@@mfx1 Which will increase exponentially if every Tom, Dick and Harriet has one. Its bad enough with petrol drivers running on empty, which seems to be a trend nowadays. At least with petrol you can get them off hard shoulder after the breakdown truck arrives with a can of fuel. Electric will have to be towed to services and sit there charging for hours.
Gone are the days of trudging 5 miles to a garage with an empty jerrycan, only to find it's closed.😁😁. Now we have to carry a five mile extension lead. 😀.The biggest problem, as far as I can see, is finding a working charging point that hasn't got a queue of cars waiting to use it.
So why not re- invent a " Dynamo " like the one on my 1964 Land Rover. This KEEPS the battery charged as I am driving. So much for modern technology, !!
One thing that might be interesting to know is if taking it down to zero does any damage to the battery itself, or does anything to degrade the maximum charge it can take. Different battery technologies might react differently to being completely drained.
I flatened my E bike battery and basically reduced its capacity I had to buy another battery. I don't know why that is the case, but I have read since flattening batteries wrecks them.
Saw an EV stopped on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere in Western Colorado. No cell service, probably 15 degrees Fahrenheit outside, starting to get dark. About two miles down the road saw a dude walking. What a remote place to be, fortunately, I looked at my dash and saw I had over half of a tank of gasoline left!
Nothing wrong with that - using fossil fuels to occasionally fuel an EV just isn't the end of the world - would like to see the rescue van be electric though. Coal power station fuelled EV's still emit less CO2 per 100km than gasoline cars.
That's why I have a 15kva diesel generator in the back of my EV and 20 gallons of diesel....I also have a gas heater and a small wood burner stove and a nuclear reactor I made myself but it only give out 5kva so not big enough to charge the car ,but it does have a nice blue glow .
There's a nuclear reactor in San Onofre California, a town along the coast near San Clemente. There's 50,000 people living there. And what a coincidence, they all have curly hair.
Stumbled on this as I've been re-visiting my childhood. Just saying you and the rest of the cast of Robot Wars made my childhood! Thank you so much. I didn't have the best childhood and thankfully those people who made it rough aren't really part of my life anymore. What got me through was TV and Robot Wars was a big part. Never forget the positive impact you and the cast had with millions of people's childhood!
Very interesting & helpful video. But my biggest fear, if I was ever to get an EV, was how much the government will be charging you when they reintroduce a road fund license & are not getting the revenue from the petrol & diesel vehicles. Far more worrying than what will happen if I ever run out of battery.
hi, Anthony, as a Model 3 owner for the last several years let me put your mind to rest. My Model 3 costs me roughly 1/4 of what I was paying before...just for electricity or gas mind you. I’m not counting the savings on oil changes, brakes etc. Now without even looking it up, I am quite confident that the road tax is a much smaller number than 75% of the price of gas. So there is really no way you don’t make out like a bandit buying a Tesla. And btw, that Tesla Model 3 (for example) is lasting more than 500,000 miles in fleet service (including original battery). Not having to buy a new car at 250,000 miles is way, way, way cheaper than any road tax. And if you buy a Tesla with their Supercharger network, it’s virtually impossible to run out juice (to get back to the main point). Don’t you wish you bought one when they were $12,000 cheaper like I did? Maybe 2023 is your year.
@@johncahill3644 Thanks for that information John. It looks like you have got the figures well worked out. However, in my case as with many others who are retired in the UK, there will never be a time when I can afford an EV, especially one as good as the Tesla. My budget nowadays is £5000 (maybe $6000) & I wouldn’t dare buy a second hand EV for that kind of money. My thoughts are, for those people who can afford one now, they will fall into the trap we were tempted with a few years ago when our government persuaded us to go diesel which was far cheaper than petrol. Then when so many of us had fallen into their trap, diesel became the evil witch & the price went far higher than petrol. I fear the same will happen with the EVs but fortunately I will not be around by that time.
@@anthonypaynter828: I have a Tesla and I agree with the facts laid out in John’s post. EVs are super inexpensive to operate, and the maintenance is much less than for conventional cars. But - I don’t think that they are for everyone. For example, we charge our car inside our garage. But, if you don’t have a place to charge, then an EV is significantly less attractive. In your case, with your $6,000 budget, you’re probably better off purchasing a used gasoline powered car. As for the road taxes, our state charges me about $200 extra per year to register our EV (above what they charge conventionally powered cars). It’s still a good deal financially.
I live in a high rise. Will the owner put in 400 charging stations. Not a chance. I would have to go to a charger and pay premium rate. Probably means leaving for work a half hour earlier every morning. The extra charging time per year does have a cost, maybe not in monetary terms, but I do value my time. That also assumes that the charging station is working or someone hasn't plugged in and gone shopping. EV's aren't evil but they aren't the solution for everyone
The long-term aim is to make driving more expensive! Just like the good old days: the poor will have to walk or use public transport. That keeps them at home and out of the way more often!
Thanks for making this video. It's helpful to know what to expect. The reason most EVs go beyond 0 miles is the same as "miles to empty" in a petrol vehicle... some people will keep going to 0 miles rather than being conservative.
Great, informative video. I'm sure it'll be a weight off the minds of new EV drivers to learn what happens. Watching Phillippa made me nostalgic for Tomorrow's World... and when she presented kids TV in The Broom Cupboard 😊
This is reminding me of Snomaggedon here in Virginia years ago, after 12 hours stuck on the Dulles toll road, I found out the next day it was caused by Prius’s littered everywhere because the drivers ran out of electricity and hadn’t bothered to gas up that morning. The other thing I just realized is that my insurance is starting to soar because of the “electric car recovery” policies. What a scam 🙄🙄🙄
@@mikebreen2890 true story because I sat on the Dulles toll road for 12 hours creeping slow by and around Prius’s…literally in the road, in meridian and on the side, if it was them it was trucks that jackknifed on the ramps.
@@coolvideos8864 lol, what ev only has a 100 mile range. That's straight up in the hybrid territory. Maybe a teeny tiny Electromecannica Solo for in-city transit...
Let’s not forget the life of the batteries, getting worse storage capacity the more you charge it. EVs are a scam for muppets that think they’re going to change the world. They may want to look into how many miles they have to do before there “helping” the Planet
On the majority of EVs, the electronics outside of the motor are driven by a separate battery. Thus the hazard lights and other features still work when the battery is dead.
I think one of the most worrying things is , when you get to a charger on a wet dark night and you find it's not working . Usually when you've searched for a point on your app and now your wondering where to get to !!
When we had a Leaf, exactly that happened in a somewhat comedy way. Back then, charging was free and the car was at home with 20 miles left so I drive to the nearest 50kWh charger on a dual carriageway. It was out of order so I had to continue to the next junction and come back to the services on the other side. That one was "working" but the unit has no data connection so wouldn't validate the NFC card. So I had to go back home and a couple of miles from home was left with "- - -". At that point we decided to give up on public charging and continue to use the vehicle for our known journeys and around town.
@@djtaylorutube This is what I don't understand about the ev infrastructure. Can't you just pay with a credit/debit card? Imagine only being able to use Shell petrol because BP and the others use a different system. It doesn't make sense to me. I do actually like the old Nissan Leaf, I first saw them in Norway many years ago.
@@fredscratchet1355 Some you can pay with bank card, others need an app. I guess it's slowly getting better but this is one of the main reasons we chose Tesla this time round. The simplicity of the Supercharger network. As a single ecosystem it's in their interest to make sure it works and using it is just a case of plug in. Payment is already registered for the car, nothing else to do as it communicates automatically. As to only being able to just one type of fuel company, I've kind of had that before with one vehicle that uses LPG which isn't widespread, so you need to know where it is. Previously I've had a card issued by an employer which was only accepted at certain places. Without a doubt though, the public networks remain fragmented, nobody wants to manage 20+ payment mechanisms or the overlap of methods.
@@djtaylorutube It would always have to be a card payment for myself an app is useless without a smartphone and laptop generally stays at home unless going away for a few days. One way around it would be to enter one's electricity account number and name of account holder or similar and Reg No. so it is charged to one's bill, the account holder would then know who's vehicle it was, if more than one. Chargepoint owners/suppliers take note.
Really useful to see what actually happens, and the recovery situation. It would be useful to say if this is included in RAC membership for an EV or how much RR "charge" for it.
I do believe it is included in a RAC membership, but worth checking. We didn't include the costs, as they can change, but check out their website if you're interested. recharge-me.co.uk I'll also add their website link in the description to make it easy for anyone to find them. Thanks for watching.
RAC must be a UK thing. So, what do you do if you are in a spot that has no cell phone reception ? Likely means a long walk as well as a long wait for either a tow or a recharge service.
It's included in both my breakdown services (one from the car manufacturer, one I pay for separately because they are generally better rated. No, I have never needed them.
what if you have an emergency all of a sudden????? let's say you find a charge station that works..... how long will it take you to wait until it's charged?? 1 hour? 2? 3?.... so you are fukd! but hey carry a gas generator in your trunk.... still you will have to wait until it's charged..... hours, vs fuel regular gasoline car... a few minutes.... So it's a matter of being practical and common sense, right now this energy source is NOT sustainable, we can't rely on it for a X period of years. Anyone else thinking that this will be soon 100% implemented it's smoking weed!
Wait until the time comes when you have to replace your EV battery. Know someone who bought their daughter a used EV for $14k, after 60 days the battery needed to be replaced for the cost of $12K. Dealer offered to buy the car back at $500.
No matter how lovely Pip is, and how well she presents (she's been my favourite for years) , I can't help gind it ironic that all these folks trying to guiltvtrip us dinosaur burners, rely on the same tech when they're in a fix! Ms Forester ris still lovely however...!
This rescue service could be all electric too, you could also tow an empty EV from an EV with juice and it would charge up the battery of the towed car fairly quickly. Once you have enough tow-charged range to make a DC fast charger, you can then add 100 miles in 6 minutes and get home for a full overnight charge. I've had an EV for years, driven all over the place, never ran out once - you have so much range and route prediction in the cars nav, you really have to go extra laps around a circuit to completely empty it.
@@brushlessmotoring I am the opposite to you as I am a technophobe.I stopped worrying about it, when aged 12 at Grammar School,I, impressively, achieved 0% at both Woodwork and Technical Drawing. A feat,O may add,I have never even come close to emulating so, please, bear with but I love driving and my 500,000 London miles are testimony to my safety record but if you want to travel 200 miles then what is an idiot's guide, please? I assume we start with the maximum overnight home charge( 100 miles) and then what happens and how easy and how long does it take to charge another 100 miles,if you're having to charge it all night for the initial 100 miles, please?
Ok, so what happens when this man in a van has charged your battery enough to get to the nearest charge point, but when you get there it doesn't work for some reason?!
What happens if a tow truck brings enough gasoline to get you to the nearest gas station and they are closed for some reason? Any scenario you can come up with could happen with gas too. There may be slightly higher risk with an EV right now, because there are fewer charging stations than gas stations, but eventually that won't be the case.
@@alansach8437 that's ridiculous and you know it is. The chances of a petrol station being closed is miniscule compared to the same thing happening with an EV charger! The risk isn't 'slightly higher' either, it's significantly higher, and hoping there will be as many charging points in the future as there are petrol stations now is either just wishful thinking or delusional.
In 20 years of driving I've literally never run out of fuel, I don't see why EV are any different. If you get to about 30 or 40 miles of range left in a car, you need to think about where to fuel up if you're gonna be driving further than that. For long trips you'd plan ahead for normal breaks in the driving being lined up with somewhere to charge, that's it. Basic common sense and a little forward planning you'll never have problems.
This video's mindset takes me back decades to when I was 17 years old when I passed my driving test and bought my first car. At that time the thought about what would happen if I should run out of petrol, or whether the engine would start in the cold mornings, or whether I would have to push-and-jump-start the car loomed heavily. That was REAL anxiety back then! 😂But that's just because it was due to inexperience, innocence and the lack of good quality (affordable) used cars. No one with an ICE car today will run it out of petrol or put themselves in "desperate" situations, so the fact that there are many RUclips videos about running EVs down to 0% SOC just shows how "innocent" we are at this stage of the transition to EVs. Generally, anyone getting an EV today will be fine (there's no anxiety). In a decade (or less), we will look back and consider these "range anxiety" videos to be charmingly innocent.
Correct - but - you'd be amazed how often this comes up in EV discussions, good to see a demonstration video of the non-issue, you get tons of info and warnings.
In my experience the range prediction is far better in an EV. Back when I drove a diesel VW Golf the low-fuel light came on at about 40 miles, and then after 5 miles dropped to 20 miles, and again such that it actually had less than 20 miles when light came on. Whereas in EV I have found the range-to-empty prediction very accurate. Sure, if I drive like a loon then that will fall dramatically ... but the prediction will still be accurate and not suddenly drop like a stone as I approach "empty". Likely if you are running it tight you will slow down ... a lot! ... and that will significantly increase range in an EV. Coupled with SatNav, and many EVs having a 20-ish mile post-0% buffer, its pretty hard to run out ... torrential summer rain, increasing fuel consumption, is the only journey I have had where actual consumption was a problem - would have been same for Petrol. The other risk is arriving at a charger to find them all broken
I drive a Toyota Corolla 2.0L GR Sport Hybrid. 500 mile range if you drive sensibly, goes onto pure battery mode as you cruise through built-up areas so zero emissions in villages towns and cities, just short of 200 bhp so plenty of power when you need it. No need to plug in to charge the battery, as it charges itself using regenerative braking or using the engine if needed. This is the technology that should have been implemented during the phase we are in, while new technology is developed and/or infrastructure is put in place for the next phase.
Very useful information, will definitely save some of the anxiety from not knowing, would have been nice if you had done more of a summary of distance travelled for all the cars, not just the first, now when are you going to test all other EVs?
I didn't have to go thru many comments to see someone else thinking along my line. A chart of how many miles each vehicle ran after the 0% or 0 miles remaining announcement would have been nice. Just as a data point for comparison. The real thrust of the piece was the experience of running down to zero and how it comes to a stop. Very well done.
Lovely video Philippa! I won't lie - when I saw the name PF something stirred in me! Memories of an intelligent, bubbly, woman journalist came flooding back. Was not disappointed! One question though - were any of the batteries damaged by this degree of discharge? Did they all recharge easily? E.G I thought Tesla batteries and BMS had big problems if they are run flat.
You definitely want to charge it as soon as possible, and not leave it flat for days and weeks, but, as long as you get some juice back in within half a day or so, it's fine. The systems keep drawing power otherwise.
Very useful information. Nice to know there is a margin of error in the SOC battery indicator. As other EV owners have said, why would you not look for a charge point when you’re below 15% or so. Thank you for doing such friendly videos.
Cracking video Philippa, just what we all need to know for the (hopefully long-distance future). Thank you. Loved your stuff ever since Tomorrow's World, and now you are part of it - TW that is. You look great too.
Valuable advice! I guess the takeaway is.. believe the car when it says "empty". This will allow you maneuver to a safe place to wait for help while you still valuable time to make decisions and, most importantly, while you still have control of the vehicle.
Thing is there are gas stations everywhere what you going to do knock on Farmer Brown's door and ask if you can plug in your goddamn stupid electric car you going to get shot b****
Not if you are queuing on a motorway and you can't get to the outside lane that would be a problem . The times when I've driven out of London on the M1 up north could be tricky .
Nice detailed video but they left out for me a major question. How much do they charge to come out and rescue you. Or maybe that doesn't matter because if you can afford a ev money is not a problem.
If the makers of EV's had thought about the problem of people running out of charge a bit deeper, they could have made it possible for the vehicle to be charged and towed at the same time, and the addition of an extra charging socket at the front of the vehicle could be used to speed up the charging process further by utilising the generator on the recovery vehicle if it had one, this would benefit the customer by being able to proceed with the journey while the vehicle gets a decent amount of charge.
You can in fact tow and charge an EV using its regenerative braking - puts a big strain on the towing vehicle though. You could also charge while on a flatbed. But far more likely than all this, is you get a flatbed come get you and bring you the 5 miles to the fast charger you fell short of and charge there. 4 years and 50,000 miles and I've never run out, or even come close after seeing these tests.
As soon as a presenter says something daft I cringe. The car still had systems working when the high voltage battery was flat is because they were running off the 12v battery. Even if she was ignorant of this there is a producer, an editor and an entire crew to correct her. But they don’t know what they are talking about either. Experts are more credible.
That was a very interesting test, thank you. As far as I am concerned that is another reason not to buy (if I could afford one) an all electric vehicle. I have driven some Hybrids and that is the nearest I would go to owning an EV. But even the Hybrids feel so heavy, they are like driving a block on concrete. An excellent video, thanks very much for taking so much trouble.
This is not a reason to avoid an EV, quite the opposite, it proves they don't suddenly run out, cost is coming down all the time - the MG4 is a great value car. See if you can rent an EV for a road trip, you will learn a lot and get over your fear of the unknown - you need to experience it first hand I found for all the disinformation and anxiety to float away. I rented 3 times before buying, by my 3rd rental I knew what I was doing. I do recommend at least one Tesla rental even if you never intend to get one, as it shows what a good charging experience looks like.
i think that's the first video i have seen that shows what happens when EV's " Break done " .. all the other have been glossy and wonderful ... that was awesome.... I love turtle mode ! I have shared the video , as i was asked this very qestion a few weeks ago .
Bjørn Nyland has a RUclips channel about EVs, including tests of vehicles until they run out (he carries a portable battery with him to then recharge them enough to get to a charger). Most EVs seem to do a significant distance after 0% www.youtube.com/@bjornnyland
I’m always surprised at how electric vehicles seem awash with massive digital screens and instruments, which presumably consume a lot of power? One might imagine they’d prefer passive, analogue tools that use less power?
you presumption on consumption is wrong. a ev battery has enough power to supply a house for days the only things in an ev that consumes a measurable amount of power is the drive and aircon/heater ...
How many minutes of REAL in your face warning did each give? And how many miles/kilometers or feet/inches did each give to allow you to safely remove yourself from a motorway? Sometimes the next exit might be miles away, which is seconds at 70 mph, but might be minutes at 25 or 30 mph. Great test!
This is very interesting. I live in Central Ontario, Canada. Winter temperatures can easily reach -20°C and -40 is not unheard of. I am in a small city about 60 miles north of Toronto. All it would take is a serious collision in winter with Highway 400 (6 lane dual carriage motorway) to close the road for hours, and the batteries could well be in trouble. What happens when you run out of power? Not like you have a Jerry can of extra electrons. I can see it now. Highway opens, traffic begins to move, and the EVs are all needing recovery because sitting dead in the middle of a major motorway is not conducive to waiting hours for a booster vehicle.
@@solentbumthat is simply not true. Ask Tesco who are running 5500 electric delivery vans , which manage 80 miles in mild weather or 60 miles if you use the heater and or lights . Driver told me himself, they’re trying to get out of the lease agreement as it costing them a lot of money in delivery failures and wasted goods .
You Review the cars and still don't know that flashes Ac and som other parts of EV works on separate Battery, it's amazing how much self confidence you have!!!
I like the rescue re-charge business model, think they are going to do well. I just wonder what happens in cold snap. Stuck on a snowed up blocked motorway with hardly any battery left......
And for that very reason,the lead acid batteries,some have more than one,Are allways kept a a full charge,hence the ability to use lights and the Hazard warnings.
Here's one thing that would bother me continually with an EV; knowing that keeping the battery between 45 and 85% of its capacity has a huge effect on the longevity of the battery. I would be worrying too much about the damage I am doing to it when running it down so low. I certainly like the fact that with a gasoline car, running at 2% or 100% of tank capacity is of almost no concern as far as damage is concerned. I do know that the fuel is used to cool the fuel pump motor, so running with the tank nearly empty on a continual basis is not great.
Depends on the battery chemistry, There are the vehicle cells NMC litium, there are Li-ions mostly in cellphones, Lifepo4 or Lfp for home energy storage or as vehicle cells in some teslas, Lto thats a cell with a voltage curve pretty close to Lead acid batterys but they dont burn and can take an enormous temperature from - 60 up to 80+. Well if you know what you can do with your cells its not that bad, but leaving your ev fully charged a long time would resolve itself, because the traction battery charges the 12v battery several times every day 🤓
Typically, you charge at home to a limit you set once and forget (e.g. 80%) and your daily miles don't get anywhere near 20%, so, for daily driving and home charging, you no longer thing about fuelling - at all. Road trips, you never hold the battery at those extremes for very long, and you still stay under 80% anyway, because it's so slow to charge above that. I really reccomend renting an EV for a weekend trip.
@@brushlessmotoring this all may be true, but it still isn't selling itself to people who are used to not having all the limitations of trying to keep their petrol tank between 20 and 80 % full or having to trickle fuel it every night. It always amazes me how EV fans can self justify all of the limitations that they inflict on themselves. It would be fine and just an oddity if it wasn't being inflicted on everyone else who don't want those restrictions and regard it as going backwards or de evolving.
EV's have a high voltage battery for driving and a 12volt battery for cars electric systems like locks, window motors, infotainment etc. So yes, everything should still work.
Well on a plug in hybrid Hyundai when you want defrost the window and turn the heater on while the electric is on the engine starts cause there is no heater on the running on battery's so for me just to drive 10min. to get some groceries I still have to run the engine, in the cooler weather. What else doesn't work I don't know but I won't be getting a plug in hybrid. @@AB-wq2vy
I am a member of the Scottish EV group on Facebook. Never heard of anyone running out of power. I do hear of people in long journeys having problems getting charges in remote locations. Just for info, petrol automatics can't be towed either unless they have the gearbox disengaged so any tow truck should be fine with an EV.
True for fluid flywheel autos, which don't like the input turbine being driven back through the system by the wheels. Should be OK on a CVT or DSG mechanical auto, with a real neutral, like a manual box. I think a non mechanical 4wd car might need a full flat bed recovery, rather than a suspended tow. What was said quickly was that the rescue van uses a generator to make electricity. Oh the shame of it. Note also that EVs do go on a flat bed truck.
@@royboy1901 There is a big difference between pulling a vehicle for a few tens of meters at low speeds to get it out of a tight spot or load it on the back of another vehicle, and pulling it for miles at 30 or so mph. When people say vehicles can't be flat towed they are referring to the latter.
In over 10 years of EV ownership I have never 'run out ', been close a couple of times but never actually run out. Depending on your EV depends on what recovery you have, with the Leaf you can ask the RAC to recover you to a charge point or home. It does actually show on the power meter less segments to indicate reducing power availability. The only time I have ever been recovered is due to a tyre blow out and that can happen on any car!
Like you my 8 year old Leaf has never run out. I bottled it once at 5% and begged a 13A socket off a friend but realise looking at this video that I could have continued for another 2 miles to get home.
I have run out of Diesel & petrol on more occasions than I care to remember, worse still I have put the wrong fuel in once or twice & that can be very expensive to remove.
@@wilkoone9155 Sounds like a bike would also work for you. If you don't have range anxiety with a EV you could be riding a bicycle instead. There is not a EV made that can last from charging point to charging point here. Its 245 miles of 85 mph and mountain roads. No EV today can do that. I hate when city people have their heads in the sand.
To be fair I never let my car get before 15% (the lowest I let it get so far) and even at that I could get another 20 miles out of it. Also I been lucky my local charging network has been reliable so far 🤞🏿
I have been questioning this for years and years. That was very informative. I would have liked more info on how far you can actually travel once the warnings start to appear. That would be useful as you can alter your route to (hopefully) get to the nearest charging point. The only big gap I see is that should you be stuck on the motorway or road and stuck in a large traffic stop, say because of an accident, what can you do then ?
Interesting that the emergency recharging service only gives you enough of a charge to get you to the nearest recharging station. But no mention of how long it takes for the emergency recharging and no mention of how long it will take at the nearest recharging station. But that has always been the the question. How long does it take to recharge an EV if you are not at home and there is nothing that I can find as to how much recharging you EV at home is like leaving you oven and electric burners on all night comparted to filling up your tank with gas in 5 minutes. And where does the electricity come from to charge an electric car? It comes from coal powered plants and other fossil fuels. Climate activist will tell you that wind and solar are the answer but there is no evidence that wind and solar can provide anything close to the amount of energy needed to power homes and businesses much less hundreds of millions of electric cars. And then there is the hysteria of saving the planet. The truth is that the mining, processing, and construction of EV batteries is far more harmful than fossil fuel extraction. And the amount of energy and environmental protection for recycling EV batteries requires more energy than recycling gas powered cars. Here is another real problem with Electric Vehicles. Not only is the electric grid insufficient to service hundreds of millions of EV's, EV's are only affordable with government subsidies which means for everyone who buys an EV someone else is paying for it. Henry Ford did not get government subsidies to build cars. Oil Companies did not get government subsidies to build gas stations. It all happened because cars and gas were profitable and affordable. Now the government wants you to buy EV's and because they are not profitable on their own, the government offers government subsidies throughout the supply chain and then tax credits if you buy a government subsidized EV. But even worse, local, state, and Federal governments are using tax payer money to establish charging stations. Think about that. Gas stations evolved without government because there was a profitable need. But EV's are evolving because people won't buy them unless the government gives the a tax credit and the government establishes charging stations so power companies can get rich without having to spend money to put in power stations that are not used. Oh and guess what? Charging stations or at home are not free. So where does that money go to? Power stations because Solar and Wind is impossible to sustain the increased load. And the fewer coal, gas, and oil power plants there are the less electric power there is. The Democrat policies make electric power more expensive for everyone way beyond fossil fuels, but with no solutions as to how to lower the costs. Liberals are OK with this, but I'll give you a real example in my family. My sister is a rabid far leftist progressive liberal. I mean she hates anything that is conservative and loves anything that will save the planet. So, her car quits and she buys a gas powered car. I asked her why with all of your save the planet hysteria you would by a gas powered car? She said because its cheaper. Ladies and Gentlemen, that sums up the Climate Change agenda. They want you to buy expensive and unstainable EV's while they buy normal cars because they are more economical. I can see leftists screaming that EV's eliminating cows, eliminating fossil fuels, and by definition eliminating electricity is going to save the planet. What they won't tell you is that fossil fuels and technologies have enhanced the benefit and health of everyone in the world. Fossil fuels have improved the quality of life of everyone in the world, obviously some more than others, but Elon Mush's Starlink has now provided the internet to hundreds of millions, but Starlink wouldn't be available without fossil fuels to power Starlink. That is why Musk says that fossil fuels are critical until we have the technology to power 400 million people in the US with something else--or words to that affect.
Stay in the fossil fuel age if you wish, many of us are moving to renewable energy and EV’s. EV’s are evolving quickly, look how far they have come in a decade!
Could have also been rescued with an electric Ford Transit with the 240V 30A inverter package, or could be tow-charged by another EV. In 40,000 miles, I've never needed this type of service, it's a rare exception.
Very interesting. What age are the vehicles? What distance have they travelled? Would a ten year old 150, 000 mile car be possible and if so what results be obtained?
Good points raised, well presented, and done in a safe environment, Running out of power on an ev will put you and other motorists at risk , and for much longer than conventional or hybrid, The breakdown company staff have to take risks to rescue people, Which on many occasions is caused by not managing charging responsibly, to save money or time, or driving with a charging fault to the point of stopping instead of driving to the garage for repair,
My Volvo C40 has a built in reserve of 9kWh. If I run out, I use the Volvo support button and they remotely free up that reserve power so you can get to a safe spot or charger. Haven’t the other brands got such a reserve ?
Once you drop below ten miles range, find a SAFE place to park. DO NOT use hazard warning lights as these will flatten the 12volt service battery, meaning the controls will not work. Either call out a recharge business or a conventional car recovery operator to load you and transport you to the nearest charging point. Flattening your 12 volt service battery so the controls don't work will create a big problem for both recharge and recovery options. Recharge is the better option but DO NOT FLATTEN your 12 volt service battery
I have only run out of fuel once in an ICE. That was a 2001 model and the engine just stopped running and I coasted to a stop. EVs seem to have a more controlled turn off.
the power jacks at work have this feature. it shuts off the pump to lift. but has a "reserve" to power the motor so you can move it to a plug to spend 4-5 hrs recharging. a gas or diesel. will just stop. but can be refueled in 3 minuets.
Would like to know what damage is happening to that flat battery.does the battery lose some recharge time everytime it's charged ie starts to die a little everytime you do run low and does not hold it's charge to full capacity again.I have metion this before is why can't the maufacture make tray battery packs like you can have for some camera flashes which use say 4 batteries but are replaceable quickly.Then have them standardised throughout the vehicles then have garages that hold large quantities of them fully charged.you drive in get your batteries changed for whatever mileage you want then pay for them,It's a bit like filling your car up at a petrol station but it will be batteries that are already topped up for a quick change.It's like 8 x AAA battery packs.my idea stops this long charging times at the powerpoints.
Hello Philippa, Not seen you in any content for decades. Just for giggles, I was born in 1965, and in my teenage years my favourite show was tomorrows world, where along came this vibrant young presenter who, dare I say it, I had a teenage crush on. I seem to remember an episode where you appeared pregnant, that dashed my teenage dreams, lol. anyway, so happy to see you looking well and producing content again; on any platform. I don't have the crush anymore, but, you are still beautiful and of course I subscribed.
There is always somebody who push s the boundry s to get more distance plus more so when they forget to charge it , Big question not answered do the hazard lights still work or even any lights ? Interesting test .
The solution is simple, fit Bev's with smaller batteries and a range extender (like BMW i3 had). Most regular journeys done EV only, but a backup for longer journeys and charging issues. That's what I would like to have.
They normally send a diesel truck out to rescue you.....
So what one diesel vehicle to recover how many EV's?
@@mfx1 Which will increase exponentially if every Tom, Dick and Harriet has one. Its bad enough with petrol drivers running on empty, which seems to be a trend nowadays. At least with petrol you can get them off hard shoulder after the breakdown truck arrives with a can of fuel. Electric will have to be towed to services and sit there charging for hours.
Kinda just like when a gas car runs out… they send out more energy (gas or a charger) or tow it off the road.
Is this service public funded
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I have never run out of miles, zero range anxiety or waiting for a free charger anywhere.. but I drive a reliable and eco diesel!
Doh!
6555 ha good one
@daver6555 AMEN BROTHER!!!! me as well.
Well done you. I have also never run out of petrol in 45 years of driving but nor have I ever run out of charge in my EV.
I haven't run out since 1972. Gas was still cheap but I was young and living on the edge. hehehehehehehehehe
Gone are the days of trudging 5 miles to a garage with an empty jerrycan, only to find it's closed.😁😁.
Now we have to carry a five mile extension lead. 😀.The biggest problem, as far as I can see, is finding a working charging point that hasn't got a queue of cars waiting to use it.
And an electrical grid that isn't collapsed.
Very good- 5 mile extension cord
Delicious!
I carry 5 gallons of gas in my truck. But mostly use it to help others that aren't paying attention to their gas.
So why not re- invent a " Dynamo " like the one on my 1964 Land Rover. This KEEPS the battery charged as I am driving. So much for modern technology, !!
Oh yeah knock on the door excuse me my electric car ran out of charge can I plug in
One thing that might be interesting to know is if taking it down to zero does any damage to the battery itself, or does anything to degrade the maximum charge it can take. Different battery technologies might react differently to being completely drained.
No damage this is a built in safety program that protects the batteries from total failure.
It shouldn’t do. It may cause problems if the batteries are left in a discharged state.
@@allenelswick6961 yep its indicated zero wont be true zero charge , there'll be a safety buffer zone,
I flatened my E bike battery and basically reduced its capacity I had to buy another battery. I don't know why that is the case, but I have read since flattening batteries wrecks them.
@@grahamthomas4804 the device using them 'ought' to have the function to prevent too deep discharging..
Saw an EV stopped on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere in Western Colorado. No cell service, probably 15 degrees Fahrenheit outside, starting to get dark. About two miles down the road saw a dude walking. What a remote place to be, fortunately, I looked at my dash and saw I had over half of a tank of gasoline left!
Did you smirk and wave as you went by?
lol.
@@ramblerdave1339 I would have blown the horn flipped them off and yelled get a real car loser
I hope you picked them up ! .
So you never gave them a ride 😮 ya tight git 😅
So, they use a GAS-powered generator to recharge your EV. Brilliant!
In an emergency, not exactly part of a planned charging regime.
Nothing wrong with that - using fossil fuels to occasionally fuel an EV just isn't the end of the world - would like to see the rescue van be electric though. Coal power station fuelled EV's still emit less CO2 per 100km than gasoline cars.
Where do you think that much of your electricity comes from anyway? Probably mostly gas powered generators!
@@martinwilliams5154
Where I live mostly hydro and nuclear and only during peak demand times natural gas enters the mix.
@@brushlessmotoring it’s hypocritical
Yeah, everything I see just makes me want to rush out and buy one of these electric Turkeys!
I think that you’re talking about Irish turkeys!
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I think you meant Turds but I am guessing autocorrect got in on the act. 🙂
They are a con in cost...
just watch a few video clips of the car freighter "fremantle" off the duth coast...all you ever need to know about EV's.....
That's why I have a 15kva diesel generator in the back of my EV and 20 gallons of diesel....I also have a gas heater and a small wood burner stove and a nuclear reactor I made myself but it only give out 5kva so not big enough to charge the car ,but it does have a nice blue glow .
😂😂😂
Me too 😜
No one can say you aren't prepared. Lol
There's a nuclear reactor in San Onofre California, a town along the coast near San Clemente. There's 50,000 people living there. And what a coincidence, they all have curly hair.
Why don’t you learn maths instead ?
I am a bit worried about having a Turtle mode as Turtles swim. On the other hand, Tortoises are slow moving, land based animals.
Not in the USA. Their terminology is different.
Stumbled on this as I've been re-visiting my childhood. Just saying you and the rest of the cast of Robot Wars made my childhood! Thank you so much. I didn't have the best childhood and thankfully those people who made it rough aren't really part of my life anymore. What got me through was TV and Robot Wars was a big part. Never forget the positive impact you and the cast had with millions of people's childhood!
Very interesting & helpful video. But my biggest fear, if I was ever to get an EV, was how much the government will be charging you when they reintroduce a road fund license & are not getting the revenue from the petrol & diesel vehicles. Far more worrying than what will happen if I ever run out of battery.
hi, Anthony, as a Model 3 owner for the last several years let me put your mind to rest. My Model 3 costs me roughly 1/4 of what I was paying before...just for electricity or gas mind you. I’m not counting the savings on oil changes, brakes etc. Now without even looking it up, I am quite confident that the road tax is a much smaller number than 75% of the price of gas. So there is really no way you don’t make out like a bandit buying a Tesla. And btw, that Tesla Model 3 (for example) is lasting more than 500,000 miles in fleet service (including original battery). Not having to buy a new car at 250,000 miles is way, way, way cheaper than any road tax. And if you buy a Tesla with their Supercharger network, it’s virtually impossible to run out juice (to get back to the main point). Don’t you wish you bought one when they were $12,000 cheaper like I did? Maybe 2023 is your year.
@@johncahill3644 Thanks for that information John. It looks like you have got the figures well worked out. However, in my case as with many others who are retired in the UK, there will never be a time when I can afford an EV, especially one as good as the Tesla. My budget nowadays is £5000 (maybe $6000) & I wouldn’t dare buy a second hand EV for that kind of money. My thoughts are, for those people who can afford one now, they will fall into the trap we were tempted with a few years ago when our government persuaded us to go diesel which was far cheaper than petrol. Then when so many of us had fallen into their trap, diesel became the evil witch & the price went far higher than petrol. I fear the same will happen with the EVs but fortunately I will not be around by that time.
@@anthonypaynter828: I have a Tesla and I agree with the facts laid out in John’s post. EVs are super inexpensive to operate, and the maintenance is much less than for conventional cars. But - I don’t think that they are for everyone. For example, we charge our car inside our garage. But, if you don’t have a place to charge, then an EV is significantly less attractive. In your case, with your $6,000 budget, you’re probably better off purchasing a used gasoline powered car. As for the road taxes, our state charges me about $200 extra per year to register our EV (above what they charge conventionally powered cars). It’s still a good deal financially.
I live in a high rise. Will the owner put in 400 charging stations. Not a chance. I would have to go to a charger and pay premium rate. Probably means leaving for work a half hour earlier every morning. The extra charging time per year does have a cost, maybe not in monetary terms, but I do value my time. That also assumes that the charging station is working or someone hasn't plugged in and gone shopping. EV's aren't evil but they aren't the solution for everyone
The long-term aim is to make driving more expensive! Just like the good old days: the poor will have to walk or use public transport.
That keeps them at home and out of the way more often!
I love how the rescue vehicle and generator are petrol.
I love how the gas pumps are electric.
How are you going to get a recharge when there is no fuel for the generator in the rescue vehicle?
solar panels...those kind that fold up into a briefcase size. Just put it in the boot and keep it for emergencies.
"Silence, ingrate, can't you see we're saving mankind!" Said 'they' as they climb aboard their private jets.
@@peghead "You will own nothing...and be happy".
@@richardhemingway6084 happiness is overrated. Now, eat your bugs.
Excellent tests. No one has ever mentioned what would happen. Thanks or doing this.
No one needed to mention what would happen! It’s clearly obvious
Thanks for making this video. It's helpful to know what to expect. The reason most EVs go beyond 0 miles is the same as "miles to empty" in a petrol vehicle... some people will keep going to 0 miles rather than being conservative.
That's why you carry a big old f****** diesel generator in your car to charge the son of a b****
Great, informative video. I'm sure it'll be a weight off the minds of new EV drivers to learn what happens. Watching Phillippa made me nostalgic for Tomorrow's World... and when she presented kids TV in The Broom Cupboard 😊
Flipper, the cat, can't remember his name, character called her
You must be old 🤣🤣🤣
@@BrendonHoppy ha ha, I'm getting on a bit, yeah 😊😂
"Great information???" Well what did you think would happen? Keep going on a flat battery !!
@@massatube ha ha, get a life 😂😂😂
This is reminding me of Snomaggedon here in Virginia years ago, after 12 hours stuck on the Dulles toll road, I found out the next day it was caused by Prius’s littered everywhere because the drivers ran out of electricity and hadn’t bothered to gas up that morning. The other thing I just realized is that my insurance is starting to soar because of the “electric car recovery” policies. What a scam 🙄🙄🙄
Jody. Don't confuse the GO-GREENIE nut jobs. They are feeling all warm and wet, thinking they are saving the world.
What utter rubbish!
Cool story biut it belongs in the fiction section, so right YT channel at least.
@@mikebreen2890 true story because I sat on the Dulles toll road for 12 hours creeping slow by and around Prius’s…literally in the road, in meridian and on the side, if it was them it was trucks that jackknifed on the ramps.
So EV's are a bad idea because Americans aren't intelligent enough to charge them before use?
What happens? Everyone with a sensible car laughs at you
Like I was laughing at everyone with a "sensible" car when the pumps ran dry a few months ago? People run out of fuel every single day.
@@cjmillsnun but you realise that’s not down to the car only having a 100 mile tank right???
@@coolvideos8864 lol, what ev only has a 100 mile range. That's straight up in the hybrid territory. Maybe a teeny tiny Electromecannica Solo for in-city transit...
Let’s not forget the life of the batteries, getting worse storage capacity the more you charge it. EVs are a scam for muppets that think they’re going to change the world. They may want to look into how many miles they have to do before there “helping” the Planet
What happens when a gas powered car runs out of gas? Same thing that happens when an electric car runs out of electricity.
These will be fun trying to charge on "Safe motorways" for the breakdown services.
On the majority of EVs, the electronics outside of the motor are driven by a separate battery. Thus the hazard lights and other features still work when the battery is dead.
I think one of the most worrying things is , when you get to a charger on a wet dark night and you find it's not working . Usually when you've searched for a point on your app and now your wondering where to get to !!
When we had a Leaf, exactly that happened in a somewhat comedy way. Back then, charging was free and the car was at home with 20 miles left so I drive to the nearest 50kWh charger on a dual carriageway. It was out of order so I had to continue to the next junction and come back to the services on the other side.
That one was "working" but the unit has no data connection so wouldn't validate the NFC card.
So I had to go back home and a couple of miles from home was left with "- - -".
At that point we decided to give up on public charging and continue to use the vehicle for our known journeys and around town.
@@djtaylorutube This is what I don't understand about the ev infrastructure. Can't you just pay with a credit/debit card? Imagine only being able to use Shell petrol because BP and the others use a different system. It doesn't make sense to me. I do actually like the old Nissan Leaf, I first saw them in Norway many years ago.
@@fredscratchet1355 Some you can pay with bank card, others need an app. I guess it's slowly getting better but this is one of the main reasons we chose Tesla this time round. The simplicity of the Supercharger network.
As a single ecosystem it's in their interest to make sure it works and using it is just a case of plug in. Payment is already registered for the car, nothing else to do as it communicates automatically.
As to only being able to just one type of fuel company, I've kind of had that before with one vehicle that uses LPG which isn't widespread, so you need to know where it is. Previously I've had a card issued by an employer which was only accepted at certain places.
Without a doubt though, the public networks remain fragmented, nobody wants to manage 20+ payment mechanisms or the overlap of methods.
@@djtaylorutube It would always have to be a card payment for myself an app is useless without a smartphone and laptop generally stays at home unless going away for a few days. One way around it would be to enter one's electricity account number and name of account holder or similar and Reg No. so it is charged to one's bill, the account holder would then know who's vehicle it was, if more than one. Chargepoint owners/suppliers take note.
Or YOU'RE wondering how to contract YOU ARE.
I notice the alerts about limiting power usage now includes “don’t charge your electric car”
Really useful to see what actually happens, and the recovery situation. It would be useful to say if this is included in RAC membership for an EV or how much RR "charge" for it.
I do believe it is included in a RAC membership, but worth checking. We didn't include the costs, as they can change, but check out their website if you're interested.
recharge-me.co.uk
I'll also add their website link in the description to make it easy for anyone to find them. Thanks for watching.
RAC will come and put a charge into your battery.
RAC must be a UK thing. So, what do you do if you are in a spot that has no cell phone reception ? Likely means a long walk as well as a long wait for either a tow or a recharge service.
You can do this.... or just tow it for a mile at 35mph and let it charge itself, then drive to a supercharger.
It's included in both my breakdown services (one from the car manufacturer, one I pay for separately because they are generally better rated.
No, I have never needed them.
Great video on what to do when you accidentally run out of power, they had no agenda, except to show what happens when you do
it is the equivalent of buying a shiny new suit, wearing it out in public, and then finally being told you are in fact naked!
And when you need a charge on a major holiday (Thanksgiving?) you discover the charger is backed up two or three deep so you have a 5 or 6 hour wait.
3 deep is just a hour wait.
The basic take away from this is that you have to try really hard to run out of charge. There’s plenty of warning on all of them.
There really is!
@matpat2636 very true however the lack of charge stations is a factor. And you can’t put electricity in a Jerry can. 😂🤡🌍
...and that it is rescued using fossil fuels. ..
There's no guarantee that the nearest charger will work.
what if you have an emergency all of a sudden????? let's say you find a charge station that works..... how long will it take you to wait until it's charged?? 1 hour? 2? 3?.... so you are fukd! but hey carry a gas generator in your trunk.... still you will have to wait until it's charged..... hours, vs fuel regular gasoline car... a few minutes.... So it's a matter of being practical and common sense, right now this energy source is NOT sustainable, we can't rely on it for a X period of years. Anyone else thinking that this will be soon 100% implemented it's smoking weed!
Wait until the time comes when you have to replace your EV battery. Know someone who bought their daughter a used EV for $14k, after 60 days the battery needed to be replaced for the cost of $12K. Dealer offered to buy the car back at $500.
My EV has 287k miles on the clock with original battery. You were taken for a ride!
Great reporting. As an EV driver, a big thank you for all the info.
If I ever see someone stranded on a desolate road and they are driving an EV Im gonna keep going!!! See ya.......
Great reporting and even greater to see Philippa on the screen again - what a simply lovely lady!
No matter how lovely Pip is, and how well she presents (she's been my favourite for years) , I can't help gind it ironic that all these folks trying to guiltvtrip us dinosaur burners, rely on the same tech when they're in a fix!
Ms Forester ris still lovely however...!
This rescue service could be all electric too, you could also tow an empty EV from an EV with juice and it would charge up the battery of the towed car fairly quickly.
Once you have enough tow-charged range to make a DC fast charger, you can then add 100 miles in 6 minutes and get home for a full overnight charge.
I've had an EV for years, driven all over the place, never ran out once - you have so much range and route prediction in the cars nav, you really have to go extra laps around a circuit to completely empty it.
So if there's a pip boy.. does this mean she's a pip girl 🤣
@@brushlessmotoring I am the opposite to you as I am a technophobe.I stopped worrying about it, when aged 12 at Grammar School,I, impressively, achieved 0% at both Woodwork and Technical Drawing. A feat,O may add,I have never even come close to emulating so, please, bear with but I love driving and my 500,000 London miles are testimony to my safety record but if you want to travel 200 miles then what is an idiot's guide, please? I assume we start with the maximum overnight home charge( 100 miles) and then what happens and how easy and how long does it take to charge another 100 miles,if you're having to charge it all night for the initial 100 miles, please?
She’s still got those cute eyes 😍
Pip is not lovely. She is wealthy and does not give a hoot if you can afford one. She’s paid to promote the govt agenda. She is not lovely
Ok, so what happens when this man in a van has charged your battery enough to get to the nearest charge point, but when you get there it doesn't work for some reason?!
EV go app tells you if the charger is working.
What happens if a tow truck brings enough gasoline to get you to the nearest gas station and they are closed for some reason? Any scenario you can come up with could happen with gas too. There may be slightly higher risk with an EV right now, because there are fewer charging stations than gas stations, but eventually that won't be the case.
@@alansach8437 that's ridiculous and you know it is. The chances of a petrol station being closed is miniscule compared to the same thing happening with an EV charger! The risk isn't 'slightly higher' either, it's significantly higher, and hoping there will be as many charging points in the future as there are petrol stations now is either just wishful thinking or delusional.
@@trance_trousers oh yeah go to the c-store and ask hey can I plug my car in going to tell you to go f*** off
When you get to a charging point go have your self a very long dinner time or rent a motel room for the 5 hour charge it will take.
In 20 years of driving I've literally never run out of fuel, I don't see why EV are any different. If you get to about 30 or 40 miles of range left in a car, you need to think about where to fuel up if you're gonna be driving further than that.
For long trips you'd plan ahead for normal breaks in the driving being lined up with somewhere to charge, that's it. Basic common sense and a little forward planning you'll never have problems.
This video's mindset takes me back decades to when I was 17 years old when I passed my driving test and bought my first car. At that time the thought about what would happen if I should run out of petrol, or whether the engine would start in the cold mornings, or whether I would have to push-and-jump-start the car loomed heavily. That was REAL anxiety back then! 😂But that's just because it was due to inexperience, innocence and the lack of good quality (affordable) used cars. No one with an ICE car today will run it out of petrol or put themselves in "desperate" situations, so the fact that there are many RUclips videos about running EVs down to 0% SOC just shows how "innocent" we are at this stage of the transition to EVs. Generally, anyone getting an EV today will be fine (there's no anxiety). In a decade (or less), we will look back and consider these "range anxiety" videos to be charmingly innocent.
Correct - but - you'd be amazed how often this comes up in EV discussions, good to see a demonstration video of the non-issue, you get tons of info and warnings.
In my experience the range prediction is far better in an EV. Back when I drove a diesel VW Golf the low-fuel light came on at about 40 miles, and then after 5 miles dropped to 20 miles, and again such that it actually had less than 20 miles when light came on. Whereas in EV I have found the range-to-empty prediction very accurate. Sure, if I drive like a loon then that will fall dramatically ... but the prediction will still be accurate and not suddenly drop like a stone as I approach "empty". Likely if you are running it tight you will slow down ... a lot! ... and that will significantly increase range in an EV. Coupled with SatNav, and many EVs having a 20-ish mile post-0% buffer, its pretty hard to run out ... torrential summer rain, increasing fuel consumption, is the only journey I have had where actual consumption was a problem - would have been same for Petrol. The other risk is arriving at a charger to find them all broken
It really does doesn't it! I think it's the fear of the unknown!
Never had range anxiety, really.
I drive a Toyota Corolla 2.0L GR Sport Hybrid. 500 mile range if you drive sensibly, goes onto pure battery mode as you cruise through built-up areas so zero emissions in villages towns and cities, just short of 200 bhp so plenty of power when you need it. No need to plug in to charge the battery, as it charges itself using regenerative braking or using the engine if needed. This is the technology that should have been implemented during the phase we are in, while new technology is developed and/or infrastructure is put in place for the next phase.
Thanks for your video it has put me off eve's for ever.
Very useful information, will definitely save some of the anxiety from not knowing, would have been nice if you had done more of a summary of distance travelled for all the cars, not just the first, now when are you going to test all other EVs?
It's not her job to help with your anxiety.
I didn't have to go thru many comments to see someone else thinking along my line. A chart of how many miles each vehicle ran after the 0% or 0 miles remaining announcement would have been nice. Just as a data point for comparison. The real thrust of the piece was the experience of running down to zero and how it comes to a stop. Very well done.
Lovely video Philippa! I won't lie - when I saw the name PF something stirred in me! Memories of an intelligent, bubbly, woman journalist came flooding back. Was not disappointed! One question though - were any of the batteries damaged by this degree of discharge? Did they all recharge easily? E.G I thought Tesla batteries and BMS had big problems if they are run flat.
You definitely want to charge it as soon as possible, and not leave it flat for days and weeks, but, as long as you get some juice back in within half a day or so, it's fine. The systems keep drawing power otherwise.
Very useful information. Nice to know there is a margin of error in the SOC battery indicator. As other EV owners have said, why would you not look for a charge point when you’re below 15% or so. Thank you for doing such friendly videos.
Because of Putin 😂😂😂
The only time I haven't is when I'm close to my destination and I know I can charge there.
Yep, top up below 15% or so for any fuel, no different for an EV
Cracking video Philippa, just what we all need to know for the (hopefully long-distance future). Thank you. Loved your stuff ever since Tomorrow's World, and now you are part of it - TW that is. You look great too.
Valuable advice! I guess the takeaway is.. believe the car when it says "empty". This will allow you maneuver to a safe place to wait for help while you still valuable time to make decisions and, most importantly, while you still have control of the vehicle.
Thing is there are gas stations everywhere what you going to do knock on Farmer Brown's door and ask if you can plug in your goddamn stupid electric car you going to get shot b****
Not if you are queuing on a motorway and you can't get to the outside lane that would be a problem . The times when I've driven out of London on the M1 up north could be tricky .
Charging places are on my info screen there is always somewhere to charge , i just cant see how anyone can run out .
Nice detailed video but they left out for me a major question. How much do they charge to come out and rescue you. Or maybe that doesn't matter because if you can afford a ev money is not a problem.
I have another question. What would insurance cost be like for these vehicles
Recovery is included in standard breakdown cover, the suppliers obviously go by statistics and not the hysterical nonsense on this channel.
@@NR-nf1il £400 a year fully comprehensive including breakdown. MG5.
Insurance companies go on hard statistics, not the nonsense on this channel.
If the makers of EV's had thought about the problem of people running out of charge a bit deeper, they could have made it possible for the vehicle to be charged and towed at the same time, and the addition of an extra charging socket at the front of the vehicle could be used to speed up the charging process further by utilising the generator on the recovery vehicle if it had one, this would benefit the customer by being able to proceed with the journey while the vehicle gets a decent amount of charge.
You can in fact tow and charge an EV using its regenerative braking - puts a big strain on the towing vehicle though. You could also charge while on a flatbed. But far more likely than all this, is you get a flatbed come get you and bring you the 5 miles to the fast charger you fell short of and charge there.
4 years and 50,000 miles and I've never run out, or even come close after seeing these tests.
Surely the warning light is of a tortoise to indicate that you are slowing down. NOT a turtle.
We had one catch fire here in Paphos smoke and pollution everywhere
As soon as a presenter says something daft I cringe. The car still had systems working when the high voltage battery was flat is because they were running off the 12v battery. Even if she was ignorant of this there is a producer, an editor and an entire crew to correct her. But they don’t know what they are talking about either. Experts are more credible.
I CALL IT CHEAP VIDEO
NOT A LOT OF RESEARCH
COSTS MONEY FOR WHAT
That was a very interesting test, thank you. As far as I am concerned that is another reason not to buy (if I could afford one) an all electric vehicle. I have driven some Hybrids and that is the nearest I would go to owning an EV. But even the Hybrids feel so heavy, they are like driving a block on concrete.
An excellent video, thanks very much for taking so much trouble.
This is not a reason to avoid an EV, quite the opposite, it proves they don't suddenly run out, cost is coming down all the time - the MG4 is a great value car.
See if you can rent an EV for a road trip, you will learn a lot and get over your fear of the unknown - you need to experience it first hand I found for all the disinformation and anxiety to float away.
I rented 3 times before buying, by my 3rd rental I knew what I was doing. I do recommend at least one Tesla rental even if you never intend to get one, as it shows what a good charging experience looks like.
Have you ever run out of petrol or diesel?
@@scottvessey915 Yes, but I can pop some more fuel in a matter of minutes and get on my way. Or I can get a friend to tow it home for me.
@@tonyhillyard8876 yep and i towed my mates leaf for a few miles quite happily. Then he had enough battery to drive last 2 miles.
@@bobmuir5811 I take your point Bob, but I just can't get over feeling that this is one of those Betamax moments.
i think that's the first video i have seen that shows what happens when EV's " Break done " .. all the other have been glossy and wonderful ... that was awesome.... I love turtle mode ! I have shared the video , as i was asked this very qestion a few weeks ago .
Bjørn Nyland has a RUclips channel about EVs, including tests of vehicles until they run out (he carries a portable battery with him to then recharge them enough to get to a charger). Most EVs seem to do a significant distance after 0% www.youtube.com/@bjornnyland
Thanks for watching.
The zoe turned into an amphibious vehicle when a turtle appears
Excuse me, why don't you have the brand leader there?
I’m always surprised at how electric vehicles seem awash with massive digital screens and instruments, which presumably consume a lot of power? One might imagine they’d prefer passive, analogue tools that use less power?
No, such consumers use tiny amounts compared to what an analogue dial would use.
you presumption on consumption is wrong. a ev battery has enough power to supply a house for days the only things in an ev that consumes a measurable amount of power is the drive and aircon/heater ...
Heater and AC takes a lot of battery power - Some use the seat coolers to save power over using the AC.
How many minutes of REAL in your face warning did each give? And how many miles/kilometers or feet/inches did each give to allow you to safely remove yourself from a motorway? Sometimes the next exit might be miles away, which is seconds at 70 mph, but might be minutes at 25 or 30 mph. Great test!
This is very interesting. I live in Central Ontario, Canada. Winter temperatures can easily reach -20°C and -40 is not unheard of. I am in a small city about 60 miles north of Toronto. All it would take is a serious collision in winter with Highway 400 (6 lane dual carriage motorway) to close the road for hours, and the batteries could well be in trouble. What happens when you run out of power? Not like you have a Jerry can of extra electrons. I can see it now. Highway opens, traffic begins to move, and the EVs are all needing recovery because sitting dead in the middle of a major motorway is not conducive to waiting hours for a booster vehicle.
Most EVs can sit with the heater running for many hours without problems, and still have enough to drive on.
@@solentbumthat is simply not true.
Ask Tesco who are running 5500 electric delivery vans , which manage 80 miles in mild weather or 60 miles if you use the heater and or lights .
Driver told me himself, they’re trying to get out of the lease agreement as it costing them a lot of money in delivery failures and wasted goods .
I need a source for that my reasonably old nissan leaf can do almost double that distance...
You Review the cars and still don't know that flashes Ac and som other parts of EV works on separate Battery, it's amazing how much self confidence you have!!!
I like the rescue re-charge business model, think they are going to do well. I just wonder what happens in cold snap. Stuck on a snowed up blocked motorway with hardly any battery left......
Freeze to death.
The contraption becomes a fridge; handy for cooling down drinks and, keeping fruits and veggies fresh.
Best way not to break is DO NOT BUY A EV.
I think all the lights work off the lead acid battery
Yes. But there’s no alternator, so the 12v battery is charged off the main traction battery.
And for that very reason,the lead acid batteries,some have more than one,Are allways kept a a full charge,hence the ability to use lights and the Hazard warnings.
Here's one thing that would bother me continually with an EV; knowing that keeping the battery between 45 and 85% of its capacity has a huge effect on the longevity of the battery. I would be worrying too much about the damage I am doing to it when running it down so low.
I certainly like the fact that with a gasoline car, running at 2% or 100% of tank capacity is of almost no concern as far as damage is concerned. I do know that the fuel is used to cool the fuel pump motor, so running with the tank nearly empty on a continual basis is not great.
Depends on the battery chemistry, There are the vehicle cells NMC litium, there are Li-ions mostly in cellphones, Lifepo4 or Lfp for home energy storage or as vehicle cells in some teslas, Lto thats a cell with a voltage curve pretty close to Lead acid batterys but they dont burn and can take an enormous temperature from - 60 up to 80+. Well if you know what you can do with your cells its not that bad, but leaving your ev fully charged a long time would resolve itself, because the traction battery charges the 12v battery several times every day 🤓
Typically, you charge at home to a limit you set once and forget (e.g. 80%) and your daily miles don't get anywhere near 20%, so, for daily driving and home charging, you no longer thing about fuelling - at all.
Road trips, you never hold the battery at those extremes for very long, and you still stay under 80% anyway, because it's so slow to charge above that.
I really reccomend renting an EV for a weekend trip.
@@brushlessmotoring LOL 😂 SHOVE YOUR EV
@@billybrown7953 0 to 60 in 3 seconds is certainly a shove.
@@brushlessmotoring this all may be true, but it still isn't selling itself to people who are used to not having all the limitations of trying to keep their petrol tank between 20 and 80 % full or having to trickle fuel it every night. It always amazes me how EV fans can self justify all of the limitations that they inflict on themselves. It would be fine and just an oddity if it wasn't being inflicted on everyone else who don't want those restrictions and regard it as going backwards or de evolving.
Good Report, if the car quits do the windows still open, do the doors unlock?
EV's have a high voltage battery for driving and a 12volt battery for cars electric systems like locks, window motors, infotainment etc. So yes, everything should still work.
Well on a plug in hybrid Hyundai when you want defrost the window and turn the heater on while the electric is on the engine starts cause there is no heater on the running on battery's so for me just to drive 10min. to get some groceries I still have to run the engine, in the cooler weather. What else doesn't work I don't know but I won't be getting a plug in hybrid. @@AB-wq2vy
Very happy with my 2.7 diesel 😊
I am a member of the Scottish EV group on Facebook. Never heard of anyone running out of power. I do hear of people in long journeys having problems getting charges in remote locations. Just for info, petrol automatics can't be towed either unless they have the gearbox disengaged so any tow truck should be fine with an EV.
True for fluid flywheel autos, which don't like the input turbine being driven back through the system by the wheels. Should be OK on a CVT or DSG mechanical auto, with a real neutral, like a manual box. I think a non mechanical 4wd car might need a full flat bed recovery, rather than a suspended tow. What was said quickly was that the rescue van uses a generator to make electricity. Oh the shame of it. Note also that EVs do go on a flat bed truck.
How do they get it on the flatbed truck can’t winch it up there ,do they have to lift it on
@@royboy1901 If the parking brake will come off, it can be winched.
@@cjmillsnun thanks for that 🏴
@@royboy1901 There is a big difference between pulling a vehicle for a few tens of meters at low speeds to get it out of a tight spot or load it on the back of another vehicle, and pulling it for miles at 30 or so mph. When people say vehicles can't be flat towed they are referring to the latter.
Seems not every EV gives you 20 miles at 0% which might be a good safety feature and reduce breakdown having to be called out.
Yes a common standard in miles/km regardless of size, weight etc
In over 10 years of EV ownership I have never 'run out ', been close a couple of times but never actually run out. Depending on your EV depends on what recovery you have, with the Leaf you can ask the RAC to recover you to a charge point or home. It does actually show on the power meter less segments to indicate reducing power availability.
The only time I have ever been recovered is due to a tyre blow out and that can happen on any car!
14 years, 5 BEVs never run out & I have never suffered from range anxiety!
Like you my 8 year old Leaf has never run out. I bottled it once at 5% and begged a 13A socket off a friend but realise looking at this video that I could have continued for another 2 miles to get home.
I have run out of Diesel & petrol on more occasions than I care to remember, worse still I have put the wrong fuel in once or twice & that can be very expensive to remove.
@@wilkoone9155 Sounds like a bike would also work for you.
If you don't have range anxiety with a EV you could be riding a bicycle instead.
There is not a EV made that can last from charging point to charging point here.
Its 245 miles of 85 mph and mountain roads.
No EV today can do that.
I hate when city people have their heads in the sand.
@@dynevor6327 But with fossil fuels you can carry extra fuel.
Very nice, it's a great report and a great idea..presented in the cute manner never seen before n auto reporting
THIS IS AWSOME!!!! I WILL GET ONE THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!
To be fair I never let my car get before 15% (the lowest I let it get so far) and even at that I could get another 20 miles out of it. Also I been lucky my local charging network has been reliable so far 🤞🏿
If I were to purchase an EV, I would definitely purchase a small trailer and a Honda generator to tow everywhere I went!
Will that work? I think you’d need 220 v and small Honda puts out 110.
I wouldn't have an EV if i was given one for nothing.
I have been questioning this for years and years. That was very informative. I would have liked more info on how far you can actually travel once the warnings start to appear. That would be useful as you can alter your route to (hopefully) get to the nearest charging point. The only big gap I see is that should you be stuck on the motorway or road and stuck in a large traffic stop, say because of an accident, what can you do then ?
Don’t buy an overpriced piece of s….
I wonder what they charge and how long it takes.
Interesting that the emergency recharging service only gives you enough of a charge to get you to the nearest recharging station. But no mention of how long it takes for the emergency recharging and no mention of how long it will take at the nearest recharging station.
But that has always been the the question. How long does it take to recharge an EV if you are not at home and there is nothing that I can find as to how much recharging you EV at home is like leaving you oven and electric burners on all night comparted to filling up your tank with gas in 5 minutes.
And where does the electricity come from to charge an electric car? It comes from coal powered plants and other fossil fuels. Climate activist will tell you that wind and solar are the answer but there is no evidence that wind and solar can provide anything close to the amount of energy needed to power homes and businesses much less hundreds of millions of electric cars.
And then there is the hysteria of saving the planet. The truth is that the mining, processing, and construction of EV batteries is far more harmful than fossil fuel extraction. And the amount of energy and environmental protection for recycling EV batteries requires more energy than recycling gas powered cars.
Here is another real problem with Electric Vehicles. Not only is the electric grid insufficient to service hundreds of millions of EV's, EV's are only affordable with government subsidies which means for everyone who buys an EV someone else is paying for it.
Henry Ford did not get government subsidies to build cars. Oil Companies did not get government subsidies to build gas stations. It all happened because cars and gas were profitable and affordable.
Now the government wants you to buy EV's and because they are not profitable on their own, the government offers government subsidies throughout the supply chain and then tax credits if you buy a government subsidized EV. But even worse, local, state, and Federal governments are using tax payer money to establish charging stations.
Think about that. Gas stations evolved without government because there was a profitable need. But EV's are evolving because people won't buy them unless the government gives the a tax credit and the government establishes charging stations so power companies can get rich without having to spend money to put in power stations that are not used.
Oh and guess what? Charging stations or at home are not free. So where does that money go to? Power stations because Solar and Wind is impossible to sustain the increased load. And the fewer coal, gas, and oil power plants there are the less electric power there is. The Democrat policies make electric power more expensive for everyone way beyond fossil fuels, but with no solutions as to how to lower the costs.
Liberals are OK with this, but I'll give you a real example in my family. My sister is a rabid far leftist progressive liberal. I mean she hates anything that is conservative and loves anything that will save the planet. So, her car quits and she buys a gas powered car. I asked her why with all of your save the planet hysteria you would by a gas powered car? She said because its cheaper.
Ladies and Gentlemen, that sums up the Climate Change agenda. They want you to buy expensive and unstainable EV's while they buy normal cars because they are more economical.
I can see leftists screaming that EV's eliminating cows, eliminating fossil fuels, and by definition eliminating electricity is going to save the planet.
What they won't tell you is that fossil fuels and technologies have enhanced the benefit and health of everyone in the world. Fossil fuels have improved the quality of life of everyone in the world, obviously some more than others, but Elon Mush's Starlink has now provided the internet to hundreds of millions, but Starlink wouldn't be available without fossil fuels to power Starlink. That is why Musk says that fossil fuels are critical until we have the technology to power 400 million people in the US with something else--or words to that affect.
Stay in the fossil fuel age if you wish, many of us are moving to renewable energy and EV’s. EV’s are evolving quickly, look how far they have come in a decade!
What happens when 50 thousand run out of battery because there aren’t enough charges
A DELTIC LOCOMOTIVE on rubber tyres connected behind electric cars is definately THE WAY FORWARD.
This has to be the best anti EV commercial I ever seen! Shame she didn't drive thru the Scottish Highlands.
EV runs out of battery... needs an ICE genrator to recover... 🤣
Could have also been rescued with an electric Ford Transit with the 240V 30A inverter package, or could be tow-charged by another EV. In 40,000 miles, I've never needed this type of service, it's a rare exception.
But this isn’t a break down…..this is poor planning
Helpful video. Great stuff.
Very interesting. What age are the vehicles? What distance have they travelled? Would a ten year old 150, 000 mile car be possible and if so what results be obtained?
Good points raised, well presented, and done in a safe environment,
Running out of power on an ev will put you and other motorists at risk , and for much longer than conventional or hybrid,
The breakdown company staff have to take risks to rescue people,
Which on many occasions is caused by not managing charging responsibly, to save money or time,
or driving with a charging fault to the point of stopping instead of driving to the garage for repair,
Eloquent & informative as ever 👍🏻
I always wondered too. When you run out of battery. What would happen. Thans for the informative video
My Volvo C40 has a built in reserve of 9kWh. If I run out, I use the Volvo support button and they remotely free up that reserve power so you can get to a safe spot or charger. Haven’t the other brands got such a reserve ?
What have you being doing to the drivers headrest on the Renault Zoe Philippa?
Good question... Personally this is where a bluetti or jackery or similar (bonus points for solar panels) would come in handy
Once you drop below ten miles range, find a SAFE place to park. DO NOT use hazard warning lights as these will flatten the 12volt service battery, meaning the controls will not work. Either call out a recharge business or a conventional car recovery operator to load you and transport you to the nearest charging point. Flattening your 12 volt service battery so the controls don't work will create a big problem for both recharge and recovery options.
Recharge is the better option but DO NOT FLATTEN your 12 volt service battery
I have only run out of fuel once in an ICE. That was a 2001 model and the engine just stopped running and I coasted to a stop. EVs seem to have a more controlled turn off.
I live in a metro area where time is used to answer "how far away is...?" So my question is how much time do I have in my charge?
What happens when your incendiary device runs out of electricty?
You get a gas or diesel powered generator to charge it up!
Just watched a video from America where a Tesla was towed on the highway and it was getting charged whilst being towed.
the power jacks at work have this feature. it shuts off the pump to lift. but has a "reserve" to power the motor so you can move it to a plug to spend 4-5 hrs recharging.
a gas or diesel. will just stop. but can be refueled in 3 minuets.
could you unlock/open the doors, or did the guy in the truck have to get you out?
4:01 - that’s because you also have a 12 volt battery to power admin processes like the turn signal.
Would like to know what damage is happening to that flat battery.does the battery lose some recharge time everytime it's charged ie starts to die a little everytime you do run low and does not hold it's charge to full capacity again.I have metion this before is why can't the maufacture make tray battery packs like you can have for some camera flashes which use say 4 batteries but are replaceable quickly.Then have them standardised throughout the vehicles then have garages that hold large quantities of them fully charged.you drive in get your batteries changed for whatever mileage you want then pay for them,It's a bit like filling your car up at a petrol station but it will be batteries that are already topped up for a quick change.It's like 8 x AAA battery packs.my idea stops this long charging times at the powerpoints.
Waited 9 hrs for the rac they dont do North Norfolk on a sunday really? They forgot to mention that when i renewed.
Hello Philippa, Not seen you in any content for decades. Just for giggles, I was born in 1965, and in my teenage years my favourite show was tomorrows world, where along came this vibrant young presenter who, dare I say it, I had a teenage crush on. I seem to remember an episode where you appeared pregnant, that dashed my teenage dreams, lol. anyway, so happy to see you looking well and producing content again; on any platform. I don't have the crush anymore, but, you are still beautiful and of course I subscribed.
There is always somebody who push s the boundry s to get more distance plus more so when they forget to charge it , Big question not answered do the hazard lights still work or even any lights ? Interesting test .
Living in the western America I wondered about this. What do you do running from wild fire. No 30 minutes to charge.
EVs less likely to run out because if you have home charge you start with “full tank” every day unlike gas. THAT is the convenience
The solution is simple, fit Bev's with smaller batteries and a range extender (like BMW i3 had). Most regular journeys done EV only, but a backup for longer journeys and charging issues.
That's what I would like to have.
Is that a diesel van charging up the leccys? 10 mile charge in half an hour?