The Flood's greatest mistake - and how it might affect Halo: Infinite
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2018
- We take a look at the Flood, the major mistakes they make in Halo 3, and how it might affect Halo Infinite.
All that and more on today's Halo Lore video!
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"Coincidence?
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There is actually a relatively simple answer to this question: After the Keyship left, High Charity lost ALL its power. So, in order to keep High Charity powered, the Gravemind brought as many cruisers, carriers, and supercarriers into the City as he could to keep the station online by basically plugging them in to the City's primary systems. Given how powerful a single Keyship is, that would probably be HUNDREDS of Covenant ships. So, when you take into account High Charity's astronomical power requirements AND the fact that the Elite and Brute ships were slagging every Flood ship they could find, it's not too far of a stretch to say that the Gravemind may have been able to spare 1 CCS Battlecruiser.
That's a really good point. Id bet that the gravemind wouldn't spare too many ships even if he could, since all would be lost if he didn't focus on the most important threat.
@@VainerCactus0 Thats assuming it had one and it would power the whole ship. Assuming that, if they glassed the whole plantet, it would probably be more of a hinderance than helpful, sense losing the planey means less bio for later, and doesnt help it achieve its immediate goal or long term goal. Just my thoughts.
@VanierCactus 0 Smaller craft didn't have slipspace drives and the Gravemind was short on time as it was. Had he arrived 5 minutes later, the Halo Array would have successfully fired.
Additionally, High Charity would have had far fewer space vessels than normal due to the great schism, during which Brutes and Elites were scrambling to secure and control as many ships as possible for their forces.
Except this point is completely voided when you realize High Charity had TONS of Forerunner power cells all over it..Literally every where. Thousands.
He wouldn't of had to use a SINGLE Covenant cruiser due to all the Forerunner artifacts that just lied around High Charity, being celebrated and more.
You shoud do a collab with HiddenXperia and Halo Canon
I'd be down to see a colab with HiddenXpira,
HaloFollower tho? Ehhh...
@@TheDonDidNothingWrong ahh, I supposed to write Halo Canon because Ecks already did a collab with Halo Follower about UNSC Infinity
Eck and Xperia could provide the content, while HaloFollower could make the 25 minutes of filler.
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I’m honestly curious if the Flood will appear in Halo Infinite. They’ve been reintroduced in Halo Wars 2, so the question is will they be the main focus in this game?
I think the flood could be the force that panspermiated the galaxy just so they can later feed upon it
I'd really love the chance to find out more about Precursor History\Tech\Society, so I'm hoping the flood do make a reappearance. To be honest though, I only enjoyed fighting the flood in Halo. 2 and 3 just didn't do the flood right imo.
@@PenguinApple They technically did.
The precursors became the flood, and they seeded both Humanity and the Forerunners (The Forerunner trilogy goes into the actual full war between the Humans/Forerunners and Precursors+Flood sort of stuff.
Tigerstorm 6 they have to be, zeta halo has a long history with the flood, if they don’t, then it will be a wasted opportunity
If the theories about "the Created" being connected to the Logic Plague are accurate, I wouldn't be surprised.
The flood did almost infect Earth, if not for the Fleet of Retribution glassing half of Africa.
What if instead of a CCS cruiser a Flood fleet with 9 CSS cruiser and a CAS carrier crashed on Earth
This was only a mistake in hindsight. There was no point in sparing ships when final victory was near at hand. The UNSC and Covenant Separatists could have contained any small scale Flood outbreak on Earth or Mars, just like they contain an entire CCS cruiser's worth in Voi. The Halo Array presumably had plenty of redundancy because it's always presented as a galactic threat, and even if it didn't and the Gravemind sent out some small ships' worth of flood, they're left with feral flood forms, which will eventually be found and glassed, so what's the purpose there? Those already exist. Above all, the Gravemind wanted to stop the firing of the Halo Array, then it would be largely unstoppable. It didn't know about installation 04B until it was revealed by 343 Guilty Spark, nor did it know what was happening on the Ark until it passed through the portal. The last thing the Gravemind knew was that a small fleet went in pursuit of Truth. The Gravemind took all of its forces through the portal to help achieve victory. It would have been reckless to assume that the small anti-Covenant fleet would be able to stop the firing of the array by itself, and it would have been entirely pointless to send out small groups of Flood that could be eventually contained. Hell, even the CCS cruiser that was sent to Voi was probably a mistake.
You're saying that the Gravemind committed too many of its forced to the Ark, but even the forces it did commit weren't enough.
Yeah, the flood literally had no choice but to side with Chief and the Arbiter to stop the firing of the Halo arrays in time. The flood took a massive gamble sending all their forces to the Ark which ultimately failed.
The Flood want as much biomass as they can get so if 8/9 of the galaxy is devoid of life then there is less food for the flood to consume.
>You're saying that the Gravemind committed too many of its forced to the Ark, but even the forces it did commit weren't enough.
But they were. Flood were able to stop Truth from firing the rings with the help of Chief and Arbiter.
He still should have sent a couple of pore pods to neighbouring planets.
@@awsomebot1 There was no reason to assume that Truth's fleet would have already been destroyed upon his arrival. The UNSC-Separatist fleet was a third the size of the Covenant fleet. The UNSC and Separatist forces could have easily been largely destroyed by the time the Flood arrived on the ring.
The forces he sent were also not enough to stop the Master Chief and the Arbiter from destroying High Charity and activating Instillation 04B.
What does sending some spore pods to neighboring planets actually gain the Flood? The UNSC and Separatists already succeed in containing an entire CCS Battlecruiser's worth of Flood.
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>The forces he sent were also not enough to stop the Master Chief and the Arbiter from destroying High Charity and activating Instillation 04B.
But this wouldn't be a problem if he hadn't sent all of his forces. If he kept some of the Flood forces anywhere else in the galaxy, the activation of Installation 04B would not be the end of Flood
>What does sending some spore pods to neighboring planets actually gain the Flood? The UNSC and Separatists already succeed in containing an entire CCS Battlecruiser's worth of Flood.
Currently Flood spores are very over powered in the Halo canon. Based on what we know about them, he could have sent spores on some planet and withhold the infection until enough people were infected by the spores. At which point the infection would "activate" and turn into an epidemic that isn't just localized in single African city.
The only reason spores weren't a problem on Earth after Halo 3 is because, canonically (I believe), the glassing Mombasa got rid of them before they were able to reach anywhere else.
@@awsomebot1 >But this wouldn't be a problem if he hadn't sent all of his forces. If he kept some of the Flood forces anywhere else in the galaxy, the activation of Installation 04B would not be the end of Flood
It would still be a massive problem. The flood would then be without a Gravemind, only now there would be some random feral flood forms in the middle of nowhere, waiting to be destroyed, which already exist throughout the galaxy. What do they stand to gain by having some feral Flood in the middle of nowhere?
>Currently Flood spores are very over powered in the Halo canon.
I'm very skeptical of this. There's only one instance where we've seen someone be infected by aerial Flood spores in Halo. The other time, they're infected by a bite from a combat form. That's it. On the other hand, we've got numerous instances of creatures breathing Flood spores and surviving.
>Based on what we know about them, he could have sent spores on some planet and withhold the infection until enough people were infected by the spores. At which point the infection would "activate" and turn into an epidemic that isn't just localized in single African city.
Even if the Gravemind sent some flood spores to a planet, if that planet was populated, the slip-space rupture would be detected and the dispersal pod would be destroyed or contained. If the planet was unpopulated or populated by non-sentient lifeforms, you've got some worthless feral flood.
>The only reason spores weren't a problem on Earth after Halo 3 is because, canonically (I believe), the glassing Mombasa got rid of them before they were able to reach anywhere else.
Yes, but where would they send Flood Spores where they wouldn't get nuked, glassed, or otherwise destroyed?
The flood could have easily grown to a galactic level threat in the Human-Covenant War if, after having controlled High Charity, it sent one ship at random to any habitable planets in surrounding space as they did when they sent their first ship in Halo 3 to New Mombasa. In decades, they would consume life and grow in strength, albeit with less technology as they did in the Forerunner Flood War.
Maybe they did...Halo 6?
Ok 343k subs and you upload a halo vid?how odd
I voted for this video so many damn times you don't even know bro
So this is my understanding and it’s only mentioned once in the game, (when the elites drop down in the pods on flood gate), the rest I had to read in the lore... so here goes!
The high charity defence fleet was in disarray due to the schism, the gravemind used this to his advantage to insert himself onto high charity, quickly consuming the inhabitants. Now the sanghelea were aware of this and had already begun glassing the halos surface of infection and were now preparing to quarantine high charity with a blockade of ships. Upon truths departure with the key ship, most of the brutes left to aid him in the battle of earth... leaving the elites to deal with high charity. Eventually a single infected covenant cruiser escaped the blockade and a small fleet of ships follow to ensure the infection doesn’t spread, this is the fleet commanded by the ship master. While the rest of high charity was still being blockaded. Eventually the grave mind left for mars however the elites were still following. Knowing that truth is about to fire the rings, he leaves for the ark using his special precursor slipspace drive, and I’m assuming that any thing he sent outward from high charity was destroyed by the quarantine fleet.
One thing that people always think is that the gravemind in halo 2 and 3 is all powerful and has the ability to destroy the forerunners. However that’s not true, he’s actually very weak and he knows it, this is why he plays the game of war. He purposely let chief and arbiter go because he knew that they would tear the covenant leadership apart and divide the covenant which was the graveminds largest threat. Once the gravemind took over high charity it was mildly protected because the space station was not able to be easily destroyed. And honestly the gravemind would have won if not for an unexpected twist that he didn’t even see coming, the replacement halo and that cortana (with whom he was interrogating to learn what she was hiding) still held the index. Now the gravemind is crashed on the ark with no ship to leave and a massive superweapon pointed right at Him.
Sorry for this being really long but I just felt I should share:)
You have to remember that they had an extreme knowledge of everything. Chief and Arby WERE able to stop the rings, so gravy boi would have wanted the best odds.
Also, sending High Charity to the ark meant the flood there would be unaffected if the rings were fired. Maybe gravy thought he couldn't succeed, so sent his entire force to the ark to take control of the place that could save his army, and also could sustain him, as there was a war going on.
1. Nothing says they didn't do this and local forces were able to repel the smaller infestations.
2. Why would Gravemind, having no clue of the amount of forces present at the ark reduce his very limited and extremely exhausted forces after fighting he largest fleet the covenant as ever amassed by taking a gamble on not sending everyone to the Ark?
3. There was no way Gravemind and his forces were at all aware that Rtas was about to start glassing Truth. The literally just showed up as it was happening.
4. Cortana didn't lead the Flood forces to the Ark and the splinter force sent to Earth was a distraction. It is inconceivable for Cortana who we already know was corrupted by Gravemind at this point to even get a device on that ship without Gravemind noticing and how would Cortana even know about the Ark or it's location on Earth? Gravemind knew, and so he planted a seed to get everyone's attention to go to the ark to fight them all in one last WHOPLA, hence why he dedicated all of his forces there.
Iirc, the Halo signals amplify each other as well (I think 4 was all that was needed to cover the whole galaxy?), so establishing yourself in a little nook where the halos couldn't reach wasn't really an option either. Especially considering it was designed to kill their food and not the flood anyway
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Cybertronians (Transformers)
Forerunner machines (Halo)
Chariot Fargo (Horizon Zero Dawn)
Reapers (Mass Effect)
Good idea
I know nothing about HZD, so ima skip them, but I'd rank the rest:
4: Bayformers Cybertronians
3: Promethians and Sentinels (I assume that's what you mean by Forerunner machines)
2: Reapers
1: G1/Aligned Continuity Cybertronians.
Bayformers go straight to the bottom. An advanced alien race.. . Yet they're beaten by modern day humans.
The Forerunners go number 3. Now, I assumed you were talking about just the Prometheans and Sentinels. They're pretty decent. Sad that a whole army can't handle 1 green spaceman, who has extremely poor technology compared to them, but atleast they can fight off both the Flood and Covenant.
The Reapers go number 2. The species that they fight are always lower tier than them. Its never a fair fight.
Also, they're 2 km Capital ships. Promethians are ants compared to them.
G1 and Aligned Cybertronians are number 1, simply because Primus and Unicron are gods. And then there's combiners like Devastator, and huge guys like Metroplex and Omega Supreme. Also Aligned Continuity have crazy relics like the Forge of Solus Prime, the Star Saber, the Phase Shifter, and Red Energon. Best part is... they can INSTANTLY go whereever they want, with a ground or space bridge. Can the Forerunners do that?
A.I. is heresy
why no Glad0s?
@@dr.boring7022 woah woah slow down there with the forerunners Chief has only faced aggressor sentinels which are pretty weak by themselves and when he did face them they were in small groups he never faced against any enforcers, protectors,super sentinels, retrievers (which are 500 meters in canon) or even the big sentinel from Halo legends. The Prometheans did fight master chief and prometheans are pretty powerful but once the knights go down the prometheans struggle to fight unless Warden Eternal is there and Lets not forget the Gaurdian which can police an entire solar system and do cray things on a planetary scale
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Thanks, before your comment Lasagna was my favorite dish. Now it is no longer😭
Lol, sorry about that m8
@@kingsolomon673 Welp, guess I will have to find a new pasta. Spaghetti! *Spaghetti looks like flood tentacles...* Damnit!
(*Insert Darth Vader NO here*)
Bitch lasagna
That narration so peaceful about chaos and infestation.
Can't wait for Halo Infinite
Same, hope it's for Xbox one
@@kingsolomon673 it defo will be, I'd be shocked if it wasn't available on Xbox 1
@@lukesalvidge5451 sadly Xbox 360 died out so it won't be coming out on it
@@kingsolomon673 ik, I didn't say anything about the 360?
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I liked how you used some in game quotes from Halo 3.
"Do not be afraid, I am peace; I am salvation.
I am a timeless chorus, join your voice with mine and sing victory, everlasting!"
"One single flood spore can destroy a species."
Bungie's writing is the reason
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Institute (Fallout 4)
Skynet (Terminator)
Weyland Yutani (Aliens)
I dunno what skynet or institute are, so for me it's probably CyberLife
Institute shit here haha :-D Human-Replicators from Stargate. And normal replicators as the worst plague in my opinion.
Robert the Dude well the institute is a faction in fallout 4 that creates androids that can look like humans and sometimes they replace real people with their synths to spy on the commonwealth.
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@@kingsolomon673 SkyNet is what makes the Terminators, and the Insitute is from Fallout 4
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You seem to have forgotten Halo Wars 2: Awakening the Nightmare story DLC. That opened the door for a possible return of the flood that way.
On your doubting of the Elite's blockade of the Flood after they took over High Charity, they were relentless in containing the Flood. I can't remember where I read this exactly, maybe Halo: Evolutions, but during the initial blockade, we are told the beginnings of the Great Schism through the lenses of an Elite shipmaster. His crew saw another Elite ship get boarded by the Flood. He was shocked to see that that ship's shields then went offline and that ship's shipmaster broadcasts a message that his ship contaminated by the Flood and to destroy him. The Elites were very dedicated to the containment.
That was Ghosts of Onyx, which also mentions how there was a breif cease fire between Brutes and Elites to blockade the ring, so yeah they took the flood very seriously.
@EckhartsLadder ; I actually have a theory as to why the Gravemind sent all of his forces to the Ark without any other contingencies. In Halo 3 they are deleted dialogue, one of which has the Gravemind directly and explicitly say (with an angry/distress tone) that Cortana tricked it into sending all of it's forces to the Ark. To add to this theory with more speculation, it is possible that Cortana was helped by a remnant of Mendicant Bias to help her resist the Gravemind long enough for it to fall for the trap. There are a few videos of this dialogue on RUclips that can be used as a source reference such as "Halo 3 - The Lost & Untold Stories Of The Last Level" which was created by Generalkidd.
Thank you for mentioning this information. I will have to check out that video.
Well, deleted dialogue isn't exactly cannon, nor does it even have to have any barring on the actual story. It was cut for a reason after all
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You wont have to wait to much longer.
I think you do perfectly fine at what you’re doing already...love kicking back and listening to your videos EL...Thanks Brotha!!!
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In the Dune universe apparently firing one laser at a sheid = Tsar Bomba.
@@thorshammer7883 w...what. That doesnt make any sense. The tear bomba had a shockwave that crossed the plane three times.
I love your videos dude. I feel like you'd be a good person to consult if someone were writing a story in any of these universes. You ever thought up a maneuver or use of technology in one of these universes that you haven't seen in a book or movie?
I figured that the grave mind only sent one ship to Earth to bait everybody out to one area. And the grave mind also greatly insinuates that he has infected some sort of hidden world to resurrect the food later
Do a Yuuzhan Vong invasion of Fluidic Space and war against Species 8472(the Undine)! 99th try.
Now that would be interesting. My money is on Species 8472.
8472 is taking the win
I sure hope we see flood in Halo:Infinite, also thanks for the vid and happy holidays!
The ring in infinite is basically confirmed to be 07 so the flood will 100% be in it.
@@unkowngastank Huzzah! Ty!
Merry Christmas Eck!
I’ll be honest with you I was surprised to find out this was your video from the thumbnail I thought this was one of Xperia’s videos
Same here, especially the fact that this is a Flood related vid, which is his specialty.
PrivateAzib exactly
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Looks like the viscount vs eclipse will be uploaded last year bois
Now how did I miss that the first time.
I will always look forward to hearing your intro ❤️
Good video, one note though is that the range of the Halos actually intersect. They dont just go to the edge of the next one, they cross over as to ensure no chance of missing any space in between. So while there would still be some space not "crossed" by other rings, it wouldn't be that large
Harrower class Dreadnaught vs Victory class Star Destroyer
Please keep the content up. May the force be with you!
Way to keep it real at the end with that sub question I like that.
Great video hope to see more stuff on Infinite when we get closer to the release date
Such an awesome guy and channel
The Gravemind on the ring in Halo 2, is still alive
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343k subs... And you make a dope halo video. You just made my day eck!!
yes, i've been waiting for this one for a while
#askeck
Covenant CAS Assault Carrier vs First Order Resurgent Class Star Destroyer
(16th try, like so eck can see)
I dunno, probably the first order ship
Most likely the CAS Class Assault Carrier would win due to the fact that it carries a lot more starfigters and has more guns as well as a ventral plasma projector that would eat the star destroyer for breakfast
The CAS probably wins due to the superior firepower of its energy projectors. Generally, I'd say that Halo ships will punch above their weight/tech level compared to Star Wars ships because they have actual main guns.
I gotta say that one seemingly silly thing about the design of Star Wars warships is that they very rarely have actual main guns. You've just got a ton of relatively small turbolaser emplacements. Historically, warships were usually equipped with the biggest guns that would fit. It's better to have fewer, bigger guns, or to just produce more warships. The whole point of WWII battleships was that their guns could fire farther and hit harder than other ships' guns. It doesn't make sense to build an Imperial Star Destroyer when you could build three
Considering the covenant officers tend to be much more smarter and experienced in comparison to first order officers, I'd say the advantage is to the cas assault carrier
I thought this was your 16th attempt
We love you Eck and your analytical genius!
The gravemind wouldn't have been able to escape the pulse anywhere EXCEPT the ark because the ark was building a replacement for installation 04. When the replacement was finished it would have been teleported to installation 04's original location before firing, therefore eliminating the gap in the array.
The anticipation for the viscount vs the eclipse is killing me
The Ring in Halo Infinite is Instillation 07 which was inhabited by Mendicant Bias who used the Ring as a Flood base in a way. If there’s no flood in Halo Infinite I would be pretty mad as that is such a tie to deep lore that they could really really profit off of by making the Campaign feel true with the Flood, Banished acting as a new Covenant, Spirit of Fire making a appearance and Rtas ‘Vadum finding the lost COS Class Supercarrier he’s been looking for in lore. In 343 industries can put that together (along with Playable elites of course for multiplayer) they could have a great halo in their hands probably worthy of a Game of the Year Title.
I love watching your videos especially the Star Wars ones
343k subs but the only guilty spark in that is from the viewers and the fact that you should have way more! Happy holidays m8
I remember an elite in halo 3 saying they Blockaded high Charity but one ship managed to Slip away. So ship master Followed it to earth.
I honestly thought the ship that was sent to Earth was sent by Cortana and not the Gravemind.
#AskEck ODSTs vs N7 and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines
Ground battle engagements go to the SA. Anything barring a SPARTAN isn't good enough to take on the average N7.
Unless you give UNSC ground troops biotics and shields. Biotics are OP, and _every_ SA soldier Is equipped with shield barriers and augmentations.
ODST's put up a better fight, but better training and experience can only do so much when up against shielded, augmented, potentially biotic commandos of the highest standard the SA has.
It's a different story In regards to Naval engagements. UNSC stomps In that department. They eat the SA for breakfast.
I give both wins to Mass Effect due to personal shields, biotics, and omni-tool powers.
Hey Eckarts, if you ever do another versus video, I have a suggestion. What about a pilot from Titanfall vs a Spartan from Halo
There were flood infected ships trying to leave high charity but the high charity defense fleets fighting each other all turned their attention against the flood threat to stop them from spreading.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (407th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
Keep going m8, maybe you should also add #AskEck
@@kingsolomon673 No, it must be made into a video,
@@itsyaboidaniel2919 thats what I'm saying
@@kingsolomon673 As in it's own video, and not simply a mention and an answer as an AskEck?
Sorry, just seen other people dewing it so I thought it'll be a good idea
What would happen if the reapers from mass effect tried to fight the flood?
Well with the knowledge of the floods abilities we have. Reapers would be overwhelmed do to the flood being able to convert AI and biological lifeforms even entire plannets given the chance
Flood shitstomp the reapers
Fearmaster M.M.Z but what about indoctrination? The reapers should theoretically be able to indoctrinate a grave mind.
@@rebelappliance771 well you have to think that the flood have the memories of each past grave mind, key mind, etc.
@@fearmasterm.m.z7139 and also the mind of ANY creatures the flood have infected
I think that the Gravemind acted out of fear, after all, he had been waiting for countless years to finally be free. while it is highly intelligent. it is still an organic being, controlled by its emotions, and full of flaws. that's what I think at least.
@4:19 the assumption is that the cruiser was sent by the Gravemind and not by Cortana. If Cortana managed to send it for the purpose of getting a message to the Chief, then the small size and the singular vessel makes sense.
Also it’s important to keep in mind, most of the flood controlled vessels were shot down by the covenant fleets around Halo and High Charity. They stopped fighting each other long enough to ensure no slipsspace worthy vessel (with the exception of High Charity presumed dead in the water) containing flood could leave the Delta Halo system.
Would you consider to analyze book worlds? It would be cool to have videos like this one on asimov or maybe even Sanderson works
I think a very interesting versus episode would be two factions becoming allies and fighting another two factions who are allies. (UNSC and The Empire vs. The Separatists and The Vong.)
Also it says coming early 2018
That thumbnail made me feel scared. I love it
Eckart
Analytical or not that in itself is a good talent for ideas and writing. I myself am analytical and have been able to find 16 deadly sins over just the plain 7 that further explain writing material, character development, and story archetypes.
You keep doing you and keep up the great work. I thoroughly enjoyed this video and once thought of the same concept. By all means Cortana sent the ship but how did she know of the portal? And then how the hell did High Charity know where to go directly anyways.
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I hadn’t thought much about this but I do agree the Gravemind made a mistake not infecting Earth on the way to the Ark. While it would have been much more tragic of an ending, it would have provided obvious sequel material.
Maybe Cortana somehow disabled the Slipspace capable vessels aboard the High Charity, or more likely all vehicles were ejected to fight in the schism.
Outstanding move!
Psychic battle: Karrigan, Queen of the Zerg StarCraft vs Jean Gray, Phoenix X-Men
Doomsday from the comics vs the Flood
Doomsday shitstomp
coming up on infra-red doomsday would step on them lol
I think Graveminds plan makes a lot more sense if you consider how he may have infected Cortana with the Logic Plague. As well there may still be festering outbreaks like we see in Halo Wars 2 just waiting to erupt and test humanity for the Mantle.
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2 things. 1: analytical minds can be amazing for creating a world. Even if you can't imagine a whole new world if you partner with someone you could make them think more thoroughly about every detail, look at mass effect 1-3 for how that could work. 2: I don't know too much after 343 took over for bungie, but if the gravemind just tricked cortana into believing that they had done all that, making her and others think that the flood was completely contained, they could spread in secret and maybe even be bigger before the powers realize what was happening.
I still want to see a full documentary on how it was like on high charity when it was being invaded by the flood
Let's face it. The Flood was pretty much doomed the moment they crossed swords with that one man doomsday machine, namely the Master Chief.
From that moment in Halo CE when The Chief first saw the flood on Jenkin's helmet cam footage, the Flood's fate was sealed in an airtight coffin.
So, what was the Flood's biggest mistake? Crawling out from under that damp, dark rock in the first place.
But you do have a good point. There were so many opportunities in Halo 3 that could've lead to an easy Flood victory.
Pretty good video, very interesting.
Yeah, once the Flood saw Chief they should've crawled back into their cells and locked the doors.
YES!!!!! A HALO VIDEO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ( also did it when you had 343K subs)
I was JUST wondering about this only to find this video you talking about why the Flood didn't send other infected vehicles beyond the one Covenant cruiser in Halo 3. And I'm still not seeing a possible answer.
To be honest the real explanation for the gravemind's behavior is simply a narrative one: Bungie needed to establish the threat of the flood high enough to maintain dramatic tension but not to the point where they seemed like a hopelessly unbeatable enemy. It's likely that if flood ships had escaped across the galaxy humanity as it is would never be able to defeat them. Bungie didn't really want this and wanted there to be a final showdown with the flood on the ark in Halo 3.
This is why we have this kind of convoluted situation where we have to bend over backwards to explain why miraculously the gravemind was defeated when realistically it probably should have had a better plan.
Could you do a verses comparison of the elites from halo and the krogan from mass effect
FINALLY THIS HALO VIDEO!
You should do a Thrawn VS. The Gravemind/Graveminds video.
I don’t honestly believe that the flood could have done as you say.
As seen in Halo 2 and other instances, Slipspace takes a little while before a ship actually takes the jump, as they have to open a slipspace portal first. This is particularly true with covenant ships. So, if a flood controlled cruiser were to attempt to make a jump, the Sangheili fleets could focus fire and wipe it out. It’s also somewhat unlikely that there were that many ships even inside of High Charity, as vast as it is. The entirety of the station was in a state of open war both inside and around the surrounding space around the station, so I believe that the vast majority of any ships on High Charity were probably sent out to help either the Sangheili or Jiralhanae fleets that were currently warring outside the station.
I also believe you’re underrating just how adept the Sangheili are in space combat. Not only did the win the battle against the Jiralhanae forces outside the station, which most likely outnumbered them, but later on the battle of Installation 00, the managed a complete defeat of 30~ Brute controlled ships in truths fleet with merely 10 ships. By the time High Charity warped to the Ark, Truth and his forces on the ground were the only Covenant loyalists left at the Installation.
With this knowledge it’s entirely believable that they were capable of quelling whatever ships the flood managed to get their hands on, which I do believe were very few in the scope of the splintered covenant armada.
As well, it’s likely that the Gravemind had to use resources from whatever ships may have been on High Charity to help power the station, as the Keyship was hugely responsible for the powering of the station, as once it had been uncoupled, the station pretty much went dark before the Gravemind made his modifications. He’d even seemingly been using the backup batteries as well, to put the power problem in perspective.
I think the Gravemind knew what Cortana’s plan was, he seems to wise to fully commit if it puts the all of the flood and their survival at risk. I’d say they’ll make an appearance in Infinite.
Yes but they were already at war when they took over with most of the ships already fighting during the great scism so no there was not a large amount of ships left in high charity however their we're a few but a few fleets stayed back.and took out any ships that took off from high charity
The point about the missing range of 04 is a good one, and could potentially be what the Gravemind should have done, is gone there to hide. If the Halo rings, fired, then they could just go to the rings or planets of the galaxy, and get more or better ships until a sentient species arose, and used those to be cattle until other species rise to prominence.
Have you ever done snoke's star destroyer vs the covi supercarrier from reach
Awesome video!!👍☯️👍
I've got two things...
I can't help but think about the fact that the gravemind in halo 2/3 & wars 2 (I assume) is an ancient creature stuck in one place and finally given a chance to escape, which may make it desperate to remain so, and therefore prone to not thinking as logically as it should have
I don't know if it makes a difference, but after taking high charity most of its biomass, and therefore thinking power, now comes from covenant hosts, and I can't help but also wonder if that affected how things turned out too
So what is it that stopped Cortana from destroying en amber clads engines like that of the pillar of autumn?
facts it wasn't really explained in the games so I don't know. Can anyone answer this?
I think the reason that only one flood infested ship made to earth was the efforts of the Sangheili controlled ship putting up a naval blockade around the delta halo via orbital bombardment.
can you do a video on which in your opinion would be better or pros and cons of each? swarm philosophy of soldiers, fighters, and ships like the droids or a higher quality philosophy like the clones or greek spartans for another example.
I bet you there's little flood spores and crawlers around the galaxy
I refuse to think all 3 graveminds dint think of backup plans
Great analysis of what the flood might actually do. There are a few reasons why the writers did not let this happen.
1. They were wrapping up a trilogy. Can't have a "Universe is safe again" if there is massive threat of flood spreading right behind you.
2. It would be the forerunner trilogy story all over again. The spread would get out of control and humanity would be forced to use the rings to stop them, without the ability of saving all the species of the galaxy.
3. There was no need to give the impression that the flood were still around or a threat. The galaxy is massive and there are other rings that the writers could place the flood if they wanted to later on.
4. It may not be time to judge whether or not humanity is ready to assume the mantle. Humanity is relatively new at galactic expansion and influence. If the flood spread to some distant parts of the galaxy and stayed there until it was time, then that would be alright. To start an invasion and spread so close to humanity's home world would not be wise if your intention is to test humanity at a later date.
5. It was more important to save strength for fight at the Ark. Simply enough why diminish your forces unnecessarily when you can wait to do it after the major threat of the Halo array firing has subsided. Also what is the point of expansion if you fail at stopping the array.
6. The halo array can still function alright with a ring or two missing. Also if the Gravemind knew how the array and ark worked, then he would have known that a replacement would have been made. He most likely had no way of knowing whether that ring was reconstructed or not. Again why risk diminishing forces.
7. The Sangheili would have just glassed Mars if the flood spread there. They were already at Earth. A short jump to Mars would have been nothing. They could have glassed Earth, but they settled with just half of Africa at the request of the Arbiter. Again why risk diminishing forces.
The writers are great (minus the garbage of Halo5), but they can't or decide not to go into so much detail to rule out these kinds of theories. It's always nice to just leave some things up to the imagination as well as leave open plot holes to expand on later.
Can you do something like characters from other universes had force powers or somthing similar
You and HiddenXperia should totally do a video on Halo lore together.
Sins of a solar empire rebellion titan battle royale or which titan is the best
I wish you could do a vs that removes speed so you could put Thrawn against Mendicant Bias against Ender against the gravemind in a turn based tactics off. Something to figure out who the better commander is without speed always favoring the AI
Honestly, the best strategy the gravemind could establish in this scenario would targeting a halo array. You make a valid point "Hypothetically" the halo ring near reach was destroyed which suggests there's an opening in the Halo Ring containment. IF that were the case then the gravemind should've spent all it's time destroying as many of the other Halo rings as possible. If the array is even launched it wouldn't change anything if majority of the Rings are destroyed. Even if he doesn't know where the other rings are here know where installation 05 since that's where he originally came from. At that point the best strategy would send that cruiser crashing down the ring exploding it's core to destroy the rings firing abilities. This is assuming the destruction of the Halo ring would affect the containment zone with the firing of the other functioning Halo rings. Regardless having 2 Halo rings destroyed I feel would be better odds than flying to the ark where his forces would have to deal with the covenant, the sentinels, the UNSC and Elite forces.
I always saw this "mistake" as the Gravemind simply gathering enough forces after being freed from delta Halo to focus all it's attention on nothing but the thing that stopped it before; the Halo array. Infecting other planets would be pointless if it was fired again. But this time it had the knowledge on the Ark and the Covenant's plans to fire the array via Regret.
It also knows how much of a threat Chief is. Cortana references this in Human weakness. That's why it let Cortana send her message about the Ark. It didnt care what the message was or what it said, only that it would lure Chief to Cortana and High Charity to either just let him take her so she'll be a problem later due to her Logic plague, or to subsequently lure Chief to it to kill him.