MSI B450M-A Pro MAX VRM Tested with the Ryzen 1600 AF and 3950X
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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I am professional PC technician for more then 24 years. and I can attest that this material is of a great quality. Taking to account that this is RUclips with a lot of crap. This is exceptional. Thank you a lot man. I wonder if there more channels like yours?
Thanks a lot! You can take a look at GamersNexus if you didn't already, they do pretty in depth tests
Really great review. Very little reviewers take the time to do so much. You saved me a lot of time, headache and money. Cheers!
Glad you found it interesting 👍
Delivered fast as promised! It's good to see that MSI VRMs can handle overclock with 1600 AF without any issue. I'm glad I ordered a MSI B450M PRO-VDH PLUS after taking some advice from you.
Emre Macit happy to help 🙂
I am running a 3600 with this board and it works great. Boosts to 4,2 ghz all core no problem and can stay there forever without throttling ever. You only need to make sure that you have high amounts of airflow, for example a mesh case (e.g. NR600) with 2 or 3 case fans, since that will pull down temps by a lot, especially with a mATX board like this, where the components are so cramped together. I would recommend this board for budget builds that don't want to upgrade much in the future
PS: I bought the board because of your review, so thanks a lot for this vid!
Did you buy a cpu cooler?
Yes, how important it is to enter the BIOS everytime! ;) Also, I did not know Ryzen Master could be used to limit the CPU power in that way.
Alvaro espiño da silva we all need to check the bios frequently, it’s an anti stress procedure 😂
Excellent video. I am considering buying a PC with this motherboard and then upgrading the CPU to a 5000 series CPU. As the 5800x is only £0 more than the 5600x in my region I was also concerned about the vrm. Based on your benchmarking I may comprimise with the 5700x as it only has a 65w tdp compared to the 105w of the 5800x.
thanks for putting that nekid, b450m through another torture test.
love the new summon fire 🔥 spell too
Cheers
Awesome video once again, I feel like all your guides are so detailed and helpful. Keep it up
Your videos are really unique, keep up the great work!
It would be interesting to see how the board will perform if you zip tie a small fan over the vrm together with the liquid cooler.
kitmanevo That’s a nice idea for another video, I may also use liquid nitrogen 😁
I have this board currently with a R5 1600 AF at 4ghz overclock and don't experience any thermal throttling at all, which is to be expected as per your video, though I do also have a 60mm fan resting on top of my CPU cooler pointed towards the VRM's as I also sensed they could well be a limiting factor with OC/high core count CPU, I plan to upgrade to 3800 after Ryzen 4000 series and will monitor how they hold up at that point before deciding whether to upgrade or not
Haha, awesome thumbnail XD
love your vids man thanks
Thank you very much, good luck with YT
In your opinion, these type of boards can handle a Octa Core?
Its a nice video indeed, sadly you dont more boards to test right?
It will be awesome to you checking Tomahawk, Gaming Plus, Pro Carbon and etc against r9 3950X
Thanks for the video!!
Enio Apolinario This board can handle the 3700X for sure, since up to 85W it works perfectly. I can test other boards that I have here but since I’ve already done the Tomahawk and the Taichi there aren’t much left, testing the Crossairs is pointless since they are monsters. Maybe I will try to find a budget X570
Great video! As a computer technician as well, I also think the safest and best processor for the B450M-A Pro Max is the 3700X, although the bios that comes with the board overvolts it by mistake, I fixed the Vcore and SOC manually with stable 4Ghz all cores and got 10280 on 3DMark processor points. It is pulling nearly 110W in stress tests and around 85W usage average(the CPU). So the AMD TDP reference is just symbolic.
Hola bro u got any social media??
I just got this mobo and the 3700x, thanks for The info, I was worried it wouldn't work well, have a nice lifetime
@@abouddeuce6832 @bentoyolo
Sir can i ask you how good is ryzen 5 3400g with this board?
I have r5 2600 and this motherboard, you think i can overclock with a better air cooler without vrm issues? Currently at 1.2V and 3.83Ghz
Yes, the 2600 isn’t demanding for this VRMs
@@HardwareNumb3rs Thanks very much!!!
That was most helpful... Can you please test an APU with the same mobo? ex: 3200G or 3400G? to check the limits of SOC?
Is this the 2 ram slot version?
You buy a kit of those tiny heat spreaders that you can put on the vrms
Im planning to buy this motherboard with ryzen 5 3400g and overclock it. Will it be ok or I just need to get more expensive one?
This motherboard will do perfectly 👌
Very nice video. What do you think about using water cooler and a fan facing the VRAMs?
Hi man good content . I got tye same mother with ryzen r5 3600 would i have some problem with it . Should I use some heatsink on vrm or something thnx i'm really wainting for this video and i hope it's gonna be soon have a nice day +Hardware Numb3rs
Will the A320M-A Pro Max operate the same with your adjustments ? Is the 450 required or will the 320 chipset function the same with your overclock adjustments ? Please answer, I need to buy the motherboard today.
I haven't upgraded the bios, which version do you suggest you put or don't need? does it have any improvement? or put what came out recently? I have never upgraded it
Very informative video.
So which chipset or board you recommended for ryzen 9 cpu? Is x370 included? Thx.
Hello. Great video. Do you have any idea if the vrm is the same in MSI B450M PRO-M2 MAX? Do I have to expect the same results with that mobo?
Hi, can you let us know what OC Settings did you used for 1600? You used just Ryzen Master or any other settings via BIOS ?
Is very easy, check one of my latest video where I test the 1600 AF, you can find everything there in detail
@@HardwareNumb3rs One more thing If you are able to help me. on my b450 aorus pro I can't set the voltages, I just need to use offset. Any ideea what offset should I use for 4.0Ghz. very good aIO cooler
If you had to choose between MSI B450M-A PRO MAX vs ASROCK B450M Pro4-F R2.0, which would you choose? Thanks!
Bit late answer, but no question, i'd go for the Asrock. This MSI has no vrm cooling at all, while Asrock have a decent one.
hi man! i know about you from Hwbot.org, thx for the intresting videos :) new Ln2 streams when?)
Hey! Hope to be able to do it soon, next week for sure!
Wonder if you put that Motherboard in a Case that you could Put your Top and Rear case fans as Intake to Cool the VRM and set the Front Fans as Exhaust??
Also TBH MSI lists the 3950x as Compatible with this Motherboard, it should work fine at Stock settings, but I don't think they Thought anyone would use That Board for Blender! LOL!
I tried to blow some air but it didn't change the result, maybe with an aftermarket heatsink it will probalby hold more, I will try something in the next weeks :D
yes please with after market heat sinks
It would be fun to know how well this board could handle 6 or 8 cores at 65w TDP
jim builder up to 85W tdp is fine, I will try with active cooling and some heat sink to see if we can go past that 🙂
My 3400g thermal throttles after 5 minutes of gaming on this motherboard, I'm not overclocking, everything is in default state. any solution?
is it good for Ryzen 7 1700, even if I want to overclock it in the future?
I am thinking about this one, Colorful-ax B450M-G deluxe v14 or ASRock B450m HDV. What do you think that's better?
I liked the colorful but on some overviews they said it's hard to update the bios.
Can this mobo hold a 3700x? I found It at 220€ but now i still have the a-pro max and i don't want to risk to broken the PC
The 3700X will run perfectly fine, a very good deal at that price!
im using the b450m pro m2 max with 3600 and a gtx 1660s...it handles streaming rendering with no probs at all :3
Do u have TUF B450M-PRO? This board could be able to handle something like Ryzen 9 3900X/3950X on stock...
FlanK3rCZ ai don’t have it but I’m pretty sure it can handle a 3950X at least at default and maybe slightly overclocked
Awesome
Could you experiment a home made heatsink for vrm or is it too dangerous?
Yes you can, you can find a lot of pure copper heatsink on Amazon that have already a sticker ready for that, the only thing to be careful is to make sure that if you fix it with a strong adhesive you might risk to damage the vrms of n case you want to remove it
good evening i have the same motherboard i never upgraded the life i can get the latest version because i have the first one; will it work better? nice video and very good mother a month I have it with ryzen 3 2200 i have heard good words about 1600ff :)
Hello sir, I planned to buy a second-hand MSI B450M-A Pro Max with a Ryzen 7 1700 in it. Will it cause a thermal throttling or will it run normally?
It will run nicely 👍
@@HardwareNumb3rs Okay then, thanks sir
I have a R5 1600x, it will work propely with this board? It's a 95W 6C/12T CPU.
Please tell supported cabinet with rx 590 card with this motherboard
Hi. Very informative and well done video. I have been looking for a video like this for a long time. I am considering buying B450M PRO-VDH Max Motherboard and Ryzen 5 1600 AF CPU. I read that B450M PRO-VDH Max has better VRM heatsink than for example B450M-A PRO Max or B450M PRO-M2 Max. I would like to upgrade to ryzen 7 3700x or 3800x in a couple of years. Do you think that B450M PRO-VDH Max motherboard's VRM will handle 3rd gen Ryzen 7 CPUs? Maybe you could test this motherboard as it is also a budget micro ATX motherboard but with a little bit better VRM heatsink. I just don't want to spend more than 80 euros for a motherboard right now for 1600 AF build, but I would like to upgrade my CPU in the future. Looking forward to your reply!
Just for more information, I am planning to OC ryzen 5 1600 AF to 3.9/4.0 Ghz but not planning to OC ryzen 3700x/3800x in the future. Will it handle the OC'd 1600 AF and Non OCd ryzen 7 3rd gen?
@@Karloskarluts Yes, a 6 core overclocked will do fine, same for an 8 core like the 3700X at default, plus overclocking a Zen2 is not that useful
I have this motherboard is not so good in the process?
nice ! i have same motherbord and ryzen 1600AF
do u overclock it ? and is it stable ?
and what temperature you reach in vrm and cpu itself ?
@@moslem8656 I have the same motherboard for 3700x at 4.3Ghz 1.3V and there are no problems
@@deathfire6479 i think i should take non m version .
but what vrm temp u reach ?
Deathfire so an 8 core cpu in this motherboard is fine then?
@@danisantos3255 I have it for a few months and there were no problems
I have an r5 2600 with this motherboard with a good snowman t6 dual fan cooler, is it safe for me to go 4.2ghz@1.3v or will i destroy the vrm of this mobo? 😅
Plsss someone answer this.... i have same cpu and mobo...
How about the performance using some extra airflow on that vrm?
Yasvar is something I will definitely do in another video!
I might be wrong but I think that the air cooler helps keep the vrm temps down because they get air flow over them. By changing to a water cooler he effectively removed that air flow. Making his point invalid.
Edit: Commented before watching the hole video. So he was actually correct. I now see he performed the test again with active cooling over the vrms and the result ended up being the same
Crazy65pt You are right about air coolers, in fact at 5:28 I say exactly that, and I repeat the test with the air cooler 🙂
si solo voy a usar el xmp profile en las ram y no overclokear mi ryzen 5 3600 es viable usar esta placa madre?
Could this board support an overclocked 1700 at 3.9ghz? Thanks!
Yoo can you also test Asus Tuf B450 Pro Gaming next?
B450 VDH PRO MAX ....how many vrm phases are there for vcore please reply
Can this board handle the new Ryzen 3 3300x smoothly? Please note that I'm not going to OC, like ever.
Yes, easily, I will publish a video about that combo very soon, tonight or tomorrow
Thank you for your guides ! I have a question: Can i use Ryzen 3700x with this board or MSI b540m Pro M2 MAX but without overclocking?
Probably so. I’m using a 3900x at 4100 MHz on an MSI b450m pro vdh-max. Before this, I had a 3600x at 4400 MHz.
For a 2600x yes or no ? Its 95w so less efficient than 3rd gen
i'm using that cpu and don't have any issues
do it without worries
Good video. Can help you msi b450 a pro max best motherboard and I have Ryzen 3 2200g CPU overclock 3.9 and auto vcore voltage help overclock igpu Apu gfx 1500 1600 mhz voltage? Fps +
This is a good board for the APU, the best way to make that CPU shine is to tune the memory and slightly overclock the GPU core, around 1500MHz and 1,17 GFX/SoC
@@HardwareNumb3rs the tdp voltage will remain automatic ? auto 1.408 v max g skill ram 3000 mhz 2x8 this ram does something more or it can not because a few times I did not do much there is hope or up to 2933
@@HardwareNumb3rs @Hardware Numb3rs τhanks my friend is this b450 a pro max good? different b450m-a pro max or i have b450 a pro max the other one does not have fclk b450 a pro max i have ram aegis g skill 3000 mhz work more or no need? or to take ballistix? in the bios does not show me FCLK why? i have m70 last bios update and in the previous ones it does not show me this from below because I am up to 2933 xmp 2. I watch your videos all the time and I greet you from Greece
@@30dimos if you have an APU you don’t have the setting for the flck, that is from Zen2 and upward, for the ram if we’ll tuned 2933/3000 can be ok for the IGPU, sure 3200/3400 is better but if you are looking more gpu power is better to use that money to buy a discrete GPU
@@30dimos for the motherboard, the M is just smaller but essentially is the same
dumb question
will this motherboard handle a 1600af with full 4.2ghz oc all core with 3 120mm intake at the front and 1 exhaust at the back ?
Gloppin Boopin VRM side yes, even without the fans, clocking the 1600AF to 4200 depends on the CPU luck and cooling, and 4.2 is quite difficult with normal voltage and cooling
@@HardwareNumb3rs i'am gonna be using a 4 heat pipes tower cooler with 1 fan
Start to 3.9/4.0 with max 1,375v and try to raise the frequency, but keep the temperature under load below 84°C, probably you’ll have to lower the voltage as well to stay within the thermal limit
Hello, I have the same board with a 1600AF, and I'm having trouble even hitting 3.7 ghz. I believe the power delivery is the issue.
Sometimes is just bad luck in the silicon quality 😐
Same here dude, can’t OC it.
Do you think the MSI B450-a pro max (not the micro atx) should handle the 3950X similar to the Tomahawk Max? I ask only because it looks like the VRM section is similar. I think the Tomahawk has a bit larger heat sink but otherwise I think they are similar.
Maybe, but is a big risk, if you need a 3950X for multithreading I wouldn’t go cheap on motherboard, an entry level X470/570 is by far a better choice, driving a motherboard to the limit is risky, it may work fine for years or start a nasty troubled relationship 😁
@@HardwareNumb3rs Ok much appreciated it :) Was curious for down the road. I have the board an its got a 3600X on it which is of course no problem for it, but I thought for later if I saw a second hand chip for cheap ;)
svtcontour if you don’t need much cores you may look for a 6/8 core Zen3 as an upgrade (if the board will have the updated bios) or if you game only a 3950X won’t be better than yours, if you don’t have 3600/3733 capable ram (and do manual tuning) this will be something you should looking after to get a good performance bump 🙂
Could you do it with a b450m pro-vdh?
Great Video ;)
Can I get this motherboard with a Ryzen 5 2600 & MSI GTX1660 & CoolerMaster 500W ?
Yes, of course, you can run a 2600 easily with that board
@@HardwareNumb3rs How about 3600?
jokso22 even better, this board can handle even a 3700X
@@HardwareNumb3rs And if you want a little OC then just glue some cheap heatsinks on it right?
does it have built in wifi?
Hi, can you tell me which motherboard is better Asus Tuf B450 ProGaming or MSI B450-A Pro Max (not M ver.). Thanks.
I would go with the MSI, just make sure is a MAX series and you’ll be fine
Hey great video, In conclusion, could I buy this board to make an OC at 5 1600af at 3.6 ghz?
Yes, and even more, you should be able to OC the 1600AF to 3,9GHz with the stock cooler at around 1,2/1,25V
@@HardwareNumb3rs thanks you
Andrzej Kresimon ask anytime 👍
@@HardwareNumb3rs Following your tutorial I put my 5 1600 AF at 3 6 ghz, and 1200 v, but I did not notice an improvement in FPS performance, I tried to set it to 3.9ghz with 1300v but the computer did not start and I had problems entering the bios at I finally solved it, how could I earn more fps with this cpu?
Andrzej Kresimon with memory, Have you tuned it?
Esta placa aguenta um Ryzen 2700 tranquilamente?
Si, sin problema
Hello, so can I take it for the ryzen 1600af / 2600? its price is very attractive in my country i am going to buy it. But I'm a little worried about vrm, although in your test it only reached 65-67 °
vrm zone.
That board is very nice, I just installed a 5600X and is working perfectly
I can run my 1600AF with XMP Profile 2 @ 3600 MHz is that normal?
Alman sein Vater yes, you should be able to get to 3600 if you have good memories and the right settings
Is using a Ryzen 3 3300x with an msi b450m pro-m2 max a good idea?
I use that setup in my seco d pc, and works great.
Спасибо за материал
is the mother board mini atx? or micro atx?
Micro ATX
Is there a difference between the b450m version and b450 for a pro max
Nothing M is mini ATX
So would it easily overclock a 3100 to 4.2ghz while keeping it under 70c with an wraith prism?
I will try to do that today, and of course make a video! You will see the result soon.
how do u feel about a 2700 at stock on this board?
F!END perfectly fine, and also with an easy overclock not above 1,3/1,325V
@@HardwareNumb3rs thanks a lot!!!
ryzen 3600 can?
Sure, without any issues, I’m benchmarking it right now, will make a video soon!
@@HardwareNumb3rs Have you done the video yet?
Verdrehte Seele no 😅 got caught in other things but I tested that board even with the 3800X and it was doing just perfect, I also tested the 3600 and 3600XT, that board is strong 😁 I will publish various benchmarks for games and apps with many CPUs including the 3600
I've always been concerned about the fact that the board has no heatsink over the VRMs... I have a Ryzen 5 3600 and 16GB of 3200MHz Ram, I'll be doing some video editing (nothing crazy, 1080p is enough good to me) do you think it will hold up well or do I have to engineer some kind of heatsink to throw in there before doing any kind of demanding task?
With a 3600 you are more than ok, so don’t worry and enjoy wiit Pc 🙂
@@HardwareNumb3rs Nice, thanks and nice video 👌
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how many fan headers?
It should be 2, CPU and Chassis
This or MSI B450M Mortar Max?
The Mortar is way better IMO.
The Mortar is definitely better in everything.
Yes, the Mortar is much better, more features and bigger vrm section
@@HardwareNumb3rs do you have a test video for mortar max?
From amd house Pakistan can you help plz
where r u from? I love your accent
Italian? :)