Atomic/Salomon Shift Binding Review: How To Use and How To Overcome Difficulties When Using Them
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Atomic/Salomon Shift binding Review: How to use and how to overcome difficulties when using them
The SHIFT binding ushers in the next generation of freeride capability, blending the touring efficiency of a pin (low-tech) binding, with the performance of an alpine freeride binding. It has the best of both worlds.
In this video, International Ski Teacher and Mountain Leader Jocelyn Cockle (Floss) explains and illustrates you how to use the shift binding and how to overcome any difficulties that you may have when using them on the mountain.
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Thanks for watching you might also like essential avalanche gear ruclips.net/video/xnoo9tE-oUU/видео.html 😁
i realize I am pretty randomly asking but does anybody know a good place to stream new tv shows online ?
@Malakai Jad flixportal :D
@Dalton Kyrie Thanks, I went there and it seems to work =) I appreciate it !
@Malakai Jad you are welcome =)
I've watched it before my first session with them this morning, big thanks the best explanation that I found!
Thanks for your comment
I've encountered similar issues with snow blockage in mechanisms when going from Touring mode to Alpine mode, as you have alluded to, very important to clear all snow away from mechanisms when making that transition thus ensuring the toe piece locked in properly. (second click). So far, I really like the binding, as I use quite regularly for resort skiing when big powder days occur, as these bindings are mounted on Black Crow - Atris.
Thank you for your comment!! We both like the binding! They are a great alpine binding! You can have best worlds on them 😁
Hi Floss, I'm just going to check (on my living room floor) that I have been using my Shift binding correctly. Thanks, NevSki.
Thanks for your comment Nev Ski ⛷
A few weeks ago I went with my wife to Stowe after the resort was closed. I knew the snow was going to be really soft and wet. But I wanted to try a new pair of boots I didn’t have the opportunity to use. My wife was using her resort skis with Shift bindings instead of her touring set up with G3 Ion. I have to say as good as the shift is for downhill the binding is a pain in the neck and definitely has some shortcomings. First, the break on one ski briefly locked and unlocked after a few hundred feet. I couldn’t clear the snow without a good tool and the ski pole was not that great for the job. After struggling for a while we started up again. The second ski did the same thing… Second, positioning the tech inserts into the toe piece is not nearly as easy as with a true tech binding like a G3 ion or a Salomon MTN. Third, I have toured with my G3 many times and I have not had to lock the top in up or down mode and they have released properly on the down when needed. With the shift my wife had to lock the toe after the first turn. Fourth, we often skin up on a steep resort run before the lifts run and the lack of a slightly higher riser is certainly noticeable. Fifth, I have not had anything break unlike a friend of mine. It took him a while to have the binding repaired. Too many light weight plastic parts in my opinion.
I love your videos. Keep producing them. Perhaps I will set up a couple days in France next winter. I go there 2-3 times per winter.
Will do my best to keep producing the videos! I have just come back from Norway 👉BEST First Day Ski Touring in Norway | Varden, Lofoten | Day 1 (Outakes At End)
ruclips.net/video/qIgH9WHVRik/видео.html I had this massive crash 💥 and my mtn tech bindings didn’t release .. I have little and no confidence in bindings at the moment! Will make a video on that to when I get the chance.
Best description of how these bindings work. Thanks
Thanks for your message! Are you using these bindings?
God honest review. I used them last week and loved them. Pros and Cons are spot on. These bindings transformed my Legend skis into ski touring capable skis. Ok not that lightest set-up but really a great multipurpose set-up.
Great 👍 Enjoy the mountains
Dukie shifted into 6th gear when he got a treat. They look awesome Flo, would luv to try them.
I have these, they are great for a clumsy skier like me. Though the bindings are 1.7 kg, they're actually lighter than my old frame bindings.
The only issue I had is when someone way above me on an uphill Scottish traverse slipped and crashed into me. The lever in the front got pushed down, and my ski came off, I managed to grab it before it went down the hill. No brakes in uphill mode.
It's my only criticism, it is easy to knock the lever down.
Now uphill I now leash them, just in case.
Thanks for sharing :)
There is a recommended minimum IQ for ski touring ....
Many thanks for your explanation and the demo, it's very clear
Thanks for your comment ...😁
perfect. just what i was looking for with my set of shifts.
Great! I am glad you enjoyed the video. Enjoy the shifts... There are more videos to come. If there is a particular video that you would like to see then just let me know..Floss
Everything is on point about the shift. However, the weight of your boot 4 buckle overlap with the surefoot foam liner with boot heaters can be replaced with the much lighter Roxa R3w TIi 115 for women and Roxa R3 130 Ti for men.
Great binding (+video) Tip for those new to them, avoid clearing snow from your boot on the front binding or you can kick it into walk mode.
Thanks for you comment Adi 🙏
Damn.. that''s how I didnit with my Merkers.. just got the shift but have not tried them yet. Tgeybseem very weak and breakable compaired tp the heavy and robust Markers.. hope they will last.
Dukie doesn't look too fussed by the Shift but glad you are having fun on yours xx
How many Dukes would it take to pull you up the hill ?
Thank you for this amazing video! Just got mine last week. +10 for the content, +20 for the adorable pup! Subcribed :)
Thank you so much for subscribing and watching 😀
The same happend to me at the midle Of the mountain !
Thank you for your help.
My Salomon frozen and i cant come Back to Alpine mode until defrost the ice. But next time i will do the movements that you teach us at the video.
Great I am glad that the video helped!
Love seeing your dog skiing with you! What is your dog’s name? ❤️
Dukie... he is in my latest video too ruclips.net/video/tc5Ije7hcAI/видео.html
this is the best guide video on youtube for these bindings! thank you i was wondering why i kept falling out of the pins
Thanks for saying thank you
@@FreeFloFloss just went on my longest hike on them yet! ~22km over two days of fresh powder. these are amazing!!
@@Oliver-Kirsch I have had my first big problem in them.. the jaw of the binding froze up and I couldn`t go uphill...I am going to write to Salomon.
@@FreeFloFloss Heard back from Solomon? Is this less of a possible issue with other bindings?
@@tom-andrethomsen I haven`t heard back from Salomon yet. I will persist. Honestly, other pin bindings have issues too..
I just had the experience (my wife was using the shift) in slushy,wet snow and I must say I was not impressed compared to my Atomic tour tech I was using on the same day. I had a heck of a time getting rid of the snow (without a opinel!) so the breaks would “stay” locked. My wife was using the shift for the first time and she had a hard time getting her inserts lined up in the toe clamp. And you are absolutely right about having to LOCK the toe on the uphill. We never had to do that with our G3 or Atomic tech bindings. The shift is nifty for sure but It is more a light, full of plastic parts downhill binding than a solid reliable touring piece of equipment.
Thanks Colin for your message. The shift binding takes some getting use to. It has its faults. But trust me it releases when it has to on a fall. My tech bindings have never released..
P.S: I also had the G3 tech bindings and they broke in Patagonia !!
Email address to continue this conversation?
@@colinress info@freefloski.com
Friend has a pair, he constantly gets pre-release. Even had a shops adjust it as per specs from Salomon...still pre-releases.
Thanks for your comment. i have just done second video on the shift binding 👉ruclips.net/video/QYUcyuJVhfM/видео.htmlsi=GWaqnKCjAF7nwmfr
Thank you for an honest review!
It`s a pleasure, if you have any questions just let me know. Watch out on the channel for a new video coming on the shift bindings - as I had a fault with them
just bought the shifts. great product!
Great I am glad you like them! The skiing down on them are so good 👍
Excellent real world review. Thank you!
Thank you for saying thank you. Is there anything else you would like to see a review or a video that you would like me to make on a particular subject?
Wonderful, straightforward review--I've really been enjoying mine so far and am going to keep your tips in mind next time out
Thanks for your comment as it really helps the channel 😁
Really useful Floss. Seem like the ones to try!
I think it's a good balance especially when the lifts are open 😁
Great ski set up I have the same in 177cm
I am looking forward to getting on them again! What are your plans for the winter?
My ski resort is currently on fire in Tahoe CA so who knows probably hiking a lot. If your in the area message me.
Great video. What a dreamy life. Can I ask how you feel about the 47mm of lateral travel? This is not something I’m clued up on. I’m worried in aggressive downhill it might make them less precise?
Hi Tom, thanks for watching and thanks for your comment. Honestly, I haven`t had any problems with the travel and I think it's a good thing to have for safety wise. The problems that I have had with the binding are other things like the brake frozen or the jaw has frozen and I haven`t been able to go uphill. I am going to do a video soon about this.. so much sure you subscribe and press the notification bell so you don`t miss it. I hope this answers your question. Floss 😁
@@FreeFloFlossThanks for your reply. Although you are lovely, I think your co-host deserves an introduction!
😁😁😁 dukie dog .. I will try and get him in the next video, sadly he is getting old
@@tompiperson4793 Hi Tom! I filmed and edited the news shift binding 🎥 film it’s publishing this Sunday 7pm
@@FreeFloFlossI swear to god not even 2 hours ago I was trying to Google the difference with the new version but to no avail. Thanks, I look forward to it. I have 2 pairs of super guides looking naked due to my decision paralysis
Love your dog! I have the Marker Kingpin which is similar. Question...when touring do you rely on just the binding break or do you also use a leash?
Hi Simon, on my MTN tech bindings I have a leash. On everything else I have a brake. It makes the binding super light but the problem ⚠️ is that you have more chance of losing a ski on top of the summit or col. So you have to be super careful 😁..
Very helpful video. I have had some shift bindings for a couple of seasons. The only issue I have had with them is the inability to pull up the lever on the front in walk mode. I sent them back to Salamon to be mended/adjusted but the problem still exists. I'm wondering whether the source of the problem is the width of my boot (Scarpa Matrix). Perhaps, these boots are less suitable for these bindings. Have you heard of similar experiences? BTW, it was nice to meet you near Le Clou the other day.
Hi Sam! Great to meet you too. I think a lot of people have difficulty pulling up the toe piece. I find if you use your finger in the hook and pull towards you it really helps. 😁 Thanks for watching
I'm hier because of the shift binding. Buy so glad to see someone also take dog to skiing tour. One question not about the binding, but about the paws.
I usually take my golden retriever also with me to touring. But after some hours she will stop and begin to lick the paws. Because there is a lot of snow/ice in the paw between the pads.
Do you meet the same problem, or have a suggestion for that?
Xi and Wali
Hi Xi and Wali, thanks for your message. When I can I try and tour on soft snow and easier steepness. I have met the same problem as you in the past. I often find putting vaseline on the paws helps. I have never tried the boots as I know my dog would try and get them off, but some dog owners say it works. I have this video: ski touring with your dog 👉 ruclips.net/video/3sVjg7qyIPY/видео.html I hope this helps, Floss 😁
@@FreeFloFloss thx for the reply. We will try the Vaseline first.
Best regards!
@@bencx1986 Please can you let me know if there is a particular video that you would like to see 😁 Thanks
@@FreeFloFloss finally, have time to check the video about taking paws to touring. It's really great. I will first take look of your other videos! And let you know any feedback.
@@bencx1986 Thank you feedback is always gratefully received. I am always trying to make videos with the viewers in mind.
I just bought the Solomon version and skied on them for the first time 2 days ago. Way lighter than the Marker Baron bindings I had, but I have a hard time getting the pins and my boot in the right position to get them to engage. Any suggestions like lifting your heel or not lifting your heel as you demonstrated?
Hi Warren, well done for buying. The bindings will ease up slightly as you use them more. Make sure that your pinholes and binding around the toe piece are clear of snow and ice first before trying to put your ski boot in. Also what helps is if you can make a flat area in the snow (by bashing down the snow with your skis on) so that the skis are level and on flat terrain that will help. Does that make sense? I hope that helps
@@FreeFloFloss Thanks. I'll be trying them again in a few days.
I've skied traditional alpine my whole life but eventually want to be able to skin up and ski down. What is the type of boot called that has the pinholes that allows skinning uphill but also allows traditional alpine skiing down?
Hi James, thanks for your message and subscribing. It's a hybrid or touring boot that will have the pin holes. More importantly make sure the boot is the right shape to fit your foot then you can go from there. I also have the Atomic XTD Hawk they are a freeride boot with pin holes and are light and have performance. Boots will vary in walking flex and weight. I hope this helps you. Thanks, have a good day. Floss 😁
Are there any noticeable differences in performance between the Shift binding and a regular alpine binding when skiing on piste?
Hi Isaac, thank you for your comment. In my opinion there is no difference! I have been pleased with the performance. Are you thinking of buying them?
Unfortunately, I have to contradict you. It seems to be very user dependent, but for some people the Shifts are downright dangerous. I have had them since they came out, 4 seasons now, and they have been one of the worst pieces of gear I have ever owned! The AFD is finicky and prone to dropping even when properly adjusted as per Salomon's instructions. I have had multiple heel pre-releases that I have never encountered with any other alpine binding.
This had caused bruised ribs, sent me cartwheeling towards a tree when skiing a steep pillow line, and left me searching for my skis in deep snow when I would much rather be skiing. I consider myself lucky to have not experienced more serious consequences from running them, but I have almost no trust left in them and can't wait to see the back of them.
They seem to be a very night and day product, many people have good experiences on them, but the bad experiences tend to be really bad. For context I am 191 cm, 90 kg and ski quite aggressively. I run the DIN on the heels at 12.5, but previous to this binding I have never needed to run a DIN higher than 11.
If you want more info check out this thread on TGR: www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/316198-The-Official-Salomon-S-Lab-SHIFT-MNC-Thread-AMA/page124
It's huge, but looking around on from page 121 onwards will give you a food idea of the troubles that some people encounter with the Shifts.
I appreciate you sharing info on this binding, but I am going to offer an important counterpoint for anyone who is a heavier and more aggressive skier and is considering this binding. I will also add that these issues have been brought to Salomon's attention by myself and numerous other people and they have refused to properly address them or offer any solution. The short version is that in some situations the Shift can be a very dangerous product and I don't recommend buying them. The longer version is below:
It seems to be very user dependent, but for some people the Shifts are downright dangerous. I have had them since they came out, 4 seasons now, and they have been one of the worst pieces of gear I have ever owned! The AFD is finicky and prone to dropping even when properly adjusted as per Salomon's instructions. I have also had multiple heel pre-releases that I have never encountered with any other alpine binding.
This had caused bruised ribs, sent me cartwheeling towards a tree when skiing a steep pillow line, and left me searching for my skis in deep snow when I would much rather be skiing. I consider myself lucky to have not experienced more serious consequences from running them, but I have almost no trust left in them and can't wait to see the back of them.
They seem to be a very night and day product, many people have good experiences on them, but the bad experiences tend to be really bad. For context I am 191 cm, 90 kg and ski quite aggressively. I run the DIN on the heels at 12.5, but previous to this binding I have never needed to run a DIN higher than 11.
If you want more info check out this thread on TGR: www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/316198-The-Official-Salomon-S-Lab-SHIFT-MNC-Thread-AMA/page124
It's huge, but looking around on from page 121 onwards will give you a good idea of the troubles that some people encounter with the Shifts.
Ski Dukie 😍
He is the best! Last winter was his best winter yet 😁
Hi Floss! I'm wondering if you have any experience with the Dynafit Rotation binding? I'm trying to decide between that and the Shift, or perhaps something else. The Rotation is a little lighter and has a 3rd level for steeper terrain. From reading reviews, it sounds like there is some difficulty centering the boot to get locked in, but the Shift also has it's issues. I'm concerned if I'm in deeper snow trying to transition that I'm going to run into problems. My current AT binding is the Salomon Guardian which is heavy but solid for downhill and easy to use. I have the Shift boot already. I'm looking forward to something lighter but also user friendly and won't give me problems in the backcountry! I also ski tour with my pooch ; )
Hi Whitney, thanks for subcribing to the channel and your message.
So here we go!! So my friend has the rotation bindings. They are lighter than the shifts that's what she likes about them but she thinks the shifts ski better. Like every pin toe piece binding there is always some difficulty in getting in them and transitioning. What the shifts have is an alpine heel so in my opinion they are more safer and they ski better. They also have elasticity of 9mm that absorbs more shock vibration so it's a smoother ride down. I couldn't find the rating on the dynafit ones. However the shifts are heavier and they don’t have an extra riser. I think it all depends on how much touring you are going to do and how you ski? If you ski aggressive or fast. I hope this helps.
Just a quick question my side. Is there a particular video that you would like to see? Thanks 😁
I've been using the Salomon Shift bindings for a few weeks now. In walk mode, I can't get the lever to pull and lock upright; it almost immediately clicks back down. Is this a faulty binding or is it me?
Hi, no, when they are new its harder to do! Just make sure there is no snow on around the binding and that your pin holes are clear too! Then use your finger in the hole to hook back!
@@FreeFloFloss Thank you! I actually tried pulling up on them really hard and it came up finally!! Hope they loosen up soon! Thanks for such a quick response!!
Your welcome and if there is anything else I can help you with skiing related just let me know 😁
Hi Dorothy, I have the exact same issue. The lever won't stay in the fully locked position even though bindings arent new anymore and when there isn't ice around. Warranty claim pending
Does the alpine mode of this allow for the performance level of inbound skiing? I currently have kingpin 13 and they feel less reliable when doing big mountain skiing. I like big jumps and going fast. Will these bindings allow that performance? I also teach my local all Mountain program.
Hi Jesse, I feel that these bindings are good for big all mountain skiing and performance. However, I never do big big jumps in them so I wouldn’t know. Where do you teach?
@@FreeFloFloss Park City, UT, USA
And that's fair, since the toe is more locked in place it does seem to be a lot more stable at more aggressive skiing. The skis I want to put them on are 112 underfoot, does this binding support that size break?
@@jesseeng9598 You have to order with a bigger break. I think there is 110mm and 128mm. Look into this season ❄️ products
I would recommend that you stay away from them for this type of skiing. If you want more detail look at the comment I left previously on this video.
@@davidwolinetz7864 what kind of touring binding would you recommend for this type of skiing? I feel like the massive weight of the Solomon bindings are absolute max of what I want to be lugging up the mountain. Broke my 2011 G3 bindings, two days ago. Wear and tear. Looking to buy new bindings, before my speed riding course starts next weekend
How would you say these hold up to the abuse of hard freeriding? Thanks in advance.
Hi Corey, thanks for your message. As long as the bindings are set right and you are in the binding correctly I haven't had any problems skiing steeps and variable terrain. I am on a stiff ski and with the shift bindings I can cut through everything. They have 9mm elasticity at the heel so they absorb which is what I like. I hope this helps. Floss 😁 P.S: Just Wow the north faces over here in the Tarentaise Valley has got such good snow... I skiied a great line in less arcs today but I had to ski tour up 1200m to get it.
What do you think about the brakes? A lot of other reviews have criticised them for flipping down whilst in touring mode, or catching due to the amount they stick out.
Hi there thanks for your message. In the two-season I have been using them I haven`t had any problems with the brakes. However, I have had some clients that the brakes have flipped down quite often. But I think that is due to ice around them and also that they haven't clicked them down probably. I hope this helps. Are you thinking of purchasing the shift bindings?
@@FreeFloFloss - Yes, after many seasons on heavyweight Marker Baron touring bindings, I want something lighter, that doesn’t involve me lifting the whole binding on every uphill step from a v.forward pivot, but avoids the use of inelastic pin bindings on the way down. Hybrid bindings are the ideal inbetween for me.
But I’ve been v.much torn between the Shifts & the Duke PTs. I’m leaning more towards the former, altho’ early reliability concerns (about the brakes & icing up of the changeover mech in the toe piece) have made me wonder if the heavier & more fiddly PTs might be the sensible choice. You’ve at least partly reassured me!
@@Benzknees Thats what I have been on. So now I have a mid weight hybrid touring setup with the shifts. I also have a lighter tech pin binding for mega days like yesterday when we toured 7hrs uphill to reach a summit of 3474m La Grande Sassiere 😁
@@FreeFloFloss - Wow, the most I’ve ever toured uphill was two consecutive day of 2.5 - 3hrs each in Passo Tonale a couple of years ago. But my ankles prefer a lot less! The discovery that Compeed did an anti-abrasion stick has helped though.
Doing 7hrs is off the scale🤯. Even with lightweight pin tech & good touring boots, your feet must have been in pieces. Was that more or less continuous uphill (barring refreshment stops)? Is that the peak overlooking Val d’Isere? Presumably accessed from Le Fornet or Pont St.Charles areas? Lucky to have enough snow at this time of year.
@@Benzknees I think because the lifts haven't been open my feet have been getting use to the up hill. Wearing the same type of sock helps. Also when you get a tight spot (rubbing) tapping it up helps. Yes your right its the massive pointy peak that you can see from Val Disere or Tignes. I have been wanting to climb it and ski down it since I arrived in this valley in 2014!! A small positive out of covid.
what brand is your dogs harness? looks nice!
Hi, it's not a harness it's a dogs jacket. My dog dukie he is wearing an animate windproof, waterproof and warm jacket. It such a good jacket and has saved his life. One day he got spooked and ran away when I was ski touring. He stayed overnight in -12 on the mountain and I found him the next day. What a relief! 😁I don’t think he would of survived if it wasn't for the jacket.
A much more informative video than the actual Solomon video. However in several of the transitions she blocks the video with her glove. Also, knock some snow off the ski and binding area so we can see a little better about what you’re working on because the parts on the binding are white, and so is the snow. Take a little more time to set up the video, and it’ll be even more informative. Thank you!
I am a beginner at all this! Still learningv