Technically, the Browns history and records were kept in Cleveland and suspended operations until 1999, and after the 1995 season, the then-owner Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore and became the Ravens who are considered an expansion team as they share no history with the previous or the 1999-present Browns franchise.
IMO if you are starting from scratch by going through the expansion draft, you're an expansion team. The Browns fit that, the Ravens do not. History or not, expansion teams are added and start from scratch.
@@SpaceDragonX783 I don't know if it is him or his wife making all the bad decisions, probably both. I'm not sure if the current ailments of the team are from bad drafting, bad coaching, bad schemes, injuries, or all of it. Fitterer first draft and offseason looked ok, but the last two have been well below par. The whole franchise is a mess right now. I don't see the team ever being competitive under Tepper's ownership.
@jaaa4590 Partly Tepper's finger always being on football operations, Fitterer's decision making, and their inability to look long-term when they continue to have a "win now" mentality and can't never compete. Even worse now that there's the possibility of rebuilding...again but without the proper draft capital or money in tow. If Fitterer isn't gone and/or someone can't persuade Tepper to take a step back from football operations this offseason, I will fall on my knees in sadness.
@@SpaceDragonX783 Damn, I think this is the best summary of the situation. I think Rhule was actually drafting better than Fitterer lol. Fitterer needs to be gone, I agree. And Tepper needs to back off the football decisions.
Winning seasons make the product enjoyable over a longer period of time but a Superbowl is the peak high. Both have pros and cons. Being a Jags fan right now if you asked me if I'd take 10 years of winning records and playoff flameouts at various points vs 1 Superbowl and 9 losing seasons. I'd probably take the 10 years of winning. But drop it to 5. I'd take the Superbowl.
Jacksonville and Carolina are the best examples for expansion teams, the first year they sucked but in their 2nd year both teams made the Conference Championship game and became Super Bowl contenders
I believe the expansion draft rules were significantly kinder to Jacksonville and Carolina. Seattle and Tampa essentially just got all the players no other team wanted.
@@arachnofiend2859 It just shows how bogus the rankings are. TB and Seattle famously did not have the players to compete. Seattle's first win was against TB. Even including the Texans in here as if they didn't have way, way better opportunities and balance than those two 1976 teams is a joke. TB should be #1 because they won two Super Bowls after starting 0-26 and got to the NFC Championship game in Year 4 when two years ago they were 2-12... That 21-year qualifier is a joke.
TB is the best franchise on this list. Not only did they go to two Super Bowls, they won those in blowouts. P.S. Bert Emmanuel caught that ball. If the call were upheld, there's a good chance TB has 3 Super Bowl wins (although Dungy might have been coach in 2002).
I really like the 16/16 format of the conferences. I would personally not want to see expansion unless it was a significant state to allow a similar ratio which is highly unlikely to happen.
@@MrCrunch808 Bring back the Central divisions! Seriously, I miss the Battle of the Bays with TB/GB and when you could watch ESPN without muting the TV. Fox had the best NFL bumpers, too, around 1997, 1998 with the football robot and that great jingle.
Both the Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots took 42 years to win their first Super Bowls, (or championships of any kind), but once they got started... oh, boy. The moral: never give up hope.
Kind of a strange choice to only count the first 21 years. Why not just do an average? Otherwise, this tier list is going to change drastically in 3 years, when it's the first 24 (not 21) years and the Bucs have a dominating run in 2000-2003
@@cam32189 Because the Texans were only in the league for 21 seasons. To be fair then the Dolphins should have been included they made the Super Bowl in year 6 and won it in year 7 going 17-0. The Bengals made the Super bowl in year 15
One thing you should have mentioned is the fact that the Browns and Texans got screwed over by the nfl because they gave the Panthers and Jaguars double drafts in the first and second rounds along with several additional picks in later rounds while the texans and Browns got none of that, not to mention more players were unprotected because there were 2 teams at once instead of 1 like cle and hou. The salary cap was new in 95 as well and teams didnt use the expansion draft to dump bad contracts like they did in 99’ and 02’
I fully believe because both the Jags and Panthers made the conference title game, that the owners felt they got good too fast. League/owners were like, never again. None of the expansion teams before 1995 got that treatment.
One thing that is not mentioned is Toni Boselli was part of the expansion draft for the Texans but never played a down for the team. Michael Vick also entered the draft year before because he apparently didn't want to go to an expansion team.
14:52 Incorrect. @KTO Tampa Bay was the first expansion franchise in the Super Bowl era to reach the big game, happened the season before when they beat the Raiders 48-21. Source: Lifelong Bucs fan.
My favorite story is that Frank Reich was drafted in the expansion draft by the Panthers and now he's coaching the team (even if it's not super hot atm)
they honestly could have picked off some fans from the stadium and they would have helped tremendously, texans should be sued for shortening carr’s life expectancy😭
That 99 jags team was one of the best overall teams to not win a sb They ranked 1st overall defensively and 5th overall offensively The 99 rams were the reverse 1st over offense and 5th overall defense
I have a older family friend in Houston who was with the media at the time there and he had to do a retrospective on some of the Houston Oilers successes and failures and he unlike many of his peers had a strong conviction that the worst decision the franchise made was not firing their beloved head coach Bum Phillips (some peers argued that day firmly cemented its gradual demise and ensured the Cowboys were the dominant team in the state of Texas) but was letting Steve Largent go. Seattle is a different organization without him not just in the early years struggling for relevance, but how he has colored the franchise after. They have an award named after him because of his spirit, dedication and integrity representing the sport and organization. He is arguably still the most iconic player in franchise history a player the great Jerry Rice idolized in the sport despite his own greatness. As someone who lives in WA state, its one of the most visible jerseys prior to the current incarnation of the uniform. He argued it wasn't what they lost, which was a tremendous player obviously, and what little they gained, but how they unwittingly lowered their ceiling as a franchise. It's one thing to miss on a pick, and quite another to trade a hall of famer because you have "too many wide receivers." And Bum was the one to make that call apparently.
Love your videos kto. Ur channel shows that quality beats quantity. Keep making awesome content Edit: thanks for the heart bro, love ur channel and keep up the amazing work
The fact that the buccaneers who have one of the worst win percentages of all time but have more Super Bowl wins then the Vikings who have one of the best win percentages drives me crazy
Great video! Though i do have to add that while they were part of the merger in 1970, both the NFL (Falcons and Saints) and the AFL (Dolphins and Bengals) had expansion teams in the super bowl era
this is a pretty great summation of how hard it is to get an expansion franchise going in football; MLB, the NBA, and the NHL have all seen teams win their first championships in their first decade of existence. EDIT: actually, for that matter, so has the NFL. can't believe I'd forget about my own Jets like that. also Miami I guess.
The Panthers weren't the first Super Bowl Era expansion team to make it to the Super Bowl. The Bucs won the Super Bowl the tear before. They were the quickest to reach it though
He was doing first 21 years because that's how long the Texans have been in the NFL. And the 66 Dolphins made the super bowl in year 6 and won in year 7 the 66 Bengals made it in year 15
16:39 I saw this game at a sports bar with my two female best friends (also Steelers fans) and as a Steelers fan when Drew Carey said that we all giggled Then the 43-0 happened and this was my first year in college (Nittany lion pride) and my male best friend's wife is a browns fan so i ribbed her mocking the Drew Carey "Cleveland rocks" song singing "Drew Cleveland sucks, Cleveland sucks, Steel owns ohio (with the echo)" 😂😂😂 Well , then she ribbed me when the browns beat the steelers that same year at 3 rivers she sang "Phil Dawson the magic kicker lives by the three rivers sea" for a year😂 😂😂😂 However I love the Drew Carey show
@@Chuck_ELThat shutout loss to Pittsburgh in 1999 was brutal, but looking at the Browns' history, including the 0-16 season in 2017, it's no wonder the Browns ended up in F tier. My condolences to the Browns fans.
14:47 the ‘02 Tampa bay Buccaneers would like a word, sir. We did it one year before them, and we actually won the big game. Thank you for ending the video on it though 😉
The NFL actually regards the Ravens as an expansion team for statistics. If they were included (1996-2016) they would be S tier for sure; they're kind of a model NFL franchise period (Niners fan here).
@@brendan9868no bro we aren't the Baltimore browns that would be a rebrand. we're a new team, new name at least unlike the colts did when the cowardly snuck out we left the name and all the memories and any records in Cleveland. There wasn't a whatever ravens and we took there name over we were a expansion team....and a good one also. The browns are rebranded, La Rams rebrand. Etc etc. Ravens History starts 96-present day.
@@StevePindell my guy the literal definition of rebrand is “To change the corporate image of a company or organization” which is exactly what happened. They went from the Cleveland Browns, to the Baltimore Ravens. Have you ever heard of BackRub by any chance? Well you’ve probably heard of their *rebrand* Google. And no we aren’t an expansion team my guy and this proves you don’t know what an expansion team is. We took the entire Browns roster with us, we didn’t simply pop into existence and get to choose players from around the league like expansion teams are allowed, like the new Browns. Art Modell moved the entire organization to Baltimore, the only reason we didn’t keep the history of the Browns is because Art Modell was sued by the city of Cleveland which had the NFL make him give up all intellectual rights and history of the Browns back to the city of Cleveland. The Ravens were never an expansion, but a continuation of the original Cleveland Browns in a new city with a new name that because of legal technicalities have no official history before 1996.
@KTO ik this is a longshot but I was lookin at some of ur older videos of players with short spotlight and time playin, and was hoping if u could do a video on David Johnson, easily one of the biggest 1-2 year hit wonders
The question I would have now is if the late 60’s teams are included where would they land? (Falcons, Dolphins, Saints, and Bengals who started between 1966 and 68)
@@KG-xt4oq Agreed, Dolphins dynasty in their first 10 years. Bengals two SB appearances in first 21 years. I'd give the Falcons a D- Saints I'd give an F. If just going by their first 21 years, Saints didn't even manage a single winning record.
@@KG-xt4oq Just double checked and the Saints started in 1967 (not what I thought was 1966 along with the Falcons). So their 21st year was that 1987 season where they had their first winning record. But since they promptly got blown out at home by the Vikings in the wild card, I'd still give them an F.
Something I love watching with expansion teams is guys who didnt get their shot on their first team go off to a new org and excel. Bigtime energy of that sort with Jacksonville and the Brunell/Smith tandem. Was awesome seeing the Golden Misfits in the NHL when that league expanded too.
Fuck it. Let's leap straight to 40 teams. Oakland, San Diego, and St. Louis deserve teams again. Then we can just pop teams in Portland, Salt Lake, Omaha, Sacramento, and OKC. Hell, San Antonio or Austin would also work.
Free agency was way different for Bucs and Seahawks. And there was no salary-cap, too. Bucs owner was one of the cheapest in the league, thats why Doug Williams left for USFL.
1996 was so wild, with the potential of the pair of two year old teams at the cusp of the superbowl. And Jake Delhomme is one of more forgotten super bowl QBs who was actually great despite the team losing. I think people remember his playoff meltdown versus Arizona a few years later when he threw 5 ints and then never got his confidence back.
Late to the party so maybe someone else has said this already. The biggest benefit to those 1995 expansion teams, imo, was that pro free agency was still relatively new to the NFL and both teams fully utilized that to their advantage with low cap hits from the expansion draft players. With the extra picks as well, they utilized those pretty well - it gave the Jags flexibility to trade for Mark Brunell, for example.
This is a nitpick but the Seahawks did not appear in an NFC championship game in this time frame like your end stat page says. They appeared in an AFC Championship game because they did not return to the nfc until 2002.
I didn't watch football until 2008, and I like to consider myself somewhat of an NFL historian, but man, I need to quit sleeping on those 1999 Jaguars. 14-2 and putting up 62 points in a playoff game is just nightmare juggernaut material. I guess you could say if it wasn't for the Titans they'd be the 2007 Patriots. (On that note, RIP Steve McNair.)
putting the Texans in the same tier as the Jags and Seahawks is insane, the Texans have almost no playoff success at all, meanwhile the other 2 teams were miles ahead in those 21 seasons. Jags and Seahawks should be B tiers, and Texans should the C tier.
As a diehard Panther fan I don’t even think we’ve been the best expansion team! We definitely top 3 though. I value the ability to build superbowl winning teams and the Bucs & Seahawks have built those kinds of teams on multiple occasions. We have not yet.
Fun fact: Seahawks are the only team to appear in both the AFC and NFC Championship game
There aren’t many teams that have spent time in both conferences post merger
No the colts did it too. Nfl championship and afc championship
@@alexanderguerrero347True, but that was pre-merger. They switched sides at the merger itself.
@@alexanderguerrero347that first one was before the merger though
Seahawks and Bucs are the only teams to play in both conferences Bucs played in the AFC its first season only
The 55ers have sure done well for themselves
I can't wait to watch the 65ers
Go 88ers! 🏈
55ers are completely overrated. Stop being a fanboy and just look at their schedule, they have literally played nobody!!!
@@dionmarburynope, so much nope.
As someone who lives 30 minutes away Joliet I am excited for the future
The 1976 bucs need to have a movie it's pure comedy
There was a Lost Treasures of NFL Films on that team.
McKay is a true gem. He had some great expressions. lol
Technically, the Browns history and records were kept in Cleveland and suspended operations until 1999, and after the 1995 season, the then-owner Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore and became the Ravens who are considered an expansion team as they share no history with the previous or the 1999-present Browns franchise.
They didn't went through an expansion draft.
thank you. The browns aren’t an expansion team the ravens are tho
@@salcoscino4272 yeah but when it comes to building a team the ravens got given everything the browns had to start from scratch
IMO if you are starting from scratch by going through the expansion draft, you're an expansion team. The Browns fit that, the Ravens do not. History or not, expansion teams are added and start from scratch.
“What do you think of your team’s execution?”
“I’m in favor of it”
As a Panthers fan, I can only reminisce about the good ole days. Tepper has run the team into ground.
Facts man. Someone has to get Tepper out of Charlotte frfr.
Yeah only went downhill when he bought the team
@@SpaceDragonX783 I don't know if it is him or his wife making all the bad decisions, probably both. I'm not sure if the current ailments of the team are from bad drafting, bad coaching, bad schemes, injuries, or all of it. Fitterer first draft and offseason looked ok, but the last two have been well below par. The whole franchise is a mess right now. I don't see the team ever being competitive under Tepper's ownership.
@jaaa4590 Partly Tepper's finger always being on football operations, Fitterer's decision making, and their inability to look long-term when they continue to have a "win now" mentality and can't never compete. Even worse now that there's the possibility of rebuilding...again but without the proper draft capital or money in tow. If Fitterer isn't gone and/or someone can't persuade Tepper to take a step back from football operations this offseason, I will fall on my knees in sadness.
@@SpaceDragonX783 Damn, I think this is the best summary of the situation. I think Rhule was actually drafting better than Fitterer lol. Fitterer needs to be gone, I agree. And Tepper needs to back off the football decisions.
I feel like having championships is overall more important than winning multiple seasons
I would generally agree overall.
Having both however is a great way to make an argument for being the best.
idk the giants make it hard to feel that way 😂
Winning seasons make the product enjoyable over a longer period of time but a Superbowl is the peak high. Both have pros and cons. Being a Jags fan right now if you asked me if I'd take 10 years of winning records and playoff flameouts at various points vs 1 Superbowl and 9 losing seasons. I'd probably take the 10 years of winning. But drop it to 5. I'd take the Superbowl.
@@josiaherickson7511Same as a fan of the Seattle Mariners first and foremost.
Championships above all, as a Bucs fan you can talk shit about our win percentage all you want.
Two ring club 💍💍
Jacksonville and Carolina are the best examples for expansion teams, the first year they sucked but in their 2nd year both teams made the Conference Championship game and became Super Bowl contenders
I believe the expansion draft rules were significantly kinder to Jacksonville and Carolina. Seattle and Tampa essentially just got all the players no other team wanted.
@@arachnofiend2859
As a Steelers fan , seeing them jags teams was a fun watch they literally can beat you running passing or with Brunell running
@@arachnofiend2859 that's what they had intended. The league wanted the teams to be competitive right away.
@@jaaa4590 remember early to mid-2000’s NFL broadcasts? “Blah blah Manning/Brady blah blah PARITY PARITY PARITY”
@@arachnofiend2859 It just shows how bogus the rankings are. TB and Seattle famously did not have the players to compete. Seattle's first win was against TB. Even including the Texans in here as if they didn't have way, way better opportunities and balance than those two 1976 teams is a joke.
TB should be #1 because they won two Super Bowls after starting 0-26 and got to the NFC Championship game in Year 4 when two years ago they were 2-12... That 21-year qualifier is a joke.
The Bucs might really be the greatest sub .500 franchise in pro sports history
this is why i'm so proud to be a fan
it's like an abusive marriage, they beat you for years and then take you on a 5 month dream vacation
And therefore the team with championships that has arguably accomplished the least outside of said championships.
@@fortynights1513 cope
best ring : win ratio
TB is the best franchise on this list. Not only did they go to two Super Bowls, they won those in blowouts.
P.S. Bert Emmanuel caught that ball. If the call were upheld, there's a good chance TB has 3 Super Bowl wins (although Dungy might have been coach in 2002).
Dawg you don’t know how much ur videos calm me down from life bro thx
I really like the 16/16 format of the conferences. I would personally not want to see expansion unless it was a significant state to allow a similar ratio which is highly unlikely to happen.
Indeed. Nice and symmetric.
It is a nice ratio, but the league does have a lot of room to expand. A 40 team league would work well with 20/20 and 5 divisions in each conference.
is there enough talent to go around for 40 53 man rosters? its hard enough for teams to land competent qbs or OL as it is@@MrCrunch808
@@MrCrunch808 Bring back the Central divisions!
Seriously, I miss the Battle of the Bays with TB/GB and when you could watch ESPN without muting the TV. Fox had the best NFL bumpers, too, around 1997, 1998 with the football robot and that great jingle.
@@encycl07pedia-adding a fourth division made the colts' rivalry with both the jets and patriots more difficult as well
Recommendation do a video where you go over the best player from every D1 college
Both the Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots took 42 years to win their first Super Bowls, (or championships of any kind), but once they got started... oh, boy. The moral: never give up hope.
Also: Carolina wasn't the first SB-era expansion team to go to a Super Bowl. Tampa did in 2002.
He did say first 21 years though. But overall yeah you're right but Tampa didn't do in in 21 seasons
Only counting first 21 yre
He said he was only looking the first 21years of each expansion team.
Kind of a strange choice to only count the first 21 years. Why not just do an average? Otherwise, this tier list is going to change drastically in 3 years, when it's the first 24 (not 21) years and the Bucs have a dominating run in 2000-2003
@@cam32189 Because the Texans were only in the league for 21 seasons. To be fair then the Dolphins should have been included they made the Super Bowl in year 6 and won it in year 7 going 17-0. The Bengals made the Super bowl in year 15
One thing you should have mentioned is the fact that the Browns and Texans got screwed over by the nfl because they gave the Panthers and Jaguars double drafts in the first and second rounds along with several additional picks in later rounds while the texans and Browns got none of that, not to mention more players were unprotected because there were 2 teams at once instead of 1 like cle and hou. The salary cap was new in 95 as well and teams didnt use the expansion draft to dump bad contracts like they did in 99’ and 02’
I fully believe because both the Jags and Panthers made the conference title game, that the owners felt they got good too fast. League/owners were like, never again.
None of the expansion teams before 1995 got that treatment.
@@LdyVder Yes NFL teams were mad at the quick success of the Panthers and Jags
The apostrophe goes BEFORE the number. '99 and '02. Learn English.
One thing that is not mentioned is Toni Boselli was part of the expansion draft for the Texans but never played a down for the team. Michael Vick also entered the draft year before because he apparently didn't want to go to an expansion team.
Boselli coincidentally enough was an excellent tackle for Jacksonville before then.
"Now we take a turn for the worst.."
Browns fans : my spidey sense is tingling
14:52 Incorrect. @KTO Tampa Bay was the first expansion franchise in the Super Bowl era to reach the big game, happened the season before when they beat the Raiders 48-21. Source: Lifelong Bucs fan.
My favorite story is that Frank Reich was drafted in the expansion draft by the Panthers and now he's coaching the team (even if it's not super hot atm)
Not anymore!
To this day, I believe we never got to see David Carr's real potential.
That poor man would've had better blocking from a row of actual turnstiles.
they honestly could have picked off some fans from the stadium and they would have helped tremendously, texans should be sued for shortening carr’s life expectancy😭
At least he can say that he got a superbowl ring
The Jags were the best “modern era” expansion team imo. Boselli, Taylor, etc. what a team.
Jimmy Smith! Couldn’t remember his name😅
@@Akkbar21McCardell was good too
That 99 jags team was one of the best overall teams to not win a sb
They ranked 1st overall defensively and 5th overall offensively
The 99 rams were the reverse 1st over offense and 5th overall defense
That Jags team was great but i think the 2003 Panthers losing the Super Bowl by a FG is more memorable to most fans
@@Chuck_ELReally good team, but I don’t know if I’d go that far.
Wish you didn’t do the whole “first 21 year” shtick. Would have been much better to actually look at each teams respective full history.
Agree would’ve made more sense imo
If he did that then people would’ve complained it was unfair😂
It has to be 21 years so all teams have an equal sample size.
I have a older family friend in Houston who was with the media at the time there and he had to do a retrospective on some of the Houston Oilers successes and failures and he unlike many of his peers had a strong conviction that the worst decision the franchise made was not firing their beloved head coach Bum Phillips (some peers argued that day firmly cemented its gradual demise and ensured the Cowboys were the dominant team in the state of Texas) but was letting Steve Largent go. Seattle is a different organization without him not just in the early years struggling for relevance, but how he has colored the franchise after. They have an award named after him because of his spirit, dedication and integrity representing the sport and organization. He is arguably still the most iconic player in franchise history a player the great Jerry Rice idolized in the sport despite his own greatness. As someone who lives in WA state, its one of the most visible jerseys prior to the current incarnation of the uniform. He argued it wasn't what they lost, which was a tremendous player obviously, and what little they gained, but how they unwittingly lowered their ceiling as a franchise. It's one thing to miss on a pick, and quite another to trade a hall of famer because you have "too many wide receivers." And Bum was the one to make that call apparently.
Love your videos kto. Ur channel shows that quality beats quantity. Keep making awesome content
Edit: thanks for the heart bro, love ur channel and keep up the amazing work
im not sure this is rbt bro
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you know what you did@@GG-mk5fd
The fact that the buccaneers who have one of the worst win percentages of all time but have more Super Bowl wins then the Vikings who have one of the best win percentages drives me crazy
than*
Great video! Though i do have to add that while they were part of the merger in 1970, both the NFL (Falcons and Saints) and the AFL (Dolphins and Bengals) had expansion teams in the super bowl era
3:38 Dude, this commentary is brutal... and it's from their coach.
this is a pretty great summation of how hard it is to get an expansion franchise going in football; MLB, the NBA, and the NHL have all seen teams win their first championships in their first decade of existence.
EDIT: actually, for that matter, so has the NFL. can't believe I'd forget about my own Jets like that. also Miami I guess.
3:38 Such a great quote
The Panthers weren't the first Super Bowl Era expansion team to make it to the Super Bowl. The Bucs won the Super Bowl the tear before. They were the quickest to reach it though
He was doing first 21 years because that's how long the Texans have been in the NFL. And the 66 Dolphins made the super bowl in year 6 and won in year 7 the 66 Bengals made it in year 15
This content creator is trash Panthers are THE GUTTER of the NFL@@KamuiCage
@@KamuiCage Neither of those were Super Bowl Era (1970-present) expansion franchises.
As a person from Joliet IL, I was not expecting a shoutout in a KTO video but I appreciate it🤝😂
I ❤ the tier list ranking videos! Keep up the great work, KTO! 😊
16:39 I saw this game at a sports bar with my two female best friends (also Steelers fans) and as a Steelers fan when Drew Carey said that we all giggled
Then the 43-0 happened and this was my first year in college (Nittany lion pride) and my male best friend's wife is a browns fan so i ribbed her mocking the Drew Carey "Cleveland rocks" song singing "Drew Cleveland sucks, Cleveland sucks, Steel owns ohio (with the echo)" 😂😂😂
Well , then she ribbed me when the browns beat the steelers that same year at 3 rivers she sang "Phil Dawson the magic kicker lives by the three rivers sea" for a year😂 😂😂😂
However I love the Drew Carey show
@@Chuck_ELThat shutout loss to Pittsburgh in 1999 was brutal, but looking at the Browns' history, including the 0-16 season in 2017, it's no wonder the Browns ended up in F tier. My condolences to the Browns fans.
I was shocked cause my Bucs weren't in F, but then I remembered the Browns are an expansion team
14:47 the ‘02 Tampa bay Buccaneers would like a word, sir. We did it one year before them, and we actually won the big game.
Thank you for ending the video on it though 😉
You didn't get screwed by the refs like us
Yea we just had the best defense of all time.
And you guys lost that game fair and square lol
@@LOTLore you're talking about Seattle right ?
lol. Funny.
Its about first 21 yrs bud
Your channel is top tier. I favor your channel out of all my subscriptions.
Saving people from saying first.
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Good egg of a person
People be like 20th thinking they first💀 it ain’t gonna stop them
Based
MVP right here 👆
You cut me deep, at the end there, KTO, but I still love you. 😊
I thought he was going to at least give a mention the Ravens in the outro with that kickoff return from their 2013 SB win
The NFL actually regards the Ravens as an expansion team for statistics. If they were included (1996-2016) they would be S tier for sure; they're kind of a model NFL franchise period (Niners fan here).
Ravens aren’t an expansion team, just a relocation and rebrand.
@@brendan9868no bro we aren't the Baltimore browns that would be a rebrand. we're a new team, new name at least unlike the colts did when the cowardly snuck out we left the name and all the memories and any records in Cleveland. There wasn't a whatever ravens and we took there name over we were a expansion team....and a good one also. The browns are rebranded, La Rams rebrand. Etc etc. Ravens History starts 96-present day.
@@StevePindell my guy the literal definition of rebrand is “To change the corporate image of a company or organization” which is exactly what happened. They went from the Cleveland Browns, to the Baltimore Ravens.
Have you ever heard of BackRub by any chance? Well you’ve probably heard of their *rebrand* Google.
And no we aren’t an expansion team my guy and this proves you don’t know what an expansion team is. We took the entire Browns roster with us, we didn’t simply pop into existence and get to choose players from around the league like expansion teams are allowed, like the new Browns.
Art Modell moved the entire organization to Baltimore, the only reason we didn’t keep the history of the Browns is because Art Modell was sued by the city of Cleveland which had the NFL make him give up all intellectual rights and history of the Browns back to the city of Cleveland.
The Ravens were never an expansion, but a continuation of the original Cleveland Browns in a new city with a new name that because of legal technicalities have no official history before 1996.
Video idea: do a review of all teams in each division, example: reviewing the history of all nfc east teams, etc. just a thought…
Wonder what the next expansion teams will be and in what year
“in my 27 years of coaching”😂😂😂😂
How come the ravens weren’t included? Just curious loved the vid tho!
The browns became the ravens
@KTO ik this is a longshot but I was lookin at some of ur older videos of players with short spotlight and time playin, and was hoping if u could do a video on David Johnson, easily one of the biggest 1-2 year hit wonders
How’d you never mention Fred Taylor?!?!
I love the presentation and production values on this video, this channel has come a long way
The question I would have now is if the late 60’s teams are included where would they land? (Falcons, Dolphins, Saints, and Bengals who started between 1966 and 68)
Same, I thought those teams would be included too, since it says SB era.
@@37geeseI knew they wouldn’t be, but it is interesting to consider where they’d fall
Falcons: D
Dolphins: S
Saints: D
Bengals: A
@@KG-xt4oq Agreed, Dolphins dynasty in their first 10 years. Bengals two SB appearances in first 21 years.
I'd give the Falcons a D-
Saints I'd give an F. If just going by their first 21 years, Saints didn't even manage a single winning record.
@@KG-xt4oq Just double checked and the Saints started in 1967 (not what I thought was 1966 along with the Falcons). So their 21st year was that 1987 season where they had their first winning record. But since they promptly got blown out at home by the Vikings in the wild card, I'd still give them an F.
What about the ravens?
Something I love watching with expansion teams is guys who didnt get their shot on their first team go off to a new org and excel. Bigtime energy of that sort with Jacksonville and the Brunell/Smith tandem. Was awesome seeing the Golden Misfits in the NHL when that league expanded too.
We would live in a more interesting world if Jaguars played the Panthers in a superbowl
Give it a couple of years
Fuck it. Let's leap straight to 40 teams.
Oakland, San Diego, and St. Louis deserve teams again. Then we can just pop teams in Portland, Salt Lake, Omaha, Sacramento, and OKC. Hell, San Antonio or Austin would also work.
Free agency was way different for Bucs and Seahawks. And there was no salary-cap, too.
Bucs owner was one of the cheapest in the league, thats why Doug Williams left for USFL.
1996 was so wild, with the potential of the pair of two year old teams at the cusp of the superbowl. And Jake Delhomme is one of more forgotten super bowl QBs who was actually great despite the team losing. I think people remember his playoff meltdown versus Arizona a few years later when he threw 5 ints and then never got his confidence back.
Honestly the 2017 jags were crazy
Fun fact, Jim Zorn started some games for the Packers in 1985
Zorn was an ok quarterback, but Krieg after him was better in my opinion.
I had his football card.
Steve Spurrier was the starting QB on the 76 Bucs
Makes it seem even crazier that there’s non expansion teams who haven’t won a superbowl
Great editing KTO!
Fun fact: Tom Brady had been in the NFL longer than the Houston Texans.
I'm so sad the timeframe stopped just before the seahawks got decent 😭
The Jaguars and Panthers did so well because they were given so many extra draft picks AND were exempted from the salary cap for the first few years.
Another day another victory for the ogs (life is good when kto drops a video)
Every time KTO drops the world stops to watch fr.
Can you please make a video on this college football season? Maybe wait until after the cfp but its gotta be close to as good as 2007
How are the Browns seen as the expansion team instead of the Ravens here?
It’s an amazing feeling being a Tampa bay buccaneers fan!! Go Bucs
LFGB
This video is the high point of the panthers season
Hey man. Just wanted to say I really appreciate your videos. Keep up the good work. Just subscribed a few days ago.
Weren’t the Ravens an expansion team? Since the Colts moved from Baltimore to Indy?
No the Browns owner moved the team to Baltimore and changed the name.
Fun fact about the Texans: they’ve never made the playoffs as a wildcard team
Love your video KTO and keep up the great work
14:50 Panthers weren’t the first expansion franchise in the SB era to make the super bowl…the Bucs did it in 2002
In the 21 year time frame
i honestly cant believe the outro wasnt cj the man on track to have the best rookie year EVER
Kto has the best football content on YT. Unmatched
as a Chicagoland resident, i would love to have a team in Joliet
Late to the party so maybe someone else has said this already. The biggest benefit to those 1995 expansion teams, imo, was that pro free agency was still relatively new to the NFL and both teams fully utilized that to their advantage with low cap hits from the expansion draft players. With the extra picks as well, they utilized those pretty well - it gave the Jags flexibility to trade for Mark Brunell, for example.
Quickest I’ve been to a video
Would the ravens be consider an expansion team even though they’re basically the old browns
the fucking bucs coach is hilarious
McKay was that guy
Kto’s outro will always be elite
This is a nitpick but the Seahawks did not appear in an NFC championship game in this time frame like your end stat page says. They appeared in an AFC Championship game because they did not return to the nfc until 2002.
Bro please bring back the what if madden videos I enjoyed those so much
Another great kto vid
Awesome content dude
Thanks again KTO
Weren’t the Buccaneers the first expansion team to reach the Super Bowl? 1 year earlier than the Panthers.
Our struggle builds character.. GO BUCS! 💪💀🏴☠️ .. and no one can take our titles away baby! 🏆🏆
Seahawks played in a significanlly harder divison and were still competitive
I didn't watch football until 2008, and I like to consider myself somewhat of an NFL historian, but man, I need to quit sleeping on those 1999 Jaguars. 14-2 and putting up 62 points in a playoff game is just nightmare juggernaut material. I guess you could say if it wasn't for the Titans they'd be the 2007 Patriots. (On that note, RIP Steve McNair.)
putting the Texans in the same tier as the Jags and Seahawks is insane, the Texans have almost no playoff success at all, meanwhile the other 2 teams were miles ahead in those 21 seasons. Jags and Seahawks should be B tiers, and Texans should the C tier.
You can say what you want, but you cant deny that the expansion browns are one of the professional football teams in the national football league.
Love that ending music clip 🎶
Haha just spoke with Coach Butch Davis last night lol😂 That's my guy!!!
Also I heard that the Teams that the Buccaneers won against in 1977 that broke their losing streak that the coaches of the losing teams got fired.
Can't believe you didn't mention Fred Taylor.
Lived in Chicagoland my whole life and have never heard of the Joliet 55’ers
As a diehard Panther fan I don’t even think we’ve been the best expansion team! We definitely top 3 though.
I value the ability to build superbowl winning teams and the Bucs & Seahawks have built those kinds of teams on multiple occasions. We have not yet.
Got to love KTO here, my boy in true Cleveland disbelief. We should have kept Dobbs.
Its poop week and do youwant to know the funniest shit? Cleveland had Josh Dobbs on their roster but traded him away in late August
Please do a video on when the college All-Stars played a NFL team and actually one once or twice I believe
Finally respect for the panthers 🩵
Meanwhile they are the gutter of the NFL.. 0 rings lol
12:57 was so funny bro 😂😂
I just found out the Seahawks were in the AFC 🤯