into koala thru the USB-C to lightning connection? I used to accidentally start recording when the sample tab was open and tapped onto a 404 pad before this new update.
Yes
Great question. Yes. You can use all the other banks to sample from Koala into the SP.
NIce tips and demo
Thank you
I have a question. What is scrolling the beginning and end of a sample like when using the SP with Koala? Is there a way to do a slow scroll like on the MPC sample chopper?
All my controllers work with Koala in a weird way that moves the start and end points in a box rather than shortening / lengthening the sample.
I hope someone has some insight
It’s currently not an option that SP404 Mkii has mapped.
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 so sad ):
Can you use the SP filters and effects while in Koala? Will they play through the SP outputs?
You can pass Koala sound through SP fx and use Koala FX into SP. You can send it back and forth.
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 okay that’s pretty sweet! Thanks
My FOMO made me almost buy a 404 MKII but after seeing them video's i really dont know if it will be worth the 450 euro since working on the ipad it self it already pretty streamlined
If you’re getting it just for the iPad then no. If you’re buying it for standalone then it’s worthy.
They should integrate it so you could copy samples from on to the other without having to record and set end points manually.
Oh, like, if you don't truncate the sample in Koala/SP?
Yeah I feel you but only Koala has that. SP can record with a set measurement. Also you can always export the stems and then you won’t have to edit them.
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 i mean they are promoting this integration like its something new, but most of it you could already do by using the SP as an ios interface and midi map to koala i believe. Perhaps I need to play with it to find out its true strength.
I haven't tried this yet and I don't have koala sampler but if it makes it easy to boumce projects back between my phone and the sampler that could be really useful when I have a long wait, no gear, and want to lay down some idess
That’s the cool part!
Doesn’t Koala work as a AUv3 in controller mode ?
You have to use it in standalone or IAA.
@@bjamminsincebirth3494actually it works in AUM you just have to manually map everything but it is possible.
have you find a way to sync Koala with the Pattern from the SP404?
When you say sync are you referring to Midi Sync? If so, what would be the use case for that?
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 sync between Koala and Sp404 Patterns. when i have a song in Koala and i will use it in sync with a Sp404 Pattern.