This video was amazingly well done!! Loved all you interpretations of the cards and what they meant, youre videos always do the games and their lore justice hope you keep this up for many years to come.
Honestly, I see more Johnny playing the role as “The Fools” dog. He’s a companion who follows V, throughout the journey. Whether he becomes loyal or wants to bite you, is up to “The Fools” decisions. Also Samurai’s song, Black Dog.
@@WisdomAndEase Sure, but I'd still argue it could be V and Johnny. You only start seeing the Tarot, after meeting Johnny. It's the start of their adventure together. Plus you find the first Tarot, right outside V's Apartment, just where you first encountered Johnny. By this point V is still very much “The Fool”, Jackie is (!!!SPOILERS!!!) very much dead, and the dog is very much alive.
@@WisdomAndEase After act 1, the card are flipped. During act 1, Jackie is the magician, so I think the dog is simply supposed to represent someone else.
Lizzie's Bar is a place of rebirth for V, if you play the Corpo lifetpath especially. It's where V loses everything, pays the price of corpo life, then gets back up through Jackie's help. Later on it's there where V gets info about the chip that will quite literally bring V back to life. In the Lovers one of them having snakes (could he Johnny's tattoo, but) seems to imply how Rogue's made a deal with corps to be able to live and thrive ad a fixer.
The first life path I started out with is Nomad and it’s the one I still play the most, but the Corpo life path always seemed like it made the most sense to me narratively and also the most poetic.
Another thought about the chariot: the interaction you get with johnny in the diner is the first meaningful interaction in game after Johnny tries to gain control and even kill V in V's pad. So it is also a commitment of johnny to the ride as the passenger/guide, with V as the chariot, ending the hostility between the two, which in turn enables them to go forward on their journey. A really good guide to the tarot archetypes, explained by the story we all love, by a very wise couple of fish :). If they'd sell this deck as merchandise, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
You are correct about the cards representing people, of course, and situations... but I do think you miss the mark a bit. At last for me... which is how Tarot is meant to work I suppose. Subjectivity. It is after all V seeing these symbols, and whether Mitsy or Viktor are right, it is V's mind that is placing and interpreting their import. While the Fool is the universal symbol for beginnings, and both Jackie and V can be seen here, I am not convinced that ach has a separate role. Nor who each is. In many ways, it is *Jackie* who is so blinded by hope that he cannot see the oncoming cliff, or has the most full belief in their ability to handle anything that comes. Remember the conversation in the Delemain... V 's options revolve around ideas like keeping steady and paying attention, while Jackie can get mad at being pulled from his vision of success having already been achieved, while V seems more the dog... Already having met the world's cruelties (regardless of lifepath, V has already been screwed) V wants him to pay attention to reality. Another that I think you missed the mark on is the Magician. Of course the cards all have many meanings, but here I think the crucial one is representing Judy herself. She is a wizard with tech (and what is tech in this world but its magic?) and V is travelling to them in their quest, seeking their arcane knowledge. Yes, she has most of her tools at her disposal. But she lacks her wand... a focus. She dithers and drifts, working one thing after another, with deftness and skill but always knowing something is missing. The lovers is on its side in Cyberpunk for a reason. the visual is striking, and *very* reminiscent of one specific scene. Johnny is the one on the bottom, and Rogue the one on top, holding him from death with but the faintest touch... Note the snake. Woven all through Rogue, the one who, at a glance to Adam Smasher didn't tighten her grip, but let go. Closer to the original cards indeed, Rogue is often hinted at having done something underhanded involving Johnny's death, and this is yet another hint. One of the lovers as tempted away by evil. What deals did Rogue cut when she was seen there on top of the tower, that changed her so drastically? Or how much *before* that moment had she been already corrupted? Even Johnny decides not to pursue that knowledge despite his own questions, raised at the drive in. As for the chariot... being pulled in many ways is being used a bit more on the nose than you paint it. V wants very heavily to know how to save themselves, and is quite literally being pulled in many directions at once; ie choices to make, paths to take (and quests to choose between, so many by this point, main and side) that will only split exponentially before they ever narrow down again. Strength.. only a minor thing here, but... look at that animal's tail again... that, like the original card, is a lion. But it is in shadow, and so grey and black. Because of course Panam's strength isn't hers, at the moment, though she will always choose her family over anything, she is not with them. For now. I think there is more to the Wheel of Fortune. Spot on, as far as you took it, so many changes happen in this place for V. But the one thing it might also be showing is contextual from the first time we would see it. The clans live and die by their wheels. And yet this is Cyberpunk. Night City. Ups and downs aside, no one ever gets out of it alive. And that wheel will *always* run you over in the end. As for Justice, I think you missed something similar to the tone with the Wheel. Yes, they seek justice, a righteous striving for Evelyn. For V. For Judy's hopes. But... notice the scales. Held by a skeletal frame, *both* sides of the scales are skulls. Death. No matter how righteous, this *is* Night City. Good endings are hard to come by. Both sides of an ending lead to that skull... for everyone involved. Even should Judy not be romanced, and she lives, her heart will be broken, no matter what choices are made. Literally "all things being equal". I definitely have some ideas about the Hanged Man. Yes, Johnny made some sacrifices. Yes, he does like to talk about them (He is a sufferer of Main Character syndrome for sure. In the tabletop or here he is always an NPC, never the player...). But there are more meanings here too. Because this is the *one* conversation that can make Johnny like you, or not. Will you be someone he is dedicated to forever, like Rogue or Kerry (regardless of what they did) or will he keep thinking his charm has worked on V as it did on so many others? Because the ONE way to get Johnny's true allegiance is not to be nice to him as many may think, but to stop coddling him. To tell him how it actually is. To tell him he fucked up everything with you too... and then even and especially knowing that, V will *still* be his friend. That someone who *truly* knows him can somehow still accept him flaws and all. Sacrifice. The image of Death here... I only have one phrase to add to your summaries that struck me when I saw it the first time, and never really went away. "Time to cut the cord." I quite admire the efforts you took with this video, and the lore dip into this version of the Tarot. While I may not agree with your interpretations completely, that is also how Tarot works. It isn't about magic and tapping into powers beyond (by one basis) but about starting a conversation, a debate, and an investigation. Ending on a card with so many potential interpretations is the best way, I feel, since that is the *essence* of Tarot. They are just cards. But in examining possibilities, we come to understand more. "The unexamined life is not worth living." -Socrates (edit) Oh, and a sub/like combo for the effort and depth of this video. Excellent work.
agree with all except maybe the magician, im not an expert on tarot but judy doesn't strike me as someone like that, maybe more Lizzie herself, or her spirit rather. idk
@@cringus8519 "The Magician tarot card is a powerful archetype that represents the power of the human mind to create and transform. It is the card of manifestation and possibility. From a Jungian perspective, the Magician can be seen as the embodiment of the conscious mind." "The Magician as Career Advice: This card signals a time for clear and persuasive communication, innovation, and adaptability within your career. It's a reminder that you possess the tools to take charge of your professional path, transforming your aspirations into real-world achievements." These are two quotes that were fairly concise in how Judy herself would fit into this role. She is the one who teaches V how to turn virtu (scrolls/BDs) into real world evidence, and solve gigs. She is all about taking the dream, and making it reality. She is that for V, but also for Evie, who brings her own issue to Judy in hopes that she can work her deft magic and make it all "just work". It also applies to your very first meeting with her, pre-tarot sightings. If everyone had been honest, all cards on the table, the tragedy at Konpeki could have largely been avoided. Knowing how much of a risky gamble this is, instead of the all but done fait accompli task they sell us on, might have made the job safer; with better emergency routes at the very least. Clear and persuasive communications, innovation and adaptability indeed. She takes this further, even looking (later) to trying to repeat the perfect storm of circumstance that led to the rise of the Mox themselves when we take on Clouds. And the missing wand, in this case, is her lack of focus. Her inability to *truly* manifest these dreams into a reality as she hopes they will become. Her dreams just don't quite reach fruition, suffering from the tragedy that Night City brings to many. They stay dreams, as she had not considered the more practical, *human* sides of the equation. Definitely applies directly to a person involved with V, not someone long dead, like Lizzy. As they all do... Warnings for V. Why would they get a warning about someone they never meet?
All the cards are near what they represent. Fool represents V and his journey on which he would have gotten killed many times if not for relic (there is like 4 of them including side missions)
As someone who started with Cyberpunk when it launched, recently started learning about Tarot, then circled back to try to synthesize the two: this video is absolutely brilliant and really helped clarify a coherent interpretation of the cards both in and out of the game's context. Big thanks to you and your wife!
To add to the Death card, technically you can still go through Embers and have that convo with Hanako and still get the Tower ending as now you have the option to call Reed after leaving Vik’s clinic with Misty
Side note about the Star ending - there is just such a cure for V's condition, if you pay attention during the game there are news reports about a breakthrough development that can prevent neural deterioration from MS, and I don't believe that was put in just a fluff text, too much of a coincidence. Treatment is expensive, sure, but it's not like a whole clan with V at their peak wouldn't be able to afford it... or steal. Also in my playthrough I had something like 4M in a week, once you stop sinking it all into cyberware, so yeah star is one and only good ending.
the fool also referenced in the "going to school" scenes with David from CP Edgerunners, as David literally walked & leaped into garbage. The moon tarot also referenced in the ED footage (Let You Down) for CP Edgerunners with Lucy gazing at the moon at the end scene. So I think it also represent the unattainable dreams that so close yet so far within our grasps.
I plan to get a tattoo of the death card. I died twice after a motorcycle accident on may 1st, stage 4 interal bleeding, severe compounding of my femur, and 2 strokes leaving me in a coma for a month. The journey isn't remotely over thoigh, can't legally drive still, can't really look people in the eye anymore, serious confidence issues with being seriously imasculated. Driving and riding was everything to me...... only way to escape and meditate
Sympathy for your circumstances friend, I hope things improve for you. If nothing else, I hope you know you’ve got someone out here wishing you well and hoping for positive change for you. ❤️
@franciscopierce eh, I'm alive. May not really be living but hey. Aince it was 100% that old bitches fault, I'm getting a lotus Elise and a new ducati sooooo, fuck it 🤷♀️
I tried to get Misty to read my character's tarot cards, but I think she glitched out and is now praying to Buddha 24/7. My save file may have problems...
Great video, thanks! Seeing the King of Pentacles card in Cyberpunk I couldn't help but notice that the pentacle (both the star in the back and the five red "eyes") show the pentacle as pointed down compared to the classic tarot decks where it's pointed up. IMO this links Myers to The Devil, conveying a warning that her intentions aren't actually "good". So part of the card is reversed, a symbolism of stubbornness and and obsession with power and status. And indeed she is a militaristic corpo, with wars of conquest under her belt, using people like tools until they "expire" instead of being a caring "father".
I see the King of Wands applying to both Reed & Hansen. Both have a similar story but took different paths. Both served Myer and were discarded and reacted differently to their situations. One is focused & small while the other powerful & rampant but both are at risk of losing everything.
I definitely think the Star card/Star ending is rhe canonical ending story for V. Even if they don't find a cure for V, he/she is free from night city and accomplished what he/she wanted in Night City (to be a legend). Next step is to move on to a different journey/mission.
I disagree but that is kind of the ppoint of a good game for me it is the secret ending with Johnny (Don't fear ) the Reaper: You seek out all avenues to find a cure you realize what scum aasaka is and how they will not help you ruling out the Devil, you learn from Songbird how selfish it is to kill hundreds and endanger your friends just get a cure you are not certain will work so you rule out getting the help of the aldecaldos and and rogue and realize thath the only choice is the same choice dexter the shawn gave you at the beginning : ' The quiet life or going out in a blaze of glory
@@artemegorov9190 All true! Here's my thoughts on that! The secret ending connects with the Sun ending, just Rogue doesn't die (which is good. Johnny wouldn't ask her if he knew she would die). What if the Sun ending and Star ending are Canon. After V does what Mr. Blue Eyes wants, he's achieved everything him and Jackie set out to do, and has the cure. I don't think V would want a stagnant life like Rogue and be the, 'King of Fixers' just sitting in the afterlife until he's old. I think he'd leave NC and possibly try and find Panam. I just don't think the Devil (why would you side with the very company you were stealing from), Temperance, (If you're nice to Johnny, by the end of the game he has changed and I don't believe he would want to take V's body. He set out to help V and give him is life back) or Songbird's endings are Canon.
true i mean if blue eyes can cure songbird and the nusa can definetly cure V there is no reason that neither blue eyes could fix V as payment for the job or V can find help on NUSA level from the money he will get with the crystal palace money @@Catholic_Wook
@@Catholic_Wook I think the Sun ending might actually be the worst of them all, instead of selling out to Araska or NUSA you sell out to a rouge AI that is Mr. Blue Eyes. It might not be as their motives are not known to us yet, but it doesn't seem that they care about the well being of their pawns regardless. Star is the good ending, the cure Panam is talking about exists, it's in the in game news, and getting it seems like just the thing Panam is good at.
I love an underrated Theory that the Tarot was because Jackie slotted the Chip 1st and thus was guiding V via Tarots he and Misty know very well. Prop why his engram in the ending was just fragments of his final moments as a good majority of his persona is already in the chip. But thats just a theory! A game theory!
Re: the magician - the card is tightly associated in the act of stopping thinking about doing something, and just DOING the thing. Projects, plans, schemes and so on. Personally, I believe it also relates to Judy’s end-story quest at Laguna Bend, where she stops mulling it over and simply tries to DO the BD recording. She mentions it at least once in her plot line, and there’s also a shard mentioning it in her flat. Outside of the obvious heist plan and all that, I think this is quite a nice card to have outside Judy’s workplace.
There is a important difference between the real King of Cups and the one from the game: In the actual card, the king holds in his right hand the cup representing the emotions, and his left has a sceptre, showing power and control. In the game version, the king is holding ONLY the cup, with his left hand clearly being empty. It could mean that Songbird is lead only by her emotions and doesn't have any real Control. No balance. No power over her fate. Only a illusionary sense of it.
For the death card, you actually can still come face to face with Hanako if you want to do the tower ending. You just call Reed when you’re on the rooftop if you didn’t do so earlier
After reading through the Tarot descriptions in the game, I took away that the cards represented the "main characters" of the storyline of the arc that was in that area. For example, while the Fool card represents V and Johnny, the Magician card represents Judy and the Empress card represents Rogue.
i know this would've made the video even longer but i think it would've been cool, especially for the cards clearly related/representing a character, to have briefly discussed the reverse version of the card. i think it could've given some insight in say, character flaws/further character understanding and such even if the reversed versions aren't what we see. also i think its interesting how in PL in order to get the King of Wands (the card representing Reed) achievement you have to side with Songbird while to get the King of Cups (Songbird's card) achievement you have to side with Reed. anyways loved the video, great work!
I agree with everything you said about the meaning of The Magician card, but more so always thought there was an emphasis on that card representing Judy due its placement outside Lizzie’s and you usually finding it when you go see her after Evelyn goes missing. I feel like most major players have their own cards in that respect.
I went and sought out the tarot graffiti after getting the side quest, whenever I was nearby one. I didn't realize that the missions take you to the places they are at and were relevant to that mission, until the one on the oil field water tower when the game took me out there. Missed out on some cool narrative devices. If you haven't played the game yet... don't go seek them, you will be taken to them. And then you get to have all those "ohhhhh wow I get it. Clever" moments.
The achievements (or trophies) actually points out a lot of the tarot cards in the game. For example, "the hermit" is unlocked when you meet alt and "the high priestess" when you meet hanako.
Maybe I’m stupid but I realized on my second play through that they all signify a character or an event based on there location and timing in the story. The death tarot card is right by Embers, which I believe you can only access when you go to see Hanako during the last mission of the game. The mission where either you or Johnny die, or any number of other characters. Super cool detail they didn’t have to add but the level and depth it gives is awesome.
27:33 This place, where death can be found, is just the top of the parking where we first meet jackies in the street kid lifepath, 41:40 the sun is just under V's penthouse
During current playthrough I considered Hierophant's trust and faith as almost fanatic one. That despite his previous world not wanting him back (assassination attempt, Oda's refusal to hear out V's and Takemura's story) Takemura is still loyal to the company and what it stands for.
Side note your game might glitch when talking to Misty asking her to read the cards and will glitch out phone call messages to Jackie as the phone will no longer to to voicemail after talking with misty about them… for me at least I never talked to misty in her shop and first time around missed the messages V leaves for Jackie very wholesome
Misty said to think of where we see each card and what it might relate to. I used to think the magician was Evelyn, but I see her now as the inverted magician as it can (but doesn't always) suggest manipulation and deception. That's definitely Evelyn. Not only does she hide things from you, but tried to get V to haze Dex. If that doesn't fit, nothing does.
I'm sure someone already pointed it out but 14:57 only one skeleton on The Lovers card had snakes.. both out of time and speaking in tongues, but only one is lying.. which one?
Could you talk about the phantom liberty ending? I don’t think V was in a coma on accident. Seeing as in the RED book brain dance is revealed to be a method of imprisonment
Mt first playthrough I got the devil ending...was not happy about it. The rush of getting things done and suddenly I was in a space hospital with no choice other then to sign my soul away. Working on playthrough 2 atm
The King of Swords could represent Hansen because he is a sharp and stern leader on the outside, yet cares deeply for the men under his command. The Magician can also represent Evelyn because she is schemer who figuratively wears different faces due to her Doll implants and escapes from one mess to another until she's snuffed out by the VDBs. Justice can also represent Evelyn's punishment because she schemed to betray V, Dex, and everyone else involved in the heist in order to save her skin.
I'm still trying to figure out what link the Sun card/ending might have with the location it is found in. Most if not all cards have some link to their locations/people you meet in those locations. Can't seem to figure out what that is for The Sun.
Could the hermit card have to do something with the area on the roof that misty shows you close to the end of the game? I mean both Misty and Johnny both mentioned how that spot is a great spot to be alone and secluded to yourself so you can take a breather and get your thoughts straight
For the lovers, them being represented as skeletons has some relevance to Rogue and Johnny. With Johnny having died in body, and Rogue in soul by selling out to Arasaka.
The way I see it, the Magician card represents Evelyn rather than the Mox. Within the card in game I see a person without a face, but having many faces to choose from. The symbol of infinity within it being also an idea of infinite potential, but with that comes infinite hardship. And if you look at Evelyn you see a doll, a bd star, an escort, Dex's client, Dex's enemy by trying to cut him off and so on. You can see how fast she can change her moods in the bar, from confident and intelligent towarda V, to desperate pragmatism towarda Judy. Again confirmed during the BD when its commentes on how fast she controlled her fear. But as stated before, potential comes with hardship and well... she endured too much by the end of it all.
Couldn't find any other way to find out so I am just going to ask here. Are you the same guy who has the Foolish Fish channel? I was honestly looking to see if there was a review of a cyberpunk art style tarot deck when I came across this video. Then it dawned on me, WiseFish, like the opposite of Foolish Fish? Or maybe just a coincidence? BTW didn't even know that Cyberpunk 2077 had these as plot devices, it actually makes me want to go out and get the game now.
The Magician card missing the wand. I agree withe idea of Judy lacking focus (the wand representing focus) but my boyfriend pointed something out that makes the lack of the wand to mean so much more general and significant. The wand represents magic and in the world of cyberpunk people have lost touch with spiritually, religion, faith, and magic. Or at the very least feels shallow from my experience playing the game.
Tarot does not really work the way it is portrayed in the interpretation made in de video. For example, the cards will always be in relation to the one to whom the consultation is. So it is probable that all cards relate to V. When a card has a person, or relates to a person, which arent among the major arcanum, then it might have relative meanings. The major arcanum is mostly "forces of nature over the consulting person". So in the Hermit case for example, it relates to V, not to anyone else, from V point of view, which is the case as V is the one who sees it. There is also a mistaken back and forth or mash up of the meaning when the card is upright or reversed. The fool for example means "new beginnings", "Originality" if upright, but naivety and poor judgement only if reversed. The hanged man depicts a upsidedown man when UPRIGHT, and therefore, it is not reversed in that representation. IT means breaking patterns, changing paradigms when upright (which means the man hanging upside down). A lot of other cards have this small misinterpretations. You can "think" whatever you want from them, but their meaning within Tarot is well established, not a question of "interpretation". What is interpreted in Tarot is the context in which the meaning applies to the consulting person. So the fool always mean new beginnings or originality when upright, what that relates to the person consulting, then it is up to interpretation.
Saying a torture victim who is trying to escape said torture is just "controlled by her emotions" is uh... eh.... yeah.... not good. Especially when we see Reed have to take a lil nappy sit down to drink and nurse his feefees - "thats how i deal with adversity, it's how im built'
Hey love your work but you messed up with the pentical/pentagram thing I know it's confusing because of the misinformation around it created by the church as you mentioned but what a pentical is a five pointed star with a circle around it connecting the point which are supposed to represent the 5 elements fire, air, earth, water, and spirit.. the church created the pentagram which was the upsidedown star with the circle connecting the points it's a bastardized version of it used to demonize the Celts or a Roman white wash version which happens alot throughout history weather it's around religions like this is, wars, battles, people's very existence even cities, and some city states have either entirely been lost to time or had their stories changed so much that what we know now is more of a bastardized version of of what it actually was like or happened sorry major history nerd lol
Imo.... The fool card really represented David .... As he first starts off to school taking a leap into a new journey.. just a thought tho..... And as far as you know do these cards represent edge runners???? Thank you and keep up the lore!!
It’s a great vid disagree with a few interpretations but good nonetheless. Also arosaka a the nsua don’t actually save you if anything hanako lies to you an goro tells you you’ll still die. A reed lies to you just like he did to song an Alex a they damage you beyond repair. An the sun isn’t really what I’d call the good ending but nonetheless good vid. I’m sorry I 100% disagree with your interpretation of reed, as if you pay attention reed does things for himself and for Myers every choice he makes is selfish
You guys did all this to discuss the tarot cards but didn’t include location markers? No bueno! Someone definitely missed the mark on this one! I don’t even wanna watch now.
The markers are right on your in-game map, when you get the quest from Misty. And there are plenty of interactive maps on the internet if you look for a specific card's location, which are much more useful than a split second map screen flash in a video.
To add to the other reply, you can literally filter your map to show only the graffiti locations, and set them as waypoint markers to be automatically guided to them. This video isn't even required to find them, and you picked a hell of a weird thing to nitpick.
I think the magician is more representative of Evelyn Parker. She was the one who instigated the heist to get the bio-chip. In turn she was the cause of the transformation of V in the first place. She also had many faces, Yorinobu’s girl, Voodoo boys tool, Judy’s friend, she is confident that she can trick everyone to make the impossible happen for her goals, getting the biochip and running away. You also meet her at Lizzie’s, and go back there to find her through Judy. The Lizzie idea is cool, but I think it’s a little out of place.
Hope you all enjoyed this different style of video where it’s more theory mixed with lore. Do let me know if you’d like any more like this!
I dig your videos and in depth knowledge so I am very here for more theory courtesy of you and the missus
I prob missed it, but can you get every card in one play through or is it an either or at the end?
Love this style of video, would definitely be thrilled to watch more. Though all your videos are great cyberpunk or other.
This video was amazingly well done!! Loved all you interpretations of the cards and what they meant, youre videos always do the games and their lore justice hope you keep this up for many years to come.
Dude, you're input relationship between the Tarot meanings and the Cyberpunk world was so damn fucking amazing!!!
Honestly, I see more Johnny playing the role as “The Fools” dog. He’s a companion who follows V, throughout the journey. Whether he becomes loyal or wants to bite you, is up to “The Fools” decisions. Also Samurai’s song, Black Dog.
"Black Dog in my head! Guiding me to the end..."
It all started first with Jackie and V. The fools card is the first card of the tarot deck.
@@WisdomAndEase Sure, but I'd still argue it could be V and Johnny. You only start seeing the Tarot, after meeting Johnny. It's the start of their adventure together. Plus you find the first Tarot, right outside V's Apartment, just where you first encountered Johnny. By this point V is still very much “The Fool”, Jackie is (!!!SPOILERS!!!) very much dead, and the dog is very much alive.
@@WisdomAndEase After act 1, the card are flipped. During act 1, Jackie is the magician, so I think the dog is simply supposed to represent someone else.
Jackie could be the fool and V could be the dog.
Lizzie's Bar is a place of rebirth for V, if you play the Corpo lifetpath especially. It's where V loses everything, pays the price of corpo life, then gets back up through Jackie's help. Later on it's there where V gets info about the chip that will quite literally bring V back to life.
In the Lovers one of them having snakes (could he Johnny's tattoo, but) seems to imply how Rogue's made a deal with corps to be able to live and thrive ad a fixer.
The first life path I started out with is Nomad and it’s the one I still play the most, but the Corpo life path always seemed like it made the most sense to me narratively and also the most poetic.
Another thought about the chariot: the interaction you get with johnny in the diner is the first meaningful interaction in game after Johnny tries to gain control and even kill V in V's pad. So it is also a commitment of johnny to the ride as the passenger/guide, with V as the chariot, ending the hostility between the two, which in turn enables them to go forward on their journey.
A really good guide to the tarot archetypes, explained by the story we all love, by a very wise couple of fish :).
If they'd sell this deck as merchandise, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Rogue actually has a son, a fact that is revealed during the Sun ending and strengthens the correlation between her and the Empress card.
You are correct about the cards representing people, of course, and situations... but I do think you miss the mark a bit. At last for me... which is how Tarot is meant to work I suppose. Subjectivity. It is after all V seeing these symbols, and whether Mitsy or Viktor are right, it is V's mind that is placing and interpreting their import.
While the Fool is the universal symbol for beginnings, and both Jackie and V can be seen here, I am not convinced that ach has a separate role. Nor who each is. In many ways, it is *Jackie* who is so blinded by hope that he cannot see the oncoming cliff, or has the most full belief in their ability to handle anything that comes. Remember the conversation in the Delemain... V 's options revolve around ideas like keeping steady and paying attention, while Jackie can get mad at being pulled from his vision of success having already been achieved, while V seems more the dog... Already having met the world's cruelties (regardless of lifepath, V has already been screwed) V wants him to pay attention to reality.
Another that I think you missed the mark on is the Magician. Of course the cards all have many meanings, but here I think the crucial one is representing Judy herself. She is a wizard with tech (and what is tech in this world but its magic?) and V is travelling to them in their quest, seeking their arcane knowledge. Yes, she has most of her tools at her disposal. But she lacks her wand... a focus. She dithers and drifts, working one thing after another, with deftness and skill but always knowing something is missing.
The lovers is on its side in Cyberpunk for a reason. the visual is striking, and *very* reminiscent of one specific scene. Johnny is the one on the bottom, and Rogue the one on top, holding him from death with but the faintest touch... Note the snake. Woven all through Rogue, the one who, at a glance to Adam Smasher didn't tighten her grip, but let go. Closer to the original cards indeed, Rogue is often hinted at having done something underhanded involving Johnny's death, and this is yet another hint. One of the lovers as tempted away by evil. What deals did Rogue cut when she was seen there on top of the tower, that changed her so drastically? Or how much *before* that moment had she been already corrupted? Even Johnny decides not to pursue that knowledge despite his own questions, raised at the drive in.
As for the chariot... being pulled in many ways is being used a bit more on the nose than you paint it. V wants very heavily to know how to save themselves, and is quite literally being pulled in many directions at once; ie choices to make, paths to take (and quests to choose between, so many by this point, main and side) that will only split exponentially before they ever narrow down again.
Strength.. only a minor thing here, but... look at that animal's tail again... that, like the original card, is a lion. But it is in shadow, and so grey and black. Because of course Panam's strength isn't hers, at the moment, though she will always choose her family over anything, she is not with them. For now.
I think there is more to the Wheel of Fortune. Spot on, as far as you took it, so many changes happen in this place for V. But the one thing it might also be showing is contextual from the first time we would see it. The clans live and die by their wheels. And yet this is Cyberpunk. Night City. Ups and downs aside, no one ever gets out of it alive. And that wheel will *always* run you over in the end.
As for Justice, I think you missed something similar to the tone with the Wheel. Yes, they seek justice, a righteous striving for Evelyn. For V. For Judy's hopes. But... notice the scales. Held by a skeletal frame, *both* sides of the scales are skulls. Death. No matter how righteous, this *is* Night City. Good endings are hard to come by. Both sides of an ending lead to that skull... for everyone involved. Even should Judy not be romanced, and she lives, her heart will be broken, no matter what choices are made. Literally "all things being equal".
I definitely have some ideas about the Hanged Man. Yes, Johnny made some sacrifices. Yes, he does like to talk about them (He is a sufferer of Main Character syndrome for sure. In the tabletop or here he is always an NPC, never the player...). But there are more meanings here too. Because this is the *one* conversation that can make Johnny like you, or not. Will you be someone he is dedicated to forever, like Rogue or Kerry (regardless of what they did) or will he keep thinking his charm has worked on V as it did on so many others? Because the ONE way to get Johnny's true allegiance is not to be nice to him as many may think, but to stop coddling him. To tell him how it actually is. To tell him he fucked up everything with you too... and then even and especially knowing that, V will *still* be his friend. That someone who *truly* knows him can somehow still accept him flaws and all. Sacrifice.
The image of Death here... I only have one phrase to add to your summaries that struck me when I saw it the first time, and never really went away. "Time to cut the cord."
I quite admire the efforts you took with this video, and the lore dip into this version of the Tarot. While I may not agree with your interpretations completely, that is also how Tarot works. It isn't about magic and tapping into powers beyond (by one basis) but about starting a conversation, a debate, and an investigation. Ending on a card with so many potential interpretations is the best way, I feel, since that is the *essence* of Tarot. They are just cards. But in examining possibilities, we come to understand more.
"The unexamined life is not worth living." -Socrates
(edit) Oh, and a sub/like combo for the effort and depth of this video. Excellent work.
agree with all except maybe the magician, im not an expert on tarot but judy doesn't strike me as someone like that, maybe more Lizzie herself, or her spirit rather. idk
@@cringus8519 "The Magician tarot card is a powerful archetype that represents the power of the human mind to create and transform. It is the card of manifestation and possibility. From a Jungian perspective, the Magician can be seen as the embodiment of the conscious mind."
"The Magician as Career Advice: This card signals a time for clear and persuasive communication, innovation, and adaptability within your career. It's a reminder that you possess the tools to take charge of your professional path, transforming your aspirations into real-world achievements."
These are two quotes that were fairly concise in how Judy herself would fit into this role. She is the one who teaches V how to turn virtu (scrolls/BDs) into real world evidence, and solve gigs. She is all about taking the dream, and making it reality. She is that for V, but also for Evie, who brings her own issue to Judy in hopes that she can work her deft magic and make it all "just work".
It also applies to your very first meeting with her, pre-tarot sightings. If everyone had been honest, all cards on the table, the tragedy at Konpeki could have largely been avoided. Knowing how much of a risky gamble this is, instead of the all but done fait accompli task they sell us on, might have made the job safer; with better emergency routes at the very least. Clear and persuasive communications, innovation and adaptability indeed.
She takes this further, even looking (later) to trying to repeat the perfect storm of circumstance that led to the rise of the Mox themselves when we take on Clouds.
And the missing wand, in this case, is her lack of focus. Her inability to *truly* manifest these dreams into a reality as she hopes they will become. Her dreams just don't quite reach fruition, suffering from the tragedy that Night City brings to many. They stay dreams, as she had not considered the more practical, *human* sides of the equation.
Definitely applies directly to a person involved with V, not someone long dead, like Lizzy. As they all do... Warnings for V. Why would they get a warning about someone they never meet?
Honestly, I'm not too versed in tarot cards, but the fool card being near V's appartement is a fun touch.
All the cards are near what they represent. Fool represents V and his journey on which he would have gotten killed many times if not for relic (there is like 4 of them including side missions)
As someone who started with Cyberpunk when it launched, recently started learning about Tarot, then circled back to try to synthesize the two: this video is absolutely brilliant and really helped clarify a coherent interpretation of the cards both in and out of the game's context.
Big thanks to you and your wife!
To add to the Death card, technically you can still go through Embers and have that convo with Hanako and still get the Tower ending as now you have the option to call Reed after leaving Vik’s clinic with Misty
Side note about the Star ending - there is just such a cure for V's condition, if you pay attention during the game there are news reports about a breakthrough development that can prevent neural deterioration from MS, and I don't believe that was put in just a fluff text, too much of a coincidence.
Treatment is expensive, sure, but it's not like a whole clan with V at their peak wouldn't be able to afford it... or steal. Also in my playthrough I had something like 4M in a week, once you stop sinking it all into cyberware, so yeah star is one and only good ending.
clothing is expensive
"both our passions and reasonable restrictions can exist in order to have a balanced life"
something far too many folks can't seem to recognize
Especially older person, like my father.
Ikr
the fool also referenced in the "going to school" scenes with David from CP Edgerunners, as David literally walked & leaped into garbage.
The moon tarot also referenced in the ED footage (Let You Down) for CP Edgerunners with Lucy gazing at the moon at the end scene. So I think it also represent the unattainable dreams that so close yet so far within our grasps.
I plan to get a tattoo of the death card. I died twice after a motorcycle accident on may 1st, stage 4 interal bleeding, severe compounding of my femur, and 2 strokes leaving me in a coma for a month. The journey isn't remotely over thoigh, can't legally drive still, can't really look people in the eye anymore, serious confidence issues with being seriously imasculated. Driving and riding was everything to me...... only way to escape and meditate
Sympathy for your circumstances friend, I hope things improve for you. If nothing else, I hope you know you’ve got someone out here wishing you well and hoping for positive change for you. ❤️
@franciscopierce eh, I'm alive. May not really be living but hey. Aince it was 100% that old bitches fault, I'm getting a lotus Elise and a new ducati sooooo, fuck it 🤷♀️
I tried to get Misty to read my character's tarot cards, but I think she glitched out and is now praying to Buddha 24/7. My save file may have problems...
You helped Misty reach enlightenment. GG! 😂
Great video, thanks!
Seeing the King of Pentacles card in Cyberpunk I couldn't help but notice that the pentacle (both the star in the back and the five red "eyes") show the pentacle as pointed down compared to the classic tarot decks where it's pointed up. IMO this links Myers to The Devil, conveying a warning that her intentions aren't actually "good". So part of the card is reversed, a symbolism of stubbornness and and obsession with power and status. And indeed she is a militaristic corpo, with wars of conquest under her belt, using people like tools until they "expire" instead of being a caring "father".
I see the King of Wands applying to both Reed & Hansen. Both have a similar story but took different paths. Both served Myer and were discarded and reacted differently to their situations. One is focused & small while the other powerful & rampant but both are at risk of losing everything.
I definitely think the Star card/Star ending is rhe canonical ending story for V. Even if they don't find a cure for V, he/she is free from night city and accomplished what he/she wanted in Night City (to be a legend). Next step is to move on to a different journey/mission.
That's the "good" ending to me too.
I disagree but that is kind of the ppoint of a good game for me it is the secret ending with Johnny (Don't fear ) the Reaper: You seek out all avenues to find a cure you realize what scum aasaka is and how they will not help you ruling out the Devil, you learn from Songbird how selfish it is to kill hundreds and endanger your friends just get a cure you are not certain will work so you rule out getting the help of the aldecaldos and and rogue and realize thath the only choice is the same choice dexter the shawn gave you at the beginning : ' The quiet life or going out in a blaze of glory
@@artemegorov9190 All true! Here's my thoughts on that! The secret ending connects with the Sun ending, just Rogue doesn't die (which is good. Johnny wouldn't ask her if he knew she would die). What if the Sun ending and Star ending are Canon. After V does what Mr. Blue Eyes wants, he's achieved everything him and Jackie set out to do, and has the cure. I don't think V would want a stagnant life like Rogue and be the, 'King of Fixers' just sitting in the afterlife until he's old. I think he'd leave NC and possibly try and find Panam. I just don't think the Devil (why would you side with the very company you were stealing from), Temperance, (If you're nice to Johnny, by the end of the game he has changed and I don't believe he would want to take V's body. He set out to help V and give him is life back) or Songbird's endings are Canon.
true i mean if blue eyes can cure songbird and the nusa can definetly cure V there is no reason that neither blue eyes could fix V as payment for the job or V can find help on NUSA level from the money he will get with the crystal palace money
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@@Catholic_Wook I think the Sun ending might actually be the worst of them all, instead of selling out to Araska or NUSA you sell out to a rouge AI that is Mr. Blue Eyes. It might not be as their motives are not known to us yet, but it doesn't seem that they care about the well being of their pawns regardless.
Star is the good ending, the cure Panam is talking about exists, it's in the in game news, and getting it seems like just the thing Panam is good at.
I love these videos! They get me in the mood to play the game
An interesting change in targeted lore. Great video.
I love an underrated Theory that the Tarot was because Jackie slotted the Chip 1st and thus was guiding V via Tarots he and Misty know very well.
Prop why his engram in the ending was just fragments of his final moments as a good majority of his persona is already in the chip.
But thats just a theory! A game theory!
You should do a video on the Soviet Union and it's dealings in Night City.
For real. There's a bunch of side gigs that go into this and V gets caught up in it if you pay attention to the briefings
Mate please do more cyberpunk! After PL I can't stop consuming cyberpunk media. The world building is amazing!
Re: the magician - the card is tightly associated in the act of stopping thinking about doing something, and just DOING the thing. Projects, plans, schemes and so on. Personally, I believe it also relates to Judy’s end-story quest at Laguna Bend, where she stops mulling it over and simply tries to DO the BD recording. She mentions it at least once in her plot line, and there’s also a shard mentioning it in her flat. Outside of the obvious heist plan and all that, I think this is quite a nice card to have outside Judy’s workplace.
This had such merch potential, as a tarot card collector and someone who use them, I would love them
There is a important difference between the real King of Cups and the one from the game: In the actual card, the king holds in his right hand the cup representing the emotions, and his left has a sceptre, showing power and control. In the game version, the king is holding ONLY the cup, with his left hand clearly being empty. It could mean that Songbird is lead only by her emotions and doesn't have any real Control. No balance. No power over her fate. Only a illusionary sense of it.
I think the tarot cards represent characters in the story as well. Each one could have a unique counterpart
oh ya, new WiseFish lore video.
For the death card, you actually can still come face to face with Hanako if you want to do the tower ending. You just call Reed when you’re on the rooftop if you didn’t do so earlier
Thanks Mrs. Wisefish for helping Mr. wisefish with this amazing video :)))
I needed this especially on a Monday 💜
After reading through the Tarot descriptions in the game, I took away that the cards represented the "main characters" of the storyline of the arc that was in that area. For example, while the Fool card represents V and Johnny, the Magician card represents Judy and the Empress card represents Rogue.
i know this would've made the video even longer but i think it would've been cool, especially for the cards clearly related/representing a character, to have briefly discussed the reverse version of the card. i think it could've given some insight in say, character flaws/further character understanding and such even if the reversed versions aren't what we see. also i think its interesting how in PL in order to get the King of Wands (the card representing Reed) achievement you have to side with Songbird while to get the King of Cups (Songbird's card) achievement you have to side with Reed. anyways loved the video, great work!
This was a great video! & Mrs. WiseFish, please make some videos about tarot! I'd love to learn more 😁🙏🏼
Honestly I like to think that Jackie is the fool and we’re the loyal dog that follows him in his attempt to make it big but that could just be me.🤔🐱
Ooo I prefer that actually!
This game has many layers I can see why Kojima wad more than happy to cameo wouldn't be surprised if he gave some inputs
I agree with everything you said about the meaning of The Magician card, but more so always thought there was an emphasis on that card representing Judy due its placement outside Lizzie’s and you usually finding it when you go see her after Evelyn goes missing. I feel like most major players have their own cards in that respect.
I went and sought out the tarot graffiti after getting the side quest, whenever I was nearby one.
I didn't realize that the missions take you to the places they are at and were relevant to that mission, until the one on the oil field water tower when the game took me out there.
Missed out on some cool narrative devices.
If you haven't played the game yet... don't go seek them, you will be taken to them. And then you get to have all those "ohhhhh wow I get it. Clever" moments.
The achievements (or trophies) actually points out a lot of the tarot cards in the game. For example, "the hermit" is unlocked when you meet alt and "the high priestess" when you meet hanako.
Maybe I’m stupid but I realized on my second play through that they all signify a character or an event based on there location and timing in the story. The death tarot card is right by Embers, which I believe you can only access when you go to see Hanako during the last mission of the game. The mission where either you or Johnny die, or any number of other characters. Super cool detail they didn’t have to add but the level and depth it gives is awesome.
27:33 This place, where death can be found, is just the top of the parking where we first meet jackies in the street kid lifepath, 41:40 the sun is just under V's penthouse
During current playthrough I considered Hierophant's trust and faith as almost fanatic one. That despite his previous world not wanting him back (assassination attempt, Oda's refusal to hear out V's and Takemura's story) Takemura is still loyal to the company and what it stands for.
Side note your game might glitch when talking to
Misty asking her to read the cards and will glitch out phone call messages to Jackie as the phone will no longer to to voicemail after talking with misty about them… for me at least I never talked to misty in her shop and first time around missed the messages V leaves for Jackie very wholesome
Misty said to think of where we see each card and what it might relate to. I used to think the magician was Evelyn, but I see her now as the inverted magician as it can (but doesn't always) suggest manipulation and deception. That's definitely Evelyn. Not only does she hide things from you, but tried to get V to haze Dex. If that doesn't fit, nothing does.
11:10 I wonder if the Emperor card looking like this is a reference to the Emperor from warhammer 40k
I'm sure someone already pointed it out but 14:57 only one skeleton on The Lovers card had snakes.. both out of time and speaking in tongues, but only one is lying.. which one?
Could you talk about the phantom liberty ending? I don’t think V was in a coma on accident. Seeing as in the RED book brain dance is revealed to be a method of imprisonment
This was awesome.
Mt first playthrough I got the devil ending...was not happy about it. The rush of getting things done and suddenly I was in a space hospital with no choice other then to sign my soul away. Working on playthrough 2 atm
Judgement one I also see as Alt freeing all the engrams inside. This basically feels like the first trumpet for the AIs effect on the world.
Yes sir we are back!
Yo in case you guys didn't know "the arcana is the means by wich all is revealed"
- Definitly not Nyx p3
We could say you burned my bread 😉
Awesome video!
The King of Swords could represent Hansen because he is a sharp and stern leader on the outside, yet cares deeply for the men under his command.
The Magician can also represent Evelyn because she is schemer who figuratively wears different faces due to her Doll implants and escapes from one mess to another until she's snuffed out by the VDBs.
Justice can also represent Evelyn's punishment because she schemed to betray V, Dex, and everyone else involved in the heist in order to save her skin.
I'm still trying to figure out what link the Sun card/ending might have with the location it is found in. Most if not all cards have some link to their locations/people you meet in those locations. Can't seem to figure out what that is for The Sun.
Why Songbird ending in Phantom Liberty has achievement "King of Wands" if it supposed to represent Solomon Reed?
Could the hermit card have to do something with the area on the roof that misty shows you close to the end of the game? I mean both Misty and Johnny both mentioned how that spot is a great spot to be alone and secluded to yourself so you can take a breather and get your thoughts straight
For the lovers, them being represented as skeletons has some relevance to Rogue and Johnny. With Johnny having died in body, and Rogue in soul by selling out to Arasaka.
2:08 scary AI possessed maintenance bot
Rouge actually is a mother, there is a scene in the game where she is speaking with her son as he is roadside
Thank you for this im just running around doijg them all again having drinks along the way
The way I see it, the Magician card represents Evelyn rather than the Mox. Within the card in game I see a person without a face, but having many faces to choose from. The symbol of infinity within it being also an idea of infinite potential, but with that comes infinite hardship.
And if you look at Evelyn you see a doll, a bd star, an escort, Dex's client, Dex's enemy by trying to cut him off and so on. You can see how fast she can change her moods in the bar, from confident and intelligent towarda V, to desperate pragmatism towarda Judy. Again confirmed during the BD when its commentes on how fast she controlled her fear.
But as stated before, potential comes with hardship and well... she endured too much by the end of it all.
8:00 "B and [JAY]" as in "Bo-az" and "Yo-ah-keem"
Couldn't find any other way to find out so I am just going to ask here. Are you the same guy who has the Foolish Fish channel? I was honestly looking to see if there was a review of a cyberpunk art style tarot deck when I came across this video. Then it dawned on me, WiseFish, like the opposite of Foolish Fish? Or maybe just a coincidence? BTW didn't even know that Cyberpunk 2077 had these as plot devices, it actually makes me want to go out and get the game now.
Huh, Cyberpunk and Persona. Two games with a heavy tarot motif, and both I happen to be rather fond of? Coincidence? Probably.
Oh god, he said Symbology and all i can hear now is Willem Defoe in boondock saints
The Magician card missing the wand. I agree withe idea of Judy lacking focus (the wand representing focus) but my boyfriend pointed something out that makes the lack of the wand to mean so much more general and significant. The wand represents magic and in the world of cyberpunk people have lost touch with spiritually, religion, faith, and magic. Or at the very least feels shallow from my experience playing the game.
1 hour of lore from the fish himself 🎉🎉🎉
You could say V was a "Fool" playing in a game of "Kings" in phantom liberty
Wise fish. Corpo, streetkid or nomad?
Well, it got me to do a tarot reading in real life so I dare say the game did it's job ;)
I think the star card is a dichotomy of those being blinded by the light and the latter being said light
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If it was a reference to Oden, one of the eyes would be missing
I'd like to think that each card represents not only V but everyone that V encounters or meets.
In one shape or form
They should have had one of the card companies make a real cyberpunk tarot we could buy.
I always thought the magician was Jonny silver hand
Tarot does not really work the way it is portrayed in the interpretation made in de video. For example, the cards will always be in relation to the one to whom the consultation is. So it is probable that all cards relate to V. When a card has a person, or relates to a person, which arent among the major arcanum, then it might have relative meanings.
The major arcanum is mostly "forces of nature over the consulting person". So in the Hermit case for example, it relates to V, not to anyone else, from V point of view, which is the case as V is the one who sees it.
There is also a mistaken back and forth or mash up of the meaning when the card is upright or reversed. The fool for example means "new beginnings", "Originality" if upright, but naivety and poor judgement only if reversed.
The hanged man depicts a upsidedown man when UPRIGHT, and therefore, it is not reversed in that representation. IT means breaking patterns, changing paradigms when upright (which means the man hanging upside down).
A lot of other cards have this small misinterpretations. You can "think" whatever you want from them, but their meaning within Tarot is well established, not a question of "interpretation". What is interpreted in Tarot is the context in which the meaning applies to the consulting person. So the fool always mean new beginnings or originality when upright, what that relates to the person consulting, then it is up to interpretation.
Is the Emperor tarot card a reference to the Emperor of Mankind of Warhammer?
Watching this while replaying and it def has to be based if not based at least framed around it
Hell yeah, perfect video for when I'm in bed dying of man-flu!
Anybody else get the blade runner homage with the look of the fortune teller?
Saying a torture victim who is trying to escape said torture is just "controlled by her emotions" is uh... eh.... yeah.... not good. Especially when we see Reed have to take a lil nappy sit down to drink and nurse his feefees - "thats how i deal with adversity, it's how im built'
Hey love your work but you messed up with the pentical/pentagram thing I know it's confusing because of the misinformation around it created by the church as you mentioned but what a pentical is a five pointed star with a circle around it connecting the point which are supposed to represent the 5 elements fire, air, earth, water, and spirit.. the church created the pentagram which was the upsidedown star with the circle connecting the points it's a bastardized version of it used to demonize the Celts or a Roman white wash version which happens alot throughout history weather it's around religions like this is, wars, battles, people's very existence even cities, and some city states have either entirely been lost to time or had their stories changed so much that what we know now is more of a bastardized version of of what it actually was like or happened sorry major history nerd lol
Imo.... The fool card really represented David .... As he first starts off to school taking a leap into a new journey.. just a thought tho..... And as far as you know do these cards represent edge runners???? Thank you and keep up the lore!!
No they don't. They've been in the game since before edgerunners was even in development
The arcana really is the means in which all is revealed.
Can you talking about GCPD police
to stretch it into outer orbit. the triangle (fire) could also represent the greek Delta. as V Deltas the fuck out of the game.
It’s a great vid disagree with a few interpretations but good nonetheless. Also arosaka a the nsua don’t actually save you if anything hanako lies to you an goro tells you you’ll still die. A reed lies to you just like he did to song an Alex a they damage you beyond repair. An the sun isn’t really what I’d call the good ending but nonetheless good vid.
I’m sorry I 100% disagree with your interpretation of reed, as if you pay attention reed does things for himself and for Myers every choice he makes is selfish
Lmao Magical Cards! Guys, they're really real!
The tarots are for different endings it’s all interpretation
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Interesting video, though I would have appreciated a spoiler warning.
You guys did all this to discuss the tarot cards but didn’t include location markers? No bueno! Someone definitely missed the mark on this one! I don’t even wanna watch now.
The markers are right on your in-game map, when you get the quest from Misty. And there are plenty of interactive maps on the internet if you look for a specific card's location, which are much more useful than a split second map screen flash in a video.
I thought Asians were supposed to be smart
To add to the other reply, you can literally filter your map to show only the graffiti locations, and set them as waypoint markers to be automatically guided to them. This video isn't even required to find them, and you picked a hell of a weird thing to nitpick.
I think the magician is more representative of Evelyn Parker. She was the one who instigated the heist to get the bio-chip. In turn she was the cause of the transformation of V in the first place. She also had many faces, Yorinobu’s girl, Voodoo boys tool, Judy’s friend, she is confident that she can trick everyone to make the impossible happen for her goals, getting the biochip and running away. You also meet her at Lizzie’s, and go back there to find her through Judy. The Lizzie idea is cool, but I think it’s a little out of place.