A deep dive on the Golden Throne seemed long overdue, especially with the End and the Death of the Emperor upon us. Do LIKE the video if you enjoyed, and share your own thoughts about him below. Thanks again to Noble Chairs for the amazing 40K Edition chair: www.noblechairs.co.uk/en-gb/warhammer40k
You know another way of looking at what happens to psykers is that they're all brought together as one Mass Instead of acting like they're screaming they could be singing harmoniously with one voice
@@QixTheDSYes, the IoM has a population of Quadrillions of humans and Abhumans, for the modern scale of the earth it is something gigantic bigger than the population of China and India combined, but for a galactic government with more than 1 million planets it is something small.
and its certainly more than 1000, when vulcan is considering during the end and the death 2 how many have been used he says that used during the unspoken sanction is a fraction of that used via sigil to sustain malcador
Administratum imprisoning me All that I see Absolute horror I cannot live I cannot die Trapped in myself Body my holding cell Horus has taken my sight Taken my speech Taken my hearing Taken my arms Taken my legs Taken my soul Left me with life in hell -Emp, Metallicus, 41.988
The way the Emperor managed to possess Guilliman while in Nurgle's garden, only to scare the later enough to make him *hide* in his mansion while burning away a huge chunk of the garden *and* teabagging the God *and* telling him to warn the other 3 about how Big E is tired of their shit shows the Throne, combined with the worship of quadrillions for 10000 years really is a power amplifier rising the Emperor's soul to the level of a God.
Hundreds of trillions each day* There are over 100 billion stars and as many planets in the galaxy. With the Imperium occupying 90% of it and having tens of billions populating each, that gives you total population of over 1*10^21. A combination of the mightiest human psyker ever, the mightiest "THRONE device" ever and the continuous ten thousand year long daily worship of him by sextillions uncounted means that nothing can stop the Big E after the Great Rift.
@@venga3since he already spoiled it, it’s from Godblight. In the final battle Mortarion transports Gulliman to Nurgles garden and straight kills him. The Emperor immediately possesses Gulliman’s body, talks mad shit to Nurgle and burns down his garden. Then at some point he presumably healed Gulliman who just got his ass stomped and killed by a sickness that Chaos spent three books preparing.
I really enjoy these videos exploring the more "base" elements of 40k so to speak, sure covering nieche topics is fun and all but sometimes it is just refreshing to learn more about things that sit at the core of the genre and we sometimes just take for granted. Definately looking forward to more stuff regardless what topic it is though.
I love the idea that the golden throne is the chair that links you to the game of stellaris that controls the imperium and that big E hates grand strategy games and was trying to talk magnus the nerd into playing it for him only to get stuck playing it and hating life anyway 😂
I think the reason why the Emperor chose to be interred upon the Golden Throne instead of reincarnate is because he *couldn't* reincarnate due to being laid low by an anathema weapon, and the only reason why he survived it in the first place was because the anathema weapon destroyed his Perpetual abilities.
I think the Emperor is tied inexorably to the throne. When his webway plan was undone by Magnus, he saw the sitting on the Golden Throne as the last resort. He knew ascending it would be his damnation. Forever bound to it in order to preserve humanity. With the whole Molech thing, it seems he made a deal with the other Chaos gods. He gained power by dealing/cheating them. I believe the current situation is a result of his deal. He never wanted to be god or be worshiped as one. That's the tragic turn. He has no other option but to rely on the faith of humanity. He hates this. But he is not blind to the reality of the situation. If he doesn't use the faith of humanity, then he dies. Humanity dies. So instead, he accepts the worship. His only chance of success is to become a god. To go against what he detested at the beginning. It's the ultimate irony. In order to win, you have to give up what you could never agree to lose. In choosing divinity, the big e bound himself to the same rules as the other chaos gods. He became what he detested. He is now part of the great game. A god vying for worship and power. Humanity was doomed from this point. By worshiping the Emperor, we became nothing more than the followers of Chaos. The imperium simply chose the Emperor instead of the other gods. I think this is what the chaos gods may have wanted. They saw the big e as an opportunity to bring in another player to the Great Game. Magnus' role would then obviously be the most important. His breaching of the barriers to the webway project being the defining moment and even the entire purpose of the Horus Heresy from the perspective of Chaos.
I've been thinking similarly on the topic of Big E and the deal he made with the Chaos gods for a while because it just makes too much sense. What other deal could all 4 possibly make with a human other than to equally gain/lose a portion of their power via a new player? A new player who I'm certain all 4 would believe they could each beat individually, and take his power for themselves.
I'm reading the Horus Heresy books and a huge chunk of this is all but directly stated. I say 'all but' because there's an 'unreliable narrator' factor (chaos servants soooooo....) but it makes a lot of sense. I have limited sympathy for him, however...why in the actual fuck did he deal with the Chaos gods? Surely he'd have to know that there would be consequences. And nobody knowing what the hell Chaos even is (and the Imperium suppressing the information despite it already having wreaked havoc allllll over the galaxy) certainly didn't help.
40k Theories has a great video speculating on that topic. There's actually a lot of other evidence pointing to Big E being effectively a Warp God like the Legion of the Damned essentially being daemons and the fact he can posess people and grant them powers.
I actually had a shower moment thinking about the Golden Throne today. I was wondering to myself if it was just life-support beacon or if it has any other powers.
I think initially the Golden Throne was a more mind impulse linkage system to other series of Dark Age psyker-machines, apparatuses & sensor systems with some life-aiding subsystems, ...before it had additional added life sustaining mechanisms, machines & circuits, monitoring sensors, & protocoled medical tech, plus additional mental protection and amplification relays/switchgear, processing units and related circuitry, installed after the Emperor was brought grievously wounded back from The Vengeful Spirit, as he informed and instructed Dorn & the Custodes of the modifications needed for before his internment within.
Targutai Yesugei, the White Scar Stormcaller, who poked around Dark Glass before sitting down on the throne (after peeling the remains of Pieter Helian Achelieux off of it...) found messages relayed from Terra suggesting that Magnus would sit atop Dark Glass as a way-station between Terra and Catallus since Yesugei could fill the Golden Throne was connected to Dark Glass.
Ive literally been deep diving on the lore of the golden throne just this last week, now Luetin provides something coherent. The Emperor really does protect.
@@evanabbott2737GW is on a 20 year plan. First bring all the Primarchs back that can back. Second bring Emporer back. Third Unite all planets with scattered human and human sub species such as the Squats. Fourth build up a vast army with Primaris, zenos allies, human subspecies, limited ancient tech (Men of Aluminum, lesser than Men of Iron but still quite capable, lol), non-evil warp entities or as yet unknown species. Fifth War with Chaos and after significant losses they Triumph. Sixth with the vast amount of psychic warp energy being used ,( thrown around), more are attracted from outside the galaxy and begin to debour it. Seventh the Emporer ascends to God hood and wins
Luetin, this was a very thought provoking video. Love it! My take on the Golden Throne, in sci-fi terms we should all be familiar with, is that the throne is akin to the heart of a TARDIS. It was supposed to allow instant access to all parts of the empire and allow the person sitting upon it to monitor the galaxy and open portals for, say, Space Marines to travel to enemy incursions without having to enter the Warp. The problem was that it works too good. Instead of the throne monitoring all points of the galaxy in real time, it monitors it at all points in time too. Sitting upon the throne results in information overload as the person's mind exists at all points in time and space (possibly all other galaxies too). This everywhere at once condition makes it impossible for the Emperor to heal or regenerate as he is stuck outside of linear time. He therefore needs to get replaced upon the throne to allow his rebirth, but in the past ten thousand years he has either been unable or unwilling to swap places with someone strong enough to handle the throne for however long he'd require them to - or, worse, realizes that such a transfer would have dire consequences for the empire.
That's a refreshingly new take. We think a lot about it's physical appearance and position but rarely about how it looks from a temporal perspective. A lot of the descriptions of mortals sitting on the throne talk about them withering away. What if this actually extreme rapid aging?
Luetin you gem i literally just made a coffee after an afternoon catching up on boring work-related tasks and general life admin. This feels like i got a reward for being a grownup 😂
Inquisitor: Martyr was my first true introduction to the world of 40k. Luetin has been key to my deeper understanding of the lore. These videos are as much a part of my love of 40k, as any of the official materials. Thanks for all you do, brother.
You are leading the charge in 40k lore. As your channel gets better and more (well deserved) recognition, it stands to show the die hard love we have for this world. We thank you for all you do Luetin - thank you brother.
Your first two videos on the Emperor and the history of the Imperium were some of my very first introduction into 40k. You almost single handedly hooked me into the hobby. I really wish GW had guys like you deeply involved with crafting the lore. Good video, man.
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Would absolutely love to see a video focused on Lorgar and the Word Bearers, I feel like theyre so slept on. Theres so much internal drama and ridiculous basckstabbing happening on Sicarus
It would be an incredible connection if the Eldar gods were immensely psychically powerful Eldar, who used similar thrones to wield, amplify, and project their power during the War in Heaven. And then afterwards, ascended to become purely psychic beings. Maybe similar to the Emperor’s plan?
I love the idea that the Emperor isn’t a decaying living corpse but is still very functional and is just using the Golden throne with all the scarifies and worship to make him something more then just a god.
Only got into 40k a year ago after stumbling across one of your lore videos, i've been hooked ever since. i can't play TTG due to hand inpairment but i enjoy the lore. Also took up your advice and joined audible.. best thing i ever did. Great Video as always.
I mean, the Emperor and the Imperium using an immeasurably powerful device thats an aggregate of technology from the peak of several species and civilisations just as a door bolt fits with the Imperium and the setting pretty well.
Maybe the crusade was the Emperor hoping to find another throne (intact hopefully) so he can learn how to properly rebuild the one he had on Terra. I think he ultimately failed because his ambitions were too big, and that made any planning he had even more difficult.
I enjoy that you explain why you speculate about and make videos about the stuff you do. It gives the impression that you’re actually engaging with the lore from a critical perspective instead of just reading it out to us
Kind of weird listening to Luetin during the day. I'm so conditioned to listening to him at night as part of the Luetin sleep club I started to get sleepy haha.
It was one of the most confusing aspects of 40k to me. The emperor fought so long and hard, against godhood, even denegrating the word bearers for their refusal to accept this. Yet now he "knows" what the inquisition is and what they do and he did not tell Guilliman to outlaw and destroy them. I am sure i am either missing something, or that it is just plot armor, (i dont want the inquisition gone or anything) but i always found the whole thing confusing. This was a fascinating video as always Leutin! Great work sir!! I realy apreciate your fantastic work. You and Arch really got me hooked on 40k lore!
The emperor understands at this point the inquisition is so entrenched within human society it would cause massive upheavals if he were to dissolve it, and although the inquisition is f***d up they still serve the purpose of checks and balances to other powers and rooting out chaos etc etc
Guilliman knows that this would end the Imperium as a whole. As bad as "faith" and religion is viewed by him (Big E) and even Custodes, they know this is what holds the Imperium togehter. And id argue that this is why the Human species is somewhat functional past the Emperors direct influence on the physical World and its inhabitants the faith in him that he leads them even in "death". Also the inquisition was founded by Malcador, the Hero of Mankind. Put one and one together the massive civil wars, that the Imperium can not afford to fight. It spreads, yeah Chaos. But your thoughts on this are very valid and even make alot of sense in context of the overall discussion around this.
Well the inquisition isn’t doing anything The emperor hasn’t done. They were actually partially created by the emperors main adviser. Plus a lot of videos people make that mention the inquisition only mention the worst of them not the fact they do things to help save planets sectors of space etc. Like if the worst things the loyalist space marines did was the only thing we really heard about they’d sound worse then the inquisition
the inquisition, and the ecclesiarchy have massive power over the imperium, and they have shaped the opinions and thinking over the course of millenia. Even the Marine legions themself contain a lot of zealous people. if Robot goes against the church, he goes against everything the (modern) imperium stands for. Even parts of his legion might turn against him. also anything controversial he says would just be written up to xeno corruption. (due to the circumstances of his resurrection.) and half his brothers are traitors already so people would be swift to put him into that corner.
@@MichaSennin great points, I was hoping someone would give an answer like this. Your point makes total sense, I didn't even think of the fact that Malcador started the Inquisition, and he as the Hero of mankind likely still holds an important place in the minds of many (at least those nobles who know history). I can't imagine telling the Death Korps of Kreig that the emperor was not a God for instance, even if it came from Guilliman himself. These are the kinds of 40k conversations I really enjoy having. Thanks for the reply. Gives me more to consider.
Oh my goodness, I really enjoy the specific humor that comes with deep lore, the bit at 20:18 about the custodes asking if the emperor wants a drink is so goddamn funny and so incredibly specific. I feel like I heard a great joke in some archaic language that only I and sixty five other 40K professors understand
Nice juicy subject matter, thanks Luetin! So, my take on this is that the golden throne is a metaphorical psychic hamster wheel hooked up to a turbo charged metaphorical power generator. So this allows you to turn your psychic energy into a kind of energy that you can use to power a whole bunch of useful machines, your ability to invent turbo charges psychic machinery is the limit. I'd love to see a video covering what exactly the ecclesiarchy believes. I bet it's pretty convoluted. Wonderful content as always.
i like how everyone just takes it as a hard fact that Malcador 1- sat on the golden throne , and 2 - that doing so brought on his subsequent death . i mean him and the Emp, we'll they saw the cards fall, endless amount of times, and given how every one talks about how twisty both of them where , i could honestly see Malcador , wizard of OZing it for the last 10k years . I would even say this scenario is reasonable . Lets not forget , that Malcador was powerful enough to be able to potentially kill pre heresy Horus with his mind . Magus , couldn't do that , with all the power of the warp behind him , so is the death of Malcador , really reasonable ?
Thats a really good point tbh. It doesnt make a whole lot of sense that the Throne would body Malcador so easilly while Magnus would be able to presumably be able to use it indefinitely. Unless there is some sort of absolute limit. Like you can be really athletic, but if you cant swim you drown pretty quick, however even average athletes who can swim can do so for hours.
I was under the impression that the reason the Throne dusted Malcador is because it had been damaged when Magnus stuck his nose where it didn't belong, which is also the reason someone had to sit on it early at all. It being partially broken or malfunctioning could also contribute to why Big E can't heal.
idt it was ever actually canonically stated that the throne was damaged , just the wards of the palace blown open. though i think it 's a great explanation for how Malcador 's instant death could have happened , but given 2 possible options i think that malcador faking his death and the emperor using this incident to turn him self into a God more likely , rather than in a moment of panic both of them these smarter that smart immortals that could see into the future , that they would just sacrifice everything just to keep the lights on , esp when the imperium wasn't their 1st rebuilding humanity from the ashes , just their current best effort @@Ahrpigi
I believe you might be right in that the Golden Throne's original purpose when crafted by the Emp that it was a tunneling device, administrative communication device, and offensive against the warp device. It feels too good of a device not to have grand machinations than "Life Support storm door!"
50:00 Dunno if it's canon or just head-canon but I've always thought the golden throne was growing new, "artificial" and human created sections to graft into the already existing webway.
The 'golden throne' was set up as the initiator and interface with the webway. So it was absolutely Eldar tech. It was designed to take in psy energy and use it to punch a hole into the webway and the stabilize a portal. Then it would probably require some psy maintenance. It was then repurposed on the fly to take in psy energy and project it through the Emperor to create the astronomicon beacon. It also forms a psy plug into the human webway that is open to the warp, preventing demons from attacking Terra. Its like taking a movie projector and using it as a flashlight.
amazing as always, tbh I wouldn't have thought there was enough about the Golden Throne to make a video about but once again you've done an amazing job
What if the Throne was given to Mankind by Tzeentch in the past as a "long game" strategy to take out the Emperor? He knew he couldn't defeat the Emperor outright, but what if you take him off the board via other means? "Just as planned"
There is also the disturbing fact that the Imperial Eagle has two heads, which happens to be the form of Tzeentch demons. It would actually be a good demonic joke if the Imperium was being manipulated by Tzeentch and only thought they were fighting against Chaos, but were actually helping it by creating conflict, despair, intrigue and pain.
Tzeentch loves Big E. All his plans, betraying, schemes, his ability to inspire change. Lets also not forget an aspect of Tzeentch is also hope. 40k humanity by its overall existence and nature are fueling Tzeentch like crazy. Big E himself is also the entire races literal symbol of hope. Then their symbols is the two eyed bird which is 100% tzeenchian. Instead of the two headed bird looking at the past and the future it shuts its eyes to the past and keeps its gaze on the future, also a symbolism of hope for a better tomorrow. There's also a short story that has a Tzeentchian priest that essentially says Tzeentch has always admired Big E. If it was a long game pof Tzeentch it wasn't to "take out" Big E as much as it was to to get humanity to where they are now which as I said basically fuels him by there very concept of existence more then any other god.
@filteredjc4653 "He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods." Since hearing that quote and learning about the lore, I believe that was the endgame of chaos all along, to force the Emperor, and therefore humanity, into the decaying state they exist now.
Perhaps the Starchild is the shard of the Emperor, the one he cut off just before he battled Horus, and perhaps if they are rejoined the Emperor might then become whole yet again, perhaps also needing some extra help like Guilliman ? Maybe he just needs to be whole to be able to heal himself right, perhaps also by consuming yet more psykers ?
I was listening to the third dark origins video I think it was, And I had an idea relating to the idea of a unified time system for the imperium. What about quantum entanglement? The concept is already made use of by the necron and since our current tech in the year 2000 is capeable of basic quantum computing building a simble quantum transmission device able to transmit the tiny amount of data that would be required for time keeping would not be a challenge… the ony caveat is I’m not sure how it would interact with warp travel. But it’s an interesting idea. Keep up the awesome videos
Magnus rebuilds the emperor's webway project, uses it to return to Terra, after finding a way to resurrect the rubrica and the emperor too. Proceeds to resurrect the emperor, throw off the control of Tzeeztch and his mutations, then takes over on the golden throne and finally forful his destiny that was required by his father. Magnus upon the golden throne? Thoughts?
But we know one of the main things the Throne does: it "moved" the boundaries of the Webway in synch with the movement of the warp. The way it's described in Master of Mankind it flexes the walls of the Webway to keep the warp out of it. Because the human Webway was not made by someone who knew what they were doing, it couldn't ebb and flow like the rest naturally of it. So he had to do it psychically.
Magnus is the best option to replace the emepror on the throne. The Emperor planned him to become the beacon that would guide humanity across the darkness of space. Perhaps this would play out in some later story
When I was younger and first heard of 40K and the ‘golden throne’ I couldn’t help but think a writer ran out ideas and came up with the concept while sitting on a toilet in no a fancy public bathroom. 😂
I would love to see the Emperor sacrifice earth in the final hour of the Tyranid consuming the galaxy with somehow enough power to destroy them, only to realize when he’s done that he’s the Emperor of a dead universe as its sole being.
That soul shard of empathy, love, and joy he sent away I think ended up in imperium Nihilius, bringing the Lion back. But as the enthroned emperor called Guilliman his LAST son/weapon/thing , I think he is unaware of the Lion and the shard on the other side of the rift, that he is cut off from the rest of him still on the Golden Throne. When Guilliman - wielding the emperor's SWORD - reunites with the Lion - wielding the emperor's SHIELD - so too shall the enthroned emperor meet his last shard. What a consequential moment THAT will be. Will he destroy it, will he reunite with it and stand up anew?
I'd love 2 what if scenario stories 1 where humanity somehow truly starts recovering and actually has a great outcome and 1 where shit hits the fan harder and falls apart completely
In my own head canon, the golden throne not only uses the life essence and psychic powers of human psykers to sustain the emperor, but it is also a weapon. I thought of this while I was listening to the Black Legion series because it describes the light of the astronomicon as a blazing fire that all the warp creatures avoided. So I thought that powers the astronomicon, the emperor and those psykers that sustain him. So what if the golden throne was a last ditch effort to unless a psychic attack on the warp itself, like using explosives to put out a forest fire. In enters the device vulkan created that fits into the golden throne and the terminus decree on titan.
I have been trying to learn some of the lore of 40k and it's a mind bender for those of us coming in at random angles. It's a very interesting story and I can understand the attraction to the series (Table top or Online games) I am just a regular gamer, mostly MMo's j/rpgs. Nothing ever so deep as this, and this is very addictive. Thank you for these videos, making it easier for noobs like myself to learn :)
Ever since reading Prospero Burns, I’ve had the thought of you look at the Golden Throne and Magnus and his Thousand Sons, the coincidence that he would sit the throne and the thousand coffins to power it could be for his sons.
Thought about Mag on the throne, his warp blindness to chaos may have been intentional so that when he took the throne he wouldn't have given them anything.
I like the short story "Lacrymata". Where the shining beacon of the astanomicon reaches out and saves the navigator from the psychic taint of the astropath.
My theory is the Emperor has left his body on the throne and is off in the Web way. When Magnus used the Web way to warn the Emperor of Horus, he left his body in a cave and was guarded in order for his return. The throne has been updated with Eldar parts after ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN returned and embarked on the Indomitus Crusade
I think you can answer a lot of the questions posed about the emperor towards the end of the video with " Because he's a megalomaniacal dictator who fully believes everything he does is justified or will be justified by the eventual result"
Great video.. My current headcanon is that the Golden Throne is tech left over from the Old Ones. It was probably originally used to build the original Webway and is essentially a psychic 'STC-style' system. Allowing for the control and creation of devices/objects using warp energy...with the Webway just being one of its creations.
The Emperor is partially based on Leto Atreides and the 40K universe is loosely based on the Dune universe. GW asks of the Dune universe, what if Leto never took the Golden Path because he was stopped from attaining it? 40K is what happens.
00:31:30 It occured that the matter ball that sucked in Astartes in that mvp series was a black glass origin. Latter, it would only make sense the Emperor was a member of Throne project during dark ages. Impossible for him to miss out on this one. Ty
Neither Malcador the Hero nor Big E himself have ever struck me as being reckless enough to take on a task as massive as shaping the future of mankind, without putting considerable thought to how to get themselves out of untenable situations. So I suspect The Emperor and Malcador had a semblance of a back up plan for just such an event as the death of the Sigilite and the fall of the Emperor at the hands of Horus. My theory is the Star Child will return to Terra after a time and rejoin with the Emperor, giving him enough power to sever his connection to the Golden Throne. However, there is the issue of a replacement. Who else could sit the Throne and survive?
The Dark Glass still sounds like Old One inventions to me, but Trazyn's overtly speculated a couple times that the Golden Throne is either Necron-tech or based on Necron-tech. That would explain a lot.
I think it's obvious, the way He will eventually leave the Throne is by slapping his hands onto his knees and saying: "... Right then!" before standing up.
The emperor knowing a lot about the chaos, the webway, and wanting to transport humanity there so it would starve them. He would have to know how chaos gods are created or at the very least how Slaanesh was created through the Eldar. It would explain his resistance to being worshipped like that, knowing what it would do and the throne keeps that from happening and him on this plain like an anchor.
I think the authors of the setting have worked hard enough to intimate that whatever the Necrons can do with blackstone, it's quite a bit more complicated than rolling around with a piece of mineral and tuning it to the right frequencies xD
The Emperor is the most powerful being as a result of the throne. It is referenced multiple times that the chaos gods basically cower before him. I would bargain that it is because he is believed to be a god by humanity but is also anchored to the physical realm by the throne. This enables him to act in the physical while the gods need to possess someone to act as their anchor. Using a person as an anchor burns them out while the throne is eternal.
I think if a Sororita were to witness the rite of the Golden Throne, she'd be shook. She's human after all. She'd likely say it's a necessary thing, and that the Emperor will have reasons beyond her understanding. In essence, the horrors the Emperor is fighting must be greater than the horrors he inflicts upon his own.
A deep dive on the Golden Throne seemed long overdue, especially with the End and the Death of the Emperor upon us. Do LIKE the video if you enjoyed, and share your own thoughts about him below. Thanks again to Noble Chairs for the amazing 40K Edition chair: www.noblechairs.co.uk/en-gb/warhammer40k
Here come all the people about to disagree with you despite not having watched even 5 minutes into the video.
Of all your fantastic videos that were a total gateway to 40K universe for me, the Emperor series is by far the most lore-rich. Thank you!
Yooo, thank you for making my day, Luetin. I adore Emperor lore!!!
You know another way of looking at what happens to psykers is that they're all brought together as one Mass
Instead of acting like they're screaming they could be singing harmoniously with one voice
It’s a giant golden toilet and the Emperor has IBS or Crohn’s Disease
As I sit here, trapped upon my porcelain throne, I feel a kinship with the emperor of man.
Same
Same
At least you can stand afterwards. Although, there is the leg numbing experience afterwards.
The Emperor protects those who serve?
@@theprogenitor951 after ten thousand years I'm afraid of how bad the numbing would be and am afraid to get up.
Would it be beneficial to attach a text to speech device on the throne perhaps? 🤔
if he could text that would be good enough
Sounds interesting, one could make many fun episodes about it.
I don't think GW would like that very much.
@@nobleman9393And get demolished by GW
Lube me up and cover me in oil, that's a great idea.
If every 1000 Psykers were sacrificed per day in 10,000 Years
The Golden Throne would already absorb the souls of 3.25 billion Psykers.
Pretty tiny when you think about it.
@@QixTheDSYes, the IoM has a population of Quadrillions of humans and Abhumans, for the modern scale of the earth it is something gigantic bigger than the population of China and India combined, but for a galactic government with more than 1 million planets it is something small.
Good observation.
I once did the math and thought in the grand scheme of things, that number ain't so high after all.
and its certainly more than 1000, when vulcan is considering during the end and the death 2 how many have been used he says that used during the unspoken sanction is a fraction of that used via sigil to sustain malcador
Israel: **jealousy intensifies**
Administratum imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell
Horus has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell
-Emp, Metallicus, 41.988
Get an AI to replace the lyrics and sign this.
Bolts in the air
Strapped in the golden chair
Chaos's tides controlling me
That was great 😂 🤘🤘
It would be M2 988
“Administratum” has way too many syllables to replace “darkness.” Maybe “Chaos” instead?
The way the Emperor managed to possess Guilliman while in Nurgle's garden, only to scare the later enough to make him *hide* in his mansion while burning away a huge chunk of the garden *and* teabagging the God *and* telling him to warn the other 3 about how Big E is tired of their shit shows the Throne, combined with the worship of quadrillions for 10000 years really is a power amplifier rising the Emperor's soul to the level of a God.
"It's not His power, it's what He does with it" 😭
Hundreds of trillions each day*
There are over 100 billion stars and as many planets in the galaxy. With the Imperium occupying 90% of it and having tens of billions populating each, that gives you total population of over 1*10^21. A combination of the mightiest human psyker ever, the mightiest "THRONE device" ever and the continuous ten thousand year long daily worship of him by sextillions uncounted means that nothing can stop the Big E after the Great Rift.
That was actually bad idea and bad writing.
What the hell are you even talking about?
@@venga3since he already spoiled it, it’s from Godblight. In the final battle Mortarion transports Gulliman to Nurgles garden and straight kills him. The Emperor immediately possesses Gulliman’s body, talks mad shit to Nurgle and burns down his garden. Then at some point he presumably healed Gulliman who just got his ass stomped and killed by a sickness that Chaos spent three books preparing.
I really enjoy these videos exploring the more "base" elements of 40k so to speak, sure covering nieche topics is fun and all but sometimes it is just refreshing to learn more about things that sit at the core of the genre and we sometimes just take for granted. Definately looking forward to more stuff regardless what topic it is though.
I love the idea that the golden throne is the chair that links you to the game of stellaris that controls the imperium and that big E hates grand strategy games and was trying to talk magnus the nerd into playing it for him only to get stuck playing it and hating life anyway 😂
I think the reason why the Emperor chose to be interred upon the Golden Throne instead of reincarnate is because he *couldn't* reincarnate due to being laid low by an anathema weapon, and the only reason why he survived it in the first place was because the anathema weapon destroyed his Perpetual abilities.
Where does it say that he's attacked by an anathema weapon?
@@lewiscleminson1929I know Horus was capable of killing perpetuals. Olanius Pius got permanently pink misted. And Sanguinius was killed body and soul.
Interesting hypothesis. If it becomes cannon, I’ll remember where I first read it.
I think the Emperor is tied inexorably to the throne. When his webway plan was undone by Magnus, he saw the sitting on the Golden Throne as the last resort. He knew ascending it would be his damnation. Forever bound to it in order to preserve humanity. With the whole Molech thing, it seems he made a deal with the other Chaos gods. He gained power by dealing/cheating them. I believe the current situation is a result of his deal. He never wanted to be god or be worshiped as one. That's the tragic turn. He has no other option but to rely on the faith of humanity. He hates this. But he is not blind to the reality of the situation. If he doesn't use the faith of humanity, then he dies. Humanity dies. So instead, he accepts the worship. His only chance of success is to become a god. To go against what he detested at the beginning. It's the ultimate irony. In order to win, you have to give up what you could never agree to lose. In choosing divinity, the big e bound himself to the same rules as the other chaos gods. He became what he detested. He is now part of the great game. A god vying for worship and power. Humanity was doomed from this point. By worshiping the Emperor, we became nothing more than the followers of Chaos. The imperium simply chose the Emperor instead of the other gods. I think this is what the chaos gods may have wanted. They saw the big e as an opportunity to bring in another player to the Great Game. Magnus' role would then obviously be the most important. His breaching of the barriers to the webway project being the defining moment and even the entire purpose of the Horus Heresy from the perspective of Chaos.
This does makes sense
I've been thinking similarly on the topic of Big E and the deal he made with the Chaos gods for a while because it just makes too much sense.
What other deal could all 4 possibly make with a human other than to equally gain/lose a portion of their power via a new player? A new player who I'm certain all 4 would believe they could each beat individually, and take his power for themselves.
Tl dr he became the dark king eventually even if he dodnt mean to at first. On behest of his first warmaster
I'm reading the Horus Heresy books and a huge chunk of this is all but directly stated. I say 'all but' because there's an 'unreliable narrator' factor (chaos servants soooooo....) but it makes a lot of sense. I have limited sympathy for him, however...why in the actual fuck did he deal with the Chaos gods? Surely he'd have to know that there would be consequences. And nobody knowing what the hell Chaos even is (and the Imperium suppressing the information despite it already having wreaked havoc allllll over the galaxy) certainly didn't help.
40k Theories has a great video speculating on that topic. There's actually a lot of other evidence pointing to Big E being effectively a Warp God like the Legion of the Damned essentially being daemons and the fact he can posess people and grant them powers.
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It amazing how much the channel has grown the last couple years, all the best to luetin
I actually had a shower moment thinking about the Golden Throne today. I was wondering to myself if it was just life-support beacon or if it has any other powers.
Interesting thought
Have you not heard? There's a cup holder on that throne worthy of the Man-Emperor.
I think initially the Golden Throne was a more mind impulse linkage system to other series of Dark Age psyker-machines, apparatuses & sensor systems with some life-aiding subsystems,
...before it had additional added life sustaining mechanisms, machines & circuits, monitoring sensors, & protocoled medical tech, plus additional mental protection and amplification relays/switchgear, processing units and related circuitry, installed after the Emperor was brought grievously wounded back from The Vengeful Spirit, as he informed and instructed Dorn & the Custodes of the modifications needed for before his internment within.
Targutai Yesugei, the White Scar Stormcaller, who poked around Dark Glass before sitting down on the throne (after peeling the remains of Pieter Helian Achelieux off of it...) found messages relayed from Terra suggesting that Magnus would sit atop Dark Glass as a way-station between Terra and Catallus since Yesugei could fill the Golden Throne was connected to Dark Glass.
Source?
@@Rosaslav The Path of Heaven by Chris Wraight. It's the book Lutein primarily references about Dark Glass.
Ive literally been deep diving on the lore of the golden throne just this last week, now Luetin provides something coherent. The Emperor really does protect.
The Emperor Provides.
Same here!
I wish he’d get healed already.
@@evanabbott2737GW is on a 20 year plan. First bring all the Primarchs back that can
back. Second bring Emporer back. Third Unite all planets with scattered human and human sub species such as the Squats. Fourth build up a vast army with Primaris, zenos allies, human subspecies, limited ancient tech (Men of Aluminum, lesser than Men of Iron but still quite capable, lol), non-evil warp entities or as yet unknown species. Fifth War with Chaos and after significant losses they Triumph. Sixth with the vast amount of psychic warp energy being used ,( thrown around), more are attracted from outside the galaxy and begin to debour it. Seventh the Emporer ascends to God hood and wins
The Emperor Sits....a lot.
A one hour video on the Emperor's chair.... alright, I'm game
Makes you wonder how many videos are out there covering someone’s chair 🤔
Luetin, this was a very thought provoking video. Love it!
My take on the Golden Throne, in sci-fi terms we should all be familiar with, is that the throne is akin to the heart of a TARDIS.
It was supposed to allow instant access to all parts of the empire and allow the person sitting upon it to monitor the galaxy and open portals for, say, Space Marines to travel to enemy incursions without having to enter the Warp.
The problem was that it works too good. Instead of the throne monitoring all points of the galaxy in real time, it monitors it at all points in time too. Sitting upon the throne results in information overload as the person's mind exists at all points in time and space (possibly all other galaxies too).
This everywhere at once condition makes it impossible for the Emperor to heal or regenerate as he is stuck outside of linear time. He therefore needs to get replaced upon the throne to allow his rebirth, but in the past ten thousand years he has either been unable or unwilling to swap places with someone strong enough to handle the throne for however long he'd require them to - or, worse, realizes that such a transfer would have dire consequences for the empire.
That's a refreshingly new take. We think a lot about it's physical appearance and position but rarely about how it looks from a temporal perspective.
A lot of the descriptions of mortals sitting on the throne talk about them withering away. What if this actually extreme rapid aging?
When you dad takes WAYYYYYYYY too long on the toilet and there is a family emergency.
"Bad stuff happens in the throne room, by the Emperor it doesn't happen in a vacuum..." 🎶🍔
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Luetin you gem i literally just made a coffee after an afternoon catching up on boring work-related tasks and general life admin.
This feels like i got a reward for being a grownup 😂
Inquisitor: Martyr was my first true introduction to the world of 40k. Luetin has been key to my deeper understanding of the lore. These videos are as much a part of my love of 40k, as any of the official materials. Thanks for all you do, brother.
You are leading the charge in 40k lore. As your channel gets better and more (well deserved) recognition, it stands to show the die hard love we have for this world.
We thank you for all you do Luetin - thank you brother.
Your first two videos on the Emperor and the history of the Imperium were some of my very first introduction into 40k. You almost single handedly hooked me into the hobby. I really wish GW had guys like you deeply involved with crafting the lore. Good video, man.
Honestly there is no other channel that i get as excited about a new video for as the loremaster
Now, hear me out. The Emperor is Brutal, Malcador is Kunning.
E’s onto summin
I have been a Noble Chair customer for a few years, they are nice chairs not many have a 24hr sit rating and I’m thankful these do, makes me smile knowing you and I share in more than just 40k
Would absolutely love to see a video focused on Lorgar and the Word Bearers, I feel like theyre so slept on. Theres so much internal drama and ridiculous basckstabbing happening on Sicarus
It would be an incredible connection if the Eldar gods were immensely psychically powerful Eldar, who used similar thrones to wield, amplify, and project their power during the War in Heaven. And then afterwards, ascended to become purely psychic beings. Maybe similar to the Emperor’s plan?
That was a great in depth video. Thanks for that. Love your 40K lore. Was one of my first intros into the verse and can’t get enough 40K now.
I love the idea that the Emperor isn’t a decaying living corpse but is still very functional and is just using the Golden throne with all the scarifies and worship to make him something more then just a god.
Only got into 40k a year ago after stumbling across one of your lore videos, i've been hooked ever since. i can't play TTG due to hand inpairment but i enjoy the lore.
Also took up your advice and joined audible.. best thing i ever did.
Great Video as always.
I want you to know that your videos are so good that I stopped listening to The End and the Death Volume 3 to listen to your videos.
Always been fascinated by the throne. The idea it can aid in directly attacking chaos makes the most sense to me. Good work, Loremaster!
I mean, the Emperor and the Imperium using an immeasurably powerful device thats an aggregate of technology from the peak of several species and civilisations just as a door bolt fits with the Imperium and the setting pretty well.
Is there a way out for Big E? Yes. Is it so damned insanely difficult and unlikely that we'll never see it happen? Also yes.
Maybe the crusade was the Emperor hoping to find another throne (intact hopefully) so he can learn how to properly rebuild the one he had on Terra. I think he ultimately failed because his ambitions were too big, and that made any planning he had even more difficult.
I enjoy that you explain why you speculate about and make videos about the stuff you do. It gives the impression that you’re actually engaging with the lore from a critical perspective instead of just reading it out to us
Cup of tea, a warm bed and a new luetin vid about a beautiful horrible part of the imperium. This next hour is going to be well spent
Kind of weird listening to Luetin during the day. I'm so conditioned to listening to him at night as part of the Luetin sleep club I started to get sleepy haha.
would love a vid on the King in Yellow and all the stuff surrounding that
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It was one of the most confusing aspects of 40k to me. The emperor fought so long and hard, against godhood, even denegrating the word bearers for their refusal to accept this. Yet now he "knows" what the inquisition is and what they do and he did not tell Guilliman to outlaw and destroy them. I am sure i am either missing something, or that it is just plot armor, (i dont want the inquisition gone or anything) but i always found the whole thing confusing. This was a fascinating video as always Leutin! Great work sir!! I realy apreciate your fantastic work. You and Arch really got me hooked on 40k lore!
The emperor understands at this point the inquisition is so entrenched within human society it would cause massive upheavals if he were to dissolve it, and although the inquisition is f***d up they still serve the purpose of checks and balances to other powers and rooting out chaos etc etc
Guilliman knows that this would end the Imperium as a whole. As bad as "faith" and religion is viewed by him (Big E) and even Custodes, they know this is what holds the Imperium togehter. And id argue that this is why the Human species is somewhat functional past the Emperors direct influence on the physical World and its inhabitants the faith in him that he leads them even in "death". Also the inquisition was founded by Malcador, the Hero of Mankind. Put one and one together the massive civil wars, that the Imperium can not afford to fight. It spreads, yeah Chaos. But your thoughts on this are very valid and even make alot of sense in context of the overall discussion around this.
Well the inquisition isn’t doing anything The emperor hasn’t done.
They were actually partially created by the emperors main adviser.
Plus a lot of videos people make that mention the inquisition only mention the worst of them not the fact they do things to help save planets sectors of space etc. Like if the worst things the loyalist space marines did was the only thing we really heard about they’d sound worse then the inquisition
the inquisition, and the ecclesiarchy have massive power over the imperium,
and they have shaped the opinions and thinking over the course of millenia.
Even the Marine legions themself contain a lot of zealous people.
if Robot goes against the church,
he goes against everything the (modern) imperium stands for.
Even parts of his legion might turn against him.
also anything controversial he says would just be written up to xeno corruption. (due to the circumstances of his resurrection.)
and half his brothers are traitors already so people would be swift to put him into that corner.
@@MichaSennin great points, I was hoping someone would give an answer like this. Your point makes total sense, I didn't even think of the fact that Malcador started the Inquisition, and he as the Hero of mankind likely still holds an important place in the minds of many (at least those nobles who know history). I can't imagine telling the Death Korps of Kreig that the emperor was not a God for instance, even if it came from Guilliman himself. These are the kinds of 40k conversations I really enjoy having. Thanks for the reply. Gives me more to consider.
Oh my goodness, I really enjoy the specific humor that comes with deep lore, the bit at 20:18 about the custodes asking if the emperor wants a drink is so goddamn funny and so incredibly specific. I feel like I heard a great joke in some archaic language that only I and sixty five other 40K professors understand
Nice juicy subject matter, thanks Luetin! So, my take on this is that the golden throne is a metaphorical psychic hamster wheel hooked up to a turbo charged metaphorical power generator. So this allows you to turn your psychic energy into a kind of energy that you can use to power a whole bunch of useful machines, your ability to invent turbo charges psychic machinery is the limit.
I'd love to see a video covering what exactly the ecclesiarchy believes. I bet it's pretty convoluted. Wonderful content as always.
i like how everyone just takes it as a hard fact that Malcador 1- sat on the golden throne ,
and 2 - that doing so brought on his subsequent death . i mean him and the Emp, we'll they saw the cards fall, endless amount of times, and given how every one talks about how twisty both of them where ,
i could honestly see Malcador , wizard of OZing it for the last 10k years . I would even say this scenario is reasonable . Lets not forget , that Malcador was powerful enough to be able to potentially kill pre heresy Horus with his mind . Magus , couldn't do that , with all the power of the warp behind him , so is the death of Malcador , really reasonable ?
Thats a really good point tbh. It doesnt make a whole lot of sense that the Throne would body Malcador so easilly while Magnus would be able to presumably be able to use it indefinitely. Unless there is some sort of absolute limit. Like you can be really athletic, but if you cant swim you drown pretty quick, however even average athletes who can swim can do so for hours.
I was under the impression that the reason the Throne dusted Malcador is because it had been damaged when Magnus stuck his nose where it didn't belong, which is also the reason someone had to sit on it early at all. It being partially broken or malfunctioning could also contribute to why Big E can't heal.
idt it was ever actually canonically stated that the throne was damaged , just the wards of the palace blown open. though i think it 's a great explanation for how Malcador 's instant death could have happened , but given 2 possible options i think that malcador faking his death and the emperor using this incident to turn him self into a God more likely , rather than in a moment of panic both of them these smarter that smart immortals that could see into the future , that they would just sacrifice everything just to keep the lights on , esp when the imperium wasn't their 1st rebuilding humanity from the ashes , just their current best effort @@Ahrpigi
The Emperor cannot be allowed to die until the Emperor is reborn.
I believe you might be right in that the Golden Throne's original purpose when crafted by the Emp that it was a tunneling device, administrative communication device, and offensive against the warp device. It feels too good of a device not to have grand machinations than "Life Support storm door!"
Device!
Luetin is the friend I don't always get to talk to but cherish every conversation we have. Thank you old friend.
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Dunno if it's canon or just head-canon but I've always thought the golden throne was growing new, "artificial" and human created sections to graft into the already existing webway.
I've been under the assumption that was its original purpose, so you're not alone, though I hadn't considered that it might slowly be doing so still.
On my third run through of your videos. Love the emperor videos thanks my dude.
I am blown away by the richness of lore centered around the Golden Throne. This was an incredible video.
Thank you for another great video. The sleep club appriciates everything you do for everyone out there.
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Good night to all club members
I love the idea that it's an echo of the devices that the Old Ones used at the height of their powers!
The 'golden throne' was set up as the initiator and interface with the webway. So it was absolutely Eldar tech. It was designed to take in psy energy and use it to punch a hole into the webway and the stabilize a portal. Then it would probably require some psy maintenance.
It was then repurposed on the fly to take in psy energy and project it through the Emperor to create the astronomicon beacon. It also forms a psy plug into the human webway that is open to the warp, preventing demons from attacking Terra. Its like taking a movie projector and using it as a flashlight.
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@@tspoon772 horses for courses . Each to their own
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Belisarius Cawl created the Emperor's new physical body, powerful enough to contain and with the genetics of ALL 20 Primarchs. Alpha Primus😮
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amazing as always, tbh I wouldn't have thought there was enough about the Golden Throne to make a video about but once again you've done an amazing job
What if the Throne was given to Mankind by Tzeentch in the past as a "long game" strategy to take out the Emperor? He knew he couldn't defeat the Emperor outright, but what if you take him off the board via other means? "Just as planned"
There is also the disturbing fact that the Imperial Eagle has two heads, which happens to be the form of Tzeentch demons. It would actually be a good demonic joke if the Imperium was being manipulated by Tzeentch and only thought they were fighting against Chaos, but were actually helping it by creating conflict, despair, intrigue and pain.
Tzeentch loves Big E. All his plans, betraying, schemes, his ability to inspire change. Lets also not forget an aspect of Tzeentch is also hope. 40k humanity by its overall existence and nature are fueling Tzeentch like crazy. Big E himself is also the entire races literal symbol of hope. Then their symbols is the two eyed bird which is 100% tzeenchian. Instead of the two headed bird looking at the past and the future it shuts its eyes to the past and keeps its gaze on the future, also a symbolism of hope for a better tomorrow.
There's also a short story that has a Tzeentchian priest that essentially says Tzeentch has always admired Big E.
If it was a long game pof Tzeentch it wasn't to "take out" Big E as much as it was to to get humanity to where they are now which as I said basically fuels him by there very concept of existence more then any other god.
@filteredjc4653 "He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods." Since hearing that quote and learning about the lore, I believe that was the endgame of chaos all along, to force the Emperor, and therefore humanity, into the decaying state they exist now.
What a fantastic video, and such a key part of what the past, present and future of the 40k timeline revolves around.
Luetin gets a new chair. Release video on a chair...
I don’t believe in coincidence
Perhaps the Starchild is the shard of the Emperor, the one he cut off just before he battled Horus, and perhaps if they are rejoined the Emperor might then become whole yet again, perhaps also needing some extra help like Guilliman ? Maybe he just needs to be whole to be able to heal himself right, perhaps also by consuming yet more psykers ?
..... 2nd watch :) 3rd. actually its 4 🤣
If the throne is such a painful drain for the Emperor, how did he expect Magnus to cope? Father of the year.
I was listening to the third dark origins video I think it was, And I had an idea relating to the idea of a unified time system for the imperium. What about quantum entanglement? The concept is already made use of by the necron and since our current tech in the year 2000 is capeable of basic quantum computing building a simble quantum transmission device able to transmit the tiny amount of data that would be required for time keeping would not be a challenge… the ony caveat is I’m not sure how it would interact with warp travel. But it’s an interesting idea. Keep up the awesome videos
The music at the end is really incredible, if i can know what is will be amazing...
Finish breakfast, grab phone, see a notification from Luetin; now I can carry the emperor's will as my torch.
Basically Emperor now knows everything. Nobody mentioned that. Because Throne gives him knowledge just like you said.
Magnus rebuilds the emperor's webway project, uses it to return to Terra, after finding a way to resurrect the rubrica and the emperor too. Proceeds to resurrect the emperor, throw off the control of Tzeeztch and his mutations, then takes over on the golden throne and finally forful his destiny that was required by his father. Magnus upon the golden throne? Thoughts?
Yes!!! ❤
Exactly what I was thinking. Make it so.
And it's all part of Tzeeztchs great plan ...
But we know one of the main things the Throne does: it "moved" the boundaries of the Webway in synch with the movement of the warp. The way it's described in Master of Mankind it flexes the walls of the Webway to keep the warp out of it. Because the human Webway was not made by someone who knew what they were doing, it couldn't ebb and flow like the rest naturally of it. So he had to do it psychically.
I love the idea of a Custodes going "wazzat a yes sire?"
Adeptus Mechanicus IT Hotline: “The throne is not working right? Have you tried turning it off and on?”
This has been one of my recent favorites. Great info and greater speculation.
Yes yes yes yes. A VERY interesting topic!
Thanks for always expanding my knowledge of the 40k universe. It’s so damn interesting
Magnus is the best option to replace the emepror on the throne.
The Emperor planned him to become the beacon that would guide humanity across the darkness of space.
Perhaps this would play out in some later story
When I was younger and first heard of 40K and the ‘golden throne’ I couldn’t help but think a writer ran out ideas and came up with the concept while sitting on a toilet in no a fancy public bathroom. 😂
I would love to see the Emperor sacrifice earth in the final hour of the Tyranid consuming the galaxy with somehow enough power to destroy them, only to realize when he’s done that he’s the Emperor of a dead universe as its sole being.
That soul shard of empathy, love, and joy he sent away I think ended up in imperium Nihilius, bringing the Lion back. But as the enthroned emperor called Guilliman his LAST son/weapon/thing , I think he is unaware of the Lion and the shard on the other side of the rift, that he is cut off from the rest of him still on the Golden Throne. When Guilliman - wielding the emperor's SWORD - reunites with the Lion - wielding the emperor's SHIELD - so too shall the enthroned emperor meet his last shard. What a consequential moment THAT will be. Will he destroy it, will he reunite with it and stand up anew?
I'd love 2 what if scenario stories 1 where humanity somehow truly starts recovering and actually has a great outcome and 1 where shit hits the fan harder and falls apart completely
In my own head canon, the golden throne not only uses the life essence and psychic powers of human psykers to sustain the emperor, but it is also a weapon. I thought of this while I was listening to the Black Legion series because it describes the light of the astronomicon as a blazing fire that all the warp creatures avoided. So I thought that powers the astronomicon, the emperor and those psykers that sustain him. So what if the golden throne was a last ditch effort to unless a psychic attack on the warp itself, like using explosives to put out a forest fire. In enters the device vulkan created that fits into the golden throne and the terminus decree on titan.
I have been trying to learn some of the lore of 40k and it's a mind bender for those of us coming in at random angles. It's a very interesting story and I can understand the attraction to the series (Table top or Online games) I am just a regular gamer, mostly MMo's j/rpgs. Nothing ever so deep as this, and this is very addictive. Thank you for these videos, making it easier for noobs like myself to learn :)
Ever since reading Prospero Burns, I’ve had the thought of you look at the Golden Throne and Magnus and his Thousand Sons, the coincidence that he would sit the throne and the thousand coffins to power it could be for his sons.
Thought about Mag on the throne, his warp blindness to chaos may have been intentional so that when he took the throne he wouldn't have given them anything.
Thank you for all the great content over the years and may the Emperor protect from the algorithm!
I like the short story "Lacrymata". Where the shining beacon of the astanomicon reaches out and saves the navigator from the psychic taint of the astropath.
My theory is the Emperor has left his body on the throne and is off in the Web way. When Magnus used the Web way to warn the Emperor of Horus, he left his body in a cave and was guarded in order for his return. The throne has been updated with Eldar parts after ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN returned and embarked on the Indomitus Crusade
I think you can answer a lot of the questions posed about the emperor towards the end of the video with " Because he's a megalomaniacal dictator who fully believes everything he does is justified or will be justified by the eventual result"
Great video.. My current headcanon is that the Golden Throne is tech left over from the Old Ones. It was probably originally used to build the original Webway and is essentially a psychic 'STC-style' system. Allowing for the control and creation of devices/objects using warp energy...with the Webway just being one of its creations.
What a blessing it is to be alive and witness the truthful meaning of insanity.
The Emperor is partially based on Leto Atreides and the 40K universe is loosely based on the Dune universe. GW asks of the Dune universe, what if Leto never took the Golden Path because he was stopped from attaining it? 40K is what happens.
00:31:30 It occured that the matter ball that sucked in Astartes in that mvp series was a black glass origin. Latter, it would only make sense the Emperor was a member of Throne project during dark ages. Impossible for him to miss out on this one. Ty
Neither Malcador the Hero nor Big E himself have ever struck me as being reckless enough to take on a task as massive as shaping the future of mankind, without putting considerable thought to how to get themselves out of untenable situations.
So I suspect The Emperor and Malcador had a semblance of a back up plan for just such an event as the death of the Sigilite and the fall of the Emperor at the hands of Horus.
My theory is the Star Child will return to Terra after a time and rejoin with the Emperor, giving him enough power to sever his connection to the Golden Throne.
However, there is the issue of a replacement. Who else could sit the Throne and survive?
Magnus redeemed maybe
Uuh. Exactly what I wanted to see. My head cannon is that Luetin saw me propose the topic previously ❤
There is a star child theory that a shard of the emperors soul with the feelings for humanity will occupy a body
The Dark Glass still sounds like Old One inventions to me, but Trazyn's overtly speculated a couple times that the Golden Throne is either Necron-tech or based on Necron-tech. That would explain a lot.
I think it's obvious, the way He will eventually leave the Throne is by slapping his hands onto his knees and saying: "... Right then!" before standing up.
The emperor knowing a lot about the chaos, the webway, and wanting to transport humanity there so it would starve them. He would have to know how chaos gods are created or at the very least how Slaanesh was created through the Eldar. It would explain his resistance to being worshipped like that, knowing what it would do and the throne keeps that from happening and him on this plain like an anchor.
I think the authors of the setting have worked hard enough to intimate that whatever the Necrons can do with blackstone, it's quite a bit more complicated than rolling around with a piece of mineral and tuning it to the right frequencies xD
The Emperor is the most powerful being as a result of the throne. It is referenced multiple times that the chaos gods basically cower before him. I would bargain that it is because he is believed to be a god by humanity but is also anchored to the physical realm by the throne. This enables him to act in the physical while the gods need to possess someone to act as their anchor. Using a person as an anchor burns them out while the throne is eternal.
I think if a Sororita were to witness the rite of the Golden Throne, she'd be shook. She's human after all. She'd likely say it's a necessary thing, and that the Emperor will have reasons beyond her understanding.
In essence, the horrors the Emperor is fighting must be greater than the horrors he inflicts upon his own.
It would be nice to know the emperor's plan eventually. Though i doubt we will ever know what it is/was.
the golden throne looks like necron monolith with some cables